THE Most DESTRUCTIVE Mentality in League of Legends! (Must Watch)
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- The Most Destructive Mentality in League of Legends
Learn How Your MENTALITY Is Holding You BACK!
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This one is a must watch until the end, trust us junglers! (And laners, so you stop flaming your junglers :D)
can i play thresh as 1v9 supp
is VI still good for this style ? she doesnt scale well to late game though...
I never thought about objectives like that. When you out it the way you do, I can see that it is exactly what happens. Thanks for this,I'll definitely be giving my jungle duo herald gold so his kindred can scale up.
Hey Skill Capped, quick question. Would Shyvana jungle be an exception to the rule about dragons? Because she gains a lot of power from doing dragons. So in a way prioritizing dragons for her is improving her power a lot for the late game. Plus she can take them so fast that she doesn't always lose out on a lot if you time it correctly.
Can I aks question ? What about Warwick ? Warwick can do dragon kinda fast in early game. Is it worth to take it ,or is better just go full clear ?
Skillcapped 2040: we sent hector to play a game of league in Mars without oxygen tank while fighting the aliens
in low elo
XD
best comment ever on this chanel!!!
Made me laugh real hard
proving that mars aliens lose to easy fundamentals
Next: We asked hector to smurf without a keyboard to show you dont need abilities to win
Thanks for the good guide as usual skill capped :)
I mean if you are playing Yummi than sure....
I mean.... Most of my abilities are on my mouse thumb buttons. So a keyboard isn't required. Get one of the MMO designed ones and all of League could be done with just the mouse.
Even if it only has 4 buttons, just don't get items with actives. I'm sure there's a few builds for that.
@@walkelftexasranger Funny story, there is actually a guy who plays draven and yuumi at the same time and made it to high plat that way LOL
i bet good adc can carry low elo without leveling ablities at all. At least on some champions
Don't gank, don't do objectives
gotchu
Oddly enough, this is every Silver/Gold junglers mentality.
lol just play 1v9 and carry the game yourself
Dinistro x 5:53
Without duo's you cant expect to rely on your teammates unless you get a smurf anyhow. So being selfish is an option in randoms.
@@chrishaugh1655 That's not true at all. I just recently smurfed and passing through gold (in maybe like 15 games) I found a lot of junglers just recalling and going straight to dragon when it spawns (even a rammus no joke). Gold elo is definitely still a group of players who dont know how to play the game, but kind of know how to play their champion decently.
I don't have the skills, but at least I have that self destructive mentality!
If you can't destroy your enemies you might as well destroy yourself
I've learned more in these 16 minutes, than nearly 4 hours of today's online classes
I have 11 hours of online classes and I’m just asking myself WHY
facts
"Hector gets to lane, press E, and walks towards the enemy team missing every Q but win the fight regardless, what an exceptional talent"
Hahah
Such a dumb example, of course he wins, he is playing karthus; the most toxic jungler atm:
-farm simulator, but has pressure because he can simply press R.
-Every second enemy jungler spends on "not farming" karthus gets bigger lead.
- Since kart has giga scaling you cant just afk farm because kart outscales, buttt you cant gank either because kart will outscale you even faster.
The circlejerk of toxicity, better nerf irelia!
@@Nobody-hc1rw kindred shits on karthus tho
@@Nobody-hc1rw Just counterjungle him. That's how you beat a Karthus. S10 is a farming/counterjungling meta. Just mute your teammates and don't gank.
@@mikemartin6748 Botlane runs it down, mid gets solo killed early, top never has prio because of a matchup (teemo/darius/garen etc.) Meaning kart gets to invade but you dont, what then?
I totally agree with all of that. But league is a mental game. Often, the team that loses too many objectives will rage or give up.
If you want to climb you gotta carry
@@garagavia yes making 2 people run it down or rage quit just by taking 2 dragons a tier 2 turret can make u win and gain some elo as well.
@@mohamadzakaria96 Hector muted them. You have the same option in all your games. They run it down? Report and move on. Carry the next game and win. As you said it's a mental game so I don't see the reason you're letting them get to you.
@@mohamadzakaria96 Good luck with that
League games are more coin flip than two face
I love how they roast Hector the entire time but do it to emphasize that sometimes even he misplays
It's becoming a regular meme on this chanel, the hector's leona support video was even more hilarious
Self destructive mentality... I'll admit I suffer from that a lot
Gotta stop firing etherion man
Thats crazy. This is the last place I expected to see you
Are you GOD?
wtf u comment on over half of every youtube video i have ever seen
please tell me, should i be surprised if i see you on a Dota2 video? you're everywhere dude
This absolutely shattered what I thought I knew about the game. I got my priorities in the wrong place but it's difficult when you don't know what you don't know. I like hearing from smurfs for that reason
Dont give a shit about anyone but yourself imagine playing funnel but without the duo take everything you can and make less mistakes and just carry single handedly.
it's hard man, because doing the opposite of what this video says is actual the correct way to play league of legends (tournament level 5v5 pro play)
but solo queue is ligit it's own little circus freak show, and we have to adapt to that crap
LamixFace Bro when you actually get to Challenger and start playing in pro play thats when you should start playing like that.
