My cousin came out when he became ill. He was so scared my aunt said that does'nt make you any less my child and I will always love you. She was with him at the end.
That Valerie/Jill scene where Richie's loss is revealed is such a bunch in the gut! Gosh, we really need more Jills in the world. I can't believe this is the final After Hours!!! Thank you for having this. LA!
Cried from start to finish😭😭 Brought bitter sweet memories of Kevin😍 a beautiful boy that was taken during those times. Just couldn't understand how some "so called friends" rejected him. I haven't cried like I did the day he died, I got there too late to say goodbye😢😢 Gone but not forgotten. Fantastic series, with fantastic actors😍
Crying throughout and remembering my dear, brilliantly funny, camp-as-a-scout's-jamboree family friend Len. Gone for nearly 30 years but not forgotten. Huge props to the writers, producers, and actors on this AMAZING series. I want to watch it all again immediately, but need to give my sinuses a break.
@David Dorricott I think we had completely different experiences since I´ve watched it one episode each week. But for me it is impossible not to cry when she tells Jill. I was still expecting it would be okay, don´t know how
Ritchie's mother, Valerie was such a complex poignant character. Telling Jill Ritchie had died was so cruel, yet understandable. To discover your prized boy has AIDs in an AIDs ward as he's fighting cancer is unimaginable. To see her need to regain control as her world became irreparably fractured is not a justification for her actions but it is a harrowing explanation.
Best thing Diana Spencer did was to shake the hand of a person with HIV at the time? London Lighthouse I think? AND the girl in this drama is the real heroine ? (Two unrelated thoughts)
@@bunderify I think it was both. Understandable and also reprehensibly cruel and disgusting. Grief does this sort of thing to some people in some circumstances.
Remember that part of her regaining control involved preventing her son from seeing the people he loved and had built his life with on his death bed, causing him to die alone. -- all because she was jealous of them.
@@DavidHHH99 exactly! Valerie was clearly jealous over Jill and Ritchie's friendship. You could see her disapproval when he took Jill home to meet his parents and they thought Jill was his girlfriend. Valerie really didn't like Jill from day one she probably blamed Jill and the others for Ritchie being gay and getting AIDS almost like they influenced him. What she did in keeping his friends away before he died and the way she told Jill was cruel and I lost all sympathy for Valerie when she said to Jill "and now he's (Ritchie) got a gay disease" Valerie derserved every word Jill said to her
My dad passed away on the 8th, so we didn't watch it's a sin for a couple of weeks.( Really glad we didn't, too close to home) but did 3 episodes back to back last night. In bits by the end. An important work, I'm glad it's been a hit. As many people as possible need to see it.
There’s something even sadder about a series that won’t have a another season or anything to follow up. As Davies said it would get silly and it would be missing to many great characters :(
Olly is so talented, both as a singer and actor in "It's a sin". The series is unbelievably grim, and it may have been so in the early days of the AIDS epidemic, but I don't recollect this. I lost so many good friends at this time, but from memory, they were only ever treated with kindness and respect. RIP all my friends who succumbed to this dreadful virus.
It's good that your friends were treated with kindness and respect by the people they knew, but this series looked at the attitudes of society at large. AIDS victims were social pariahs through the 80s. Notice this series ended in 1988. It did become better later, yes.
@@AbcDef-ww2gy Re the attitudes of society, what you say is certainly true, I myself felt the impact of this when gay men were horrendously vilified by the "usual suspects" who sadly persist to this day.
Keeleys character was the same of what mammas of that time were like bar a few, i was so gald Gill got her piece in at the end , poor girl got all the shite from all angles
I am Heterosexual 100% , but,i allso am not homofobic,mutch more,I volunteered at a university hospital, in the part of the hospital that is for infectious diseases, in the part where there are only people suffering from AIDS. I was neither afraid nor repulsed, but I asked to work there and help those wonderful people whose kindness I will never forget. Each of us can contribute to make the world a little better place for humanity
I lived through that time too John,found the whole series very close to the bone. How has it been for you watching the series knowing you were there in those times?
