This Guy Claims To Be Native Level At Japanese
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
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This week we talked to Kaiwa Coaching, who was mentioned by Yumely in the last podcast as one of the best speakers of Japanese that she's met. In the podcast we find out just how good he really is..
Outline:
0:00 Kaiwa Introduction
2:25 Is Kaiwa Native Level at Japanese?
4:40 How to Shock Japanese People
6:50 Kaiwa's Unique Method for Studying Japanese
10:40 Studying on Pitch Accent for Native Level
15:05 The Best Immersion Content For Japanese
18:49 The Struggles of Understanding Japanese Dialects
19:35 Has Kaiwa Ever Met Someone Better Than Him At Japanese?
22:45 Kaiwa Coaching Speaks Japanese
#Japanese #NativeLevel
that advice about starting now and not spending so much time discussing the best methods is so good
I'm a native Japanese, and his Japanese is really AMAZING. It might be better for people who are learning Japanese to follow his good example(no one-size-fits all kinda methods tho) because I would see him as a native, if I didn't know he's an international person, which is not a Japanese fake compliment. So, I understand the feelings of Japanese people who saw him as a native.
But, needles to say, korekara podcast's Japanese level is also at a mind blowing level as well;)
Learning languages are not winning or losing, so please don't compare with someone, and enjoy the process😊👌
ノンネイティブって知らなかったら、普通に日本人だと思いますー🌸おめでとう😊👏👏👏
he's very good but i can tell he isn't native, small things give it away. I'm just gonna list the things that i noticed during the last of his Japanese speaking portion:
small pitch accent ambiguities when saying certain words. 23:42 日本語、23:44 努力
24:19 pitch accent for Twitter (ツイッター) went down (possibly influenced by the English pronunciation) when usually Japanese speakers say ツイッター （↗ →）
24:39 he said 今さら when it should be 今から
24:45 when he said どんな the pitch accent is off (he said どんな↗ but it should be どんな↘)
24:49 pitch accent of 考え is off
24:54 he said どうでもならない but it actually should be どうにもならない
Thank you for calling him out
Great one guys!
great guest!!!!
Thanks, Yumely. I wasn't sure what to do, but then I smashed the like button.
I'm American. I think his English sounds near native. If you scrutinize his English you're going to find small mistakes but that's true for most people. Just look at UA-camrs who make videos of themselves speaking freely. Instead of redoing the video when they make a mistake they'll typically just put a subtitle or note or something. If his Japanese were as good as his English I would be super impressed. I'm not able to really judge that though as my Japanese level isn't high enough (I do have N2 so it's not bad either). Listening to his Japanese I thought he sounded really good. If you really wanted to showcase his Japanese you'd have to make the video all in Japanese at least. I got a better feel for his English skills than his Japanese.
This has been an enjoyable watch! I've been in a slump to brush up my japanese for more than a year now. Now that i'm starting school at a japan's vocational school, i'm trying to find some sort of difference of perspectives or some sort to help build the motivation i once had. 🥲 but now i'm just gonna force myself to start and keep trying. Thank you for the podcast!
Raza’s face when he was like “I can recommend you a podcast.”
> I can last like 5 minutes tricking Japanese people
KaiwaCoachingさんのチャンネルにある「快話ラジ」（KaiwaRaji#1）をはじめの５分聞いてみましたが、発音がネイティブっぽくてめちゃくちゃうまいのはみんなすぐに気づくとは思うけど、文法ミス・ピッチがベースからぶれすぎる部分・通常ではない表現（**）が、ゆっくり話しているにも関わらず１分に３個ぐらいあって、それが時間が経つにつれてどんどん積み重なっていくので、５分も経てばネイティブではないとほぼ確信されて、なにか言ってくるという感じではないかと。
（**）ラジオ形式を*お送り致します。「初回配信」「初心者向け」「いらっしゃる」の発音。日本語を上達したい。書きください。パーツ１。etc etc.
ネットに弱いのでそこのページや音声まで辿り着けなかったのですが、ただこの動画の最後の部分のほんの少しの日本語を聞いただけでも｢ああ、、、まあそうだろうな｣と大体頷ける感じですね。
上手いとされる人にもいくつかの類型があると思うのですが、この方は発音にはだいぶ長けてるとは思います。
仮に名付けると発音特化型と言いましょうか。
(まあそれでも注意深く聞くとやはり非ネイティブな音ですが)。
発音がかなり優れているのと、文章自体の抑揚(これはいわゆるピッチアクセントとは別もの)をしっかり捉えていて、ここでとてもネイティブっぽく聞こえるんだと思います。
しかし文法や言葉の使い方で非ネイティブなところが散見されるというタイプです。
念のためですがこれは悪意や中傷ではなく、ネイティブレベルかどうかという問いに対して公平に感想を述べているだけです。
間違いなく上手い部類には入ると思われその長年の努力には頭が下がりますが、逆に言うとよくいる上手いとされるレベルからは脱してないのが容易にわかります。特に日本に住んでる外国人の方だとこのレベルの人はよく見ます。しかしここから一枚二枚突き抜ける人はほとんどいません。
22:45 Great advice!
AND its in Japanese
@@KoreKaraPodcast AND its native level
Time to do some output with a wall I guess
@Eric. Where did you study Japanese? At a Japanese language school ? And for how long?
I studied Japanese by myself for 6 months then I went to a study abroad program in Japan for 6 months. After that I came back and passed the N1 and continued studying for a bit but nowadays I don’t interact as much with the language as I’m not living there and don’t actually need to use it in my daily life
@@KoreKaraPodcast so it took 12 mths for N1?
I laughed at least 3 times during this one. thanks.
We can do better.
@@KoreKaraPodcast they were quality laughs though, not just mere chuckles. when he asked for drama recommendations and raza said idk but I can recommend a podcast... large laugh. worth about 4 chuckles, approximately.