@@krimtok8384 u didn't read my whole comment hey?
LamixFace Oops lol
I‘ve got to say, as a dia/master main jungler i dissagree with the mentality that dragons are useless, in the example you showed theres a hard smurfing karthus, they would have lost weather olaf took his jungle or not.
Also theres other weird choices, i smurf alot to play with my friends and i have the same mentality as hector, but if theres 10 equal players things like heralds or dragons do matter alot.
Seems like an odd & rather pointless video to me, but please correct me if im wrong im not saying i know it all ;)
You're right they're undervaluing objectives. Everyone on your team benefits from a dragon so if you can secure it its worth it but if you can't a dragon or two usually feels fine to give away as long as its not an infernal or ocean.
The point is that helping your teammates is an investment. If it does not pay off, it's a loss.
If you're high elo then maybe you can trust your teammates to push the lead you give them, but if you're silver scrub like me it's better to just keep all the resources since the only one you can trust is yourself. Once I climb high enough that helping my teammates pays off more, then I will change my strategy.
I hear that alot from my friends that are silver, i see the point but its basically nonsense.
Your mates are better but so are your enemies which makes it the same principle as in silver. Its just a stable win condition, imagine haviing 3 drakes while being even and the enemys having 3 drakes while youre a bit ahead.
The team with the 4th drake is most likely gonna win since in silver all you do is play aram in lategame ^^.
Greetings
@@migu3593 Your diamond teammates are less likely to lose because of dumb decisions and lack of knowledge.
If you give them an advantage they will probably not waste it.
@@migu3593 If I play in a selfish way like the video suggests, I am more likely to lose because of my mistakes than the mistakes of my teammates, and that is a plus in low elo.
I think that the anti-objective game play recommendations are exaggerated to an extreme in this video. Saying that dragons do literally nothing is incorrect, and saying that rift heralds only use is to funnel solo gold on laners is also only part of the truth. You lose some credibility when you make claims like that.
Low mmr games without challenger smurfs typically have more even handed teams, leading to longer game times. There is a substantial portion of those games upon which dragon soul will be relevant. I agree that individual buffs are low impact. Can a low mmr player recognize which games necessitate taking dragons for late game insurance vs the immediate benefit of counter jungling a scaling jg pick like karthus? Probably not, but thats not because dragon is worthless, its because the individual player may be outclassed and is deficient in macro knowledge.
Also, rift herald is used for opening the map. Taking early turrets and allowing the team to push into the enemy jungle for wards/plays is as relevant in low mmr as it is in high mmr. This should be especially important when a jungler is playing a selfish playstyle, as being able to roam more safely into the enemy jungle to look for skirmishes/picks will help to accelerate your lead.
That isn't to say there isn't any truth in the video, but you should be able to give players a better/more nuanced analysis on early game jungle macro decisions than just saying "Challenger smurf with challenger level mechanics doesn't need objectives to carry his team to victory, therefore you shouldn't either."
This is correct.
Especially in low elo in an equally matched game, the low benefits of an ocean or inferno drake, can decide the outcome of a top lane fight as an example. Which sure, doesn´t win you as a jungler the game, but it helps your team and their mentality.
Which leads to the mentality in low elo. If you "refuse" to gank and/or do objectives, it is very likely that someone is "giving up" and ruins the game for you, no matter how strong you will become!
You don't get it, they are strictly talking about early game dragons, they are "totally useless" because in their scenario where you give up 1/2 drakes for an early game lead on a scaling/snowball/1v9 champion they will NEVER allow further drakes to be taken by the enemy team, and i do agree with that, if you scale properly in a low elo game you should be able to kill the mid game drakes, and if you fail then it means it is probably your fault(not 100% obviously, but you did something wrong) and thus the reason you lost the game.
This man wrote a whole essay
@@zed9937 keep down will ya?! And buy a shirt Amigo. atpRtsd
I like to think doing an early drag or 2 puts this kinda imaginary pressure on the enemies to match it or risk losing soul so they go for risky plays and setups that free you up to invade gank ect
>queues up into ranked
>kills Master Yi early as Graves
>steals Master Yi's camps
>Team rages over you not taking the 'so important' dragon
>tilt from their lack of knowledge
>never again.
Same
bruh just "/mute all" them lol
11:02 yeah it might take 20-30 min to get 4 drakes but in low elo games usually take around 50 min.
So even if it will take 30 min to get 4 drakes, I think it's still worth cuz you will have dragon soul for almost half of the match.
