@@SolidarityShorts Yes, Timmy, the chaos is part of why Life works better than the crossover. Another reason is that most members of HC and Empires paused their main story lines during the crossover, and that broke immersion for viewers.
In my opinion, the reason the life series was and is more popular than the crossover episode between Hermitcraft and Empires is because no one has to catch up to enjoy the life series. Everyone is starting from scratch and playing together all at the same time with no one being able to be on the server by themselves to do their own thing. There was so much LAW to catch up on between the crossover episodes that it made it sort of difficult to keep up if you weren't fully invested into learning about the "other server"
Agreed. I feel that to alot of people, they might feel a bit of cringe when a server of full lore, and a server with not so much lore clash and have to act like it's somewhat believable. For example, when keralis started in sausages area. Sausage goes on saying things like "what's a youtube " and similar stuff like that. I understand that some want to keep lore in mind, but when it's a crossover, lore kind of goes out the window
@@josephmitts8438 yeah…the crossover was cool…but if you didn’t keep up with both series, it would be really weird…and in addition…the crossover was pretty much just the hermits and empires doing their usual thing…just, on another server…still enjoyed it tho
Aye, I enjoyed the novelty of the crossover, but the best part was seeing all the hermits working together. In the same note, it was pretty much just a hardcore grind to build everything they would normally spread across a season in a few weeks. Then when it came time for Empires to go to Hermitcraft it lasted what, two weeks? And they built a small village? It just wasn't worth it. I'd have rather seen both servers enjoy the other server for what it was rather than trying to push lore into it all. It would have been fine for them to break character for the crossover and would have been better recieved. Even in D&D people break character to enhance their enjoyment.
In addition, most still kind of kept to their own server bubbles. Like the hermits spent a lot of their time in Hermitopia. There was also less drama than the life series.
I agree but also each episode was so far from the next episode which made it long and kinda boring also the way it ended seemed a little rushed like the ending was cool and all but the way one day jimmy was like I need to get scar back then that’s kinda what started it to lead to the ending which more time and events that would happen make it less boring,another thing is that it seemed way too stretched than it needed to be such as when the empires menbers went to hermitcaft that’s the life series is better and in life series there was always the thought of like who would be out first or what betrays would happen such as the castle alliance
The multi-pov aspect is definitely my favourite part. You can see so much in the creators style and understanding of it all and it adds a degree of unreliable narration to it all. I came into the series through Cleo and then jumped to watching Grian and Martyn as well and the difference in perspective is kinda shocking. My favourite example was with scar who from Grian's pov was kinda goofy and then from Martyn's pov was low-key terrifying
Yes! Being able to pause a video when something amazing/shocking/hilarious happens, and then open up one of the other people's videos and go see it from their perspective back to back. e.g. The TNT Cart triple kill from Third life.
I usually don’t like to branch out to other creators even tho I like them, I have a hard time leaving my comfort zone, but hermitcraft and the 3rd life series definitely helped me branch out more, even if it was by 1 or 2 creators.
my personal favourite was double life, purely because no matter how many perspectives you watch and how well you know what happens watching pearl go nuts is still hilarious
The biggest problem imo is that the nature of the series is that there is more deaths. Specifically ones without any drama where someone just randomly dies. This meant that a lot of the drama of a battle for your life was pretty much cut in half.
I think the reason Last life surpassed third life (besides all the new mechanics) is that everyone had thier own story, thier tragic journey till demise.
@@benjaminwalker9873 thb, I think Double Life was creatively limited due to being partnered with someone. I do think in a lot of cases it ended up working out, forcing colabs where people might not naturally colab(let alone Grian's "nooOoOoOoOOOOOOO!!!!"). I think Double Life would have been a lot better if people knew who they were linked with, but they might have been linked to completely seperate people(aka, Scar taking damage would hurt Grian, but Grian taking damage wouldnt hurt Scar, but instead hurt someone else). It would take a bit more coding to ignore the linked damage, otherwise the entire server would get hurt at the same time, but it would allow non-natural colabs to arise without forcing them. I havent seen Limited Life yet, but I am almost guaranteeing that its better than Double Life.
Was last life the one with the quote “I've spent all season being honorable I'm not about to stop now” Because the amount of raw emotion behind that line
I think this did better than the crossover is because with the crossover, you had the empires fans and the hermitcraft fans. With this, you had a mix of individual people's fans, their respective smps' fans, AND literally anyone else unattached. Even someone who had never watched hermitcraft or empires or xlife or whatever could come in and enjoy the ride, which made it newcomer friendly.
crossover also had bad timing. happened at a time when a lot of hermits took a break and just didn't participate. Others had big plans for lore, but not enough time to let it play out. All in all, it felt incomplete. The life-series always had a clear start, a goal and a clear end. That helped making it feel more whole.
@Apoorv Verma I didn't watch anything empires related from hc players. Wasn't interested in it. Quite frankly don't care about empires and don't watch any empires at all. I in fact took a break from hermitcraft in general bc I have 0 interest in empires
At 10:08 to answer your question I think it was because for the crossover the Empires players were playing a certain character and had to act a certain way (and maybe it's the same for the Hermitcraft players, I don't really know), but for the life series all the players got to just hang out and be their normal selves. They didn't have to act out and stay in character or follow some sort of script. That's just my take on your question.
yeah basicaly comes down to lore baggage, for the crossover you have to understand hermitcraft and empires lore for it to be exciting. But for the life series the cannon is basicly a clean slate and the small map size and eveyone being logged in at the same time creates more of what the viewes actually want to see, player interaction.
I admit I quit during that time for the hype of other games and knowing I could rewatch the videos, I.e. Pokémon SV and I wonder if others were in the same mindset
12:00 tumblr terms. This is my understanding of them: Scrunkly: adorable yet feral. Gives you the cuteness agression and also possibly rabies. Squish their cheeks at your own risk. Eg Bdubs Scrimblo: underappreciated character who deserves better. Eg you and Lizzie Have a bonus term - blorbo: your ultimate personal favorite character. They are what makes the series/smp/movie/book great in your opinion. Can be a general fan fav or underrated character. For a good example of blorbos refer to the tumblr sexyman poll that happened last month.
Bdubs, Lizzie/mumbo, And scar, respectively. I feel like we can agree that across all series, scar is the most constant highlight. The rest have their moments, but scar is so much more unique.
I'd love to see a variation on double life where soulmates are randomized every session, so you might have to cooperate with your worst enemy in the last episode. Or perhaps if you are on green or yellow, and they're on red, you could sacrifice a life to nock them off the server. The possibilities are endless
Hohohooo!!! That'd be brilliant! Imagine if one episode you're actively working against someone, and then the very next episode you're paired with that nemesis. Would be unlikely to happen, but I can think of so many entertaining scenarios
I think with the crossover, there was expectations for creators to stay in their boxes. Like people expected the empires to stay in character, and the hermits to do hermit stuff. While Life Series, they are free to be themselves, to have fun, and it's not about the pressure of making the next big thing or expanding what they have already.
For the questions jimmy had about the empires/hermitcraft, with empires it’s full of lore and the characters acting as if they didn’t know each other. But in the life series you don’t have that lore and get to see the friendships they have outside of the lore in the other smp.
yeah this, and also timing imo especially with the second half of the crossover - the hermitcraft server was pretty sluggish with inactivity relative to earlier in the season and it was just before xmas so the urgency to wrap up rlly didnt help the vibes lol
10:00 Maybe because in the Life Series, all members start from scratch, and they do it all in one session, so everyone actually participates. The cross-over was great, but people usually did their own thing with some collaborations sprinkled here and there. And because the border is small, everyone will have to compete for the resources, hence there's actually an alliance.
9:55 my problem with the crossover was,that it felt detached bcthe hermits doing their own thing,its suupose to be like the first day of the crossover where everyone from hc spread and help different empires
On the topic of popularity comparison - I think that the crossover felt like a... Visit, which it was. Of course all of people did something they can defy as their own thing, but in general - not much of a creation itself. In Life series it's always fresh new, and every idea feels personal. You can be a king one time and a shadow assassin the next, or ally with someone your viewers would've never guessed. That's why it's always such a great time watching these or waiting - the sheer excitement of seeing something crazy new and unexpected.
Secret Life is quickly becoming my favorite. I want to watch every perspective, where as with past series I felt I could watch my favorite of the teams and I’d understand what happened.