@@Vanitasmortedigital Well, I was a wee bit older then than were the characters in the series and I wasn't quite as wild as I had been. I do remember friends dying, in the case of one dear friend not knowing until years after he had died. Like characters in the film he took himself home (He lived in Germany), was looked after by his mother, in the final weeks in a hospital and was too ashamed to tell us. Such a wonderful, witty, intelligent and loving man. I'm sad thinking about it. So many gay man were driven to this kind of behaviour by the rampant homophobia and sheer hatred we experienced. Politicians of the time made merry with this crisis for gay people. One Xmas a friend gave me a rubber brick so that I wouldn't throw a real brick at my TV set when Margaret Thatcher came on! I still have it somewhere. I probably need it again now whenever I see that bumptious, lazy blond Borisconi. I always found my anger useful (so rarely feel depressed) because it made/makes me act.
@@johnhammond5022 I can relate to the brick throwing totally,sorry to hear about your friend in Germany.I think my anger made me take action at that time too,and it does at times now too.I think at the time I really saw how bad and damaging homophobia,it took a very dark turn for sure in its effects.Being a "buddy" as we were called at the time really felt like being on the front line a times.Which episode struck a chord with you the most, for me it was episode 4.But each episode resonated with me in some way.I don't have any regrets about being part of that time and all the things I did,but I still miss all the people Aids took out of my life even now.
Have to say, while I fully commend keeley and the rest of the cast and crew for some really phenomenal work (not to mention a real mountain of talent), I'm confused as to how there can be any sympathy whatsoever for Valerie... Any sympathy I had for her started to fall away when she discovered ritchie's diagnosis, and anything that was left by the time she and Jill spoke totally evaporated at that point... She was just cruel, and hateful, and despite Keeley's terrific and nuanced performance and RTD's exquisite writing, there's really very little else to say about Valerie... In my view, a person who behaves the way she did essentially erases the rest of their personality - they are nothing more than their hateful acts and attitudes
@@BNconductor I agree with you that people are flawed, however I think we all have a responsibility to deal with our own flaws, and there are some things which cannot be excused by this... If a character were a rapist, for instance, people wouldn't try and feel sympathy for them the way they seem to have for Valerie... I feel like that's a dangerous thing to do, although I understand that no one involved in the show is responsible for this, for many viewers to find sympathy with Valerie... It risks enabling the many real-life Valeries who still exist today, as it underestimates the extent of their depravity and risks discouraging people from regarding them with the revulsion and disgust they deserve. Essentially, "flawed" covers Valerie's poor reaction at the hospital. Everything else - the emotional abuse of Ritchie and his friends, the isolation of Ritchie and ultimately, Valerie condemning Ritchie to die alone... Those were hateful acts, not the result of normal human flaws. I'm sorry if this comes across as ranty, and I absolutely don't mean to direct any of that at you, not at all, and I'm very sorry if it reads that way... I'm just trying to get across the reasons why I think it's a mistake to try and humanise characters like Valerie
@@christopherharris8317 I think it's a mistake to dehumanise anyone at all. No exceptions. If we want to change the way people behave, we have to start by understanding why they behave as they do. The alternative is like screaming at a brick wall. You don't change someone's behaviour by condemning them. At the moment most people don't see that, and it's one of the main reasons why there's so much anger, conflict and pain in the world. Have a look at the Norweigan justice system for a great example of how refusing to dehumanise people can turn their lives around.
@@BNconductor I think that it's a mistake to dehumanise a person from birth, as this can oversimplify and understate just how depraved some people can be - we must bear in mind that these were people once, but that they wilfully threw away their humanity. Otherwise, we afford the same protections to the most sadistic and cruel people in our society as we do to the kindest and most selfless... Society has to embrace the idea that, while we are all born human, there are some who by their actions deny their humanity... And the consequences of that should cease to be purely theoretical, otherwise you risk letting the Valeries of the world get off scot-free with their actions... I mean, how does one measure a jail sentence against a murder, or against a campaign of abuse?