I'm guessing that Hector was too good for low elo and all his games ended in 20+ min.
Hold up, low elo is "Diamond and below"?
Isn't that like... 98% of the playerbase?
More like you need to be top 4000 out of 25 000 000 or ur low elo :))
This video is a really hard pill to swallow- hopefully that means I learn something from it and start forcing myself to think more in my games. While I find that I definitely overvalue objectives to the point of chain inting, I don’t have confidence in my abilities to 1v9 or even successfully gank. Sometimes it feels like I am just looking to get carried. I play primarily Warwick and secondary Yi pretty exclusively. I’m also only level 37 unranked so I definitely have time to change my habits before they set in fully.
Pick a champion you like watch detailed guides on him and how pros play him and you'il reach at least diamond. Got d4 season 8 and 9 this way playing ww only. Good luck
Theres a guy who made an hour and a half Warwick in depth video. You should probably watch it, idk who made it but I'm sure it's the only warwick tutorial that long lol
@@omghalo3rocks You're thinking of parnellyx, and I agree, that vid is awesome.
ivan rodriguez yeah that’s one of my favorite league vids so far, parnellyX basically made a Warwick movie with all the effort he put in
Don't worry fam, with that mindset you're already ahead of 90% of your fellow bronzies
except there is also a consistent treading in low elo and it's game that drag for way too long. Ocean Soul is a pretty much a guaranted win with most comps, infernal with high amount of CC and the 2 others also hit hard situationnaly.
your games drag on for too long because none of you have the knowledge or skill to just carry and get on with it. It happens with every skill based game. If you want to climb you have to carry.
Problem with this playstyle is, you gotta be in control of the map. Yeah you can get strong to a certain point, but if your team get too behind (which happens a lot at platinum and below), the enemy team will get control of your own jungle and deny you from power farming. What would you do then?
I agree, while you steal camps, yasuo mid will be 10/0 and will be "even more" strong. Especially with the solo xp being increased by 20% this patch.
I think you must balance between ganks and farming depending on how well your teamates behave.
It’s like splitpush, it only works if your team knows how to handle it. If they engage 4v5 everytime, you just auto-loose the game. having top and bot inhib while ennemies push mid with baron and 5 man alive. Eventually, you see "DEFEAT" on your screen.
but do you find any other better way to play in that situation? your teammates may win or lose, there are time when it hard or easy. you cant expect a same result all the time. keep play the right way, if your skill improved you will lose less and win more. it simple
Right. So if you go karthus and decide to afk farm for 20 minutes, the enemy can be 100 cs behind, but now 5 players have ocean soul and will make your game harder because you didn't want to spend 2 minutes doing dragons.
This means the game is unwinnable simple as that. You expend your lead when the time is ripe. See that Karthus running down mid and getting a double? How about the Hec and Graves clips? It's not as if you'd farm the entire game thinking you're playing Harvest Moon. If it comes to the point that your team fed the enemy so hard that power farming and being a 1v9 champ isn't enough then just move on.
You are wrong. If you can have prio in jungle, it means you already stronger than their jungler -> no way your enemy teams can control your jungle unless you play with 4 bots.
Or you fk up and throw leads. Just watch tarzaned. He is perfect example of this mindset.
Or Sofm
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Hit the nail on the head here. I bought a League of Legends T shirt to support the Bahamas Relief Foundation. Not a single refund opportunity or item was shipped to me even aften being endorsed by a big name Rick Fox. They pretend to help you when you publicly call them out on Twitter but nothing comes of it. It's pure marketing and shallow behaviour.
I am in EUNE Gold 3 - Gold 2 and MOST of my games are decided by dragon souls! They are extremely important! Not the first 2 drakes, no those are pointless but the soul with 3-4 drakes of that kind, THAT'S GAME CHANGING! Most games we're either even or losing, rarely snowballing hard, but we win in the mid-to-late game because of our decisions in which dragons to take and when. And we go either from losing to even (which still gives you better chances of winning), from losing to winning or from even to winning.
Hecter just seems like a chiller
,
I’d watch his stream.
Watching skillcapped videos day after day... still feeding my ass off every game
skillcapped talks too much like a smurf perspective.
@@MrMonozzz That's so true. So many guides like this one emphasize on solo carrying your game, as if hardstuck low elo players were secretly much better than everyone else in their Elo but they dont 1v9 properly. This doesn't teach how to get better, it teaches how to carry better when u are the best player already.
@@thomasb5307 But that is literally how you carry in low elo, what is the alternative way, hope that your teammates will carry you? "Smurf perspective" in the videos context means just what you should do to win, if u do that, you climb. I mean, if you execute that strategy in the video you will be the best player in your low elo game, so... xd
*Do you seriously learn anything ABT LULU JUNGLE?!?!?!?*
@@masaboih I am sorry to say this but if u apply this video advice u rely on ur team way more. U basically ask them not to lose their lane without your help while they get ganked by the ennemy jungler. U also ask them not to give up on you as you prove them to be useless in the early game.
