Im a blues player I grew up in south florida im aware of Hispanics and the different cultures its crazy how some things are so similar... Even merengue has a high intense energy like rock and roll and metal can have... Just my opinion... Iv grown to love this type of music its great
So basically, it starts in Africa, and then to some of the Caribbean Islands, especially Cuba and maybe Puerto Rico. Then later on, Colombia. From Cuba particularly, the music transferred to New York (USA), and later on, Puerto Rico (remember Hector Lavoe) sent its music also to New York, and then Fania Records in New York was established - and that was, in my two bits, how salsa music was born.
In my two bits, the salsa song, "Cali Pachanguero" of Grupo Niche at one time became the official anthem of Colombian salsa. Later on, Orquesta Guayacan's "Oiga, Mire, Vea" almost trumped that as the new salsa anthem for Colombians. Cali, Barranquilla, and Medellin were Colombian towns that hosted "pachangas", and created salsa artists there, I guess.
You guys are full of shit. Cuban music was stolen as labeled as salsa by US impresarios after Cuba became isolated from the rest of the Western Hemisphere.
Salsagoals made a great video. A lot of salsa music from the biggest salsa bands did take a lot of Cuban music and not give them credit for it though. I’m making a list of the top 1000 salsa songs that Puerto Rican and other groups played and didn’t tell their fans were covers of cuban songs.
Growing up with salsa music, I've always been told salsa was created in New York city by some Jewish guy who combined popular Latin music with jazz and afro beats... I have no idea if any of this is true, but that's what I grew up hearing.
Thanks for the comment, and I've heard that before also. They may be referring to the late Larry Harlow, a famous Jewish-American musician nicknamed "El Judio Maravilloso". If that was who they were referring to, Larry Harlow is a Fania Records legend! He made tremendous contributions to the development of Salsa music in the U.S., but he did not create the music himself.
The Word “Fania” came from Cuba. It was a popular luncheonette frequented by musicians in Havana, Cuba that Jerry Masucci (Cofounder of Fania Records) frequented when he worked for a public relations firm there during the pre-Castro era. Gerald "Jerry" Masucci was a New York Lawyer. By knowing law, he came up with the idea of stealing Cuban Music, taking credit and make millions of dollars because he couldn’t be sued by Cuban artists due to the Cuban Embargo which is still in place to this day. The Fania Record label has the most stolen music in the history of any record label and has never faced any consequences for it.
@@EchaleSalsita-ez2ss @EchaleSalsita-ez2ss Thanks for the comment and for pointing that out. Part 2 of this video series discusses a little about the impact that the embargo had on the development of this musical "style" in the U.S. The musical style of the Cuban rhythms (Mambo, Son-Montuno,etc) wasn't stolen because it was already popular and was being played by Cuban musicians in the U.S before the embargo happened. In fact, the Cuban musical scene and the U.S musical scenes were connected and collaborating as mentioned in the video. However, the problem as you pointed out was that, at least during much of the first decade or so after the embargo, many specific Cuban songs were basically copied and remade into "Salsa" versions with no credit given to the true Cuban authors. As I understand it, the album credits usually just said "Derechos Reservados". And this happened a lot. I can understand how many Cuban music-lovers feel that this was wrong and was stealing. But also, to me, this situation showed how important Cuba was as the source of this style of music in the U.S. prior to 1959. It also shows me how the embargo dramatically changed the musical landscape and led to a lot of situations. So when Cuba was taken out of the picture due to the embargo, some of these "Salsa" musicians in the U.S & Puerto Rico suddenly lacked a source of new music. Some also unfortunately took advantage of the situation and saw a way to make money off of someone else's musical catalog. Regardless, since the source and inspiration for these very popular styles of Cuban music wasn't available anymore, many musicians apparently resorted to remaking older Cuban songs. As I see it, the Cuban embargo is the catalyst for all this because it had a major impact on the situation. It also created a huge dilemma for many musicians. Unfortunately, the way some of them tried to resolve that dilemma has caused more controversy and resentment.
Great job on explaining what is and how salsa music developed. Let me present my perspective from a 66 years old Puerto Rican that rise together with the salsa music development. What I called salsa was develop in New York City by the end of the 60s and beginning of the 70s being the more important precursor Fania records. No doubt the base of salsa were rhythms from the Caribbean mostly from Cuba and mainly played by Puerto Rican musicians from el barrio. What distinguishes salsa from traditional Caribbean rhythms is the way they are played. Salsa is played more aggressively as a way of expressing the sentiment of the Latin community in the area at the time. The winds tend to sound irreverent, solos or inspirations were longer and borrowing expressions from jazz music, for example when you hear a son from a salsa band like Ray Barretto vs a traditional son played by Ignacio Piñeiro the feeling you get is different. In my opinion although salsa isn't a rhythm it use is completely justified because it's purpose was twofold, it was an umbrella under which Caribbean rhythms were presented as united for not latin people to understand and also a way to interpret those rhythm.
The "mezcla" is in the polyphonic rhythms. Bass tumbao, son clave, bata and other rhythms from the timbales/congas/bongos, keyboard montunos. Afro-Cuban rhythm elements + jazz. This musical mixture = salsa.
