Your work is excellent. Mark Felton, was made a fellow of the Royal Historical Society for his work on UA-cam, and I hope the establishment recognizes you as well.
I was born in B.C. and this story was taught in school up until 1980. Good video to refresh my memory. Thanks Chris for the concise and detailed video.
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I have a daughter who lives and works in Victoria, Vancouver Island. I visited her earlier this year and got to know some of the locals. They told me about "the Pig War". Some of them also boasted their ancestors were Americans, but British loyalists who fought on the side of the British during the war of 1812 when the USA tried to invade Canada.
Thank you for sharing that amazing story of the almost war between the British and the Americans. I have never heard of this conflict and was amazed it even happened. I am certainly glad the only casualty in the whole conflict was the pig except I don't think the pig was too happy about being the casualty! LOL excellent job with a story and look forward to continue with my support of your channel. 🎉
Thoroughly enjoyable presentation, thank you once again for expanding our historical knowledge in such a pleasant fashion. Very happy to hear that the Union flag is still hoisted regularly upon this island, the yanks are good sports for doing so.....couldn't help but notice the impressive, well maintained garden at the former British barracks.
There is an annual reenactment of this affair at English Camp, San Juan Island, each summer (although the Pandemic dampened enthusiasm for it for several summers), with various local residents, and also folks coming down from BC, to represent both sides. The British Government still funds the occasional replacement of the big flag each time it becomes too worn. The flag is HUGE, and hoisting or lowering it if there is any wind at all is rather tricky. I portrayed one of the senior British officers at the event for a number of years and I once saw a fellow lifted suddenly almost six feet in the air by a gust of wind before he could let go of the corner of the flag. Across the road from the camp, and up on the side of a small mountain, there is a tiny cemetery where a number of the British soldiers are buried. These were not combat casualties of course, but men who drowned swimming, had hunting accidents, or passed from illness during the joint occupation. If I remember correctly, this little military cemetery is still actually considered to be British soil.
This was very well done - as are all of your videos! - If anyone wants to see a very funny animated version of this story check out Oversimplified -"The Pig War"
Outstanding video! I grew up on Whidbey Island, south and east of San Juan. Spent my formative years sailing, kayaking and exploring the San Juans (proposed to my wife on Sucia), Gulf Islands, Puget Sound and coastal/inland waters of B.C. I have gotten to visit both the English & American Camps. This bit of history was never formally taught to us in school, just anecdotally. As a lad I read everything I could lay hands on of the history of the area from the Spanish exploration onward.
I am well versed in American military history and a US Army veteran, I never heard of this pig incident….. it appears that the old 9th Infantry Regiment was spoiling for a fight….lol. American/British-Canadian relations has come a LONG way since 1859
Well researched and presented. I worked as an archaeologist at English Camp - San Juan Island National Historical Park in 1984 and was pleased to hear your narrative about some of the most beautiful islands and best sailing waters in the world! Hadn’t heard the contemporaneous conspiracy theory before where Captain Pickett was trying to provoke a fight with the British in order to unify the North and South factions in the face of a common enemy. Topic for alternative historical fiction: The 1864 Reelection of President George Pickett, the Victor of the Battle of San Juan Island. Great 👍 and thanks 🙏
When I was a kid (and maybe there are others here my age who remember), there was this cartoon called Hey Arnold. It's set in an un-named city in the Pacific Northwest, and one of the episodes revolved entirely around this incident. The kids would all re-enact a battle and afterward, there'd be a big party. Well, Arnold volunteered his pet pig without knowing that at the end, the pig was to be eaten by the winning team (In this episode, the British team won). Luckily, Arnold and Rex Smythe Higgins III (his British counterpart, naturally), put aside their differences and rescued Arnold's pet from the barbecue. It's one of my favorite episodes. In any case, like the kids in the show, neither side really was interested in fighting and the whole incident really could've been avoided if one man had just kept his pigs in a sty and another had built a better fence. You know, as an American, whose family has deep roots in England (I'm still in contact with some cousins there), and one with a deep interest in history, I really do love your channel. I look forward to the next talk.
I don't know how I missed this video when it came out a month ago! The Pig War is very interesting to me, since it involved many of the same people later in our Civil War and in our Western wars with the Native tribes. BTW...Harney's name was recently removed from Harney's Peak in the Black Hills of Dakota, and it's now Black Elk Peak.