Same here!! Every pov I watch just leaves me with even more questions. And then I want to watch everyone else to find out why they were acting weird haha
I like Double Life the most out of the series, and purely for the interactions. We got the duos we never expected but we secretly needed all along. The Ranchers, The Dessert Duo, The Boat Boys, Team Girlboss, Broken Hearts Club will forever remain some of my favourite group collabs ever
Same..also I enjoyed how differently they accept their partners, and the hijinks ensued. Like Etho and joel may bicker but theyre happy getting one another But then we turn to pearl "obsessing" psychotically over scott who chose to partner with cleo...and martyn who have his own ways of "obsessing" over cleo
The Life series feels more like a reality show filled with actors. Yeah we love your produced works but we also want to see you all just having genuine fun.
3rd Life introduced me to so many UA-camrs - thats how I started getting invested in Jimmy, Bdubs, Etho, Joel, etc. Last Life was even better because I got more interested in Mumbo and Lizzie, too! These life series are amazing.
The rare "new etho fan"... i've been watching etho for years and I swear 80% of his fanbase has been fans for at least 5 years. Etho was my entry into the life series, and although i had at least heard of most of the creators before, the series got me watching their perspectives
As a student in college I don't have a lot of time for You Tube, this means I am only able to pick a few favorite people to watch here and there. This is especially difficult when lore gets added in, even more so when it is compounded over multiple seasons. The nice thing about the Life Series was that I could jump in without having to watch everyone's side, or where they came from lore wise, to fully understand what was happening. I was able to just enjoy it.
I love the multi-perspective aspect. Seeing the different sides of, say, the Red Winter War is amazing. Seeing just Grian and Scar’s perspective takes away from the slow decent into madness of Ren and how Dogwarts went from a enchanting business to a kingdom. Or you might miss 5AM Pearl to understand why she is feared.
I think part of the reason why the life series did better is because there are set recording and posting times. So when you watch episodes from multiple creators, you know what's going on with the whole server and you aren't getting confused about the time lines of episodes. Like with hermitcraft and empires you constantly don't know how many days it was filmed over or what parts of the episode are filmed on the same day. Then you have the fact that every creator records, edits, and posts at different times. So even if you watch multiple perspectives, it's hard to get fully immersed in it.
Last Life is definitely my favorite. (This may sound weird) but I love the story of all the suspicion and betrayal. And of course, I love the Southlands.
10:07 I can tell you why. The Hermits x Empires crossover was treated more like a funny haha drama with pranks and fun times. The Life series is all about betrayal and vile murders and fun kills. Every week people are watching with a sense of silly bloodlust like “who’s raging today?” I for one can say I was watching Last Life solely for the Cleo and Bigb drama, and I threw my fist in the air when she finally killed him. There was just no moments of triumph in the Crossover event. The most dramatic thing that happened was the battle of Fort Riftless, and that was played more as silly and joking conflict more than actual consequences. And that’s what it’s all about. Consequences. The higher the stakes, the better the story will do with the viewers.
I think the reason why the life series was better then the empires hermits cross is because the crossover was too close to Christmas and all the big name youtubers always take a month long break in January. So it was rushed and there wasn’t enough time for interaction between the two servers members. I think the crossover should have waited until March, April or May of 2023. Besides the Tagged game was too short. It didn’t get passed around a lot. I notice ever since Grian started the tag game it always increases the views. So I do hope the rift opens again. So you guys can finish tagged. But I think it might with what’s happened. With evil sausage running amuck and Shubble being possessed by the Sculk it is only a matter of time that Grumbot has to be restored. And with Mumbo back in hermitcraft it is the perfect time to do so
10:00 because the whole lore and stuff was so out of left field that it just felt like a stampy video where he walks you through the world and maybe plays a mini game with his friend, while the life series is like a reality tv show where no complicated lore explaining why there here is needed. They all start at the same point and make it together vs having some new people get given some end game gear and fly around what’s already been made.
I loved the crossover, the reason I like the Life Series more is there are way more interactions. Take your POV of the crossover. It was often just you and scar. The Life Series you are usually getting at least 5 people all interacting from each POV each episode. And each POV is super unique. The Life Series is hands down my favorite series on UA-cam. Loving Limited Life so far!!
The multi pov's are DEFINITELY one of the best things about the life series. It not only gives a lot of content to watch but also makes you see the events in a completely different manner. For example I started watching the life series with Lizzie on Last Life and it all seemed very calculative and sudden and sneaky, then (sticking with last life) I watched Scott that showed the side that was getting attacked quite a lot while still surviving and it showed the suspicion and paranoia and calculation that goes into it and a lot of the logistics of things. Grian showed a completely different storyline and made everything way more interesting as he was part of a big group where trust was vital factor and the way he was losing and gaining lives showed the foundations of how the server worked and the differences between how each life is treated and how one action could completely gain or lose peoples trust in you. Joel's was a different story, he was on red practically the entire series and lasted longer than everyone expected him to on red, it was very cool and new to see his pov and how his murder attempts were desperation and frustration because everything kept going wrong. Everywhere else Joel was the sneaky red name trapping and trying to kill everyone and made you side against him while his videos made you (slightly) pity him and side with him and to cheer for him at every trap even if you know the outcome. All the pov's showed a lot of emotion and true feeling and even the viewer can feel the adrenaline rush which is just absolutely amazing. The life series is definitely the best and I am definitely enjoying making my way round and watching the different pov's! And it's amazing to watch Jimmy reacting to videos like this as it can reveal details and things he may or may not comment on and uncovers secrets and explanations for things, it also helps to figure out who's pov to watch next if any of their clips are shown more. An amazing series and this comment turned out way longer than intended haha
The only thing I’ll say Ani didn’t touch up on much was the built stereotypes of each member. As he explained as Etho is quite a down to earth guy but you could hear the joy as he had murderous intent as the boogeyman. Take GoodTimesWithScar as an example. He is such a sweet, kind and clumsy soul. No one in their kind would expect Scar to live long in the series let alone win one (spoiler to Secret Life!) So the series keep people on edge showing different sides of the members and broke down stereotypes, and I think that’s really cool! :)
I feel like I've gotten so used to Tumblr lingo that I forget that regular people don't know what words like "Scrunkly" "scrimblo" and "blorbo" mean ^^; And Animagician's description of the layered way you can watch episodes since they all get released at the same general time perfectly described my experience watching episode four of Double Life. I managed to hit this golden order of watching so that my experience only improved with each episode I watched, gathering bits of new information which recontextualized everything that came before it. It was IMMACULATE
9:55 i think the life series also broke the expectations of the community about the collab, noone imagined all these people to come together for a frickin' BLOODBATH and loving it so much
I think the main thing that separates the life series from something like the dream smp and lifesteal smp is that the players interact regularly enough that EVERYONE is interconnected. I followed some of the lifesteal smp and dream smp, and every person's perspective felt like it wasn't even the same series. Events didn't feel connected, the plot was completely different depending on who you watched, and every person felt like they were trying to be the main character of the server, and alliances felt like they were just made and broken for literally no reason.
10:00 I think it was because of two things 1) the storylines 2) the povs and 3)sense of community. So basically because there’s a winner to the life series and all these different groups people get invested in seeing the end rather than the hermitcraft/empires crossover where there’s less tension and anticipation. In the crossover there is no winner, there are groups of content creators but there are very little conflicts and tension when they interact. However on the life series that’s baked into the episodes. Also because the life series has these groups of people and secrets if you want to know what another group is doing you have to watch their pov or the pov of another group that interacts with them. I think theres some genius in not making different pov watching necessary to understand the series. Like your average viewer doesn’t have enough time to watch all povs, but it would be fun to watch all of them. Also because people separate into groups you can choose who you want to win which not only gets you invested but also creates sub-fandoms and fan art around each of the groups. This in turn gives free advertising and increases the amount of people who will watch their next episode (because now they want to see their group do group things and or win).
i feel like the life series worked better, in part because it takes place in a much smaller frame and everyone is online at the same time. which forces people to interact way more than they normally did on empires or hermitcraft. there, even with the crossover, players still played by themselves a lot of the time.
The crossover was good! I think it's natural that it wouldn't be as popular as the Life Series (as other people already pointed out it's way more beginner friendly) but it was a treat to those of us who are fans of both servers. I think that was worth it. And I think people did end up finding new creators to watch through it too. I feel like it's fine to sometimes do things that aren't as popular (although I know it's kinda stressful if your income depends on popularity) because it helps keep things fresh and fun
I do not mind the timed releasing, because I know you guys are all working on the new episode each week, whereas big corporations who release weekly (like HBO) generally have the episodes done, but withhold them to deliberately build suspense. I'm honestly impressed you all manage to get the content out together on Fridays - that's so much work!
Did that "who's cutting onions?" Advancement made by impulse is everywhere, like I seen it in every episode of that session I've watched and now it's in this?!
