Shout out for the "Spare Change" reference at the end! I'm still holding onto my old trusty Epson 5040 until a price/performance king convinces me to upgrade. The 5040 still has that "wow" factor when decently calibrated in a light controlled room. Movie night guests have never complained.
I do not think that you mention that with Epson projectors: it is best to calibrate them, BUT if you do, you LOSE about 600 lumens of brightness. Most reviewers of the LS12000, for example, have said that calibrating is a definite benefit and similarly so to, I should think, the QB 1000, but then, with that much brightness loss is it that much better than a JVC700? We’ll wait for the upcoming JVC700 review to ascertain your response?
Great projector but you can score an Epson LS12000 for nearly half the price and have nearly all the same features and performance… pretty much the same projector with very slight to minor improvements on the QB1000. The LS12000 is probably one of the best values on the market… what I find really impressive about the new lineup is their QL3000 the sweet spot… the amount of light output at 6,000 lumens you can easily is it to throw a very punchy picture on a gigantic screen with great performance at $15k anything from the competition with this level of quality and light output will be $50k with maybe slightly better performance.
Coming from a 6050, I don't think it's worth an upgrade from me, I don't watch it enough to where the laser engine is that concerning yet, I'm still on my first build with a spare ready. I think My bext projector to truely be worth it is going to have to be in the 16-20k range sadly. I think next visual upgrade for me is going to be a Zidoo to replace the shield and an Envoy Core for the tone mapping, let the Epson get a few more years on, then see what projectors offer me in 3-5 years
I'm a bit in the same situation , have a TW9400 (6050UB) and I thought "this is already very good, how coudl it possibly be better ?" Then I bought a Nexigo Trivision Ultra, and man, the difference in color clarity and "pop" next to the Epson is very big. Unfortunately, so is the black floor level ... But I've got a Valerion Max backed and normally arriving in may/june that should take care of those inky blacks , AND even brighter than the Trivision. These are great times we live in ! I think the "big 3" epson/sony/jvc are in for some stiff competition !
These days, while the new projectors look and sound amazing, I’m still having trouble finding reason to upgrade from my Epson 5050. Sitting 10ft away in the front row of my theatre. Tone Mapping is a feature I’m lacking at the moment
Considering the price difference, fi you're happy, maybe that money woudl be better spent on keepign the projector and gettign an Envy Core processor, considering the price jumo, I may as wlel go thsi route
You would hardly notice the 4k, ive had TW9400 for many years and never noticed. The epson 3lcd 4k upscale technology is brilliant and looks exactly same as native 4k. Agree on no 3D. But completely dissagree on lack of features, i find QB1000 an easy upgrade choice over the other projectors because it has the most features, highest lumens 3300, 4k@120 with only 20ms input lag is an easy choice especially if you play games, as Shane said in video no other porjector comes close to it unless you want to spend 4-5 times more money! Oh and one other thing, the projector is literally half the price in the UK which made it an instant buy as an upgrade for me, mine is arriving this weekend and i cant wait to set it up and watch all the movies ive been saving while also connect it to my PS5 Pro for that 4K@120hz, this is exactly the projector that the PS5 Pro was made for :D
@@Cheesepizza222 lol are you comparing lifestyle mobile projector with a home cinema projector :D it's like comparing gaming on a Mobile Phone to Gaming on a Console!
Why is this projector so much cheaper in Europe? I see it going for 5.5k (€), compared to the $7999 it goes for in the US? Might be smart to import one from there.
Most likely it is import fees to the U.S on some technology. Also in EU that price does not include the 20% VAT tax so it ends up being about the same.
My choice for my next projector will be the Jvc nz700 cause I like the blacks of thr projector and the tone mapping. Is it your plan to review the nz700?
Blacks i would agree, but you loose out on the brightness in comparison. Also i think tone mapping is done better on this epson then the JVC. Also the 4K@120hz is the big positive that the Epson has here over the JVC and probably the biggest diffrentiator.
@Killer_Nads I dont really care about the 120hz 4k because I play on pc:) but tone mapping seems to be better on Jvc cause its too bright in some cases and you can lose details in dark areas
@@hugochampagne9733 yes for sure, i have heard from other people who was ordering a laser JVC and then demoed both togather side by side, then last minute changed the order to the Epson Qb1000 because of the PQ difference especially the extra brightness you get. But ofcourse everyones preferences will vary!
