Vegetarian, yes, but perhaps not vegan. According to the work of Dolores Cannon and others who have utilized hypnosis to regress patients to past lives, and contacted the consciousness's of several Essenes walking the earth during the time of Jesus, there were some Essenes with more Zealot-like tendencies that did eat meat, though most were vegetarian, and few of these would eat fish; however it is stated that Jesus ate honey and described it to his followers as one of the most spiritual foods on this earth. This is most interesting, as the Hebrew prophet Isaiah, in a prophecy all Christians take to be of Jesus, says honey and butter (or curds) would be his food - not meat, but also not strictly vegan diet. Some other sources suggest that milk was among the bloodless foods Jesus taught God had given for man to eat, along with the fruits, veggies and grains... I know some vegans who will eat honey, but many strict vegans won't because technically it is an 'animal food'. Another interesting tidbit from one of those past life regression sessions suggests that, though not all Essenes were strictly vegetarian, that this prevalent vegetarianism greatly expanded within the Essene movement during the time of Jesus so most who hadn't already gave up meat-eating, due to his teachings on unconditional selfless love and compassionate living toward all beings, including the animals. Check out 'Jesus and the Essenes' and 'Essenes: Children of the Light' for those interested in finding additional lines of support for this thesis that Jesus condemned the sacrifice of animals and eating of flesh, which strongly support the historical record we have of the Essenes and Nazarenes (originally the northern Essenes which morphed into the fast-growing Jesus movement after his death) being mostly vegetarians who wholly refused to engage in the temple sacrificial system and abstained from the sacrificing of animals. Another good historical source representing the Nazarene Christian teachings is the Clementine Homilies and Recognitions, attributed to Clement of Rome and claiming to capture the true teachings of apostle Peter, who in this work is painted as a staunch vegetarian (vegan, actually) who strongly condemns sacrifice as antithetical to the will of God. All of this evidence supports and is supported by the historical record of all the earliest Christian 'fathers' in their writings that survived to this day, all in strong agreement that, variously from three different early 'church fathers', James the brother of Jesus was raised 'holy' from his womb - that is vegetarian and without wine or strong drink, that all of the 12 apostles were vegan, and that apostle Matthew refrained from the eating of flesh meats so that his body did not become a playground for demons (paraphrased, don't remember the quote exactly). In the biblical gospels, John the Baptist, forerunner to Jesus and likely also one of his teachers, is also described as being raised 'holy' from his womb, without strong drink, and presumably also free of flesh though it is not stated in the translations as they've been preserved within the Bible, but considering that's what it meant for James the brother of Jesus and first leader of the Jesus movement following his death, it's quite easy to read between the lines... Another interesting piece of internal evidence within the gospels as we have them is oddly, though it is written that Jesus fed the crowds with the miracle of multiplied fish and bread, in every case where Jesus refers back to that event, he only mentions the bread, and all of the pre-Nicene 'church fathers' who reference the story of this miracle also only refer to the bread but not the fishes! Then there's one of the earliest surviving transcripts of the biblical gospel of Luke, which has a variation of one particular verse warning against the eating of flesh and drinking of strong drink, this omitted from the later transcripts upon which the accepted orthodox version of Luke is taken. It's all very interesting, and all points to a major cover-up by the early church once integrated into the Roman Empire in the 300s AD. After all, for the first three centuries until the empire hijacked the faith, the various early Christian groups, though differing on many points, were all in strong agreement on the principle of absolute nonviolence (joining the army was entirely prohibited), and even into the 400s, vegetarianism was so prominent among Jesus followers that the now Romanized church in some locales began to force meat-eating on Sundays to weed out the so-called 'gnostic heretics' from among their ranks. Once one begins to really look, the evidence seems almost endless, and perhaps as more ancient documents are hopefully unearthed, more such evidence will continue to come to light!
It's amazing how so few people underline how Christian food choices should be just and loving. All I hear are proof texts seeking to justify selfishness and violence.
Without delving into the details, as there are too many to handle, this is one of the most fascinating conversations that will, together with the film, open up a Pandora's box. Thank you - Kameron and Mark.
I am watching it on the 24th with a non vegan friend. I hope this touchs her her and have more admiration for Jesus. Jesus was a bad ass! I love Jesus even more now . 🙏🏻💖💚
I am nO Jesus-worshipper but I do recognize prophets and messengers of God The Creator whom I worship, and His Scriptures, one longstanding The Quran, which CLEARLY states God wants humanity to STOP The bloodshed, especially in His name, and that animals whether The land creatures, fliers of The sky (birds), or swimmers in The sea (fish and others) are part of families and communities like you. It NEVER says they are FOOD!
he is sooo good at arguing for the protection of animals based on rational research and morality..my mother taught me all of this as a child and brought me up a vegetarian and then later a vegan ..this is the first time i have heard all these references of the various gospels, pythagoras and the essenes, nazarenes, ebonites...other than from my extraordinary mother
Haven't seen the film yet, but absolutely loved this conversation! Personally, I've always assigned significance to the fact that the sixth Commandment doesn't say "Thou shalt not kill thy neighbor," but simply "Thou shalt not kill." Surely God's Peace doesn't include doing violence to innocents. Also, as a long-time Course in Miracles student, I find its teachings, which frequently include the phrase "and all living things" consistent with an ethic that recognizes all children of God, not only a single species. "Christ's face is seen in every living thing..." My daily prayers include this passage: "I pray that You are awakening and nurturing within each and every one of us, the dreamers, the imperative to reach out to and bless one another and all living things AS TRUE EQUALS, in kindness, respect, & acceptance, and in gratitude, charity, compassion, & love." All my love and gratitude.
Actually, the Hebrew word used in the 6th commandment translates to "murder". "Kill" is a different word altogether. The etymology of the word MURDER is made up of two roots; mur/mer, meaning "to take the life of",... and der, meaning "living, breathing creature". This is the same root used for the word deer -- the antlered animal of the woodlands/forest. Thus the 6th commandment forbids the murder of ANY living, breathing creature/animal, no matter the species. On a related note -- Genesis 1:29-30 is also a COMMAND and has never been revoked or changed,... contrary to what some people have claimed.
@@victoriahart1630 I love this! Thank you so much for the correction / clarification. (I admit to falling back on the terminology of the Catholic Church and school of my childhood.)
What about the sacrifices made by the tribes of Israel? They sacrifice cows goats sheep and many other types of animal for the remission of their sins. God demanded blood sacrifices in the Old Testament. Same book that wrote the 10 commandments
@@victoriahart1630 have to look a bit deeper. Go to the original Hebrew and search the word rāsah to find that original meaning. It occurs 47 times in the Bible and they are all in reference to man killing man. You may be correct with the etymology of murder, but you aren't correct in the original meaning of the text.
I recommed reading the book The Slaughter of Terrified Beasts: A Biblical Basis for the Humane Treatment of Animals (by J R Hyland). The gruesome, bloody temple sacrifices are described in great detail. Very eye-opening.
Does that book have a vegan viewpoint as opposed to a merely humane/welfarist viewpoint? If so I will definitely get it -- But the problem with cherry-picking scriptures about compassion for animals in the Bible is that the whole book was edited/infiltrated and corrupted (Roman Emperor Constantine and Council of Nicaea Bishops) to cover up the Church's animal sacrifice practice -- that's why you see so few scriptures that value the lives of animals. BUT I would highly recommend a book called THE GOSPEL OF THE HOLY TWELVE -- the TRUE gospel scriptures showing the truth about Jesus and God's love for all animals. (Best version is by Martino Fine Books with beautiful cover)
@@harveyplantharvester1502 What a great question! The book doesn't have a "welfarist" approach but rather an abolitionist stance. Here's an excerpt from the book's back cover: "The Bible calls upon human beings to stop their violence and their abuse of each other, and of all other creatures. It promises that when they do, the animals will also become non-violent. Then, the sorrow and suffering that marks life on Earth will give way to the joy and peace that God ordained at the creation." (Isaiah 11:7-9 follows.) I also have the book you mentioned -- i.e. The Gospel of the Holy 12. It's very interesting and touches the heart. Here are additional books I recommend that address the same topic: 1.) God's Covenant with Animals (by J.R. Hyland) 2.) God Does Not Eat Meat (by Arthur Poletti) 3.) Why Every Christian Should Be A Vegan (by Ryan Hicks) 4.) Vegans vs the Verses (by Steven Lee August) ... and books, articles, essays, podcasts, radio shows, or videos authored by or featuring Dr. James Tabor, Andrew Linzey, Keith Akers, and Matthew A. King. Happy reading! ❤️
@@harveyplantharvester1502 What a great question! The book doesn't have a "welfarist" approach but rather an abolitionist stance. Here's an excerpt from the book's back cover: "The Bible calls upon human beings to stop their violence and their abuse of each other, and of all other creatures. It promises that when they do, the animals will also become non-violent. Then, the sorrow and suffering that marks life on Earth will give way to the joy and peace that God ordained at the creation." (Isaiah 11:7-9 follows.) I also have the book you mentioned -- i.e. The Gospel of the Holy 12. It's very interesting and touches the heart. Here are additional books I recommend that address the same topic: 1.) God's Covenant with Animals (by J.R. Hyland) 2.) God Does Not Eat Meat (by Arthur Poletti) 3.) Why Every Christian Should Be A Vegan (by Ryan Hicks) 4.) Vegans vs the Verses (by Steven Lee August) ... and books, articles, essays, podcasts, radio shows, or videos authored by or featuring Dr. James Tabor, Andrew Linzey, Keith Akers, and Matthew A. King. Happy reading! ❤️
@@BibleDumbPodcast You're very welcome! There are so many more resources available. Here's a tip: Over the years, I've learned many interesting things related to this topic just from reading UA-cam thread comments. That said, always be careful to do further research on whatever you discover. May your efforts be richly rewarding!
