Pots vs. In-Ground Plants? Pros and Cons - Pepper Geek
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In this video, we're discussing the benefits and drawbacks of growing in containers vs in the ground. Each method has a place for our pepper plants, and we enjoy doing both! However, your situation may differ, so hopefully this helps you decide how you'll grow your future plants!
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:56 Benefits of potted plants
3:25 Drawbacks of potted plants
5:52 Benefits of in-ground plants
7:18 Drawbacks of in-ground plants
9:17 Raised beds
10:38 Patreon member shout outs!
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In April/ May, we get 80 degree days, with 30 degree nights, so yes, I grow in pots. And yes, I drag them outside every day that is warm enough, and bring them back in at night. They don't stay outside until June. It gives me 60 extra growing days every year. I have tried bringing them in at the end of the season as well, but pests have been an issue, so I extend in the spring by growing in pots. I have never had success growing in the ground because our season is so short.
Out of curiosity, what zone are you in/what region? I'm also trying to grow potted peppers over a short season in a cole climate
@@theangrycheeto I am in the inland northwest. Kinda near Spokane.
For as bad as 5 gallon buckets look, they're cheap, easily transportable and soil control is easy.
When living in dry Arizona, I used to put all my potted plants in a baby pool with several inches of water in it. The plants survived my being away for a week.
My first year (2020) I used plastic containers bought at the bulk store. Besides being flimsy and pricey $5.00 CDN each they tended to topple when the pods loaded the plants making it too heavy. Last year I placed a bulk order of 125 x 5 gallon buckets. I drilled 5 x 1/2” holes in the bottom and used them last year. The plants grew great, didn’t topple and they cost less than the more flimsy garden containers.
All the best with your 2022 season and I’ll be starting an instagram account to document the progress. Stay safe.
Growing tomatoes and peppers in the large 4-5 gallon Tidy Cats litter containers. Drilled holes, used a mix of native soil and garden soil from bag. Both are doing great! Saved big on the raised bed craze.
Did you grow these in pots indoors? If so how much sun did they need?
@@spirituallyyoung5295 started the seeds indoors but went outside about a month later.
Great video covering a diverse number of topics. Very well done, thank you.
I do both, and each has it benefits. Using both gives me also a certainty in case one goes better then the other. I have great soil, but it's cold and not a lot of sun hours. So it all depends on the summer. If it is a bad one potted plants do much better, if it is a good one the in ground have always had a great harvest.
For me a drawback of inground peppers is soil temperature. My zone 3 has cool soil for a long time so i get a month early start in large pots.
I've been growing in pots since the middle 1980s. It's never failed me. Also I don't have the sunlight I feel is necessary for groweing peppers if I chose to put them in the soil, so the pots offer the flexibility that your talked about. Thanks for making this online help available. There are other sources out there, but yours is the best. Thanks!
Great quick summary. There are several interrelated issues here, the most fundamental is indoor vs. outdoor. Indoor doesn't work for every plant, but it is potentially accessible for peppers worldwide, year-round, whether you have land to plant in or not. But it has fairly low limits in terms of productivity for the investment and just how far you can scale it up.
Once you are outdoors, climate and terrain matter a lot -- cold vs. hot, sunny vs. shady, dry vs. wet, flat vs. sloped, sandy vs. clay, etc. Peppers are more versatile than most other edible plants but productivity varies with the details Containers and raised beds give you more control around the edges vs. planting in-ground, if your climate or native soil or drainage are a challenge.
In my case I use a mix of containers, both indoors and out, and in-ground planting; and nearly all my real production is in-ground but indoor containers give me a big boost to how soon I can produce -- I'm limited by sun (I'm in a forest) and growing season (I'm in a slightly warmer place than the Pepper Geeks but that is outweighed by the shade). Raised beds to me are a form of landscaping, which I use in one of my gardens that would otherwise have too much drainage due to its slope. I use inexpensive concrete-based "stones" for my landscaping, as they last centuries longer than untreated wood, and are less toxic than pressure-treated wood (which I don't want near my food-producing plants). Metal raised-bed forms are intriguing and presumably fall in between "stone/fake stone" and wood.
