What is the best g17 procs joe? Im a wizzy. I was choosing between Zerk+Purify Spell & Zerk+Untarget ? What would you choose?great fight as always btw love yours and ruby's videos ❤
Stick with purify, untarget can be nice and might be useful if you have it on another weapon to switch to but just untarget is too dangerous. G17 purify is not as good as r9.3s..but it still has a chance to always proc. All other procs have an internal CD.
Unfortunately not. Some classes have skills that are so fast that they are counted as one. Archer can do that usually cause of instant-cast skills, some caster can do it too, if they have fast enough channeling..nearly every class can but for some its more obvious. Condensed Thorn and Spell cutter are so fast that both those hits were counted as one and the combined damage was enough to reduce his HP to 0 so charm wasnt even triggered. Toxic Torrent can do the same if combined with those skills, Elimination and Cursed Jail, both multihit skills always combine some attackes. For Elimination its the first 3 and for Cursed Jail its the first 2 and the last 2.
Hmm... thats the first thing I thought too but on closer inspection I think he was just a couple seconds away from his next charm tick. Count the time carefully from when his zerk ticked his own charm. Under 15s I think, though I'm not sure exactly how much you sped up video. Also this seeker doesn't seem as tanky as the seekers I am used to facing by half, is he considered tanky on your server? I can't recall the last time I saw Darcy take noticeable dmg from a sin, other than the 5aps sin+db duo, or the g17r5 NP dude.. Most sins would probably have to work hard to kill darcy even when he is afk, and when he's fighting back their chances of success are very poor. That being said, I think in arena it is worse for sins though, because as I can see in your own video (and I use this playstyle myself on sin), when a sin needs to retreat, they retreat as long as needed to get critical cds back, which often means running backwards in a straight line for upwards of 12s if needed. However most arena maps aren't big enough to buy a sin this much time to retreat. There are also no mobs to port to or get bp heals from in 3v3 either. I would suggest to seeker that if he wants to fight a sin, do it in a more constricted space with no mobs.
What you're describing is a heirobug. CT and SC would only have potential to heirobug if they were Elysian skills and you had sub 50-30 ping at least. That's why I got surprised. It had to be the charm not working/not fully ready yet. CJ hitting a heiro requires 50 ping to heiro, tho is inconsistent, same Elimination. Both of those are luck based and trash. Toxic Torrent (only consistent and skillbased heirobug) combined with CT/SC/Rising/etc better not be removed in the next patches because that's the most satisfying way to kill someone bar a Headhunt end hit.
I usually have a ping of 80 on my Server and I can tell you, all the skills I listed work 99% of the time in combination to get combined in order to bypass a charm. Only when the server acts odd it sometimes doesn't work. No matter the ping however, classes like Archer can always do this with Quickshot + Take Aim, TA + Knockback (Argent Glyph) and Quickshot and Knockback. This works 100% of the time which is the reason why especially zerk archer are insanely powerful in a 1v1. @Aeliah: Yes, that seeker is insanely tanky. However, which might make the biggest difference, he is "just" 2nd rb EU set, fully jaded, no pdef stat on chart, and only mdef ornaments with the exception of the 2nd stage Arigora Ring (Wither). If he would use a chart with double pdef on fates then I would have 0 chance of killing him, especially when he is using a magic built genie to spam expel all day or rather I do have a chance but that would require Occult Ice to work perfectly, several times in a row...so pure RNG basically which is meh. Seeker is one of the strongest classes in the game now, so many skills to avoid stuff, tanky as all hell and if they just use SS on themselves they can dish out insane damage that even dwarfes a sin aka they are superior in every regard except for the speed and even that is arguable if you look at edged blur. The only way to beat a Seeker with too much def level and base defense is if a sin sports full devil and 2xpattack and 2xppen on fates and the seeker should be killable unless ofc if the seeker also has a g17.5 80 def weap. But such people in general shouldn't be able to die from a single person anymore..which is exactly why I hate those items. If you have a dude that can kill nearly anything alone but cant be killed unless being focused by 2-3 people at the same time..boy :(
That is true but not only for def sharded sins. I am full deity now and the seeker here doesn't even have any additional Pdef Stats and is still that tanky xD Some seeker are serenity with nearly cap def selfbuffed..that is just crazy. If such seeker use Expel efficiently..absolutely no way to kill them (unless you got perfect RNG and resort to purging the def lvl buff).
Seekers OP vs SIN on same gear i dont think so.. All it seem a sin has to do is just play the kitting game which i cant blame them.. and that seekers doesnt look that tanky maybe its because is a sin..