17:55 oh yea, I forgot! Grian is in the series, right. (But really he is amazing at pvp totally by accident! Have you seen his MCC triple kill, it’s an amazing moment
yeah he's naturally talented at it, so is gem and others on the server i'm sure. i think what the video implies is being sweaty not necessarily skill. its a breath of fresh air not seeing people hyper click combo and stuff or whatever lol. love this series so much i hope it never ends, been watching since 3rd life
10:10 I think the Life Series worked better from a viewer perspective than the empires/hermit crossover (though, I LOVED that too) was because it put everyone on equal footing. You didn’t have to watch your favorite creators either be Broke (tm) and running around homeless on a server that didn’t feel like their own, or showing “strangers” around months worth of progress. Everyone started together, and was able to grow and form together. Like how different seasons of the life series have different groups, because each entry is a new opportunity for all these creative people to interact with each other on a clean slate. The knowledge that it’s temporary, when it’s over it’s over, adds to a looming suspense. Who’s gonna win, rather than in the empires/hermit crossover, you knew when everyone went “home” that was that. Both of them worked, but the life series will always have a special little place in my heart for what it was able to accomplish in such a short time.
10:30 I think the crossover didn't do as well because we want to see everybody together from start to finish, which the life series does. The crossover episodes happened very late into both empires/hermitcraft seasons.
The crossover interrupted story lines, but the life series is a fresh start server and despite needing to have their guards up, everyone kinda lets their guard down and relaxes quite a bit 😂
Last year, what my friend and I called “Last Life Tuesday” is what got us through senior year. We would legitimately count down the days to it and celebrate at lunch when the episodes came out.
The Hc/Empires cross over did not work because it sort of interrupted story lines on both servers. Like let's say Impulse is like "all right we are working on the mcguffing factory, I got cool plans. Next week I make the roof and the week after that I work on the mcguffinator... Oh Grian just send me a message to meet me at the rift..." And then people are flown off to the Empires for four weeks. It just interrupted the expected progress somehow. What I would love to see is more cameos and collabs on both servers. Like "I'm working on my castle and I would need a magical terraforming... What's this, a Wizard Scar appears!". So have a visiting stars between servers bring their own expertise on projects. On Hermitcraft there would be less of character play, but on empires the hermits could do characters.
I find the Life series so fricking good because if you think about it, it's basically a improv roleplay tv show that releases every week, but you can choose a perspective or multiple to watch which makes it like an ongoing crossover... AND IT'S ALL MINECRAFT
1:19 I absolutely agree 10000%. The life series is an absolute all-star team of talent, and the sheer drama and hilarity of the storylines that play out is so captivating for a minecraft series. The fact that there are almost no rules, and that to win you absolutely have to betray everybody every one else makes it increadibly tense. And the chemistry of the group still keeps the actual community pretty peaceful and engaged is also part of it. Also only about 10-14 eps. a year, its not hard to keep up with.
10:20 Imo the reason its so popular other than its short and easy to follow - you guys interact more in the lives series, than on Hermitcraft for an example - and have lots of fun, making people laugh. And the chaos is glorious.
For me the life series was at its best at third life and last life, and then peaked again at secret life. And wild life is still pretty good but didn’t have the effect of me watching a lot of different perspectives like in secret life.
See I think the reason the Life series works so well is because there aren't many other series that have all the players on at the same time. It creates a space to see everyone interact which doesn't happen on servers like hermitcraft. Most times on hermit craft there are very few points when all the players are together and because of that it doesnt feel like a group, whereas the life series creates this group atmosphere and you get to see players interact that dont get to interact much spend time together.
10:24 for me personally with hermitcraft, I am mostly just interested in at most a few individual creators, mostly just Grian. So when there is a crossover, I don’t really pay attention to it. But when you’re in a series like last life, it’s great to see multiple point of views of different people cause of the events that play out. That’s great, but hard and not viable to replicate in for instance hermitcraft.
10:12 my guess is that people can rewatch their favorites without having to find a video in the middle of a series to start with. If one person wants to watch someone they usually don't watch, they just need to be caught up to someone else's pov to understand the context for things.
9:50 - for me it took so long to want to watch EVERYONEs POV, as cool as it was I had to catch up on a lot more episodes and POVS so I think that's probably similar to everyone else as well
There’s many amazing things about the life series. I think it being so short makes sure no one can be bored of it because it doesn’t get repetitive, and having it uploaded once a week means people can’t get ahead and it makes fans wait. Another thing is we are deprived for so long that we are desperate for the slightest news of a new life series even though we know it likely won’t last long. Also I really like the names and I assumed it was common knowledge that they were meant to be numbered in random orders and generally confusing to new fans.
The life series showed me a bunch of people I’ve never heard of until that point, at the time I only knew Grian, Joel, Scott and BigB and I didn’t really watch them that much but I was hooked after watching the first episode from Grian’s POV
My personal tinfoil hat theory is that the Life series confusing naming convention will eventually let me create a chronological timeline in a similar way that people created a timeline for the Legend of Zelda series. ??? ‐ Double Life - 3rd Life - ??? - Limited Life - ??? - Last Life
My theory on the crossover vs. Life series success, is that the crossover was too much information! There were so many people and you didn't necessarily know what everyone's deal was. And, since there were so many people, it was hard to keep track and hard to choose who to watch. Whereas the Life series, you didn't need to know who ANYONE was. You knew how many episodes you were in for and there were clear enough alliances to keep track of everyone. I imagine there were a lot of new viewers who came along for the ride.
It's true! I found the Life Series through Scott, and at the time I had seen some old videos from Bdubs and Scar, the odd Grian video here and there, and I had heard of Etho and a few other Hermits. But that was it for the Third Life members. (I had either watched or heard of all the later arrivals--Lizzie, Mumbo, Pearl and Gem.) Throughout the seasons I slowly got more and more familiar with the rest of the members, until I was watching every single upload for Secret Life. So when comments from both viewers and the Lifers in the videos kept alluding to some giant minigame project on Hermitcraft, I got curious enough to take a peek...and I've been hooked on HC ever since. Unlike the previous times I had tried to watch HC content, I was able to match enough voices to usernames and in-game faces thanks to the Life Series, that I didn't get confused or overwhelmed.
I adore the Life series. The multiple pov's make the journey so much fun. You can hop around and see different pov's in different styles to catch all the drama. The shorter length makes it more approachable than something like Hermetcraft, which can feel overwhelming if you fall behind. I also enjoy how relaxed everyone seems to feel not having to worry about making mega builds and getting to have some fun planning silly traps and killing each other. Double-life was my favorite! I loved the dynamic of everyone pairing up and having to take care of each other while still fighting the others.
my take on why the Life series went better than HC/EMP crossover: in Life you started with no story line. We, the viewers, had nothing to catch up on. With the crossover, there were elaborated story lines, sometimes spanning multiple series (Pearl+Sausage, Grumbot arc) that left some of us confused.
Last life was awesome, and so was limited life, but for me nothing tops the story of Scar and Grian from Third Life. When they had to duel it was tear-inducing... After all they had been through together...
9:30, I'd say a big part of it is the crossovers happening on established servers meant people who were not in the native habitat had to find some way to blend in more. They aren't established on the server, they don't have any big or long-term plans, they're just kinda along for the ride. I think it somewhat worked better for the Hermits on the Empires server because all or most of them contributed to the Hermitopia tower, and Grian particularly had the Grumbot storyline to push and get established for. Pearl and False's unique approaches to being members of both servers also, I think, helped them fit things in more naturally. When everyone is on a Life server, though, you all start at the same time and develop together. There are no established nations and alliances, they develop organically. Nobody is being thrown into a situation with existing diplomatic ties or societal hostilities. Nobody has any infrastructure in place that either jumpstarts or gives advantages. Not that the crossover did badly, but it just couldn't be set up to develop as naturally or organically when the parties involved in the crossover are not "equal" in some way.
10:10 The crossover of Hermits/Empires didn't work partly because not all of the hermits bought in. Plus, there was no upfront commitment of a specific, collaborative deliverable the way the was with the life series. That probably made it less motivating for the hermits, as well as for the audience. I can't speak for the Empires team, 'cause I don't know them well.
1. I agree. Out of the first three Last life was the best (although that might be because I really like the Scott and Pearl duo) and I can't really judge a series with only two episodes. 2. I think maybe the life series did better than the crossover because people interact *way* more, also it's just so different.