I plan on using the 10 gallons grow bags this Spring.
Nice! Should get some biiig plants
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When I began learning about the "living soil" it changed everything about how I grow. Personally I grow in both just because I want to grow so much variety and have limited space in-ground.
I call it Mother Soil
0:42 Wow that is awesome, great job.
Sounds crazy, but I put mine back in the ground every summer and pop them back in containers to bring them back in for the winter.
Not crazy at all, plenty of (pepper) gardeners overwinter their beloved plants like that.
Keep spreading those ideas!
Overwinter. I don't have the space. But I heard if done properly, I saves you money I think 🤔
@@kirkoneill1387 You can get away with an earlier and maybe bigger harvest but considering the effort (pest management, added lighting, space, etc.) I'd say the money saved is miniscule, if any.
Overwintering is something different than just bringing your plants indoor for the winter to grow. Overwintering doesn't use any light, bare minimum watering, and you cut the top 2/3 of your plant off. Usually store it in the garage or basement. Only takes up as much space as the pot itself. Basically your just keeping the root ball alive until conditions outside improve for proper growing conditions.
@@davidlyons256 Overwintering does not work the same in every climate and condition, if you *have* to overwinter them in a warm spot you depend on additional lighting.
Crazy- started my peppers early this year, didn’t think they’d already start flowering- had to pull em off already.
Hello Pepper Geek! Greetings from an avid viewer and fellow grower in the Philippines. Your channel is helpful.
Cheers! Glad you enjoy it :)
I use pots because I have to, but this video was so helpful. Really appreciate all the knowledge you share with us. Thank you!
Happy to be doing what we're doing - thanks for watching!
Love your videos! You helped me plan my reapers a ton, couldnt have done it with out you :)
Appreciate that, glad you’re doing well!
hes a genius thats why
I built my beds out of composite decking. They are still good 11 years later. Just a little bit bowed outwards from the freezing winters.
I would definitely be interested in seeing more indoor hydroponic/aquaponic type videos to explor pepper cultivation. Since your season is fairly short I'd imagine there is a lot of opprotunity to expand your gardening with indoor systems. Just4Growers covered a great deal and IDK if a react video on some of his pepper processes would be an interesting way to cross promote!
Great video guys…
Another Pro of growing in containers, I learned that last season, is disease spreading. I had 8 pots on my deck with jalapeños, bell, banana and poblano peppers. I also had about 10 of the same plants in my yard garden box. One of the plants started getting some curl leaf disease, I couldnt find anything on the internet about how to treat it. The leafs start to curl, get smaller and the plant doesn’t produce any more new leafs, or flowers. I removed that plant and burned it, but after that, it was too late. All the peppers in the raised bed got sick and had to removed and burn. I have no idea how long that disease will stay in that soil, so I can’t plant peppers there for years I assume. One of the plants in a pot was getting the same disease, maybe from pollinators? I removed that one and threw away the soil. All the other plants in the deck survived, I actually have them indoors overwintering because it was easy to clean and re-pot in smaller containers to keep inside until spring. I did have to fertilize often, but it was great for me to be able to move them in those rainy weeks we had last summer-fall in MA. I think at one point it rained for 4 weeks in a row!
ya we are doing all our peppers in pots and we are dealing with the heat, its causing a lot of problems for them so we have to move the plants in side sometimes. the heat has killed about 5 to 8 plants so far, we get about 32 C witch is about 89 F
I like to up-cycle and get 2nd hand materials cheap for things like garden beds. It's a lot cheaper if you have demolition yards around
Been growing peppers for 20 years and found... both work but in our area, ground is superior. Even placing a lining in the pot does not prevent the complete loss of moisture in 95° heat. This is especially true for pots on a mid-air porch (our middle floor deck can support only cactus / cacti (not sure). The ground spreads / dissipates the heat. Saying that, I also use pots (lol) for an early start.
