I always watch you videos... You sir are "formidable" as we say in French ! You are a fantastic story teller and although English is not my primary language I understand everything you say. Bravo and thank you. I wish that we could have a guy like you for the Canon videos in French for our customers...
yeah imagine the prices, also if we learn from another manufactures, most of them only have one lens with apodization element within their lineup. Sony only have 100mm 2.8 STF GM, Fuji only have 56mm f/1.2 APD. STF = APD = DS, they are the same things.
Canon: *announces new 85mm rf ds* Canon: "Dear all the customers who bought the original rf 85mm and sold your organs" Customers: "Yes?" Canon: "Ha lol"
I applaud the honesty f this presentation.... if lowlight performance is paramount, get the regular version, if beautiful bokeh is paramount, get the DS version. Was it just me though, in viewing the side by side images - before looking to see which was the DS image, in every case, I selected the non-DS image as favorite? Go figure.
Harder lines are more distracting from the subject. Smoother bokeh serves a much more effective purpose. As with all, if I had a few kidneys to spare, it would be mine.
Hi, I saw your amazing information about the difference btw the Canon 85mm f1,2 lens and the Canon 85mm f1,2 DS. I understand that although the DS provide a slightly better bokeh effect, the non-DS allow more light to going through the lens. So, for low light conditions the non-DS is better. In conclusion I think ??? (but I might be wrong), he DS version better bokeh effect is NOT very noticeable although I see it if we make side by side comparion and so probably the non-DS is better for 99 percect of usage. Am I correct on this assumtion? I own a Canon R5 body and I do street, landscape, portrait photography. Andrea
Hi Andrea, This really comes down to personal choice and preference. The DS and Non=DS give you two different ways to render the bokeh, out of focus areas of the image. In the DS version out of focus edges are rendered smoother when using wide apertures of f3.2 and wider. Each photographer would have to decide the effect they find more appealing. If capturing images in the lowest of light is most important, the Non-DS lens has the advantage. Ultimately it depends on your photographic style. We hope this helps.
I'm planning on picking up one of these lenses next week, but it's so hard to choose. Does the DS have the same depth of field as the original RF 85mm 1.2?
Hello: Optically, the lenses are identical in size, weight and design. The DS version renders the out of focus area differently and apertures f3.2 and wider. As Rudy notes at minute 1:52 in the video, the apparent depth of field is greater on the DS version of the lens. For more specifics, contact our camera team at 1-800-652-2666 Monday-Friday: 9:00 am to 9:00 pm ET, Saturday: 9:00 am to 7:00 pm ET, excluding holidays. We hope this helps.
I have eos r and planning to buy this rf 85mm f 1.2 l usm lens. My requirement is i want to shoot portrait videos for my vlogging. Will this lens give me bokeh effect and blur the background in video shooting ??
Hi. It sure will! A popular lens option for portrait work and getting great bokeh effects. To help narrow down the right lens for your needs, visit our lens buying guide at: canon.us/3dZ7nYi
I knew there's no miracles in real world. Ever. *Optics, laws of physics are ALWAYS a compromise.* Yes, a gorgeous bokeh, but it can't be so simple... additional coating... where is this BUT? Where is it? Ah, here it is! A 1.3 stops exposure loss! Now we're talking. P.S. Looking fantastic anyway.
@@longliveclassicmusic No, I'm an ordinary shooter, the best I have is 80D and 5D Classic =) Mirrorless world is only waiting for me... sometime in a while :D
Hi Shang-Hsien There is no difference in the focus speed and accuracy between the RF 85mm F1.2L USM DS lens and the non-DS version. Dual Pixel Auto Focus is not affected in any way when comparing the DS to the non-DS version. We hope this is helpful.
Hello Awuoth: You can certainly use the lens to take images at night. The EOS R and EOS RP cameras will have free firmware updates to allow the cameras to properly meter and set exposure when this lens is attached. As Rudy notes, if your primary requirement is maximum low light performance, then the non-DS version may be the better choice. However, if the special Bokeh rendering is most important, then this DS lens should be considered.
Hello Luis, Currently we do not offer an EOS M5 Mark II camera. Both the EOS M6 Mark II and the EOS M5 cameras are mirrorless units with the APS-C size image sensor. If you have specific questions on either camera our EOS support team is happy to assist you at 1-800-OK-CANON (1-800-652-2666) Monday - Friday 9:00 am to 9:00 pm ET. Saturday 9:00 am to 7:00 pm ET, excluding holidays. We hope this is helpful.