I think there are many reasons why the life series worked better than the Hermit/Empires crossover, and a lot of them have been mentioned in the comments and the video already. Another one that I haven’t seen mentioned yet is I feel 3rd Life was released at a critical time, when DreamSMP was around its peak and still active. So you have this large viewer base that’s already been introduced to Minecraft server improv with some role playing that doesn’t take itself too seriously (at least that’s how dsmp used to be). 3rd life fit perfectly into the interests of that fanbase, so convert videos boosted the numbers alongside regular viewers of the creators involved and people who were completely new to all of it. Personally, I was a dsmp fan, and a friend who was also into dsmp at the tme recommended 3rd life. I watched Grian’s POV, then a bunch of others, and then I started watching hermitcraft. Now I’m a huge hermitcraft fan and it and the life series are 95% of the Minecraft content I consume.
I think that the life series being recorded with everyone on simultaneously in a small world, is a big factor in its success. not only that but no one is ever really on by themself, so theres just so many interactions that can be seen from multiple POVs and its grreat to peice together the true story of what happened during the session. I also think that the fact that there are such a large ammount of players releasing episodes on the same day, creates an attention surge thats extremely good for the algorithm. there are honestly so many very important small little factors that seem to make these servers so successful, but really its also just a great roster of amazing people who are great entertainers, and even better when you all put your efforts together!
In addition to Knives Out, the Life Series reminds me a lot of the early days of the Dream SMP. Everyone playing at the same time, with their own perspectives - that's the REASON why the dsmp was so good for so many creators. Everyone, on some level, is nosy. They want to know what's going on with the other group, and with multiple perspectives, they can see that!
10:24 if I had to guess it would be because of 3 reasons. A. It was in the middle of the season, we’d already seen the people before and we were going to see them after. B. It didn’t have as many stakes as the life series as that was a hardcore series and this was in survival. And C. There wasn’t as much of a mix up, in 3rd life, there’s a big mix up between when everyone is green and having a good time and when scar turns red, in last life there’s a big mix up when you find out that who you thought you could trust is the boogeyman, in double life there’s still the 3rd life mix up but also because you know you have another persons life on your hands, in limited life there’s a mix up because you see how short your life is, in secret life there’s a mix up because you’ve got a new task and you have no idea what it is or how hard it is, in wildlife there’s a mix up as you’ve gotta adapt to the wild card. It was cool seeing the hermits come over to empires, but it was a hook that never reeled in (or at least not as much as the life series)
Hihi! Love the video. I do have my own opinion for your question in the video btw. The crossover between HC and Empires didn't really had much impact like Last Life Series. There wasn't much interactions, cooperative between both servers far as LL would do. LL makes everyone has to interact with each other more often, creating short story each episode with overall plot that is mostly still undecided until near the end. Really, I did find the crossover to be sort've lacking really too in story-wise thought process for me. I did expected Mumbo to be the one that brought them back, regardless of how many month and watch HC just absolutely overturn the balance in the Empire even further with their own project. I did want to see they make like a shopping center where the Empires would eventually take over after crossover because of how useful it would be for them, or just make them go raze it down because they don't like it. And I thought that Empire would band together and create something that is like god-like to leave their mark on the HC server, banding together to get all the materials as well diamonds to buy from the HC shops to do so. I wouldn't be surprised if there's drama in them doing that too and Hermits has to be the one that send them back home because they're just naughty. Also, there's another factor about the cross over. It's really short from HC side I usually watch since I'm not Empire watcher. Either way, this is just my own opinion. I just want to state it for some consideration.
I think the collabs via life series work out a little bit better than the empiresxhermitcraft crossover has a lot to do with scheduling. Since you’ve all got to record at the same time in such a small and undeveloped map it forces the interactions With the crossover you guys were pretty much going into another’s territory that you may not be as familiar with and no one wants to step on anyone’s toes
'Life' series is its own entity. While the crossover was a jumbling of two separate entities. it's like mixing fajitas with a bowl of Capn' Crunch. They are both great on their own, . . . but I would sure hate to have to eat them together.
Jimmy actually acknowledged it! The crossover between Empires and hermitcraft I think is less so an idea of the worlds not being compatible with different concepts, I think it is more so a factor of doing it without a start so you see a lot more individual content and it didn't mesh well as Empires is more structured while Hermitcraft plays more loose and fluid with how things are played so having it not start together was already a sort of lukewarm start and the factor that neither side really played to one world or another. The Crossover is also fairly fanon inspired as its one of those things the fandoms would only think of happening without expecting it, possibly thinking of people adapting different personas on Empire while everyone got to be themselves on Hermitcraft.The Life serieses have everyone start together as one group instead of mashing two seperate groups together. Like the personalities in idea can work and the idea of story crossover can work, I should know, I love writing Multiverse shit. In the Hermit Empires crossover my ideal way of how to do it would be a storyline built too unlike an aspect of everyone going together after barely resolving another loose plot on Hermitcraft. I would have structured it as more of a trickle through like the King's Minigame would have been ending, Ren escapes and the Diamonds are gone so everyone goes after him, some people find him at the Rift and it would be that Ren and another member or two from Hermitcraft would go through with a portal being opened for a moment before it closed, leaving the glass fade. What would come after would have been on the Empires side (KingRen being lost for a bit in multiverse shenanigans) with the hermits that came through being discovered by the empires and they get to start their own small empires for a few episodes before others come through, playing into characters instead of being the Hermitcraft version of themself, like maybe Cleo is one of the first and could have still gone with Joey, giving a mutiny before others came through like she did with X before Hermitopia. And again, Hermitopia was my biggest gripe as it felt like the Hermitcraft members mostly tried to stay with eachother instead of interacting with the wider server. Ultimately it would culminate in Emperor Grumbot fixing the polarity of the portal and allowing people to go to Hermitcraft. Both series are more long form series over short form so having the crossover being over the course of like 2 - 3 months instead of just over one month of hermits on empires would have been more creatively driven IMO. The Empires on Hermitcraft I see why it was just a month as the Empires side has a more continual storyline idea so the draw back has the allure to go back and if one of the members go through, most should as well. That is just my opinion of it, just the factor of it being a lot more condensed in what the HermPires stuff did. The Life Series had a different dynamic and has a similar reality aspect as Hermitcraft without having the storied anchor of Empires.
glad you enjoyed :D
:0 It’s Animagician! The video rocked m8 :]
SO GOOD!
@@SolidarityShorts Yes, Timmy, the chaos is part of why Life works better than the crossover. Another reason is that most members of HC and Empires paused their main story lines during the crossover, and that broke immersion for viewers.
Say Animagician, Have ever heard of the EVO SMP?
YOU MISSED LIZZIE
In my opinion, the reason the life series was and is more popular than the crossover episode between Hermitcraft and Empires is because no one has to catch up to enjoy the life series. Everyone is starting from scratch and playing together all at the same time with no one being able to be on the server by themselves to do their own thing. There was so much LAW to catch up on between the crossover episodes that it made it sort of difficult to keep up if you weren't fully invested into learning about the "other server"
Agreed. I feel that to alot of people, they might feel a bit of cringe when a server of full lore, and a server with not so much lore clash and have to act like it's somewhat believable. For example, when keralis started in sausages area. Sausage goes on saying things like "what's a youtube " and similar stuff like that. I understand that some want to keep lore in mind, but when it's a crossover, lore kind of goes out the window
@@josephmitts8438 yeah…the crossover was cool…but if you didn’t keep up with both series, it would be really weird…and in addition…the crossover was pretty much just the hermits and empires doing their usual thing…just, on another server…still enjoyed it tho
Aye, I enjoyed the novelty of the crossover, but the best part was seeing all the hermits working together.
In the same note, it was pretty much just a hardcore grind to build everything they would normally spread across a season in a few weeks. Then when it came time for Empires to go to Hermitcraft it lasted what, two weeks? And they built a small village? It just wasn't worth it.
I'd have rather seen both servers enjoy the other server for what it was rather than trying to push lore into it all. It would have been fine for them to break character for the crossover and would have been better recieved. Even in D&D people break character to enhance their enjoyment.
In addition, most still kind of kept to their own server bubbles. Like the hermits spent a lot of their time in Hermitopia. There was also less drama than the life series.
I agree but also each episode was so far from the next episode which made it long and kinda boring also the way it ended seemed a little rushed like the ending was cool and all but the way one day jimmy was like I need to get scar back then that’s kinda what started it to lead to the ending which more time and events that would happen make it less boring,another thing is that it seemed way too stretched than it needed to be such as when the empires menbers went to hermitcaft that’s the life series is better and in life series there was always the thought of like who would be out first or what betrays would happen such as the castle alliance
Jimmys giving protective little brother vibes with the “AND LIZZIE… and Lizzie, they just forgot Lizzie”
Hahaha yeah
I mean they WERE seablings at one point, makes sense he'd still have a bit of little brother vibes with her
@@appleinxed very true very true, I just always see little brother vibes with him and Joel and/or Lizzie and I love it
Wait they are siblings???
no, this was empires season 1 lore... SEAblings (Codfather and Ocean Queen)@@Iris.moon61
The timing of "but it did " was insane
honestly i watched the video before i saw this and i did the same thing 😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah that was epic!!!