History Chap you are correct few non diplomatic locations host the Union jack in the United States. In this case the Union Jack is raised and lowered by members of an armed service of the United States USCG or Coast Guard. That place is the British Cemetery on Ocracoke Island North Carolina, May 11 1942 an Armed Trawler HMT Bedfordshire Sank with all hands. Four bodies washed ashore and residents gave them plots, the land is known as Forever England by Ocracokers. Every year there is a ceremony and reception honoring the 37 crew members, representatives from USCG, USN, RN & RCN, and the British Ambassador go there to raise a new flag. There is a lot more to the story, U-558 sank not long after. Several local historians wrote small books on the subject. being a history nut myself I bought and read them. I can dig them up on request. I look forward to hearing more from the History Chap.
Yet another good example of what happens when you hand a map and some pencils to diplomats who have never been anywhere near the lands that they are dividing up. Generals don't start wars, ambassadors do, usually by accident. Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da....
Good video, Chris! What a peculiar and ridiculous conflict! Thankfully one of the best feats of diplomacy in world history which are not that many. The mentions of Pickett and the American Civil War are very appreciated. Who the heck knew a pig could almost start a war! As for the Supporter's Club, if someone joined the History Buff Level, when are the Q&A sessions?
Wee pig story for you, in Berlin for a longtime during the cold war there were pigs kept at Wavell Barracks, story goes it was in case of a conflict it would supplement rations, I know it sounds absolutely daft now but it was there, I know I was stationed there for a couple of years. There was even an unofficial "Pig-Major" in charge of them and a favourite fatigues duty was mucking out.
The American Civil War was NOT about Slavery, Lincoln didn't release the Emancipation Proclamation until 1863, two years into the war. He made that the issue then. The Battle of Bunker Hill was actually fought on Breed's Hill.
There's one unanswered question here, what happened to the two people who started this whole mess? Did the American ever pay the other guy compensation for the dead pig or did everyone just forget about it because of everything else that went down?
Thank you for this video , I had heard of this incident and didn't know the details . Supposedly the feud between the Hatfields and the Mccoys started over a hog ( among other things ) . Love your channel, keep up the great work .
I had heard of the war of the pig but didn't know about English Camp and the Union Flag being flown there. Stirling stuff once again History Chap, well done and please keep them coming.
Thanks for sharing, Love your channel, Glad cooler heads prevailed and the US and Britain did not get in to a war over that pig.🐖 In the US Civil War, The US navy would stop and board British ships on the seas looking for Southern agents. Which was what started the war of 1812, when the Royal Navy boarded American ships on the high Seas. Again the US and England where close to a war. But President Lincoln, said "one war at a time" and ordered the US Navy not to stop British ships on the high seas. So the US and Britain never had another war. Cheers 🍺🍺🤠
Thanks for sharing that insight into strained relations during the Civil War. And also the irony that the US were doing to GB what thew Brits had done to the Americans in 1812.
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Very interesting and well presented. By the way the union flag at 4:52 is upside down. This is said to be a sign of distress so perhaps correct in this case.
Excellent research, narration, presentation and all - what more can one ask ? As of usual, the History Chap has the right sow by the ear, as the saying goes... Why, I myself have been known to prate about various "what if's" or lesser known wars, pertaining to the British empire, like the War of Jenkins Ear, for example - but the Pig War in British Columbia, including the participation of an american commander name of Pickett, known for Pickett's charge at Gettysburg, certainly was a new one for me. Also, I can't help but to note that the 7th Swedish Armour Regiment - one of the very few remaining in their native Scania, where - during the Cold War - the sixth largest agglomeration of tanks in all of continental Europe once stood, fairly recently adopted a wild boar insignia as their own - featuring what is supposed to be a Pictish emblem from a stone near Inverness, Scotland -although already the 15th Roman Legion used the same animal for a symbol - a wild boar, that is... In other news, His Majestys Gvt over in Britain has issued certain recommendations to all citizens of the commonwealth regarding travels to Sweden...but I digress... These recommendations, btw, are most well founded, no use to flog a dead horse - or pig - lest I myself would end up like Sir Redvers Henry Buller in his day, soundly defeated and promoted beyond his ability...
