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Chris Salomone Would be cool if you did a project using the job site saw. I’ve got limited storage space in my two car garage and the job site saw is what I’m probably aiming for to work with my track saw
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Nice Video clip! Apologies for butting in, I would appreciate your opinion. Have you thought about - Schallingora Dexterous Programme Scheme (Have a quick look on google cant remember the place now)? It is a good one of a kind product for building any shed in no time with no experience minus the normal expense. Ive heard some awesome things about it and my best friend Jordan after many years got excellent success with it.
Hey dude I'm a novice I want a tool that can do both mitre cuts and long cuts, mostly for skirting and building made to measure wardrobes, what do you recommend? circle saw, table saw, track saw or a mitre saw. currently, I own non of these and would like to get a beginner level powertool that will last me a good couple of years with high quality without breaking the bank
You come off as the exact opposite of an entitled brat. You've worked hard. You create AMAZING work, and you invest in your tools. You come off as someone who is grateful for what you have, proud of what you've achieved, and enthusiastic about helping others. Thank you so much for sharing, and helping people like me discover woodworking. =)
I really appreciate the ending because sometimes i think people get caught up thinking they HAVE to have tool X to do a project. But the amazing thing about this craft is there is ALWAYS another way. I always say to people getting started buy what you can afford then upgrade as you can. I appreciate you taking the time to show all the pros and cons of each system
That is one of the best helpfull videos I've seen. I started as a cabinet maker 23yr ago and used some of the biggest tables saws to makes the smallest things and in construction ive use nothing more than a 165mm cordless saw and a 7 inch speed square to build boardwalks and veiwing platforms on bushwalks. This is so well explained most reps i deal with could learn from you.
Besides the fact that you've explained the technical cons and pros of the tools, how they are used and applied, I liked how you expressed that not everyone can or should own excessive amount of tools, at least more than what we need. Of course, like all hobbies, we dream of having everything, but in reality, you have to be practical. I'm an aspiring woodworker in the Philippines and powertools are quite expensive here. But your channel has encouraged me to invest on a Bosch 10J Table Saw (the best and affordable table saw available here). It was almost a year long decision making for me. Thank you Chris and keep it up. :)
I built all of my home cabinets with a circular saw (borrowed) and a kreg track. Even made rabbets and dado cuts for the drawers so it can be done on a budget
I sold two table saws and bought the Kreg ACS Master System. The reasons I LOVE the Kreg ACS... 1) Safety. Woodworking is a hobby, guitar is my passion. I no longer live in mortal fear that I will lose a finger off my left hand. 2) Accurate, repeatable cuts done quickly. 3) Portability. Folds up against the wall when not in use. I am loving this system. Once you get some practice and figure it out you will be churning out quality work in no time.
I bought an ACS master system as well, but I would not sell my table saw. The table saw is more accurate and repeatable. If I had it to do again, I think I would just get the Kreg track saw and not the ACS. However, I can see if portability is important to you, the ACS may have some advantages.
How does the Kreg saw do with tear-out? I have been eyeing this setup for some time. I am a sign maker so I need to make repeatable cuts on plywood. I don't have room for table saw at the moment so looking at the ACS.
I used to break down large sheets of plywood with a straight edge and circular saw, then finish cut on my table saw. With the acquisition of my (Makita) track saw, I finish cut directly with the track saw, high gain in efficiency. If you deal with a lot of sheet stock, a track saw should be your best friend, but beware of cut quality with the cheaper saws as I depend on the cut quality of my mid-cost track saw for a final splinter free cut on plywood. One thing you did not talk about is dust control, which can be excellent with a mid to high end track saw and dust collector. I am intrigued by the Kreg ACS, trying to decide if it would allow me to dispense with the table saw for cutting solid stock. But your discussion on size of the work piece versus the size of the tool confirms I should just keep using my table saw. Thanks for your video.
Bingo. The battery powered track saws (like the Makita XPS01, Festool TSC 55, etc) let you break down sheet goods with a finish cut wherever you are - be it in the parking lot at Home Depot, Lowe's, or Menards to fit it in your car, or at home because you don't want to try to manhandle a 4x8ft sheet of 3/4" MDF on a table saw. I just got a Makita XPS01 for the above reasons, and my table saw (dewalt 7491RS) is likely going to be relegated to dado work and high repetition cutting. I do plan on making a Festool MFT style worktop with dog holes for clamping & 90 degree crosscuts (some cabinet work in my future, and doing large crosscuts on a table saw - like Chris mentioned - can be a little dicey.
Why do you feel a good circular saw puts out lower quality cuts? do you think it's just the lack of a splinter guard? or is it something else? Is it the plunge mechanism? I have watched a few comparison videos now and I really wonder why the elephant in the room is not addressed. why not just buy a replacement splinter guard and put it on the bottom of a simple rip jig for a circular saw? you know, the one where you take a factory plywood edge, cut 2 inches off, glue that on the sheet back far enough that your saw will trim the edge when run along that factory edge "fence", do that, then just cut the entire thing free? What is it about a jig like that that makes it put out noticeably worse cut quality than a track saw? Just the lack of a professional splinter guard?
timmie, it’s experience mostly. I believe I was referring to cheap versus the more expensive track saws. You tuber Peter Millard, Ten Minute Workshop, did a series of experiments of cut quality versus saws/blades/splinter guards and if I remember, blades had the biggest effect. I did upgrade my circ saw with a better, higher tooth count, blade, still got splintering and a rough cut. I attributed the rough cut to the run out of the shaft of my circ saw. I was using a MLCS guide system to keep the cut straight, but no splinter guard to prevent splintering of the show layer. Perhaps a better circ saw would have improved the cut quality but my old Delta table saw with a zero clearance insert took care of that. Measuring where to clamp the rail was a bit of a hassle, but switching to a track saw took care of that hassle. When I bought my track saw, there were only three choices: DeWalt, Makita, and Festool. Makita was the most cost effective of the three @$400 as a show special and a risk bet for me. I was pleasantly surprised at the cut quality, equal if not better than my table saw, and the pure utility of it in breaking down sheet goods. I definitely won the risk bet, as the quality of the Makita saw came through, and I’ve continued to add to my investment with longer guide rails and various jigs. There are a lot more choices on the market now with the cost of entry much lower than when I took my risk bet, but I have heard of a lot of cut quality issues with some of the early cheap units even though the utility of the track saw is present.
Note, my track saw is corded, so uses the thicker blades. But that is a good observation that my track saw blades are superior to any 7-1/4” blades I ever owned, and comparable in quality to the Whiteside blades I use in my table saw. Some interesting points have been made by all the replies, things to give more thought.
I have a job site saw as my workshop consists of two shipping containers so space is tight, but by getting the jessem clear stock guides it is a game changer in cut quality and consistency. They prevent kickback and pull the workpiece into the fence and I would highly recommend them to anyone with a job site style saw, or any tablesaw for that matter. Nice video Chris 🤙🏼
Assembly instructions were a little unclear for a couple of items. It works great ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxyFZUPFEey-PuqsPMxqaykBhgA1LWxFHh though, easy to set up and use. If the instructions were better I would have given it 5 stars.
I started woodworking is architecture school back in the 90's making scale models and furniture. The shop had a powermatic 66 table saw no riving knife. I use a shop made plywood track with skillsaw wormdrive as a track saw. I currently have an old bench top table saw. Don't get hung up on having the right tools or brand names. Use the tools you have and have fun making things.
The most important thing to keep in mind is that there are diminishing returns on both tool use and utility. Yes, you can get 20 different tools, but then you will only use every tool 1/20th of the time at best, making it harder to justify the investment in additional tools. That's the tool use part of the equation. Then there is utility: Even with a very basic tool setup, you will quickly approach the point where any function you could conceivably want your tools to perform can be done to some capacity, and purchasing additional tools won't give you any more utility, it will only allow you to be more efficient at doing the things you can already do. Yes, having to jump through hoops to do a certain thing might be annoying at times, but if you are only ever gonna do that thing once per month, maybe you are better off just improvising with the tools you have whenever the task comes up. Of course, for a professional woodworker, you want every single task to be precise, quick, and repeatable, and that's where a wide suite of diverse tools comes in.
Loved your video. I purchased the ACS, and have been using it for over a year now instead of a circular or table saw. A few factors I considered that weren't mentioned involved past experiences with the kick back from a table saw and my lack of physical strength. The ACS is so easy to use for precision cuts, easy to control for safety purposes, and takes little strength to use all day long. I can't believe how so far I've never even thought about needing the other two saws. Note, however, that I usually have Home Depot make at least one of my cuts in a sheet of plywood so I can get it home and easily use it in my ACS.
I'm new to the hobby and this is definitely one of the best videos I've watched so far. I wish I came across it first. You didn't come off as arrogant or entitled at all. It was very helpful and informative :-)
Make sure you know how to do maintenance prior to that. Be it true up a fence or blade, etc. Generally, you’re going to get something that was used n abused in this class.
Chris.I just wanna say thanks for all your quality content. I think everyone appreciates the time you put into your videos. You are a born teacher with an honesty that is rare these days. Cheers bro
When I first got into woodworking and my first project being a kitchen remodel, building all my own cabinets, I started with a track saw (Mafell). I love it and it covered all my needs until I needed to be able to make dozens of rips at the same 3/4" width. At that point I decided a table saw would be more efficient so I got the SawStop PCS. I also love it and now use it to make some of the cuts I used to only make with the track saw, but I don't use it for everything. Each has their strengths and I still use the track saw for a lot. Like he said in the video, sometimes you want to take the tool to the workpiece rather than the workpiece to the tool.
For long plywood cuts, was surprised how much I used the Kreg Rip-Cut with my Craftman Circular saw. Fast setup and great repeatibility. Having a good blade on there really stepped it up as well. Video made me rethink whats best for my home projects. Thanks.
Great post. I have a cabinet saw and a track saw, and if I could recommend only one, it would be as follows. If you work primarily with sheet goods (plywood, MDF), a track saw with an attachment/jig for making square and repeatable cuts may be all that you ever need. I have a Festool and it's great, but the Kreg system looks pretty darn compelling. If you do any significant work with dimensional lumber, get a table saw. An entry level job site saw is better suited for this kind of work than the most expensive track saw. When you do have to break down plywood, use a circular saw with an inexpensive straightedge or cutting jig. I'm sure that others will disagree, and that's just fine. One of the more bewildering aspects of woodworking is that there are tons of ways to accomplish the same thing, and what works for me might drive you bananas. At the end of the day, most of us get to where we are through trial and (lots of) error.
