2010 Audi S4 vs. 2007 Audi RS4
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- The Smoking Tire takes two hot Audi's, the 2010 S4 and the 2007 RS4, up into the canyons of Malibu to find out how their newest sport sedan compares to their best sport sedan.
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navigation or not should never be a topic for a car. Engine, suspension, transmission and if time allows sure radio etc talk.
agreed
Haha this video is so old
Agreed
he sold his RS4 for a Hummer and he wants us to listen to his opinion on cars....
fuzzytraveler watch it again. He sold his B6 S4 (V8) for a Hummer. But yeah, still a bonehead decision.
+fuzzytraveler My thoughts exactly.
+crossphaded I'm pretty sure Matt owns plenty of other cars that can fill the spot the Audi left. On the other hand, an h1 is well an h1.
Nate Miller me not la
Made my stomach hurt when he said that
Sold is s4 for a hummer h1? Wtf man???
Right ?!? That's like breaking up with Annabella Sciorra to date Roseanne lol
I love how much Craig talks about his ex wife. Shit cracks me up.
Frankly Im not surprised she ditched that douche of a man. He makes me cringe every time he opens his mouth.
I have an 2010 S4, it's amazing. I love the handling the jump from the supercharger. The mileage is quite decent for a "luxury/sports car".
I have a 2005 S4 Cab. I love it, but reliably is an issue, but I keep fixing it and enjoying
that RS4 badge is completely out of position!
These guys spent so much time on little shit like navigation and the armrests and the sound
why dont they actually talk about the suspension and the gearing and the handling instead of babbling about the stupid satnav
Because they don't know the mechanics of the cars they drive... They are just journalists trying to sound like they know the car. The set up in the RS4 is awesome. All that weight at the front end and yet the balance around corners with the 4 wheel drive system is epic.
Because that's what the buyers focus on, duh...
Craig that the most negative thing bout the car -It's the nose heaviness regardless beeing quattro or not
These comments are 2 years old but ok.... My point was the fact even though it is nose heavy you wouldn't notice as the balance and handling of the car is amazing. Put it around a track with any of its class rivals and it would go round the corners just as good if not better then its rivals. Hats off to the engineers.
Craig idk bout the corner handling, driving a B6 myself btw
My B6 S4 breaks my wallet sometimes, but whenever I think about selling it just puts me in a sour mood. I adore Audis, and will undoubtedly own more, but i'm holding on to that B6 as long as I can.
I've got one ('04) too. I've got 48K on it and bought it new in August. of 2004. I've been fortunate so far. My '07 RS4 isn't running right so I've parked it until I can get some more info on what comes up as a random cylinder mis-fire? It's been great until the day I started it in the garage and it didn't sound right. I cut it off & bought one of those plug in readers to just get an idea of what was going on? It's only got 45K so I'm hoping it's not something too terrible. The day before it did this the check engine light came on but it was running as normal so I thought I'd get the diagnose plug in thing and just see. Then the next day before it arrived the weird start and sound so I turned it right off. I got to the the passenger air bag replaced so I'm thinking just have it hauled to the dealer. BTW, I thought I had the air bag fixed as I took it to the dealer and they performed the replacement. They just forgot to tell me it was a temporary fix and I still had to get the final fix. I only found out because I kept getting notices in the mail so I called Audi and they called me back telling me Birmingham Audi only did a temporary fix. I can't help but think this is pretty lame on the dealership's part as well as Audi who was hounding me to get it fixed so I made an appointment. Never was it told before or after my car was still dangerous as far as the passenger airbag.
@@johnwerner4925 I've gotten misfires due to hitting the 8250 rpm fuel cutoff. If you suspect this may be the case, just clear the code (and shift sooner). If the car actually isn't running right, it may be time to check for carbon buildup (45k miles is about right for that maintenance). Expect to pay about $1200 for that.
I just traded in my 2010 S4 (with all the options) for an 2007 RS4. It was a really difficult trade off. Despite the similar appearances, they are very different cars. The S4 is refined in a way the RS4 isn't. That being said, the RS4 just puts a smile on your face when you drive.
Here's my list:
S4:
- DCG gearbox is amazing, but like any automatic, a bit boring. It's also a bit scary when you consider maintenance costs.
- Longer wheelbase is a bit unwieldy around town.
- Looks more like a luxury car than a sports car.
- Can be tuned to around 400HP for a couple thousand dollars.
- Supercharged V6 has more torque than RS4 V8.
- Awesome touring car. You can live in this thing.
- A few more inches of legroom in back row.