54'40 or fight! Was the US would be battle cry. It's a pity the war wasn't fought, as the British defense of the BC pig farmer there only emboldened the pig farmers of BC, leading one of them to become a notorious murderer and serial killer, Michael Pickton. If we'd fought the war, and crushed BC pig farmers for good, those killings would never have happened. If we fought the British in 1859 we would have invaded Britian and burned down the British cotton mills, cotton mills fed with the cotton from slavery and we ended the evil of slavery in the US through a united front rather than a bloody civil war.
A great video and lovely islands. I remember hearing the story when we visited the islands back in 2002. Well worth a visit if you ever get the chance. Lots of weekend holiday homes from the Microsoft and Boeing executives. Beautiful scenery like much of that part of the world.
that's all very nice, but all the gun-jumping just seems like an elaborate cover-up for the real question: who ate the dead pig? We should measure the winner by the amount of bacon hidden in the smokehouse.
Well you established that there were potatoes and a dead pig, why not have a luau and whiskey until the last man standing wins the island? I'm not from the left coast as we call it, I'm on the east in VA, some of my family was with Pickett during the charge. I had heard this story and often wondered really just how close it was to going up against the British again? Glad cooler heads did prevail, and as far as I am concerned y'all can have the island back. Maybe every year we each send a drinking team a pig and a ton of potatoes and last man standing flies their flag until next year.
The poignant part is that no one on either side saw the situation as rising to the level of war and they behaved that way. Hence the Americans rowing out to the British ship for Sunday services. But that's hardly uncommon. It's why the oldest saying regarding war is that nobody is really fighting for their country; they're fighting for their immediate comrades. What is unusual, however, is that nobody in authority saw any point to it either. Again, your knack for telling the story is unrivaled. Thank you!
Brilliantly explained once again, thank you very much! there is a similar case of an actual condominium between Spain and France, in the Basque country: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pheasant_Island
On the other side of the USA there was the border between Maine and New Brunswick where the lines were somewhat blurred. It was more or less settled by the treaty that defined the line you speak of here but not before some rattling of sabres and gnashing of teeth. Thanks a lot for a good watch.
With part of that border in the Atlantic still disputed. But the most significant inhabitants of the disputed islands are some birds that both the U.S. and Canada treat as endangered, so nobody is in a hurry to settle it.
Excellent story. I remember watching a film in the seventies about the trenches in WW1 at Christmas , the Germans used to shout to the British “give us a song Tommy “ and it was then the turn of the British to sing a carol. And vice versa, given a chance most people get on fine. As did the Americans and British in this case. My Grandfather was in the 5th battalion Cameronians, who went to France in 1914, his battalion crossed the line on Christmas Day and I have some newspaper clippings that show Scottish and German soldiers standing in a mixed group. A further example of the above. All the best to our American cousins and German friends.
One of my favourite “stupid non-wars” from that period was a border dispute between New Brunswick & Maine in the late 1830s. Basically, while the border has been agreed upon years ago, there were few actual markers on the ground itself in some of the more remote wooded areas, leading to Brits (Canadians) & Americans crossing back & forth to hunt & trap on each other’s land. There had been numerous low key confrontations & a bunch of incendiary rhetoric for years but neither territory’s government paid much attention. The whole affair came to a head at “the Battle of the Caribou” where a group of Canadian trappers went out one winter morning to chase off a group of Americans at a camp on the Caribou river. Both sides had barely exchanged a volley of musket fire each when the noise woke up a hibernating bear which mauled one of the Canadians and sent both sides running for their lives! The bear mauling was the only serious casualty of the affair, and the border was properly marked off the next summer.
Now wait a minute. How much did Charles Griffin get for his dead pig. Don't tell me in the midst of all that commotion reimbursement for the pig fell out of favor?
Did my Historical Archaeology field school work at American Camp, way back in 1975!. Another young U.S. officer named Henry Martyn Roberts was on the island; he would go on to formulate "Roberts Rules of Order" for running meetings etc.
Great video sir, this incident has actually been made famous in the US due to a Cartoon (Hey Arnold) making an Episode which parodying the Pig War. However for George Pickett’s motivations, while it is true that several contemporaries put forth it was done to distract from a coming civil war, many of Picketts friends and colleagues have a different opinion. George Pickett was a known Glory Hound (something that came back to haunt him later) ever since the Mexican-American War where he was the first man to hoist the colors on the wall of fort Chapultepec, achieving this honor after his two friends Ulysses Grant and Pete Longstreet were wounded storming the walls. This moment of triumph stuck with George and in the dull decade after the war he finally had. Chance at it again in Vancouver. Most believe that it’s that throat for glory that compelled him to seek out this confrontation rather than any political motivation.