All I have is a circular saw. And a nice straight piece of scrap metal. It's slow set up as mentioned in the video but hey don't we always measure twice and cut once. When I move to my new house though I will have more space and look at saving for a portable table saw just for speed and space. As I will still use the circular saw and straight edge for sheets of ply etc. For me no real need for a track saw as or a big cabinet table saw. (I mostly just make stuff for the house/garden) Btw Chris, don't worry you always come across very down to earth with your explanation you did good with your explanations. Keep it up.
I used to rip 4x8 sheets on the table saw all day at one of my past jobs. Was very very challenging at first, but quickly learned how to do it safely and fast. But you need quite a big table saw with an outfeed table!
EXTREMELY informative. I don't have the space and saving up the money. Now I now which way I should be leaning towards. The thought of entitlement or arrogance never entered my mind. You've earned what you have and that's the bottom line. Plus how else are you going to be able to put out this type of content if you didn't go through it yourself. Huge thanks from me
Your advice has always been welcomed and many of my questions have been answered by just listening to you speak. I retired a little over 8 years and started a custom cabinet shop. It's always been tough to handle a 4 x 8 sheet of plywood on my cabinet saw. Once I saw you breaking down sheet lumber with a track saw, the little bulb in my brain lit up. Thanks for all your help, advice and sense of humor, Roy
One of the best things I purchased, was a sawguide for a japanese handsaw. It was about 50 bucks. And I know handsaws are stupidly slow, but it enabled me (as the first tool I had as a broke af student) to make absolute precise cuts (even all kind of beveled cuts) for very few money. but like I said it takes time.
When you get skilled with a handsaw, it becomes faster for many operations too. Not saying power tools don't require skill, they do, only that the dividend in finished cut quality improves much more when you get skilled with hand tools.
Scott M I agree. I carry a bag of hand tools as well as power... in the shop I also have hand tools. I often can cut quicker and with far less mess than using power tools
Taking your advice and leaving a comment. I gave away all of my Dewalt construction site tools to a young carpenter so he could start his own business. Now that I’m retired ... I’m starting from scratch. Building a little workshop and considering the Festool system for projects around the house. Glad to hear they are so well built and last a long time with zero issues. Thanks.
Great video and I know it's impossible to cover absolutely everything, but for my interests as a weekend warrior/hobbyist who generally wants to make practical stuff for the home, the surprising array of JIGS people invent for the table saw make it as close as you can get to the ultimate cutting tool. From circles to coves to dowels to splines to everything you demonstrated to Heaven knows what else, the table saw can be made to do a million different things that I have yet to see a track saw do. Okay, end of my 2 cents.
As a professional carpenter I would get a Makita tracksaw and a 14/12 Laguna bandsaw from the start. From there if you have the space you could acquire a good used cabinet saw and a circular saw of some sort. Either a professional Dewalt DW364K or a brushless 7 1/2". I like the Makita 18V system as it makes the most sense to me financially. I love the DW364K for framing roofs. With the track saw I would make a take down 5x9 foot table out of 3 pieces of plywood using the UJK Parf Guide System. This would allow you to break down large sheet easily and very accurately. You would also want to join the Festool Owners Group Forum to keep up to date with the latest 20mm accessories. That's just my experience though. Some like the latest and greatest toys and like to spend money on neat gadgets. I wish I had a track saw 25 years ago as it has changed the way I work and it allows a very high degree of precision with less setup than a straight edge. This is another great option for those who like to build:benchworks.be/en/projects/mf-tc-multifunction-tool-cart/
This was really useful -- I was looking at getting a table saw plus a circular saw, but have limited space. Your video helped me realize I can do virtually everything I need to do with a track saw and a good set of guide rails, albeit a bit slower and with more fiddling around with clamps. Thanks!
FYI. There is actually a video from Brian on The Woodsmith Shop who says he just may prefer to not have a table saw in his shop and do everything with a track saw and router and miter saw. You might want to check it out. Kinda makes sense.
I love your impartial and informational explanations and your humility. You are not trying to persuade the viewer to come over to your side, just presenting the facts!
Coming across this video was perfect timing for me. I had found the Kreg track saw stuff and was very seriously thinking about getting the track. You have helped me confirm that I am definitely gonna be going that route seeing as how I have a circular saw already, and I am just not in the market right now for some of the other options. Thanks for making such an informative video!
These Kinds of Videos are invaluable to Folks like me. I am an Ironworker, 30 years. Woodworking and home DIY are my Hobby. What tools to spend money on is a great service to me, (besides your videos are awesome. ) Not only what tools bur all the things that can be done with basic tools. And I totally agree with you about getting the good tool as apposed to the low$$ tools. Thanks for what you do !!
Great video Chris. I started off with a circular saw, and after a couple of months got the Kreg track. This worked well for awhile, and then as I got into more detailed projects, I got a DeWalt job site saw, due to space and budget considerations. After having that for maybe the last two years, I find myself thinking about the professional cabinet saw - but the Kreg ACS also has some nice features. I guess I’m saying (for me) that tool selection has been a process based on experience level, what I need/want the tool to do, and what my budget is at the time. Thanks again for what you do and for sharing your thought process on buying tools.
I think it goes that way for a lot of people. It's also one of the reasons I think the ACS is worth consideration. Like I said in the video, If I had to pick one tool to be the center of my workshop, obviously a large cabinet saw would be number 1. But after that I'm pretty close to tied between the ACS and higher end Jobsite saws. That said, if in 2 years I know I'm going to end up with a cabinet saw...when that happens, my jobsite saw is going to become pretty much worthless, but the ACS I'd still use regardless of what table saw I have. So I think it actually has more long term value.
Great video, thanks man. I recently took the plunge and got a track saw despite advice to get a table saw, and after working with it a bit, admittedly I'm a novice, you do realize they are different and have their own advantages. Btw, one can't really survive with just one Phillips screwdriver, so don't beat yourself up about having two table saws. I've seen UA-cam channels that showcase pretty cool stuff, but you need a laser cutter and two back-to-back CNC's and the tail end of a Boeing 747, I appreciate you keeping it along the centre line, these are the tools you have and these are the advantages. For new buyers like myself there is value in what you do, and we appreciate it
Great breakdown and comparison video. I really didn't know how it was going to be since it was so far outside your typical Foureyes video content. Super good on-camera commentary too. A great resource for all of us that are upgrading and/or building out a shop.
Superb video Chris! I’m pretty particular as an engineer and former Gen Mgr at large company. You nailed everything from content, perspectives, presentation quality and honesty. Thank you. I just had 70 large trees harvested from my property for a variety of reasons and have 90 bd ft of high quality hardwoods to make a kitchen table, shelving, end tables, etc. the proper tools are my next investments.
I am saving for a dewalt jobsite saw. No way I have the money or space to have a big table saw unfortunitly. Love what you do. Started woodworkingcourse in september. Love it! Thanks for inspiring me
Not sure which DeWalt your saving for by I have one with a rack and pinion fence and it's brilliant, I was lucky and mine was 100% square out the box. I don't think you'll be disappointed
A Dewalt DW745. If I could get a Sawstop, I would but I live i Belgium. Festool has bought Sawstop and is developing one for Europe but will be much money I think. Launch in 2020...
Dewalt makes a pretty nice saw! But make sure it comes with a sturdy good quality fence. My saw (5 year old) doesn't have the best and its SO expensive to buy an aftermarket one
@@alexaben6849 A jobsite table saw can get you far, I'm still using one until I have room for a real shop. But if you ever work with larger plywood you will want/need a circular saw to break things down to a manageable size!
So glad I found this video! I bought an old Craftsman belt drive table saw for $150. I love that it's much quieter than my first no-name brand from Lowe's but it's also missing the riving knife and safety items. It's also a huge piece of equipment that has a rail on the front that takes 3-4 inches of reach away from me. I'm only 5'3" so I built a platform so I had more downward pressure and easier to reach a little further past the blade. I think after having watched this so perfectly informative video, I'm going to get the project table so I can free up some space in my basement shop and hopefully find it much more manageable for me to work and feel safer when using it. I find my current table saw limits what I'll try because while I do work as safely as possible, I am very apprehensive to rip a 2x4, nevermind anything thicker than that. Anyway, I said way too much but I found your video to be helpful and was exactly what I needed to see right now.
I found it very useful to just make a track for my circular saw using a little plywood. while it's heavier than a bought track would be, and a little harder to store, it was also basically free since it was made with scrap plywood. I know John Heisz made a video on making one years ago for anyone interested in the idea.
Thanks Chris. No Apologies necessary. Professionals like yourself, commonly have multiples of similar tools. Your quality and level of workmanship always comes across very well.
I went through exactly this thought process. My requirements as a competent DIYer were: - Reasonably priced - Consistent accurate square cuts - Safe (as I'm pretty clumsy..) - foldaway/putaway as I only have a small area in garage to work (not a dedicated shop) Already had a circular saw and had made a track/jig but just could not get the required accuracy. Table saw I ruled out for reasons of safety, space and also ability to cut large sheet material. Ended up with a budget track saw (Titan) plus MFT table top (generic 3rd party) on some trestles and alu bench dogs from Benchdogs UK plus guide rail from Ooznest. I'm really happy with this combo and wish I'd found it years ago. Next upgrade would be to buy a longer track (Makita) as mine are 2 x 600mm which join together.