The Hebrew word used in the 6th commandment (Exodus 20:13) translates to "murder". "Kill" is a different word altogether. The etymology of the word MURDER is made up of two roots; mur/mer, meaning "to take the life of",... and der, meaning "living, breathing creature". This is the same root used for the word deer -- the antlered animal of the woodlands/forest. Thus the 6th commandment forbids the intentional murder of ANY living, breathing creature/animal, no matter the species.
Well no, Jews during the Old Testament were legally allowed to eat clean animals, according to the kosher laws revealed through Moses by God. It was a sin to eat unclean animals- but not ALL animals. When Jesus established the New Covenant in Mark 7, He declared that all food is now clean. Paul writes about how we should respect those of us who eat certain foods in Romans 14, vegetarian or not. Christians are NOT under the law of Moses, and are 100% allowed to eat meat under God’s law. However, if you feel the conviction not to eat meat, it is NOT a sin. This is the choice of free will that we have.
You’re also incorrect about the Hebrew word רָצַח in Exodus 20. You’re taking the best English translation we have for that word and breaking down the etymology of it instead of the original Hebrew word that actually means to take the life unjustly of a human- not every living creature. The law was written in Hebrew. The English word murder is just the best translation that we have for the Hebrew word. That’s a poor analysis of the translation.
@@channellift2775 The sense of Romans 14 is that Christians' food choices should express love towards our neighbour and 1 Corinthians 10 says Christian food choices should give glory to God. It's not something totally indifferent or neutral.
@@Mrm1985100 Absolutely agreed. So the argument that eating meat is actually a sin based on an English translation of a Hebrew word in the Mosaic Law that contradicts other OT principles is absolutely incorrect, and a lazy argument. That’s my point- I have no disrespect towards those who are meat eaters nor vegetarians based on the scripture you laid out.
my mother brought me up with the knowledge of jesus , the nazarenes and essenes as vegans ..animals are someone .. not objects any baseline spirituality will recognize that
Question that the Bible is a rewrite of earlier Christianity and I guarantee you it is not the word of God how do you change the name from Yeshua leave out the Gospel of Mary and murder Massacre 600 million people it's the Roman Catholic Church the Pagan Constantine the Pagan Council of Nicea the the altered rewrite of earlier Christianity
@@mikecushing7276 The fact that the Bible was infiltrated/rewritten and corrupted is PROOF that all reverence for animals was removed to cover up for the Church's lucrative practice of animal sacrifice -- the Cleansing of the Temple was spun to be about moneychangers but it was Jesus rebelling against the Church's blood bath of animals, for which he was executed just days later. The "editing" was mostly done to alter anything about the value of animals' lives but also reincarnation, which Christians believed for almost 6 centuries A.D. -- which Jesus taught.
Yes, and the evidence is even in the biblical gospels as we have them! Though it is written that Jesus fed the crowds with the miracle of the multiplied loaves and fishes, in every single case where Jesus refers back to that miracle, he mentions only the bread but no fish, while all pre-Nicene 'church fathers' quoting and referencing the original story of the miracle never mention the fishes either, but only the bread. The truth is there for all who seek to find it.
96% 5-star Ratings on Rotten Tomatoes of CHRISTSPIRACY of over 250-plus reviews. MY REVIEW: What an absolute brilliant and exhilarating masterpiece, so beautifully pieced together and factually convincing! It was an emotional roller coaster ride -- the mark of a great film - that perfectly made the case of what REALLY happened in the Cleansing of the Temple that day, totally disproving the spin that it was about the moneychangers. What a blessed revelation that Jesus was executed for being a true hero for the animals by rebelling against the Church’s demonic sacrifice ritual. Exposing this huge cover-up is so crucial, and I pray that many, many Christians will see that this is how Jesus (and God) really feels towards animals, not the way the heavily-edited Bible portrays it. Many other religions & their attitudes towards animals were represented and discussed in the film as well. Can’t wait to see this again and the ripple effect it will have on the world!
@@starcatcher3691the Hebrew word for murder is used in the command , not the word for kill. You can look it up but there is justified killing . The command is “do not murder”
@@johngodsey5327 Not exactly, for this "Hebrew word for murder" as you put it, is also a Hebrew word used for accidental killing, 'legal' capital punishment, killing in general as in 'to slay', and even just a violent assault, etc., so while at times it is certainly used as 'murder', it also carries the meaning of killing and violence, or deadly violence, in general - properly, 'to dash into pieces, ie. to Kill', as the biblical commentaries note, adding it especially refers to murder. But it still nevertheless also refers to killing in general, or the definition wouldn't also include 'to kill, to slay', and the term wouldn't be used elsewhere to describe a 'mere' violent assault. Here is a good explanation I found from the Christian Resource Center: The Hebrew word used in both versions of the Ten Words (Commandments), ratsach, is not nearly as specific as the English word "murder" and has a much wider range of meaning. For example, in the Priestly Code of Numbers, the word is used twice (35:27, 30) for killing done by the blood avenger, which was considered "legal" in Israelite society (a form of capital punishment). Also, there are several places in Deuteronomy (4:41-42, 19:3-6) as well as 15 or so other passages scattered throughout Numbers and Joshua that use the word to refer to unintentional killing or causing accidental death, what in English we call, manslaughter (Num 35:6-31, Josh 20:3-5). While the English language uses different terms with different nuances to distinguish different types of killing, the same word in Hebrew can refer to all without distinction in the word itself. The term ratsach can have the connotation of "murder" or "assassinate" (Jud 20:4, 1 Kings 21:19, 2 Kings 6:32). However, that meaning is usually determined by clear markers in context. The term can also mean something much milder, "to beat" or "to assault" (Psalm 62:3). A cognate noun in Psalm 42:10 (Heb. 42:11) means “shattering” or “mortal wound,” while the same cognate noun in Ezekiel 21:22 refers to the slaughter of a battle. These related meanings suggest that the basic word connotes violence, not whether an action was legal or premeditated. Premeditation had to be determined by a judicial process, yet both those found guilty of premeditation and those deemed innocent of premeditation were both described by the same Hebrew term, "the one who kills."
Absolutely the Bible is altered it is not the word of God they change the name from Yeshua they left out the Gospel of Mary and murdered 600 million Christians Muslims than anybody else who didn't go along with their story hit all of the earlier Greek and Hebrew scrolls changed altered it's not the word of God
@@voalex5165 "Thou shalt not kill" - In the ten commandments, and it does not explicitly restrict such prohibited killing or murder to humans only. Then we have in Isaiah 66:3-4: "Whoever slaughters an ox is like one who slays a man; whoever sacrifices a lamb is like one who breaks a dog’s neck; ... Indeed, they have chosen their own ways and delighted in their abominations. ... But they did evil in My sight and chose that in which I did not delight.” Also Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount: "You have heard that it was said, 'love your neighbor and hate your enemy,' but I say to you: Love your enemies and do good to those who hate you." Now, if we are to love even our enemies, are we not also to love the animals which are quite clearly not our enemies, but rather (those being slaughtered) our victims? The animals we tend to kill and eat aren't the 'violent' ones either, but the harmless herd animals, whom we could hardly say hate us, and yet even if they did, would not Jesus have us do good to them, and who in their right minds considers murder to be a good act? Most, however, consider animals to be their friends rather than enemies, and yet kill and eat them anyways... In Jeremiah 7, God is quoted by the prophet Jeremiah as explicitly stating that he never commanded animal sacrifice, this followed also by a strong denunciation of human sacrifice. And Isaiah again in the very first chapter of his book has God disavowing altogether the slaughter of animals by the priestly cult of sacrifice, and the prophet Hosea goes so far as to call the priests (who demanded the killing of animals in God's name) murderers. Jesus himself alludes to it when he says, quoting Hosea: "If you had known what this means: 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice,' YOU WOULD NOT HAVE CONDEMNED THE INNOCENT." In the pro-sacrifice scriptures of the Bible, the only way the sacrifice works to 'atone' for one's sin, is because the animal being sacrificed (killed) is pure and INNOCENT, unlike the now guilty 'sinner'. In the story of the Garden of Eden, it clearly states that in the beginning God gave bloodless foods to both Mankind and the animals for their diet, and while not a direct prohibition, it was understood as such. This is the very reason 'God' in the story of Noah and the Flood needed to expressly sanction the killing of animals for sacrifice following the flood for the theory that God created animals to be killed and eaten by Man to hold any water, as it was understood that God, prior to the Great Flood, through sanctioning a vegan diet to all was also indirectly prohibiting the killing of all living beings. Indeed, in the Hebrew prophecies of a coming golden age or what many would call 'heaven on earth' or the 'coming of the kingdom to earth', God's original peaceful design is restored, with all violence - both warfare and the killing of animals - having been abandoned, interestingly Isaiah says, because "the knowledge of God filled the whole earth as the waters cover the sea." Clearly an implication that those who truly know God know that violence of any and all kinds, even violence against animals, is not in alignment with the true heart of God, killing is never a divine act. There you have it. It's very rarely ever explicitly said, but the practice of sacrifice, the only sanctioned and approved way to kill an animal according to the ancient Hebrew tradition used to justify the idea that God wants us killing animals here on earth, was denounced by nearly all of the Hebrew prophets and Jesus himself, not to mention also by the very spirit of the unconditional love of the Christ which he brought to earth.
