Step in the right direction, but cele is only a problem with certain specs, which is more indication the class/spec is too powerful. My cele WB drops like 1 second of burning on average, because I need to swap runes and still can't make up the same boon uptime. Should still work tho
So as an Engineer player in WvW, I was doing a lot of theory crafting on a spear build ( outside of the meta Spear Celestial ).. After the announcement I basically got rid of the Celestial Gear and swapped it to some other stats.. now instead of having 1800-1900 power, I have like 2800 power and the same toughness. I'm hitting quite a bit harder. The condition part is gone, sustain is weaker, crit chance is much higher but meh. I don't see much reason to kill celestial since I kill much faster than before now but generally I have a similar combat experience.
@@PaperRoll the result would've been the same.. expertise is not the point here, concetration is. With the ability to keep boons up almost permantly and more specifically, keeping MIGHT up, the celestial builds will not do damage. The reason why celestial builds became a thing AFTER the conc implementation and noone was using it before is this. truth is that celestial stats do NO damage. BUT if u can generate a lot of might and keep it up thanks to concetration, then you DO deal damage. Since Might is double dipping in celestial builds, celestial builds became a force to be feared cus it could now deal damage. Lossing the conc means that u lose the might... and not just might u lose the double dipping...u lose A LOT of damage. Now if u also take into consideration that u lose Prot uptime, Regen uptime ( that gets boosted with healing power cus of cele as well) and many other things, like fury uptime ( 20% crit )....It's like... i am not kidding but celestials are getting 50% nerfed just by removing conc. Which means they instantly become unplayble. Keeping the experitse will absolutly NOT change that... even if they kept expertise, it would've been completly irrelevant.
@@akhsdenlew1861 I agree that concentration was the true strength that made ppl use cele which is why I whis they kept expertise to keep it fair for both condition and power players who still want to use it 😔
@@Unknown-qd1ry Between the nerfs to Ren's alacrity and the removal of boon duration and expertise I can't see how cele could be a thing for Rev. For condi builds trailblazer or dire would be stronger and as support Scrapper is just miles ahead of support Rev in zergs in any iteration/scep of the class.
When they added concentration and experience, I started using it in a SB build. I used it for many years. Most nerfs currently target zerg, but shots always hit roamers. There are many other balance issues in WvW currently and Celestial isn't even one of them.
Eh, celestial nerf is justified. I think the point is to drive it out of use in wvw tbh. Or only use it knowing your a jack of all trades, maybe people will mix and match more or do how your build does with focused stats. seems healthier for the gamemode for sure
Honestly the celestial change is great. Celestial stat block is way over budget...it's a boring option that removes the choice of what to sacrifice for your build....plus it has created the most boring builds that have ever existed.
@@PaperRoll not enough to offset what was gained...there was no meaningful choice to be made other than if your build could benefit from the conc/expertise...if it could it was almost always the best choice because you could tailor everything else with runes/sigils/traits. It removes a huge portion of theorycrafting and builds...yes you won't have as much damage as the person in berserkers but you'll be able to out-sustain then, out-heal their damage, and the boost from the boons that you are able to keep up longer more than makes up for that loss of stat focus.
@@egoboost13 but we will go back to a well known meta... the perma stealth 1 shot meta. Are you sure that you're gonna enjoy that? Also the viarety of builds/classes and people you are seeing solo roaming will significally drop... since only thief and ranger will be viable. ( like it was before the cele buff). I am not sure that people understand in what kind of Meta we are heading right now. we are heading in an exclusive thief stealth meta.... we were there for YEARS. it was not fun, engaging or even interesting... seeing only 1 thing around. I think it would've been better if they just nerfed willbender and harbringer. Other celes didn't really cause problems.
If they’d nerfed cele, stealth, and Willbender all in one go then I would have no complaints. Anyone with a brain will be running thief or WB when not in a boon ball mob. The devs really are trying to kill this game mode.