When i started woodworking with little to no tools, i used a jog saw to rough cut material. And then use the router with a pattern bit and a straight edge to clean up the cut. Especially usefull for people with little space and budget! Cheers
Excellent overview, and a lot of this especially raises good points for newer woodworkers. Good job. Obviously some decisions simply fall out of the answer to the question, "what are you going to be doing" with your saw. I think - unintentionally on the author's part - there may be some bias toward the use/need to rip a lot of sheet goods, thus there seems to be a lean toward the track saws. In my experience, there is nothing so basic, with considerable versatility, as a circular saw for cutting wood; it's not an either/or decision among a circular, track, or table saw. To me, a track saw setup is the most specific/dedicated tool in the bunch. If doing long cuts and rips comprises most of your woodworking life, a track saw makes a lot of sense. But it is clearly the least adaptable to other uses - after all, using the "track" for rips is what you do with a track saw. But that is easily accomplished with a circular saw, straight edge, and a couple clamps, and the only real cost is the circular saw. Where the finish of the material you are cutting is of no concern, simple screw the straight edge onto the material you are cutting. I've done probably hundreds of straight-edge rips of long boards and sheet goods with my circular saw when I didn't have access to my table saw (or didn't own one!), or for cutting material down to more manageable size prior to final dimensioning on my table saw. But long before I could afford or had a proper space for a table saw, I was doing fine cutting with a circular saw. And for crosscuts, I would find a track saw cumbersome and a hindrance. Better to hone one's skill with a circular saw which has tremendous versatility and portability for all sorts of applications. Clearly, nothing beats a table saw's versatility, adaptability, repeatability, or accuracy, especially when one begins to adapt various jigs and accessories, homemade or bought, and really think outside the box. But - and cost and space considerations aside - I still wouldn't recommend a table saw for a "first tool," certainly not out of the three discussed here. Go with a good quality circular saw, and gain experience and develop skill with it. Also, unless you operate in a jungle most of the time without access to AC power, I wouldn't consider a cordless saw. Batteries have to be charged sooner or later, they add weight to the tool, eventually they die and are expensive to replace, and at some point the manufacturer stops making the batteries and the tool is worthless. I've have two corded Bosch circular saws that I've had forever and still run like new. Over a longer period, I had two cordless drills that worked just fine, but had to be scrapped just because batteries were no longer available for them at any price.
The info was very relevant and helpful. The only thing I'd say as a newbie is that at the beginning, I had a really bad accuracy with the cuts. So i got a jobsite table saw which I'd say really helped me keep going on without getting discouraged. For me a circular saw with a guide and a jobsite table saw has been working great as I'm short of space 😀
I started on job site table saw and had a hand saw. I upgraded to a cabinet table saw for several reasons but the main was the quality and accuracy of the fence. I have not yet upgraded to a SawStop but plan to because my hobby is becoming more of a business and for all the reasons Chris said, spending more hrs around the tool increases your risk to injury. If anyone is starting out I think there are really two essentials. Miter/chopsaw and table saw. Cheers!
I really like buying cheap/used tools when I'm trying something new. I make a few projects with them to recoup the costs then upgrade to nicer tools if I really like them. So I disagree with the recommendation to save up and buy quality, because that has a higher up front cost for something you might not like. However, I understand that point of view and if it works for you don't let someone like me tell you it's wrong.
@@mikemckenna4816 It's more wasted money to buy something you don't like or break because you haven't learned to use it. Additionally, the cost of cheap tools can be recouped with one or two jobs using those tools.
I’m not sure where you live but in Orange County used tools are not discounted nearly enough to justify buying used. So I guess if you’re looking to buy a quality used tool, they don’t depreciate much. At least around here.
@@handymadness I'm usually able to find quality used tools when people are moving. They come up on Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace occasionally. Most used tools aren't worth it.
Listen brother, don't apologize for your success. It proves your worth. its not entitlement. its obvious you work hard, you are skilled. an old engineer adage, "2 is 1, and 1 is none". back ups are important especially with your source of living. Great info. You actually gave a great perspective. thank you for helping me decide.
I haven't read all the previous comments (over 400) so I don't know whether anyone else has raised this. I think the safety aspect is very important and using a track saw is far safer than using a table saw. Even a saw stop does not guarantee your safety!
I’ll second that. My first cut with a table saw I launched a board across my shop at about 150 mph. If nothing else watch some safety videos and read the manual (used saw had no manual). No excuse for safety, these machines are all capable of making a 9 fingered carpenter, or worse.
Amazing info. I've been woodworking for about 5 years now. Started off with a Ryobi table saw. Quickly started getting into big projects around the house. That table saw went out on me quickly. Bought a Ridgid portable table saw cost a little bit more but lifetime warranty. Made an outfeed table(assembly table) for it. If I had the space I would definitely buy a cabinet saw. I guess like you said at the beginning it depends what your set up is.
I was one person that asked you this question early on. I have since come to the conclusion that unless you are sticking to one very specialized making method some combination of two or three options is best. I’ve settled (over time and gradually acquiring tools) on a miter saw for quick cross cuts, track saw for long rip cuts, table saw for every thing else. Now I watch the video. 😂
Yeah...that is kind of the truth and where it all leads if you get really serious and stay into it for a good amount of time. I should have made that the video. I just say "look...eventually you're going to buy them all, so just buy the best of everything now and be done with it" :)
Great video! An important factor in the acquisition of tools is whether the shop is a commercial operation or a hobbyist operation. A hobbyist may pamper and protect his tools like they are his children while a commercial shop may see a higher level of tool abuse which justifies (sometimes!) investing in cheaper [throw away tools]-drop your $200 Festool RO sander and bend the shaft and your OOL, drop your HFT RO sander, toss it in the trash and grab another. One more useless comment... woodworkers love to build stuff- a couple of shop-built track saw guides of different lengths are quick, versatile and cheap. Building a track guide shoe for your circular saw frees up not having to have a dedicated track saw, which are pricey. Over all, your video was a great review. Very intelligently put together and enjoyable to watch...subscribed.
I have.no woodworking experience and no space. I've been wanting to get started on some projects and in my mind's eye I envisioned a sturdy foldable table with opportunities to secure jigs and attachments, along with a track saw. I had no idea this thing existed. Love it. Now I just gotta save up and find a vendor. Thanks so much.
Awesome video! I went jobsite table saw first followed by a circular saw and a jigsaw. I then later got a track for my circular saw. With those I'm pretty much sorted for any project.
Great review and its like you say when you do it for a living you will have more tools. I have two table saws as well one for work and one for home. Good review for someone just starting out
Great video, I think it’s accurate. My track saw will never replace my table saw. For home Reno & woodworking combined there isn’t a reasonable way to stick to a track saw… 15 amps of table saw does not compare to any other saw, not even close in my opinion. The power is easily doubled
Dylan Thomas obviously you’re in love with Festool. However for the average hobbyist it’s just too expensive I wouldn’t even recommend the Craig system I would simply get a Skil saw and make a homemade tracksaw jig for it. as a matter of fact you can make a multitude of jigs that you could use with just your average skill saw to mimic most things you can do with table saw, track saw, miter saw. Of course the compound miter saw, well that’s a whole other story.
Duane Miller did you not see me say the KREG system is good but Festool is top of the line. I use a Festool because I make furniture to sell, if you don’t sell furniture or cabinets there is no reason to buy such an expensive saw
Chris did a great job of representing peoples situation and the thought process of considering what might be a good fit for someone. This is a great review and verifies the reasons I picked up the Kreg Adaptive Cutting Station (ACS). I'm a hobbyist who didn't want to go all in on the space and cost of a Saw Stop, but I also wanted something accurate. I considered the Festool and ACS and like Chris said, the ACS came out as the better buy and the ACS is incredibly easy to setup and measure cuts. The plastic guides are disappointing, but they work. I've used the ACS to cut angles, bevels, panels and even long strips of veneer. If I ever get the point where I'm making repeat cuts or need even more accuracy, I'll get the cabinet saw, but for now it's a great choice.
I’ve been debating on going with the Festool track saw or the Kreg (for the price). And I think this video just made my mind up for me. I use a lot of Kreg accessories and they are great, I was just worried about how a power tool would perform.
Really well done comparison with seasoned insight. I've been battling this decision for quite some time. I'm still using a 5-1/2" 18V Makita circular saw with Kreg square cut and Emerson clamping track (same track used with a Rockler router dado jig). I know, a first world dilemma, but I keep going back and forth between Sawstop contractor tablesaw-Kreg ACS-Makita tracksaw for a one-car garage space. This appreciated video has helped, and yet ....
1st time I've watched one of your videos. Great info and presentation. The fact that we totally agree on our thinking helps too. Looks like you have a new subscriber!
Hey- just wanted to say this was an excellent explainer video. This felt like just the right amount of information (not too brief, not too detailed), it was easy to follow and laid out the different options well. Thanks!
Exactly what I have done after a long search. No regrets at all. Doesn't take much room, quite affordable, for my DIY good enough. If you are making sigar boxes as a hobby, please look further
Great video. You explained everything in a way anyone can understand and great comparisons. You don’t have to apologize for anything tho unless you did something wrong or unethical to get where you are and have the tools you have. A landscaper doesn’t apologize for having a mower, a riding mower, wheedwacker, and leaf blower and you shouldn’t either.
I don't understand why Kreg wouldn't make the track 84 inches. I would assume one of the big reasons you use a track saw is for breaking down a full sheet of plywood. Doesn't make much sense to me.
The tracks can attach, so you could make them infinitely long. Two of them together handles a full sheet of plywood. And I don't think I'd recommend that anybody buy more than two :)
I can not express how lucky you look to me. I am in the process of setting up my small woodworking shop and the first big tool i purchased was my table saw. This was a major purchase for me. I purchased a Kobalt job site table saw. Like I said this was a major purchase for me at $300. There was no way I could come close to affording a SawStop saw of any variety. Your 2 SawStops together cost almost half as much as my shop building. I do like the information you gave, but I do wish more of you in the woodworking UA-cam business catered to those of us that are just starting and have to work with a minimal budget.
This is precisely why I just kept looking at videos till I stumbled on this one. They're not just intimidating...they're dangerous. I am *not* a woodworker by any stretch, and I like my fingers and my body parts. I love tinkering with stuff, but at 47 and creaky already w/ 2 very young girls, I have honestly hesitated, as neat as table saws look. The ACS seems like the winner to me...I just feel that being on top of something instead of behind its crazy force aiming back at me is much more welcoming. Thanks so much for the video!
Excellent video. I am getting back into woodworking after a 20-year hiatus. I am establishing a new shop and have been considering my initial purchases to set up the garage workshop. I was considering the ACS track saw acquisition in advance of a table saw. Your feedback and rationale have eased the decision-making process.
