EXCLUSIVE: Lamar Jackson Debate HEATS UP Between Us & Mark Schlereth

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  • @BLACKSTONEPOET
    @BLACKSTONEPOET 15 днів тому +51

    A 2 time mvp is under pressure. Lamar has been the second best qb in the league for 6 years. And gets discussed like he's a bum. Its disgraceful.

    • @dottade6797
      @dottade6797 15 днів тому

      Not for 6 years maybe for 2

    • @andrewmichaellee
      @andrewmichaellee 15 днів тому +12

      Donovan McNabb diagnosed this dead-on well over a decade ago. Some QBs are on a shorter leash than others, and we know how that applies to Lamar. The only thing he can do that will shut up people like Schlereth up is wining a Super Bowl.

    • @kevt7883
      @kevt7883 15 днів тому +6

      Lol this what they are resorting to its pathetic 😂

    • @lsc758
      @lsc758 15 днів тому +4

      @@andrewmichaelleeno they will reset then and say but can Lamar do more than one like Mahomes. OLD players like this jerk will never appreciate Lamar. And yes I am part of the Lamar cult because he is the most dynamic, entertaining QB to play the game!!

    • @kevt7883
      @kevt7883 15 днів тому +1

      ​@@lsc758 alot of this falls on the Ravens organization and there shortcomings for not supplying Lamar with Receivers and a real offensive scheme and coaching. And they still not doing what they need to as of today

  • @Mindag13
    @Mindag13 15 днів тому +10

    MAGA Bobby let Mark slide. Shout out to Sarah!

  • @AJCsr
    @AJCsr 15 днів тому +11

    Thank you Sarah, for calling out Coach Harbs on his part in lack of playoff successes since 2012 !
    As.much as there are plenty of teams that would snap up John if he left Baltimore, there are plenty of coaches who would not have lost playoff games (by getting away from their historic run games) after destroying every good team they played in the regular season !

    • @michaelhession2105
      @michaelhession2105 15 днів тому

      Really? Did you not see Brian Billick in his later years? In 2003 and 2006 they dominated almost every playoff team they faced in the regular in those two years, only to crap the bed in the playoffs. Harbaugh is not alone, heck even Mike Tomlin did this plenty of times with the Killer B's in Pittsburgh.

  • @bricewilliams798
    @bricewilliams798 15 днів тому +13

    I have never heard of any quarterback developing a wide receiver

    • @andrewmichaellee
      @andrewmichaellee 15 днів тому +1

      But it's Lamar's job to do that. While that would be laughed at if it was applied to any other QB in the league.

    • @aaronbutler9373
      @aaronbutler9373 15 днів тому +3

      It has never been said. It was never the job of QB. Actually it was always implied that WRs were the problem if not Offensive Line. Only with Lamar its Lamar fault.

    • @andrewmichaellee
      @andrewmichaellee 15 днів тому +2

      @@aaronbutler9373 Exactly.

    • @cjstats1514
      @cjstats1514 14 днів тому

      ​@@andrewmichaelleeIt's absolutely not Lamars jib to do that. It's that players job to work to get better, and the coaches job.

  • @hanojcarter545
    @hanojcarter545 15 днів тому +10

    I paused the video at 0:09 to get an idea from the comments how the tone of this conversation was gonna go… after reading i think im gonna skip this episode. I just don’t plan to engage in nonsensical conversation with people who just don’t like Lamar. If joe burrow or Josh Allen (QBs i love to watch) had 2 MVPs and no SBs we would not be having this conversation. If you disagree just look at how universally Aaron Rodgers has been loved since 2010

    • @whatupjrk5275
      @whatupjrk5275 15 днів тому +1

      I respect this 😂! Sometimes u gotta just not upset urself, I do this sometimes but will def listen to this one while cleaning, gaming, or working out (not for pure enjoyment of just watching 😅)

    • @benjamindaoud9857
      @benjamindaoud9857 15 днів тому

      Mark schlereth is full of 💩. Lamar has no weapons on the outside to make teams pay for 8 in the box… manning and burrow get to throw to pro bowlers and hall of gamers and Lamar throwing to Willie Snead. And his Aaron Rodgers take is garbage too. Packers would have had more than two super bowls if they would have gotten him another receiver to go with Adams.

    • @thegamingkitchen8429
      @thegamingkitchen8429 12 днів тому

      He's never had any weapons yet he got MVP 2 times ​@@benjamindaoud9857

  • @terrancehall9762
    @terrancehall9762 15 днів тому +12

    How does he know what Lamar does or doesn’t do and comparing him to Peyton and TB12 decades into tgeir career.