I never thought I'd say this, but I think this projector is bested by the Valerion VisionMaster Pro 2, for blacks, and for auto tone-mapping. Those demos just looked better.
This is the SL12000 with more lumens, so Epson changed the model's number continuity and then decided to scam the US buyer with an $8,000 MSRP vs $5,000 in Europe for the same unit. Why Epson thinks that the US buyers are suckers is beyond my understanding, on top of that this projector has an extra year of warranty in Europe vs the US. The SL12000 came with a mounting bracket and the QB1000 does not. At the same time JVC has come out with the NZ500 for $2,000 less with the best blacks and dynamic tone mapping in the business. Epson lost me as a potential buyer, and I am sure they will lose a lot more customers in the next couple of years with screen sizes under 140".
epson HDR tone mapping better, epson brightness better, jvc better black levels, Epson 4K@120Hz which the JVC cant contend with in there laser line up. It's an easy choice for UK/EU buyers, but maybe not so much for USA buyers :(
@@Killer_Nads Epson HDR tone mapping better? in what dream world do you live? if you are going to decide between this projector and the competition you'd better some research because you are in for a big disappointment with this projector's HDR compared to the JVC.
If you have a totally light-controlled and very dark room, and if you place high value in the JVC's black levels, then I think the Epson might actually disappoint you. I say this based on the fact that I tried one for a week in such a room - and it disappointed me.
Thanks Shane, mines arriving this weekend in UK and i cant wait to play on it with PS5 Pro, no other projector comes close as you said to offer this level of lumen brigtness while also giving us 4K@120Hz unless we pay alot more. Im upgrading from a Epson TW9400, so the difference in PQ will be huge, i was also considering the new JVC laser projectors but they lacked in a lot of features especially for Gaming. Im also looking forward to the Auto Tone Mapping (maybe the auto gamma setting also?) for HDR content, as its a pain currently on the TW9400 as it doesnt adjust automatiicaly for each scene and you have to manually adjust it. This new feature itself will make a huge upgrade with HDR10+ content. A bit concerning though about the blacks, I do like to have a bright picture, but also not make the blacks into grey, i assume the Natural picture mode is probably going to offer the right compromise between the two here or was it another mode during your testing? I actually like that the complete fade to black that the Dynamic mode presents, but you did mention that it can be a bit jarring. I will play with the different settings i guess and choose one to stick with for now, a professional video calibration will happen sometime in January though.
What settings do you use for movies and gaming on your TW9400? I'm playing around with a 5050ub in the US. Natural is nice and bright but lifts up the blacks a bit much. Cinema and Digital Cinema deepen the blacks considerably, but brightness takes a hit. Input lag feels great regardless.
@@TomlinsonHolman52583 I have my projectors always calibrated onsite by a professional. So i use custom picture mode rathen then the default ones, but your bang on about the preset modes. Input lag is definetly great but now i cant wait to receive my QB1000 which has even less input lag and would also play and feel much better especially for all the games that support 4k at 120hz on ps5 pro. Ive seen that as long as you have ALLM enabled and you pick balanced Pro mode on games, even those games play much smoother, even games that dont support 120fps they will still increase the frames by about 10-20fps depending if playing on performance (60fps), balanced (40fps) or Quality (30fps).
@Killer_Nads - QB1000 will play great with PS5 Pro. Hopefully, projectors will get VRR at some point, as most games rarely run at stable frame rates. What is your sound setup?
No native 4K or 3D are both deal breakers. Although, Im never using active shutter glasses for 3D ever again. Its the cinema tech or nothing. Also, im never touching a projector again until HDR improves massively. I have an OLED. And no projector comes even close to that contrast. Even the biggest cinemas around me doesnt have that level of image. Hell, the cinemas doesnt even have HDR. Just dull image. Bigger screen is far from better. All projectors look boring compares to my 77" C1 or my 65" B7.