- Torque distribution is mind blowing. It will basically turn into a RWD if you want it to.
- Respectable gas mileage. I've gotten slightly over 30MPG on a 20 mile trip.
- Surprising power. I've blown past cars at 140mph on a 5% uphill grade with no effort.
RS4:
- V8 is awesome. The sound, the high RPMs. The real win here is the upgrade potential. $12K will net you a supercharger that can boost it to 600HP.
- Shorter wheelbase makes it feel more maneuverable, especially in the parking garages where I dinged the wheels on my S4 more than once.
- Great looking stance.
- Not a good touring car. You'll be exhausted after a hundred miles.
- Has more understeer than S4, esp at low speed (tires will shudder around tight corners).
- Gas mileage isn't something you want to think about.
- The interior feels shitty compared to S4 (mine is almost 4 years older, but age isn't all of it).
- Power. Holy shit. Someone in a new WRX tried to race me from a light a few days ago. By the time I shifted into second gear he was at least 3 car lengths behind, by third I could barely see him anymore (I think he gave up about 1/8 mile back).
At the end of the day, I had some remorse over letting go of the S4, but then I realized that I'd put more miles on the RS4 in the first two weeks I owned it than I had in the last two months of owning the S4. It's just that much fun to drive. I literally drive for no reason other than to wind the engine out. Also, I was extremely concerned about maintenance costs on the S4. The DCG transmission, the sports differential... I'm guessing had I held onto it past 100K I'd have regretted it. The RS4 is relatively basic by comparison, and therefore likely to be cheaper to maintain.
If you want a great touring car with respectable power, the B8 S4 is hard to beat. If you want raw power with a lot of upgrade potential, choose the RS4.
+Cliff Wells The problem is the RS4 has that V8 with the timing chains against the firewall. That thing is known to have bad expensive problems. Don't get me wrong, it's a nicer car than the S4, but if you want a reliable audi sports sedan a *manual* B8 S4 is the way to go. The DSG does nullify that a bit as it is failure prone and expensive to fix, but the V8 will cost you a lot more when (not if) those timing chains go wrong.
NorfKhazad I did some research on your claim, and it appears that the timing chain issues are solely applicable to the B7 S4, not the B7 RS4. The 24V V8 in the S4 has plastic guides, the 30V V8 in the RS4 has plastic covered metal guides and doesn't have the same issues.
Further, even for the S4, it appears that these concerns are overstated and result from improper maintenance (e.g. following VAG's stupid 10k oil change intervals rather than the more reasonable 3-5k intervals that most enthusiasts adhere to) or from driving the car too hard when it's cold.
The only known issues for the RS4 relate to the cross-linked suspension, which is typically solved with aftermarket coilovers (already done on my car), a weak clutch slave cylinder (also resolved with aftermarket parts), and rusting issues along the bottom of the doors (mine has a bit of this, although you can't see it unless you lay on your back).
The only articles I could find relating to RS4 timing chains were S4 owners wanting to replace their parts with the improved RS4 parts.
Interesting. I did a bit of reading myself and it sounds like you're correct that the only major issue is the suspension. That puts a B7 RS4 on my list along with the B8 S4. I'll have to see if I can find one to take for a spin at some point. I assumed since they both had the 4.2 V8 that they would have the same issues, but I'm glad I was wrong. Thanks!
are these fake comments? people being helpful in youtube comments? what in the world is happening, the end is nigh etc etc.
good info though gents : )
When the DSG goes bad (it will), expect to dish out >4000USD for the repair
LOL no rear shots of the car whatsoever that's a joke
It would be nice to see a comparison between the 2003 RS6 and 2015 S6.
@350Zed I'm sorry, but people don't realize how hard we work just to make the videos that do get made. Given our tiny crew of 2 and our budget of $0, it's amazing they get made at all. I'm glad our production quality is on par with much bigger budget stuff, but people constantly expect things of us that are way out of our budget just because our shots look great. We do everything we can every time we can to keep you guys informed and entertained.
B6 s4 for a h1 hummer? Tf
that audi engine 4.2 have one of the best engine sound ever.
I can't believe it's been almpst 10 years since I saw this video last time
we are getting old
Dissing his ex wife. Haha, I love this guy.