    • @scottybippen
      @scottybippen 15 днів тому +1

      Well one thing he spoke on, was their teammates actually coming out SPEAKING to ppl about them. None of Lamar’s receivers have come out and spoke about Lamar’s intensity, aggressiveness and attention to minute details in PRACTICE. And this is coming from a lifelong(32yrs) Baltimorean and 28yr Ravens fan.

    • @terrancehall9762
      @terrancehall9762 15 днів тому

      @@scottybippen that is anecdotal stuff. And ppl talked about Lamar's leadership all year plus every year Lamar works with his weapons in the offseason

    • @hanojcarter545
      @hanojcarter545 15 днів тому +5

      @@scottybippenthis is just flat untrue! Isiah Likely, Hollywood Bron, Willie Snead, Zay Flowers, Belson Agholor, Dez Bryant, Hayden Hurst, hell even AB have all came out and said working with Lamar during non structural practices are amazing. Hayden,Dez,Hollywood,Snead,Sammy have also said on different occasions that HE WASNT THE ISSUE! You can be a fan for 100 years but it’s unlikely you consume much media information that doesn’t pertain to the Ravens. Between podcast and media interviews this myth has been busted plenty of times

  • @slimreaper4937
    @slimreaper4937 15 днів тому +31

    No disrespect but I Don't know what Mark talking about. Marquis brown improved every year that he was in Baltimore

    • @philblack3756
      @philblack3756 15 днів тому +6

      And look at his numbers when he left.

    • @slimreaper4937
      @slimreaper4937 15 днів тому +3

      @@philblack3756 facts. Over 1000 yards

    • @jb44448
      @jb44448 14 днів тому +1

      Brown was bad and got worse. Left to Arizona and did crap

    • @slimreaper4937
      @slimreaper4937 14 днів тому +1

      @jb44448 not going to let you twist reality without checking you. 1st year 500 +. 2nd year 700+. 3rd year 1000+. You've got to be a bot saying silly stuff

    • @jb44448
      @jb44448 14 днів тому +2

      @slimreaper4937 none of that is impressive. No yac yards. No contested catches. Too small. Bad hands. All the years he was here, Mark Andrews was our #1 receiver. Need a first down, Mark was the primary, not Brown. Zay is already better than he ever was.

  • @gianniblessed
    @gianniblessed 15 днів тому +19

    Yea why you guys let him be disrespectful? Pretty disappointed with yall 😢

  • @CorneliusWatts-iw2wx
    @CorneliusWatts-iw2wx 15 днів тому +9

    Lamar Jackson was in a pro offensive system at Louisville I think he could've ran Flacco Offensive system

    • @kevt7883
      @kevt7883 15 днів тому +2

      He did in his rookie with Marty Mornhinweg was the coordinator lol

    • @thegamingkitchen8429
      @thegamingkitchen8429 12 днів тому

      Not with all those over throws.

  • @slaverie1987
    @slaverie1987 14 днів тому +5

    Sarah thank you for backing up your points with historical data and facts. You did your thing.

  • @BLACKSTONEPOET
    @BLACKSTONEPOET 15 днів тому +9

    Now its not on lamar??? Mark is back tracking hard. Dude got the clicks and attention he wanted.

    • @thegamingkitchen8429
      @thegamingkitchen8429 12 днів тому

      You legit heard what you wanted to hear.

    • @BLACKSTONEPOET
      @BLACKSTONEPOET 12 днів тому

      @@thegamingkitchen8429 sooooo....on the very next episode Bobby said he was back tracking. So if I heard what I wanted, so did the interviewers.

  • @terrancehall9762
    @terrancehall9762 15 днів тому +18

    He wanted Lamar to play wr. He has never been a Lamar fan. Rodgers had Davante Adams and Jordy Nelson.

    • @kevt7883
      @kevt7883 15 днів тому +3

      Mike Mccarthy system had those guys and Aaron was part of it as well.

    • @andrewmichaellee
      @andrewmichaellee 15 днів тому +6

      @@kevt7883 Lamar was also screwed having Roman as the O coordinator from 2019-2023. That's enough to tear any QB down, yet someone Lamar was still relatively successful.

    • @kevt7883
      @kevt7883 15 днів тому +1

      @@andrewmichaellee yep I agree that shows how great he is as a player, he's Justin Herbert's problem now 😆😆😆

    • @seanswinton6242
      @seanswinton6242 15 днів тому +5

      Manning had 2 HoF wide receivers. Lamar Jackson has none.

  • @terrancehall9762
    @terrancehall9762 15 днів тому +15

    Patriots developed players, not TB12. Tampa had multiple great wrs.

    • @dranelgrim
      @dranelgrim 15 днів тому +1

      He mentioned it but he didn't recognize that he said Evans already had pro-bowls... his explanation of "development" is only an issue with Bateman. Hollywood , Zay, Nelly and Andrews (pro-bowler) all see the game as Lamar does

    • @zackhurwitz9441
      @zackhurwitz9441 15 днів тому

      What receivers did they develop after Brady left?