One thing I don’t understand 😮 Why would you TURN OFF some of the good things from projectors ? WHY ? It’s not logical ! Everyone will turn that on so leave it on so we can see what the projectors are capable of. Plz
because most people want to see the original movie, not tranformed by the process of the Tv or projector, which sometimes can look better but far from the desire from the producer
@ DISAGREE 👎 I’ve had epson 5030 and it was amazing when u turned on the resolution thingy It would make it nice looking not like JVC ( SOFT ) undesirable 👎 and why would u turn down the brightness 🔆 to 50 ? I rather put it to 80 and then every year I would increase it to 5% more and in 5 to 6 years I would replace it with a better upgraded projector 📽️ 👌 May be you like soft looking pictures from 1980 but not 99.999%
I think a comparison between the NZ500 will be more accurate given their similar price points. The NZ700 is quite a lot more, and even a hard sell over the NZ500, although we have yet to see really in-depth reviews and head-to-heads on the NZ500 yet. Thing is, once all three are properly calibrated, I strongly the suspect the NZ500 is going to be the pick overall for value and PQ. The boost in brightness that the Epson has won't matter so much once calibrated, and JVC is obviously going to beat it on detail and black levels. Gaming is a consideration for some of course, where the Epson has the advantage, but for movie fans obviously that won't matter. The HDR argument often crops up with projectors, but people need to ask themselves how much content they watch is actually HDR? Most films aren't, even newer ones, and obviously going back a few years, nothing is. A lot of high-end TV shows are now, but again, how many of those do you watch? Plus black levels are still important with HDR content. These are all individual questions of course.
How do you figure the 500 is closer than the 700 in price? The difference between the NZ500 and Epson is $2k. The difference between the Epson and NZ700 is $1k.
@@therealshanelee Because it's cheaper and will out perform the QB1000 in several areas, particular when calibrated. The Epson has the edge in brightness, but you know that when calibrated this won't make a huge difference, and the lower black floor of the JVC will be very evident. The difference between the NZ500 and NZ700 is not vast... it's a big price difference for a small performance bump.
@frangipani-dreams ok. But the Epson is more similar in price to the 700 than the 500. The mathematics is objectively there. So I think comparing it to the 700 makes more sense.
@@therealshanelee It's not about mathematics, it's about comparable performance. From everything we know so far about the NZ500 & NZ700 and the handful of reviews/eye witness accounts there are, they're VERY close, so if the NZ700 is beating the QB1000 in key areas, the NZ500 is highly likely to do the same, so if it does why would you ignore it? That's $1000 in your pocket! Obviously, a head-to-head with all three (calibrated) is needed to make a final determination, and in the coming months we will certainly see that.
@frangipani-dreams I'm going strictly off your opening sentence. You said " will be more accurate given their similar price points " Objectively the 700 is more similar in price than the 500.
Dang no 3d and no real 4k at $7,999.00. I guess if you rich and need to spend your money. I got my 4010 and it was $1,600 a few years ago and it has fake 4k plus 3d I think I'll stay there.
Shout out for the "Spare Change" reference at the end!
I'm still holding onto my old trusty Epson 5040 until a price/performance king convinces me to upgrade. The 5040 still has that "wow" factor when decently calibrated in a light controlled room. Movie night guests have never complained.
I do not think that you mention that with Epson projectors: it is best to calibrate them, BUT if you do, you LOSE about 600 lumens of brightness. Most reviewers of the LS12000, for example, have said that calibrating is a definite benefit and similarly so to, I should think, the QB 1000, but then, with that much brightness loss is it that much better than a JVC700? We’ll wait for the upcoming JVC700 review to ascertain your response?
Great projector but you can score an Epson LS12000 for nearly half the price and have nearly all the same features and performance… pretty much the same projector with very slight to minor improvements on the QB1000. The LS12000 is probably one of the best values on the market… what I find really impressive about the new lineup is their QL3000 the sweet spot… the amount of light output at 6,000 lumens you can easily is it to throw a very punchy picture on a gigantic screen with great performance at $15k anything from the competition with this level of quality and light output will be $50k with maybe slightly better performance.