Bravo 👏🏽 I enjoyed this DEEP conversation immensely. I have been vegan for 8 years or so. It was a gradual process for me. The same process that occurred and is continually occurring with King James Version of the Bible. Researching his history as an infant king has held so many ahh ha moments that resonate deeply with me. The mainstream programming runs deep in the south for sure. I am still the odd one in my family. My Heart and Mind are clear 🙏🏽 I bought a ticket online for the movie only to find that it was playing at 1 theater in my area. I am sure I will see it mainstream soon. Thank you gentlemen, for an informative and confirming interview.
The problem with cherry-picking scriptures about compassion for animals in the Bible is that the whole book was edited/infiltrated and corrupted (by the Roman Emperor Constantine and Council of Nicaea Bishops) to cover up the Church's animal sacrifice practice -- that's why you see so few scriptures that value the lives of animals and so many that blame God for "allowing" flesh-eating (all lies). BUT I would highly recommend a book called THE GOSPEL OF THE HOLY TWELVE -- the gospel scriptures showing the [deleted and covered-up] truth about Jesus and God's love for all animals. (Best version is by Martino Fine Books with beautiful cover)
The corporate and government connections obviously aren't a new concept, especially the topics of meats. A 2k year topic of corruption to force sacrifice vs. just eating meat.
We have a realization movie that brings light back to Jesus Christ. From darkness comes to light, and now we know again, and as as we know, we shall bring back liberty, for from knowledge comes freedom. From darkness back to light. The omen, our full eclipse of the sun. From knowledge comes freedom. The omen, the earthquake in NewYork home of the Statue of Liberty.
@@marcbonomini2751 Not the point. The issue stated was that Jesus stopped commerce from happening that day and that revenue loss pissed the Romans off. I'm suggesting that commerce continued outside the temple.
@@dallenwade Perhaps commerce did continue outside the temple, although Jesus did much more than 'just' stop the commerce for a day, he disrupted the entire sacrificial system, releasing all of the animals being sold for slaughter, and prohibited the carrying of vessels of blood through the temple. Perhaps, however, such a scene caused those engaging in the outside commerce to cease from their activities for the day out of fear they'd be targeted next...
wow - never thought of this. I'm already a vegan and have been for ethical reasons but I love that the christian community will have to have a look at this.
i lived with hunter gatherers for a year ..their view and treatment of animals was almost identical to the ethics of a vegan... very far from the compromised, i would say pseudo ethics ethics of contemporary hunting
When do we get to see this? What happened? I’ll pay to see it. I offered to show it in an arts center. Please respond Christpiracy people want to help spread the word show the movie.
it seems like Christ was crucified for pointing out the truth. whatever the truth was that needed to be pointed out at that time, it conflicted with those in power. So maybe it had something to do with killing of animals, but it also had to do with so many other offenses.
I became a vegetarian 5 yrs ago after l heard the loed say go to the beginning and read in Genesis and the good lord highlighted how he gave us a plant base diet. My heart was full of sorrow for all the animals that are slaughtered for mans appetite, my heart grieved heavily 😢
It’s like saying I am vegan Christian. Buddhists are not automatically vegan as we know but thank you for being vegan. I have tried to be Buddhist long ago but after thinking about it, it didn’t make any sense to me. Prefer to pray to a feeling, earth or moon than a guy. As Kipling says in IF - “ if all men count with you but none too much”.
@@annaal7480 that’s cool. We don’t pray to anyone, we chant. There is no creator god in Buddhism. True, it’s left up to the individual, but all retreat meals are at least vegetarian and meat of any kind is forbidden on temple property.
Gobleki teppe deer fossils particles is most of the soil you see and mountains of oyster shell mounds create islands on uk shores. I do know its large scale long before we really cant say anything but that The kosher rules doesnt appear till perhaps ordered written commandments. I dont know of physical lawisms against it till maybe 500 years ago . Obviously kosher has been a deal since the first pages..syncrab/ arkaddians are where i see the first eltie hunters and mass slaughter. The fetish of regions Humanism physicalism everything naturalism academic orientation and direction our national & global world view says its all the same comes from same ,returns to the same. Being born in the constalation of pieces 🐟 the fish ,as if the spirit of God hovering over the waters of cosmos ,pauls reversed metamorphosis of jesus emerging energetic/spirit of nature & life giving actors of creation itself should not get lost in translation or taken out of context in this lol Like job of uz, 3 sisters or orion.. The fetish of some middle eastern desert dwelling migrants into Anatolia ,greece ,rome or in India sees new animals that they would never know.
Did Nazareth exist? Evidently a lot of delusional Jesus' contemporaries thought so... even Jesus himself. Luke 18:37 NIV [37] They told him, “Jesus of Nazareth is passing by.” Matthew 21:11 NIV [11] The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.” John 1:46 NIV [46] “Nazareth! Can anything good come from there?” Nathanael asked. “Come and see,” said Philip. John 18:3-5 NIV [3] So Judas came to the garden, guiding a detachment of soldiers and some officials from the chief priests and the Pharisees. They were carrying torches, lanterns and weapons. [4] Jesus, knowing all that was going to happen to him, went out and asked them, “Who is it you want?” [5] “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.) Acts 22:7-8 NIV [7] I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, ‘Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?’ [8] “ ‘Who are you, Lord?’ I asked. “ ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,’ he replied. Mark 1:9 NIV [9] At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. Luke 1:26 NIV [26] In the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, John 19:19 NIV [19] Pilate had a notice prepared and fastened to the cross. It read: jesus of nazareth, the king of the jews. If you don't believe Nazareth existed, maybe, just maybe, you don't believe anything in the Bible is true.
Fish is meat, it's the flesh of sentient beings, there are many biblical passages showing Jesus didn't eat fish. Also there are some translations which change the word figs to "fish". Jesus teachings were likely to take place in spring and summer when figs grow, figs were widely available and even to this day in Israel and neighbouring countries many people still eat figs with bread.
@@animalsarebeautifulpeople3094 They are referring to the story in the Bible where Jesus supposedly pulled out live wriggling fish out of the ocean and turned them into "food" for the multitudes. CHRISTSPIRACY explains and proves that it wasn't even fish, just loaves of bread that were given. (I also highly recommend the book GOSPEL OF THE HOLY TWELVE - which are the TRUE gospels showing all that was removed from the corrupted Bible of Jesus and God's love for all animals)
If you look at Mt. 16:9 - the reason that loaves are mentioned and not fish is because the context is BREAD - beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, etc... also, bread is much easier to travel with!
Except that all of the pre-Nicene 'church fathers' quoting the original miracle Jesus is here referencing, ALSO refer only to bread and no fish! So it would seem that in early pre-Nicene transcripts of the gospels there was no multiplication of fishes but only of loaves, and the fish was a later addition, as the meat-eating Roman Empire could not abide a pacifist, vegetarian religion. You are right, but I would say also the reason Jesus only referenced the bread is likely because he never multiplied fish, that being an addition by the Roman corrupters who compiled the Bible as we know it today. There is even, in one of the earliest surviving transcripts of Luke, a verse in chapter 24 I believe, varying from the accepted version slightly, reading: "Beware in yourselves that your hearts do not become heavy by the eating of flesh, or the drinking of strong drink..." Perhaps we'll never know for sure, but there is lots of historical and even some biblical evidence suggesting Jesus was vegetarian who preached absolute nonviolence, even forbidding the killing of animals.