Thanks for this video. It seems strange that there could have been a war over a dead pig. I presume that the compensation offered (£10) was a reasonable amount back then.
I learned many years ago that, during the immediate years after the war, the anthem God Save the Queen / America was played whenever that Union Jack within the US territory was raised and lowered every day. At least that helped in making the occasion not so odd as the theme had national status of both countries. Unsure whether they are still doing this now.
This a great story and if you read the newspapers of the day. a very funny one! It seems the people in the surrounding area didn't think it was a serious matter and made fun of the two sides. I first learned about this incident after learning that the British flag is still flying over the site of English Fort.
Your work is excellent. Mark Felton, was made a fellow of the Royal Historical Society for his work on UA-cam, and I hope the establishment recognizes you as well.
Thank you for your very kind comment. To even be suggested as in a similar arena to Mark Felton is an accolade I can live with!
As a US citizen this is never taught in our schools
I'd second the comparison with Dr Felton's channels.
I never fail to learn something interesting
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@@jonmeek3879 as a UK citizen, nor ours
I was born in B.C. and this story was taught in school up until 1980. Good video to refresh my memory. Thanks Chris for the concise and detailed video.
Apart from being fun I think it is a good lesson in how simple matters can be compounded and create results way out of proportion. Still happens.
I grew up on San Juan Island, this war is up there with the war of independence for us! I'm still salty about that pig eating my countryman's crops.
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The kaiser! neutral”he was just a bitter little man 👀do the right thing for our loyal Canadians🇬🇧🇨🇦 give it back :p.s. could you also send a few billion to us ordinary subjects of the crown : as the only people with any are our leaders and former leaders who have it in abundance , and there families 💫 🇺🇸🇬🇧🇨🇦 p.p.s. Thank you for all the blood you have shed on our behalf in times past and present some of us will never forget the debt we can never pay back to so many who payed the ultimate price who came from so many countries 🇬🇧
I have a daughter who lives and works in Victoria, Vancouver Island. I visited her earlier this year and got to know some of the locals. They told me about "the Pig War". Some of them also boasted their ancestors were Americans, but British loyalists who fought on the side of the British during the war of 1812 when the USA tried to invade Canada.
The USA attacked Canada because it was the only option to hit the British.
Thank you for sharing that amazing story of the almost war between the British and the Americans. I have never heard of this conflict and was amazed it even happened. I am certainly glad the only casualty in the whole conflict was the pig except I don't think the pig was too happy about being the casualty! LOL excellent job with a story and look forward to continue with my support of your channel. 🎉
Thanks for your support. Chuckling about your pig comment.
Thoroughly enjoyable presentation, thank you once again for expanding our historical knowledge in such a pleasant fashion.
Very happy to hear that the Union flag is still hoisted regularly upon this island, the yanks are good sports for doing so.....couldn't help but notice the impressive, well maintained garden at the former British barracks.
There is an annual reenactment of this affair at English Camp, San Juan Island, each summer (although the Pandemic dampened enthusiasm for it for several summers), with various local residents, and also folks coming down from BC, to represent both sides. The British Government still funds the occasional replacement of the big flag each time it becomes too worn. The flag is HUGE, and hoisting or lowering it if there is any wind at all is rather tricky. I portrayed one of the senior British officers at the event for a number of years and I once saw a fellow lifted suddenly almost six feet in the air by a gust of wind before he could let go of the corner of the flag. Across the road from the camp, and up on the side of a small mountain, there is a tiny cemetery where a number of the British soldiers are buried. These were not combat casualties of course, but men who drowned swimming, had hunting accidents, or passed from illness during the joint occupation. If I remember correctly, this little military cemetery is still actually considered to be British soil.
This was very well done - as are all of your videos! - If anyone wants to see a very funny animated version of this story check out Oversimplified -"The Pig War"
Thanks for offering the funny animated option.
Outstanding video!
I grew up on Whidbey Island, south and east of San Juan. Spent my formative years sailing, kayaking and exploring the San Juans (proposed to my wife on Sucia), Gulf Islands, Puget Sound and coastal/inland waters of B.C. I have gotten to visit both the English & American Camps. This bit of history was never formally taught to us in school, just anecdotally. As a lad I read everything I could lay hands on of the history of the area from the Spanish exploration onward.