Agreed!
Jimmy screaming "I AM HBO!!" made me lose it 🤣
The realization
"You either die the hero, or watch yourself become the villain"
He has betrayed himself.
man was saying hAte ch b o😂
IRK!!!
The multi-pov aspect is definitely my favourite part. You can see so much in the creators style and understanding of it all and it adds a degree of unreliable narration to it all. I came into the series through Cleo and then jumped to watching Grian and Martyn as well and the difference in perspective is kinda shocking. My favourite example was with scar who from Grian's pov was kinda goofy and then from Martyn's pov was low-key terrifying
Yes! Being able to pause a video when something amazing/shocking/hilarious happens, and then open up one of the other people's videos and go see it from their perspective back to back. e.g. The TNT Cart triple kill from Third life.
Totally agree.
Which one was that
Or watching the chaos of Grian being AFK in week 3 of Limited Life
I usually don’t like to branch out to other creators even tho I like them, I have a hard time leaving my comfort zone, but hermitcraft and the 3rd life series definitely helped me branch out more, even if it was by 1 or 2 creators.
my personal favourite was double life, purely because no matter how many perspectives you watch and how well you know what happens watching pearl go nuts is still hilarious
5 AM Pearl is a totally terrifying person...
The biggest problem imo is that the nature of the series is that there is more deaths. Specifically ones without any drama where someone just randomly dies. This meant that a lot of the drama of a battle for your life was pretty much cut in half.
@@zaydmerhab6167 I agree, double life was a fun experiment but I think the ruleset from Last Life is the best and should be the model.
Ikr??
Pearl was the MVP of Double Life, I’m glad she won
I think the reason Last life surpassed third life (besides all the new mechanics) is that everyone had thier own story, thier tragic journey till demise.
Yes! I also think in this respect Double Life surpassed even Last Life, though maybe not in gameplay.
@@benjaminwalker9873 thb, I think Double Life was creatively limited due to being partnered with someone. I do think in a lot of cases it ended up working out, forcing colabs where people might not naturally colab(let alone Grian's "nooOoOoOoOOOOOOO!!!!"). I think Double Life would have been a lot better if people knew who they were linked with, but they might have been linked to completely seperate people(aka, Scar taking damage would hurt Grian, but Grian taking damage wouldnt hurt Scar, but instead hurt someone else). It would take a bit more coding to ignore the linked damage, otherwise the entire server would get hurt at the same time, but it would allow non-natural colabs to arise without forcing them.
I havent seen Limited Life yet, but I am almost guaranteeing that its better than Double Life.
@@Predated2 Interesting concept. Chained Life!
To be fair 3rd life also told a unique story from everyone's perspective, but Last Life damn outdid its predeseccor in that regard.
Was last life the one with the quote “I've spent all season being honorable
I'm not about to stop now”
Because the amount of raw emotion behind that line
I think this did better than the crossover is because with the crossover, you had the empires fans and the hermitcraft fans. With this, you had a mix of individual people's fans, their respective smps' fans, AND literally anyone else unattached. Even someone who had never watched hermitcraft or empires or xlife or whatever could come in and enjoy the ride, which made it newcomer friendly.
crossover also had bad timing. happened at a time when a lot of hermits took a break and just didn't participate. Others had big plans for lore, but not enough time to let it play out.
All in all, it felt incomplete.
The life-series always had a clear start, a goal and a clear end. That helped making it feel more whole.
@@liquidmindstbh I didn't even watch any activity of empires players on hermitcraft. Like I have no idea what went down when they were around
As a Grian fan, I deeply agree with this.
@Apoorv Verma I didn't watch anything empires related from hc players. Wasn't interested in it. Quite frankly don't care about empires and don't watch any empires at all. I in fact took a break from hermitcraft in general bc I have 0 interest in empires
Exactly
At 10:08 to answer your question I think it was because for the crossover the Empires players were playing a certain character and had to act a certain way (and maybe it's the same for the Hermitcraft players, I don't really know), but for the life series all the players got to just hang out and be their normal selves. They didn't have to act out and stay in character or follow some sort of script. That's just my take on your question.
yeah basicaly comes down to lore baggage, for the crossover you have to understand hermitcraft and empires lore for it to be exciting. But for the life series the cannon is basicly a clean slate and the small map size and eveyone being logged in at the same time creates more of what the viewes actually want to see, player interaction.
@@simic0racle157 and if you do want some juicy lore, you can watch Martyn or Ren.
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The life series feel more natural to
I admit I quit during that time for the hype of other games and knowing I could rewatch the videos, I.e. Pokémon SV and I wonder if others were in the same mindset
12:00 tumblr terms. This is my understanding of them:
Scrunkly: adorable yet feral. Gives you the cuteness agression and also possibly rabies. Squish their cheeks at your own risk. Eg Bdubs
Scrimblo: underappreciated character who deserves better. Eg you and Lizzie
Have a bonus term - blorbo: your ultimate personal favorite character. They are what makes the series/smp/movie/book great in your opinion. Can be a general fan fav or underrated character. For a good example of blorbos refer to the tumblr sexyman poll that happened last month.
Bdubs, Lizzie/mumbo, And scar, respectively.
I feel like we can agree that across all series, scar is the most constant highlight. The rest have their moments, but scar is so much more unique.
I'd love to see a variation on double life where soulmates are randomized every session, so you might have to cooperate with your worst enemy in the last episode. Or perhaps if you are on green or yellow, and they're on red, you could sacrifice a life to nock them off the server. The possibilities are endless
Ooooo that could be pretty cool!
That is one of the coolest ideas I have heard for a new 3/last/double or limited life
Oh my god that's incredible
This should be spread
Hohohooo!!! That'd be brilliant! Imagine if one episode you're actively working against someone, and then the very next episode you're paired with that nemesis. Would be unlikely to happen, but I can think of so many entertaining scenarios
“I am HBO!! I’ve become something i never wanted to become. omg we’re HBO” was too funny 15:11
I think with the crossover, there was expectations for creators to stay in their boxes. Like people expected the empires to stay in character, and the hermits to do hermit stuff.
While Life Series, they are free to be themselves, to have fun, and it's not about the pressure of making the next big thing or expanding what they have already.
For the questions jimmy had about the empires/hermitcraft, with empires it’s full of lore and the characters acting as if they didn’t know each other. But in the life series you don’t have that lore and get to see the friendships they have outside of the lore in the other smp.
yeah this, and also timing imo especially with the second half of the crossover - the hermitcraft server was pretty sluggish with inactivity relative to earlier in the season and it was just before xmas so the urgency to wrap up rlly didnt help the vibes lol
10:00 Maybe because in the Life Series, all members start from scratch, and they do it all in one session, so everyone actually participates.
The cross-over was great, but people usually did their own thing with some collaborations sprinkled here and there.
And because the border is small, everyone will have to compete for the resources, hence there's actually an alliance.
9:55 my problem with the crossover was,that it felt detached bcthe hermits doing their own thing,its suupose to be like the first day of the crossover where everyone from hc spread and help different empires
On the topic of popularity comparison - I think that the crossover felt like a... Visit, which it was. Of course all of people did something they can defy as their own thing, but in general - not much of a creation itself. In Life series it's always fresh new, and every idea feels personal. You can be a king one time and a shadow assassin the next, or ally with someone your viewers would've never guessed. That's why it's always such a great time watching these or waiting - the sheer excitement of seeing something crazy new and unexpected.
Secret Life is quickly becoming my favorite. I want to watch every perspective, where as with past series I felt I could watch my favorite of the teams and I’d understand what happened.
Same here!! Every pov I watch just leaves me with even more questions. And then I want to watch everyone else to find out why they were acting weird haha
Secret life was amazing, it needed a few changes. But it was great.
I like Double Life the most out of the series, and purely for the interactions. We got the duos we never expected but we secretly needed all along. The Ranchers, The Dessert Duo, The Boat Boys, Team Girlboss, Broken Hearts Club will forever remain some of my favourite group collabs ever
Same..also I enjoyed how differently they accept their partners, and the hijinks ensued.
Like
Etho and joel may bicker but theyre happy getting one another
But then we turn to pearl "obsessing" psychotically over scott who chose to partner with cleo...and martyn who have his own ways of "obsessing" over cleo
How I love the ranchers 🫶 they can do no wrong, trust
@@yuki97kirathose obsessions took building/burning bridges too literally.
The Life series feels more like a reality show filled with actors.