@@akhsdenlew1861 i guess you have a point but also there is many builds didn't use cele many power builds and some condition like warriors DH rev power soulbeast And that is why they increased the reveal by 1 sec (it is something I guess 😂)
I am really amazed how you still manage to make ranger look strong...I silently gave up on the class, simply too weak against +1, suffer against well played scrapper, willbender, scourge, reaper and ofc thief and these are literally the most played roamers. Hats to you but...after full 7k hrs, all expansion bought I give up on the class
@@Elemental278 ranger has its weakness but if you tap into the strength it is great I will make couple of roaming videos to really show druid strength I hope it will give you the motivation for ranger back 😄
@@joshinblank I already released the first one and it is survivability focused I even put a fight that can show how easy it is to lose if you don't play right just as how capable you can be to survive ua-cam.com/video/6lP2YNmuosM/v-deo.html Next one is much bigger going to be about winning and your ability to kill it is 33 min 😆
@@PaperRoll perfect! I saw the video and I am hella impressed. I main ranger and want to experience what it's like to be able to survive better, so you have my attention with druid! I would love a guide, or even commentary over your videos about what you're thinking while playing! That would be amazing!! Thanks for all your hard work and keep it up :) (just found a guide and I will watch it now! I still would love commentary videos though)
@@joshinblank here you go how to survive guide ua-cam.com/video/sOJQvQiwwnk/v-deo.html I have a lot of guides made already and all in the description 🤓 This is the full playlist for druid roaming there is also class video specific playlist on how to fight against them Druid Roaming The Complete Guide: ua-cam.com/play/PLOfk6sgX3hxt2UXlm7RdZlJVG4fgsjjna.html
Step in the right direction, but cele is only a problem with certain specs, which is more indication the class/spec is too powerful.
My cele WB drops like 1 second of burning on average, because I need to swap runes and still can't make up the same boon uptime. Should still work tho
@@StagWithLag true cele willy and harb come to mind 😄
@@PaperRoll yeah definitely those and maybe also cata
@@StagWithLag harb and willy doing wo cele enough good but cant say same thing for cata. we will see. ele will be probably dead.
So as an Engineer player in WvW, I was doing a lot of theory crafting on a spear build ( outside of the meta Spear Celestial ).. After the announcement I basically got rid of the Celestial Gear and swapped it to some other stats.. now instead of having 1800-1900 power, I have like 2800 power and the same toughness. I'm hitting quite a bit harder. The condition part is gone, sustain is weaker, crit chance is much higher but meh. I don't see much reason to kill celestial since I kill much faster than before now but generally I have a similar combat experience.
I wish that celestial would have lost concentration only but I guess we move on 😄
@@PaperRoll the result would've been the same.. expertise is not the point here, concetration is.
With the ability to keep boons up almost permantly and more specifically, keeping MIGHT up, the celestial builds will not do damage.
The reason why celestial builds became a thing AFTER the conc implementation and noone was using it before is this.
truth is that celestial stats do NO damage.
BUT if u can generate a lot of might and keep it up thanks to concetration, then you DO deal damage.
Since Might is double dipping in celestial builds, celestial builds became a force to be feared cus it could now deal damage.
Lossing the conc means that u lose the might... and not just might u lose the double dipping...u lose A LOT of damage.
Now if u also take into consideration that u lose Prot uptime, Regen uptime ( that gets boosted with healing power cus of cele as well) and many other things, like fury uptime ( 20% crit )....It's like... i am not kidding but celestials are getting 50% nerfed just by removing conc.
Which means they instantly become unplayble.
Keeping the experitse will absolutly NOT change that... even if they kept expertise, it would've been completly irrelevant.
@@akhsdenlew1861 I agree that concentration was the true strength that made ppl use cele which is why I whis they kept expertise to keep it fair for both condition and power players who still want to use it 😔
I won't miss expertise because there's a lot cleanses on wvw and since they nerfed my might generation and alac on renegade I won't miss either.
@@Unknown-qd1ry so you still gonna be using cele 🤔
@@PaperRoll well still the best option for renegade.
@@Unknown-qd1ry Between the nerfs to Ren's alacrity and the removal of boon duration and expertise I can't see how cele could be a thing for Rev. For condi builds trailblazer or dire would be stronger and as support Scrapper is just miles ahead of support Rev in zergs in any iteration/scep of the class.
@@Buran01 I play roaming renegade. I have no idea about zergs.
Time to make a trapper rune + all minstrel roaming druid build LMAO
@@Xynchosis trail and apothecary for life 🫡
@@PaperRoll what would be the most edgy stat to try if not trail/apothecary you think?