Well, even in when he wasn't using r9 weap I could only hit him for 10k zc max and that with just 50k pdef...that is no damage at all. When he trip sparked with SS on, without even debuffing me at all, he hit me for 9k zc twice in a row..on 66% damage reduction charms xDD just like that. Insanity xD Seeker vs sin (at least when the seeker uses a max def genie like Evenis did) it's massively in the favor for the seeker. If he hits some decent hits on me, even with tidal on, I am dead xD On the other hand, when he just camps def weap and spams expel in time, there is nearly no way for me to kill him at all.
Keyword you said there IF.. an yea i see that an if he camp def weap he cant kill you either. and from the vid all you had to do was what you was doing kiting off for cds( no hate against it)..
Well, if he uses his defenses perfectly he can instantly force my genie by just using SS + Trip spark and spam skills with Blade Affinity on. 80% chance to evade all of my CC will make it nearly impossible for me to Counter-CC and I am literally forced to either take massive damage or run away. Since seeker have their own de-stealth skill I cannot even just stealth and wait it out. So at the very least I am forced to use something in order to survive..if I run away, the seeker just switches back to def weap and tries again next time. He can literally hit me for nearly 30k zc off def charm with that..without even having a debuff on me xDDD My max damage on him is 10k...with extreme poison xD So yeah, I am forced to kite, engaging a seeker without my genie being ready is borderline insane cause then I most likely get killed.
Not in this state of the game. Any decent seeker with a full Magic Expel genie that you cannot hit for at least 30k ZC with Toxic should win 9 out of 10 fights vs equally geared sins, if not all 10. Seeker is easy if the player is easy. The class itself is pretty insanely strong atm in PWI.
Joe PWI seeker USED to be half a problem,now with blure...60% atk/def ss........and with adding +2 shards on neck/belt its just bs now xD Even my TT70 LVL 100 Ra0 seeker(no passive,no cards,NOTHING) is killing G16 Ra2 ppl thats just sad xD
You are funny, seems like you are living in a dream world and/or mainly playing private server. I could bet 1k $ right now that you woul dnot EVER beat me on seeker in a 1v1 when you play sin in PWI on equal gears. Before you QQ educate yourself about the mechanics of the PWI Version displayed, this is not a fucking private server.
When did "kiting" go from "dancing at the edge of opponent's attack range" to "fucking off to the north pole" ...
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What is the best g17 procs joe? Im a wizzy. I was choosing between Zerk+Purify Spell & Zerk+Untarget ? What would you choose?great fight as always btw love yours and ruby's videos ❤
Stick with purify, untarget can be nice and might be useful if you have it on another weapon to switch to but just untarget is too dangerous. G17 purify is not as good as r9.3s..but it still has a chance to always proc. All other procs have an internal CD.
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2:18 heirobug or what?
Unfortunately not. Some classes have skills that are so fast that they are counted as one. Archer can do that usually cause of instant-cast skills, some caster can do it too, if they have fast enough channeling..nearly every class can but for some its more obvious. Condensed Thorn and Spell cutter are so fast that both those hits were counted as one and the combined damage was enough to reduce his HP to 0 so charm wasnt even triggered. Toxic Torrent can do the same if combined with those skills, Elimination and Cursed Jail, both multihit skills always combine some attackes. For Elimination its the first 3 and for Cursed Jail its the first 2 and the last 2.
Hmm... thats the first thing I thought too but on closer inspection I think he was just a couple seconds away from his next charm tick. Count the time carefully from when his zerk ticked his own charm. Under 15s I think, though I'm not sure exactly how much you sped up video. Also this seeker doesn't seem as tanky as the seekers I am used to facing by half, is he considered tanky on your server? I can't recall the last time I saw Darcy take noticeable dmg from a sin, other than the 5aps sin+db duo, or the g17r5 NP dude.. Most sins would probably have to work hard to kill darcy even when he is afk, and when he's fighting back their chances of success are very poor. That being said, I think in arena it is worse for sins though, because as I can see in your own video (and I use this playstyle myself on sin), when a sin needs to retreat, they retreat as long as needed to get critical cds back, which often means running backwards in a straight line for upwards of 12s if needed. However most arena maps aren't big enough to buy a sin this much time to retreat. There are also no mobs to port to or get bp heals from in 3v3 either. I would suggest to seeker that if he wants to fight a sin, do it in a more constricted space with no mobs.
What you're describing is a heirobug. CT and SC would only have potential to heirobug if they were Elysian skills and you had sub 50-30 ping at least. That's why I got surprised. It had to be the charm not working/not fully ready yet. CJ hitting a heiro requires 50 ping to heiro, tho is inconsistent, same Elimination. Both of those are luck based and trash. Toxic Torrent (only consistent and skillbased heirobug) combined with CT/SC/Rising/etc better not be removed in the next patches because that's the most satisfying way to kill someone bar a Headhunt end hit.
Yes, I agree it looks like the charm not being ready yet.