Wow, he says we never actually say that Jesus was talking about stopping the animal sacrifice because of hurting the animals, but you imply it. Your implication is theologically dishonest and based on no scripture. The fact that the animals that are being sacrificed, in the temple, God was the one who told the Hebrew to sacrifice the animal in the Old Testament.
It's crazy that there should be so much argument, wrangling and nitpicking wrt the paradox of a compassionate man who condemns any form of violence and the unspeakable atrocity of destroying the animal life and nature. Really?
Am very compelled to watch this. Rotten tomatoes 🍅 97% and the Waters' and Andersen's other film work speak for themselves to anyone bold enough to watch them, and for me, raise some massively important questions, ones I can't help but think may allow me to benefit my children in the future, like clear-cased health, economic, & climate blights that don't have several complex resolutions, but maybe just one simple one. Each previous film is intuitively tied together (Cowspiracy, What the Health?!, & Seaspiracy) and which lead to this one. Tying excellent research & science from major worldwide organizations makes for an almost tangible documentary experience, that I am sure will also be thoroughly delivered in this film. That all being said, I have no religious connections (raised Catholic) and am just approaching this with an open mind.
What am I supposed to eat ? Diabetic who cannot eat grain or fruit. Every vegetable is carb and raises blood sugar. Can’t take insulin. Makes me sick. Let me know ok?
I have a hard time imagining Jesus as being a part of a "movement" (i.e. Nazarene). At the same time, I can easily imagine Jesus as not one to kill animals or fish... I'm sure there's a reason and deep meaning for all of this, and we will one day understand it fully. Right now, it's a mystery.
Meat may be an evolutionary necessity. Before humans evolve to a higher stage, meat may be necessary to trap energy in the muscles. In higher ages with control of the energy a light vegetarian diet is ideal both for body and mind. Also people are doing less physical labor as machines take over many jobs and tasks. It is not a good idea for most humans to be on a meat diet today. The times when it was meat three times a day are over. A vegetarian diet brings many benefits.
@@chnl-r I saw a press screening. It was only on limited release, so watch out for when it appears on streaming platforms now, though I've no idea when.
Native american’s had trouble culling out one or two bison’s. So, they would stampede whole herds off cliffs and only take what they needed and left the others. Not exactly sportsman like. Do like conversation though! 👍
Acts 15:29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things' That's all folks, anything more than this is legalism, or demonic deception... 1 Timothy 4:4 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
Not true. 1 Tim. 4 is about a harsh asceticism not about veganism. Romans 14 and 1 Corinthians show that food choices should express love towards God and neighbour.
@@Mrm1985100 Romans 14 and 1 Corinthians DO NOT show that food choices should express love towards God and Neighbour...both are dealing with the issue of those who for the sake of conscience were uncomfortable eating food that had been sacrificed to idols/false gods 'One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.' Romans 14:2. If a person TODAY doesn't want to eat meat, or use food derived products, such a decision is not a moral, or ethical according to the Bible, but a prediliction. If you want to adopt that prediliction you are welcome to do so, but such a decision has nothing to do with love towards God and neighbour...unless you are planning on eating your neighbour. I can understand people not wanting to hurt fluffy animals, again that is an individual prediliction, but it is not a moral, ethical, or a decision that impacts our expression of love towards our brethren...this is obvious because Paul tells the Romans that a person is free to eat, or not, consequently there can be no ethical, moral or love diffirence between the meat eater, or those who refrained from meat offered to idols (which is not the equivilant to modern day veganism or vegetarianism, no matter what the film maker claims, or reads into history). I do not agree with humans being cruel to animals, or causing them unnecessary harm...the Levitical system privovided protection for animals, and proscribed what was an ethical method for killing an animal...Levitcal sacrifices and feats are not the same as the Hindu feasts, which are the worship of demons according to 1 Cor 10:20. 1 TIm 4 is about a harsh ascetism, which is exaclty what the modern day 'evangelical' veganism movement is...if it is practiced with the idea that there is any moral, ethical, or theological significance to the practice then it is the 'will worship' of the Colossian Heresy.
@@chippe999 The Bible has been deliberately corrupted to remove almost all traces of reverence for animals - specifically because of the Church's practice of animal sacrifice (Roman Emperor Constantine and Council of Nicaea Bishops spent 8 years rewriting it) The Gospel of the Holy Twelve book is the TRUE gospels showing all that was removed of Jesus and God's love for all animals. - There is even a chapter called What is Truth: "Truth is revealed according to their capacity to understand and receive." Most people can't tell the Bible has been infiltrated by the Devil.
@@chippe999 What is this ' proscribed what was an ethical method for killing an animal'...? and how would Jesus kill an animal? When Paul says a person is free to eat or not... do you really think he was taking a knife and cutting off the head of a living breathing being that just wants to live on this earth? ...Any justification for killing another being is ludicris; thou shalt not Kill. No where does the Bible clearly say eat the animals yet it is clear that Jesus loved and had compassion for animals, ALL ANIMALS.
B12 is destroyed during the cooking of meat hence why a large proportion of people are actually b12 deficient. It is one of the commonest injections given at GP clinics. It is a bacteria found in soil and can easily be ingested from veg with some soil still on it. Research and critical thinking are not your strong points are they? End of story.
OK, let me try to summarize this , if I may: A. People did not originally eat animals, unless they were absolutely poor (this is why pigs and dogs are "unkosher" , because they were the "non-producing" animals during ancient times that the poor people were allowed to eat, this is why to this day they are considered taboo even amongst the meat eaters). B. Meat eating is a perversion of an ancient ritual called a Yagna. This is where ancient people would worship their God by sacrificing flowers and fruits and other non animal entities in to the fire, to honor their God. People took it too far, and my assumption is they thought "The bigger the sacrifice, the more God must be proud of me, so let's start putting things like animals (re: birth of the barbeque) in to the fire, and even our children." (re: Moloch in the western bible). This of course, is an absolute perversion of the original ritual. (He even says so in Hosea 6:6 "For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.") C. At this point, we as humans had legitimately corrupted our path to self realization and enlightenment, and the ancient texts say the only way back from this perversion is if the Purusha himself comes down and is sacrificed (God himself must be sacrificed to remedy this, sound familiar?) (What is the perfect sacrifice? “Satpatha Brahmanam” “Prajapatir yagnah” which means God himself is the sacrifice.) D. The entire Christ sacrifice ritual is prescribed in the ancient Vedic texts (known as Ashwa Medhya Yagnam (Horse body sacrifice)), right down to the thorns on the head: "The Purusha has to be separated from others: While sacrificing the horse, the sacrificial horse is always separated from other horses. A bush of thorns is usually placed on the head of the horse to inform the people that this horse is separated from the sacrifice. Also the head of the horse is considered to represent the Purusha (Sathapatha Brahmana 13th kanda, 6.22). - The Bible says, "the soldiers platted a crown of thorns, and put it on his head, and they put on him a purple robe" John 19:2, thus separating Him from others. A crown of thorns was placed on Jesus head when he was crucified" So, God came down and participated in a sacrifice ritual to un screw all of us because we supremely nerfed things up . No, you're not supposed to be eating meat, this stems from a perversion of an ancient ritual that was curved in to self worship and a self benefiting ritual. We went from sacrificing flower / nuts to God, to sacrificing Animals for ourselves (re: barbeque). This is the perversion. Interested in more? : www.speakingtree.in/allslides/is-jesus-the-sacrificial-purusha-in-vedas
When an NT author quotes the Old Testament they use the Septuagint, not the Hebrew bible. The Septuagint uses the word λῃστῶν in Jeremiah 7:11 which is commonly translated as robber. I'm not sure how much of your argument hinges in this particular word though.
True, but when Jesus actually spoke the words, he was surely referencing the Hebrew scriptures! That Greek Septuagint and Hebrew original (as we have it) agree on use of a word meaning 'robber' [violent one] as opposed to a mere 'thief' (which the money-changers would have been classified as here) only further supports the point being made, it would seem to me.
So, I just looked up Isaiah 66:3 and it also compares making a grain offering to offering pig's blood. The verse doesn't seem to be about the sanctity of lives but comparing different religious offerings and sacrifices: New Living Translation: But those who choose their own ways- delighting in their detestable sins- will not have their offerings accepted. When such people sacrifice a bull, it is no more acceptable than a human sacrifice. When they sacrifice a lamb, it’s as though they had sacrificed a dog! When they bring an offering of grain, they might as well offer the blood of a pig. When they burn frankincense, it’s as if they had blessed an idol. Your interpretation seems entirely based on modern ethics. Also, you mentioned questioning your own conclusions but just because you couldn't see the flaws in your interpretations doesn't mean others can't.
