First Test of the 2" Agri Papa Pump
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- Опубліковано 23 жов 2021
- I reached out to Papa Pump and they sent one of the Agri pumps to test out. This is a redesigned Ram Pump that eliminates the metal waste valve and delivery valve. It does this by using rubber O rings and a special shaped inner channel. The pump is 2 inch so it uses a good bit of water to operate. Cold weather is here and nights are getting down to freezing. I will be installing this pump as recommended in the spring. For this video I do a quick install to see the pump cycle. Be sure to subscribe to be updated on the actual install.
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WHERE IS THE UPDATE VIDEO? Should be in the description notes by now?
This is too cool, thank you for sharing and I'm looking forward to the install video in the spring.
Those water intake filters appear to be ingenious for keeping organic debris and gravel out of the supply line, though you definitely need some sort of settlement tank to reduce silt.
Thank you for making this video! I'm currently setting up my new papa pump and I have similar situation. It's nice to see how well it works even without completely following the directions. Lol. I using a barrel as my catchment tank and feed tank using both filters inline. I have 25gpm and 40ft of head so I'm hopeful that I can water my garden soon without hauling water.
Hi Seth,
Great initial video, for supply heads under 2 meters we have a thinner main valve that will allow the pump to work so do let us know if you'd like once sent out!
The pipe splitting does illustrate that need for a solid pipe ;)
looking forward to more of your videos!
I would! My property backs up to st Joseph river I want to ram pump using the river pressure up to near my house to a holding tank then a smaller line to go down to a micro hydro power generator
@@moorechez67 Wow these pieces of plastic are expensive. I have year round flowing spring on my property. So I was thinking about making The Breurram pump or my own version of the bunyip. Now I'm kinda leaning towards buying a Vodní trkač a from Czechoslovakia for a few hundred. depending on shipping cost.They are cast iron pump kinda like old school farm pumps you use to see. Then shipping here or close to hear, a FTZ(Foreign-Trade Zones) since they are everywhere in the US if you google locations (they can be close to amazon warehouses). Or get a 3d printer for 200-300$ And see what I can do with that.
Edit: You might like The $50 Water Turbine -Build Tutorial.
Very interesting indeed. Can't wait.:)
Very cool !
Nice one dude!
been watching your videos, more power😉
"Ok Darling, i know want for Christmas!"
I love this video, and then, i love my ram pump,,,:)😁
I love it
Dang I want one!!
I can tell it will move a lot of water!
that looks like a serious pump
Try putting a vertical stand pipe a pipe length away from the pump and two feet taller than the water source. Leave the top of the stand pipe vented and it should allow any air bubbles easily escape, and reduce the amount of water hammer by giving it a place to go closer to the pump without reducing the head pressure.
You WANT the water hammer effect. It's what makes the RAM pump work in the first place. The water that the waste valve lets past is so the water in the drive pipe can get sufficient momentum to cause a nice water hammer effect when the valve closes. The resulting pressure spike will then force water past the check valve to actually pump some water. That's why for maximum efficiency, you want several things.
1. Have the pump rigidly mounted.
2. Have the drive pipe as straight and rigid as possible (a steel, or copper pipe would be better than PVC).
In a nutshell, you don't want any movement or flex that will dissipate energy that would otherwise go towards pumping water.
@@johncochran8497 Exactly.
Is it available in India
PAPA!!! Love it dude!
These pumps are costly but seem to work really well. Lots more testing to come.
Can you piping off of the wast valve with a head? On either of the pumps?
Hello Seth From Wyld Creek Water Gardens
DAMN, for 5-7' drop of head pressure, that looks like alot of water.
I’m 16 seconds into the video. Seth you are very excited to present the Papa Pump. I know this will be a good video! lol
Are the plumbing interfaces on this pump BSP or NPT threads? If the threads need to be converted this can be a significant cost - especially for the 2 inch side.
All US kits come with BSP to NPT adaptors
@@Waterpoweredtechnologiesyou never need to buy fittings except for your first one make sure it’s brass heat up the PVC pipe with a heat gun or air blower dryer and screw the brass fitting onto the pipe. Make sure the threads are lubricated on the brass. cool a little bit unscrew the brass Wala you have new threads of whatever kind you want.