First, I'd like to say this is a great video overall! You thoroughly explained in very real examples the pros and cons of these without getting too lost in words. However, you earned my subscription in the last minute and a half. Props for owning up to the fact that the profession you have chosen kind of naturally comes with the perk of using very high quality tools on a regular basis. A spoiled brat definitely would not have taken the time to thank a sponsor in his own words, nor would he be aware of the fact that he might seem spoiled to others. I'll be tuning in to some of your other content soon. To keep things on topic, I'm currently in the market for my first circular saw. I'm leaning toward the Milwaukee M18 line since I already own several other M18 tools. But after seeing this video and a couple others that highlight Kreg tools and accessories, I'm more curious about their offerings. The Accucut jig seems like a great budget addition to a circular saw as well.
This is the first time I've watched one of Chris's videos and I was quite impressed. It was informative and easy to follow. As a retired cabinet maker and shop teacher (my woodworking career started as an apprentice cabinetmaker in 1971), I've been downsizing my shop tools and equipment. Even with almost 50 years in the woodworking business it is important for me to do my research to find out what's new in the industry - especially when it comes to safety, what equipment is the most reliable, the most accurate, and the most cost effective for my particular situation. I couldn't agree more with the ending comments of this video - Buy as much quality as you can afford up front - you won't regret it. I did want to add one comment regarding multiple or redundant pieces of equipment. If you are only doing this as a casual hobby, then yes, you probably only need stationary saw (table saw), one router table etc. But, if you are seriously into woodworking and plan on making any money at it, then well planned duplicates or multiples of certain machines will be a godsend. You can leave tools and equipment set-up to do processes that you repeat often. I always kept a jointer set-up to "bump" the corners of fixed, open shelves the were dadoed into the cabinet sides and partitions. Every operation involved in making drawers was permanately set- up on the required shapers or router tables. Almost every project ends up needing at. least some drawers. If I had to set -up to make just one or two drawers, I'd loose money on each one. By being able to just walk over to the necessary machines that are already set up, you can make a drawer in a matter of minutes., whether it's dovetailed, lock joint or whatever. My point is, You don't have to make excuses to anybody for being efficient and safe. I know this is an older video Chris, so keep them coming, they're great! I'll be back.
Im a weekend wood worker. Mostly working on some home improvement projects. I started off with a Makita circ saw then just added a kreg accu cut after a year. I was aiming for accuracy and speed. One thing I learned is that, the accu cut needs a lot of tests before you can get the accuracy that you want.
Having had experience owning festool track saw and MFT3 table I can say I wasn’t impressed. It was a very expensive setup and worked well for what it was. Some things about the Kreg setup looks better than the festool. The price tag for starters. The table size looks more appropriate. it has wheels! ( MFT is really heavy and should have had wheels). I couldn’t do everything I wanted without buying more fancy dodads and the Kreg accessories are far more affordable. The Kreg setup looks like a nice option I now own a contractor table saw (not to be confused with a job site table saw), circular saw and a cheap track saw. I would skip the track saw if you are thinking of going really cheap. Also highly recommend cordless for the circular saw. Not really for the track saw if you plan on using a vacuum hooked to the saw.
well said. I've never tried the MFT, so I avoided commenting on it. Really the only comparison I can say is that the price difference is pretty large. I guess the wheels too. That's not really subjective :)
I own the Makita corded track saw and wish I had bought the cordless version. Simply because dragging both a vacuum hose and a power cable across the track/table has ruined more than one cut. I own a Ryobi cordless circular saw and love it. Small, lightweight, and cuts through what I need it for including 4x8 3/4 plywood easily. One other note is to buy the best blades you can afford. I run Diablo on all my saws and get very good to perfect cuts, even on the Ryobi.
I have a mid-range circular saw and it can't cut a straight line to save it's life. I can't understand how people make due with something like that if they need to build anything that requires precision.
I have a somewhat cheap circular saw and I keep getting impressed of how accurate I can make a cut even just freehanding it. I think I never got more than 2mm off and I can see myself improving with practice. I bought a track saw attachment but seem to get as close to the right dimensions as freehanding it. In any case I'll eventually get a table saw for the added precision and faster workflow.
Circular saws should be able to cut (almost) perfectly straight lines if you use a guide. Once I started using a guide (MDF board clamped over the piece-under-cut) the straight-line issue was solved. I couldn't make a decent cut when following a line, though. For me, it's the tear-out that took me away from circular saws.
@@lcsquared8937 oh, yes -- I struggled with that too. I had to adjust it a little, and I stopped leaning on it. Now my angles are better, but I typically use that saw only as a last resort.
Great video. And you don't need to apologize or add disclaimers for every observation, opinion or comment. This is the best tool overview video I've watched since starting woodworking 2 years ago. Wish I found you sooner! Thank you 🙌
Great content as always Chris, thanks for sharing your insights as it’s going to be very useful for me. I have been saving for a while for a pro table saw, I have a circular saw and have made jigs and squares over the years but as you elude to the fact it just takes time. I have the space so thanks for the advice, I’m gonna wait it out! Thanks man 👍
Excellent video Chris. Really appreciate the breakdown on all the different aspects of each tool. One of your best comments and the thing everyone should know by now is what you said about the quality of the tool. If you have done the research and know what you want do not go cheap. In the end you will regret it. And no, you are not a brat, so you know
Great study and video thanks. In conclusion, IMHO for the average DIYer with space limitations, go for the circular saw or track saw dependent on your budget. Stick to pocket hole joinery to avoid needing an assembly table. Stick to timber merchant planed wood and construction plywood. This should enable you to construct any built-in furniture in you house and some outdoor projects. If you’re into a medium-sized wood workshop for more complex jobs, buy a table saw. If you are into fine woodworking and have access to inexpensive lumber like oak, buy all the above and add thicknesses planers, bandsaws etc
"Scrap wood - link in description" I lol'd, then went to the description just to see that they're not there. That would be hilarious if you were actually selling scrap wood through an ecommerce site.....
Great video Chris. I started with a hand me down radial arm saw from my dad. My first major purchase was a sliding miter saw and then a delta table saw. In hindsight I should have waited and just purchased a better table saw and a track saw - both of which are on my wishlist now. So I think your points are spot on. Thanks for making such a thoughtful and well informed video. Keep up the great work!
I was frustrated trying to make accurate cuts with a circular saw and a straight edge for sheet goods primarily. I have a table saw (old Craftsman contractor saw) but, as stated in the video, its difficult or almost impossible to break down sheet goods safely on a table saw. I recently bought a Makita track saw and am loving it. I still use my table saw for most cuts but breaking down sheet goods just got way easier and more enjoyable.
@@Foureyes.Furniture that depends on how much you have and what you want to do. Or it could come down to availability. I bought a table saw for $20. But they don't show up at that price every day. Last week I bought a worm drive circular saw because they only wanted $10 for it. I already have a pile of circular saws but I didn't have a worm drive one yet so why not?
Awesome video thanks. I have jobsite saw and this helped me discover I need a track saw. Like a Festool. I don’t gave the cash for a cabinet saw. I mainly need a track saw for breaking down large ply and cut table tops. I have no circular saw. It broke so I think a track saw will help get accurate cuts with bulky items. The table saw only has a cap. Of 28”. Sucks but eventually I’ll get a big cabinet in a year or too. Thanks again!
I am new to woodworking and found this close to how things went for me over the last two years. Originally I purchased a circular saw years ago. Two years ago I purchased a Bosch 4100 site saw. Honestly I found it intimidating. Not from cuts but kickback as I am on blood thinners. I recently purchased the Kreg system and really enjoy the safety features. I am keeping the Bosch for small work with a sled.
Thank you for watching! Make sure to look at the description for links to all the tools. Here are the Saws:
CIRCULAR SAW
▸ Hikoki / Metabo HPT
US Version - bit.ly/iiii-MetaboCircularSaw
Rest of the World - bit.ly/iiii-HiKokiCircularSaw
TRACK SAWS
▸ Festool - amzn.to/2VCcgcE
▸ Kreg - bit.ly/ACS-foureyes
KREG ADAPTIVE CUTTING SYSTEM
▸ Kreg Adaptive Cutting System - bit.ly/ACS-foureyes
From now Until December 31st Kreg is running a promo on the ACS. Here is a link to the page with the deals and all information: bit.ly/iiii-ACSpromo2019
TABLE SAWS
▸ SawStop Jobsite Saw - bit.ly/iiii-SawStopJobSite-Rockler
▸ SawStop Professional Cabinet Saw - bit.ly/iiii-SawStopPCS-Rockler
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Would be cool if you did a project using the job site saw. I’ve got limited storage space in my two car garage and the job site saw is what I’m probably aiming for to work with my track saw
Lovely Video! Sorry for the intrusion, I would love your opinion. Have you thought about - Schallingora Dexterous Programme Scheme (google it)? It is a great one off product for building any shed in no time with no experience without the normal expense. Ive heard some interesting things about it and my cousin at last got amazing results with it.
Nice Video clip! Apologies for butting in, I would appreciate your opinion. Have you thought about - Schallingora Dexterous Programme Scheme (Have a quick look on google cant remember the place now)? It is a good one of a kind product for building any shed in no time with no experience minus the normal expense. Ive heard some awesome things about it and my best friend Jordan after many years got excellent success with it.
Hey dude I'm a novice I want a tool that can do both mitre cuts and long cuts, mostly for skirting and building made to measure wardrobes, what do you recommend?
circle saw, table saw, track saw or a mitre saw.
currently, I own non of these and would like to get a beginner level powertool that will last me a good couple of years with high quality without breaking the bank
Been woodworking for over 25 yrs. This guy has the pros and cons down really well. Very good job.
You come off as the exact opposite of an entitled brat. You've worked hard. You create AMAZING work, and you invest in your tools. You come off as someone who is grateful for what you have, proud of what you've achieved, and enthusiastic about helping others. Thank you so much for sharing, and helping people like me discover woodworking. =)
Wow... so this is the new baseline for a thoroughly explained video 🤯🤯. You killed it!
Thank you sir. Appreciate all the ideas you gave me as I went into filming it :)
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I really appreciate the ending because sometimes i think people get caught up thinking they HAVE to have tool X to do a project. But the amazing thing about this craft is there is ALWAYS another way. I always say to people getting started buy what you can afford then upgrade as you can. I appreciate you taking the time to show all the pros and cons of each system
That is one of the best helpfull videos I've seen. I started as a cabinet maker 23yr ago and used some of the biggest tables saws to makes the smallest things and in construction ive use nothing more than a 165mm cordless saw and a 7 inch speed square to build boardwalks and veiwing platforms on bushwalks. This is so well explained most reps i deal with could learn from you.