    • @terrancehall9762
      @terrancehall9762 15 днів тому +1

      @zackhurwitz9441 the organization was on the decline long before that.

    • @zackhurwitz9441
      @zackhurwitz9441 15 днів тому

      @@terrancehall9762 literally won a SB the year before he left, but ok

    • @terrancehall9762
      @terrancehall9762 15 днів тому

      @zackhurwitz9441 who, Brady? He had a stacked team in Tampa and Pats scored like 10 points to beat the Rams.

  • @drb5003
    @drb5003 14 днів тому +3

    I'm getting sick and tired of everybody criticizing this young man. He's 27 and won 2 MVPs and 3 All-Star appearances.. Remember Lamar missed Games in 20,21 and 22 seasons... Everybody's killing him because of his playoff record. But what QB besides Mahomes won more SB in the last 4 years.. And truth be told I left out his Heisman trophy 🏆 when he should've won 2...🤷🏿‍♂️

  • @slicctalkin9822
    @slicctalkin9822 15 днів тому +15

    SARAH HELD IT DOWN!! 💪💪🤣

    • @kevinmartin6208
      @kevinmartin6208 15 днів тому +3

      She really did bro Bobby was a disappointment he be getting star struck see somebody like me ion gaf about nun of that star status im gone talk my shit

    • @benjamindaoud9857
      @benjamindaoud9857 15 днів тому +1

      Right on Kev

    • @redthunderbird8117
      @redthunderbird8117 14 днів тому

      I agree and , yet on the other hand... It is her job to present information on a higher level than remedial football 101. She did not let any real inside criticisms out of the bag that the organization had about Flacco as a pure passer, leader, and his over intellect before after the SB run... Not media criticisms but the building's view of Flacco. Not to mention, the 2nd receipt on Ozzie's crappy QB list next to the WR list. Sarah, is somewhat fair and entertaining... At times, she is very entertaining... She is right about Steve Young 100... I like her fire... Still, I do not think she will go atomic on their offensive futility on the executive level ever... The Ozzie critique was mid... I understand but she is still a company girl in my opinion...

  • @dranelgrim
    @dranelgrim 15 днів тому +4

    Mark is stubborn and clearly only wanted to counter. Stubbornness served him well as an athlete but as an analyst being able to receive new information and let go of old beliefs is what a sophisticated analyst is required to do.... hey maybe he just enjoys the clicks

  • @EJBanks
    @EJBanks 15 днів тому +3

    the context helped... he was comparing Lamar to Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, and Peyton Manning. if these all-time greats are standard he has for Lamar, then that shows what he really thinks of him.

  • @jb44448
    @jb44448 14 днів тому +3

    Schereth wasn't telling Elway to develop receivers.

  • @isaiahrussell56
    @isaiahrussell56 15 днів тому +4

    Raven fan but Mark is right on multiple things here. I could care less about MVP’s. I care about playoffs. Lamar has played awful in the playoffs. He’s 2-4 in the playoffs with 6 TD’s and 6 INT’s. That speaks for itself. I know it’s not all on Lamar but if you want the narrative to change he needs to play better in the playoffs. I’m hoping with Henry and a still stacked defense they can make another serious Super Bowl run and win it all. I would love to see Lamar win a Super Bowl MVP and hoist the Lombardi up.

  • @terrencemoore8739
    @terrencemoore8739 14 днів тому +3

    Why is it okay that burrow and Allen have achieved less?

  • @davidpetrosky
    @davidpetrosky 15 днів тому +6

    Really is odd, that he seems to somewhat acknowledge that the Ravens way isn't conducive to big WR numbers. That its a part of what makes big FA receivers wary of coming here. Then he goes on a long involved anecdote involving Manning. How is that relevant? Manning had the keys, way earlier in his career than Lamar. He was always in a scheme far more balanced. Still, didn't do any better than Lamar his first 6 seasons, in terms of playoff success. This guys one of those goal posts carriers. It's no coincidence, that he co signed the calls for Lamar to switch positions when he came into the NFL. He was in the crowd, believing he wouldn't have success in the league, with his style of play. Now that he can't say, that he can't win, he switches to, let's burn him for not having playoff success fast enough. The mental gymnastics, are in overdrive. I don't care if the scheme hampered you for years. I don't care if you have contemporaries that also haven't won a chip yet. I don't care if you haven't had elite help. I need to diminish all of the positives on your resume. I know people like Nick Wright, will jump on this train. He's just like that anonymous coach. What you haven't done, will always outshine anything you accomplish. These guys can't help being totally see through.