Yeah we love your produced works but we also want to see you all just having genuine fun.
3rd Life introduced me to so many UA-camrs - thats how I started getting invested in Jimmy, Bdubs, Etho, Joel, etc. Last Life was even better because I got more interested in Mumbo and Lizzie, too! These life series are amazing.
The rare "new etho fan"... i've been watching etho for years and I swear 80% of his fanbase has been fans for at least 5 years. Etho was my entry into the life series, and although i had at least heard of most of the creators before, the series got me watching their perspectives
Thats true but knew joel,lizzy,jimmy ect. I only know grian and mumbo but then i know all of these awsome creators.
@@reaganharder1480 I have now also become a Etho fan. I first watched him due to Last Life/Double Life and finally subbed at Limited Life.
Tru, the life series made me get invested in Lizzie, Joel and Scott (somewhat Scar as well).
fr, the only people I knew were Joel, Scott, Lizzie, Jimmy, & Pearl. Got introduced to so many cool mcytbers from that series.
As a student in college I don't have a lot of time for You Tube, this means I am only able to pick a few favorite people to watch here and there. This is especially difficult when lore gets added in, even more so when it is compounded over multiple seasons. The nice thing about the Life Series was that I could jump in without having to watch everyone's side, or where they came from lore wise, to fully understand what was happening. I was able to just enjoy it.
15:26 it was at this moment solidarity realised that he had become the one he swore to destroy
4:52 jimmy standing up for my girl!!!!
I love the multi-perspective aspect. Seeing the different sides of, say, the Red Winter War is amazing. Seeing just Grian and Scar’s perspective takes away from the slow decent into madness of Ren and how Dogwarts went from a enchanting business to a kingdom. Or you might miss 5AM Pearl to understand why she is feared.
I think part of the reason why the life series did better is because there are set recording and posting times. So when you watch episodes from multiple creators, you know what's going on with the whole server and you aren't getting confused about the time lines of episodes.
Like with hermitcraft and empires you constantly don't know how many days it was filmed over or what parts of the episode are filmed on the same day. Then you have the fact that every creator records, edits, and posts at different times. So even if you watch multiple perspectives, it's hard to get fully immersed in it.
Last Life is definitely my favorite. (This may sound weird) but I love the story of all the suspicion and betrayal. And of course, I love the Southlands.
lAHAst life you mean
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10:07 I can tell you why. The Hermits x Empires crossover was treated more like a funny haha drama with pranks and fun times. The Life series is all about betrayal and vile murders and fun kills. Every week people are watching with a sense of silly bloodlust like “who’s raging today?” I for one can say I was watching Last Life solely for the Cleo and Bigb drama, and I threw my fist in the air when she finally killed him. There was just no moments of triumph in the Crossover event. The most dramatic thing that happened was the battle of Fort Riftless, and that was played more as silly and joking conflict more than actual consequences.
And that’s what it’s all about. Consequences. The higher the stakes, the better the story will do with the viewers.
I think the reason why the life series was better then the empires hermits cross is because the crossover was too close to Christmas and all the big name youtubers always take a month long break in January. So it was rushed and there wasn’t enough time for interaction between the two servers members. I think the crossover should have waited until March, April or May of 2023. Besides the Tagged game was too short. It didn’t get passed around a lot. I notice ever since Grian started the tag game it always increases the views. So I do hope the rift opens again. So you guys can finish tagged.
But I think it might with what’s happened. With evil sausage running amuck and Shubble being possessed by the Sculk it is only a matter of time that Grumbot has to be restored. And with Mumbo back in hermitcraft it is the perfect time to do so
18:31 “wild card element” foreshadowing wild life a year before it started 😭
lmao
10:00 because the whole lore and stuff was so out of left field that it just felt like a stampy video where he walks you through the world and maybe plays a mini game with his friend, while the life series is like a reality tv show where no complicated lore explaining why there here is needed. They all start at the same point and make it together vs having some new people get given some end game gear and fly around what’s already been made.
I loved the crossover, the reason I like the Life Series more is there are way more interactions. Take your POV of the crossover. It was often just you and scar. The Life Series you are usually getting at least 5 people all interacting from each POV each episode. And each POV is super unique. The Life Series is hands down my favorite series on UA-cam. Loving Limited Life so far!!
Grian's Life series was actually inspired from his mini-game Demise in Hermitcraft Season 6. Most people don't know Demise was the precursor.
The multi pov's are DEFINITELY one of the best things about the life series. It not only gives a lot of content to watch but also makes you see the events in a completely different manner. For example I started watching the life series with Lizzie on Last Life and it all seemed very calculative and sudden and sneaky, then (sticking with last life) I watched Scott that showed the side that was getting attacked quite a lot while still surviving and it showed the suspicion and paranoia and calculation that goes into it and a lot of the logistics of things. Grian showed a completely different storyline and made everything way more interesting as he was part of a big group where trust was vital factor and the way he was losing and gaining lives showed the foundations of how the server worked and the differences between how each life is treated and how one action could completely gain or lose peoples trust in you. Joel's was a different story, he was on red practically the entire series and lasted longer than everyone expected him to on red, it was very cool and new to see his pov and how his murder attempts were desperation and frustration because everything kept going wrong. Everywhere else Joel was the sneaky red name trapping and trying to kill everyone and made you side against him while his videos made you (slightly) pity him and side with him and to cheer for him at every trap even if you know the outcome. All the pov's showed a lot of emotion and true feeling and even the viewer can feel the adrenaline rush which is just absolutely amazing. The life series is definitely the best and I am definitely enjoying making my way round and watching the different pov's! And it's amazing to watch Jimmy reacting to videos like this as it can reveal details and things he may or may not comment on and uncovers secrets and explanations for things, it also helps to figure out who's pov to watch next if any of their clips are shown more. An amazing series and this comment turned out way longer than intended haha
The only thing I’ll say Ani didn’t touch up on much was the built stereotypes of each member. As he explained as Etho is quite a down to earth guy but you could hear the joy as he had murderous intent as the boogeyman. Take GoodTimesWithScar as an example. He is such a sweet, kind and clumsy soul. No one in their kind would expect Scar to live long in the series let alone win one (spoiler to Secret Life!) So the series keep people on edge showing different sides of the members and broke down stereotypes, and I think that’s really cool! :)
I feel like I've gotten so used to Tumblr lingo that I forget that regular people don't know what words like "Scrunkly" "scrimblo" and "blorbo" mean ^^;
And Animagician's description of the layered way you can watch episodes since they all get released at the same general time perfectly described my experience watching episode four of Double Life. I managed to hit this golden order of watching so that my experience only improved with each episode I watched, gathering bits of new information which recontextualized everything that came before it. It was IMMACULATE
15:00 "you've become the very thing you swore to destroy"
9:55 i think the life series also broke the expectations of the community about the collab,
noone imagined all these people to come together for a frickin' BLOODBATH and loving it so much
15:37 you either die a hero or you live long enough to become your worst enemy
I think the main thing that separates the life series from something like the dream smp and lifesteal smp is that the players interact regularly enough that EVERYONE is interconnected. I followed some of the lifesteal smp and dream smp, and every person's perspective felt like it wasn't even the same series. Events didn't feel connected, the plot was completely different depending on who you watched, and every person felt like they were trying to be the main character of the server, and alliances felt like they were just made and broken for literally no reason.
10:00 I think it was because of two things 1) the storylines 2) the povs and 3)sense of community. So basically because there’s a winner to the life series and all these different groups people get invested in seeing the end rather than the hermitcraft/empires crossover where there’s less tension and anticipation. In the crossover there is no winner, there are groups of content creators but there are very little conflicts and tension when they interact. However on the life series that’s baked into the episodes. Also because the life series has these groups of people and secrets if you want to know what another group is doing you have to watch their pov or the pov of another group that interacts with them. I think theres some genius in not making different pov watching necessary to understand the series. Like your average viewer doesn’t have enough time to watch all povs, but it would be fun to watch all of them. Also because people separate into groups you can choose who you want to win which not only gets you invested but also creates sub-fandoms and fan art around each of the groups. This in turn gives free advertising and increases the amount of people who will watch their next episode (because now they want to see their group do group things and or win).
8:06 "They're literally naming the series just to annoy the community."
This seems on-brand for anything involving Grian. XD
15:18 "you were meant to destroy the weekly shows, not join them!" Jimikin Solidywalker
I started watching so many more members of the community because of the life series, that's the reason I started watching you!
SAME
@@khushijannat7273 and the we are 3
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i feel like the life series worked better, in part because it takes place in a much smaller frame and everyone is online at the same time. which forces people to interact way more than they normally did on empires or hermitcraft. there, even with the crossover, players still played by themselves a lot of the time.