Besides the fact that you've explained the technical cons and pros of the tools, how they are used and applied, I liked how you expressed that not everyone can or should own excessive amount of tools, at least more than what we need. Of course, like all hobbies, we dream of having everything, but in reality, you have to be practical. I'm an aspiring woodworker in the Philippines and powertools are quite expensive here. But your channel has encouraged me to invest on a Bosch 10J Table Saw (the best and affordable table saw available here). It was almost a year long decision making for me. Thank you Chris and keep it up. :)
Good luck dinno
Couldn’t find the link in the description for scrap pieces of plywood.
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Comment of the day.
Just come by my place, I have plenty of scraps.
LOL... I seriously would like a video on clever ideas for managing and storing scrap wood.
I built all of my home cabinets with a circular saw (borrowed) and a kreg track. Even made rabbets and dado cuts for the drawers so it can be done on a budget
I sold two table saws and bought the Kreg ACS Master System. The reasons I LOVE the Kreg ACS... 1) Safety. Woodworking is a hobby, guitar is my passion. I no longer live in mortal fear that I will lose a finger off my left hand. 2) Accurate, repeatable cuts done quickly. 3) Portability. Folds up against the wall when not in use. I am loving this system. Once you get some practice and figure it out you will be churning out quality work in no time.
I bought an ACS master system as well, but I would not sell my table saw. The table saw is more accurate and repeatable. If I had it to do again, I think I would just get the Kreg track saw and not the ACS. However, I can see if portability is important to you, the ACS may have some advantages.
How does the Kreg saw do with tear-out? I have been eyeing this setup for some time. I am a sign maker so I need to make repeatable cuts on plywood. I don't have room for table saw at the moment so looking at the ACS.
I used to break down large sheets of plywood with a straight edge and circular saw, then finish cut on my table saw. With the acquisition of my (Makita) track saw, I finish cut directly with the track saw, high gain in efficiency. If you deal with a lot of sheet stock, a track saw should be your best friend, but beware of cut quality with the cheaper saws as I depend on the cut quality of my mid-cost track saw for a final splinter free cut on plywood. One thing you did not talk about is dust control, which can be excellent with a mid to high end track saw and dust collector.
I am intrigued by the Kreg ACS, trying to decide if it would allow me to dispense with the table saw for cutting solid stock. But your discussion on size of the work piece versus the size of the tool confirms I should just keep using my table saw. Thanks for your video.
yeah, if you're doing something like ripping a bunch of thin strips, you can do it on the ACS...but I'd say table saw is the way to go for that.
Bingo. The battery powered track saws (like the Makita XPS01, Festool TSC 55, etc) let you break down sheet goods with a finish cut wherever you are - be it in the parking lot at Home Depot, Lowe's, or Menards to fit it in your car, or at home because you don't want to try to manhandle a 4x8ft sheet of 3/4" MDF on a table saw.
I just got a Makita XPS01 for the above reasons, and my table saw (dewalt 7491RS) is likely going to be relegated to dado work and high repetition cutting. I do plan on making a Festool MFT style worktop with dog holes for clamping & 90 degree crosscuts (some cabinet work in my future, and doing large crosscuts on a table saw - like Chris mentioned - can be a little dicey.
Why do you feel a good circular saw puts out lower quality cuts? do you think it's just the lack of a splinter guard? or is it something else? Is it the plunge mechanism?
I have watched a few comparison videos now and I really wonder why the elephant in the room is not addressed. why not just buy a replacement splinter guard and put it on the bottom of a simple rip jig for a circular saw? you know, the one where you take a factory plywood edge, cut 2 inches off, glue that on the sheet back far enough that your saw will trim the edge when run along that factory edge "fence", do that, then just cut the entire thing free?
What is it about a jig like that that makes it put out noticeably worse cut quality than a track saw? Just the lack of a professional splinter guard?
timmie, it’s experience mostly. I believe I was referring to cheap versus the more expensive track saws. You tuber Peter Millard, Ten Minute Workshop, did a series of experiments of cut quality versus saws/blades/splinter guards and if I remember, blades had the biggest effect.
I did upgrade my circ saw with a better, higher tooth count, blade, still got splintering and a rough cut. I attributed the rough cut to the run out of the shaft of my circ saw. I was using a MLCS guide system to keep the cut straight, but no splinter guard to prevent splintering of the show layer. Perhaps a better circ saw would have improved the cut quality but my old Delta table saw with a zero clearance insert took care of that. Measuring where to clamp the rail was a bit of a hassle, but switching to a track saw took care of that hassle.
When I bought my track saw, there were only three choices: DeWalt, Makita, and Festool. Makita was the most cost effective of the three @$400 as a show special and a risk bet for me. I was pleasantly surprised at the cut quality, equal if not better than my table saw, and the pure utility of it in breaking down sheet goods. I definitely won the risk bet, as the quality of the Makita saw came through, and I’ve continued to add to my investment with longer guide rails and various jigs. There are a lot more choices on the market now with the cost of entry much lower than when I took my risk bet, but I have heard of a lot of cut quality issues with some of the early cheap units even though the utility of the track saw is present.
Note, my track saw is corded, so uses the thicker blades. But that is a good observation that my track saw blades are superior to any 7-1/4” blades I ever owned, and comparable in quality to the Whiteside blades I use in my table saw. Some interesting points have been made by all the replies, things to give more thought.
I have a job site saw as my workshop consists of two shipping containers so space is tight, but by getting the jessem clear stock guides it is a game changer in cut quality and consistency. They prevent kickback and pull the workpiece into the fence and I would highly recommend them to anyone with a job site style saw, or any tablesaw for that matter. Nice video Chris 🤙🏼
Assembly instructions were a little unclear for a couple of items. It works great ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxyFZUPFEey-PuqsPMxqaykBhgA1LWxFHh though, easy to set up and use. If the instructions were better I would have given it 5 stars.
I started woodworking is architecture school back in the 90's making scale models and furniture. The shop had a powermatic 66 table saw no riving knife. I use a shop made plywood track with skillsaw wormdrive as a track saw. I currently have an old bench top table saw. Don't get hung up on having the right tools or brand names. Use the tools you have and have fun making things.
The most important thing to keep in mind is that there are diminishing returns on both tool use and utility. Yes, you can get 20 different tools, but then you will only use every tool 1/20th of the time at best, making it harder to justify the investment in additional tools. That's the tool use part of the equation. Then there is utility: Even with a very basic tool setup, you will quickly approach the point where any function you could conceivably want your tools to perform can be done to some capacity, and purchasing additional tools won't give you any more utility, it will only allow you to be more efficient at doing the things you can already do. Yes, having to jump through hoops to do a certain thing might be annoying at times, but if you are only ever gonna do that thing once per month, maybe you are better off just improvising with the tools you have whenever the task comes up.
Of course, for a professional woodworker, you want every single task to be precise, quick, and repeatable, and that's where a wide suite of diverse tools comes in.
Loved your video. I purchased the ACS, and have been using it for over a year now instead of a circular or table saw. A few factors I considered that weren't mentioned involved past experiences with the kick back from a table saw and my lack of physical strength. The ACS is so easy to use for precision cuts, easy to control for safety purposes, and takes little strength to use all day long. I can't believe how so far I've never even thought about needing the other two saws. Note, however, that I usually have Home Depot make at least one of my cuts in a sheet of plywood so I can get it home and easily use it in my ACS.
What is ACS?
You are NOT an entitled snob. I learned a lot and I’m fortunate to have people like you to share the information and skills you have.
I'm new to the hobby and this is definitely one of the best videos I've watched so far. I wish I came across it first. You didn't come off as arrogant or entitled at all. It was very helpful and informative :-)
start with a 2nd hand contractor-style table saw. Cheaper, holds value, so you can sell when you're ready to upgrade
Make sure you know how to do maintenance prior to that. Be it true up a fence or blade, etc. Generally, you’re going to get something that was used n abused in this class.
Chris.I just wanna say thanks for all your quality content. I think everyone appreciates the time you put into your videos.
You are a born teacher with an honesty that is rare these days.
Cheers bro
When I first got into woodworking and my first project being a kitchen remodel, building all my own cabinets, I started with a track saw (Mafell). I love it and it covered all my needs until I needed to be able to make dozens of rips at the same 3/4" width. At that point I decided a table saw would be more efficient so I got the SawStop PCS. I also love it and now use it to make some of the cuts I used to only make with the track saw, but I don't use it for everything. Each has their strengths and I still use the track saw for a lot. Like he said in the video, sometimes you want to take the tool to the workpiece rather than the workpiece to the tool.
For long plywood cuts, was surprised how much I used the Kreg Rip-Cut with my Craftman Circular saw. Fast setup and great repeatibility. Having a good blade on there really stepped it up as well. Video made me rethink whats best for my home projects. Thanks.
Great post. I have a cabinet saw and a track saw, and if I could recommend only one, it would be as follows.
If you work primarily with sheet goods (plywood, MDF), a track saw with an attachment/jig for making square and repeatable cuts may be all that you ever need. I have a Festool and it's great, but the Kreg system looks pretty darn compelling.
If you do any significant work with dimensional lumber, get a table saw. An entry level job site saw is better suited for this kind of work than the most expensive track saw. When you do have to break down plywood, use a circular saw with an inexpensive straightedge or cutting jig.
I'm sure that others will disagree, and that's just fine. One of the more bewildering aspects of woodworking is that there are tons of ways to accomplish the same thing, and what works for me might drive you bananas. At the end of the day, most of us get to where we are through trial and (lots of) error.
All I have is a circular saw. And a nice straight piece of scrap metal. It's slow set up as mentioned in the video but hey don't we always measure twice and cut once.
When I move to my new house though I will have more space and look at saving for a portable table saw just for speed and space. As I will still use the circular saw and straight edge for sheets of ply etc. For me no real need for a track saw as or a big cabinet table saw. (I mostly just make stuff for the house/garden)
Btw Chris, don't worry you always come across very down to earth with your explanation you did good with your explanations. Keep it up.