@@CanonUSA thank you for your feedback. But the true is the M6II, has a great and new sensor, but the lcd doens't rotate like the M50, it does not have evf.... i think the 90D /version mirrorless is needed. Thank you.
Long time ago of course. But just to clarify: No, effect is totally different. A diffusor filter would soften the whole image an bring everything basically out of focus. This technique on the other side will only affect out of focus parts. Everything else stays absolutely sharp. You could attempt to reproduce it in photoshop, but it also wouldn’t lead to the same outcome, as you would only be able to apply effects on areas instead of every single spot
This lens has an apodization filter inside which is not a really new technology. A similar lens with apodization filter is the Sony FE 100mm f/2.8 STF GM OSS. Also similar bokeh offer with two aperture diaphragms the α-mount Sony 135mm f/2.8 STF, and the Laowa 105mm f/2 Smooth Trans Focus Lens. Canon in 1987 produced a 135 mm f/2.8 SoftFocus lens.
Soft focus and smooth trans focus is different, Minolta have 100mm soft focus and canon have 135mm soft focus, Minolta have 135mm stf in canon DS. In Sony is STF. But this not soft focus
@@jaekim5397 You arent pushing anything because your claim isnt true and obviously stupid. "The EOS R's sensor ... isnt good enough to receive all the Data from RF lenses". You dont know what you are talking about. 90-95% of the Data comes from the Image Sensor, Post Processing and the AF system. So the sensor isnt capable to receive this 5% from the RF Lens? You are a joke
I wish Someone WITH The DS version would show us how it performs in low light. I mean big deal 1.3 stops of light on paper. Most make it seem like the lense will simply shut off if the light isn't bright. Let's say the inside of a church at a wedding, of night time outside. Does anyone here have this lense/ If so how do you feel about its low light performance?
Hello: You may want to ask this on our Canon Forum where users post and reply to each other’s questions. Here is a link: Canon.us/69l98. Also doing a search on UA-cam for “compare rf85mm f1.2 vs 1.2 DS” will bring up a multiple video comparisons and samples. We hope this helps.
I have the DS version as well as other RF L lenses. The „loss“ is actually pretty irrelevant as long as you are not shooting as complete pitch black situations. 1.3 stops are a difference, but a small one. ISO raise is not a problem with R cameras and adjusting the shutter speed a bit will also compensate. Plus you may shoot in raw anyway so there is more than a enough room to raise brightness. On the other hand the DS bokeh is absolutely unique. It’s hard to find images on the internet showing it in real life situations but I am noticing it nearly every time. From outdoor to indoor shoots, this thing is a masterpiece. Especially when you have situations with a busy background (think about portraits with a lot of foliage and light), it will soften that too, making the overall image more appealing and smooth. I guess it really depends what you are shooting. Are you a wedding photographer who’s shooting time is often at the late night parties? Maybe the non DS version would fit you for that little edge in light gain. But don’t forget that f1.2 will also produce a very shallow DOF. Which may be something that you can’t use in many situations which would make the possible light gain obsolete. I usually shoot at times were there is more than enough light even at late night weddings. In addition, especially for photographers who shoot portraits at daytime, the light loss is actually a big benefit! Why? Because of you want to use f1.2 for that nice bokeh, you will probably struggle with to much light and require a ND filter to compensate. The DS light „loss“ at f1.2 might give you exactly the „loss“ you might need to still be able to shoot without requiring a DS filter.
@@yixuz42 If you put a anodization lens in it, there is always a light loss. Everybody knows this and therefore Canon has to be honest. But I assume that some people dont get it that 1,3 Stop light loss isnt affecting depth of field. So its basically a f1.2 lens with a t-stop of 2.0. Nothing wrong with that
the lense and DS is amazing great - your prices for this one and other RF lenses are nevertheless true madness !!! sorry!! you only want rich people as customers?
I love that these lenses are super expensive! It means I'm a cut above the rest and that not every Tom, Dick and Harry is going to have the same. Oh, forgot to mention about bragging rights too 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
Hello Ali, Canon had designed and engineered the RF 85mm f/1.2L USM DS lens to work with Canon full frame mirrorless cameras, with the RF lens mount. Currently these cameras include the EOS R and EOS RP. I hope this is helpful.
Thank you Rudy, for such a great, honest and truthful introduction without any bias like others! Excellent lens!
I have no more kidneys Canon 😕...
ahahahahahaha
you still have a heart and a liver to trade.
Emman Kianga isn’t that the truth!