If you read Isaiah 1, I think you will see that it is very much the slaughter of the animals that the prophet is taking aim at, not just those doing it with a hard heart or wrong motives. God there is clearly sick and tired of sacrifice and has no desire for it, finds the 'incense' ("odor of burning sacrifice") detestable (a view shared also in Hosea), implies he never commanded it (which is explicitly stated in Jeremiah 7), berates the feast days on which the people would gather and eat the slaughtered animals, and calls this unnecessary bloodshed a "trampling of my courts." Then follows: "...your hands are full of blood." And the sacrificial killing of animals was the only reference to bloodshed in the immediately preceding verses...
"Why did Veggie Tales not share that he was only eating vegetables?" Maybe because the main characters were vegetables and they didn't want it to seem weird? I dunno, I've never actually watched the show. Maybe the vegetables eat vegetables all the time.
So, I missed the premier. I want to see it. Let’s do a whole series playing your movies. Ia 500 seat theater by the jersey shore. play it in my arts center. Right by Ocean Grove
If Jesus was a vegetarian why did He ask for food after visiting His disciples in His resurrected body? Luke 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? 42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of a honeycomb*. 43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Apparently the old translation for the word “meate” doesn’t mean flesh of animals.. there’s a lot of debate on this specific verse., some say it’s been altered deliberately.
Regardless of one's religious upbringing, one can choose to be merciful. I'm not aware of any religion that says one must kill in order to get to Heaven, Nirvana, etc. If you live by "do unto others as you would have done unto yourself," there is no way you would incarcerate, torture, kill and eat others or their eggs and dairy which also cause them great suffering and death. ❤🐣🐖🐕🐟🐄🐔🐈🦃🐢❤
Agree. There is so much arguing over words and scriptures on this thread. Mercy and compassion are all that is required. As you say, isn't that practiced by all faiths? 🌿🙏
Religion is not a logical argument for or response to dietary need when allergens & disease dictate otherwise. I am allergic to carbs. Carbs cause pain & inflammation in my body - so what this film suggests, is that it’s better for my spirit & soul if my body suffer? Ok 👍🏼 sure thing! And who will look after me when I am too ill to care for myself?
There are proteins and fats that are not animals, but still, you must make your own choices/live as you need and not use your own rather unique situation to try to justify the mass killing of animals for food by society in general.
Please don’t assume where & how my protein is sourced, or suggest is source fats/proteins from carbs after me saying carbs cause me pain. Clearly my situation is not by choice but necessity & I manage it well. Thank you.
Absolutely riveting conversation. I have been coming to the same conclusion on my own journey over the last three years and I feel so blessed to find that I am not alone. 💚🌿💚
"Blessed is the lion which becomes man when consumed by man; and cursed is the man whom the lion consumes and the lion becomes man." The lion is the murderer. The man is the human. The syntax is confusing, though. But it's not about people and lions; it's just about people.
Interesting take, though I'd argue the murderer - the lion - in this case is the 'devil', the Ego-mind which is the root of all fear and suffering. Essentially meaning: Blessed is the man who consumes his ego, but cursed is the man who is consumed by his ego. I agree its not about lions at all, but perhaps not just about people either, but rather people and the ego programming in their mind which is the root of all evil. One of the epistles of Peter describes the 'devil' as a 'prowling lion', and in Greek mystical symbology, a lion always represents the ego. Just some food for thought :)
Very interesting point one of the disciples has the resurrection in Galileo the other disciples say Jerusalem this is the problem with the Bible it was Rewritten an altered from the Greek Scrolls he goes back to the Greek Pythagoras this is the original stuff I'm sorry the Bible has been altered changed Rewritten from earlier Christianity they changed the name to Jesus they left out the Gospel of Mary then they proceeded to murder other Christians in the name of the Bible quote Jesus they murdered other Christians when they were forcing them to eat meat this the Bible is not the word of God I'm sorry I can prove it study Yeshua in the Greek Scrolls the Bible was written by the Roman Catholic Church who murdered 600 million people Christians Muslims and anybody in sight who didn't go along with their Story murder Massacre by the Roman Catholic Church Constantine the Council of Nicea easy to prove the Inquisition and Crusades murder massacred and stole all the hidden Scrolls Lost Books of the Bible 600 million Christians Muslims or anyone in sight Massacre murder
Yes, the Bible was absolutely corrupted deliberately by the Roman Emperor Constantine and the Council of Nicaea Bishops. The GOSPEL OF THE HOLY TWELVE is the TRUE words of God, showing Jesus's compassion for all animals. It even has a chapter called What is Truth in there -- how to discern lies from what's true. NOTE: I saw Christspiracy and it was MAGNIFICENT and 100% convincing - Jesus was a vegan who was executed for rebelling against the Church's lucrative practice of animal sacrifice.
I have no trouble abstaining from red meat. Don’t like it. You couldn’t pay me enough, to eat beef,lamb, goat, camel, emu, kangaroo. Blood type A. White meat & plant-based, is what we naturally digest. I used to sneak all of my red meat to the dog, at my parent’s dining table. I’ll eat crocodile. And I struggle back & forth, re chicken & fish. I think it’s bad to eat animals. We’re animals (mammals) too 😁❤️🇦🇺
If you think it’s bad to eat animals, then why do you??? You think your taste buds are more important than their lives? It really comes down to selfishness in the end. I’m not saying that to be mean, just that’s what it comes down to.
The dream about the animals = all created is good to eat perfection! The key is to not make the meal a sacrifice situation. Hmm , I think children can get that concept. As we are in revelations, children will.
All created is good to eat? ? are you saying cannibalism? rocks? I think that biblical line taken out of context is seriously misleading. all is good to eat doesn't invite us to eat other beings. that's insane.
@melizbeth1 go read the passage I referred to. I'm curious where in the passage it talks about eating rocks, people , or eating the 1000 genders etc the Satanists say exist in the Bible, lol.
Jesus survived the crucifixion and went to India, his shrine is there (today’s Pakistan). Read Holger Kersten’s “Jesus lived in India “, includes lots of work from Nicolai Notovich.
I'm a vegetarian, even though my god, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, is often pictured with a meatball. Because I think for myself rather than follow what some illiterate carpenter (or goat herder) was said to have said hundreds of years later. Must also say, the line "proved that probably" was my biggest takeaway from this video.
Dairy is far worse with the torture and subjugation of living breathing beings. Once the industry has no need for the dairy cow, she is murdered so dairy is animal slaughter too.
If the standards are this low for Christian textual sources, how much lower do you suppose they are for Buddhism? I was a scholar of Buddhism… do you want to know how many people I've met in my whole life with reading comprehension of Pali?
Buddha’s teachings were only recorded hundreds of years after he died. Buddha’s teachings were orally given to those individuals or groups who came to listen and be rid of their suffering- his teachings are all about practice and living the teaching, not memorizing scriptures, rituals, or worshipping statues as it has become now. Even those who understand and recite Pali do not necessarily have the proper understanding of Vipassana. Only those who genuinely seek the truth of liberation in their heart will find it, regardless of language barriers. When you knock, you will find the truth- it will come to you. One does not need to be a scholar to know the truth. Too many scholars and Pharisees around, and there is only arguing over lines of text in the end. But no enlightenment. All the scholarly studying becomes a distraction at some point. One only needs the true desire for the truth and realization will happen beyond books and scriptures- just by looking at a flower or beetle…
Jesus did eat fish for a purpose, He didn't ate fish to sustain his life after resurrection, He did it to prove the apostles he live can can eat flesh after resurrection.
Actually, if he really wanted to discuss the killing of animals, why doesn't he start with the Jews since this type of "sacrifice" began with them. Specifically in Leviticus. He's a coward and being intellectually dishonest because he knows that if he did, his movie would never get made. Just take a gander at Leviticus 1, starting with the "burnt" offerings. "If your OFFERING is from the herd..........and notice, G-d is not speaking to Christians.
Our Lord said, "Do not be Deceived"... This debate over our dietary habits is interesting, sure, but the dietary question is settled. It's scriptural, and it is clear. I am sickened to see another distraction from what the REAL TOPIC SHOULD BE: SIN AND REPENTANCE. I want no sin in my life more than I want to worry about my diet. AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE TOO PREOCCUPIED WITH THE WAY THEY LOOK, AND THE WAY THEY POOP. Jesus is coming back as a Warrior King, not a soft and understanding counselor. We are free from these dietary constraints, and anything other than preaching sin and repentance is a waste of time.
Why do you think your food choices are irrelevant and are not related to sin? Romans 14 and 1 Corinthians 10 show that Christians' food choices should be righteous and express love towards God and neighbour.
How would Jesus kill an animal? Correct that we should not be deceived yet do your research on what the Dairy industry is doing the most vulnerable beings on the planet. It's time we care about them and change our traditions and tastebuds. Animals do not belong in our mouths.