Spencer4686 I have a circular saw and a contractor table saw and I find it’s the cheapest and best combination
When I was at that stage I didn't think to make spacer blocks for those repeat cuts. I just measured and made marks.
I used to rip 4x8 sheets on the table saw all day at one of my past jobs. Was very very challenging at first, but quickly learned how to do it safely and fast. But you need quite a big table saw with an outfeed table!
EXTREMELY informative. I don't have the space and saving up the money. Now I now which way I should be leaning towards. The thought of entitlement or arrogance never entered my mind. You've earned what you have and that's the bottom line. Plus how else are you going to be able to put out this type of content if you didn't go through it yourself. Huge thanks from me
Your advice has always been welcomed and many of my questions have been answered by just listening to you speak. I retired a little over 8 years and started a custom cabinet shop. It's always been tough to handle a 4 x 8 sheet of plywood on my cabinet saw. Once I saw you breaking down sheet lumber with a track saw, the little bulb in my brain lit up. Thanks for all your help, advice and sense of humor, Roy
One of the best things I purchased, was a sawguide for a japanese handsaw. It was about 50 bucks. And I know handsaws are stupidly slow, but it enabled me (as the first tool I had as a broke af student) to make absolute precise cuts (even all kind of beveled cuts) for very few money. but like I said it takes time.
When you get skilled with a handsaw, it becomes faster for many operations too. Not saying power tools don't require skill, they do, only that the dividend in finished cut quality improves much more when you get skilled with hand tools.
My father had a wooden miter box, probably hand made, that he used to put us kids to hand sawing tasks.
Where did you get your saw guide? I'm curious, and looking to get started in woodworking with hand tools myself. Thanks ;)
@@tbrown5657 I bought it here, but I´m sure this kind of guide is available in many other shops too. www.fine-tools.com/miter-sawguide.html
Scott M I agree. I carry a bag of hand tools as well as power... in the shop I also have hand tools. I often can cut quicker and with far less mess than using power tools
Taking your advice and leaving a comment. I gave away all of my Dewalt construction site tools to a young carpenter so he could start his own business. Now that I’m retired ... I’m starting from scratch. Building a little workshop and considering the Festool system for projects around the house. Glad to hear they are so well built and last a long time with zero issues. Thanks.
Great video and I know it's impossible to cover absolutely everything, but for my interests as a weekend warrior/hobbyist who generally wants to make practical stuff for the home, the surprising array of JIGS people invent for the table saw make it as close as you can get to the ultimate cutting tool. From circles to coves to dowels to splines to everything you demonstrated to Heaven knows what else, the table saw can be made to do a million different things that I have yet to see a track saw do. Okay, end of my 2 cents.
As a professional carpenter I would get a Makita tracksaw and a 14/12 Laguna bandsaw from the start. From there if you have the space you could acquire a good used cabinet saw and a circular saw of some sort. Either a professional Dewalt DW364K or a brushless 7 1/2". I like the Makita 18V system as it makes the most sense to me financially. I love the DW364K for framing roofs. With the track saw I would make a take down 5x9 foot table out of 3 pieces of plywood using the UJK Parf Guide System. This would allow you to break down large sheet easily and very accurately. You would also want to join the Festool Owners Group Forum to keep up to date with the latest 20mm accessories.
That's just my experience though. Some like the latest and greatest toys and like to spend money on neat gadgets. I wish I had a track saw 25 years ago as it has changed the way I work and it allows a very high degree of precision with less setup than a straight edge. This is another great option for those who like to build:benchworks.be/en/projects/mf-tc-multifunction-tool-cart/
This was really useful -- I was looking at getting a table saw plus a circular saw, but have limited space. Your video helped me realize I can do virtually everything I need to do with a track saw and a good set of guide rails, albeit a bit slower and with more fiddling around with clamps. Thanks!
FYI. There is actually a video from Brian on The Woodsmith Shop who says he just may prefer to not have a table saw in his shop and do everything with a track saw and router and miter saw. You might want to check it out. Kinda makes sense.
This is the best video for newbies who have no clue what saw to pick. Thank you!
You just come off as deeply knowledgeable and honest and that’s what I am looking for. Thanks
I love your impartial and informational explanations and your humility. You are not trying to persuade the viewer to come over to your side, just presenting the facts!
Coming across this video was perfect timing for me. I had found the Kreg track saw stuff and was very seriously thinking about getting the track. You have helped me confirm that I am definitely gonna be going that route seeing as how I have a circular saw already, and I am just not in the market right now for some of the other options. Thanks for making such an informative video!
These Kinds of Videos are invaluable to Folks like me. I am an Ironworker, 30 years. Woodworking and home DIY are my Hobby. What tools to spend money on is a great service to me, (besides your videos are awesome. ) Not only what tools bur all the things that can be done with basic tools. And I totally agree with you about getting the good tool as apposed to the low$$ tools. Thanks for what you do !!
Great video Chris. I started off with a circular saw, and after a couple of months got the Kreg track. This worked well for awhile, and then as I got into more detailed projects, I got a DeWalt job site saw, due to space and budget considerations. After having that for maybe the last two years, I find myself thinking about the professional cabinet saw - but the Kreg ACS also has some nice features. I guess I’m saying (for me) that tool selection has been a process based on experience level, what I need/want the tool to do, and what my budget is at the time. Thanks again for what you do and for sharing your thought process on buying tools.
I think it goes that way for a lot of people. It's also one of the reasons I think the ACS is worth consideration. Like I said in the video, If I had to pick one tool to be the center of my workshop, obviously a large cabinet saw would be number 1. But after that I'm pretty close to tied between the ACS and higher end Jobsite saws. That said, if in 2 years I know I'm going to end up with a cabinet saw...when that happens, my jobsite saw is going to become pretty much worthless, but the ACS I'd still use regardless of what table saw I have. So I think it actually has more long term value.
Great video, thanks man. I recently took the plunge and got a track saw despite advice to get a table saw, and after working with it a bit, admittedly I'm a novice, you do realize they are different and have their own advantages. Btw, one can't really survive with just one Phillips screwdriver, so don't beat yourself up about having two table saws. I've seen UA-cam channels that showcase pretty cool stuff, but you need a laser cutter and two back-to-back CNC's and the tail end of a Boeing 747, I appreciate you keeping it along the centre line, these are the tools you have and these are the advantages. For new buyers like myself there is value in what you do, and we appreciate it
Great breakdown and comparison video. I really didn't know how it was going to be since it was so far outside your typical Foureyes video content. Super good on-camera commentary too. A great resource for all of us that are upgrading and/or building out a shop.
Superb video Chris! I’m pretty particular as an engineer and former Gen Mgr at large company. You nailed everything from content, perspectives, presentation quality and honesty. Thank you. I just had 70 large trees harvested from my property for a variety of reasons and have 90 bd ft of high quality hardwoods to make a kitchen table, shelving, end tables, etc. the proper tools are my next investments.
You’re right on points out the track saw
Bought the dewalt cordless track saw and barely use it. But it’s a great tool when need it
Definitely not an entitled brat. Ive encountered many. You are a True Craftsman.
I am saving for a dewalt jobsite saw. No way I have the money or space to have a big table saw unfortunitly.
Love what you do. Started woodworkingcourse in september. Love it! Thanks for inspiring me
Not sure which DeWalt your saving for by I have one with a rack and pinion fence and it's brilliant, I was lucky and mine was 100% square out the box. I don't think you'll be disappointed
A Dewalt DW745. If I could get a Sawstop, I would but I live i Belgium. Festool has bought Sawstop and is developing one for Europe but will be much money I think. Launch in 2020...
Dewalt makes a pretty nice saw! But make sure it comes with a sturdy good quality fence. My saw (5 year old) doesn't have the best and its SO expensive to buy an aftermarket one
If you can save a bit more I would recommend dw7491, stronger, bigger rippingcapacity and a bit better all around.
@@alexaben6849 A jobsite table saw can get you far, I'm still using one until I have room for a real shop. But if you ever work with larger plywood you will want/need a circular saw to break things down to a manageable size!
So glad I found this video! I bought an old Craftsman belt drive table saw for $150. I love that it's much quieter than my first no-name brand from Lowe's but it's also missing the riving knife and safety items. It's also a huge piece of equipment that has a rail on the front that takes 3-4 inches of reach away from me. I'm only 5'3" so I built a platform so I had more downward pressure and easier to reach a little further past the blade. I think after having watched this so perfectly informative video, I'm going to get the project table so I can free up some space in my basement shop and hopefully find it much more manageable for me to work and feel safer when using it. I find my current table saw limits what I'll try because while I do work as safely as possible, I am very apprehensive to rip a 2x4, nevermind anything thicker than that. Anyway, I said way too much but I found your video to be helpful and was exactly what I needed to see right now.
I found it very useful to just make a track for my circular saw using a little plywood. while it's heavier than a bought track would be, and a little harder to store, it was also basically free since it was made with scrap plywood. I know John Heisz made a video on making one years ago for anyone interested in the idea.
Brother this is exactly the video I wanted to see. Nobody else has compared these options in this detail nor this fairly. Great advice. Thank you!
This is some good content - I genuinely learned that I need to spend my money on the ACS instead of a table saw. Thanks!
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Thanks Chris. No Apologies necessary. Professionals like yourself, commonly have multiples of similar tools. Your quality and level of workmanship always comes across very well.
Thank you...appreciate it. I just don't want people to think I'm not aware that it's a unique position...and that I'm not grateful to have it
I went through exactly this thought process. My requirements as a competent DIYer were:
- Reasonably priced
- Consistent accurate square cuts
- Safe (as I'm pretty clumsy..)
- foldaway/putaway as I only have a small area in garage to work (not a dedicated shop)
Already had a circular saw and had made a track/jig but just could not get the required accuracy. Table saw I ruled out for reasons of safety, space and also ability to cut large sheet material.
Ended up with a budget track saw (Titan) plus MFT table top (generic 3rd party) on some trestles and alu bench dogs from Benchdogs UK plus guide rail from Ooznest. I'm really happy with this combo and wish I'd found it years ago. Next upgrade would be to buy a longer track (Makita) as mine are 2 x 600mm which join together.