Have to do with my NZ8 😅😉
OUCH... Those side by side contrast comparisons with the JVC. I see Epson is still giving the blacks "the blues". No pun intended. lol
Coming from a 6050, I don't think it's worth an upgrade from me, I don't watch it enough to where the laser engine is that concerning yet, I'm still on my first build with a spare ready. I think My bext projector to truely be worth it is going to have to be in the 16-20k range sadly. I think next visual upgrade for me is going to be a Zidoo to replace the shield and an Envoy Core for the tone mapping, let the Epson get a few more years on, then see what projectors offer me in 3-5 years
I'm a bit in the same situation , have a TW9400 (6050UB) and I thought "this is already very good, how coudl it possibly be better ?"
Then I bought a Nexigo Trivision Ultra, and man, the difference in color clarity and "pop" next to the Epson is very big. Unfortunately, so is the black floor level ...
But I've got a Valerion Max backed and normally arriving in may/june that should take care of those inky blacks , AND even brighter than the Trivision.
These are great times we live in !
I think the "big 3" epson/sony/jvc are in for some stiff competition !
These days, while the new projectors look and sound amazing, I’m still having trouble finding reason to upgrade from my Epson 5050. Sitting 10ft away in the front row of my theatre. Tone Mapping is a feature I’m lacking at the moment
Considering the price difference, fi you're happy, maybe that money woudl be better spent on keepign the projector and gettign an Envy Core processor, considering the price jumo, I may as wlel go thsi route
i still have a 12 years old full hd epson tw5000, and it still shines
No native 4k and no 3d = it should be half that price ,and then i still would not buy it because of its lack of features.
You would hardly notice the 4k, ive had TW9400 for many years and never noticed. The epson 3lcd 4k upscale technology is brilliant and looks exactly same as native 4k. Agree on no 3D. But completely dissagree on lack of features, i find QB1000 an easy upgrade choice over the other projectors because it has the most features, highest lumens 3300, 4k@120 with only 20ms input lag is an easy choice especially if you play games, as Shane said in video no other porjector comes close to it unless you want to spend 4-5 times more money!
Oh and one other thing, the projector is literally half the price in the UK which made it an instant buy as an upgrade for me, mine is arriving this weekend and i cant wait to set it up and watch all the movies ive been saving while also connect it to my PS5 Pro for that 4K@120hz, this is exactly the projector that the PS5 Pro was made for :D
...and no scart connection
@@heimkinofande 😂
@@Killer_Nadsu should’ve stocked with the Hisense xp3 pro or awol ltv3500
@@Cheesepizza222 lol are you comparing lifestyle mobile projector with a home cinema projector :D it's like comparing gaming on a Mobile Phone to Gaming on a Console!
I have always admired the horses in the snow.
Where can I find that, is a demo or a movie clip?
i would also like to know where to find this horses demo please
It's the Spears & Munsil UHD HDR Benchmark Disc.
Great review as always.
Why is this projector so much cheaper in Europe? I see it going for 5.5k (€), compared to the $7999 it goes for in the US? Might be smart to import one from there.
Most likely it is import fees to the U.S on some technology. Also in EU that price does not include the 20% VAT tax so it ends up being about the same.
@@scotttild Nah brother, the price is including VAT. You might be onto something with the import fees though.
My choice for my next projector will be the Jvc nz700 cause I like the blacks of thr projector and the tone mapping. Is it your plan to review the nz700?
Blacks i would agree, but you loose out on the brightness in comparison. Also i think tone mapping is done better on this epson then the JVC. Also the 4K@120hz is the big positive that the Epson has here over the JVC and probably the biggest diffrentiator.
@Killer_Nads I dont really care about the 120hz 4k because I play on pc:) but tone mapping seems to be better on Jvc cause its too bright in some cases and you can lose details in dark areas
@@hugochampagne9733 sure but then you can just adjust the light output setting right (Shane showed in video) to bring it down to JVC level brightness?
@@Killer_Nads Really need to see the difference between both in person lol
@@hugochampagne9733 yes for sure, i have heard from other people who was ordering a laser JVC and then demoed both togather side by side, then last minute changed the order to the Epson Qb1000 because of the PQ difference especially the extra brightness you get. But ofcourse everyones preferences will vary!