I've had my b7 RS4 since 2009. My buddy has a 2014 S4 - I've driven both extensively on and off track. There is no comparison between these two cars. The RS4 handles better, brakes better, sounds better, looks WAY better, has more horse power, accelerates better and absolutely destroys the S4 at the top end. A naturally aspirated V8 that revs out at 8,250 rpms with a 70 hp advantage vs. a hopped up A4 with some lazy forced induction, style accents and S lines. The S4 is a mass production car for people who like the idea of owning a sporty car but still have fuel economy in the back of their mind. The b7 RS4 is one of the all time great small sport sedans and will be a sought after collectors car in 20 years. The S4 is just.. well an S4; a car that Audi mass produces every year to appeal to the masses and sell to the masses. Its not special and its not rare. This review is idiotic.
I agree, I love my 2007 RS, the styling is timeless, and even though the B8.5 S4 has more tech, who cares. Lol, the RS4 will be a classic. Mine is bone stock except I ditched the DRC and just threw in Bilteins.
Collectors - for sure... .
+Jared Scharf Lol doing a quick search shows that a 2010 s4 and a 2009 rs4 come up with nearly identical prices, which means if anything its losing value more quickly than its counterpart? collectors my ass lol. You own an old audi that used to be top of the line that just isnt there anymore, get over it. Audi got popular and successful after the fact.
+Hector Espinoza dude don't even comment, there are no 2009 rs4's, you don't even know what your talking about.
2008*
You are absolutely right. The design of the S4 and RS4 is so important and not viewing them from a rear angle during whole 7.39 minutes is ridiculous lack of vital footage.
@VRTEGO75 in 2007, when the RS4 was released, it was the fastest Audi in production. That's what he meant.
"Douchebag Factor"
LMAO.
thats craig lieberman from fast and furious
I ''love'' it how that submariner special edition is ''strategically'' placed on the right wrist closer to the camera.
Great review, the RS4 is in my opinion one of the greatest 4 door sedans of all time. Those flared wheel arches and that sweet v8, the only thing that would make it perfect is a diet of 400lbs and the engine a little further back. Keep em coming guys, really loving the straightforward approach to these reviews, its refreshing to see something that isn't a regurgitation of every car magazine review.
2021 and still gorgeous.
I have owned a 2006 S4 SW for a few years now. She has 220k kms on the clock but a FULL service history and the cam chain followers have been sorted too. She makes horrible fuel mileage but I simply LOVE to drive her!! The ultimate long distance cruiser. Mine is auto and has the light grey Recaro seating plus a sunroof, LOVELY old car. And ps you forgot to mention that the spares for my car are fairly cheap and readily available, not so for the RS cars.
Great episode Matt, been watching you guys since the G419 days, and I can definitely say the show is evolving into something truly awesome. Keep up the great work.
It's awesome how the supercharged V6 in the S4 is nearly as good as the S5 and the RS4!
RS4 is a masterpice. 2022 but i dream at this car everyday. work of art
@racewithferrari S4, the interior is much more interesting, the seats are better, and the AWD system is superior to BMW's. Only way I'd take the bimmer is if I wanted to put a bunch of aftermarket stuff on it, as that engine has more tuning potential.
The RS4 I would take over any new S4 any day, looks better, sounds better, and I wouldn't regret buying it. It's stupid that Audi hasn't figured out the oil consumption issue yet. Other better cars like BMW and Mercedes-Benz don't have issues like those, because they work them out. The oil consumption issue has been there for years Audi, figure it out. The 4.2 litre is beast and one of the best engines.
The really like the older Audi's !
My S4 has the 4.2v8, 150,000kms does not burn oil.
However I think superchargers burn some oil though.
Spirited Driver Thats normal for a supercharged/turbo cars...that means that the oil is doing its job.
Im British and grew up with Top Gear, this video could give those guys a run for their money.. great video guys, very informative.
So i just found this video, no idea why it showed up in my feed today. And then I just realized that is Craig Lieberman lol.
Even after all these years this early smoking tire stuff is still absolute quality
Moaning about the Bose stereo quality when driving the V8 makes no sense to me!
Alfa_Driver It sounds pretty good honestly once you have a proper audio source and not FM radio. But yes, totally agree!
I bought an Android head unit (Xtrons, looks close to stock), but it's just for navigation. The V8 is the only appropriate music for this car.
@@wellscliff I went on to own a B7 S4 Avant after this video, and I don't know what that guy Craig is going on about, the Bose system sounded fine! Sold it and driving other things now 😁
@@ironingbored It all depends on what you're used to. Going from the B&O system in the B8 S4 to the Bose in the B7 RS4 made the difference in audio quality painfully apparent. If you're happy with the Bose, don't listen to a B&O. It'll save you money ;-)
But the fact is, the Bose system sounds much better than the Concert systems in other Audis of the era, so it's certainly not bottom of the heap by any means.