Awesome! I really needed this as a diamond support that often tries to get my team to contest dragons we shouldn't contest. I've become good at stealing them, but high risk/low reward plays are not a good habit for higher ranks. I think these videos help me develop my macro game sense far better than the mechanical outplays that got me my diamond borders. With some self-evaluation, thoughtful tweaking of my gameplay and advice like yours I aim for masters this season!
i am a singed main, and what i use dragons for is to sit outside of enemy vision, and ping my teamates to start dragon. since my champion is so strong in teamfights, when the enemy contests dragon, i tend to wipe the enemy team.
I went from Iron to gold with a similar playstyle, for anyone hard stuck In iron, IGNORE all your teammates, mute them right away disable chat and never help them lol, never do objectives just farm farm farm, jumped from iron to low bronze over a weekend with a 90% winrate, and then bronze to gold was easy enough following the playstyle above, love the guides Skill Capped!
My rules for objectives:
Take if its free
If you cant fight their team give it to them, but do something meaningful in the meantime.
Dont take the first dragon unless youve got nothing better to do
Depending on your champ, prioritize Farm over ganks.
Dont forget this is for low elo, in mid to high elo this does not apply anymore
6:58 my god what are they doing to Hector D:
Tbh the most important thing about doing dragons is the morale boost it does for your team and the opposite effect on enemy team. Many players start spamming FF or griefing after enemy team has done 2 Dragons. They stop cooperating as a team and sometimes even trolling. Classic solo Q
Very true
as a high gold player, i had tried explain to my plat friend that objects are not that important but doesnt go anywhere. they will just go full toxic when our jungle lose 2 dragon. low elo player dont know what is wrong and if their rank are high enough, they stop questioning or allow other to question themself too
Thanks for this guide, when i play Kayn (specifically red kayn), I am always in dilemma should I go try to steal drake 1v4 or just mute my teammates and counterjungle.
From Virkayu guides, I learned not to stress over first two drakes, but its hard in gold elo to mute and ignore people. They start taking ur jungle, while their waves crash under tower and lose half hp whilst doing it. I feel like sometimes, no matter how ahead I am, your teammates just dont want you to win. Recently I played ap Shyvana, I was 4 lvls above enemy Wukong and had most kp and most farm on map. My team surrendered 4/1 at 25 min...
While I get a lot out of these videos, I always wonder if you should break low elo up into two seperate groups. Something like low elo being diamond, gold, and possibly silver and something like base or basic elo being iron, bronze, or silver here. Players in iron and bronze need different “lessons” to improve vs. players in gold and diamond. I could be wrong, but my experience in game as a player and as a teacher in real life leads me to believe the player groups would be better helped if split up in your content.
What about the tower objectives? those are very important... when you say objectives you should just say dragon and herald.
Often low elo junglers stay in lane to "help take the tower" splitting exp and gold, and damaging a tower that was going down anyway. Maximising farm is often better than taking a tower. However if you get a pick on a laner, it is some times worth it to help laners take the tower so they get a beter recall.
Jungler should "stay near" (doing scutle, camps or so) but not necessarily hitting the turret.
MR and armor of turrets depends of the number of ennemies nearby if I remember it right. So being multiple people decrese the damage each ppl do, so only interesting to be 2 or 3 ppl if it’s the first tower and you are "racing" to have it, opponents being on the other sides, in my humble opinion.
For early game drags are semi-important. I've won plenty of games where the focus was on towers and getting Barron. If your team sucks and constantly feeds the dragon buffs means nothing.
@@natking1u1z99 "Overestimating them is dangerous" but as much as underestimating them.
Especially has having too little drake put pressure on you "we must avoir them the soul" but yes, getting first and second drakes aren't game breaking.
It's like everything in this game (except riot patches) : Balance.
I feel like you made videos that are the exact opposite of what you gave us here.
they said in the beginning that they have? There is multiple ways to play LoL and there is not 1 strat or rule that is going to be the constant end all be all. Other than killing the nexus. regadless they are just giving another way to play the game.
it's very useful and i feel agreed about it once i saw this video first time, thanks for the video !
I tried this and the first game I went 15/2 on Xin. Not a perfect champ for it but I was going 1v4 and winning easy. However, it tilted my Varus to the point of almost quitting. He said I was being selfish and egotistical because I did not show up to take dragon or fight random skirmishes in the river. What I WAS doing was counter jungling Rammus so hard he was level 12 when I was 16 so he had zero impact on the game.
Anyway, this method of play definitely will get you results but people DO NOT like it and its not unlikely that you'll get flamed for doing it. I guess that's why the mute button exists.