    • @jb44448
      @jb44448 14 днів тому

      Yup, he's full of crap

  • @wrizzlywrobbler
    @wrizzlywrobbler 14 днів тому +3

    not sure mark made any concise points about his opinion on Lamar. a lot of beating around the bush and round about answers to discredit lamar. 15 minute segment on hollywood leaving. the entire org was over Roman, hollywood included. hollywood publicly said he loved playing w LJ. but were still going to discredit LJ?

  • @CoachBug00
    @CoachBug00 14 днів тому +4

    Thanks Sarah it’s hard to take these guys serious when he didn’t know why Hollywood wanted to leave but he want to talk about WR in Baltimore 😂 it’s just comical, Lamar did save harbs, that’s how you check him on all the foolishness he was talking you was rite on the money 😈

  • @BLACKSTONEPOET
    @BLACKSTONEPOET 15 днів тому +11

    Ive never heard any other qb become responsible for developing the wr's. Lamar has been held to a different standard from the moment he was drafted. Thats the problem.

    • @zackhurwitz9441
      @zackhurwitz9441 15 днів тому +1

      Plenty of QBs have been held to the same, and higher standards. Brady was expected to make it work with whoever belichick got off the scrap heap, outside of Randy Moss. Brees and Rodgers got 1 first round pick at WR between both of them (it was Brandon Cooks, who was traded from NO in his rookie contract) and that's over 40 combined seasons as NFL QBs.
      They were still expected to be elite, and they were expected to elevate their receivers. Lamar stans couldn't have it more backwards.

    • @BLACKSTONEPOET
      @BLACKSTONEPOET 15 днів тому +1

      @zackhurwitz9441 Brady won immediately. Huh??? Please provide proof of a qb being told to develop wide outs. A link to a story or screen shot? Anything! I've never heard that. A 27 year old 2 time mvp? Never dude. Please shoe us.

    • @CorneliusWatts-iw2wx
      @CorneliusWatts-iw2wx 15 днів тому

      @@BLACKSTONEPOET first I agree on what with you said but remember Lamar Jackson said the Ravens going to get a Superbowl out of me and the NFL on some BS plus in the mean while they mad at because he might actually make it come true

    • @zackhurwitz9441
      @zackhurwitz9441 15 днів тому

      @@BLACKSTONEPOET No idea what you mean by "immediately" but Brady had 3 rings by the time he was Lamar's age. Mahomes has 3 in 6 years. Just beat Lamar head to head, with the worst WR corps in the league.
      It's so funny that people can bring up playoff performances, and Lamar stans will completely ignore the subject, with "it it it doesn't matter.... MVPs!!!" He shouldn't even have won MVP in 2023, if it had to go to a QB, it should have been CJ Stroud.
      I'm not the one who needs to look up countless examples of QBs coaching up their WRs. Brady and Manning constantly elevated their receivers, and made sure they were in the right place at the right time. Go look it up, then go find new reasons to think Lamar isn't at fault for his playoff failures.

    • @redthunderbird8117
      @redthunderbird8117 14 днів тому

      Mark shared two examples... And he said it was semantics..... You can do the research yourself... Do research on the best QB camps in the country over the past 20 years... Ask AI how to develop chemistry and offensive philosophy.... LJ was not a QB savant with a family tree. Not his fault, but I was not born with his skills and thus no NFL... But, being a passive audience is not my BMore way. Any college student can do it, again ask the AI ... Mark understands more about OF football than anyone in the comments..... Jackson is a victim of bad front office... Yeah, But, some fans do not die on a Hill for Millionaires like Biscotti and now LJ. Git it done!!! There are many players the Ravens have cut who I root for, none of them are QB's who run sub 4.4 and get guaranteed 18O million. Peyton had hardcore doubters until he won one... Elway got kicked for getting beat in the SBs... Stick your chest out, stay healthy and win!!!

  • @mikemciver1338
    @mikemciver1338 13 днів тому +1

    He said Lamar doesn't develop receivers lol . Lamar takes any of his receivers that's willing to participate with him on the off-season just to practice with him alone to make them better smh. I love the way you guys handled that. You guys were very classy while making him eat his words 😂

  • @tyfromthe804
    @tyfromthe804 15 днів тому +2

    Yall crazy for bringing him on those old heads know one thing and thats color he speaking from that place not football he shown you his side already

  • @sharnelllewis7070
    @sharnelllewis7070 15 днів тому +1

    I have NEVER seen someone backstroke this hard out of water! This was complete BULLcrap!!!!

  • @monih2530
    @monih2530 15 днів тому +4

    cult it’s a lamar haters cult with these people who don’t like lamar style of play

    • @christianjackson8238
      @christianjackson8238 13 днів тому

      They’re the real cult. How ironic is that they’re all washed up old middle aged men lol.