Thank you for watching. Glad you enjoyed it.
I am well versed in American military history and a US Army veteran, I never heard of this pig incident….. it appears that the old 9th Infantry Regiment was spoiling for a fight….lol. American/British-Canadian relations has come a LONG way since 1859
Well researched and presented. I worked as an archaeologist at English Camp - San Juan Island National Historical Park in 1984 and was pleased to hear your narrative about some of the most beautiful islands and best sailing waters in the world! Hadn’t heard the contemporaneous conspiracy theory before where Captain Pickett was trying to provoke a fight with the British in order to unify the North and South factions in the face of a common enemy. Topic for alternative historical fiction: The 1864 Reelection of President George Pickett, the Victor of the Battle of San Juan Island. Great 👍 and thanks 🙏
That was very interesting history. I am an American, and I had never heard of this incident. Thank you so much for educating me.
When I was a kid (and maybe there are others here my age who remember), there was this cartoon called Hey Arnold. It's set in an un-named city in the Pacific Northwest, and one of the episodes revolved entirely around this incident. The kids would all re-enact a battle and afterward, there'd be a big party. Well, Arnold volunteered his pet pig without knowing that at the end, the pig was to be eaten by the winning team (In this episode, the British team won). Luckily, Arnold and Rex Smythe Higgins III (his British counterpart, naturally), put aside their differences and rescued Arnold's pet from the barbecue. It's one of my favorite episodes.
In any case, like the kids in the show, neither side really was interested in fighting and the whole incident really could've been avoided if one man had just kept his pigs in a sty and another had built a better fence. You know, as an American, whose family has deep roots in England (I'm still in contact with some cousins there), and one with a deep interest in history, I really do love your channel. I look forward to the next talk.
I don't know how I missed this video when it came out a month ago! The Pig War is very interesting to me, since it involved many of the same people later in our Civil War and in our Western wars with the Native tribes. BTW...Harney's name was recently removed from Harney's Peak in the Black Hills of Dakota, and it's now Black Elk Peak.
History Chap you are correct few non diplomatic locations host the Union jack in the United States. In this case the Union Jack is raised and lowered by members of an armed service of the United States USCG or Coast Guard. That place is the British Cemetery on Ocracoke Island North Carolina, May 11 1942 an Armed Trawler HMT Bedfordshire Sank with all hands. Four bodies washed ashore and residents gave them plots, the land is known as Forever England by Ocracokers. Every year there is a ceremony and reception honoring the 37 crew members, representatives from USCG, USN, RN & RCN, and the British Ambassador go there to raise a new flag. There is a lot more to the story, U-558 sank not long after. Several local historians wrote small books on the subject. being a history nut myself I bought and read them. I can dig them up on request. I look forward to hearing more from the History Chap.
At 4.47 the Union Flag is being flown upside down.
I find that rather distressing.
the union jack is on top of every government building in Hawaii, has been and always will be
Is it the union jack or the Hawaiian flag which has a union jack within it?
What an incredible alt-history novel this would make! 🇺🇸⚔️🇬🇧
100 GBP for a pig in 1858? Solid Silver breed? A pig wasn't worth 10 GBP sixty years later.
Yet another good example of what happens when you hand a map and some pencils to diplomats who have never been anywhere near the lands that they are dividing up. Generals don't start wars, ambassadors do, usually by accident. Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da....
Good video, Chris! What a peculiar and ridiculous conflict! Thankfully one of the best feats of diplomacy in world history which are not that many. The mentions of Pickett and the American Civil War are very appreciated. Who the heck knew a pig could almost start a war! As for the Supporter's Club, if someone joined the History Buff Level, when are the Q&A sessions?
Wee pig story for you, in Berlin for a longtime during the cold war there were pigs kept at Wavell Barracks, story goes it was in case of a conflict it would supplement rations, I know it sounds absolutely daft now but it was there, I know I was stationed there for a couple of years.
There was even an unofficial "Pig-Major" in charge of them and a favourite fatigues duty was mucking out.
The American Civil War was NOT about Slavery, Lincoln didn't release the Emancipation Proclamation until 1863, two years into the war. He made that the issue then. The Battle of Bunker Hill was actually fought on Breed's Hill.