Saludos saludos ..
you gotta test the 'Venturo' ram pump next lol the worlds largest ram pump, apparently.
Bit too large for Seth's set up lol
Parabéns
Can you help me the link to buy sarah disc filter
so your intake source always has to be higher than the pump itself?
Neat
Hi,
I find your videos very informative. I am confused on how are ram pumps named. Like when we say a 3/4 inch ram does it literally mean the size of the pipe forming the ram or does it mean its drive pipe size? Many thanks.
crazy ram pump . looks like if you had more drive and a better way of holding that beast down it would really move some water . might be a good pump to try off the dam . besides we all like seeing the dam and the water generator . hint hint . lol . hoe all is well with you brother and are getting easier for ou as well . many blessings your way .
Interesting. How does it function differently from your pump?
Our Pumps use an inline Venturi valve to operate instead of the traditional method :)
Seth's pumps rely on gravity to get the waste valve to fall back open after each hit, these use a rubber waste valve that bends/flexes to close and 'relaxes' back open after each hit. Some clever engineering in shaping the water flow past the waste valve makes it a lot more efficient.
Does the inlet have to be higher than the pump or can it be even with it if the flow/velocity of thr stream is high?
Ram pumps always require a supply head
I enjoyed your video thank you. question I have a pond it is 10 ft away from my orchard trees on level ground. I want to take the water from the pond to the orchard ,the ground is level if I were to dig a hole deep enough to put the ram pump below the pond level would it be able to pump so that I could use a hose to water my orchard?
Sadly digging a hole and placing the ram pump in that hole does not have the same effect as head pressure. The hole will fill up with water quickly and the pump will stop.
What is the max head pressure for Papa Pump?
For the composite pumps we say 120m however anything over 100m we recommend our metal version - stainless steel and bronze body - these can reach 150m and upwards with some system adjustment
Any updates?
We just had 12" of snow. Lots more videos on this pump in the spring.
Awesome can't wait to see it! Thank you
Is there a diaphragm in the pressure tank? If so, it needs to be pressurized.
Yes there is a diaphragm and the pressure needs to be set properly in the pressure vessel. I have one of these pumps.
If I'm interested and I'm in Namibia, how do I get this pump and at price as well?
Like number 300 !
Thank you for watching. I will film a much better install in the spring when ram pump season starts back up here.
You can use screw to hold pipes together temporarily.
Mantab 🙏🙏🙏👍,,,
I live in Vietnam, May you help me?
Looks good,do they ship it worldwide?
Yes! :)
@@Waterpoweredtechnologies You guys are on point. At least on the promotional end hopefully the customer support and shipping procedures are the same. I'll keep you in mind when my pond systems fill next spring.
@@cavelvlan25 Thanks! We're a very small company and we all cover a bit of everything so hopefully we'll live up to your expectations 😁
Damit I had that idea for years and just haven't built it
hi. as i have been saying, flow rate equals water volume (per sec.)
no matter how much pressure you can achieve, the Amount of water that CAN be pumped is Equal to 1/10 of the source flow/volume. that ratio can be applied to the known/estimated source flow rate; in order to calculate the Maximum amount of water that CAN be pumped/raised. my comments have been based on an apparently very low inflow rate; into the intake catchment. i suspect that the source is a spring. d
Nope. Nope. Nope. The water you can pump has a potential energy approximately 60% to 80% of the potential energy of the water supplied (e.g. A typical ram pump has an efficiency of between 60 to 80 percent). How much potential energy does the water have you might ask. That's based upon the amount of water, force of gravity, and available head. So E = HMG where H = height, M = Mass, and G = gravitational acceleration. So
Mpumped * Hpumped * G = 0.6 * Msource * Hsource * G
Since G is the same on both sides, we can eliminate it, getting
Mpumped * Hpumped = 0.6 * Msource * Hsource.