@@wellscliff agreed, compared to something more modern like a B&O system or Bowers & Wilkins, the B6/B7 Bose shows its age. However, the noise from the NA V8 is far superior to the B8s Bi Turbo V6, so it's swings and roundabouts I guess! 🙂
I will love to see b5 rs4 vs b7 rs4 :)
1:49 to 1:52 that pearl jam's "alive" tatoo fu****** rocks man, I love the vid, i own a audi s3, but when I saw that tatoo I got really happy!!!
trying to decide between b8 s4, s6, or b7 rs4. I feel like each car has its ups and downs and being in the midwest its hard to come by exactly what you want. Maybe just wait for a little more hp in the s6.
What year s6? Repairs on that thing have an astronomical price tag. Just a single headlight assembly is well over $1k. Maybe depends on a specific one, but it's very sensitive (throws in different fault codes occasionally)
10 years later and still great content
that matte black miata was pretty gangsta looking. nice cameo
@naikmichel wagons are awesome, because they add nearly everything you get with a sport utility vehicle, but with the driving dynamics of the sedan. Plus, they fly below the police radar.
Wrong! Wagons don't look good or sexy and that's why people buy "Sports Sedans / Coupes" over a homely Wagon.
Craig seems very unlikeable...
LOL
Craig is getting a lot of hate though?
3900 pounds? That's a cheap car lol
Weight...
+S18 jokes
Kevin O'Byrne I had no idea I was actually in the market for an RS4 😆
I was blessed enough to be taken on the track @ thunderhill in the Rs4 and there was no compation the s4 was awsome but the Rs4 was just a whole differant level of crazy sick fast it just stuck better and held on at the limit with less im gonna die feeling
Matt, glad to see some besides myself that has a real love for wagons. They're so useful, so practical, and in my eyes, looks much better than a sedan. I'm only 24, and I'm pretty sure I'm going to be a wagon owner all my life.
Now they need to make a Mazdaspeed6 wagon, and I'd be set!
The 4.2 V8 engine of the RS4 with the design of the B8 S4 and you win 🔥👌🏻
Needing oil after 1500 miles? Something wrong there, i go from service to service without my B6 S4 needing any
I would rather go for a B5 S4 sedan converted to RS4. That thingie will never get old!
@kinderutz if they aren't gripping, yes. that's exactly what they do. The power goes to whatever wheels have the most grip.
b6 s4 + straight pipes = hell
@kinderutz he was actually wrong. the torque vectoring system can send 100% of the power to EITHER OF THE REAR WHEELS not the front. It can send up to 70% to the front axle, 85% to the rear axle, or 100% to either rear wheel. I've sold Audi's for 7 years now.
how many of us have been waiting for this vid?! great job fellas. looking at the rs4 and new s4 side-by-side, i now know i'd pay a premium just for the rs4's cleaner look (no silly led lights), the puffed out arches and of course the menacing 4.2 v8.
The trunk may be big but the interior is not roomy like this guy claims. The back seat is pretty much a joke
What back seat
I remember watching this 10 years ago 😂😂🤣
He did talk about performance, listen again to the positive stuff he said.
Craig is a awesome addition to the show. he is a very knowledgeable person.
Look how much bigger the new one is!
I'm a B5 S4 Avant owner and I can't tell you how much I wish they still brought 'em over in wagon form.
the looks of that car sells itself
Great episode, guys. Love that Craig was on camera. Keep forcing him there... he did awesome!
Seeing an RS4 is like seeing a celebrity.
Watching this in 2017, Holy Cow those side burns Matt! Superb!
I like BOSE, I find that generally BOSE systems are quite balanced, and go bloody loud without distorting, at low volumes it can seem that the lows and highs are a bit weak but that has more to do with how your ears work than the speakers
that blue RS4 is one hell of car my friends
5 Things We Didn't Like About The S4:
1. Exhaust Sound
2. Nagging GPS
3. Burns oil
4. Exhaust Sound
5. Can't Buy The Wagon in USA
USELESS REVIEW!!!!!
Exactly! All those reasons are irrelevant to me, not even downsides. The B8 sounds incredible with an AWE exhaust and a Roc Euro intake
you said exhaust sound twice
Very true. I would swap a minor armrest issue for the pain of a valve cleaning any day.
Great vid, pleasure to watch. Thanks boys!
@TheSmokingTire No need to get defensive. I did enjoy your review very much, and I'm envious that you got to drive the monster RS4 back-to-back with brand-new S4. Thanks for an entertaining vid, and keep up the good work!