  • @truthbearer7891
    @truthbearer7891 15 днів тому +1

    Gotta at least give Mark credit for coming on the show. Think you both did a great job setting the record straight on points like the real reason why Marquise Brown left Baltimore and who saved whose job between Lamar/Harbaugh. At the end of the day, we have to realize that there will always be skeptics who push narratives about Lamar until he lifts that Lombardi this February. And depending on how biased they are against his style of play or how skeptical they were of him in the pre-draft process, it may not even be till back to back titles before they reluctantly rank him where he deserves. Considering how the Ravnes in general and Lamar in particular feed off the skepticism, keep it coming en route to that 3rd MVP and 1 of many rings to come.

  • @devonh7935
    @devonh7935 14 днів тому +1

    Why is he using the 2 best QBs in recent history in comparison to Lamar. Long ass unnecessary story smh 😅

  • @jbthomas2592
    @jbthomas2592 15 днів тому

    Great conversation. Thanks

  • @xaviersmith6199
    @xaviersmith6199 14 днів тому +1

    Sarah was bringing the heat! OMG. 😊

  • @bricewilliams798
    @bricewilliams798 15 днів тому +2

    The quarterbacks developed wide receivers what are receiver coaches for?

    • @philblack3756
      @philblack3756 15 днів тому +1

      I want someone to name me ONE WR that was developed by his QB.

    • @MellTrap5150
      @MellTrap5150 15 днів тому

      ​@@philblack3756what was Tyreek hill doing before mahomes got there?

    • @philblack3756
      @philblack3756 15 днів тому +2

      @@MellTrap5150 how about improving on his rookie season by getting 1,000+ yards before Mahomes became the starter. Try again.

  • @WildLifeWale
    @WildLifeWale 14 днів тому +1

    Receivers have to block, which is why taking Hollywood over DK was an absolute flop

  • @terrencemoore8739
    @terrencemoore8739 14 днів тому +1

    Lamar doesnt play like an MVP when he gets to the playoffs. We've blamed coaching and wrs, we improved on both, we're still blaming coaching and wrs (or at least still asking for a #1), either harbaugh gets the boot or lamar needs to start getting more blame (from fans, not media)

  • @YZdude
    @YZdude 10 днів тому

    Before this season we had every right to say he had no weapons, his best WR was a tight end and our best running back was in fact our quarterback.
    Now this season though we have no excuses.

  • @Mindag13
    @Mindag13 15 днів тому +1

    This man has no idea what he’s talking about. Literally

  • @bigchungus1848
    @bigchungus1848 13 днів тому +1

    I can’t wait for Lamar to lift up the Lombardi then point and laugh at all of the haters stupid faces.

  • @dravens8337
    @dravens8337 15 днів тому

    Thank you sarah and bobby for going out of your way to get mark on here. Love that you two are open to having these conversations and dont let them devolve into non sense and yelling over each other.

  • @TheKickenWING
    @TheKickenWING 15 днів тому +1

    They gave give options and be subject all day. But there’s no denying the FACT that Lamar has missed a start or more in every season SMH

    • @christianjackson8238
      @christianjackson8238 13 днів тому

      2018 came in his rookie year mid season. 2019 played full year. 2020 missed 1 game for Covid. 2021 and 2022 he missed those last 4-5 games. 2023 played full year besides the last game because of rest. He’s missed about only 10 games due to injury his whole career.

    • @TheKickenWING
      @TheKickenWING 13 днів тому +1

      @@christianjackson8238 Yes I’m fully aware that Lamar has missed a start or more in 2018,2019,2020,2021,2022 and 2023. And has missed over 15 games already SMH.

  • @user-ln3ux5vg8p
    @user-ln3ux5vg8p 15 днів тому +8

    These comments are coming from an ex player who has no clue about developing WRs or QBs. Stay in your lane Mark.

    • @andrewmichaellee
      @andrewmichaellee 15 днів тому +3

      He doesn't honestly even deserve airtime on this show. Props to them for having him on, but...

  • @MalcolmAnumah
    @MalcolmAnumah 14 днів тому +1

    He is contradicting himself

  • @NoahJones-eg9zi
    @NoahJones-eg9zi 11 днів тому

    For all that, whoever don’t make it to the Super Bowl playoff in the playoffs so it’s not the mall it’s still 30 something of a quarterback, but we talked about it. Let it make sense now.

  • @andrewmichaellee
    @andrewmichaellee 15 днів тому +1

    Ravens were 30th in pass attempts in the league last year. And look what Lamar did with that last year. Guy has done more with less than any other QB in the passing game. Some context, Schlereth....

