Psychiatrist Hurt by Drugs He Once Prescribed Now Challenges the Whole Profession
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- Опубліковано 14 лют 2024
- Today I interview Mark Horowitz, a psychiatrist hurt by the drugs he once prescribed now challenges the whole profession.
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They flat out lie right to your face when they say SSRI and other medications are not addictive.
And you need 300 boosters too. Don't forget that
and "this is a baby dose" "oh and those start up symptoms are normal" whole time im having a reaction to the srri"s
@nouchthom9546 I had akathisia. the shrink raised my dose. I told her my legs were kicking and flailing at night when I goto bed. omg it only went away when my brain down regulated. at which point I had a level of pssd while on the meds
Please define how you are using the word "addiction"
not addictive, but the cold turkey is straight from hell, thats for sure. it took me two whole years to wean ssri out.
The insidious thing about psychiatry is that you have to take medicatiion for life and when you defy and stop on your own and your symptoms worsen- psychiatry gaslights you, threatens you with court ordered indefinite committment and brands you a difficult patient with persistent chronic mental illness. Fortunately, I fought the system and I won. 7 years free, still not "normal", but definitely ALIVE.
Court ordered commitment? What country is doing this , May I ask ?
@@Zaan1028 I live in USA. Each state has different laws, but many will commit you to institutionalized care under a court order if you do not comply with a psychiatrist's determination that you need medication AND pose a danger to yourself or others. However, the medical professional's testimony on danger is always accepted over the patient's so a court commitment is approved nearly 100% when mental health authorities seek one. The state I experienced this in was Vermont
Try carnivore diet!
@@paulasamec8715Yes! Eat the psychiatrist!!!
@@tamedshrew235 its almost unbelievable unless somebody experienced this business himself. gotta admit that psychiatry is that shadiest business since the moment that it’s not studied in a college nor graduate school, that nobody “normal”even knows a substantial thing about it until that pill is put in his mouth. 12years of training to become a psychiatrist but 9 years of them is for becoming a businessman/chef and premed , only 3 years of psychiatric training, and yet these 3 years n the “academic studies”has completely evaded the public eyes.
I will never see a psychiatrist again. Pills, pills, pills and. If you don’t want to take them you are a “ difficult patient”
I agree with you
Or non-compliant, that’s what I was told.
Why else would you see a psychiatrist?
I will never forget a UA-camr talking about how their psychiatrist gave them, a person with a serious near life threatening alcoholism, one of those graphic shirts that made the debilitating effects of alcoholism out to be this quirky silly fun thing via a cutesy rhyme. I was aghast and yet I don't even doubt it happened.
Or "non-compliant."
My doctor did everything he could to dissuade me from getting off SSRI and then actually sabotaged me when he tapered me too quickly. When the taper failed he told me “I told you so”. I have lost complete trust in the medical society
I had cancer and they told me it was a chemical imbalance. It was a slow growing cancer but when it changes it becomes aggressive. The medical docs agree I was mentally imbalanced. A chiropractor did and x-ray for a minor back issue and found it. THEN my docs decided they found I had cancer. I was lucky and healed. I have zero respect for people who "practice" medicine on me.
Same here. Took me 5 yrs to stablize. The permanent damage is obvious. The emotional agony and physical symtoms are immense. It is not imagniation. The suffering is physiological. It is torture and they do it with bliss.
@@user-wo4xz6ri4s yes dear you are right. I felt it. This is crime against humanity. I m on ssri and what not. This is something else entirely. I doubt the whole community of these cowards idiots how lie to all those people who want help but guess what they're getting pain in mind body and soul and these so called doctors who prescribe these poisons live like king and how they are doing it I can tell its at the cost of our lives imean thier patients. I m so much frustrated by utter lies again and again that I can get to put these meds in thier body and the ask hey doc now tell me how do u feel ? Better or not. Ohh I think we should include another add on medicine for more benefits AND THOSE BENEFITS WILLL NEVER COME. 😤😤😡😡😠🤬😈
You mean you actually had trust in the first place ?? You are nothing but a cash cow to the medical ( so called) profession !!
Many psychiatrists are just drug dealers and they keep you coming back and making income on you out of pocket or from insurance. Psychiatrists make a lot of money billing
The whole psychiatric industry is a disgrace. Shame on all who are complicit
It is a mess. I was allowed a chat with a grief counsellor for free after a friend suicided and guess what ... the grief counsellor said I could have a session with a shrink... guess what that would have led to: MEDS... So the free chat was just a scam, a gateway to psych meds.
Wait til you realize it's the entire Harmacology and allopathic industry.
Even aspirin has killed millions.
Watch Dr Amen. He said doctors look at the body to make decisions on care, except psychiatry and psychology, they just talk to you. Dr Amen does brain scans. He said his nephew started getting afressivr and thought he might become a school shooter. Did a brain scan and saw he had a tumor. If he went to a psychiatrist or psychologist they wouldn’t do a brain scan, just talk to him or put him on meds. The whole industry needs to be overhauled
I swear nurse Rachette was once my doctor. I could totally see her running one of those 1950's insane asylums where the staff had more problems than the patients. I can picture her gleefully administering electroshock from a wall socket without anesthesia, or ice-picking a kid's frontal lobe for touching himself. But fortunately most were good people, with strong ethics and pure motives. Some of those unfortunately were also victims of some of big pharma's marketing departments. Kind of like some doctors actually believed drug reps who pushed Oxycontin for skinned knees. The rest though were bright enough to see through the crap and made a good faith effort to help me and actually did help. Similar to drugs, some are awful quack cures that do more harm than good, others do help, at least a little. And nothing comes without a cost, side effects, addiction and etc. Some conditions are worth the cost. I say that after having been through withdrawal identical to what the doctor described, and what I think can be called torture at the hands of Rachette. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, not even if it is a red headed stepchild.
I know ten year old children who are diagnosed with three disorders at the same time: schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder AND bipolar disorder. They are on five, even six medications, including anti-psychotics. It is appalling. As far as I'm concerned, psychiatry is evil and most psychiatrist are mean, ignorant people who love to label and pathologize everything. Freud never intended to have two separate treatments in his field of study. Psychiatry is a useless appendage that needs to be cut off.
I listened to a foreign doctor who lives in this country and who relayed that he would never seek medical treatments in this country as you get medicalized into a system of treatments and drugs that he felt harmful. I believe him.
That is an important observation. A friend of mine was told by her doctor Stay out the System; he worried about the meds and how it may draw people back in as the med may have a side affect and this often leads to trying other meds and it goes round and round from what I have seen; my pal was kind of linked to his doc and social worker who had a big role in his life and he never improved, other than what time may do; I would not credit the meds with his improvement as I saw so many adverse reactions.
You’re smart. The person that gave you a thumbs down is probably a doctor. “LOL” 😂😂
good to hear you. i was reluctant to admit th i can not trust this recent administrators, called 'doktors'. I strust my health.... ❤
I have heard from people in the medical field that doctors are the way they are because patients don't listen and just want pills rather than lifestyle changes to fix problems even simple things changing dressing on wounds, staying hydrated and avoiding processed foods patients neglect. So I'm not sure who is to blame, I think people have bought into a lie and expect more from medicine and pharmaceuticals than they are able to provide. Our health is our own hands, and I think most people can't handle that.
A lot of the drug addicts on the street started with prescribed drugs. Specially pain medication.
I was forced to take these drugs for my entire childhood, along with stimulants and antipsychotics. By the time I was 18 I had been declared unfit to take care of myself by the state and was fat, severely depressed, psychotic, and frequently in the mental hospital. Shortly thereafter I decided to defy my parents and stop taking medication. Within a few months my mental and physical state improved vastly. Over the past two years I've transformed into someone who's independent, getting good grades at uni (I was so disabled as a child that I couldn't attend middle or high school), physically fit, and decently content.
The psychiatric industry is mostly a scam which only exists to create justification for its continued existence. By harming people with drugs as an excuse to give them more overpriced "services".
So glad you got out of the mill. A true survivor! Absolutely criminal, what happening to the children.
@@freebird7017 Thanks! I wish there were a way that I could help other people who are suffering in similar situations. But I think that change can only come systemically or on a personal basis like in my case.
You made it out alive. A true warrior. God bless you 🙏
No question about it! Glad you're doing much better!
I hope you’re doing well and I wish you blessings upon blessings 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thank you for your honesty. Psychiatric drugs destroyed my life. I was put on the because no one believed I was sexually assaulted as a kid by a Police Officer who was my scout leader. 4 decades of "therapy" and 23 years of poisons, it turns out that the best mental health professional is a good attorney. I joined the case against the Boy Scouts and found that 82,208 other people had uncannily similar experiences.
I am so sorry you endured such abuse in the “system” even after your horrible attack. I always prefer using the word “attack” as assault softens what actually happens! Yes in addition to a good attorney, many find a real caring listening true FRIEND who is not being PAID is afar better counsellor anyway. God bless you in your recovery.