My link keeps getting took down by UA-cam. Go to my channel and watch a guy who’s talking about having full blown A.I.D.S My channel is Radical Rainbow
I thought this was lovely to watch afterwards, giving us a small insight into the actors and writer themselves and I love the cup game they do every episode
My cousin came out when he became ill. He was so scared my aunt said that does'nt make you any less my child and I will always love you. She was with him at the end.
Sadly not all parents are as loving as your aunt clearly was
That Valerie/Jill scene where Richie's loss is revealed is such a bunch in the gut! Gosh, we really need more Jills in the world. I can't believe this is the final After Hours!!! Thank you for having this. LA!
Cried from start to finish😭😭 Brought bitter sweet memories of Kevin😍 a beautiful boy that was taken during those times. Just couldn't understand how some "so called friends" rejected him. I haven't cried like I did the day he died, I got there too late to say goodbye😢😢 Gone but not forgotten. Fantastic series, with fantastic actors😍
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Crying throughout and remembering my dear, brilliantly funny, camp-as-a-scout's-jamboree family friend Len. Gone for nearly 30 years but not forgotten.
Huge props to the writers, producers, and actors on this AMAZING series. I want to watch it all again immediately, but need to give my sinuses a break.
Episode 5 made me cry so much my face genuinely hurt. Really powerful writing, acting and directing! A Masterpiece of a show!
I’m in tears 😭 That last episode was devastating
Honestly it was the episode I cried the least in, I think I was numb because I watched all of it in one night.
I will need counselling ☹
@David Dorricott I think we had completely different experiences since I´ve watched it one episode each week. But for me it is impossible not to cry when she tells Jill. I was still expecting it would be okay, don´t know how
It is that level of emotional rollercoaster, indeed.
Ritchie's mother, Valerie was such a complex poignant character. Telling Jill Ritchie had died was so cruel, yet understandable. To discover your prized boy has AIDs in an AIDs ward as he's fighting cancer is unimaginable. To see her need to regain control as her world became irreparably fractured is not a justification for her actions but it is a harrowing explanation.
How on earth was it understandable??? It was reprehensibly cruel and disgusting!
Best thing Diana Spencer did was to shake the hand of a person with HIV at the time? London Lighthouse I think? AND the girl in this drama is the real heroine ? (Two unrelated thoughts)
@@bunderify I think it was both. Understandable and also reprehensibly cruel and disgusting. Grief does this sort of thing to some people in some circumstances.
Remember that part of her regaining control involved preventing her son from seeing the people he loved and had built his life with on his death bed, causing him to die alone. -- all because she was jealous of them.
@@DavidHHH99 exactly! Valerie was clearly jealous over Jill and Ritchie's friendship. You could see her disapproval when he took Jill home to meet his parents and they thought Jill was his girlfriend. Valerie really didn't like Jill from day one she probably blamed Jill and the others for Ritchie being gay and getting AIDS almost like they influenced him. What she did in keeping his friends away before he died and the way she told Jill was cruel and I lost all sympathy for Valerie when she said to Jill "and now he's (Ritchie) got a gay disease" Valerie derserved every word Jill said to her
My dad passed away on the 8th, so we didn't watch it's a sin for a couple of weeks.( Really glad we didn't, too close to home) but did 3 episodes back to back last night. In bits by the end. An important work, I'm glad it's been a hit. As many people as possible need to see it.