  • @rashodallen8515
    @rashodallen8515 15 днів тому +1

    Lets be honest. Sarah clearly one the debate. Mark basically back tracked from his comments about Lamar. How many times did he say it wasnt Lamar fault. It makes me believe that he was say8ng those things for pure entertainment purposes. He even stated that the producers use the clips and they say things to get the debate going. Not one time did he have a direct response to what Sarah said. Mark is good at what he did. He answers without directly answering. Those are are complaining just like to complain. Agree to disagree. It was a respectful debate.

  • @9doggie12
    @9doggie12 13 днів тому

    I don’t mind Lamar being criticized but there is no balance to it. With great expectations usually comes with respect and grace which Lamar never gets.

  • @BLACKSTONEPOET
    @BLACKSTONEPOET 15 днів тому +1

    I'd like to know if mark has ever demanded that any other qb develope their wr's. Ive never heard that.

  • @LilRavenCrouse-yz4sg
    @LilRavenCrouse-yz4sg 14 днів тому

    Yes the coaching team has to be right!!! Thank you

  • @threeswillis7791
    @threeswillis7791 14 днів тому +1

    It's Greg Lewis job to develop receivers. Did Zay get a personal fouls in the championship game? Did Zay fumble at the one yard ? It's 31 quarterbacks in the NFL to critique but Lamar is always brought up by analysts for exposure. Bucky Brooks did it 3 years ago Mike Foolio did it last year, and now this clown.

  • @redthunderbird8117
    @redthunderbird8117 14 днів тому +1

    I do not feel bad as zi read other comments that not everyone has an hour plus to examine every detail in the broadcast. I apologize because Sarah did a great job. She really pushed Mark but he pushed right back... Arguably, she definitely did not defend the Ravens... She actually went hard at them... Honestly, the clip which focuses on Mark's segment was A plus , plus.... It was tense, exciting and honest... My point though is I am not Jackson fan nor a Dilfer nor Flacco guy. The standard is not a Bernie Kosar or Pre Terrel Davis Broncos standard. The standard is a Ray Lewis standard... SB or bust!!!

  • @seanb4688
    @seanb4688 14 днів тому +1

    I disagree with the development comment made about Lamar and his WRs. I believe both Lamar and Monken have done a great job featuring Zay and showcasing his 1st round talent. I can't remember what round Mark was drafted in but Lamar and MAN-drews have developed a continuity that has 89 a-top the TE list and even Likely being a backup to Mark has carved out a name for himself due to his connection with 8. Hollywood even as an undersized wideout was clocking 1000 yrd due to his developed connection with 8. I haven't heard too much about Willy Snead sense his departure from Charm city but when he was here, he and Lamar connected on many big time 3rd downs. I truly believe he would have built a name for himself if it was in the cards for him to remain a Raven, he and Lamar had a real connection as well. I maybe misunderstand Marks use of the word "developing" WRs but from my vantage point Lamar is feeding his guys and his guys are very receptive to his in game coaching. I do like the story Schlereth told about Manning icing receivers out of practice for not running the route the way Manning wanted it ran. That may speak to what could be going on with 7 and 8 on the field. They seem like two drastically different personalities that still need more time to develop that TRUZZ. I mainly think this due to injury and some off the field growing pains but I bet 7 has a breakout szn this year.......I hope

  • @HollyG95
    @HollyG95 13 днів тому +1

    This guy is a clown and a back tracker. he insinuated no WR wanted to come to baltimore cuz of lamar. then he said they dont want to come because of run first team. but like sarah said any of these top free agent WR will play for lamar or worst for big money. so lamar gets blamed cuz ravens smart enough to not pay these crazy receiver prices? Then he brought up devonta adams. what is Adams record in playoffs? lol. how many rings he got? we got to stop thinking top WR ends in SB cuz if its 10 good ones right now only a 1 or 2 prob have championships.

  • @cjames4478
    @cjames4478 14 днів тому

    You should have a segment called Bobby's A-Trossett-teesss He should be the first guest. I've been watching the vault since day one. I love the show Sarah is awesome. Stay blessed let's get this Super Bowl W! Let's Make history like baking a cake with Martin Luther face

  • @aaronbutler9373
    @aaronbutler9373 15 днів тому +1

    He making takes on his silly beliefs and wants. Not reality on ground about Lamar. He's a fraud with a fraud agenda.

  • @thegamingkitchen8429
    @thegamingkitchen8429 12 днів тому

    Damn good analysis, mark.

  • @kevingraves8196
    @kevingraves8196 14 днів тому

    Bobby and Sarah getting everyone on. Get Rob Parker next he actually chose Lamar over Mahomes. Yes he does like to be different but his reasons are beyond valid and he knows football very well. Edit also that was top 5 episode ever. Even tho stink will be proven wrong on the very end.