No it was about Slavery! And expanding it right from the start
There's one unanswered question here, what happened to the two people who started this whole mess? Did the American ever pay the other guy compensation for the dead pig or did everyone just forget about it because of everything else that went down?
Why is the flag at 4.45 upside down? Pig in peril?
Wonderful, very funny and another gap in my knowledge closed! Well done Chris, Ludwig
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching.
Turning a silk purse in diplomacy from a sow's ear?
this really is one of my fav ''🇨🇦'' history tales. 😁
thx again, Chris.
Well this certainly makes the Hatfield McCoy dispute seem less absurd
Unbelieveble story! So much fun in learning this tiny history about a pig! Thank you so much..!
My pleasure.
Anear miss is a hit. You mean a near hit. Canadians are American. America is a Continent not a Country.
Thank you for this video , I had heard of this incident and didn't know the details . Supposedly the feud between the Hatfields and the Mccoys started over a hog ( among other things ) . Love your channel, keep up the great work .
I had heard of the war of the pig but didn't know about English Camp and the Union Flag being flown there.
Stirling stuff once again History Chap, well done and please keep them coming.
Great video's and I think there really well put together just one small criticism the picture of Union flag on the flag pole is upside-down.
Amazing story. Thankyou sir🇬🇧🇬🇧
Are you British? Do you like the USA and Americans?
Looking forward for your next clip
Thank you.
I keep a pig in my garden simply to deter our new uninvited Eastern friends from visiting.
Why should Ukrainians care about pigs...?
Who ate the Pig?? Great story, may be a little more on the Royal Navy in the future?
More than happy to talk Royal Navy in the future. In fact I have a few planned.
Thanks for sharing, Love your channel, Glad cooler heads prevailed and the US and Britain did not get in to a war over that pig.🐖 In the US Civil War, The US navy would stop and board British ships on the seas looking for Southern agents. Which was what started the war of 1812, when the Royal Navy boarded American ships on the high Seas. Again the US and England where close to a war. But President Lincoln, said "one war at a time" and ordered the US Navy not to stop British ships on the high seas. So the US and Britain never had another war. Cheers
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Thanks for sharing that insight into strained relations during the Civil War. And also the irony that the US were doing to GB what thew Brits had done to the Americans in 1812.
Bacon is bacon .mate.
Can't help but laugh a little at this. Glad that we never started shooting at each other, and our nations have gotten closer over the years.
San Juan, López, Hidalgo, Galiano, Cordoba...
All of them Spanish names.
Why do English speakers arrive so late to these beautiful places? 😜
American Civil War was about "States Rights". Our country was young, and it wasn't all about slavery. There was polygamy too...Love your work.
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I do have 1 question??
Who ate the pig⚖️🇺🇸🇬🇧🤩🎬🤠😁
Are you British? Do you like the USA and Americans?
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For our sins🙏🇬🇧💯🆘
Lived in NYC🗣️ AND travelled across and back.
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Very interesting and well presented. By the way the union flag at 4:52 is upside down. This is said to be a sign of distress so perhaps correct in this case.
Excellent research, narration, presentation and all - what more can one ask ? As of usual, the History Chap has the right sow by the ear, as the saying goes... Why, I myself have been known to prate about various "what if's" or lesser known wars, pertaining to the British empire, like the War of Jenkins Ear, for example - but the Pig War in British Columbia, including the participation of an american commander name of Pickett, known for Pickett's charge at Gettysburg, certainly was a new one for me. Also, I can't help but to note that the 7th Swedish Armour Regiment - one of the very few remaining in their native Scania, where - during the Cold War - the sixth largest agglomeration of tanks in all of continental Europe once stood, fairly recently adopted a wild boar insignia as their own - featuring what is supposed to be a Pictish emblem from a stone near Inverness, Scotland -although already the 15th Roman Legion used the same animal for a symbol - a wild boar, that is... In other news, His Majestys Gvt over in Britain has issued certain recommendations to all citizens of the commonwealth regarding travels to Sweden...but I digress... These recommendations, btw, are most well founded, no use to flog a dead horse - or pig - lest I myself would end up like Sir Redvers Henry Buller in his day, soundly defeated and promoted beyond his ability...