I usually have a ping of 80 on my Server and I can tell you, all the skills I listed work 99% of the time in combination to get combined in order to bypass a charm. Only when the server acts odd it sometimes doesn't work. No matter the ping however, classes like Archer can always do this with Quickshot + Take Aim, TA + Knockback (Argent Glyph) and Quickshot and Knockback. This works 100% of the time which is the reason why especially zerk archer are insanely powerful in a 1v1.
@Aeliah: Yes, that seeker is insanely tanky. However, which might make the biggest difference, he is "just" 2nd rb EU set, fully jaded, no pdef stat on chart, and only mdef ornaments with the exception of the 2nd stage Arigora Ring (Wither). If he would use a chart with double pdef on fates then I would have 0 chance of killing him, especially when he is using a magic built genie to spam expel all day or rather I do have a chance but that would require Occult Ice to work perfectly, several times in a row...so pure RNG basically which is meh. Seeker is one of the strongest classes in the game now, so many skills to avoid stuff, tanky as all hell and if they just use SS on themselves they can dish out insane damage that even dwarfes a sin aka they are superior in every regard except for the speed and even that is arguable if you look at edged blur. The only way to beat a Seeker with too much def level and base defense is if a sin sports full devil and 2xpattack and 2xppen on fates and the seeker should be killable unless ofc if the seeker also has a g17.5 80 def weap. But such people in general shouldn't be able to die from a single person anymore..which is exactly why I hate those items. If you have a dude that can kill nearly anything alone but cant be killed unless being focused by 2-3 people at the same time..boy :(
Seeker with expel is pretty annoying for def shard sin
That is true but not only for def sharded sins. I am full deity now and the seeker here doesn't even have any additional Pdef Stats and is still that tanky xD Some seeker are serenity with nearly cap def selfbuffed..that is just crazy. If such seeker use Expel efficiently..absolutely no way to kill them (unless you got perfect RNG and resort to purging the def lvl buff).
why did he up an fly away at the end lol
I guess he didn't like my kiting :D
Seekers OP vs SIN on same gear i dont think so.. All it seem a sin has to do is just play the kitting game which i cant blame them.. and that seekers doesnt look that tanky maybe its because is a sin..
Well, even in when he wasn't using r9 weap I could only hit him for 10k zc max and that with just 50k pdef...that is no damage at all. When he trip sparked with SS on, without even debuffing me at all, he hit me for 9k zc twice in a row..on 66% damage reduction charms xDD just like that. Insanity xD Seeker vs sin (at least when the seeker uses a max def genie like Evenis did) it's massively in the favor for the seeker. If he hits some decent hits on me, even with tidal on, I am dead xD On the other hand, when he just camps def weap and spams expel in time, there is nearly no way for me to kill him at all.
Keyword you said there IF.. an yea i see that an if he camp def weap he cant kill you either. and from the vid all you had to do was what you was doing kiting off for cds( no hate against it)..
Well, if he uses his defenses perfectly he can instantly force my genie by just using SS + Trip spark and spam skills with Blade Affinity on. 80% chance to evade all of my CC will make it nearly impossible for me to Counter-CC and I am literally forced to either take massive damage or run away. Since seeker have their own de-stealth skill I cannot even just stealth and wait it out. So at the very least I am forced to use something in order to survive..if I run away, the seeker just switches back to def weap and tries again next time. He can literally hit me for nearly 30k zc off def charm with that..without even having a debuff on me xDDD My max damage on him is 10k...with extreme poison xD So yeah, I am forced to kite, engaging a seeker without my genie being ready is borderline insane cause then I most likely get killed.
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There is nothing easier than seeker, Of course when you bait and do a spark combo, doing it no spark though is a bit more difficult, but still easy.
Not in this state of the game. Any decent seeker with a full Magic Expel genie that you cannot hit for at least 30k ZC with Toxic should win 9 out of 10 fights vs equally geared sins, if not all 10. Seeker is easy if the player is easy. The class itself is pretty insanely strong atm in PWI.
i wish i can switch my sin for a seeker :(
Seeker are insanely OP atm. Best if you run with a seeker in your team as well. SS debuff + CJ is outch.
Joe PWI seeker USED to be half a problem,now with blure...60% atk/def ss........and with adding +2 shards on neck/belt its just bs now xD
Even my TT70 LVL 100 Ra0 seeker(no passive,no cards,NOTHING) is killing G16 Ra2 ppl thats just sad xD
Very true :D
ROFL dying to a seeker as sin, hitting a new low every time when playing sin eh?
You are funny, seems like you are living in a dream world and/or mainly playing private server. I could bet 1k $ right now that you woul dnot EVER beat me on seeker in a 1v1 when you play sin in PWI on equal gears. Before you QQ educate yourself about the mechanics of the PWI Version displayed, this is not a fucking private server.