A good tip for the pots tipping over is put a few small rocks at the bottom of your pots it also helps a bit with drainage
Edit: i use old/broken clay pots
Is it possible the plants were in super cold conditions? Even for a day? Sorry to hear that :/
@@PepperGeek I’m just assuming this wasn’t for me lol
I'm still so jealous of that ghost pepper plant you grew in a container. The harvest you had was amazing! Definitely doing a few large containers this year to see if I can grow a mega plant!
Haha, thanks! Heck yeah, do it, can't wait to check back and see it on your channel soon
I use 14” pots for pepper plants (about 7.5 gallons). There are too many trees around my house. With them in pots, I can move them around to get a total of about 7 hours of sunlight per day. I have one 3-year-old orange bell pepper plant in an 18” pot (15 gallons). Too heavy to move around daily lol. Pots are not cheap these days. The 18” pots were bought in 2017, and they were $10 each. But the 14” plastic ones are now $8.99 before tax. It adds up when you need 30 of them lol. On the bright side, I can move them indoors during (Michigan) winter here.
really digging the beard look man !
Thank you!
Starting with my second round of chillies. Got a full size plant last year but it didn't survive. Starting out with some reapers now so will see how it goes this year.
Should have probably started a couple of weeks ago but starting straight outside now as it gets over 25 deg C in the day here now. Will bring them in if it's going below 12 at night.
In containers/pots and under growlights tips:
Don't overdo it on perlite, i've had plants get stunted because there were some chunks of perlite in the way of the main root, there is limited space in small pots.
If the leaves or plants stay small and start flowering early: Try raising the growlights slightly (2-3 inches per 2-3 days untill you see progress), this happens you are delivering the amount of light needed for the plants current photosynthetic dose (photoperiod). Telling this because i dont see many people on youtube telling this in easy language.
Bagged quality slow release fertilizer potting soils are fine for the first about 2 months. I've experimented with feeding and the ones i fed even a little bit of weekly deluted 4-2-2 NPK started to show burns. If repotting once per month in the first stages don't worry about fertilizer because the plant won't run out. Keep the fertilizer for the bigger plant or fruiting.
Great video! And, love the beard 🧔♂️
Thanks for addressing so many comments. I find your responses to others very informative & helpful.
What are your thoughts on the benefits/drawbacks of earth worms in potted plants with putting soil?
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Of course! Love responding to comments here. As for worms in potted plants - I don't think it is worth the effort to add worms to potting mix. They will find their way into raised beds naturally, but potted plants are just too short-term to really rely on the worms. Plus, there isn't much food for the worms in potting mix, unless you are adding food scraps, etc. Stick to all purpose slow release fertilizer!
Great job. I wish I had a green thumb like the guy in this video.
Thank you!!! How much light do I need to give peppers, sage, parsley and flowers when growing in a pot in doors?
i planted 2 jalapeno pepper plants i think it was a 10 gallon grow bag was able to get several jalapenos from it and im still getting some i have a few grow bags in different sizes also
Hello pepper geek! 👋
Hi 👋
You left out a couple of drawbacks of (indoor) container gardening, One, bugs in your house! Maybe you should do a video on pest control? Unless you did already and I just missed it... And two, pollenation. I didn't originally manually pollenate my flowers and much lower yields than I do outside.
Yes pest control indoors is a great topic to cover soon. Plenty of questions about that recently!
get ya self a q-tip and hand pollinate ya flowers or bring in the bees by planting flowers near by
Any idea of what home remedy I can make to wipe out the ants/termites and anything else that eats my potatoes when I grow in the ground? I have around 80 grow pots that I use for all other plants. I am going without any cantaloupe this year because whatever is in the ground eats the potatoes and the cantaloupe roots. I love this channel and with this being my third year gardening I'll be on here quite a lot. Thank you.