I never thought I'd say this, but I think this projector is bested by the Valerion VisionMaster Pro 2, for blacks, and for auto tone-mapping. Those demos just looked better.
are the projectors calibrated
No 3D or Native 4K for such a massive price .
I’ll stick with my Sony
Would love to see comparison with this to the Valerion Pro Max
This is the SL12000 with more lumens, so Epson changed the model's number continuity and then decided to scam the US buyer with an $8,000 MSRP vs $5,000 in Europe for the same unit. Why Epson thinks that the US buyers are suckers is beyond my understanding, on top of that this projector has an extra year of warranty in Europe vs the US. The SL12000 came with a mounting bracket and the QB1000 does not. At the same time JVC has come out with the NZ500 for $2,000 less with the best blacks and dynamic tone mapping in the business. Epson lost me as a potential buyer, and I am sure they will lose a lot more customers in the next couple of years with screen sizes under 140".
epson HDR tone mapping better, epson brightness better, jvc better black levels, Epson 4K@120Hz which the JVC cant contend with in there laser line up. It's an easy choice for UK/EU buyers, but maybe not so much for USA buyers :(
@@Killer_Nads Epson HDR tone mapping better? in what dream world do you live? if you are going to decide between this projector and the competition you'd better some research because you are in for a big disappointment with this projector's HDR compared to the JVC.
Grab your sunglasses indeed ...to make the black levels look better!
My Epsons 6060 3D is garbage. Horrible ghosting, and a known issue. I see why they stopped supporting it.
$8k and no 4k native broooooo. no way that price is real
Still love my Jvc Nx7, but the qb1000 is a very tempting competitor.
If you have a totally light-controlled and very dark room, and if you place high value in the JVC's black levels, then I think the Epson might actually disappoint you. I say this based on the fact that I tried one for a week in such a room - and it disappointed me.
if you are used to JVC blacks, I'd recommend you stay with JVC, unless you have a screen bigger than 140/150 inches.
The price of this projector is just absurd. Epson has lost their minds.
Thanks you. France bonne fête
Thanks Shane, mines arriving this weekend in UK and i cant wait to play on it with PS5 Pro, no other projector comes close as you said to offer this level of lumen brigtness while also giving us 4K@120Hz unless we pay alot more. Im upgrading from a Epson TW9400, so the difference in PQ will be huge, i was also considering the new JVC laser projectors but they lacked in a lot of features especially for Gaming. Im also looking forward to the Auto Tone Mapping (maybe the auto gamma setting also?) for HDR content, as its a pain currently on the TW9400 as it doesnt adjust automatiicaly for each scene and you have to manually adjust it. This new feature itself will make a huge upgrade with HDR10+ content.
A bit concerning though about the blacks, I do like to have a bright picture, but also not make the blacks into grey, i assume the Natural picture mode is probably going to offer the right compromise between the two here or was it another mode during your testing? I actually like that the complete fade to black that the Dynamic mode presents, but you did mention that it can be a bit jarring. I will play with the different settings i guess and choose one to stick with for now, a professional video calibration will happen sometime in January though.
What settings do you use for movies and gaming on your TW9400? I'm playing around with a 5050ub in the US. Natural is nice and bright but lifts up the blacks a bit much. Cinema and Digital Cinema deepen the blacks considerably, but brightness takes a hit. Input lag feels great regardless.
@@TomlinsonHolman52583 I have my projectors always calibrated onsite by a professional. So i use custom picture mode rathen then the default ones, but your bang on about the preset modes. Input lag is definetly great but now i cant wait to receive my QB1000 which has even less input lag and would also play and feel much better especially for all the games that support 4k at 120hz on ps5 pro. Ive seen that as long as you have ALLM enabled and you pick balanced Pro mode on games, even those games play much smoother, even games that dont support 120fps they will still increase the frames by about 10-20fps depending if playing on performance (60fps), balanced (40fps) or Quality (30fps).
@Killer_Nads - QB1000 will play great with PS5 Pro. Hopefully, projectors will get VRR at some point, as most games rarely run at stable frame rates.
What is your sound setup?
@@TomlinsonHolman52583 i have a 7.1.4 Audio Setup and also D-BOX Motion Seats
@@TomlinsonHolman52583 Audio is 7.1.4 Dolby Atmos with D-Box Seats.