@@Xynchosis there are many mix and match dire rapid shaman settelr
Maybe let players select 2 stats and those are the stats you don't get.
@@mage9825 if only that was possible 😄
When they added concentration and experience, I started using it in a SB build. I used it for many years. Most nerfs currently target zerg, but shots always hit roamers. There are many other balance issues in WvW currently and Celestial isn't even one of them.
@@Shiro_Kamui at least we will see more focused builds for power and conditions could be fun 😄
@@PaperRollbe honest Paper. Now it'll be easier for you to kill them! 😂
Nice.
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Bro how many tabs you keep open 😛
@@aeroblizz1987 on laptop not much but about 500 now on my phone 😭😂
Eh, celestial nerf is justified. I think the point is to drive it out of use in wvw tbh. Or only use it knowing your a jack of all trades, maybe people will mix and match more or do how your build does with focused stats. seems healthier for the gamemode for sure
I wish they could make it where you can select the 7 stats you want.
Honestly the celestial change is great. Celestial stat block is way over budget...it's a boring option that removes the choice of what to sacrifice for your build....plus it has created the most boring builds that have ever existed.
But on the other side it did sacrifice strength of stat focus 🤔
@@PaperRoll not enough to offset what was gained...there was no meaningful choice to be made other than if your build could benefit from the conc/expertise...if it could it was almost always the best choice because you could tailor everything else with runes/sigils/traits.
It removes a huge portion of theorycrafting and builds...yes you won't have as much damage as the person in berserkers but you'll be able to out-sustain then, out-heal their damage, and the boost from the boons that you are able to keep up longer more than makes up for that loss of stat focus.
@@egoboost13 but we will go back to a well known meta... the perma stealth 1 shot meta.
Are you sure that you're gonna enjoy that?
Also the viarety of builds/classes and people you are seeing solo roaming will significally drop... since only thief and ranger will be viable. ( like it was before the cele buff).
I am not sure that people understand in what kind of Meta we are heading right now.
we are heading in an exclusive thief stealth meta.... we were there for YEARS.
it was not fun, engaging or even interesting... seeing only 1 thing around.
I think it would've been better if they just nerfed willbender and harbringer.
Other celes didn't really cause problems.
If they’d nerfed cele, stealth, and Willbender all in one go then I would have no complaints.
Anyone with a brain will be running thief or WB when not in a boon ball mob.
The devs really are trying to kill this game mode.
@@akhsdenlew1861 i guess you have a point but also there is many builds didn't use cele many power builds and some condition like warriors DH rev power soulbeast
And that is why they increased the reveal by 1 sec (it is something I guess 😂)
I am really amazed how you still manage to make ranger look strong...I silently gave up on the class, simply too weak against +1, suffer against well played scrapper, willbender, scourge, reaper and ofc thief and these are literally the most played roamers. Hats to you but...after full 7k hrs, all expansion bought I give up on the class
@@Elemental278 ranger has its weakness but if you tap into the strength it is great
I will make couple of roaming videos to really show druid strength I hope it will give you the motivation for ranger back 😄
Please do! I’d like to see it as well
@@joshinblank I already released the first one and it is survivability focused I even put a fight that can show how easy it is to lose if you don't play right just as how capable you can be to survive
ua-cam.com/video/6lP2YNmuosM/v-deo.html
Next one is much bigger going to be about winning and your ability to kill it is 33 min 😆
@@PaperRoll perfect! I saw the video and I am hella impressed. I main ranger and want to experience what it's like to be able to survive better, so you have my attention with druid! I would love a guide, or even commentary over your videos about what you're thinking while playing! That would be amazing!! Thanks for all your hard work and keep it up :) (just found a guide and I will watch it now! I still would love commentary videos though)
@@joshinblank here you go how to survive guide
ua-cam.com/video/sOJQvQiwwnk/v-deo.html
I have a lot of guides made already and all in the description 🤓
This is the full playlist for druid roaming there is also class video specific playlist on how to fight against them
Druid Roaming The Complete Guide: ua-cam.com/play/PLOfk6sgX3hxt2UXlm7RdZlJVG4fgsjjna.html