They really think a pill can erase years of abuse. It's comical.
I'm glad you found a way to help yourself. ❤
Thank you!!!!! Truth!!!!!
I had my own horrific experience of trying to get off horrible psych drug….it was. Before we had Fb groups and UA-cam. This drug was so evil that people had to remove one pellet in the capsule a time. This created horrible life for many. Disgusting
I'm sorry that happened to you. I can't imagine how gnarly. You're strong. I'm glad you're being helped. Can't believe the sickos earth produces.
Anyway, talk therapy can never get to the root. Try something that actually can help -- and will. Try hypnotherapy -- with an excellent clinician. You may even be surprised to learn that your problems didn't start there. Hypnotherapy not only works but is short-term therapy, less than 10 sessions.
You can wait until after your settlement, or do it before, but either way I want you to promise me you will at least try it. It's common to travel just for sessions with an expert.
Peace to you my friend. Things are going to work out. You're going to have a fresh new start. All those old emotions and feelings. You don't need them anymore. You just need a secure situation to process them out for good. Erase the paradox.
This is a society of denial.. sadly there is abuse in many institutions as well.. oddly people look the other way..so glad you got the right attorney.. often this is much mire helpful as you were nit the problem.
Imagine having a trusting relationship between professional and patient, and the highly trained professional never recognizing what is really going on until he actually take the drugs himself... WOW!
I am amazed that a doctor would take so many drugs at same time. I do believe big pharma gets approval on manufacturing before there has been enough research.
Doctors are trained to give out drugs and believe the narrative. Many doctors really believed that giving covid jab was safe and effective.
Yea been seeing it for decades. Many Dr's would never do half the things they have to tell their patients to do. They must follow the script and protocol in most cases. Their not allowed by the establishment to recommend an alternative cure. Same goes for chemo and shot
@@jodestella2746off course as they did with the Jib jab
Pretty sure this is the norm, actually.
Children need to be protected from these drugs! Of course adults need to be protected as well, but children are being hurt without their consent.
And also as soon as they turn 18!!!!! I don't know how any "doctor" could do this to anyone....
It's unconscionable.
@@leavethemkidsalone860 they arent doctors in the sense they heal you. They are doctors in the sense they prescribe so they can take insurance dollars
They force parents by threatening to take your children or drugs are being used to harm the children.
No recourse.
Ruining lives because they are bullies and evil.
@@gettingofflexapro7546 it is medical malpractice IMO, and as soon as considered "adult". Not sure of motivation, trying to keep a patient captive? Seemed very intentional.
It is so refreshing (and rare) to see a doctor who is actually more concerned with helping people than protecting their own ego and the status quo.
this comment fits so good for me. there was this TV report in Portugal about PSSD. It created a caos here (social media, speeches, press releases, maybe court lawsuits will come)
but for the wrong reason. No doctor spoke about the victims and their suffering or how they could help. All of them demolish the journalist because she said GP's haven't knowledge enough to precribe SSRI's and their ego was attaked. I never thougth a person that study like 10 years can lack basic human capacities and put his effort in ego protection and not help people that are in need
To paraphrase Monty Python: there's nothing wrong with you an expensive treatment can't complicate.
Monty has it!
The quote "there's nothing wrong with you that an expensive operation can't prolong."
@@the_expidition427It's complicate not prolong
Exactly
Fancy seeing you here. Gtsy. Monty Python is the best
Dr. Mark Horowitz is brilliant and brave for calling out and speaking out against the lies and corruption surrounding the psychiatric industry and big pharma. Thank you Dr. W-D for using your platform to share Mark's experience and wisdom.
They've literally been getting away with destroying peoples' lives for decades. Read Dr. Chris Palmer's book, "Brain Energy"
Lies and deception is widespread in our world, especially in health care, politics, and religions(not including Our Saviour).
I recommend that people read "The Poisoned Needle" by Dr Eleanor MacBean(1957).
Humanity is in jeopardy!!
Only a doctor who has used their prescription meds is able to testify how horrible and harmful their Rx drugs are. Don't trust a doc who is not taking/testing his stuff on himself.....
I have never been to a psychiatrist and have never used any antidepressants. I aim to keep it that way. I have very little trust for the medical establishment these days.
So true what do you use
And if you were to go to a psychiatrist you would be diagnosed and given a drug because that is all they are trained to do.
Honestly, during my time, psychiatry was not even a thing. Neither my parents nor my grandparents nor their ancestors ever saw a psychiatrist but they were fine.
The saddest thing is that Psychologists exist, but they have the inverse problem that Psychiatrists have. While a Psychiatrist thinks that the only thing that can solve issues is meds (since that's what they've been trained to do), a Psychologist will think the opposite in that anything except meds will do the trick.
That said, I imagine a lot of us wouldn't need either of them if we weren't getting to late stage capitalism.
Unless you absolutely need it I agree to stay away from that stuff. I got put on anti depressants by my primary care provider for shortness of breath. And I only took one pill but that was the worst 24 hours of my life. I am probably more sensitive to the pills then others but from my experience it made my emotions fluctuate so much. Just a roller coaster of emotions. I went from a complete lack of any feeling, which was terrifying in of itself, to feeling intense anger to feeling incredible sadness and crying uncontrollably.
I quit Zoloft - it didn't put me in a better mood - just "another" mood. While I was in the doctor's office waiting room, a Zoloft rep came in. I asked him how to get off Zoloft - "uh, gee, I don't know..." On that visit, the doctor said he wanted to give me a "little cocktail" and combine 2 different anti-depressant drugs! As it was I could barely hold my head up, I was leaning my head on the wall. I said, "YOU take them" and left.
Instead of going cold turkey, I started taking my dose every other day, and then halved the dose and took every other day until they were gone. I amped up on Vit B 100's, zinc.
How did your withdrawal go?
@@SuperWhitedj Simply didn't have withdrawal - I was fine - do research on vitamins - zinc really helped me and I didn't know it helped depression, I was taking it to stave off any virus to get through the Covid thing since I refused the jab. One day I realized I wasn't as manic as I used to be and zinc was in my arsenal. I looked it up and it's good for a lot of things. I take several things for memory and they also help with depression. Berberine for sure. Oh, and I gleefully drink beer again...
@@SuperWhitedj I left a full reply and now it is missing - bottomline - no withdrawal
This is such an important interview. The most eye-opening for me since listening to Peter Gøtzsche on the subject of seriously flawed research used to justify mental health meds.
So how are your days going? I recently went back on Sertilene, wanted to know how Vit B, and zinc is going? Hope all is well.
I learned when I was depressed because of dealing with a difficult life situation that psychiatrists are nothing more than pill pushers.
And for that matter, no one will help you. Help yourself and have the expectation to be your own hero.
So talk to a licensed COUNSELOR- problem solved. They can't push drugs.
@@UTAH100 true
SSRIs are the equivalent of a chemical labotomy.
can b
I honestly don’t believe that we will see humane practices in my lifetime.Its unfortunate, truly. I just keep praying for more men like u guys to keep blowing the whistle.
Third world countries have excellent care in their facilities - I've heard for years about Americans vacationing in other countries while having surgeries there. You're treated with respect. One woman was telling me she delivered on vacation south of the border - don't remember which country - she said when she woke up after surgery that the room was dimmed, like candlelight, and it was really quiet. The nurse showed up and said she just stepped out for a minute for a break and she didn't want to wake her up. Now, Compare that to Any Hospital in the U.S. ... Bright lights, constant noise/chaos 24/7, can't sleep, food sucks, woke up every 2 hours for something ... That's what Americans get ...
We have to take charge of our own health by changing our lifestyle and diets. 😮🎉
Not until we outlaw narcissism
My elderly mom had been on wellbutrin for years (started when the last of the kids moved out of the house and "empty nest syndrome" was coined and pathologised). She also took blood pressure meds to control the hypertension caused by wellbutrin. She was weaned off the wellbutrin slowly decades later. Her blood pressure meds were also discontinued and her BP normalised. But she had trouble sleeping (likely continued withdrawals, in hindsight). Her doctor put her on clonazepam, which didn't help with sleep, and she became paranoid to the point requiring hospitalisation. The consulting psychiatrist gave Lexapro and Zyprexa, and my mom became psychotic.
My mom lives at home now, but requires a caregiver for everyday tasks. I don't trust any antidepressants or anti anxiety medication, or those who prescribe them. It's an industry that cares more about profits than people.
So, so sorry about your Mom. What they do to the elderly is criminal. My Mom had some anxiety and the GP put her on a mixture of SSRIs - can’t remember the names but know that one was a benzo. When I visited (live in a different country) I couldn’t believe how sickly she had become and how many problems she had. I researched the meds and told her doc she has to come off them. Didn’t want to help her but I insisted. It took 8 months - she’d “only “ been on them for about 2 years - then when I was back overseas, my Mom went to the GP again because of problems sleeping. Lo and behold, she once again prescribed some psycho-pharmaceuticals! Fortunately, I found out almost immediately and stopped my Mom from taking them. Now, two years later and at age 90, she is healthy and vital again - some damage remains - but she is so thankful I insisted she get off them! She says she’ll never touch them again.