  • @psmstyle7023
    @psmstyle7023 15 днів тому +1

    wow! this bias man is a true double talkerjust saying

  • @MellTrap5150
    @MellTrap5150 15 днів тому +1

    I agree with mark 100%

    • @drizzie6347
      @drizzie6347 15 днів тому

      And you're a lame like he is

  • @aritaeus1432
    @aritaeus1432 14 днів тому

    Really they don’t want Lamar to play like he need to play, like he need to run when he need to and dominate, forget that pocket passing stuff

  • @onesession27
    @onesession27 15 днів тому +3

    One of the things that I wish was addressed was, if he believes that Josh Allen and Joe Burrow are better QBs than Lamar, then why aren't they talked about having wayy more pressure on them than Lamar. Lamar has proved he can consistently make the playoffs, has great regular season awards, but the other QBs in the league that haven't achieved half of what Lamar has achieved, then they need to be under WAY more pressure than Lamar. Those teams like the Bengals and Bills have bet their future on QBs that haven't accomplished hardly anything. Make it make sense 🙄

    • @isaiahrussell56
      @isaiahrussell56 15 днів тому +1

      He said something a long the lines of Lamar has more pressure because he’s a two time MVP so that could be taken as him favoring Lamar over Allen and Burrow. Allen and Burrow have both played better in the playoffs though so I believe it’s debatable who’s better between those 3. I personally take Lamar but I get why people may choose Allen or Burrow.

  • @renaldobuckjr5994
    @renaldobuckjr5994 14 днів тому

    Hurts second year, the eagles traded for AJ Brown.

  • @dereklindsey
    @dereklindsey 14 днів тому +2

    I'm a black man and what's happened to our culture is so sad...our Men can't handle any views that don't kiss our ass or make us feel good.

    • @tomsea6017
      @tomsea6017 11 днів тому

      Now this is BS and you know it

  • @aritaeus1432
    @aritaeus1432 14 днів тому

    Different style qb, Payton didn’t have the arm Lamar have. By the way, don’t use Brady, Payton or Mahomes because the nfl cater to them. I believe no matter what you say the games was rigged

  • @JusKalen
    @JusKalen 15 днів тому

    Sometimes it looks like he knows what he’s talking about then gets just loses me

  • @richardtrevino5516
    @richardtrevino5516 6 днів тому

    he is right about alot that he saying but lamar is still young and dont think its fair to compare him to 3of the best quarterbacks to play the game he still needs more time?

  • @tyrancaldwell3160
    @tyrancaldwell3160 15 днів тому +1

    Ravens fans are Lamar fans get this bozo out of here

  • @robertwebb2015
    @robertwebb2015 14 днів тому

    @thewunderkindshow should've been here bro💯

  • @KetreyalBibbins-vx1te
    @KetreyalBibbins-vx1te 14 днів тому

    Lamar is home team so if you diss him you dissing the ravens

  • @nrgmanifest
    @nrgmanifest 14 днів тому

    Only 10 mins in and I agree 💯 with Mark so far. Lamar is NOT demanding greatness and perfection from his WRs and from the outside looking in doesn't work with them nearly enough like a Brady or Peyton would. Lamar SHOULD have 2 rings rn tbh... BOTH of his MVP szns we had the talent to win it all. I agree 💯 that if you and your WRs aren't on the same page then you get things like Lamar not throwing WRs open but rather waiting to throw the ball AFTER a break/cut instead of knowing where they are going to be and where he wants/needs them to be. Demand perfection, if you fall short of perfection then at least you'll still be great

    • @tomsea6017
      @tomsea6017 11 днів тому +1

      Do you realise you managed to compare Lamar to Brady and Peyton rather than his contemporaries? That IS the problem because it is not truth you seek to communicate but a narrative. He's not at the stage of his career to be doing things those two greats did when they had had timw to develop in the league. Everybody agrees that among hos contemporaries, Mahomes is in a class of his own. If so, with the rest of the other QBs, which of them ia doing what you're requesting of Lamar or is even expected to? You see the problem? You can't just manufacture a different standard for Lamar, expect him to do things retired greats did while using that to rank him lower than contemporaries who are neither doing what you're asking of Lamar or have even been close to doing same. It's unfair!

    • @nrgmanifest
      @nrgmanifest 11 днів тому

      @@tomsea6017 If Lamar wants to be great you gotta do what the greats do. He still 2nd best QB imo but he said he himself he chasing Brady soooo

    • @tomsea6017
      @tomsea6017 11 днів тому

      @@nrgmanifest You are talkimg nonsense now. Of course he wants to be talked about like the greats. But he ought to be given the time and respect to do so. Piling on unnecessary pressure by driving ill-willed narratives isn't looking out for him or expecting greatness from him. It's about trying to use these types of narratives to derail him. For people who deem him not in the same light as the likes of Burrow and Allen, y'all as hell have lofty expectations of him. Ridiculous and senseless!