Forgive me for writing a longer comment. But I am sure people will find it helpful. Firstly, the dietary law is NOT part of the ceremonial law. It is part of the moral law. The way we eat on a daily basis has nothing to do with the seasonal, ceremonial feasts. Christians were never permitted to eat swine for instance. Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, AND FROM BLOOD and FROM THINGS STANGLED, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. Please study Acts 15, Paul and the disciples, at the Jerusalem conference, decree that strangling animals and eating blood is unlawful. The Bible says the life of the flesh is in the blood. Eating blood makes one crazy. Hence, one reason why we see all the madness in the world. Paul never endorsed the eating of swine, shellfish, animal fat, etc. When Paul says, "he who eats only herbs is weak," HE IS NOT SAYING THAT because he thinks flesh meat is healthier than vegetables. Paul believed that health reform and healthy eating were a gift from God. And it is by faith that enables us to eat a certain way. And where does faith come from? "From hearing the Word of God" (Romans 10:17) But if one were to eat only vegetables, they would be in a caloric deficit and rendered very weak. Kosher meat, eaten 2000 years ago, was not the best food, but it could sustain life. Back then, it would be superior to a vegetable only diet (I am speaking of a strictly leafy green diet, not a vegetable diet with grains, fruits, and nuts) The true "weakness" which Paul speaks of is one of faith. He wants people to judge for themselves, based on THEIR OWN UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAW, what the Bible teaches about eating. Paul was most worried that compelled assent to any doctrine, or conformity to outward observances without being convinced, would be hypocritical and of no avail. It would hinder healthy eating and other important topics. Paul, was arguably the most Christlike, in that he wasn't concerned about any outward reform, because he knew that mankind is powerless to adopt any changes of his own violation. All change is through the grace of God, and by cooperating with Him. So, Paul like Christ, focused on the regeneration of the heart, because in this way all outward forms of eating, dress, and conversation would reform, if the will and heart were surrendered to God. Hopefully that helps! Blessings!
The reason they make the decree is because there are many Jewish people in the congregations who are offended at gentiles doing these things, and they want to make peace at the time. Just because the Bible record something at all does not mean it is to be thought of as an lasting truth for everyone. Like wearing head covering for women, it's just what is said from the sensibilities of the time. But things change. Now Christianity is its own thing, and there is no need to abstain from anything that might offend anyone anywhere. Eating blood is fine. Isn't Christs blood even more so the life energy? It is fine. We are invited back into the garden. Where I live most people eat blood. They are not crazy. If anything, as less and less people are eating blood, more people are going crazy. But still, it is important to keep thinking about these things. treating animals well is definitely good and wholesome. All is permissible, but not all builds us up.
Drinking Christ's blood is a symbol of studying the word and prayer. He wasn't advocating cannibalism as the Catholics do, for all intents and purposes. You say we are invited back into the garden. You do realize there was no death in the garden. So why say we should eat blood? As far as female head-dress attire goes, their hair acts as a covering in public. If you study Acts 15, you will see that the Gentiles were indeed required to keep the dietary laws in the OT. Again, these were not abolished at the cross. Only ceremonial statutes were abolished because they typified Christ. For instance, sacrificing a lamb symbolized Christ dying on the cross. Once Christ died, no need to sacrifice. @@MortenBendiksen
@@TheHealthReformersFrom where do you get this? This is my body, this is my blood. Whom so ever doesn't feast on it has no life in him. Chist is the Word, the text of the Bible tells of Him, and does not replace Him. You must feast on Him. I fail to see any way acts 15 supports gentiles having to follow OT dietary laws. There is only one requirement laid on them. And this includes nothing of instruction to keep doing this for ever. It is simply a matter of keeping church disipline at the time, and later generations can obviously do differently if circumstances change. There really is no law that must be kept as a matter of law any longer. Not even the 10 commandments are binding as law. But there is much wisdom in them. We are now free to lollow Christ's example in what manner is actually uplifting to us and our neighbour. This is both easy, terrifying, difficult and wonderful at the same time. Where we end up is up to us. The standard is absolute perfection, but no one is measuring except ourselves. The only solution? Feast on Him.
Jesus was Essene and Essene people were vegan 🌺
The Essene Nazarite Link is also what Rastafari follow who are also Vegan or Italists
@@happyonpurpose 💕👍🙏I love the Rasta wisdom 💕💞🙏👍
Vegetarian, yes, but perhaps not vegan. According to the work of Dolores Cannon and others who have utilized hypnosis to regress patients to past lives, and contacted the consciousness's of several Essenes walking the earth during the time of Jesus, there were some Essenes with more Zealot-like tendencies that did eat meat, though most were vegetarian, and few of these would eat fish; however it is stated that Jesus ate honey and described it to his followers as one of the most spiritual foods on this earth. This is most interesting, as the Hebrew prophet Isaiah, in a prophecy all Christians take to be of Jesus, says honey and butter (or curds) would be his food - not meat, but also not strictly vegan diet. Some other sources suggest that milk was among the bloodless foods Jesus taught God had given for man to eat, along with the fruits, veggies and grains... I know some vegans who will eat honey, but many strict vegans won't because technically it is an 'animal food'. Another interesting tidbit from one of those past life regression sessions suggests that, though not all Essenes were strictly vegetarian, that this prevalent vegetarianism greatly expanded within the Essene movement during the time of Jesus so most who hadn't already gave up meat-eating, due to his teachings on unconditional selfless love and compassionate living toward all beings, including the animals. Check out 'Jesus and the Essenes' and 'Essenes: Children of the Light' for those interested in finding additional lines of support for this thesis that Jesus condemned the sacrifice of animals and eating of flesh, which strongly support the historical record we have of the Essenes and Nazarenes (originally the northern Essenes which morphed into the fast-growing Jesus movement after his death) being mostly vegetarians who wholly refused to engage in the temple sacrificial system and abstained from the sacrificing of animals.
Another good historical source representing the Nazarene Christian teachings is the Clementine Homilies and Recognitions, attributed to Clement of Rome and claiming to capture the true teachings of apostle Peter, who in this work is painted as a staunch vegetarian (vegan, actually) who strongly condemns sacrifice as antithetical to the will of God. All of this evidence supports and is supported by the historical record of all the earliest Christian 'fathers' in their writings that survived to this day, all in strong agreement that, variously from three different early 'church fathers', James the brother of Jesus was raised 'holy' from his womb - that is vegetarian and without wine or strong drink, that all of the 12 apostles were vegan, and that apostle Matthew refrained from the eating of flesh meats so that his body did not become a playground for demons (paraphrased, don't remember the quote exactly). In the biblical gospels, John the Baptist, forerunner to Jesus and likely also one of his teachers, is also described as being raised 'holy' from his womb, without strong drink, and presumably also free of flesh though it is not stated in the translations as they've been preserved within the Bible, but considering that's what it meant for James the brother of Jesus and first leader of the Jesus movement following his death, it's quite easy to read between the lines...
Another interesting piece of internal evidence within the gospels as we have them is oddly, though it is written that Jesus fed the crowds with the miracle of multiplied fish and bread, in every case where Jesus refers back to that event, he only mentions the bread, and all of the pre-Nicene 'church fathers' who reference the story of this miracle also only refer to the bread but not the fishes! Then there's one of the earliest surviving transcripts of the biblical gospel of Luke, which has a variation of one particular verse warning against the eating of flesh and drinking of strong drink, this omitted from the later transcripts upon which the accepted orthodox version of Luke is taken. It's all very interesting, and all points to a major cover-up by the early church once integrated into the Roman Empire in the 300s AD. After all, for the first three centuries until the empire hijacked the faith, the various early Christian groups, though differing on many points, were all in strong agreement on the principle of absolute nonviolence (joining the army was entirely prohibited), and even into the 400s, vegetarianism was so prominent among Jesus followers that the now Romanized church in some locales began to force meat-eating on Sundays to weed out the so-called 'gnostic heretics' from among their ranks. Once one begins to really look, the evidence seems almost endless, and perhaps as more ancient documents are hopefully unearthed, more such evidence will continue to come to light!
Paul’s words are not necessarily God’s words!
It's amazing how so few people underline how Christian food choices should be just and loving. All I hear are proof texts seeking to justify selfishness and violence.
Without delving into the details, as there are too many to handle, this is one of the most fascinating conversations that will, together with the film, open up a Pandora's box.
Thank you - Kameron and Mark.
I am watching it on the 24th with a non vegan friend. I hope this touchs her her and have more admiration for Jesus. Jesus was a bad ass! I love Jesus even more now . 🙏🏻💖💚
How did it go? What did she think of it?
@@VeganCaribun she liked it. Said was amazed . I really think she was overwhelmed.