Unfortunately, I never had the same influence on my MIL, who in one year has become bedridden, hardly knows she’s alive. 😢. I hate these destroyers of lives. Even more egregious is getting children on these things. Absolutely criminal.
This is a sin. My late veteran pal in excellent shape; could still walk twenty km; underwent dreadful episodes with anti depressants as did a girl in town, in training for the Olympics as a long distance runner and a PhD student at university and what both of them went through was indescribable; highly over excited and people blamed THEM for misbehaviour. What is worse, they blamed themselves; I wish I could have done more for them but at the time I had limited understanding of just how risky these anti depressants may be. I emailed an American doc I had met years ago and asked if their great physical fitness could have influenced how they processed the anti depressants and he said yes it could.
wellbutrin gave me extreme anxiety, akasthesia, and seizures. instead of taking me off of it, the doctor just added an anti-seizure medication. I took myself off both of them within two weeks of being put on them.
@@lunasinger8702 I'm so sorry that happened to you. I pray you are in good physical and mental health now.
And they hide sociopathy behind "feduciary duty"
I have zero trust. Took my kid in for a cough and they prescribed a black box medication that warms of possible psychosis. It’s unreal.
Give your child sodium ascorbate every hour or so when they have a cough, make sure to drink enough water though. About 1/4 teaspoon a few times a day (about every hour), if it’s the NutriBiotic brand. Research Dr. Suzanne Humphries, she speaks about high dose vit C. To calculate dosage, divide child’s weight in pounds by 2.2, then multiply by 375. This is the total number of mg one should take during waking hours each day, divided into frequent dosages.
For example, there is 1112 mg of vitamin C in 1/4 tsp (one dose) of Nutribiotic sodium ascorbate. For a child who weighs 40 lbs, the dosage would be about six 1/4 tsp doses throughout the day. This can be divided into smaller, more frequent doses if needed.
Talking your kid to a doctor for a cough, probably says a lot about your health anxiety.
Drug warnings aren’t even accurate a lot of the time, they just have to label any possible risk in case of a lawsuit. Also must’ve been a bad cough if you’re taking him in
People are so uniformed these days that they don’t know that there are weeds that grow in their backyard or in the woods to cure anything. They’re shocked to learn that you can smoke a weed like mullein and it will clear out congested lungs with persistent bronchitis and even help with asthma. The information is out there, take the time to investigate. Your health is worth it.
@@KJ-lb4tjIf it is severe and persistent? You blame the victim??
COST ME PROBABLY $200,000.00+AND 40 YEARS OF MY LIFE. I NEVER HAD A LIFE BECAUSE OF SHRINKS AND THEIR LIES AND NEGLIGENCE. "DO NO HARM." WHAT A JOKE!.
Sorry to hear you've wasted so many decades too! Have you heard of the genome test they can do to figure out what would work best for you? Also, it should be a crime that ppl aren't given this test first, before they're sent home with a drug that could possibly cause them to go into a deeper depression. And the drug companies should be paying for this test, I mean don't they all have your best interest at heart, (coughing 'BS' into my hand). Hope your doing better! Sending you love, prayers and blessing❤!
We've ALL been Harmed by "The Hippocratic Joke" aka Hippocratic Oath! I worked on med mal cases for years and always wondered why we had so much med mal in the U.S. When I learned the truth about circumcisions, That's When I Changed it to: Hippocratic Joke! Then I realized many others called it that, too - horrible ... You'll never catch me in a hopt - Ever! No Way, Jose! NO TRUST!
Soo Sorry.. God Bless you! ! 🙏🏻
They started me on Ritalin for ADHD when I was 13. Within a year, I had been hospitalized twice and had a diagnosis of bipolar disorder, which then turned into a schizophrenia diagnosis, and I was on Thorazine and a long list of other heavy antipsychotics, got hospitalized several times before, at 16, I refused to take any more medications, was made a ward of the state, went through several months of youth detention and then a year of the Vision Quest program. Been on my own ever since, and the first 20 years of that was severe alcoholism, which was brought on by the ritalin, which made me an insomniac. Psychiatry robbed me of half of my lifetime.
@@ShortysWorld4Ever-vq7szIt doesn't seem like you're getting the message. These drugs are incredibly harmful and damaging.
Are you a psychiatrist, or do you work for a pharmaceutical company?
I took Cymbalta for chronic pain (it did NOT work). I was weaned/tapered off of it after one year. The Cymbalta withdrawal syndrome was absolutely psychotic. The physical symptoms were crazy. I was an RN with a toddler, but could not function. I couldn't work or drive for months.
@@user-el2yx7xx1wI am shocked that your post is indecipherable. Shape up.
I had a similar experience with cymbalta withdrawal. I couldn’t work for the better part of a year. Im still recovering.
Hi, I too take Cymbalta & have tried twice to stop. It was never explained to me by the doctor. I have saved several ppl from getting started on this medication. The doctor tried to prescribe to my daughter at 17 for migraines
@@keciavasconez3736 in my opinion, you are helping a lot of people by discouraging them from taking it. There are so many psych drugs out there, best to try others before trying cymbalta. Don’t beat yourself up if you can’t quit. I hope things improve for you.
I’ve been on and off cymbalta for about 3 years, like 9 months on and 3 months off.
This is for chronic back pain. I’ve had no trouble at all either when starting or tapering off and the drug has really helped with my pain.
This time I started last May and will hopefully taper off next time I visit my doctor at the end of March.
Been great for me
There is an awful lot of gaslighting around drug side effects and withdrawal. Not just in psychotropic drugs either.
Oh yes... definitely. There are warnings with statins- don't eat grapefruit. What they don't say is that's because grapefruit does the same thing!
@leavethemkidsalone860 statins will kill people causes stiff muscles
Truth. Lyrica is horrible. Some people don’t have a problem with it but i can be horrible.
@@thefarmerswifeknits6190 are there any alternatives for someone with no choice? Someone I know is being switched to gabapentin because of cost. Has to have something for a major nerve issue.
Any iatrogenic injury, really.
I hope the public wakes up one day. I get told nasty things simply for stating facts about these medications
Me too. I'm all about food as medicine and people think I'm the crazy one. 🤦♀️
@@flipdiva0007 food exercise and community, humans have done it for thousands of years and no the drugs can fix it all
@99 Don't shut up. Keep talking. You are good for speaking up. You will help someone one day.🙏
@@flipdiva0007 Please keep talking. Yes, I agree. FOOD IS medicine. They can think what they think...I don't care. Blessings to you.
Me too and I’m walking evidence that if you keep taking them for years they really fuck you up. Taken multiple courses of antidepressants over a period of 30 years plus and am eventually onto antipsychotics and I honestly believe the drugs have only gotten stronger to cover up the damage the previous lot caused. I experience the memory and cognition problems that this psychiatrist describes and this has come on from the shitty meds but I can’t get the psychiatrists to listen to me and withdraw from their poisons
Watching this while I'm suffering from psychiatric medication withdrawal :) 9 months and 10 days off klonopin
God Bless you. I can relate. That is a powerful narcotic classed drug in the US. You can do it. My experience was both a psychological and physiological 'addiction' from years of taking it by prescription. It took me several months, tapering down. Don't go back to it, unless your life depends on it, which is very unlikely. Prayers for you!
Benzo withdrawal can cause seizures and death in some cases good luck to you.
@user-zo6di3by5t geez you are encouraging
I won't go back now because of everything that I've learned from the internet haha. In the past, I went back on like 3 times cause my doctors/psychiatrists would say it's not withdrawal and it's my original symptoms lol. Bunch of stupid ppl. Ruined my life. Thanks for the prayers!@@jackjones3657
been there , sending you love and light , and a long window 💓💓
A large percentage of people on antidepressants that have 'no issues' actually do have serious issues but are numb to them. Lacking the emotion needed to realise that they are under. Literally having forgotten what it was like to feel human. They all go under the radar.
My sister acts odd, numb, zombie like, it’s very sad.
@@RationalNon-conformist sorry to hear that. I was similar for years
I was on an SSRI while my grandmother was dying. When asked if I wanted to say goodbye, I felt nothing and Said I would stay on the couch where I was and nap. WTF
@@Baptized_in_Fire. I understand that.
I specifically asked the doctor when they first put me on AD's if they were addictive, not knowing then that dependency and addiction are 2 different things. Fifteen years later, I tried to come off as the doctor instructed, cutting the dose in half over several months. That didn't work, and I reinstated, then found the surviving antidepressants site. I finished my taper the proper way, but my nervous system had already been shaken up. Six and a half years later, I'm dealing with protracted withdrawal, although it is getting better very slowly. I've been off Lexapro for 18 months. Will never touch these again.
Try some 72-96h fasts. It can regenerate neurons and reset your chemistry and hormones.