    • @nrgmanifest
      @nrgmanifest 11 днів тому

      @@tomsea6017 Talking nonsense because he's being asked in his what 7th yr in the league to be in the same page as his WRs and work on the details?? You see some players running hills because the greats before them did. Some players try to mimic Steph Curry's workout routine. But whavers

    • @tomsea6017
      @tomsea6017 11 днів тому

      @@nrgmanifest Ah, let's now be reductionist and pretend this is all about him not being on the same page as his WRs. Both you and I know such rendering is nonsense and that wouldn't need a comparison with a Brady or a Peyton. But yet again, those that dislike Lamar manufacture senseless excuses to cover up for whatever reason they don't like and rate him on one hand but expect the loftiest of standards from him on the other. Weak!

  • @Sadraven-sr3lp
    @Sadraven-sr3lp 15 днів тому

    Lamar is the BEST RUNNING QB OF ALL TIME, better than Mike Vick and Cam Newton. Still needs to grow as a passer, esp. needs to hone the cerebral aspect of quarterbacking. When defensive coordinators force him to beat them from the pocket in playoff games, Lamar melts down.

  • @deandrelatrell8085
    @deandrelatrell8085 15 днів тому +2

    Mark Drops Jewels But Only The Unbias Ears Can Hear

  • @dane3365
    @dane3365 14 днів тому

    Why did Lamar not have more on his plate year two? This guy is biased. I won't say you're racist because no one knows, but you basically said Lamar is slow to pick up things.

  • @EyeofhorusTaurus
    @EyeofhorusTaurus 15 днів тому

    Mark you ain’t say nothing wrong I may not agree with every single point but I respect your take and perspective I’ve said a few of those points on my channel in the past years

  • @philblack3756
    @philblack3756 15 днів тому

    So much 🧢 is this lecture.

  • @deandrelatrell8085
    @deandrelatrell8085 15 днів тому +1

    Lamar Does Have Weapons, And He Do Need To Step It Up In The Post Season He Choked In AFCCG, This Coming From A Raven's Fan Home Grown Who Believes He Already A HoF

  • @monih2530
    @monih2530 15 днів тому

    he just want be relevant. i don’t know this dude

  • @theunderworldent5704
    @theunderworldent5704 10 днів тому

    The worst vault episode & guest yet

  • @jesseclark4577
    @jesseclark4577 14 днів тому

    Schlereth was spot on with his takes. You have Raven fans and u have Lamar fans. He gave a gem when he said Elway told him that its up to the OL on 1st and 2nd down and on him 3rd down and when a big play was needed. Somebody needs to tell Lamar that. A certain someone should have kept their mouth shut and let him talk more. It was also rude to leave early, couldn't wait five minutes more to put your pots and pans to work. Does anybody know what the 13 year veteran of the Ravens organization did while employed there. Hopefully it wasn't being a secretary . Anyway what would help the ravens the most is if they could sign Flacco to take over from Jackson in the playoffs.

    • @christianjackson8238
      @christianjackson8238 13 днів тому

      Lmao well Lamar and Flacco were both in the playoffs last year and Joe got eliminated first round. So that’s a horrible take. And let’s not act like Lamar didn’t perform well in the divisional round and scored 4 touchdowns. 2 passing and 2 rushing

    • @jesseclark4577
      @jesseclark4577 13 днів тому

      @@christianjackson8238 houston lost their forcus in 2nd half and allowed Lamar to play sandlot or back yard football. Thats why he was so successful. All things being = in a playoff game I'm still taking flacco

    • @christianjackson8238
      @christianjackson8238 13 днів тому

      @@jesseclark4577 Lol no Lamar and the ravens made second half adjustments and completely dominated Houston easy. Again 4 touchdowns. 2 passing touchdowns came in the pocket. Stop making excuses for Flacco and the browns they got destroyed. Flacco is old now he did good last season but he not the same playoff QB from a decade ago be real. You saying you’ll take Josh Allen over Lamar in the playoffs sounds more realistic but not Joe

    • @christianjackson8238
      @christianjackson8238 13 днів тому

      @@jesseclark4577 Lamar was successful because he got the ball out quicker and then eventually the rushing lanes open up. Go watch the film. Had nothing to do with some stupid sandlot football.

    • @jesseclark4577
      @jesseclark4577 13 днів тому

      @@christianjackson8238 The TD's he threw were dink and dunk(run, pass option or something similar). The man needs to be able to go back find his receivers and fit the ball into a tight window 20,30 or 40 yards down field.

  • @Sadraven-sr3lp
    @Sadraven-sr3lp 15 днів тому

    I don't understand what Sarah & Bobby are arguing about... Mark Schelereth observations and comments are pretty logical and convincing.