That's amazing! As a vegan myself, I want to say thanks for sharing the movie with her! 🐇💗🌱
I am nO Jesus-worshipper
but I do recognize prophets
and messengers of God The
Creator whom I worship, and
His Scriptures, one longstanding
The Quran, which CLEARLY states
God wants humanity to STOP The
bloodshed, especially in His name,
and that animals whether The land
creatures, fliers of The sky (birds), or
swimmers in The sea (fish and others)
are part of families and communities
like you. It NEVER says they are FOOD!
he is sooo good at arguing for the protection of animals based on rational research and morality..my mother taught me all of this as a child and brought me up a vegetarian and then later a vegan ..this is the first time i have heard all these references of the various gospels, pythagoras and the essenes, nazarenes, ebonites...other than from my extraordinary mother
Haven't seen the film yet, but absolutely loved this conversation! Personally, I've always assigned significance to the fact that the sixth Commandment doesn't say "Thou shalt not kill thy neighbor," but simply "Thou shalt not kill." Surely God's Peace doesn't include doing violence to innocents. Also, as a long-time Course in Miracles student, I find its teachings, which frequently include the phrase "and all living things" consistent with an ethic that recognizes all children of God, not only a single species. "Christ's face is seen in every living thing..." My daily prayers include this passage: "I pray that You are awakening and nurturing within each and every one of us, the dreamers, the imperative to reach out to and bless one another and all living things AS TRUE EQUALS, in kindness, respect, & acceptance, and in gratitude, charity, compassion, & love."
All my love and gratitude.
Actually, the Hebrew word used in the 6th commandment translates to "murder". "Kill" is a different word altogether. The etymology of the word MURDER is made up of two roots; mur/mer, meaning "to take the life of",... and der, meaning "living, breathing creature". This is the same root used for the word deer -- the antlered animal of the woodlands/forest. Thus the 6th commandment forbids the murder of ANY living, breathing creature/animal, no matter the species.
On a related note --
Genesis 1:29-30 is also a COMMAND and has never been revoked or changed,... contrary to what some people have claimed.
Thou shall not kill animals
@@victoriahart1630 I love this! Thank you so much for the correction / clarification. (I admit to falling back on the terminology of the Catholic Church and school of my childhood.)
What about the sacrifices made by the tribes of Israel? They sacrifice cows goats sheep and many other types of animal for the remission of their sins. God demanded blood sacrifices in the Old Testament. Same book that wrote the 10 commandments
@@victoriahart1630 have to look a bit deeper. Go to the original Hebrew and search the word rāsah to find that original meaning. It occurs 47 times in the Bible and they are all in reference to man killing man. You may be correct with the etymology of murder, but you aren't correct in the original meaning of the text.
I recommed reading the book The Slaughter of Terrified Beasts: A Biblical Basis for the Humane Treatment of Animals (by J R Hyland). The gruesome, bloody temple sacrifices are described in great detail. Very eye-opening.
Does that book have a vegan viewpoint as opposed to a merely humane/welfarist viewpoint? If so I will definitely get it -- But the problem with cherry-picking scriptures about compassion for animals in the Bible is that the whole book was edited/infiltrated and corrupted (Roman Emperor Constantine and Council of Nicaea Bishops) to cover up the Church's animal sacrifice practice -- that's why you see so few scriptures that value the lives of animals. BUT I would highly recommend a book called THE GOSPEL OF THE HOLY TWELVE -- the TRUE gospel scriptures showing the truth about Jesus and God's love for all animals. (Best version is by Martino Fine Books with beautiful cover)
@@harveyplantharvester1502 What a great question! The book doesn't have a "welfarist" approach but rather an abolitionist stance. Here's an excerpt from the book's back cover:
"The Bible calls upon human beings to stop their violence and their abuse of each other, and of all other creatures. It promises that when they do, the animals will also become non-violent. Then, the sorrow and suffering that marks life on Earth will give way to the joy and peace that God ordained at the creation." (Isaiah 11:7-9 follows.)
I also have the book you mentioned -- i.e. The Gospel of the Holy 12. It's very interesting and touches the heart. Here are additional books I recommend that address the same topic:
1.) God's Covenant with Animals (by J.R. Hyland)
2.) God Does Not Eat Meat (by Arthur Poletti)
3.) Why Every Christian Should Be A Vegan (by Ryan Hicks)
4.) Vegans vs the Verses (by Steven Lee August)
... and books, articles, essays, podcasts, radio shows, or videos authored by or featuring Dr. James Tabor, Andrew Linzey, Keith Akers, and Matthew A. King.
Happy reading! ❤️
@@harveyplantharvester1502 What a great question! The book doesn't have a "welfarist" approach but rather an abolitionist stance. Here's an excerpt from the book's back cover:
"The Bible calls upon human beings to stop their violence and their abuse of each other, and of all other creatures. It promises that when they do, the animals will also become non-violent. Then, the sorrow and suffering that marks life on Earth will give way to the joy and peace that God ordained at the creation." (Isaiah 11:7-9 follows.)
I also have the book you mentioned -- i.e. The Gospel of the Holy 12. It's very interesting and touches the heart. Here are additional books I recommend that address the same topic:
1.) God's Covenant with Animals (by J.R. Hyland)
2.) God Does Not Eat Meat (by Arthur Poletti)
3.) Why Every Christian Should Be A Vegan (by Ryan Hicks)
4.) Vegans vs the Verses (by Steven Lee August)
... and books, articles, essays, podcasts, radio shows, or videos authored by or featuring Dr. James Tabor, Andrew Linzey, Keith Akers, and Matthew A. King.
Happy reading! ❤️
@@victoriahart1630wow! Thank you for the reading list!!!
@@BibleDumbPodcast You're very welcome! There are so many more resources available. Here's a tip: Over the years, I've learned many interesting things related to this topic just from reading UA-cam thread comments. That said, always be careful to do further research on whatever you discover.
May your efforts be richly rewarding!
The Hebrew word used in the 6th commandment (Exodus 20:13) translates to "murder". "Kill" is a different word altogether. The etymology of the word MURDER is made up of two roots; mur/mer, meaning "to take the life of",... and der, meaning "living, breathing creature". This is the same root used for the word deer -- the antlered animal of the woodlands/forest. Thus the 6th commandment forbids the intentional murder of ANY living, breathing creature/animal, no matter the species.
Help...guess that includes even NYC giant rats....
Well no, Jews during the Old Testament were legally allowed to eat clean animals, according to the kosher laws revealed through Moses by God. It was a sin to eat unclean animals- but not ALL animals. When Jesus established the New Covenant in Mark 7, He declared that all food is now clean. Paul writes about how we should respect those of us who eat certain foods in Romans 14, vegetarian or not. Christians are NOT under the law of Moses, and are 100% allowed to eat meat under God’s law. However, if you feel the conviction not to eat meat, it is NOT a sin. This is the choice of free will that we have.
You’re also incorrect about the Hebrew word רָצַח in Exodus 20. You’re taking the best English translation we have for that word and breaking down the etymology of it instead of the original Hebrew word that actually means to take the life unjustly of a human- not every living creature. The law was written in Hebrew. The English word murder is just the best translation that we have for the Hebrew word. That’s a poor analysis of the translation.
@@channellift2775 The sense of Romans 14 is that Christians' food choices should express love towards our neighbour and 1 Corinthians 10 says Christian food choices should give glory to God. It's not something totally indifferent or neutral.
@@Mrm1985100 Absolutely agreed. So the argument that eating meat is actually a sin based on an English translation of a Hebrew word in the Mosaic Law that contradicts other OT principles is absolutely incorrect, and a lazy argument. That’s my point- I have no disrespect towards those who are meat eaters nor vegetarians based on the scripture you laid out.
my mother brought me up with the knowledge of jesus , the nazarenes and essenes as vegans ..animals are someone .. not objects
any baseline spirituality will recognize that
"jesus the nazarene" is the literal translation for the title they gave him
Excellent documentary and interesting dialogue here. I pray more folks open their hearts to question everything!
Question that the Bible is a rewrite of earlier Christianity and I guarantee you it is not the word of God how do you change the name from Yeshua leave out the Gospel of Mary and murder Massacre 600 million people it's the Roman Catholic Church the Pagan Constantine the Pagan Council of Nicea the the altered rewrite of earlier Christianity
@@mikecushing7276 The fact that the Bible was infiltrated/rewritten and corrupted is PROOF that all reverence for animals was removed to cover up for the Church's lucrative practice of animal sacrifice -- the Cleansing of the Temple was spun to be about moneychangers but it was Jesus rebelling against the Church's blood bath of animals, for which he was executed just days later. The "editing" was mostly done to alter anything about the value of animals' lives but also reincarnation, which Christians believed for almost 6 centuries A.D. -- which Jesus taught.
Fish was a later addition as well as Jesus cooking fish, the early scriptures did not mention fish
Yes, and the evidence is even in the biblical gospels as we have them! Though it is written that Jesus fed the crowds with the miracle of the multiplied loaves and fishes, in every single case where Jesus refers back to that miracle, he mentions only the bread but no fish, while all pre-Nicene 'church fathers' quoting and referencing the original story of the miracle never mention the fishes either, but only the bread. The truth is there for all who seek to find it.
96% 5-star Ratings on Rotten Tomatoes of CHRISTSPIRACY of over 250-plus reviews.