I've been recovering from things for a while and now that I can handle it even eating less or stopping earlier in the evening and sleeping as long as I need to seems to really reset my mood and mind and everything. The eating home made stew and just really good quality food - not fasting too much all the time. There's a lot of work with polyvagal theory and retraining your nervous system that can help once you have some control for chronic illness but im not sure for withdrawal. It seems like it might be helpful. But I have no idea except for my own story of recovery.
Oh dear, I too believe AD's are addictive. Managed to wean myself off them but panic attacks with agoraphobia returned recently, so back on Lexapro again! What to do!??
Thank you Mark. Critical voices from within the field are all too rare. It really appears you have to go thru the harm to believe it.
Yes, if you have to been through it you just don’t know how broken the brain can be
@@i.ehrenfest349b12 deficiency low magnesium low sodium high pottassium low thiamine etc etc causes mental health also medications cause electrolytes inbalances and mineral inbalances low magnesium causes high blood sugars metforim causes b12 deficiency anerexia serious mental health equals vitimins and electrolytes inbalances minerals inbalances shrinks don't take yoyr bloods drs secret gut problems intestines problems effect adrenal glands equals endocrine system hormones neurotransmitters benign pituartry effects adrenal glands high cortisol is thru adrenal glands drs shrinks are well in with big pharma low vit d also cause mental health low vit d is associated with schizophrenia
Same with DEA officers, central bankers... It is only vital to constantly challenge the "estabilishment". Unfortunately, few people are able to change habits once they realize the system they rely on is fundamentally broken in some way - it's understandable but morally questionable - it's too comfortable to live under the wings of a dragon and challenging it can mean losing "career" and living standards for these people. Just look how many people stay in job that they hate only to have a monthly pay...
SSRIs for years have made many people “numb” and “feeling like cannot function” yet most doctors will prescribe lexipro as first line over and over for past 20 years. It’s so frustrating and disheartening as a counselor 😢and I have felt helpless against it. Thank you so much for your wisdom and understanding of this and speaking out. It will help millions. ❤
you are one of few
Yes, I have been to so many counselors that when they get stumped just say “Well why don’t you take medication?”
@@user-hb6ti4ie2o are they over weight and do they exercise much?
@curiousbystander9193 the counselors?
@@user-hb6ti4ie2o yes.... most are out of shape and think they eat well, but don't.... they serve as insurance co paid consultants to other entities, most often...convincing folks these are lifelong, genetic conditions.
When asked if I have allergies I write "SSRIs". Antidepressants did nothing but harm.
Brilliant. I am going to start using this tactic in case I'm in a situation where I can't make a decision for myself.
That's cleaver😄
Drove me nuts. Kept me awake for 3 weeks straight. Got me diagnosed as SMI instead of just depressed. Because "that pill never has that effect on anyone."
Put on 3 drugs permanently instead of 1, including more SSRIs.
@@RachelNichols-writer SMI indicates possible bipolar. People with bipolar on SSRIs can be triggered into mania. It happened to me (more than once - not pretty). I'm not your doctor, obviously....just be careful. Everyone is different and everyone reacts differently to medication. I try to live by my PCPs mantra (he's retired now after 25 amazing years) Less is more. He kept me me from getting on opioids during the craze, and for that I'm forever indebted.
You know your brain and body best. Be your best advocate. If what you're taking is working - stick with it, if not, keep working at it until you find the cocktail for you. 🥰
And Benzo
Brilliant interview, I’m a GP who knows another mental health professional with a similar tragic tale. This should be compulsory watching for all medical students - has sent to my two daughters who are studying medicine currently.
Knowing how many people are on these drugs and how young they were when they started is horrifying
I refused to accept my diagnosis. I feel so much better off than on any drug. I exercise and eat very well & do take lots of vitamins. When I came off for good, I used St. John’s Whort and believed it was as good as the Prozac. I also love being retired! I give God all the glory for my peace and sanity! ❤
Fix your gut and you will be happy- serotonin is made there. Eat Kimchi and avoid things that hurt it. NEVER, EVER use mouthwash. And good for you!
I get that but St. John’s worth is still a drug I mean all things are even sugar is so who’s to say that Prozac is evil and saying what John’s worth is good and it’s not as natural natural you know tomatoes are natural and if you eat a lot of them you could die so
Irving Kirsch, a Harvard psychologist and leading researcher in the field of placebo studies, pointed out fifteen years ago in his book The Emperor's New Drugs that SSRI antidepressants were no better than placebo. Subsequent studies and meta analysis have only confirmed this. Moreover, any marginal benefits claimed for SSRIs are more than canceled by side effects and the hell of discontinuing the drugs.
Aren't these the drugs that actually CAUSE a lot more depression and violence in people taking them? Aren't they the ones that many mass shooters in the US are on? Yet that info is almost NEVER mentioned.
It always struck me that if antidepressants treated depression the same way that antibiotics treated bacterial infections, they'd have a street value. Benzodiazepines have a street value, because they have effects that people desire. I think they give SSRIs just for the sake of giving something when they don't know what else to do. In any case, addiction without even so much as euphoria or relief is perverse, and I think that people experiencing the side effects of the medicine concurrent with any fluctuations of their depression tend to misattribute their recovery to the medicine as a result.
Paxil is poison
@@maryfreebed9886 Your example doesn't make sense, because antibiotics aren't a street drug despite working? All that something being a street drug means is that it's recreational and hard to get. SSRIs would be MORE addictive if they caused euphoria. Benzos are more risky than SSRIs.
A friend of mine was on Lithium for years after a psychose. He was told he had to keep on them, or else he would certainly get another psychose. He got a Lithium poisoning, determined much to late in spite of the symptoms, and lost his kidneys. He had to stop with Lithium, and got no replacement. He never had another psychose.
I've never heard of anyone being prescribed lithium for anything other than bipolar disorder, and even then, it's considered a very dangerous drug because it can cause so much harm, so people taking it are supposed to get their blood levels checked regularly to maintain the dose in the narrow range between therapeutic and poison. I'm not a doctor, but it seems like malpractice to prescribe lithium after a psychotic episode and then tell someone they have to stay on it.
@@JakeHambyZ80 This was a typical case of malpractice. Apart from the Lithium, he prescribed some SSRI (one apparently wasn't enough) and Xanax, among some more stuff I don't remember. My friend took everything for years.
@harrynac6017 I see that happen to Veteran's all the time. Major cocktails. It's so sad.
@@JakeHambyZ80My friend was prescribed Lithium due to being misdiagnosed. He had PTSD as a child but they treated him for bipolar disorder which he didn’t have. He is now a shell of himself. A former captain of the football team, high school homecoming king, graduated from an Ivy League college, became a lawyer, got married, then lost it all including getting divorce papers served. Plus he developed neuropathy. He is emotionally stunted, cannot socialize well, misses social cues during conversations, and lives alone on $1300 a month of social security income. It is difficult having a normal conversation with him without him getting irate and start shouting about things going wrong with the world. He knows what happened to him but can do nothing about it. The lithium changed his brain and made him act bipolar. Ruined his health as well.
Apparently it's a common practice to prescribe few ssris with xanax. Also sometimes they classify you as bipolar if you have a depressive episode and you say or they somehow get that you've had a similar experience in the past.
Dr. Peter Breggin has been screaming under water for decades .
And he has been persecuted for it.
My idol . I love Peter and ginger. Yes his been screaming for decades
He's a true professional. Compassionate, humane, and highly intelligent.
I credit Dr. Breggin and his wife for saving the life of my veteran friend who had an adverse reaction to his meds... very severe; up all night ... if people have not seen this they can be callous and are rude to a person in this kind of state. Having read Breggin I had some idea of what ws going on and was able to help him; he said later I had saved his life; tried to keep him calm ... A girl athlete in town also had a reaction to the same anti depressant that caused a crisis for my friend; she was i training for the Olympics; excellent athlete and was getting her doctorate at the university; it is no exaggeration that her reaction to the anti depressant she was prescribed was life threatening; i was there; saw it. I emailed an american doctor to ask if a persons condition (both were super athletic) may influence how they process a med and he said Yes that can make a difference. So in their case they should have been started maybe with a lower dose... or been under observation in hospital when a drug is being started or a dosage change. @@becknireckn
Robert Willner Injects |-|l\/ into himself.
I developed QT prolongation after 20 years on citalopram (celexa), and had to discontinue the drug without a taper. It was 6-8 weeks of hell, my blood pressure tanked to 80/60 for several weeks, extreme dizziness, unable to sleep, and my brain was vibrating in my skull. Thank you for this interview, I thought I was the only one, no one seemed to know what I was talking about.
You have no idea if the drug caused that
It’s a well known documented potential side effect, so maybe you need to do more research
It’s a legit side effect. But nice try to gaslight the posted, Jerk.
I believe it caused you to be ill ,it took me 1 year of hell .
Did your blood pressure is stable now? out of lexapro and my bp tanked same at 80/60
I would also suggest in increasing vitamin d, magnesium, and B vitamins to help.