When i started woodworking with little to no tools, i used a jog saw to rough cut material. And then use the router with a pattern bit and a straight edge to clean up the cut. Especially usefull for people with little space and budget! Cheers
Excellent overview, and a lot of this especially raises good points for newer woodworkers. Good job. Obviously some decisions simply fall out of the answer to the question, "what are you going to be doing" with your saw. I think - unintentionally on the author's part - there may be some bias toward the use/need to rip a lot of sheet goods, thus there seems to be a lean toward the track saws. In my experience, there is nothing so basic, with considerable versatility, as a circular saw for cutting wood; it's not an either/or decision among a circular, track, or table saw.
To me, a track saw setup is the most specific/dedicated tool in the bunch. If doing long cuts and rips comprises most of your woodworking life, a track saw makes a lot of sense. But it is clearly the least adaptable to other uses - after all, using the "track" for rips is what you do with a track saw. But that is easily accomplished with a circular saw, straight edge, and a couple clamps, and the only real cost is the circular saw. Where the finish of the material you are cutting is of no concern, simple screw the straight edge onto the material you are cutting. I've done probably hundreds of straight-edge rips of long boards and sheet goods with my circular saw when I didn't have access to my table saw (or didn't own one!), or for cutting material down to more manageable size prior to final dimensioning on my table saw. But long before I could afford or had a proper space for a table saw, I was doing fine cutting with a circular saw.
And for crosscuts, I would find a track saw cumbersome and a hindrance. Better to hone one's skill with a circular saw which has tremendous versatility and portability for all sorts of applications.
Clearly, nothing beats a table saw's versatility, adaptability, repeatability, or accuracy, especially when one begins to adapt various jigs and accessories, homemade or bought, and really think outside the box. But - and cost and space considerations aside - I still wouldn't recommend a table saw for a "first tool," certainly not out of the three discussed here. Go with a good quality circular saw, and gain experience and develop skill with it.
Also, unless you operate in a jungle most of the time without access to AC power, I wouldn't consider a cordless saw. Batteries have to be charged sooner or later, they add weight to the tool, eventually they die and are expensive to replace, and at some point the manufacturer stops making the batteries and the tool is worthless. I've have two corded Bosch circular saws that I've had forever and still run like new. Over a longer period, I had two cordless drills that worked just fine, but had to be scrapped just because batteries were no longer available for them at any price.
I have many Makita 18V tools and therefore standardized on same. But I agree that some of the cheaper brands vanish and with them the batteries.
@@Huey52123 Wasn't referring to cheap brands
The info was very relevant and helpful. The only thing I'd say as a newbie is that at the beginning, I had a really bad accuracy with the cuts. So i got a jobsite table saw which I'd say really helped me keep going on without getting discouraged. For me a circular saw with a guide and a jobsite table saw has been working great as I'm short of space 😀
This is a great video and breakdown of the tools. For a beginner like me, this is very valuable. Thank you!
Awesome...glad you enjoyed and found it helpful :)
I started on job site table saw and had a hand saw. I upgraded to a cabinet table saw for several reasons but the main was the quality and accuracy of the fence. I have not yet upgraded to a SawStop but plan to because my hobby is becoming more of a business and for all the reasons Chris said, spending more hrs around the tool increases your risk to injury. If anyone is starting out I think there are really two essentials. Miter/chopsaw and table saw. Cheers!
I really like buying cheap/used tools when I'm trying something new. I make a few projects with them to recoup the costs then upgrade to nicer tools if I really like them.
So I disagree with the recommendation to save up and buy quality, because that has a higher up front cost for something you might not like. However, I understand that point of view and if it works for you don't let someone like me tell you it's wrong.
Alan James can’t agree with that. It took a lot of wasted money to learn the old saying, “buy once, cry once”.
@@mikemckenna4816 It's more wasted money to buy something you don't like or break because you haven't learned to use it. Additionally, the cost of cheap tools can be recouped with one or two jobs using those tools.
I’m not sure where you live but in Orange County used tools are not discounted nearly enough to justify buying used. So I guess if you’re looking to buy a quality used tool, they don’t depreciate much. At least around here.
@@handymadness I'm usually able to find quality used tools when people are moving. They come up on Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace occasionally. Most used tools aren't worth it.
Listen brother, don't apologize for your success. It proves your worth. its not entitlement. its obvious you work hard, you are skilled. an old engineer adage, "2 is 1, and 1 is none". back ups are important especially with your source of living. Great info. You actually gave a great perspective. thank you for helping me decide.
I haven't read all the previous comments (over 400) so I don't know whether anyone else has raised this. I think the safety aspect is very important and using a track saw is far safer than using a table saw. Even a saw stop does not guarantee your safety!
I’ll second that. My first cut with a table saw I launched a board across my shop at about 150 mph. If nothing else watch some safety videos and read the manual (used saw had no manual). No excuse for safety, these machines are all capable of making a 9 fingered carpenter, or worse.
Amazing info. I've been woodworking for about 5 years now. Started off with a Ryobi table saw. Quickly started getting into big projects around the house. That table saw went out on me quickly. Bought a Ridgid portable table saw cost a little bit more but lifetime warranty. Made an outfeed table(assembly table) for it. If I had the space I would definitely buy a cabinet saw. I guess like you said at the beginning it depends what your set up is.
Yup...never one good answer. Unless the answer is "just buy everything" :)
I was one person that asked you this question early on. I have since come to the conclusion that unless you are sticking to one very specialized making method some combination of two or three options is best. I’ve settled (over time and gradually acquiring tools) on a miter saw for quick cross cuts, track saw for long rip cuts, table saw for every thing else.
Now I watch the video. 😂
Yeah...that is kind of the truth and where it all leads if you get really serious and stay into it for a good amount of time. I should have made that the video. I just say "look...eventually you're going to buy them all, so just buy the best of everything now and be done with it" :)
Great video! An important factor in the acquisition of tools is whether the shop is a commercial operation or a hobbyist operation. A hobbyist may pamper and protect his tools like they are his children while a commercial shop may see a higher level of tool abuse which justifies (sometimes!) investing in cheaper [throw away tools]-drop your $200 Festool RO sander and bend the shaft and your OOL, drop your HFT RO sander, toss it in the trash and grab another. One more useless comment... woodworkers love to build stuff- a couple of shop-built track saw guides of different lengths are quick, versatile and cheap. Building a track guide shoe for your circular saw frees up not having to have a dedicated track saw, which are pricey. Over all, your video was a great review. Very intelligently put together and enjoyable to watch...subscribed.
15:51 Anything Looks like a pretty good deal compared to a festool...
I have.no woodworking experience and no space. I've been wanting to get started on some projects and in my mind's eye I envisioned a sturdy foldable table with opportunities to secure jigs and attachments, along with a track saw. I had no idea this thing existed. Love it. Now I just gotta save up and find a vendor. Thanks so much.
5:13 I thought he was about to jump in the trash can 🤣
Awesome video!
I went jobsite table saw first followed by a circular saw and a jigsaw. I then later got a track for my circular saw. With those I'm pretty much sorted for any project.
Great review and its like you say when you do it for a living you will have more tools. I have two table saws as well one for work and one for home.
Good review for someone just starting out
Great video, I think it’s accurate. My track saw will never replace my table saw. For home Reno & woodworking combined there isn’t a reasonable way to stick to a track saw… 15 amps of table saw does not compare to any other saw, not even close in my opinion. The power is easily doubled
I'd like to point out the Festool CMS system, which turns their track saw into a table saw
But double the cost of Kreg's system.
Todd Bart it would last a lot longer and accurately cut anything, the Kreg system is good but festool is top of the line
Dylan Thomas obviously you’re in love with Festool. However for the average hobbyist it’s just too expensive I wouldn’t even recommend the Craig system I would simply get a Skil saw and make a homemade tracksaw jig for it. as a matter of fact you can make a multitude of jigs that you could use with just your average skill saw to mimic most things you can do with table saw, track saw, miter saw. Of course the compound miter saw, well that’s a whole other story.
Also the Festool SYSTEM is more than just the track saw. It integrates dust control and expands in an integrated way as you build a system out.
Duane Miller did you not see me say the KREG system is good but Festool is top of the line. I use a Festool because I make furniture to sell, if you don’t sell furniture or cabinets there is no reason to buy such an expensive saw
Chris did a great job of representing peoples situation and the thought process of considering what might be a good fit for someone. This is a great review and verifies the reasons I picked up the Kreg Adaptive Cutting Station (ACS). I'm a hobbyist who didn't want to go all in on the space and cost of a Saw Stop, but I also wanted something accurate. I considered the Festool and ACS and like Chris said, the ACS came out as the better buy and the ACS is incredibly easy to setup and measure cuts. The plastic guides are disappointing, but they work. I've used the ACS to cut angles, bevels, panels and even long strips of veneer. If I ever get the point where I'm making repeat cuts or need even more accuracy, I'll get the cabinet saw, but for now it's a great choice.
That "some other factor", for many of us, is money.
muddylondon and space
No need to apologize for being successful.
Thanks for taking the time to produce such useful content.
I’ve been debating on going with the Festool track saw or the Kreg (for the price). And I think this video just made my mind up for me. I use a lot of Kreg accessories and they are great, I was just worried about how a power tool would perform.
Did you end up getting the Kreg? How are you liking it?
Really well done comparison with seasoned insight. I've been battling this decision for quite some time. I'm still using a 5-1/2" 18V Makita circular saw with Kreg square cut and Emerson clamping track (same track used with a Rockler router dado jig). I know, a first world dilemma, but I keep going back and forth between Sawstop contractor tablesaw-Kreg ACS-Makita tracksaw for a one-car garage space. This appreciated video has helped, and yet ....
1st time I've watched one of your videos. Great info and presentation. The fact that we totally agree on our thinking helps too. Looks like you have a new subscriber!
Hey- just wanted to say this was an excellent explainer video. This felt like just the right amount of information (not too brief, not too detailed), it was easy to follow and laid out the different options well. Thanks!
If you have limited space make your own style MFT style table and get a decent tracksaw
Exactly what I have done after a long search. No regrets at all. Doesn't take much room, quite affordable, for my DIY good enough. If you are making sigar boxes as a hobby, please look further
@@kleef465 "mft table" and "affordable" dont belong in the same sentence
Great video. You explained everything in a way anyone can understand and great comparisons. You don’t have to apologize for anything tho unless you did something wrong or unethical to get where you are and have the tools you have. A landscaper doesn’t apologize for having a mower, a riding mower, wheedwacker, and leaf blower and you shouldn’t either.