@@SuperTrevino23 💯 sad truth
I always watch you videos... You sir are "formidable" as we say in French ! You are a fantastic story teller and although English is not my primary language I understand everything you say. Bravo and thank you. I wish that we could have a guy like you for the Canon videos in French for our customers...
Imagine all the future lenses get a DS version. 70-200 f:2.8 IS DS, 50 f/1.2 DS, 300 f/2.8 IS DS
yeah imagine the prices, also if we learn from another manufactures, most of them only have one lens with apodization element within their lineup. Sony only have 100mm 2.8 STF GM, Fuji only have 56mm f/1.2 APD. STF = APD = DS, they are the same things.
Canon: *announces new 85mm rf ds*
Canon: "Dear all the customers who bought the original rf 85mm and sold your organs"
Customers: "Yes?"
Canon: "Ha lol"
As usually Rudy, you nailed it!
I applaud the honesty f this presentation.... if lowlight performance is paramount, get the regular version, if beautiful bokeh is paramount, get the DS version. Was it just me though, in viewing the side by side images - before looking to see which was the DS image, in every case, I selected the non-DS image as favorite? Go figure.
I came to same conclusions. The DS version looks a little artificial to my eyes
actually i like the bokeh from the non-DS lens more 🤷🏻♂️
I don't. It doesnt have that magic.
Ray Valdez Photography agreed
Harder lines are more distracting from the subject. Smoother bokeh serves a much more effective purpose. As with all, if I had a few kidneys to spare, it would be mine.
Me too, I do not like the smooth bokeh.
I also prefer the non DS version
Hi, I saw your amazing information about the difference btw the Canon 85mm f1,2 lens and the Canon 85mm f1,2 DS.
I understand that although the DS provide a slightly better bokeh effect, the non-DS allow more light to going through the lens.
So, for low light conditions the non-DS is better.
In conclusion I think ??? (but I might be wrong), he DS version better bokeh effect is NOT very noticeable although I see it if we make side by side comparion and so probably the non-DS is better for 99 percect of usage.
Am I correct on this assumtion?
I own a Canon R5 body and I do street, landscape, portrait photography.
Andrea
Hi Andrea,
This really comes down to personal choice and preference. The DS and Non=DS give you two different ways to render the bokeh, out of focus areas of the image. In the DS version out of focus edges are rendered smoother when using wide apertures of f3.2 and wider. Each photographer would have to decide the effect they find more appealing. If capturing images in the lowest of light is most important, the Non-DS lens has the advantage. Ultimately it depends on your photographic style.
We hope this helps.
My shooting requirements cover an even wider range than is provided by these lenses - I'll take one of each please.
wow i love this lens but price is very high
please canon i request that make a lens which is budget lens and macro wide and tele I mean 3 in 1 lens
I'm planning on picking up one of these lenses next week, but it's so hard to choose. Does the DS have the same depth of field as the original RF 85mm 1.2?
Hello:
Optically, the lenses are identical in size, weight and design. The DS version renders the out of focus area differently and apertures f3.2 and wider. As Rudy notes at minute 1:52 in the video, the apparent depth of field is greater on the DS version of the lens. For more specifics, contact our camera team at 1-800-652-2666 Monday-Friday: 9:00 am to 9:00 pm ET, Saturday: 9:00 am to 7:00 pm ET, excluding holidays.
We hope this helps.
Rudy can’t fail!
I'm turned off by the loss of light at f1.2. after watching this video, I would purchase the non-DS version.
RUDIII YOU ROCK MAN
I have eos r and planning to buy this rf 85mm f 1.2 l usm lens. My requirement is i want to shoot portrait videos for my vlogging. Will this lens give me bokeh effect and blur the background in video shooting ??
Hi. It sure will! A popular lens option for portrait work and getting great bokeh effects. To help narrow down the right lens for your needs, visit our lens buying guide at: canon.us/3dZ7nYi
I knew there's no miracles in real world. Ever. *Optics, laws of physics are ALWAYS a compromise.* Yes, a gorgeous bokeh, but it can't be so simple... additional coating... where is this BUT? Where is it? Ah, here it is! A 1.3 stops exposure loss! Now we're talking. P.S. Looking fantastic anyway.
Paul Kretz I mean have you even tried an EOS R as high as 32,000 ISO? It's completely unbelievable.
@@longliveclassicmusic No, I'm an ordinary shooter, the best I have is 80D and 5D Classic =) Mirrorless world is only waiting for me... sometime in a while :D
I wonder how the DS optics would affect the dual pixel autofocus. Would it be slower than the 85mm f/1.2L or the differences would be negligible?