Question: How do you know enemy jungle is up? maybe you waste 20 seconds trying to find enemy camps and you do not find any. I'm a d4 player, need to improve, but think that dragons are worth it. It also has an effect on allies, because dragons are related to winning and having advantage. Boosting allies confidence can end up in much easier games.
TL,DW; How to carry as a selfish jungler.
1) Pick champions that have fast clear speed and scale hard into the late game.
2) Only gank if you have a reasonable chance of killing the enemy lane and/or if it's part of an efficient route.
3) If your lane dies, catch the waves to accelerate your scaling.
4) Only go for objectives if you can do them without wasting too much time.
4.1) If you find the enemy jungler wasting time on objectives, invade their jungle.
Just bought your courses today, loving it so far! keep it up guys
I can confirm that this does work in low elo even if you choose a suboptimal pick like Elise, which is my one-trick. I just got out of a game where the enemy team was 10/0 at around 12 minutes, they took an inhib at 16 minutes, but we won at 21 minutes. I finished with more CS and more gold than any other player. The most difficult part of this strategy is keeping your head on straight when things start to go south. Mute all is essential - but if someone on your team does something good, tell them.
ty so much skillcapped, i used to carry platinum and diamonds til i got mmr problems by not caring about the game anymore and literally trolling for fun. I felt like i couldve climbed way more with my winrates but didnt have the nerves to get out of mmr hell. so i opened a new account and leveld it. So far everything way easy, til i reached silver elo in ranked (after like 4 games i guess), and then it began: i couldn't win a game by actually doing the casual stuff, the normal jungle difference plays, that would easily win me the game, so i kind of had a mental breakdown, because i couldn't carry as a good player and that in one of the worst elos possibly! this video changed my approach completely. First game 9/0.
Skillcapped 2023: We sent hector into hell with a double barrel to duo lane against all the demons in hell with the doom slayer as ADC, here's how hector carried.
Thinking one LOL match will get me in the mood to do my assignments. Destructive mentality.
Awesome video, I seriously needed the motivational support ngl
i think this is 1 of your best videos . details and pressure can take the best of low elo players. is good to be reminded what is important and why
This dragon info is massive but please god can we get info about objective priority at different times during the game
what i tend to do is purposefully give away the first one or 2 dragons depending on how late it is in the game, pretty much guaranteeing 3/4 stacks of any drake. what do you think of this ?
I applied many of Hector's tips and my jungling go soooo much better but also people start flaming you like hell because they're so used to one type of ineffective jungling.
I absolutely agree with this. I play mainly top, but jng is my second role and i see the most success when playing Ekko or Kha, powerfarming and only going for "greedy ganks" (ganks that will give me some form of advantage immediately), powerfarming more, thinking about dem Dragons only when the opponent is on 3/4 and being strong enough to 1v1 and 1v2 anyone in the enemy team.
Objectives are good, but i usually think of them lke a dessert. You dont want too much of it since it's gonna hurt you long term and you only get it after eating your meal.
Ok i have to admit i always get bored with guides and stuff like that but this was insane,i’m a s1/g4 jungler main (pretty garbage i know) but i never thought that maybe instead of SUPER effort for try insane things i was missing the main point: focus on simple things,first time i feel like a guide actually opened my mind
i think what most people mean when they say objectives > kills is that you should spend 10 seconds taking dragon instead of 30 seconds chasing their tryndamere around the jungle. thanks for giving more nuanced advice!
This lesson is so good! I can't count how many times I threw My lead because My team wanted to go drake and I was stupid enough to follow :(
That last one, feels bad when playing Shyvana man.
There aren't so many matches when one team gets dragon soul, but people sometimes get tilted when the enemy team already has 2 and they have 0. (Being positive is always good.)
I'm currently in an elo I can usually do anything so I don't know what is ideal, but will think about this.
this guide was absolutely fantastic! i used this strategy with Sett jungle and I was amazed! the late game destruction is absolutely phenomenal despite my top and bot lane flaming me! keep up the good work!
I'm so glade you made this, I've always been a little skeptical about dragons for example, but never knew how to really go about it , so thanks a lot!
I like how people define the bottom 99% as Low ELO. That statistically makes zero sense.
i know, it tilts me as well - low elo is clearly silver and below, average elo is gold and plat and high elo is diamond and above
@@Blazervitch honestly when you reach grandmaster or master, the difference between an average diamond player that has never gotten above it and an average master/grandmaster player is actually very apparent. So it is only reasonable that diamond below is considered low elo. Even a Diamond 1 player and a Diamond 4 player have quite a skill gap.
@@zo9512 Exactly. Even thought it doesn't statistically make sense, the skill difference increases so exponentially. I feel like between D4 and masters there is equal skill difference to d4 - silver.