It’s Cuban music and because of the blockade polo licans dumb down cuban rhythms and due to ignorance of the the music and religious ties renamed it They also renamed the instruments. Many Polo licans lifted hundreds of Cuban songs and renamed as well and or changed the lyrics. Its the only musical genre this has happened too. Imagine the outrage if it had happened to Portuguese Fado , the blues Samba or American bebop jazz el Son rumba Danzón Mambo Nueva trova Son montuno Bolero Latin jazz Afro-Cuban jazz Guajira Songo Cha-cha-cha Mozambique Rumba Yuka Timba Pachanga Filin Criolla Pilón Guaracha Charanga Trova Punto guajiro Contradanza Changüí Guaguancó Cha-cha-cha Rhumba Mambo Conga Cubaton Habanera Montuno Descarga Tumba francesa Zapateado Mambo Conjunto Pregón Abwe Tahona
Thanks for the comment, and you are correct about the South American country spelled "Colombia". However, Cuban Rumba is a musical style that has 3 rhythmic forms, and none of those rhythms have anything to do with Colombia the country. One of those forms of Cuban Rumba is called "Columbia". That's how it is spelled . Colombia the country is great, but it is something completely different. Here is a video of Rumba Columbia: ua-cam.com/video/UammPLtG-sE/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
That's true! I'm referring to the beginning of the "Mambo" dance craze in NYC which was first and which became popular at the Palladium Ballroom around 1948. Then, the Chachacha dance craze and the Pachanga dance craze came along afterwards.
Im a blues player I grew up in south florida im aware of Hispanics and the different cultures its crazy how some things are so similar... Even merengue has a high intense energy like rock and roll and metal can have... Just my opinion... Iv grown to love this type of music its great
So basically, it starts in Africa, and then to some of the Caribbean Islands, especially Cuba and maybe Puerto Rico. Then later on, Colombia. From Cuba particularly, the music transferred to New York (USA), and later on, Puerto Rico (remember Hector Lavoe) sent its music also to New York, and then Fania Records in New York was established - and that was, in my two bits, how salsa music was born.
In my two bits, the salsa song, "Cali Pachanguero" of Grupo Niche at one time became the official anthem of Colombian salsa. Later on, Orquesta Guayacan's "Oiga, Mire, Vea" almost trumped that as the new salsa anthem for Colombians. Cali, Barranquilla, and Medellin were Colombian towns that hosted "pachangas", and created salsa artists there, I guess.
All music is from Africa
You guys are full of shit. Cuban music was stolen as labeled as salsa by US impresarios after Cuba became isolated from the rest of the Western Hemisphere.
AFRICANS CREATED ALL OF MUSIC.. THE ORIGINATORS.. JUST LIKE DACNE
@@landmark22did Africa create pianos, guitars, lyres, harps, violins, organs, trumpets, flutes, saxophones, accordions, clarinets?
Salsagoals made a great video. A lot of salsa music from the biggest salsa bands did take a lot of Cuban music and not give them credit for it though. I’m making a list of the top 1000 salsa songs that Puerto Rican and other groups played and didn’t tell their fans were covers of cuban songs.
Great video! Can't wait for the next one.
Thanks for your comment! I'm glad you liked it!
Growing up with salsa music, I've always been told salsa was created in New York city by some Jewish guy who combined popular Latin music with jazz and afro beats... I have no idea if any of this is true, but that's what I grew up hearing.
Thanks for the comment, and I've heard that before also. They may be referring to the late Larry Harlow, a famous Jewish-American musician nicknamed "El Judio Maravilloso". If that was who they were referring to, Larry Harlow is a Fania Records legend! He made tremendous contributions to the development of Salsa music in the U.S., but he did not create the music himself.
The Word “Fania” came from Cuba. It was a popular luncheonette frequented by musicians in Havana, Cuba that Jerry Masucci (Cofounder of Fania Records) frequented when he worked for a public relations firm there during the pre-Castro era.
Gerald "Jerry" Masucci was a New York Lawyer. By knowing law, he came up with the idea of stealing Cuban Music, taking credit and make millions of dollars because he couldn’t be sued by Cuban artists due to the Cuban Embargo which is still in place to this day. The Fania Record label has the most stolen music in the history of any record label and has never faced any consequences for it.
@@EchaleSalsita-ez2ss @EchaleSalsita-ez2ss Thanks for the comment and for pointing that out. Part 2 of this video series discusses a little about the impact that the embargo had on the development of this musical "style" in the U.S. The musical style of the Cuban rhythms (Mambo, Son-Montuno,etc) wasn't stolen because it was already popular and was being played by Cuban musicians in the U.S before the embargo happened. In fact, the Cuban musical scene and the U.S musical scenes were connected and collaborating as mentioned in the video.
However, the problem as you pointed out was that, at least during much of the first decade or so after the embargo, many specific Cuban songs were basically copied and remade into "Salsa" versions with no credit given to the true Cuban authors. As I understand it, the album credits usually just said "Derechos Reservados". And this happened a lot. I can understand how many Cuban music-lovers feel that this was wrong and was stealing. But also, to me, this situation showed how important Cuba was as the source of this style of music in the U.S. prior to 1959. It also shows me how the embargo dramatically changed the musical landscape and led to a lot of situations.