The crossover was good! I think it's natural that it wouldn't be as popular as the Life Series (as other people already pointed out it's way more beginner friendly) but it was a treat to those of us who are fans of both servers. I think that was worth it. And I think people did end up finding new creators to watch through it too. I feel like it's fine to sometimes do things that aren't as popular (although I know it's kinda stressful if your income depends on popularity) because it helps keep things fresh and fun
agreed!!
The emotion of Jimmy being eliminated first in all three of them. How is it even a coincidence anymore
I do not mind the timed releasing, because I know you guys are all working on the new episode each week, whereas big corporations who release weekly (like HBO) generally have the episodes done, but withhold them to deliberately build suspense. I'm honestly impressed you all manage to get the content out together on Fridays - that's so much work!
Did that "who's cutting onions?" Advancement made by impulse is everywhere, like I seen it in every episode of that session I've watched and now it's in this?!
17:55 oh yea, I forgot! Grian is in the series, right. (But really he is amazing at pvp totally by accident! Have you seen his MCC triple kill, it’s an amazing moment
yeah he's naturally talented at it, so is gem and others on the server i'm sure. i think what the video implies is being sweaty not necessarily skill. its a breath of fresh air not seeing people hyper click combo and stuff or whatever lol. love this series so much i hope it never ends, been watching since 3rd life
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I think the Life Series worked better from a viewer perspective than the empires/hermit crossover (though, I LOVED that too) was because it put everyone on equal footing. You didn’t have to watch your favorite creators either be Broke (tm) and running around homeless on a server that didn’t feel like their own, or showing “strangers” around months worth of progress. Everyone started together, and was able to grow and form together. Like how different seasons of the life series have different groups, because each entry is a new opportunity for all these creative people to interact with each other on a clean slate. The knowledge that it’s temporary, when it’s over it’s over, adds to a looming suspense. Who’s gonna win, rather than in the empires/hermit crossover, you knew when everyone went “home” that was that. Both of them worked, but the life series will always have a special little place in my heart for what it was able to accomplish in such a short time.
17:00 EXACTLY! I’ve watched the life series’ from Mumbo, Grian, Joel, Jimmy, Lizzy, Etho, Impulse, BigB and even more people’s povs
10:30 I think the crossover didn't do as well because we want to see everybody together from start to finish, which the life series does. The crossover episodes happened very late into both empires/hermitcraft seasons.
The crossover interrupted story lines, but the life series is a fresh start server and despite needing to have their guards up, everyone kinda lets their guard down and relaxes quite a bit 😂
9:45 the hermitcraft empires crossover is like visiting each others house, while the life series is the equivalent of goibg on a trip together
Last year, what my friend and I called “Last Life Tuesday” is what got us through senior year. We would legitimately count down the days to it and celebrate at lunch when the episodes came out.
The Hc/Empires cross over did not work because it sort of interrupted story lines on both servers. Like let's say Impulse is like "all right we are working on the mcguffing factory, I got cool plans. Next week I make the roof and the week after that I work on the mcguffinator... Oh Grian just send me a message to meet me at the rift..." And then people are flown off to the Empires for four weeks. It just interrupted the expected progress somehow.
What I would love to see is more cameos and collabs on both servers. Like "I'm working on my castle and I would need a magical terraforming... What's this, a Wizard Scar appears!". So have a visiting stars between servers bring their own expertise on projects. On Hermitcraft there would be less of character play, but on empires the hermits could do characters.
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“you ether dye a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain” -Star Wars
I find the Life series so fricking good because if you think about it, it's basically a improv roleplay tv show that releases every week, but you can choose a perspective or multiple to watch which makes it like an ongoing crossover... AND IT'S ALL MINECRAFT
im CRYING grian rlly did put all the skrunklies and scrimblos in one little cardboard box
1:19 I absolutely agree 10000%. The life series is an absolute all-star team of talent, and the sheer drama and hilarity of the storylines that play out is so captivating for a minecraft series. The fact that there are almost no rules, and that to win you absolutely have to betray everybody every one else makes it increadibly tense. And the chemistry of the group still keeps the actual community pretty peaceful and engaged is also part of it.
Also only about 10-14 eps. a year, its not hard to keep up with.
14:45 I had rewatch it to understand what he was saying- I heard it but forgot to understand.. lol
10:20 Imo the reason its so popular other than its short and easy to follow - you guys interact more in the lives series, than on Hermitcraft for an example - and have lots of fun, making people laugh. And the chaos is glorious.
That’s so true that’s why I love it more i wish I saw more interactions on hermit craft
For me the life series was at its best at third life and last life, and then peaked again at secret life. And wild life is still pretty good but didn’t have the effect of me watching a lot of different perspectives like in secret life.
See I think the reason the Life series works so well is because there aren't many other series that have all the players on at the same time. It creates a space to see everyone interact which doesn't happen on servers like hermitcraft. Most times on hermit craft there are very few points when all the players are together and because of that it doesnt feel like a group, whereas the life series creates this group atmosphere and you get to see players interact that dont get to interact much spend time together.
10:24 for me personally with hermitcraft, I am mostly just interested in at most a few individual creators, mostly just Grian.
So when there is a crossover, I don’t really pay attention to it.
But when you’re in a series like last life, it’s great to see multiple point of views of different people cause of the events that play out. That’s great, but hard and not viable to replicate in for instance hermitcraft.
10:12 my guess is that people can rewatch their favorites without having to find a video in the middle of a series to start with. If one person wants to watch someone they usually don't watch, they just need to be caught up to someone else's pov to understand the context for things.
4:16 Can we appreciate how amazing this timing was?
Yessss it gave me chills
The horrified "I'm HBO?!!" was too funny, haha
10:36 He said it and it happened. We got Martyn on New Life!!!!
9:50 - for me it took so long to want to watch EVERYONEs POV, as cool as it was I had to catch up on a lot more episodes and POVS so I think that's probably similar to everyone else as well
There’s many amazing things about the life series. I think it being so short makes sure no one can be bored of it because it doesn’t get repetitive, and having it uploaded once a week means people can’t get ahead and it makes fans wait. Another thing is we are deprived for so long that we are desperate for the slightest news of a new life series even though we know it likely won’t last long. Also I really like the names and I assumed it was common knowledge that they were meant to be numbered in random orders and generally confusing to new fans.
15:05 you’re HBO, but free. And arguably with some better content
The life series showed me a bunch of people I’ve never heard of until that point, at the time I only knew Grian, Joel, Scott and BigB and I didn’t really watch them that much but I was hooked after watching the first episode from Grian’s POV
15:16 this is literally the funniest thing he said in the video,he’s become his mortal enemy lol-
My personal tinfoil hat theory is that the Life series confusing naming convention will eventually let me create a chronological timeline in a similar way that people created a timeline for the Legend of Zelda series.
??? ‐ Double Life - 3rd Life - ??? - Limited Life - ??? - Last Life
My theory on the crossover vs. Life series success, is that the crossover was too much information! There were so many people and you didn't necessarily know what everyone's deal was. And, since there were so many people, it was hard to keep track and hard to choose who to watch.
Whereas the Life series, you didn't need to know who ANYONE was. You knew how many episodes you were in for and there were clear enough alliances to keep track of everyone. I imagine there were a lot of new viewers who came along for the ride.
It's true! I found the Life Series through Scott, and at the time I had seen some old videos from Bdubs and Scar, the odd Grian video here and there, and I had heard of Etho and a few other Hermits. But that was it for the Third Life members. (I had either watched or heard of all the later arrivals--Lizzie, Mumbo, Pearl and Gem.)
Throughout the seasons I slowly got more and more familiar with the rest of the members, until I was watching every single upload for Secret Life. So when comments from both viewers and the Lifers in the videos kept alluding to some giant minigame project on Hermitcraft, I got curious enough to take a peek...and I've been hooked on HC ever since. Unlike the previous times I had tried to watch HC content, I was able to match enough voices to usernames and in-game faces thanks to the Life Series, that I didn't get confused or overwhelmed.
I adore the Life series. The multiple pov's make the journey so much fun. You can hop around and see different pov's in different styles to catch all the drama. The shorter length makes it more approachable than something like Hermetcraft, which can feel overwhelming if you fall behind. I also enjoy how relaxed everyone seems to feel not having to worry about making mega builds and getting to have some fun planning silly traps and killing each other. Double-life was my favorite! I loved the dynamic of everyone pairing up and having to take care of each other while still fighting the others.
my take on why the Life series went better than HC/EMP crossover: in Life you started with no story line. We, the viewers, had nothing to catch up on. With the crossover, there were elaborated story lines, sometimes spanning multiple series (Pearl+Sausage, Grumbot arc) that left some of us confused.