Hi Shang-Hsien
There is no difference in the focus speed and accuracy between the RF 85mm F1.2L USM DS lens and the non-DS version. Dual Pixel Auto Focus is not affected in any way when comparing the DS to the non-DS version.
We hope this is helpful.
@@CanonUSA Nice to know this valuable information! Thank you!
Can this lense be used for night photography? Considering the light loss when shooting wide
Hello Awuoth:
You can certainly use the lens to take images at night. The EOS R and EOS RP cameras will have free firmware updates to allow the cameras to properly meter and set exposure when this lens is attached. As Rudy notes, if your primary requirement is maximum low light performance, then the non-DS version may be the better choice. However, if the special Bokeh rendering is most important, then this DS lens should be considered.
I feel like chef John from food wishes is teaching me about this lens.
THIS LENS IS UP THERE AT MEDIUM FORMAT LEN PRICES! IN FACT ITS COST MORE! (I.E Fuji GF 110mm f2 - which is like a 1.4 in DOF).
It's more like 1.6 in DOF
Hi. Can you tell me if the new M6II is the M5 Mark II? When Canon realese a true mirrorless APS (like a 90D) ?
Hello Luis,
Currently we do not offer an EOS M5 Mark II camera. Both the EOS M6 Mark II and the EOS M5 cameras are mirrorless units with the APS-C size image sensor. If you have specific questions on either camera our EOS support team is happy to assist you at 1-800-OK-CANON (1-800-652-2666) Monday - Friday 9:00 am to 9:00 pm ET. Saturday 9:00 am to 7:00 pm ET, excluding holidays.
We hope this is helpful.
@@CanonUSA thank you for your feedback. But the true is the M6II, has a great and new sensor, but the lcd doens't rotate like the M50, it does not have evf.... i think the 90D /version mirrorless is needed. Thank you.
A diffusion filter will have the exact same effect, but it does make the entire image a bit softer which I really like
Long time ago of course. But just to clarify: No, effect is totally different. A diffusor filter would soften the whole image an bring everything basically out of focus. This technique on the other side will only affect out of focus parts. Everything else stays absolutely sharp. You could attempt to reproduce it in photoshop, but it also wouldn’t lead to the same outcome, as you would only be able to apply effects on areas instead of every single spot
Olympus solution for apoduzation effect is way more clever...
I just need a rf85 1.8...can not afford this one, both the pocket and the muscle.
Rudy is actually the best. I want him to sign my 5DIV.
Losing stops is a bummer
I need without DS 😊
This lens has an apodization filter inside which is not a really new technology.
A similar lens with apodization filter is the Sony FE 100mm f/2.8 STF GM OSS.
Also similar bokeh offer with two aperture diaphragms the α-mount Sony 135mm f/2.8 STF, and the Laowa 105mm f/2 Smooth Trans Focus Lens.
Canon in 1987 produced a 135 mm f/2.8 SoftFocus lens.
Did you watch video? It's not a soft focus lens.
Google UserX How wrote it is a soft focus lens. I wrote from the beginning that it has an apodization filter inside.
Achilleas Labrou It’s not a flipping soft-focus lens. He explicitly said so. And it’s obvious from the fact the subject is sharp
Soft focus and smooth trans focus is different, Minolta have 100mm soft focus and canon have 135mm soft focus, Minolta have 135mm stf in canon DS. In Sony is STF. But this not soft focus
Where is EOS R Pro? This lens requires a better camera...
No, why?
@@geko9425 EOS R's sensor and other functions are not good enough to receive all the data from RF lenses..They need Pro level camera for RF lenses
@@jaekim5397 Aha. And you are the first one in the world who discovered this? You are a joke
No..I keep pushing them all the way...Do you have any problem with that?
@@jaekim5397 You arent pushing anything because your claim isnt true and obviously stupid. "The EOS R's sensor ... isnt good enough to receive all the Data from RF lenses". You dont know what you are talking about. 90-95% of the Data comes from the Image Sensor, Post Processing and the AF system. So the sensor isnt capable to receive this 5% from the RF Lens? You are a joke
I have no money
yes
this is big problem
Hire a truck and drive it and hit to ATM Machine. Then you go you will get cash Lol.......*please dont do it just fantasy for joke.