@@zo9512 yes sure, but thats like saying everyone who isn't top tier is low elo, which statistically isn't true, you can't call 99.99% of the player base low elo
@@Blazervitch Well, it doesn't make statistically sense because diamond being low elo is not a statistical indicator. It is indicator of similar mistakes/how to win and carry etc., which apply very similarly from bronze to diamond. After that, the game drastically changes and becomes much more advanced by all standards rather exponentially.
Actually a better title for this video would be "Why dragons are pointless in season 10"
Except he didn’t really explain it very well. All the dragons seem really good to me, especially an ocean first. It’s much easier to stay healthy with so much extra healing.
@@slain4ever its not that its completly useless but more that by the time you finish the first drake ( when you are still weak and need 3 guys at least) you 3 can farm or counter jungle und gaim much much more for the early/mid game which decides 90% of Solo Q and after you are in control of the game because eveyy lane and the jungler have more EXP and Gold you can just take evey drake till soul
This is why I personally play Jax Jungle In Iron up to Plat.
Because it is a scaling champion and it has a decent camp clear.
Plus, not many players know how to play against him. Which can also be arguably be considered a 1v9 Champion.
Towers were not mentioned in this video, but the concept still applies. Often low elo junglers stay in lane to "help take the tower" splitting exp and gold, and damaging a tower that was going down anyway. Clearing jungle is often better than taking a tower. However if you get a pick on a laner, it is some times worth it to help laners take the tower so they get a beter recall. As a jungler you can enable your laners to pressure towers by ganking their lanes, but it is very rarely a good idea to help taking the tower yourself. Rare exceptions are for instance when first turret is contested by both teams.
taking a tower has multiple "uses". Its not only gold (A LOT of gold with platings), but also opens up the map.
Opening up the map not only gives u more vision , but also turns "their" jungle into your own.
So, yeah, prioritizing turrets after ganks or enemy roams is the best option. It doesnt funnel money, BUT, opens up more income options, wich ends up funneling more gold into you...
Idk going 14 and 2 after a rough start and having your 0 and 6 cait bot lane run it down side lanes while you're up huge because god forbid you took your own red buff at 15 minutes doesn't help either.
Id also love to point out cloud dragon on execute ults is wonderful..... having a 25 second or lower cho ult when he has 8k or more hp is a beautiful thing to witness.
So from my understanding, dragons are only good if you can take it quickly while fed(free drag) or when playing AD tank Shyvana
You guys forgot one condition: it's low elo. As a jungler in low elo, if you didn't gank or get objectives, your team mates will always spam chat (yeah you can mute it ofc) and then tilt, or even worse: rage quit. You can't say "just farm yourself into a 1v9 late in the game" because most of low elo player wouldn't understand that, they think you ignore them and then most of the time they tilt, ends in feeding the enemies more and your late game stats is no longer viable because of that.
They even don't understand when I counter jungle the other part of the map when the enemy gank the other. Since I'm to far anyway I decide to counter jungle and stole camps from enemy jungler, but nope, my team didn't understand and keep flaming me, and then tilt so hard they keep feeding and feeding.
I've been telling myself dragons were underwhelming and never helping me winning games. Winning games in low elo is only about pressure now
And rift herald
That shit gets you full turret plating golds so easily if you let turrets drop to killing range
@@dizzyheads Yet rift herald isn't that much taken in low elo
@@dizzyheads Takes so much time to kill it while you can just farm enemy jungle with the less amount of time and deny them gold and exp too. While herald doesn't deny enemy anything.
since season 10 started, I have been busting my ass over drakes, losing games thinking it's because I didn't get them, flaming my teammates like a Brand for not contesting drakes, throwing leads and feeding just for the chance to to get drake and always saying"it was worth it" when I fail......
And now you're telling me that this mentality and all of my endless hours of frustration were pointless because drakes ain't shit worth my time?
reality is not what I believed for so long, I feel my world falling apart....could it be...I could change this?...dear god!!!
Was worth it
Lol i HATE the team wipe for dragon mentality and I was so happy to hear that other people did as well.
Bro i take herald cause I want a pet and it's nice to sneak a surprise inhibitor or tower every now and again, if you give it 2 minutes the low elo players forget you even got it in the first place. The bad part is that this hurts warding potential though.
I totally see what you mean, I had an amumu start dragon by himself while I was walking to lane. My wave was pushing towards the enemy and if I didn't help him immediately he would've just died to dragon...
I feel like this strategy only really applies if you're a jg smurf. You may not need to think about advanced jg pathing, but you still need superior mechanics to carry, esp. if you don't prioritize objectives. Otherwise in any elo dragons are still helpful given the players are generally at the same skill level, so any advantage that spans across your entire team is p good.
I almost never comment on any video, but if I suppose there is a chance I get an answer so here it is.