...I’m just stuck on the fabulous use of the ballet Romeo & Juliet music in the background at 01:15. 😂 Love it. So dramatic!
Last life was awesome, and so was limited life, but for me nothing tops the story of Scar and Grian from Third Life. When they had to duel it was tear-inducing... After all they had been through together...
9:30, I'd say a big part of it is the crossovers happening on established servers meant people who were not in the native habitat had to find some way to blend in more. They aren't established on the server, they don't have any big or long-term plans, they're just kinda along for the ride. I think it somewhat worked better for the Hermits on the Empires server because all or most of them contributed to the Hermitopia tower, and Grian particularly had the Grumbot storyline to push and get established for. Pearl and False's unique approaches to being members of both servers also, I think, helped them fit things in more naturally.
When everyone is on a Life server, though, you all start at the same time and develop together. There are no established nations and alliances, they develop organically. Nobody is being thrown into a situation with existing diplomatic ties or societal hostilities. Nobody has any infrastructure in place that either jumpstarts or gives advantages. Not that the crossover did badly, but it just couldn't be set up to develop as naturally or organically when the parties involved in the crossover are not "equal" in some way.
ive never cried from laughing but 15:32 had me in tears
7:54 "SECRETLLY, SECRETLLY we were breaking the fourth wall" Did he knew all along about secret life!?
18:00 I didn't even notice that! That's actually a really good point!
10:10 The crossover of Hermits/Empires didn't work partly because not all of the hermits bought in. Plus, there was no upfront commitment of a specific, collaborative deliverable the way the was with the life series. That probably made it less motivating for the hermits, as well as for the audience. I can't speak for the Empires team, 'cause I don't know them well.
1. I agree. Out of the first three Last life was the best (although that might be because I really like the Scott and Pearl duo) and I can't really judge a series with only two episodes. 2. I think maybe the life series did better than the crossover because people interact *way* more, also it's just so different.
it really has the vibe of old school mindcrack uhcs and it brings back so many memories
I think there are many reasons why the life series worked better than the Hermit/Empires crossover, and a lot of them have been mentioned in the comments and the video already. Another one that I haven’t seen mentioned yet is I feel 3rd Life was released at a critical time, when DreamSMP was around its peak and still active. So you have this large viewer base that’s already been introduced to Minecraft server improv with some role playing that doesn’t take itself too seriously (at least that’s how dsmp used to be). 3rd life fit perfectly into the interests of that fanbase, so convert videos boosted the numbers alongside regular viewers of the creators involved and people who were completely new to all of it. Personally, I was a dsmp fan, and a friend who was also into dsmp at the tme recommended 3rd life. I watched Grian’s POV, then a bunch of others, and then I started watching hermitcraft. Now I’m a huge hermitcraft fan and it and the life series are 95% of the Minecraft content I consume.
I think that the life series being recorded with everyone on simultaneously in a small world, is a big factor in its success. not only that but no one is ever really on by themself, so theres just so many interactions that can be seen from multiple POVs and its grreat to peice together the true story of what happened during the session. I also think that the fact that there are such a large ammount of players releasing episodes on the same day, creates an attention surge thats extremely good for the algorithm. there are honestly so many very important small little factors that seem to make these servers so successful, but really its also just a great roster of amazing people who are great entertainers, and even better when you all put your efforts together!
In addition to Knives Out, the Life Series reminds me a lot of the early days of the Dream SMP. Everyone playing at the same time, with their own perspectives - that's the REASON why the dsmp was so good for so many creators. Everyone, on some level, is nosy. They want to know what's going on with the other group, and with multiple perspectives, they can see that!
Yep. What made DSMP succeed was everyone's own story from their own perspective. And Last Life had exactly that.
10:24 if I had to guess it would be because of 3 reasons. A. It was in the middle of the season, we’d already seen the people before and we were going to see them after. B. It didn’t have as many stakes as the life series as that was a hardcore series and this was in survival. And C. There wasn’t as much of a mix up, in 3rd life, there’s a big mix up between when everyone is green and having a good time and when scar turns red, in last life there’s a big mix up when you find out that who you thought you could trust is the boogeyman, in double life there’s still the 3rd life mix up but also because you know you have another persons life on your hands, in limited life there’s a mix up because you see how short your life is, in secret life there’s a mix up because you’ve got a new task and you have no idea what it is or how hard it is, in wildlife there’s a mix up as you’ve gotta adapt to the wild card. It was cool seeing the hermits come over to empires, but it was a hook that never reeled in (or at least not as much as the life series)
Hihi! Love the video. I do have my own opinion for your question in the video btw.
The crossover between HC and Empires didn't really had much impact like Last Life Series. There wasn't much interactions, cooperative between both servers far as LL would do. LL makes everyone has to interact with each other more often, creating short story each episode with overall plot that is mostly still undecided until near the end.
Really, I did find the crossover to be sort've lacking really too in story-wise thought process for me. I did expected Mumbo to be the one that brought them back, regardless of how many month and watch HC just absolutely overturn the balance in the Empire even further with their own project. I did want to see they make like a shopping center where the Empires would eventually take over after crossover because of how useful it would be for them, or just make them go raze it down because they don't like it.
And I thought that Empire would band together and create something that is like god-like to leave their mark on the HC server, banding together to get all the materials as well diamonds to buy from the HC shops to do so. I wouldn't be surprised if there's drama in them doing that too and Hermits has to be the one that send them back home because they're just naughty.
Also, there's another factor about the cross over. It's really short from HC side I usually watch since I'm not Empire watcher.
Either way, this is just my own opinion. I just want to state it for some consideration.
Putting a ton of relatively nooby survival players (as in surviving/pvp) in a death match server will always be peak
I think the collabs via life series work out a little bit better than the empiresxhermitcraft crossover has a lot to do with scheduling. Since you’ve all got to record at the same time in such a small and undeveloped map it forces the interactions
With the crossover you guys were pretty much going into another’s territory that you may not be as familiar with and no one wants to step on anyone’s toes
'Life' series is its own entity. While the crossover was a jumbling of two separate entities.
it's like mixing fajitas with a bowl of Capn' Crunch. They are both great on their own, . . . but I would sure hate to have to eat them together.
4:50 so that's what was missing- lol
Jimmy actually acknowledged it!
The crossover between Empires and hermitcraft I think is less so an idea of the worlds not being compatible with different concepts, I think it is more so a factor of doing it without a start so you see a lot more individual content and it didn't mesh well as Empires is more structured while Hermitcraft plays more loose and fluid with how things are played so having it not start together was already a sort of lukewarm start and the factor that neither side really played to one world or another. The Crossover is also fairly fanon inspired as its one of those things the fandoms would only think of happening without expecting it, possibly thinking of people adapting different personas on Empire while everyone got to be themselves on Hermitcraft.The Life serieses have everyone start together as one group instead of mashing two seperate groups together. Like the personalities in idea can work and the idea of story crossover can work, I should know, I love writing Multiverse shit.
In the Hermit Empires crossover my ideal way of how to do it would be a storyline built too unlike an aspect of everyone going together after barely resolving another loose plot on Hermitcraft. I would have structured it as more of a trickle through like the King's Minigame would have been ending, Ren escapes and the Diamonds are gone so everyone goes after him, some people find him at the Rift and it would be that Ren and another member or two from Hermitcraft would go through with a portal being opened for a moment before it closed, leaving the glass fade. What would come after would have been on the Empires side (KingRen being lost for a bit in multiverse shenanigans) with the hermits that came through being discovered by the empires and they get to start their own small empires for a few episodes before others come through, playing into characters instead of being the Hermitcraft version of themself, like maybe Cleo is one of the first and could have still gone with Joey, giving a mutiny before others came through like she did with X before Hermitopia. And again, Hermitopia was my biggest gripe as it felt like the Hermitcraft members mostly tried to stay with eachother instead of interacting with the wider server. Ultimately it would culminate in Emperor Grumbot fixing the polarity of the portal and allowing people to go to Hermitcraft. Both series are more long form series over short form so having the crossover being over the course of like 2 - 3 months instead of just over one month of hermits on empires would have been more creatively driven IMO. The Empires on Hermitcraft I see why it was just a month as the Empires side has a more continual storyline idea so the draw back has the allure to go back and if one of the members go through, most should as well.
That is just my opinion of it, just the factor of it being a lot more condensed in what the HermPires stuff did. The Life Series had a different dynamic and has a similar reality aspect as Hermitcraft without having the storied anchor of Empires.
Great video, he makes a lot of great points in that video, and I laughed way too hard at 15:13