I don't understand why Kreg wouldn't make the track 84 inches. I would assume one of the big reasons you use a track saw is for breaking down a full sheet of plywood. Doesn't make much sense to me.
The tracks can attach, so you could make them infinitely long. Two of them together handles a full sheet of plywood. And I don't think I'd recommend that anybody buy more than two :)
I can not express how lucky you look to me. I am in the process of setting up my small woodworking shop and the first big tool i purchased was my table saw. This was a major purchase for me. I purchased a Kobalt job site table saw. Like I said this was a major purchase for me at $300. There was no way I could come close to affording a SawStop saw of any variety. Your 2 SawStops together cost almost half as much as my shop building. I do like the information you gave, but I do wish more of you in the woodworking UA-cam business catered to those of us that are just starting and have to work with a minimal budget.
Safety: feels like the ACS (and track saw) presents less blade to the operator. Less intimidating than an table saw for the newbie.
I also believe the ACS has an anti kickback feature which might appeal to newer woodworkers or people who are safety oriented.
This is precisely why I just kept looking at videos till I stumbled on this one. They're not just intimidating...they're dangerous. I am *not* a woodworker by any stretch, and I like my fingers and my body parts. I love tinkering with stuff, but at 47 and creaky already w/ 2 very young girls, I have honestly hesitated, as neat as table saws look. The ACS seems like the winner to me...I just feel that being on top of something instead of behind its crazy force aiming back at me is much more welcoming. Thanks so much for the video!
Excellent video. I am getting back into woodworking after a 20-year hiatus. I am establishing a new shop and have been considering my initial purchases to set up the garage workshop. I was considering the ACS track saw acquisition in advance of a table saw. Your feedback and rationale have eased the decision-making process.
First, I'd like to say this is a great video overall! You thoroughly explained in very real examples the pros and cons of these without getting too lost in words.
However, you earned my subscription in the last minute and a half. Props for owning up to the fact that the profession you have chosen kind of naturally comes with the perk of using very high quality tools on a regular basis. A spoiled brat definitely would not have taken the time to thank a sponsor in his own words, nor would he be aware of the fact that he might seem spoiled to others. I'll be tuning in to some of your other content soon.
To keep things on topic, I'm currently in the market for my first circular saw. I'm leaning toward the Milwaukee M18 line since I already own several other M18 tools. But after seeing this video and a couple others that highlight Kreg tools and accessories, I'm more curious about their offerings. The Accucut jig seems like a great budget addition to a circular saw as well.
This is the first time I've watched one of Chris's videos and I was quite impressed. It was informative and easy to follow. As a retired cabinet maker and shop teacher (my woodworking career started as an apprentice cabinetmaker in 1971), I've been downsizing my shop tools and equipment. Even with almost 50 years in the woodworking business it is important for me to do my research to find out what's new in the industry - especially when it comes to safety, what equipment is the most reliable, the most accurate, and the most cost effective for my particular situation. I couldn't agree more with the ending comments of this video - Buy as much quality as you can afford up front - you won't regret it. I did want to add one comment regarding multiple or redundant pieces of equipment. If you are only doing this as a casual hobby, then yes, you probably only need stationary saw (table saw), one router table etc. But, if you are seriously into woodworking and plan on making any money at it, then well planned duplicates or multiples of certain machines will be a godsend. You can leave tools and equipment set-up to do processes that you repeat often. I always kept a jointer set-up to "bump" the corners of fixed, open shelves the were dadoed into the cabinet sides and partitions. Every operation involved in making drawers was permanately set- up on the required shapers or router tables. Almost every project ends up needing at. least some drawers. If I had to set -up to make just one or two drawers, I'd loose money on each one. By being able to just walk over to the necessary machines that are already set up, you can make a drawer in a matter of minutes., whether it's dovetailed, lock joint or whatever. My point is, You don't have to make excuses to anybody for being efficient and safe. I know this is an older video Chris, so keep them coming, they're great! I'll be back.
Thanks Chris, good advice with Pro’s and Con’s on each particular cutting device. 👍🏻
Im a weekend wood worker. Mostly working on some home improvement projects. I started off with a Makita circ saw then just added a kreg accu cut after a year. I was aiming for accuracy and speed. One thing I learned is that, the accu cut needs a lot of tests before you can get the accuracy that you want.
Having had experience owning festool track saw and MFT3 table I can say I wasn’t impressed. It was a very expensive setup and worked well for what it was. Some things about the Kreg setup looks better than the festool. The price tag for starters. The table size looks more appropriate. it has wheels! ( MFT is really heavy and should have had wheels). I couldn’t do everything I wanted without buying more fancy dodads and the Kreg accessories are far more affordable.
The Kreg setup looks like a nice option
I now own a contractor table saw (not to be confused with a job site table saw), circular saw and a cheap track saw. I would skip the track saw if you are thinking of going really cheap. Also highly recommend cordless for the circular saw. Not really for the track saw if you plan on using a vacuum hooked to the saw.
well said. I've never tried the MFT, so I avoided commenting on it. Really the only comparison I can say is that the price difference is pretty large. I guess the wheels too. That's not really subjective :)
I own the Makita corded track saw and wish I had bought the cordless version. Simply because dragging both a vacuum hose and a power cable across the track/table has ruined more than one cut. I own a Ryobi cordless circular saw and love it. Small, lightweight, and cuts through what I need it for including 4x8 3/4 plywood easily. One other note is to buy the best blades you can afford. I run Diablo on all my saws and get very good to perfect cuts, even on the Ryobi.
I like the humility and honesty of this guy. It's true people don't need two table saws and whole load of fanciful tools
I have a mid-range circular saw and it can't cut a straight line to save it's life. I can't understand how people make due with something like that if they need to build anything that requires precision.
Mads Feierskov totally agree. I ditched mine as soon as I could for a track saw.
I have a somewhat cheap circular saw and I keep getting impressed of how accurate I can make a cut even just freehanding it. I think I never got more than 2mm off and I can see myself improving with practice. I bought a track saw attachment but seem to get as close to the right dimensions as freehanding it. In any case I'll eventually get a table saw for the added precision and faster workflow.
Circular saws should be able to cut (almost) perfectly straight lines if you use a guide. Once I started using a guide (MDF board clamped over the piece-under-cut) the straight-line issue was solved. I couldn't make a decent cut when following a line, though. For me, it's the tear-out that took me away from circular saws.
My issue was that the saw wouldn’t stay at a perfect 90.
@@lcsquared8937 oh, yes -- I struggled with that too. I had to adjust it a little, and I stopped leaning on it. Now my angles are better, but I typically use that saw only as a last resort.
Great video. And you don't need to apologize or add disclaimers for every observation, opinion or comment. This is the best tool overview video I've watched since starting woodworking 2 years ago. Wish I found you sooner! Thank you 🙌
Great content as always Chris, thanks for sharing your insights as it’s going to be very useful for me. I have been saving for a while for a pro table saw, I have a circular saw and have made jigs and squares over the years but as you elude to the fact it just takes time. I have the space so thanks for the advice, I’m gonna wait it out! Thanks man 👍
Excellent video Chris. Really appreciate the breakdown on all the different aspects of each tool. One of your best comments and the thing everyone should know by now is what you said about the quality of the tool. If you have done the research and know what you want do not go cheap. In the end you will regret it. And no, you are not a brat, so you know
It's a saw subject. I expect lots of cutting remarks.
No
@@aaronporter2180 You're just too rough cut for PageMonster's humor.
Great study and video thanks. In conclusion, IMHO for the average DIYer with space limitations, go for the circular saw or track saw dependent on your budget. Stick to pocket hole joinery to avoid needing an assembly table. Stick to timber merchant planed wood and construction plywood. This should enable you to construct any built-in furniture in you house and some outdoor projects.
If you’re into a medium-sized wood workshop for more complex jobs, buy a table saw.
If you are into fine woodworking and have access to inexpensive lumber like oak, buy all the above and add thicknesses planers, bandsaws etc
90% of DIYers fit into the first category
"Scrap wood - link in description" I lol'd, then went to the description just to see that they're not there. That would be hilarious if you were actually selling scrap wood through an ecommerce site.....
Great video Chris. I started with a hand me down radial arm saw from my dad. My first major purchase was a sliding miter saw and then a delta table saw. In hindsight I should have waited and just purchased a better table saw and a track saw - both of which are on my wishlist now. So I think your points are spot on. Thanks for making such a thoughtful and well informed video. Keep up the great work!
Darn, this reminds me; I need to put a new blade on my bandsaw ....
I was frustrated trying to make accurate cuts with a circular saw and a straight edge for sheet goods primarily. I have a table saw (old Craftsman contractor saw) but, as stated in the video, its difficult or almost impossible to break down sheet goods safely on a table saw. I recently bought a Makita track saw and am loving it. I still use my table saw for most cuts but breaking down sheet goods just got way easier and more enjoyable.
Q: Table Saw vs Track Saw vs Circular Saw! Which Should You Buy?
A: Yes
haha...all of them eventually. But in what order?????
@@Foureyes.Furniture that depends on how much you have and what you want to do. Or it could come down to availability. I bought a table saw for $20. But they don't show up at that price every day. Last week I bought a worm drive circular saw because they only wanted $10 for it. I already have a pile of circular saws but I didn't have a worm drive one yet so why not?
Awesome video thanks. I have jobsite saw and this helped me discover I need a track saw. Like a Festool. I don’t gave the cash for a cabinet saw. I mainly need a track saw for breaking down large ply and cut table tops. I have no circular saw. It broke so I think a track saw will help get accurate cuts with bulky items. The table saw only has a cap. Of 28”. Sucks but eventually I’ll get a big cabinet in a year or too. Thanks again!
I am new to woodworking and found this close to how things went for me over the last two years. Originally I purchased a circular saw years ago. Two years ago I purchased a Bosch 4100 site saw. Honestly I found it intimidating. Not from cuts but kickback as I am on blood thinners. I recently purchased the Kreg system and really enjoy the safety features. I am keeping the Bosch for small work with a sled.