I'm a mid laner, playing LoL since beta (stopped tho from s5 to s8 with occasional troll games in between). Atm I'm d3 without much effort and can still climb relatevely easy (58-65% ratio on 3 accounts). I have played countless games both in extremely low elo and high elo. Anyway, when someone plays soloq I can really see your points and I completely agree with your video (It's pretty much what I do aswell).
When in duoq tho, especially with a jungler, I believe that herald is an insanely OP obj. I ward early for him, we track jungler, I Freeze, he ganks, we get flash/kill + prio, we take herald and/or 3v1 top. If bot doesnt go afk by min 10 and I don't take a fight for no reason before that, it's almost always an insta win after that. We almost all the time regank mid then transfer bot/top or invade and its impossible especially in low elo to do anything. (I know that it seems arrogant the way i type, but I think higher elo players (or players with knowledge) can see what I mean.
My point is that many people play duoq. Yes, this can be applied to duoq aswell (and ofc it will work), but IMO there are way better and easier ways to carry as a duo.
PS. I know atm im just a d3 dog and I'm not trying to be rude or anything. Your videos are amazing and even tho I had reached top elo many years ago, I have countless things watching your videos.
2 PS. You can try to create a duoq series, it believe you will get many views and help a lot of people.
12:50 nah taking the dragon made the enemy team ff so dragons aren’t completely useless after all XD
Hm thats interesting! I will look out for it in my high elo silver games ;D
And one request/question: Is there a guide from you about different botlanes? Kill/Pkke/Sustain?
A lot of my mentality towards the importance of Drake is that it used to be a global 190 gold.. Which can make or break your build.
The more gold you have the better you are, the faster your items arrive.
Even the dragons they changed it to before were of importance with heavily swaying stats. Or if I am not mistaken higher stats given, except cloud Drake which has ALWAYS been useless as fuck. Just let the enemy have out of combat trash movement speed while I take their jungle.
A lot of what made Dragon such a MAJOR objective is actually gone now. It's negligible stats don't warrant sacrificing 300+ Gold to your enemies. Since contesting often leads to deaths on both sides. But you more than likely took an ally away from their lane while the enemy didn't and now you lose 2 turrets.
Low elo games are just difficult to win in general since most players like to think they are pros, and die each and every chance they get. Often ruining their advantage. Happens a lot.
it may sound stupid, but i think blade zed does more dmg then youmus first item. Compared to each oither in Practice tool where the bots have no armour
Blade Zed: 1.6k-1.9k
Youmus Zed: 1.2k-1.6k
Would love to know if im right!
When i saw the title and the thumbnail i thought it would have been a video on why you should stop demolishing your jungler's balls for your own mistakes..
Tbh, this video was more usefull than entire of your and youtube jg guides.
I like how you point out that laners take a bunch of the gold from rift while I'm over here as a support main who frequently runs out of plate range to give gold to my ADC and/or whoever else is in my lane unless we need my damage to get the plate/take the tower. Still stuck in Silver btw, so I must be really bad at the rest of the game.
7:00 Love that zoom in on the map-bli.d rumble, hahhaaha
Another very good and useful guide, as a midlaner i can see the same principles can also be applied by myself if I get lane priority. Instead of roaming to a sidelane in hope getting a potential counter gank when the enemy jungler ganks there, I should be looking to place some deep wards in the opposite side of his jungle and even take his camps if I have the time. That way even if he gets something there, the loss of xp and gold from his camps, on top of the aggressive vision is probably not worth it.
Is there any full games that hectare plays and talks about his thought process throughout the whole game?
Funny thing about Dragons is that if you have better things to do, your teammates are still likely to fight after you type "give." It's pretty funny. There's some weird ingrained belief that a team should fight for every objective no matter if the fight is favorable.
This is really useful... I think the consensus I've heard this season was that dragons were more important than anything, but it never really felt that way when I had those games where I did manage to get soul. In the games I didn't and enemy got it instead, I think it ruined everyone's mental to the point that it made them play like the game was over already, rather than it actually being over. I was also always under the impression playing for your team was best, and it was toxic to have a 1v9 mentality, however in depths of elo hell you can't exactly depend on them to carry... So I guess that makes sense
this was extremely helpful thanks
Lack of selfishness doesn't seem like a major problem to me in low elo. For example yesterday I was playing alongside a gold (plat last season) Malphite jungle. In the entire game, he never used his ultimate to initiate team-fights. He never used it to peel for his carries. He only ever used it to secure kills. That's all. In another game, we had a Malzahar mid. Looking at our team comps, our team had a great 5v5 comp, with plenty of wombo-combo aoe skills (MF ult, Malphite ult + more). Team fighting was clearly our win condition. On the other hand, the enemy team had a Tryndamere and several pick champions (e.g. Elise) - their win condition was clearly a chaotic game, with Tryndamere splitting and taking inhibitors. Malzahar spent the entire game splitting and never ever grouped with the team. It's like somehow he didn't realise that his character was not designed to split push in the same way Tryndamere is, and was either completely ignorant of our win condition or too stubborn to care.