Im sorry for your loss
So sad it’s ended! Thanks to everyone involved for bringing us a great series
When Valerie said he died I just gasped and went "No!" Then when the mom asked for stories, I yelled at the screen "they don't owe you f**k all!" Lol
There’s something even sadder about a series that won’t have a another season or anything to follow up. As Davies said it would get silly and it would be missing to many great characters :(
So sad that there are no more new episodes 😢 I loved every moment of this series! ❤️
Olly seems so down to earth I’d just love to have a drink with him & ask him questions n sing all night 💖
awww what a sweet interview💕 la!
I knew the series was going to be good, it hurt my heart so much!
This is on a par with Cathy Come Home and Abigail s Party, really Good T V and excellent acting cast!!!👍
Olly is so talented, both as a singer and actor in "It's a sin". The series is unbelievably grim, and it may have been so in the early days of the AIDS epidemic, but I don't recollect this. I lost so many good friends at this time, but from memory, they were only ever treated with kindness and respect. RIP all my friends who succumbed to this dreadful virus.
It's good that your friends were treated with kindness and respect by the people they knew, but this series looked at the attitudes of society at large. AIDS victims were social pariahs through the 80s. Notice this series ended in 1988. It did become better later, yes.
@@AbcDef-ww2gy Re the attitudes of society, what you say is certainly true, I myself felt the impact of this when gay men were horrendously vilified by the "usual suspects" who sadly persist to this day.
As much as I love Olly here in this role, he will always be Jakob from Skins to me ❤️❤️
omfg i didn’t realize that was him in skins 💀💀💀
Amazing show emotional, amazing, funny ,stunning thank you xx
Kemah was brilliant! what a lovely host♥
Keeleys character was the same of what mammas of that time were like bar a few, i was so gald Gill got her piece in at the end , poor girl got all the shite from all angles
Thank you 🙏
I am Heterosexual 100% , but,i allso am not homofobic,mutch more,I volunteered at a university hospital, in the part of the hospital that is for infectious diseases, in the part where there are only people suffering from AIDS. I was neither afraid nor repulsed, but I asked to work there and help those wonderful people whose kindness I will never forget. Each of us can contribute to make the world a little better place for humanity
Gutes Gespräch 👍💯
Oh God this woman's voice WHY there must be hundreds of decent presenters out there I really cant watch this
Wow! What a show. So sad ... I lived through all that period.
I lived through that time too John,found the whole series very close to the bone. How has it been for you watching the series knowing you were there in those times?
@@Vanitasmortedigital Well, I was a wee bit older then than were the characters in the series and I wasn't quite as wild as I had been. I do remember friends dying, in the case of one dear friend not knowing until years after he had died. Like characters in the film he took himself home (He lived in Germany), was looked after by his mother, in the final weeks in a hospital and was too ashamed to tell us. Such a wonderful, witty, intelligent and loving man. I'm sad thinking about it. So many gay man were driven to this kind of behaviour by the rampant homophobia and sheer hatred we experienced. Politicians of the time made merry with this crisis for gay people. One Xmas a friend gave me a rubber brick so that I wouldn't throw a real brick at my TV set when Margaret Thatcher came on! I still have it somewhere. I probably need it again now whenever I see that bumptious, lazy blond Borisconi. I always found my anger useful (so rarely feel depressed) because it made/makes me act.
@@johnhammond5022 I can relate to the brick throwing totally,sorry to hear about your friend in Germany.I think my anger made me take action at that time too,and it does at times now too.I think at the time I really saw how bad and damaging homophobia,it took a very dark turn for sure in its effects.Being a "buddy" as we were called at the time really felt like being on the front line a times.Which episode struck a chord with you the most, for me it was episode 4.But each episode resonated with me in some way.I don't have any regrets about being part of that time and all the things I did,but I still miss all the people Aids took out of my life even now.