54'40 or fight! Was the US would be battle cry. It's a pity the war wasn't fought, as the British defense of the BC pig farmer there only emboldened the pig farmers of BC, leading one of them to become a notorious murderer and serial killer, Michael Pickton. If we'd fought the war, and crushed BC pig farmers for good, those killings would never have happened. If we fought the British in 1859 we would have invaded Britian and burned down the British cotton mills, cotton mills fed with the cotton from slavery and we ended the evil of slavery in the US through a united front rather than a bloody civil war.
Great fun, but how very daft! Lovely pic of a Landrace pig t😊hough! Thanks Chris.
My pleasure. Thanks for your support.
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A great video and lovely islands. I remember hearing the story when we visited the islands back in 2002. Well worth a visit if you ever get the chance. Lots of weekend holiday homes from the Microsoft and Boeing executives. Beautiful scenery like much of that part of the world.
As they say Chris,' you can't make this stuff up'...As always, well done...
A island between Vancouver Island and Puget sound. Hello from Victoria
that's all very nice, but all the gun-jumping just seems like an elaborate cover-up for the real question: who ate the dead pig? We should measure the winner by the amount of bacon hidden in the smokehouse.
Well you established that there were potatoes and a dead pig, why not have a luau and whiskey until the last man standing wins the island? I'm not from the left coast as we call it, I'm on the east in VA, some of my family was with Pickett during the charge. I had heard this story and often wondered really just how close it was to going up against the British again? Glad cooler heads did prevail, and as far as I am concerned y'all can have the island back. Maybe every year we each send a drinking team a pig and a ton of potatoes and last man standing flies their flag until next year.
We could each send a company of marines or RM and US 9th division troops, and a tanker full of beer.... I can't see any issues cropping up at all...
I wish all wars could end in enduring peace. Pity about both the potatoes & porker though. Oh well. Never mind eh
Poor pig. What a shame the U.S. settlers had no bacon. Bravo Sir. And thank you for sharing another brilliant video lecture. 👍
The depiction of your Union Flag at 4.49 is upside down.
Blimey, had it not been for Crimea, we could have got the colonies back 😅😂
I think that ship had sailed but an interesting "What if?" history moment.
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And there was me thinking War of Jenkins ear was peculiar 😮lol 😅😂
Ha ha. War of jenkins Ear coming next week.
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Like two bald men fighting over a comb 😂...
The poignant part is that no one on either side saw the situation as rising to the level of war and they behaved that way. Hence the Americans rowing out to the British ship for Sunday services. But that's hardly uncommon. It's why the oldest saying regarding war is that nobody is really fighting for their country; they're fighting for their immediate comrades. What is unusual, however, is that nobody in authority saw any point to it either. Again, your knack for telling the story is unrivaled. Thank you!
Thanks for watching & for your interesting feedback
Fascinating, and woderfully done.
Some pig! Say, isn't that Union Flag at 4:51 upside-down?
Some pig indeed!
In answer to your question - yes.
Yes, a sign of distress due to loss our hero Brit-Pig 😢
Brilliantly explained once again, thank you very much! there is a similar case of an actual condominium between Spain and France, in the Basque country: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pheasant_Island
Bailey and Hornby… cooler heads indeed, history is crazy lol
On the other side of the USA there was the border between Maine and New Brunswick where the lines were somewhat blurred. It was more or less settled by the treaty that defined the line you speak of here but not before some rattling of sabres and gnashing of teeth.
Thanks a lot for a good watch.
With part of that border in the Atlantic still disputed. But the most significant inhabitants of the disputed islands are some birds that both the U.S. and Canada treat as endangered, so nobody is in a hurry to settle it.
Thanks so much for this porcine upload
Excellent story. I remember watching a film in the seventies about the trenches in WW1 at Christmas , the Germans used to shout to the British “give us a song Tommy “ and it was then the turn of the British to sing a carol. And vice versa, given a chance most people get on fine. As did the Americans and British in this case.
My Grandfather was in the 5th battalion Cameronians, who went to France in 1914, his battalion crossed the line on Christmas Day and I have some newspaper clippings that show Scottish and German soldiers standing in a mixed group. A further example of the above.
All the best to our American cousins and German friends.
Thanks for posting, such a thoughtful comment
One of my favourite “stupid non-wars” from that period was a border dispute between New Brunswick & Maine in the late 1830s. Basically, while the border has been agreed upon years ago, there were few actual markers on the ground itself in some of the more remote wooded areas, leading to Brits (Canadians) & Americans crossing back & forth to hunt & trap on each other’s land. There had been numerous low key confrontations & a bunch of incendiary rhetoric for years but neither territory’s government paid much attention.