Trying to fish peppers off my back deck in my apartment should be interesting 🤔🙂
Hi Pepper Geek, I'm having an issue with one of my reapers, I just pulled off about 20 small flower buds due to the plant not being mature enough, I'm growing in a tent 700mm X 700mm X 1600mm with a 1000w led light (all spider farmer gear) about 600mm away from the top of the plant (mostly at 100 percent) I spray them daily with rain water as I am in Brisbane and we are having flood emergency's so I collected a hell of a lot of rain water but I turn the light down to 40 when they are wet and raise it when they are dry, I keep the soil moist and are growing in 5 gallon grow bags..... After I pulled all the little flower buds off all the leaves and smaller lateral thin branches are drooping, the soil is moist and the temp in the tent is fine, I have a extractor fan sucking stale air out and one also sucking fresh air in duct-ed to get air from outside. I also have a couple of small fans inside the tent to keep the air moving (not directed on the plants).... WTH am I doing wrong? I was good at growing weed years ago but I'm struggling with hot pepper plants.
you need to do a light tapping with a q-tip on the flowers to hand pollinate or plant flowers near by to bring in bees to make pollinating easier to make the peppers form . hope this helps
Hi @Pepper Geek, do you guys happen to know any reputable sources for tien tsin pepper seeds? I'm trying to get them in mid-eastern US and can't find any websites that don't look super sketchy that sell them.
I jus got my new seeds all big hot ones and some Habenero's we can only use containers really, I've watched all your tutorials on getting going and I'm still finding it bewilderingly complicated. :-/ do you have to put the seeds in a large container with the light like you guys do? you seem to have some thick shiny material around the outside, what is that please? I just don't want to plant these seeds and they completely fail. Our appartment is really cold inside. Any advice I'd be very gratefull for!
the most expensive part of growing in-ground is the land you need for it. If you don't factor that in, then yeah its basically free. But that's like saying if you have an electric car and a windmill you can drive for free...
Haha fair enough. We’re grateful to have a small piece of land to use!
Great information thank you will moles, voles, gopher’s, rats eat super hot peppers like ghost peppers 🌶?
They will not eat hot pepper *fruits,* but they will eat the foliage! Especially when the plants are young so be careful during the first few weeks outdoors.
Do you have any recommendations for bulk potting soil in CT? I tried saving and reusing my potting soil last year and the yield as bad compared to previous years so I assumed it was the soil. I’m a little too lazy to mix my own soil and that’s all I’ve seen recommended online.
Someone should really make conical plant pots. Where the base is larger in diameter than the top. That would help with root room and especially stability!!!
Can my pepper leaves droop due to over watering?? I think that I may have accidentally over watered on of my pepper plants
How many plants do you have in your potted peppers please is it just one or a few I am a new plant mom and have some mammoth jalapeños and want to transplant them this weekend thanks in advance 😊
Do you have any advice about collecting seeds for next year ? Thats could be an interesting video to make. The distance between plants to avoid hybridation, choosing the right plant, right pepper, how to store the seed etc etc.
I've done that last year with my Cayenne pepper, half the seeds give nothing, the other half have a half bad plants with strange leaves. Maybe this is because the original seeds come from big supermarket, I don't know.
Supermarket peppers are going to be unpredictable. If the grower used F1 hybrid seeds to grow your Cayennes that would explain your experience. If you got seeds from an open-pollinated or heirloom variety, on the other hand, you'd be much more likely to get consistency.
As peppers are self-fertile over 95% of seeds from a stable variety are true to form, and when there is a cross it is usually with a plant right next to it. I like to put similar peppers together and use tomatoes or other species of peppers as a separator, especially between spicy and mild varieties. I still get occasional hybridization but two of those have turned out to be very nice varieties that I am trying to stabilize.
Hi , wich lamp are you using in the background?
I love your content. I intend this comment to come from a place of positivity. if a grow bag is $45 then a wooden raised bed or even a wooden box that could be moved like a grow bag would be cheaper.
Fair, but they usually come in packs of 10, and there are cheaper options on Amazon. still, raised beds are a great option in many cases if you have the space!