Have to say, while I fully commend keeley and the rest of the cast and crew for some really phenomenal work (not to mention a real mountain of talent), I'm confused as to how there can be any sympathy whatsoever for Valerie... Any sympathy I had for her started to fall away when she discovered ritchie's diagnosis, and anything that was left by the time she and Jill spoke totally evaporated at that point... She was just cruel, and hateful, and despite Keeley's terrific and nuanced performance and RTD's exquisite writing, there's really very little else to say about Valerie... In my view, a person who behaves the way she did essentially erases the rest of their personality - they are nothing more than their hateful acts and attitudes
People are flawed. I think it's a mistake to think of those flaws as completely overwriting the rest of someone's character.
@@BNconductor I agree with you that people are flawed, however I think we all have a responsibility to deal with our own flaws, and there are some things which cannot be excused by this... If a character were a rapist, for instance, people wouldn't try and feel sympathy for them the way they seem to have for Valerie... I feel like that's a dangerous thing to do, although I understand that no one involved in the show is responsible for this, for many viewers to find sympathy with Valerie... It risks enabling the many real-life Valeries who still exist today, as it underestimates the extent of their depravity and risks discouraging people from regarding them with the revulsion and disgust they deserve.
Essentially, "flawed" covers Valerie's poor reaction at the hospital. Everything else - the emotional abuse of Ritchie and his friends, the isolation of Ritchie and ultimately, Valerie condemning Ritchie to die alone... Those were hateful acts, not the result of normal human flaws.
I'm sorry if this comes across as ranty, and I absolutely don't mean to direct any of that at you, not at all, and I'm very sorry if it reads that way... I'm just trying to get across the reasons why I think it's a mistake to try and humanise characters like Valerie
@@christopherharris8317 I think it's a mistake to dehumanise anyone at all. No exceptions. If we want to change the way people behave, we have to start by understanding why they behave as they do. The alternative is like screaming at a brick wall. You don't change someone's behaviour by condemning them. At the moment most people don't see that, and it's one of the main reasons why there's so much anger, conflict and pain in the world. Have a look at the Norweigan justice system for a great example of how refusing to dehumanise people can turn their lives around.
@@BNconductor I think that it's a mistake to dehumanise a person from birth, as this can oversimplify and understate just how depraved some people can be - we must bear in mind that these were people once, but that they wilfully threw away their humanity. Otherwise, we afford the same protections to the most sadistic and cruel people in our society as we do to the kindest and most selfless... Society has to embrace the idea that, while we are all born human, there are some who by their actions deny their humanity... And the consequences of that should cease to be purely theoretical, otherwise you risk letting the Valeries of the world get off scot-free with their actions... I mean, how does one measure a jail sentence against a murder, or against a campaign of abuse?
I wouldnt want my son to tell me he's gay id probably already know anyway, all that anxiety? Just bring ur boyfriend home son 🙂
Best TV Series
How could the host not know the name of the show was a song by Pet Shop Boys....Jesus
Kids today, bro 🙄
Because the song is almost half a century old.
@@somerandomguy2073 Still she was the host and should have done her research
Love that Olly is bringing the hanky code to the millennial generation
This host was great!
Olly is fit xxx
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God so sorry but the presenters voice is so annoying
Is she drunk!
Definitely agree with you on that one, sounds almost put on?🤔 I would be embarrassed to have a voice like that.
Glad i'm not the only one who thinks that. She's basically unlistenable
It’s a speech impediment, people. Don’t be dicks, yeah?
@Cannibal Teddy Beethoven was deaf. Maybe his job should have gone to Joe Ableist instead.
My link keeps getting took down by UA-cam. Go to my channel and watch a guy who’s talking about having full blown A.I.D.S
My channel is Radical Rainbow
Sea the gull, sea the gull!!
I want to know how that was done!. I rescue gulls so love them :)
@@Sussex_gull_volunteer_network I bet that gull didn't need any persuasion!
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I wish I hadn't watched this. The final episode was so moving and profound, then this 'after hours' thing was so trite. Ruined it.
I thought this was lovely to watch afterwards, giving us a small insight into the actors and writer themselves and I love the cup game they do every episode
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