Monsieur Farrah should go on TopGear UK to show he is awesome, and that he got hosed over for TopGear US! Clarkson and the other blokes would love it. This show needs to happen! Who agrees?!?!?
Because you dont like the sound doesnt mean is a problem fam.
I absolutely love my B7 S4, there is no substitute for that european V8 sound, it sounds amazing. The armrest is a glaring issue which can be a pain at times, but other than that the car is perfect!
2 cars , 2 jewelry from AUDI , that is the real cars . Only Audi can do this . Congratulations !👏👏👏👏👏
@maxmays1 It's The Smoking Tire, thanks. And good luck showing any smoking tires in two All-Wheel-Drive cars.
The Smoking Clutch
I too want exact details that I can look up myself!
I just like to hear the exact details said to me over and over again so I can check them and feel good about myself!
Damn these guys with their "big picture thinking" and "general principals"!
When i see car shows like this, i love Top Gear even more.
The RS4 is so much hotter. Wide flares, aggressive front end and it sounds amazing. The new A4 body style doesn't appeal to me that much, it looks too generic and I have to agree with you on the rear end, it looks like it's sagging. Although I really like the exhaust tips on the S4(quads vs 2 ovals).
p.s.: Thank you Matt for keeping this show going. I've been really enjoying it ever since you restarted it on your own. Oh and it gives me something to watch until a new Top Gear season starts :P
that E-brake armrest battle has been raging since the 90's! My 1993 S4 has the same exact issue, but since im always shifting, and usually have a dog in the back seat, the upright arm rest is a great buffer anyways
+m8sullivan I have a b6 s4, never noticed it lol. My biggest complaint is the cup holders suck.
thx for the good work :) I'm not to used to such good low budget rewiews from the usa. keep going :)
Great vid - but why is the video quality poor? Normally your vids are top notch!
Watching this 10 years later and said holy shit that’s Craig 😂
That oil burning is a non-issue if the engine is properly broken in. Matt said they had to add a quart after only 1500 miles. I have a 2013 S4 with the same engine. I am about to change my oil at 5000 miles and its still pegged at full. The break in will create or cure the issue that Matt experienced.
that's where the difference come in the s4 isn't the replacement for the b7 rs4. the 2010 rs5 is the replacement. the s4 replaces the b7 s4 and the reason they went for the v6 is because of co2 emissions. the rs5 as all or some of you know use exactly the same engine as the b7 rs4 only difference is that the block is of a lighter material and they installed a other fuel management system which means better fuel consumption with more power and less co2 emissions.
"I had an ex-wife that wouldn't shut up when I drive" ... LOL he seemed mad.
So 2 of the 5 things you hate about the B8 S4 is about how the car sounds? That's not bad at all considering you can always go aftermarket for an exhaust and intake that will bring out the supercharger whine. It won't sound like a V8, but it'll still sound great.
@TheSmokingTire - Yup that was the solution! That's why I've watched every single video you guys have put out.
Thumbs up yet again guys!
Absolutly great movie thank you so much
Loved the episode ! 6:58 awesome camera shot ! Keep it up
I have a '07 S-Line A4 Quattro 3.2, Yes it does burn oil maybe half a quart- 3/4 between 10k oil changes.
Man, your videos are awesome!
"It has a very low douschebag factor" - Ha! Friggin' hillarious.
the sound of the 4.2 v8 is in my opinion is one of the best but the new one has more fuel economy and is better.
audi's burn oil for the first 2000 miles or so, you need to break in the car hard after 1000 miles to prevent any other oil burn. my vw burnt half a quart in the first 1000 miles, then ran the engine very hard. I haven't burned a drop ever since
good review. the rs4 in sprint blue is one of the most desireable cars ever. if i had the cash id get that rs4 and put an aftermarket exhaust in it as my daily driver.
Love the 2008 rs4. That 4.2 v8 sounds godly
My friends dad got drunk and told me to drop him in his RS4 at a party and take the car back to my house he came got it 2 days later, i swear i only drove it to the party and to my house ;)
A quick tune in that S4 and it will blow the RS4 off the road. But damn that RS4 is stunning
yea you can really tell the difference on the exhaust note.
If I had this job, id flip off the cliff trying to impress people.
Best video about Audi's ever
Another great episode Matt!
Craig was a surprise, well spoken and insightful. Is he going to be a permanent addition to the show?
Great video guys! thanks for all the info!!!!!!!!!
yeah i wish they would bring back the audi wagons.. i miss the bi-turbo v6 sleeper of the advent in america