The whole affair came to a head at “the Battle of the Caribou” where a group of Canadian trappers went out one winter morning to chase off a group of Americans at a camp on the Caribou river. Both sides had barely exchanged a volley of musket fire each when the noise woke up a hibernating bear which mauled one of the Canadians and sent both sides running for their lives!
The bear mauling was the only serious casualty of the affair, and the border was properly marked off the next summer.
That’s a great story, thanks for sharing
I saw the title of this video was US Pig War and thought..."They almost fought a war over my ex wife?" She made everybody mad it seems.
Ouch! 🤣
Is it me or is the sound quality lacking on this one?
Great video! As a Washington resident and a history buff, I love hearing from a many different sources as I can. Thanks!
My pleasure. Glad you enjoyed it.
Now wait a minute. How much did Charles Griffin get for his dead pig. Don't tell me in the midst of all that commotion reimbursement for the pig fell out of favor?
That’s a very good question and one to which I do not know the answer
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Fantastic tale well told. My compliments Sir.
How about a video about Mary Seacole?
Why is the opening illustration of the British soldiers from the late 18th century rather than from the mid 19th century?
er ...It is an image from the Crimean War, which ended just 3 years before.
A nice part of history story and your story telling at alway . Great job sir
Love and support from Vietnam .
Thanks for watching and for your kind comment
\just excellent, thank you
thanks for a good video now got the full story as what happened
Totally bonkers!
yes
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I live in Victoria B.C. A real treat to hear about the military history of this area. Great video as always!
Thanks for watching my video & for your comment.
Probably in second place behind Jenkins Ear for bad reasons to start a war. A great telling of the story.
Thanks for watching
I'm sorry, I think this story is a porky
You missed your calling on stage -:)
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One of several conflicts between the United Kingdom and the United States in the 19th Century.Excellent video!
many thanks.
@@TheHistoryChap you should write a book on all these wars
Did my Historical Archaeology field school work at American Camp, way back in 1975!. Another young U.S. officer named Henry Martyn Roberts was on the island; he would go on to formulate "Roberts Rules of Order" for running meetings etc.
Good one never heard of that
Loved it Chris 😂
Interesting video
I first heard about this from “OverSimplified” who did a humorous video on the incident. Thanks for covering it.
In an alternate universe the War Between the States never happened because the US and Britain went to war instead.
Or that Britain would have fought with the Confederacy....
Which is why I normaly don't like "what ifs".....
Ah yes, the great (almost) pig war. That time we almost went to war over 100lbs of bacon, thankfully cooler heads prevailed.
Thankfully they did.
A fantastic presentation
Many thanks!
Terrific Chris 😂
"What a nice little pig" -Babe
Good Pig!
Great video sir, this incident has actually been made famous in the US due to a Cartoon (Hey Arnold) making an Episode which parodying the Pig War. However for George Pickett’s motivations, while it is true that several contemporaries put forth it was done to distract from a coming civil war, many of Picketts friends and colleagues have a different opinion. George Pickett was a known Glory Hound (something that came back to haunt him later) ever since the Mexican-American War where he was the first man to hoist the colors on the wall of fort Chapultepec, achieving this honor after his two friends Ulysses Grant and Pete Longstreet were wounded storming the walls. This moment of triumph stuck with George and in the dull decade after the war he finally had. Chance at it again in Vancouver. Most believe that it’s that throat for glory that compelled him to seek out this confrontation rather than any political motivation.
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Good morning, Chris, another excellent telling. But what a great excuse for a good old fashion war. They have been fought for less. Cheers
Thanks for this video. It seems strange that there could have been a war over a dead pig. I presume that the compensation offered (£10) was a reasonable amount back then.
I learned many years ago that, during the immediate years after the war, the anthem God Save the Queen / America was played whenever that Union Jack within the US territory was raised and lowered every day. At least that helped in making the occasion not so odd as the theme had national status of both countries. Unsure whether they are still doing this now.
This a great story and if you read the newspapers of the day. a very funny one! It seems the people in the surrounding area didn't think it was a serious matter and made fun of the two sides. I first learned about this incident after learning that the British flag is still flying over the site of English Fort.
A fascinating tale,of which i only had a scant knowledge of before this post....thanks for another great piece of forgotten history