This. I would also add that a proper re-mineralization (e.g. Quinton marine plasma) does wonders for a plethora of mental issues. My very own experience.
Yes I have found out my daughter has mutations of two mthfr genes. It’s causes a methylation problem with 2 B vitamins and needs a more usable form of another B. Everyone in my family take B9 methyl folate B12 methylcobalimin, B6 P5P. Also take B2, magnesium, and D3 with K2. You need all for maximum use if the B vitamins. We are seeing improvements in our anxiety and depression after a couple of months. 42 % Ashkenazi Jewish people have the mthfr gene mutation that causes many health issues. Depression, anxiety, bipolar etc. research it yourself.
how do you even know those are real?
Also you can try omega 3.
Most ppl are deficient in those 3 in the West. Easier to take a pill than to just eat meat for some I guess, but as long as they start getting what they're missing, good
I got on my current antidepressant because I was going through withdrawals from coming off of a previous antidepressant. Of course I didn’t know it was withdrawals at the time. I just thought I was broken.
I hear you the exact same thing happened to me and I’m sure ours is a common story 😢
@@user-cl7yt1vd4n sadly, I feel like our stories are all too common these days and especially the days ahead.
I have literally just realised this now. Shit. Now I have to do it again.
Did you start shaking yet? Look into TD. It's no joke. I would not take that stuff- ever.
@@tammyiswickeddo it slower this time!!❤
I'm so sorry for everyone who's been hurt by the drug's psychiatrist prescribe. ❤
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PSSD is real this is not just a sexual problem, this is life in hell Total anhedonia and no emotions
indeed it is not just a sexual issue, even if disability of such a fundamental function isn't a serious concern to begin with
The symptoms reflect serious systemic injuries.
It is appalling how little the industry cares.
@@toolthoughts it's reminiscent of the symptoms of traumatic brain injury.
Recently I've started acupuncture of the muscles on the back of the head (occipital muscles etc) and it helps. I think you can get tension from the drugs which cause impaired nerves and blood flow which affects all kinds of functions. Try it! That and fasting.
Yes I had it, or maybe still have some lingering elements of it. I was at the point where I couldn't feel pain. I was being hit with doses of lexapro over 40mg when I took into generic and pantoloc calculations into effect on my 30mg daily doses. I pinched a muscle in my hand last week and was like that hurt, then I was like omg, I can feel pain again. I had near total loss of tactile sensations. And depersonalization to the point when I looked in the mirror I saw a stranger looking back.
@@kevinroy1736 also Lexapro did this for me i get lobotomized jus at 10mg no turning back from here
@@kevinroy1736how did you heal it, even somewhat?
I took Zoloft for about 1 week and then flushed the rest down the toilet.
You dodged a bullet
What was is like ?? What did you feel ?? Did it help with anxiety?
@@darrend2035 It wasn't making me feel better. This was back in 2000 when they were slinging these drugs left and right. I wasn't even really that depressed. I was 18 and it was probably just normal ups and downs. Something seemed off about it and I didn't like it. So I got rid of it.
@@darrend2035 If something doesn't feel right don't take it. Something seemed off about it so I got rid of it.
better to hand back to pharmacy for them to dispose of it because it gets into the environment. Those poor aquatic organisms get the brunt of psychiatry, god only knows what it's doing to them?
I had a health crisis in march 2023. For anxiety and exhaustion. Hospitalized. Was very traumatic. Made me take drugs. Made me hallucinate. The worsey anxiety got the worse staff diagnosis got. I didnt want the drugs because of side effects. Not allowed to leave without drugs and never informed of rights as patient at any time. They threatened me harm if i wouldn't take drugs. Then they threatened electro shock. So i had to take drugs to get out. Made me hallucinate for many days. Permanent injuries physically neurological emotional psychological. Cant work or do much anymore at 47 years old. Staff evil and mean.
I got a mTBI and they pushed HARD to put me on anxiety meds. I have never, ever been an anxious type. Quite the opposite. I said NO. He was mad. His problem. I am mostly good today. Never needed any drugs.
What if it’s just your ANXIETY doing this?? Some people hallucinate because they have a mental or mood disorder that’s making them crazy.
How can we just assume it’s the meds?
@@dorothysay8327 because I had NO ISSUES OF HALLUCINATING before the meds. No issues like that UNTIL the meds.
For the record. **No issues of hallucinating UNTIL THE DARN MEDS. 😢
@ysay8327 You cannot really assume anything. You also raise an excellent point- the chicken vs. egg thing. Every person and their health situation is unique. Some people are naturally unbalanced. Maybe born that way- parents did drugs, or genes, etc. Some are born to be alcoholics and various types of addicts/addictive personalities. Some are born to be bad people; others to be angels. My dog is clearly an angle. It's it his destiny. I know some people who were touched by the devil to be bad. It's the ying/yang thing. The universe needs both- hot/cold, up/down, happy and sad, etc.
There is a reason people seek meds in the first place. I never had. I feel fortunate for that. I don't even take aspirin. I don't have a clear answer for you- which is rare. I will say however that the larger pattern reveals that most often, when introducing DRUGS to an already unbalanced situation (person) and when those drugs are taken for say more then a week- all bets are off. I see them as doing by far MORE damage and harm then good. For some, drugs may help balance them or make their symptoms feel better but they never address the root cause. If instead of for-profit drugs, a person obsesses over nutrition; cuts out harmful processed foods, begins to exercise; has friends and is social; takes vacations and has fun in the sun; works a carreer they love and has a cause and reason to wake up every day, I think most of their ANXIETY (fear of the future) will melt away. DEPRESSION is living in the PAST. I live in the PRESENT.
Drugs are designed to make your mind week so you are more easily controlled- so you become a zombie and paying customer for life. These same "professionals" will still perform labotomies on people- it's still legal. Think about that. Most all of them only care about getting your money. If you are well, you are not a paying customer.
Are you still sometimes FEEL anxious? Notice, I did not say, are YOU anxious. There is a difference. We can all feel many things. The trick is to not become your label. Focus on other things and help others. I bet you are a great person- sensitive and caring.
I wish I had listened to my doctor when he said, "Once you start these, you will be on them for the rest of your life." Situational stress leading to divorce. I needed to fix the situation; instead, I took a pill to fix myself.
Dr Josef, it's all well and good suggesting someone photocopy a few pages or give the book to their doctor. In my experience, doctors do not take kindly to things like that. Even having the audacity to quote studies or listed side effects is usually met with disdain at best.
exactly! It is absolutely infuriating when these fools tell you, the patient, to “stop googling” or “get off the internet”, as though an educated patient asking questions in an effort to work collaboratively with their physician to heal is such a threat to their imagined superiority or just a “pain in their ass”. I’m always like; look, I would gladly “stop googling” information and blindly place my health in your hands, if you could actually cure me. But if you can’t, then I just need to get better, which may mean that I consult resources beyond you for my healing. Why is that such an affront to them? If I had a nickel for each time a doctor told me “I’m the doctor; you’re the patient”; I’d seriously be a rich woman right now. 😂
@@Iamthepossum Absolutely. And not just willing to stop researching IF they could cure, but if I could trust that they've missed the listed side effects which I am clearly experiencing, despite their insistence I am not.
I'm old enough to remember what doctors were like decades ago. This century it seems every GP I see has been trained to dispense pharmaceuticals without question or further input from themselves or me. It's a very serious problem.
I'm thinking of doing a nutritional and herbal medicine degree, just so I understand a different approach.
What is the name of the book?
@@judithriedel4194 I don't recall it now. If you watch the video he mentions it at some point there. Or visit the website of the psychiatrist he's interviewing here for the name of it.
Even suggesting diet might have an effect can be laughed at
We were sold the idea that our serotonin levels were low !suggesting it was like diabetics needing insulin! we needed SSRI’s it’s safe , it’s okay etc etc.
25 years later I’m still trying to get off completely 😢
GP’s tend to use antidepressants as a first line management instead of trying to engage & enable the patient to share their experiences & emotions!!!
Maybe serotonin levels are jacked up because of we aren’t living the way we should be. Go outside get exercise eat good food. Gods forbid doctors prescribe fresh air 😢
Psychedelics are just an exceptional mental health breakthrough. It's quite fascinating how effective they are against depression and anxiety. Saved my life.
Can you help with the reliable source I would really appreciate it. Many people talk about mushrooms and psychedelics but nobody talks about where to get them. Very hard to get a reliable source here in Australia. Really need!
Yes, dr.sporesss. I have the same experience with anxiety, depression, PTSD and addiction and Mushrooms definitely made a huge huge difference to why am clean today.
I wish they were readily available in my place.
Microdosing was my next plan of care for my husband. He is 59 & has so many mental health issues plus probable CTE & a TBI that left him in a coma 8 days. It's too late now I had to get a TPO as he's 6'6 300+ pound homicidal maniac.
He's constantly talking about killing someone.
He's violent. Anyone reading this Familiar w/ BPD know if it is common for an obsession with violence.