@@PepperGeek I didn’t think about looking cheaper lol my bad.
What is a good deterrent for pepper plants to keep hornworms away
Ha ha. I knew you'd say potted plants topple over. As for raised beds. They work fine for me. A friend and I, are going to build a third. It might be in a shady part. But I'm not sure if it will be a big issue.
Ps don't plant potato's near pepper plants or tomatoes! Potatoes are v prone to diseases that affect the the latter two as well.
Everybody knows pots are better, because you can move your plants around as weather and daylight conditions change... But growing in ground is okay if your too poor to buy pots.
If you dont mind sharing, what state is your garden in? or What zone? Thanks.
I have an infestation of small flies. Yellowish, 1/8 inch. Daytime. What do I use to get rid of these. They appear to be attacking the leaves. Thank you.
As for me...only cucumbers need extra watering during hot days.
We'll have to try out some banana this year. It is an ingredient in one of my personal fave sauces
My Container Peppers were both larger and more productive than my in ground Peppers last year...
Yeah, not surprising
My experience with potted plants is that the soil in the pot gets too hot. This tends to kill the plant as well.
How big is the plant when you move it from the 3.5” pot to its final pot?
Is that light set up for real behind you or made to look good for the video? I've never grown with lights but that looks great. Cheers
It’s real haha, but I take that as a compliment! Fairly simple setup with just a few pepper plants
@@PepperGeek it was meant as a compliment. Most other set ups look industrial or like a lab. That looks like a nice feature, I'm looking in to getting one now 👍
I'm planning on doing some larger variety cayenne peppers this summer. Do those require a larger size pot? I have some 12" fabric pots, but not sure they're enough.
12" pots are a good size for pretty much any variety, so I imagine your cayennes will do just fine!
@@PepperGeek awesome, thank you
I live in middle Tennessee, is it ok to start growing reapers now?
Yes should be a good time
is it possible to plant the chilies in the growbags inside the ground? I don't like the view of the growbags above ground so I want to dig them in. And when the rainseason starts I would like to move them inside for a couple months.. what are your thoughts>?
If you don’t mind digging holes that would work..however the roots would likely grow through the grow bags into the surrounding soil. We had one of our plants grow the roots down through our fabric pots into the ground it was set on top of.
@@PepperGeek I don't mind digging once a year. I love to have them in the garden planted but the rainseason makes the chilies fall off when they aren't ripe yet. Or maybe there is another reason... But I think it's the rain..
What is the benefit of using organic fertilizer. The Synthetic fertilizer almost always uses less fossil fuel to transport because its increased density. Local plant materials can add the needed 4% Soil organic matter to soil.
Did you overwinter that ghost pepper in a pot @ 0:42?
can you keep them in 5 gal buckets permanently year after year?
Yes they can last many years if properly maintained and fed, pruned, etc.
Did you did you grow scotch bonnet peppers?
Yes we had a plant last year - it is also overwintering (MOA scotch bonnet)
Grow bags are better for aeration and drainage aye?
Yes, they drain very well, but almost too well. They seemed to dry out a bit more quickly than plastic pots, though we didn't really do a proper comparison. Either way, great overall results!
i always use dirts from my yard. if grass grows plant will grow.
1:54 is that a Buena Mulata pepper?
Yes indeed
Is that a 1000w Spider Farmer in the background Bro?
Yessir
I would think that planting in the ground, the plant can get as big as it possibly wants, because the roots have all the space they want, is this true?
It depends on your soil. Potting soil is nice and fluffy right down to the bottom, where ground soil varies by location
Hi
Would a raised bed give you the best of both worlds? Expensive is the drawback.
EDIT: Ha. I jumped the gun.. I hit enter and you started talking about them
I love a good raised bed! Costly but worth it to have some nice aesthetics and easy access
Are you sambucha’s close relative
I do both, my inground have grown and produced better
Deep-waterculture, the best for inside.
As far as growing in the ground being cheaper there's one crucial thing you're forgetting. You must first buy the land. I wouldn't consider that to be cheaper.