So assuming a 3 foot head and you want to pump to 15 feet, we get
Mpumped * 15 = 0.6 * Msource * 3
Divide both sides by 15 and we get
Mpumped = 0.6 * Msource * 3/15 = 0.12 * Msource
For the above example, we do get something around 1/10th, but that's because we're going close to the limit of the pump. If the source head is increased, but the desired destination remains the same, then a higher percentage of the water would be pumped.
I'm assuming an efficiency of close to 60% because the pumps the gentleman in the video produces have a lot of flexibility in the drive pump and the mounting isn't exactly the most rigid, so the efficiency would be rather low.
What's the price and Delivery to Nagpur India please !!
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My sifhon pulls water down to a 50 gallon barell and i put my pump in it lol
I am looking for about your product place lace me a message.When I post this, I am looking for more no this .
How build put all together much water it will put out. Can find how build one
How much is the cost
$995 USD
Watched all you videos ,I need to run water 100 m at hight 2m what size ram pump do I need and what size hoses do I need for intake and output, please help, thanks 🙏🙏 in advance, I'm in Europe, Balkan poor country
Hello. Each size pump can move water 100m and lift 2m. The pump size difference determines the amount of water needed to operate the pump and the amount of water you can expect at the top.
@@LandtoHouse I have a bigger stream so It won't be problem 3/4 or a 1 col I guess
@@LandtoHouse thanks a lot for answering
The 3/4" needs 4gpm and the 1" needs 6gpm to operate.
@@LandtoHouse bravo for the channel and for saving the planet with all these projects that save electricity ,ty
Seems nice for watering a large herd on a mountain top lol
I have to ask. could you not get the head pressure you need by setting a 55gal tank next to the pump and start a syphon drain fill from the tank into the ram. I believe a 50galweighs 416lbs that could out fall from the bottom via 3inch into ram. idk I kinda wanna try it
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so, at 5:10, i'm thinking, a ram pump can normally move one-tenth of the supply volume.
what is the Nominal INFLOW rate, at the upstream side of the intake catchment.
that's yer FLOW rate. DIVIDE by Ten.
Hi David,
Depending on Supply head and delivery head our pumps are capable of pumping up to 30% of the water input
Seth's other tests of his ram pumps measured a 1/7th of the water through the drive pipe goes to the delivery, 6/7ths out the waste valve.
at 7:40, doing that will NOT increase the flow rate.
Hi David,
He's not looking to increase the flow rate, just the supply head. The flow rate is determined by the water source.
@@Waterpoweredtechnologies see my other response
Next video try to do a proper install
Yes thats the plan. A proper install will need much more time and effort. I do plan on installing the papa pump so that I can compare it to the normal ram pump.
Just seen the price....$1,800! $2,300+ to ship to my farm in the UK. That's rediculously overpriced, so I'll stick to building my own.
Hello Niall,
We are based in the UK so you can order directly from us! Until the 12th we also have a 26% Discount on for Cop26
Current updated pricing is:
Papa Pump (potable use) £1,350
Agri Papa Pump* featured above (non potable use) £995
Dude I love it! You took all the air out of the sales of that company!
They claim that it's a self-priming self-starting version of a ram pump, but you got it to not work the first dozen times you tried it LOL.
They also claim that the benefit of a Papa pump over a ram pump is it doesn't need expensive valves replaced.. so your ram pumps cost $180 and this ram pump costs $1,800.
But I'm glad you don't have to replace any valves on a pop-up pump because that could get expensive you would only have to build 10 of your round pumps to equal the exact cost LOL you could literally have ram pumps for you and all your neighbors for the price of one Papa pump
Hi Justin,
Non of our claims are false and Seth's fantastic video just shows the importance correct and planned set up. Even in Seth's temporary solution the pump was not primes and did start itself.
This model is also only $995 USD and is designed to be a long term solution for those that don't want to build their own or want something larger than Seth's own excellent models.