Is he on instagram?
Yes he is. dr.sporesss
Yes! We need more doctors speaking out about this!
Dr. Peter Breggin has written a book (published 2012) "Psychiatric Drug Withdrawel" which was probably the first of it's kind. Prior to that in 1999 he published "Your Drug May Be Your Problem: How and Why to Stop Taking Psychiatric Medications". Dr Breggin has been called "The conscience of American Psychiatry". LOVE. PEACE. God Bless
Just over 40 years ago I was diagnosed as a schizophrenic, was hospitalized numerous times, and injected with anti-psychotics and other pills that had unbearable side effects, far worse than my original problem, which would have benefited from psychotherapy, not pharmaceuticals. I managed to get off all the meds in a couple of years and live a fulfilling life. At the time, though, I thought, it would be interesting if psychiatrists could experience what we patients were going through on the drugs. And now it's happening. I'm very sorry for the suffering Mark had to go through, but I'm so excited by the changes that he has been able to make in people's lives as a result of his experience. Bravo! This is the way forward.
Amazing!
Even though Peter Roger Breggin published Toxic Psychiatry in the early 90s, it’s good to see some more voices getting on board.
Learned about "Toxic Psychiatry" soon after it was published. It changed my world. LOVE. PEACE. God Bless
I'm now almost 67 worked as a nurse for way over 40 years.
I developed insomnia in my teens due to bullying at school and at home. I went on to develop bulimia in my 20,s resulting in significant hair loss, this led to social stress and low self esteem.
The medical profession over all these years were of no help.
I was put on antidepressants on different occasions with horrible side effects and weight gain. Threw them away.
I take Zolpidem 10 mg at night for sleep I've bin on this for 20 years.
In summary my life has bin lonely and hard a real battle fighting exhaustion and not having feelings.
Thankfully I have a faith in God and ING to HIM.
My brother is a Holistic Counsellor and I'm a naturopath/kinesiologist... I've never seen so many people damaged by medications as the past few years - I think all doctors seem to have increased their prescriptions, their dosage, their increasing doses really quickly the last few years... So many medically damaged humans are out there and need to know this, rather than being told they're crazy....
Almost two decades after I got myself off SSRIs, I still can’t go there and remember what getting them out of my system took. With NO help at all from the medical profession. I never wanted to take these tablets but there was a waiting list for taking therapy. I lost my faith in the medical profession for anything to do with mental health. I believe it will take more doctors actually going through the indescribable withdrawals themselves for patient care to improve. Yeah, withdrawal is no joke, and we are NOT making it up.
The last 20 minutes of the discussion was most fascinating to me, how as psychiatrists we are in a microcosm within a larger macrocosmia ….technophilia, the inability to see what we haven’t a language for. The necessity for a discussion of the sociology and philosophy within psychiatry is the one thing training badly neglects .
Thank you so much to your both 🙏. I am also tapering Mirtazapine and it is terrible. I was put on a higher dose after a failed attempt to come down in dose both because I had terrible withdrawals (akathisia) and because I was gaslightet, that I needed it. It has destroyed my life together with my two kids.... Mark, thank you so much for your hard work while you have withdrawals yourself!
My previous doctor told me Mirtazapine should be easy to withdrawal from because “his prior patients never had a problem”. I believed him because the drug was ineffective, so I assumed the taper would be effortless. Oh was I wrong!
It was nothing short of hell on earth: Depersonalization, severe insomnia, akathisia, dysphoria, brain fog, etc.
I thought I was the exception and highly unlucky, but eventually I realized I wasn’t. It’s clear now that most psychiatrists I’ve encountered operated off of medical indoctrination, which is largely not based on objective data.
I had to taper off mertazapine by myself.. I didn't know it was a thing..7 years I was on it🤬..all because I couldn't get my sleep meds that worked just fine for me for many years
I got myself off gabapentin and it was horrible..I didn't know that was a thing either 🤬
I'm not depressed, I'm very angry I let this happen to me 😡🤬
Did you know if you have central nervous system damage this drug should never be prescribe 🤬I didn't.. and evidently my pain management doctor didn't either.. he knows my nervous system is messed up from my chronic pain 🤬
Amazing to see a doctor finally standing up for the truth 💜 I came off psych meds on my own knowing it wasn't working. It's been a long journey but worth every step.
Me too.
This is the most important video of our times.
By far.
There have been people talking about this for years. They were just squashed. Hopefully the tipping point is coming. We need more and more interviews like this with all the doctors that know it.
@@jefdby yep-my mother was a psychiatric nurse and has been telling me about this since 1988.
I was put on antidepressants and went in a blackout. I am bipolar. I had been drinking. No more than normal. I went into a rage. It took 5 policemen to hold me down and hog tie me. I had a serotonin "overdose"
Look into complex trauma . Tim Fletcher is an excellent resource .
Also Bipolar regular antidepressants made me Paranoid as well. I came from such a horrible depression I tried to counteract the Paranoia and mood swings I got from the antidepressants with Clonazepam. That only worked for like 1 month and I had to get off.
I'm on Topamax and sequel only now. What a change. Topamax and Lamictal are anticonvulsants. Lamictal is first line for bipolars, but it messed with my vision. Plus I'm sober and a whole lot less stress in my life. And a healthy diet.@@Rocketman0407
Benn there very scary!
@@mohawkduda8554 how did it manifest with you? Once on Zoloft I thought the cars behind was pointing a gun at me ready to pull the trigger. Definitely dangerous drugs for some of us
I was given SSRIs for being "depressed" (if you experienced my stressors, you would be thought of as "depressed," too). They led to what was eventually diagnosed as "Bipolar I, SSRI Onset." Most psychiatrists throw darts and expect scientific results.
I stopped taking mirtazapine in 2019. It’s 2024 and I’m finally learning how to feel the emotions that I was numbed out to for over 10 years.
Crimes against humanity.
Tapering off Mirtazapine almost twenty years ago was a nightmare. No doctor would listen regarding the horrible withdrawal effects. They all hand waived it away as my "disease" worsening due to my failure to "comply". SSRIs ruined my life, and caused me to subsequently develop severe ulcerative colitis years later.
Sorry for your trouble, Mirtazipine is a horrible drug.
I am so sorry that you have gone through all this Mark, and still going through it but so glad you are sharing your story. I found Surviving antidepressants in 2013 and started to taper my antidepressant that I had been taking for 11 years. I also went too fast and reinstated. It took 3 years to taper off a very small dose. Then started with the tramadol. That was another nightmare. I had been taking tramadol for 10 years when I started to taper. It took 7 years of very careful tapering to be free of tramadol and had been taking it for 17 years. It is a year since my last dose which was very very tiny. I now refuse any drugs, because I can not tolerate them. Thank you for warning others.
Excellent interview ! Very eye opening ! I’ve been a licensed psychotherapist for over 30 years and I’ve seen this happen to many clients over the 3 decades .. so sad 😞
There are so many amazing therapeutic modalities that people can go to now such as emdr accelerated resolution, therapy, brain spotting, somatic experiencing, Internal family systems therapy, rapid resolution therapy mace energy method , neurofeedback , etc.. to make a few ..
If psychiatry would utilize more of those methods or point clients in that direction, it would be so much more effective!
God bless you for bringing this topic to light !
Yes! On point.
All those things cost a tremendous amount of money. My Lexapro rx is free. Ridiculous.
@@SarahStar00 most insurance covers individual therapy sessions, especially emdr( the others may charge more for the other modalities, )
but after processing feelings and issues in regular individual sessions
, these other modalities especially the accelerated and the brain spotting are not meant to be long-term therapy, but short term therapy, so that brings the cost down tremendously!
Most of the good natural therapies are not covered by insurance! Only cash! Sad!
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Good video Dr. Josef…….just shows you no matter if you are a phD or a regular layman, most of these drugs destroy our lives.
This is so validating. Prozac damaged my brain in 2019 when I started it on my general practitioner's advice. A year from hell ensued. When something is wrong with our body, it will send us symptoms to alert us. We break our leg, we know that something has gone wrong. My brain was damaged and my symptoms were panic attacks, akasthisia, intense suicidal ideation, depersonlisation and derealisation, just to name a few. Needless to say I've never been the same since. Five years later, 20+ medication trials, hospital psychiatric admissions. My psychiatrist diagnosed me with Bipolar. The mixed states that I can experience is purely utter hell. Mark recalling and describing his experience at the beginning, sounds like a familiar hell. I'm still fighting to get better. These medications caused worse symptoms than the anxiety and depression I originally began them for.
I’m a young 75 and have been on anti depressants for at least 40 years. Now I sleep 12 hours a day, total brain fog, extreme dizziness and lately tremors, when I consult my doctor, she gives me a higher dose. (Cymbalta)
I think this is the way big pharma keep us foggy and hoping we will just do what we are told.