No native 4K or 3D are both deal breakers. Although, Im never using active shutter glasses for 3D ever again. Its the cinema tech or nothing. Also, im never touching a projector again until HDR improves massively. I have an OLED. And no projector comes even close to that contrast. Even the biggest cinemas around me doesnt have that level of image. Hell, the cinemas doesnt even have HDR. Just dull image. Bigger screen is far from better. All projectors look boring compares to my 77" C1 or my 65" B7.
One thing I don’t understand 😮
Why would you TURN OFF some of the good things from projectors ?
WHY ? It’s not logical ! Everyone will turn that on so leave it on so we can see what the projectors are capable of. Plz
because most people want to see the original movie, not tranformed by the process of the Tv or projector, which sometimes can look better but far from the desire from the producer
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DISAGREE 👎 I’ve had epson 5030 and it was amazing when u turned on the resolution thingy
It would make it nice looking not like JVC ( SOFT ) undesirable 👎 and why would u turn down the brightness 🔆 to 50 ? I rather put it to 80 and then every year I would increase it to 5% more and in 5 to 6 years I would replace it with a better upgraded projector 📽️ 👌
May be you like soft looking pictures from 1980 but not 99.999%
I think a comparison between the NZ500 will be more accurate given their similar price points. The NZ700 is quite a lot more, and even a hard sell over the NZ500, although we have yet to see really in-depth reviews and head-to-heads on the NZ500 yet. Thing is, once all three are properly calibrated, I strongly the suspect the NZ500 is going to be the pick overall for value and PQ. The boost in brightness that the Epson has won't matter so much once calibrated, and JVC is obviously going to beat it on detail and black levels. Gaming is a consideration for some of course, where the Epson has the advantage, but for movie fans obviously that won't matter. The HDR argument often crops up with projectors, but people need to ask themselves how much content they watch is actually HDR? Most films aren't, even newer ones, and obviously going back a few years, nothing is. A lot of high-end TV shows are now, but again, how many of those do you watch? Plus black levels are still important with HDR content. These are all individual questions of course.
How do you figure the 500 is closer than the 700 in price? The difference between the NZ500 and Epson is $2k. The difference between the Epson and NZ700 is $1k.
@@therealshanelee Because it's cheaper and will out perform the QB1000 in several areas, particular when calibrated. The Epson has the edge in brightness, but you know that when calibrated this won't make a huge difference, and the lower black floor of the JVC will be very evident. The difference between the NZ500 and NZ700 is not vast... it's a big price difference for a small performance bump.
@frangipani-dreams ok. But the Epson is more similar in price to the 700 than the 500. The mathematics is objectively there. So I think comparing it to the 700 makes more sense.
@@therealshanelee It's not about mathematics, it's about comparable performance. From everything we know so far about the NZ500 & NZ700 and the handful of reviews/eye witness accounts there are, they're VERY close, so if the NZ700 is beating the QB1000 in key areas, the NZ500 is highly likely to do the same, so if it does why would you ignore it? That's $1000 in your pocket! Obviously, a head-to-head with all three (calibrated) is needed to make a final determination, and in the coming months we will certainly see that.
@frangipani-dreams I'm going strictly off your opening sentence. You said " will be more accurate given their similar price points " Objectively the 700 is more similar in price than the 500.
Too Expensive! No Native 4k. Epson makes great products but this one is too expensive.
Mine is ordered but Epson please, 3D, 3D, 3D, all id perfect, only 3D is a bigggggggg problèm.😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
No 3D is why I’m still enjoying my 5050ub! I should be receiving bumblebee 3D and ROTB by the end of the week! Super stoked😆👍
No 3D! sad🥲 and have to own an UST too just for 3D etc
I will not buy this projector because it doesn’t have 3-D Dolby Vision and filmmaker mode
Dang no 3d and no real 4k at $7,999.00. I guess if you rich and need to spend your money. I got my 4010 and it was $1,600 a few years ago and it has fake 4k plus 3d I think I'll stay there.
Brightness doesn't matter as long as contrast and HDR isn't even close to an OLED or ever early QLED.