@@73alansetiawan haha
Canon: It is your problem, not ours. lol
it's win win due to the 2x the chance of people shelling out a ton of money :-D
Just call it a 1.2 to 1.4 then
This reminds me of the so called micro contrast you get from Zeiss and Leica but with af.
I wish Someone WITH The DS version would show us how it performs in low light. I mean big deal 1.3 stops of light on paper. Most make it seem like the lense will simply shut off if the light isn't bright. Let's say the inside of a church at a wedding, of night time outside. Does anyone here have this lense/ If so how do you feel about its low light performance?
Hello:
You may want to ask this on our Canon Forum where users post and reply to each other’s questions. Here is a link: Canon.us/69l98. Also doing a search on UA-cam for “compare rf85mm f1.2 vs 1.2 DS” will bring up a multiple video comparisons and samples.
We hope this helps.
I have the DS version as well as other RF L lenses. The „loss“ is actually pretty irrelevant as long as you are not shooting as complete pitch black situations. 1.3 stops are a difference, but a small one. ISO raise is not a problem with R cameras and adjusting the shutter speed a bit will also compensate. Plus you may shoot in raw anyway so there is more than a enough room to raise brightness.
On the other hand the DS bokeh is absolutely unique. It’s hard to find images on the internet showing it in real life situations but I am noticing it nearly every time. From outdoor to indoor shoots, this thing is a masterpiece. Especially when you have situations with a busy background (think about portraits with a lot of foliage and light), it will soften that too, making the overall image more appealing and smooth.
I guess it really depends what you are shooting. Are you a wedding photographer who’s shooting time is often at the late night parties? Maybe the non DS version would fit you for that little edge in light gain. But don’t forget that f1.2 will also produce a very shallow DOF. Which may be something that you can’t use in many situations which would make the possible light gain obsolete.
I usually shoot at times were there is more than enough light even at late night weddings.
In addition, especially for photographers who shoot portraits at daytime, the light loss is actually a big benefit! Why? Because of you want to use f1.2 for that nice bokeh, you will probably struggle with to much light and require a ND filter to compensate. The DS light „loss“ at f1.2 might give you exactly the „loss“ you might need to still be able to shoot without requiring a DS filter.
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The effect is similar to canon sumire primes..
Okay why can yall make lenses but release 3 year old cameras?
1.3 stop light loss!
And? Whats your problem?
Sony loses 2 stops.
GE KO Is there a problem of saying what canon is saying in their own video? Are you pretending 1.3 stop loss of light is nothing?
Shang-Hsien Yang thanks. I didn’t know much about DS lens, so I’m quite shocked. I also like how honest Canon is in their own commercial video.
@@yixuz42 If you put a anodization lens in it, there is always a light loss. Everybody knows this and therefore Canon has to be honest.
But I assume that some people dont get it that 1,3 Stop light loss isnt affecting depth of field.
So its basically a f1.2 lens with a t-stop of 2.0. Nothing wrong with that
4:00 thought that was Jared Polin
But I like 85mm f1. 2 Non-Ds bokeh..
I'm just going to smolder Vaseline all over a UV filter instead.
It’s also ridiculously over priced! I’m sure it’s magical though.
DS looks more artificial in my opinion - I love the non DS-Version and I don’t like the light loss
So. Your M mount is dead??????
@Stefanie Daniella I get tired of having to use adapters. On Canon's website there is only 6 native lenses that can mount on my M50. 6.
More or less from the number of RF lenses that keeps getting released.
@@DavidFernandez-sc5ws its Not a Problem, Sigma is releasing for the M mount and Canon will also do, because its now clear whats the future
@@lioneldude rf lenses don't work on ef-m cameras.
DS produces bokeh that looks like fake gaussian blur bokeh.
it does not worth 650 euros for différence
the lense and DS is amazing great - your prices for this one and other RF lenses are nevertheless true madness !!! sorry!! you only want rich people as customers?
I love that these lenses are super expensive! It means I'm a cut above the rest and that not every Tom, Dick and Harry is going to have the same. Oh, forgot to mention about bragging rights too 🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
Didn’t know Dr. Phil had a brother
we dont want another 3K $ 85mm. We want a RF 1,4 with IS.
Nicolas Auproux stop being cheap go get a sigma
This lens work with sony camera
Hello Ali,
Canon had designed and engineered the RF 85mm f/1.2L USM DS lens to work with Canon full frame mirrorless cameras, with the RF lens mount. Currently these cameras include the EOS R and EOS RP.
I hope this is helpful.
@@CanonUSA think you so much
Bokalicius
Bokeh for days!