My pain clinic put me on Cymbalta for cervical stenosis pain in addition to epidurals. After I missed 2 doses and by the 3rd evening, I had severe palpitations, racing thoughts, and ringing ears. Once i took my dose that evening, I felt better within hours. After the 2nd time I forgot my dose and the symptoms hit, I got really worried. It was such an uncomfortable happening that i decided to look up Cymbalta withdrawls and was gobsmacked with the numbers of people who had trouble weaning off. At that realization, I decided not to continue. I did the bead count method, removing 1 EXTRA tiny bead out of my capsules every other day. My capsules contained approximately 77 beads, so it took me quite a while to be fully tapered.
Wow.
My daughter nearly died from a systemic allergic reaction to Wellbutrin. This condition is called DRESS syndrome which stands for "drug reaction with eosinophilia and systemic symptoms." It is a rare condition and many doctors are not even aware of it or the potential complications. She was misdiagnosed on multiple occasions in ER settings. By the time she was admitted to a hospital, the rash had covered her entire body and she looked as if she'd been badly burned. The edema caused a weight gain of 30 pounds in just a few days. She was unrecognizable and suffered terribly. Major organs were shutting down and if it hadn't been for IV steroids and stopping the offending drug, she would have died. We were lucky to have an hospitalist MD on duty who diagnosed her correctly and had experience with this drug reaction. This was ten years ago, and she still suffers from auto-immune issues and skin eruptions. No one told her that this was a possibility. Anyway, she has never taken another drug of any kind since that horrifying experience.
thats an underlying food intolerance, well butrin causes histamine reactions. your daughter should try the following for two weeks: no grains, no dairy, no seed oils. her autoimmune issues should get better. two weeks of trying is absolutely worth it. no peanuts no legumes no lentils no beans. try it.
@@grummelameise Drugs that most commonly cause the DRESS condition are anticonvulsants and antibiotics. The doctors were surprised that Wellbutrin was the culprit. Anyway thanks for the tip- I'll pass it on. Nothing to lose, I guess. Do you have expertise in this area?
expertise because i am an autistic with adhd, and i had HUGE sideeffects on stimulants, thats why I read up on the sideeffects. wellbutrin is essentially a stimulant, but listed as antidepressant. since I quit eating grains, dairy and seed oils, I can take stimulants without any side effects. my problems were nausea, puffy face, skin irritations, huge migraines that lasted for two days, and much more. it was essentially like having food poisening, like when you eat spoiled fish. but vomiting didnt help, and when it passed, i had to recover for one week. the headaches were the absolute worst. really really bad. heat and cold rushes. sweating. i had these thing all my life, but always mildly. another indication is intolerance to alcohol, and frequent tummy aches, constant passing of gas, bad experiences on the toilet. recently, i ate black lentils, oh boy, that was a huge mistake. i was sick for 4 days.
so, on essence: stimulants can make your food intolerances way worse. your daughter should try the following:
no legumes (peanuts, beans, lentils), no grains (ALL grains, also rice), no dairy (ABSOLUTELY no dairy), no seed oils for good measure (inflammatory with high probability).
your daughter will experience effects in the fourth day. 2 weeks for trying out is sufficient. she will see the results in her face pretty quickly. hair and nails will get better, stomach will be feeling great.
ok, good luck. and if she doesnt have all these intolerances, then quitting those food groups for two weeks will not harm her at all. normally, food intolerances get worse with time, unless you quit eating the culprits.
oh yeah. NO artificial sweeteners!!! no diet coke !!!! @@ga6589
@@sandyonashoestring My deepest condolences for your devastating loss.
@@sandyonashoestringmy deepest condolences as well. Know that sharing her story and honoring her memory may inform and save others in similar circumstances 🙏🏻sending 💕
I'm a case on the very severe side. It's been over FIVE years now since I've been off of antidepressants and the "withdrawal" or damage is still going strong. I can no longer work, rarely leave the house, and the worst of the symptoms are severe insomnia combined with rapidly cycling bipolar-type symptoms. I had none of these problems before. I've been what seems to be permanently damaged and sadly most don't seem to believe it's the drugs that have done this to me. The least they could do at this point is to offer euthanasia, but of course that's not legal here no matter the degree of suffering.
I feel the same but please don't give up! Praying for you!
Try SAMe plus TMG, methylated B vits,magnesium,fish oil.Also Gaba supplement is calming.
Josef and Marky Mark, only just started listening, biggest thank you to you guys for pairing up for this interview, to Josef for all your work and awareness raising and to my man, Marky Mark, thank you thank you thank you soooo much. Yours and David's work needs to penetrate our country as far as the dsm has and god i hope it does. I watched a gp almost rolling his eyes in disbelief as he read a report from a rheumatologist he referred me to where it was described the effect that coming off effexor had on me and for how long. We need more belief and knowledge from prescribers, we're losing faith in them.... Hearing you guys talk about it and the effort you're going to, it brings out the emotions of how painful and devastating it was, the pain is gone but it sure leaves a mark that's easy to rustle. Hopefully you guys can save others from this and worse. Well done with getting off lex too Mark, well 2 days left is close enough for congrats anyway.
@@dianemorrell9638 so sorry to hear of your unrecognized pain. what country do you live in? What bones are hurting? Benzos I think are another, maybe even bigger animal.
Mark....have you read Dr Palmers book, Brain Energy? I wonder if you've tried a therapeutic ketogenic intervention yourself? Seems a powerful thing to combine w tapering to minimize withdrawal effects?
I don't have personal experience with these drugs, but I still find these videos riveting. Dr. Josef, I wish for you millions of subscribers.
Yes, paxil hurt me bad. Health wise, I feel like I am a livewire, 20 years later. Nerves frayed to no end.
Do you have any pain symptoms I had that drug years ago for 3 years I have fybromyalgia symptoms
@@tomsale5142 , Oh yes. Same symptoms.
@@TrishHermit are you hypermobile did you have fybromyalgia prior to paxil
@@tomsale5142 , No, I also have the worse arthritis ever. Can hardly type right now it's so bad. :(
@@TrishHermit sorry to hear this check out Steve onazich gives some hope at least I have fybromyalgia not arthritis.my grandmother had that bad years high dose vitamin c can help to
Thank you for this. I was put on Paxil for situational depression (I was in my late twenties caring for my mother who was sick while working full time). They didn't help and years later I went off it. I had zero idea there was a withdrawal, no one told me about the dangers of SSRIs. Long story short it was pure hell. Two weeks later I had the worst anxiety I could even explain. Much like the way you describe it. Back then there wasn't much on it, so I googled Paxil withdrawal. There were so many stories of the hell I was experiencing. I had to go back on. I already had autoimmune issues so it was the lesser of two evils. I am still on .5. I was on 10mg. Anyway, I haven't tried again due to fear. Thank you for the work you are doing.
They really dont help nothing? It is all depend what kind of symptoms you have..for my ocd really helps..but nutrition is so important 😊
@@stellaancimer8505 hello my friend, I totally agree with you. I think everyone is different in terms of what meds work for them. What I was super bummed about was that I was not told how dangerous stopping would be. If I had known what I did I wouldn't have taken it especially since my depression was situational to begin with. I am so thankful yours help with your ocd. I also really agree with you on nutrition. I have been on AIP and other lifestyle changes. Sending you lots of healing vibes Stella. Hope life is treating you well. :)
Me too...to afraid to try stopping again
@@stellaancimer8505 that is awesome it helps you. I agree with the nutritian part -omg. I have linked so much of my triggers to food because my gut is ruined.
@@Loriannl7 i cant explain how much food has impact on me, and my mood in general
@Dr.Josef- I have been on benzos for over 10 years and recently got off them. It was defenitely not the recommended way. It was extremely dangerous. I somehow came upon your videos of benzos and started watching them during this time. I would love to share my experience with you if possible so people can understand the nightmare that benzos really are. Keep up the good work!
Hello, I have now been on benzos for 10 years. And I am considering doing something more extreme because the slow tapering does not work for me and I have all the problems that most people get. What did you do that was different? I would be interested in what you did. If you don't mind could you tell me what you did differently and what you went through? Thanks Kevin.
Good luck on him answer you@@kevingronau4946
There's quite a few videos on YT on coming off benzoyl recently 🎉
Same here been on 20 yrs trying to get off safely
@@karinkellum3054 yeah well I'm 55 and I don't see how I'm going to be getting off anytime soon
I just finished this talk. It is very brave and extremely informative. I’m grateful for you gentleman
Yes, a "hurricane of harm" is a perfect way to describe what has been done to people by the medical profession and these drugs. Thank you Mark
it's oppression, not depression.
thank you so much, dr josef and dr horowitz for fighting the good fight.
I’ve just withdrawn from 20 years on Effexor. It was brutal. 5 months off and I’m still not out of the woods. It’s horrendous. Still unwell. Anxiety is through the roof, intrusive thoughts, memory and more. I hope it gets better. So glad it is being recognised now.
Ask Jesus to help you. He will. He helped me.
Read the book of John in the Bible.