21:59 This throws back some memories. 😩
Dude imagine how long it took to make subs for this... damn
4:46 the struggle is real
You want to know who really reached a native level? It's とある中国人むいむい. Obviously Kaiwa Coaching hasn't met her since he says he hasn't met anyone better than he. むいむい speaks Japanese just like a native speaker of Japanese. She is the best.
This, muimui is unmatched
@@wamu5204 She definitely is. This guy speaks very good Japanese though. It's just that Muimui's Japanese is too great. She speaks even better than some Japanese.
As a native Japanese speaker, I nominate Mui Mui, too. But she looks so Japanese that if you didn't know better, you'd think she's a Japanese who speaks native level Chinese, or vice versa or, you just don't know what she is. lol. But she probably doesn't get considered here because she's not an English speaker. But then you also gotta remember that videos are edited.
I am more than happy if i can reach fluency like his level..
Not the wrong picture of Bartholomew Kuma 😂 (the picture used is of Bartolomeo)
ごめん
As he knows by himself, his skill in grasping how the Japanese language sounds is marvellous. I'd tell that he must be a Japanese if I didn't know he's a non-native Japanese speaker.
Kaiwa maybe fluent in english, but he does have a bit of a noticeable accent.
I'm gonna smash like button from 2 accounts if you bring Mami from バイリンガルニュース (Bilingual News) to the podcast. She was AJATTing in international school long time before ajatt was even created. They had plenty bilingual or close to native level speakers of Japanese and English in their podcast so they can provide a lots of insights about reaching native like level of fluency.
I don't know about his Japanese but his English is damn good. I would totally believe he was American based off of how well he pronounces words and just the flow is right. Literally thought he was until they started talking about Malaysia
?????? Come on.
Opened my mind to fluency vs native. Lots of people are fluent logically and speak fluently. Native is more embedded.
ゆる言語学ラジオ is unbeatable when it comes to jp podcasts imo
8:33 “speaking to a wall” method. I can confirmed this. he’s easily heard from next door mumbling words I don’t understand (we’re siblings ✌🏻😂)
It would be so nice of you if could talk about english ,anyone who reach native ,cuz I heard that no one could reach native level ,is that right
I would say he's not native level in English unless it's in an accent I'm not familiar with, mostly due to skipping words. This doesn't mean much, I'm sure he's fluent enough to say exactly what he wants. This makes native level pretty pointless imo. Why work on this elusive goal when you could become much better than a mean native at the skills you actually need?
i have met so many people who learned english to a native level. it's not impossible at all. i say this as an american-english native.
@@keyworksurfer good to hear that
I personally think anyone who didn't learn a language as a small child isn't native. just by definition they aren't. they can be fluent though. it's nothing wrong with being fluent. Being fluent is a huge achievement and tbh someone fluent can definitely be better at their TL than a native speaker. even native speakers make mistakes and pause to figure out what they want to say. I think it's toxic to get people obsessed with trying to be "native".
i think someone can sound exactly like a native in their second language. After all natives were not born good at their native tongue. Were all born without language and acquired it. It was a foreign language to them when they first began as a toddler. But the issue is in replicating the native experience. Most people have lives and can't devote themselves all day everyday to it forever. It's also harder because you have to overcome your first language it gets in the way.
@larrybardwell8461 yeah I guess my problem is people obsessed with sounding like native speakers & some youtubers who capitalize in their insecurities in not being "as good" (not saying this channel does just in general)
@@CozyAmbience. I hear ya i feel the same way. You mean like using that niche or taking advantage? what ways capitalize?
@@larrybardwell8461 exactly!
does anyone think his ability can be attributed to starting at such a young age, ie in the midst of puberty, and his native language being much closer to Japanese than English?
Dawg, the Malay language is in a completely different language family from Japanese (Austronesian.) It is linguistically completely dissimilar.
英語のリスニングのために利用させてもらっています。
私は英語を学んでいますが、日本語を学んでいる英語ネイティプの方がどうやって日本を習得したかを聞けるのが楽しいです。
これからも、楽しみにしています。
this shocked me.
this shocked me first!
GOOD
Guys, let's be honest...
This guy is fluent in both English and Japanese to say the least, but NOT native level in either of those.
No offense, but I seriously doubt he can trick Japanese people into thinking he's native, even for 1 minute.
He says he's more confident in his English, but literally his every other sentence sounds a bit unnatural.
I'm not hating on the guy - I'm sure he can give good advice on how to get fluent, but in my opinion he is just an average dude who got GOOD at Japanese (and English) - but is he native level? Not even close.
nah hes got a malaysian accent, so it sounds off- personal experience as a malaysian chinese, we can speak 3 languages but are not 'native' in any one of them (chinese- doesnt sound like im from china, english,-doesnt sound like im from UK/US, malay-i dont have the fluent accent for it lololol)
I'm envious of his level of fluency tho
As an american, i disagree with your assessment of his English, its not perfect but near native is definitely an accurate description of his english. His english is gramtically correct, natural, and he speaks pretty fluidly.
@Janelle i do have the passive vocabulary the size of average native speaker.
@Janelle have all native speakers take that exam too?
Congrats Aidil-sensei!!🙌🏻🙌🏻😍🥳
His Japanese is pretty good, but I can tell he is not native. Dogen as well, but Joey sounds actual bilingual native-level speaker.
For him, English is also a second language. It is remarkable. He is like a language god to us Japanese.
He is English native speaker for sure.
Good for him. Most Malaysians hate learning foreign languages even English because of racism and xenophobia.
ichiban Malaysian fluent people i know is Desnha Otoko senpai hehehe
Interestingly, his English is at rather a low level, in terms of word choice, grammar, syntax ......