So when Cuba was taken out of the picture due to the embargo, some of these "Salsa" musicians in the U.S & Puerto Rico suddenly lacked a source of new music. Some also unfortunately took advantage of the situation and saw a way to make money off of someone else's musical catalog.
Regardless, since the source and inspiration for these very popular styles of Cuban music wasn't available anymore, many musicians apparently resorted to remaking older Cuban songs. As I see it, the Cuban embargo is the catalyst for all this because it had a major impact on the situation. It also created a huge dilemma for many musicians. Unfortunately, the way some of them tried to resolve that dilemma has caused more controversy and resentment.
Great job on explaining what is and how salsa music developed. Let me present my perspective from a 66 years old Puerto Rican that rise together with the salsa music development.
What I called salsa was develop in New York City by the end of the 60s and beginning of the 70s being the more important precursor Fania records. No doubt the base of salsa were rhythms from the Caribbean mostly from Cuba and mainly played by Puerto Rican musicians from el barrio. What distinguishes salsa from traditional Caribbean rhythms is the way they are played. Salsa is played more aggressively as a way of expressing the sentiment of the Latin community in the area at the time. The winds tend to sound irreverent, solos or inspirations were longer and borrowing expressions from jazz music, for example when you hear a son from a salsa band like Ray Barretto vs a traditional son played by Ignacio Piñeiro the feeling you get is different. In my opinion although salsa isn't a rhythm it use is completely justified because it's purpose was twofold, it was an umbrella under which Caribbean rhythms were presented as united for not latin people to understand and also a way to interpret those rhythm.
Thank you for sharing your perspective and experience! Great comment!
the questions I didn’t know I wanted
The name "salsa" was given in New York. However this music is really Cuban music.
The "mezcla" is in the polyphonic rhythms. Bass tumbao, son clave, bata and other rhythms from the timbales/congas/bongos, keyboard montunos. Afro-Cuban rhythm elements + jazz. This musical mixture = salsa.
Salsa=Cuban music
nope it is Africa then Cuban
@JenniferSmith-jh3fr No , it's not "African". It combines African sounds with Spanish melodies and instruments
@@JenniferSmith-jh3fr you'r wrong. Then ,(jazz , rock and roll , blues ,etc) are african music ?
Africa
EUROS ALWAYS TRYING TO STEAL
@@Facts-Over-Feelings NO NATIVE AMERICAN ARE ALWAYS COPYING BLACK CULTURE!!!
@@vanessamonroe1637 I DONT GET WHAT YOUR SAYING
All music starts in africa or colonial palaces or further back would be ancient times in Africa and the Euphrates river region
It was call Cuban music and tiene later puerto Rico put it own style and ingredientes and call it salsa new York style by newyorican.
some stores are banning chilie all together
Came from mambo.
not to mention camo fires
It’s Cuban music and because of the blockade polo licans dumb down cuban rhythms and due to ignorance of the the music and religious ties renamed it They also renamed the instruments. Many Polo licans lifted hundreds of Cuban songs and renamed as well and or changed the lyrics.
Its the only musical genre this has happened too. Imagine the outrage if it had happened to Portuguese Fado , the blues Samba or American bebop jazz
el Son
rumba
Danzón
Mambo
Nueva trova
Son montuno
Bolero
Latin jazz
Afro-Cuban jazz
Guajira
Songo
Cha-cha-cha
Mozambique
Rumba
Yuka
Timba
Pachanga
Filin
Criolla
Pilón
Guaracha
Charanga
Trova
Punto guajiro
Contradanza
Changüí
Guaguancó
Cha-cha-cha
Rhumba
Mambo
Conga
Cubaton
Habanera
Montuno
Descarga
Tumba francesa
Zapateado
Mambo
Conjunto
Pregón
Abwe
Tahona
it's Colombia not Columbia
Thanks for the comment, and you are correct about the South American country spelled "Colombia". However, Cuban Rumba is a musical style that has 3 rhythmic forms, and none of those rhythms have anything to do with Colombia the country. One of those forms of Cuban Rumba is called "Columbia". That's how it is spelled . Colombia the country is great, but it is something completely different. Here is a video of Rumba Columbia:
ua-cam.com/video/UammPLtG-sE/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
I was here! JS! And with this addition off history am like htf can the accounts of the slave trade be said to not exist?!! Like fym😂😂😂
THESE ALWAYS COPYING BLACK FOLKS BUT THEY DONT RESPECT THEM🙄🙄😒
Chachacha and Pachanga didn't exist yet in 1948.
That's true! I'm referring to the beginning of the "Mambo" dance craze in NYC which was first and which became popular at the Palladium Ballroom around 1948. Then, the Chachacha dance craze and the Pachanga dance craze came along afterwards.
Por lo visto quieren contradecir a la gastronómica cundo explica claro que es salsa jijiji 😜 la salsa se usa solamente en la cosina jijiji 😜