Omg how many videos are you going to make rigging things up
Heck yea. Now pull that pressure tank off it and jack up the pressure on it with the blaster tank and experiment with your pump
Please don't assume that my comments concerning your installation are meant to be negative or anything except of the most helpful kind. I will soon be 79 years of age and have been involved in much too many such projects that have built within my library in my head knowledge and experience that provides some of the pitfalls that I observe that can make the projects seem difficult at the very least. Some of the pitfalls that can be avoided are. Getting in too big a hurry and failure to follow instructions, both those written and those of just common sense. One such pitfalls is not taking enough time to plan the installation and how the piping is to be secured. One such installation, I recall that caused a huge amount of time and cost an arm and leg, was the installation of a sewer line of about 200 ft. The "job" was not a job except to provide some assistance and to dig the excavation. I instructional the owner that the line required gravel and backfill before being left for the night. Only the joints were to be left visible. However, it did rain during the night as was forecast. In the morning, all pipe was in a pile at the end of the line. This was a very expensive Booboo. Unfortunately this is setting that could have been avoided. It gave me no pleasure for his difficulty
Please forgive the sloppy texting, I'm not the best keyboarder in the west. Also, please accept these comments in the attitude with which they are offered. I am a farm kind of person and enjoyed the "off grid" use of the power that God gave us to use!
you sound young sir
Just make that work and make new video
Your visuals are weak at best.
No pressure gauge and how much equipment do you have that have tires with air in them?
I guess superior engineering does not equal idiot proof.
Your comments are rude. An actual install will be on the channel soon.
@@LandtoHouse I don't mean to be rude. It's just your video seemed to be setting the Papa Pump up for failure.
Ah. The pump is going to work well once I do a proper install. The nights were dropping well below freezing when I made this video and I did not want to have anything freeze. Now its time for a full install.
When are you going to do a video where you don't hack the install?
Soon.
I think you make sure that things are incomplete as a way of click bait Have a habit of forgetting something or stay tuned. So frustrating now ... think you pretend to be naive
FIRST!!
Good Daym Seth, This Papa pump also works 4" under water, like your Ram pump ?? Thanks
As long as the intake is higher up it will work, but at reduced efficiency so we wouldn't recommend it.
at 10:20, that is all STORED water coming out. this (larger) pump is gonna need more water, than you have.!
HI David
Seth actually has a good flow rate and our pumps can operate on flows from 20l/m with the standard valve.
@@Waterpoweredtechnologies ha-ha. 20l/m is .33 liters per second. based on what is shown, the inflow rate, into the catchment, is about .25 lps. amount of water, Pump-able, .025 lps. maximum.
conclusion: a LOT of pump is being used where a minute amount of water is Available.
i would be interested in links to sources of useful ram pump design information. d
This guy is so frustrating with his half ass job
Flow rate is not enough
So in other words it’s sh!t
Bad video!
Not successful
it's proper name is "Ramp pump" you can build a better one your self with cheap stuff.
I have over 130 videos on the Hydraulic Ram Pump on the channel. In the spring I will be running some more tests on the papa pump.
Why not do the trail test on your own and make a video after you have understood how it works? You are wasting peoples time and makes an unprofessional impression on the viewers. Just saying.
My channel has always been based on real life testing. Not polished "TV" style content. A full install will come out when the weather is warmer.
Seth's videos are great because they show the reality of setting up these pumps. If you want to understand they 'how' and 'why', then stick with Seth's videos. When I bought our ram pump I played around with it just like Seth. It's a good thing I did too because I learned a lot and avoided a permanent installation that I would have had to redo later.
Exactly. I could test install before filming but it would not be as entertaining to always show perfect installations.
@@LandtoHouse I think It would be more interesting if you would be more familiar what you want to introduce for us. There are no working, planned concepts in the last few videos. As Da Honey says I got an unprofessional impression about your work in these days, however everybody knows that is not true. It is enough to think for your earlier work with a working ram pump for the constantly upgraded generator or the solar panel installation or inverter/battery systems. Obviously english is not my mother tongue, but I hope I could explain my toughts as I wanted to do.
I definitely understand. I only work one day a week on UA-cam filming 3 videos in a day. I pay someone to watch my kids so I can work. This current season of life as a single stay-at-home dad reading over 200 pages of documents for divorce court... I'm just trying to get some video content out. Hopefully soon when my life settles down into a routine I can focus on doing a better job at video creation