I worry that videos such as this, which encourage selfish play, make such players even worse, which hurts the prospects for both themselves, and their teams.
However, I do somewhat agree about Dragons. They are a nice to have rather than essential. If the enemy team gets drakes don't rage and give up. As long as you're getting some other advantage elsewhere on the map, then there's still plenty to play for!
And can you give us your thoughts about the Nashor and elder dragon? Their buff are amazing, meanwhile they take more time and ressource to get done. But i think the ratio benefits/cost is way better than the drake and herald. Maybe not that much for baron nashor maybe, he is a bit overrated in my elo. But elder sounds strong to me.
As a very low mmr player...games tend to be more kill-fests than aiming at objectives....
I also note that you didn't talk about turrets at all in this video.
To all of you arguing against the point of "Drakes don't matter", the thing is that while the buffs may be useful on certain scenarios, they're not a win condition anymore. Even if you do manage to get a Dragon Soul, if the games gets to the 30 minute mark and the enemy team has at least 1 fed/farmed scaling champion, you can still very well lose the game regardless of the Dragon Soul.
Dragon Soul isn't Baron. Baron wins games, Drakes do not.
im a toplaner main. I throw my lead so many times to secure an early drake with TP only for help a losing botlane and a losing jungle that ends lossing anyway. This video confirmed that i need to play selfish to carry games
I literally just won 9 games in a row because of this video.
If you have a smurf account, and you're wondering why you're not winning enough games, this is why.
Low elo players, if you want to learn why macro is so important and how it's the easiest way to win - watch this video. Applies to all Champs. Just did 7 nocturne and 2 Zac games. Always 2-3 levels above their jungler.
At 13:45, were Yi's camps up? And if so, would it be better to take his camps then drag? Or does it depend on which drag it is?
"If they die that's ok"....you see the problem with that in Silver is that they then tilt and either start feeding on purpose or just quit the game, meaning the above strategy is useless.
Typically if you're going to play jungle, especially in this fashion, I can't emphasise enough to MUTE ALL. People can still ping flash timers etc, but if someone abuses ping them mute that too. The quicker you mute all the quicker you can imagine that your team are normal human beings similar to yourself who aren't raging at a game. The moment you see bot raging at each other 5 minutes in, even if you mute afterwards, you're still going to imagine that is still going on if they aren't 5-1 next time you look.
Wait why are dragons worthless? Aren't those buffs kindof good (like infernal or mountain soul?)
i was playing sup a couple days ago and got a yasuo smurf onto my botlane. like we legit started to perma towerdivethem from lvl 3 on with the enemy adc going 2/12 and everyone coming bot and he still 1v4d them pretty much. he was saying something pretty similar. "fck dragons, we only go for elder if needed" we were completly stomping them. And yes this advice might be REALLY HARD to swallow because its so deep into peoples mind by now cause every guide tells you how important objectives are and stuff but... the more i think about it... i cannot remember A SINGLE game in months, where i was like "oh yeah we just clearly won this teamfight because we had 5% hp regen" this NEVER happens. You either stomp or you get stomped OR you stomp and then throw by not ending the game. In the third case, lets say we are SO ahead by minute 13 we could simply run around grouped win every single teamfight one after another and every time you go for 2 turrets or an inhib and just end the game... why the hell would you waste your time on drakes then if you can fight them anyways and wouldnt even get to all of these drakes in time. 30 seconds? that could be an inhib after a teamfight for example. Same goes with all those failed dragon contests or steal attempts. You could just give it to them group top and get a turret or 2. Instead you get them 2-3 free kills or your jungler dies to a steal attemt leaving them with a free baron afterwards. Those dragons legit have MORE negatives to them... than positives, the longer i think about it
I absolutely agree about Dragons... the only point in them is to force a favorable fight.
Cmon, even Infernal, it gives 4% AD and AP... that's absolutely NOTHING.
Disagree with your dragon point. Lower elos games tend to last longer and I can well think of times soul mattered even at my rank where games are shorter. I can see your point with how sometimes drake is not the right play, but you have to ask yourself and view it as an investment. Every game is different so its challenging to talk about it, but you do have a good point to always encourage players to ask themselves questions.
can you do a similar guide for ADCs pls
yo skillcapped for the herald part herald now collects gold for the person who places it from plates turret etc so you're always splitting it unless you take it solo or just herald takes it...
“learn from Hector once more”. Stop picking on him! Leave the kid be omg. 😂 #TeamHector
Ngl all your vids made me win games easier, making the enemy surrender in 20 or 30 because of how to punish and how to dance with them in mid. I hope you have more on Top as I wanna be better on top :'D
this got me out of bronze. nobody understands how broken shyvanas range is so just farming always works
6:55 I feel you Hector. Don't worry, you're not alone.