I received the notification that I was picked for pepper seeds but I am not a patron . I think it was a hack
Lucky you!!!!
Unfortunately this was a scam from someone pretending to be us :( We're trying to take care of it. So sorry!
@@PepperGeek That's unfortunate have you got it sorted?
You missed a couple of my most favorite things about growing in containers!..
1 - You can put your container in a 5 gallon bucket so when it rains you can catch all the nutrition, microbiology and chemistry that would otherwise flush right out and then pore that back in to the top, so it loses ZERO of its ecological, microbiological or chemical balance in the plant/soil and saves money and time having to keep adding fertilizers which can throw off the entire balance.
2 - My absolute favorite reason of all for growing in containers and also the ☝️ EVERYONE so conveniently overlooks, which is a clear indication of how selfish, disrespectful, ungrateful, insensitive and spiritually broken or disconnected people are! ...is that if you grow in containers you have the privilege of showing the living thing you have created your gratitude and respect for that which it has done for you, in providing and creating a healthy delicious and bountiful nutritional, chemical and microbiologically rich source of life giving and preserving sustenance, being able to bring your plant in for the winter because we have taken it out of it’s natural environment to use its ability for our own selfish needs or desires, so it can live and produce the following year as nature had intended, which in return, it, being respectful and grateful will kindly return the kindness and love by producing more and better fruits each year around from what it has learned and adapted to each season, giving it the ability to pass this knowledge down through its DNA in the form of the seeds which it produces, giving to us once again, in the form of a stronger more virulent strain of genetics!
Your pepper plants are living entities with a full complement of neurological abilities... yes! ...that’s right! ...they have neuron clusters ...in simple english “they have brains just like us” ...this means that not only are they aware of your existence, they are also aware of their own existence and it doesn’t stop there ...they have the ability to communicate more information faster and further than any human, all naturally! ...they have far surpassed humans in their ability to coexist with other natural living entities and their surrounding environment and extended environment ...in short, plain and simple english! ...wether ones ego cares to agree or accept it or not! ...they are vastly superior than humans on every level! ...in fact humans are so vastly inferior to them, it is an abomination that humans were even ever placed as stewards over them! ...so the next time you think to yourself or say to others “I love my plants” ...I would suggest you are only fooling yourself and them! ...you have a long way to go before that is ever real to anyone other than yourself!
Killing your perennials because they have served “your” purpose couldn’t possibly be more emotionally and spiritually disconnected or selfish! ... perennials are perennials for a reason! ...that reason is not just so they can keep giving us what we need from them! ...the reason is far more important than that! ...the reason is to acquire or accumulate and pass on acquired knowledge of their natural environment and conditions genetically through the DNA of their seeds so they can evolve as a species, prematurely ending their existence after their first year which is mostly spent maturing does not allow them time to then acquire adequate knowledge of their environment and natural conditions ...which ultimately ends up in limiting their ability to provide “you” the one that supposedly loves them so much! ...with the improved genetics needed for a stronger more virulent strain during your next seeding!
We as humans have a long way to go to ever truly be worthy of the title of stewards! ...so please everyone! ...significantly step up your game! ...let’s not be neanderthals!
We should all ask ourselves ...would we kill our puppy, kitten or other pet just because it’s no longer a puppy or kitten or because it’s easier, no longer serves a purpose for us or to just get a new one each year! ...if the answer is yes ...yeah, well then you should probably not be allowed to have a kitten or puppy and just as so not a perennial plant of any kind either! ...I am not abrasive! ...looking at who, what and how you are is just not comfortable for you! ...good day!
P.S. The ancient Egyptians knew and understood everything I have mentioned here! ...so an important question to ask oneself is what happened that changed that! ...l can tell you this ...the answer is not a good one ...you should step up your game and figure it out! ...you’ll be better off for it!
Love your channel! ...never end this journey you are on! ...it goes places you would never have dreamed of!
I’m doing a raised bed and pots. The ones banana peppers in the raised bed shot up fast.