Been there! Got through it eventually. Be KIND to yourself: good food, rest, exercise, beautify your space, give yourself grace. You’ll get back to yourself! ❤
@mariaw593 oh I do. I pray a lot. I'm leaning on Him ❤️
@KimberMcC thankyou. Gives me hope❤️
Yes. They are very addictive. After taking an SSRI for 20 years when I stopped them cold turkey I ended up in emergency to get my heart zapped back into rhythm. The Emergency Doc told me I could die doing that. Took me 4 years to get off the dam things.
that's right...
Yep. Do NOT stop cold turkey!
Helped a friend get off fluvoxamine, which was prescribed by primary care with no instructions to watch for side effects, etc.. I thank God for information like this because we knew to wean extremely slowly. We bought a scale and shaved off micrograms. It took 2 years, but he is now healthy and whole.
I just saw a video by a former pediatrician admitting that if he had it all to do over again, he wouldn't have gone to med school, but instead would have studied naturopathy and wholistic healing 🎉😮
Now ur talking holistic is the best starts in the gut intestines adrenal glands endocrine system hormones neurotransmitters not working properly causes mental health anerexia serious mentsl health low vit d is associated woth schizophrenia
Horseshit, lies, fraud and theft of a different kind. They’re NO better, accept they’re usually a lot stupider, includes chiropractors, homeopaths, naturopaths-ALL about the $$$.
And their are now doctors that are practicing functional medicine and they specialize in Vit d. That's how important it is. Best to get it from sunlight when it's not at it's hottest.
Yep. Read the FLEXNER REPORT NIH 1910. It says they are to promote TREATMENT and never PREVENTION cause it makes more money. Millions have died due to this greed. They follow this Treatment only model to this day. Obesity, diabetes, cancer and heart disease are pushed on us. They need us sick. That is how they profit. They work in concert with the processed and fast food industry.
As someone who’s taking 5yrs to get off opiates and now being told I need antidepressants, I really appreciate this information. My depression has become debilitating but I’m terrified to ever go through withdrawals again.
I'm so sorry to hear your going thru this. Get yourself a good counsellor that can support you with psychological techniques. Keep your biorhythms stable, same time to go to bed and get up daily, dim lights same time of night daily. Sleep is massively important. No processed food, only whole real foods only. Exercise daily. All of these combined are incredibly important. And you might want to add in intermittent fasting to regenerate cells in your body.
Outdoors in nature as much as possible adding to KJs excellent advice.
And baby steps towards taking care of yourself.💕
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OFF ALL SSRI's
I would just try a regular SSRI in low dose. You can always jump off them if you get side effects or they do not work. Give them 3 months. If you jump
Off after 3 months you will not feel much at all. It’s nothing like opiate withdrawal using them that short.
They can be helpful if you got a lot of fatigue.
Good decision. They say psych drug withdrawal is way worse than opiates.
I think antibiotics and sickness in youth can affect depression later in life. (Things like PANS). I think people with gut issues can be set up for depression/anxiety. I got hurt by Prozac, Cymbalta, and a few others within days, so I do not suggest using antidepressants to treat anything. Even with that strong “aversion” to antidepressants, I still fell for the idea an as needed benzodiazepine was okay. (Worse mistake ever). Even that took stopping and starting a half dozen times to where I got so hurt that it could be nothing else.
I had no idea medications could cause this kind of living misery.
Yes. Antibiotics really mess with your gut which compromises neurological growth especially when you're only a child. Yet they hand it out like candy
Agree 100%%%% psychiatrists are MDs yet NEVER suggest an actual cause of infection for the issue. It's horrible and twisted.
something happens when abruptly stopping and starting. I have not looked into it myself yet. I saw the word "kindling" used regarding it.
@@kevinroy1736cos them meds deplete minerals n vitimins b12 deficiency thiamine deficiency
Yes microbial health. Toxoplasmosis caused crazy brains 🧠.. lyme. Parasites all hijacked the brain
Thank you Dr. Horowitz for your book and advocacy. There are, I think, other books written about this subject. Dr. Breggin is one. I have not been able to read it because I am still too sick to read a book..
Great to see fellow Australians discussing this topic seriously
Really appreciate the brutal honesty of Dr Horowitz about these medications. Thank you for this interview and hope for the best outcome for him and everyone withdrawing from these drugs.
When I was going through Benzo 'withdrawal' I had 2 different doctors tell me I was a Manic Depressive, and wanted me on more medication. One even said..'You're getting older now and older people NEED to be on these drugs for life'( I was 58 at the time).. now at about 7 years later I am completely back to normal...NOT manic depressive. But I did go through nearly 3 years of literall HELL ON EARTH Benzo 'withdrawal'.
58 is young, as long as your moving and getting outside. Glad your out the other side, me too.
@@csr3282 Oh I feel great again... I can do more chin ups that the average 30 year old.
How long had you been on them?
@@trapped-ion I was on 1MG of Ativan daily for about 2 weeks before I started tapering.
If they would do this to a doctor at an eminent university, what would they do to us??
If someone says "Dont worry, I am here to help" you should be scared.
A general rule of life.
Good advice
I've watched 1,000 videos over the last few years about this problem and this may be the best one to explain the problem.
I had to reduce extremely slowly.. breaking up the smallest does a tiny bit at a time over months until I was only taking a crumb .. then a crumb every second day for weeks.. then every 3 days .. once a week .. sometimes having to revert back slightly to the last does for a bit .. eventually I could stop with no side effects.
There was definitely tolerance with them .. I was going up and up in the dose and not even feeling much benefit..
Diet has a huge impact on mental health/ depression & anxiety. Nac, b vitamins methylated , creatine .. lots of protein. Omga 3 2g epa /dha daily. Glycine and Nac before bed helps neurotransmitters & relaxation plus magnesium gycinate. So much better than the way antidepressants make you feel.
Yeah, same here. I had to taper with Remeron, or I would feel absolutely terrible. My sleep was terrible for years after quitting Remeron, but without tapering quitting would be impossible.
A while back, I gradually stopped taking a few of the rxs I was prescribed for suicidal tendencies. I didn't tell the doctors because I didn't want them to fear a lawsuit. After quite a while, I declared myself "out of the woods," and that's how I took charge of my situation. There wasn't much the doctors could do, and I was okay, so no harm done. Weird how I became suicidal when a couple of my adult kids were using meth and other drugs, and burned my house down and beat me up, then, when they got clean, and were so much nicer, I felt much better about my own life, eh? Go figure.
You two are the voice of conscience and reasoning!The fact that doctors could force patients to take drugs against their wills is simply appalling!
Criminal.
Took me 4 years to taper off of cymbalta. It was an absolute nightmare. I worked in psychiatry for 20 years and was shocked that none of the doctors understood about tapering or the negative side effects. Kudos to this channel for bringing the information to the forefront
I love cymbalta and have had no side effects when starting or tapering off. It really dialled down my pain too.
I believe Canadian psychology professor, Jordan Peterson, also had a very terrible experience trying to come off of clonazepam. He states he almost died and had long lasting side effects with memory and fatigue/pain. Thank you for your testimony.
I tried (not by my own choice, my new doctor’s) to get off of it after over 15 years on it (3mgs a day at that).. I was tapered off over one month. I felt like I was dying constantly. My heart raced. I was in a constant state of panic. I was in and out of the ER, also the psych unit. For months, I wanted to just be dead instead of feel that way. Thankfully my old doctor put me back on them, so now I do have some quality of life.
If I had known when I was 18 what I know now, I’d never have agreed to start taking them.
@ds2265 you should taper off a lot slower. Listen to your body
@@eatplastic9133 My doctor didn’t give me a choice unfortunately. They don’t seem to understand what happens, they insist that it’s out of your system after two weeks so I should’ve felt better. But I felt like I was dying. Months. Of hell. Until I switched to my old doctor again and got back on them because I couldn’t take it anymore.
Yeah he was prescribed them to cope with the grief of losing his wife to disease. She survived and he didn’t realize taking them would cause problems. And he’s a smart psychologist!
@@terranhealer It's not like those potential side effects are a secret, he could have known about them with a quick Google search.
I really love this guy and admire him for putting this information out publicly, but it does surprise me that an actual Dr. didn’t know these drugs would have any withdrawal effects at all
I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed I guess
Yeah, that was kind of surprising to me. I learned that in middle school...
Thank you, Dr. Horowitz!
Very true that doctors don't recognize withdrawal symptoms because they're trained to see them as relapse of symptoms or new diagnoses. I asked my psychiatrist who I really like and she just doesn't see it because she is looking through another lens.
Thank you Mark, you are so right about what you are saying! I injured my back a few years ago and so many doctors tried to put me on medication and I came home and researched some of the side effects and read about people online. I have 2 degree but not in medicine but I came to the conclusion to go down the road of nutrition and exercise and I found people who believed the same. So glad I did, it might take longer but it’s so much better long term . Your body makes the right medicine to heal itself 🙏❤️
That's the way to go. Meds cause b12 deficiency thiamin deficiency magnesium deficiency the list goes on