MY REVIEW: What an absolute brilliant and exhilarating masterpiece, so beautifully pieced together and factually convincing! It was an emotional roller coaster ride -- the mark of a great film - that perfectly made the case of what REALLY happened in the Cleansing of the Temple that day, totally disproving the spin that it was about the moneychangers. What a blessed revelation that Jesus was executed for being a true hero for the animals by rebelling against the Church’s demonic sacrifice ritual.
Exposing this huge cover-up is so crucial, and I pray that many, many Christians will see that this is how Jesus (and God) really feels towards animals, not the way the heavily-edited Bible portrays it. Many other religions & their attitudes towards animals were represented and discussed in the film as well. Can’t wait to see this again and the ripple effect it will have on the world!
You are both GENIUS - THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart!
Peace for all of humanity begins on our dinner plate ~VEGAN4LIFE~
Love to see this at the yearly UK religious Greenbelt festival!
A discussion on the themes would be a good event!
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The command, Thou shalt not kill, should have been interpreted thou shall not murder
Evidence?
@@starcatcher3691the Hebrew word for murder is used in the command , not the word for kill. You can look it up but there is justified killing . The command is “do not murder”
@@johngodsey5327 Not exactly, for this "Hebrew word for murder" as you put it, is also a Hebrew word used for accidental killing, 'legal' capital punishment, killing in general as in 'to slay', and even just a violent assault, etc., so while at times it is certainly used as 'murder', it also carries the meaning of killing and violence, or deadly violence, in general - properly, 'to dash into pieces, ie. to Kill', as the biblical commentaries note, adding it especially refers to murder. But it still nevertheless also refers to killing in general, or the definition wouldn't also include 'to kill, to slay', and the term wouldn't be used elsewhere to describe a 'mere' violent assault. Here is a good explanation I found from the Christian Resource Center:
The Hebrew word used in both versions of the Ten Words (Commandments), ratsach, is not nearly as specific as the English word "murder" and has a much wider range of meaning.
For example, in the Priestly Code of Numbers, the word is used twice (35:27, 30) for killing done by the blood avenger, which was considered "legal" in Israelite society (a form of capital punishment). Also, there are several places in Deuteronomy (4:41-42, 19:3-6) as well as 15 or so other passages scattered throughout Numbers and Joshua that use the word to refer to unintentional killing or causing accidental death, what in English we call, manslaughter (Num 35:6-31, Josh 20:3-5). While the English language uses different terms with different nuances to distinguish different types of killing, the same word in Hebrew can refer to all without distinction in the word itself. The term ratsach can have the connotation of "murder" or "assassinate" (Jud 20:4, 1 Kings 21:19, 2 Kings 6:32). However, that meaning is usually determined by clear markers in context. The term can also mean something much milder, "to beat" or "to assault" (Psalm 62:3). A cognate noun in Psalm 42:10 (Heb. 42:11) means “shattering” or “mortal wound,” while the same cognate noun in Ezekiel 21:22 refers to the slaughter of a battle. These related meanings suggest that the basic word connotes violence, not whether an action was legal or premeditated. Premeditation had to be determined by a judicial process, yet both those found guilty of premeditation and those deemed innocent of premeditation were both described by the same Hebrew term, "the one who kills."
I believe that killing of any animals should have stopped as Jesus was the last lamb that shed his blood.
Absolutely the Bible is altered it is not the word of God they change the name from Yeshua they left out the Gospel of Mary and murdered 600 million Christians Muslims than anybody else who didn't go along with their story hit all of the earlier Greek and Hebrew scrolls changed altered it's not the word of God
Where in the bible explicitly said not to kill animals?
@@voalex5165 "Thou shalt not kill" - In the ten commandments, and it does not explicitly restrict such prohibited killing or murder to humans only. Then we have in Isaiah 66:3-4: "Whoever slaughters an ox is like one who slays a man; whoever sacrifices a lamb is like one who breaks a dog’s neck; ... Indeed, they have chosen their own ways and delighted in their abominations. ... But they did evil in My sight and chose that in which I did not delight.” Also Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount: "You have heard that it was said, 'love your neighbor and hate your enemy,' but I say to you: Love your enemies and do good to those who hate you." Now, if we are to love even our enemies, are we not also to love the animals which are quite clearly not our enemies, but rather (those being slaughtered) our victims? The animals we tend to kill and eat aren't the 'violent' ones either, but the harmless herd animals, whom we could hardly say hate us, and yet even if they did, would not Jesus have us do good to them, and who in their right minds considers murder to be a good act? Most, however, consider animals to be their friends rather than enemies, and yet kill and eat them anyways...
In Jeremiah 7, God is quoted by the prophet Jeremiah as explicitly stating that he never commanded animal sacrifice, this followed also by a strong denunciation of human sacrifice. And Isaiah again in the very first chapter of his book has God disavowing altogether the slaughter of animals by the priestly cult of sacrifice, and the prophet Hosea goes so far as to call the priests (who demanded the killing of animals in God's name) murderers. Jesus himself alludes to it when he says, quoting Hosea: "If you had known what this means: 'I desire mercy and not sacrifice,' YOU WOULD NOT HAVE CONDEMNED THE INNOCENT." In the pro-sacrifice scriptures of the Bible, the only way the sacrifice works to 'atone' for one's sin, is because the animal being sacrificed (killed) is pure and INNOCENT, unlike the now guilty 'sinner'.
In the story of the Garden of Eden, it clearly states that in the beginning God gave bloodless foods to both Mankind and the animals for their diet, and while not a direct prohibition, it was understood as such. This is the very reason 'God' in the story of Noah and the Flood needed to expressly sanction the killing of animals for sacrifice following the flood for the theory that God created animals to be killed and eaten by Man to hold any water, as it was understood that God, prior to the Great Flood, through sanctioning a vegan diet to all was also indirectly prohibiting the killing of all living beings. Indeed, in the Hebrew prophecies of a coming golden age or what many would call 'heaven on earth' or the 'coming of the kingdom to earth', God's original peaceful design is restored, with all violence - both warfare and the killing of animals - having been abandoned, interestingly Isaiah says, because "the knowledge of God filled the whole earth as the waters cover the sea." Clearly an implication that those who truly know God know that violence of any and all kinds, even violence against animals, is not in alignment with the true heart of God, killing is never a divine act.
There you have it. It's very rarely ever explicitly said, but the practice of sacrifice, the only sanctioned and approved way to kill an animal according to the ancient Hebrew tradition used to justify the idea that God wants us killing animals here on earth, was denounced by nearly all of the Hebrew prophets and Jesus himself, not to mention also by the very spirit of the unconditional love of the Christ which he brought to earth.
Always wondered myself; How could the only son of God be anything less than a Vegetarian,
Bravo 👏🏽 I enjoyed this DEEP conversation immensely. I have been vegan for 8 years or so. It was a gradual process for me. The same process that occurred and is continually occurring with King James Version of the Bible. Researching his history as an infant king has held so many ahh ha moments that resonate deeply with me. The mainstream programming runs deep in the south for sure. I am still the odd one in my family. My Heart and Mind are clear 🙏🏽
I bought a ticket online for the movie only to find that it was playing at 1 theater in my area. I am sure I will see it mainstream soon.
Thank you gentlemen, for an informative and confirming interview.
I’ve myself found seven places in the Bible promoting eating plants alone. Every passing day makes living in the flesh here on earth less attractive.
What was that last part before Kam was awkwardly cut off(I think it was unintentional)?? Will there be a book?
If you research the Ebionites you will find that they rejected Paul as a false apostle and an apostate from the Law.
The problem with cherry-picking scriptures about compassion for animals in the Bible is that the whole book was edited/infiltrated and corrupted (by the Roman Emperor Constantine and Council of Nicaea Bishops) to cover up the Church's animal sacrifice practice -- that's why you see so few scriptures that value the lives of animals and so many that blame God for "allowing" flesh-eating (all lies). BUT I would highly recommend a book called THE GOSPEL OF THE HOLY TWELVE -- the gospel scriptures showing the [deleted and covered-up] truth about Jesus and God's love for all animals. (Best version is by Martino Fine Books with beautiful cover)
This was an excellent Share
The corporate and government connections obviously aren't a new concept, especially the topics of meats. A 2k year topic of corruption to force sacrifice vs. just eating meat.
We have a realization movie that brings light back to Jesus Christ. From darkness comes to light, and now we know again, and as as we know, we shall bring back liberty, for from knowledge comes freedom.
From darkness back to light. The omen, our full eclipse of the sun.
From knowledge comes freedom. The omen, the earthquake in NewYork home of the Statue of Liberty.
Just because Jesus stopped commerce from happening inside the temple does not mean that he did not allow it outside of the temple
It wasn't commerce, it was usary he stopped. Massive difference.
@@marcbonomini2751 Not the point. The issue stated was that Jesus stopped commerce from happening that day and that revenue loss pissed the Romans off. I'm suggesting that commerce continued outside the temple.
Don't Kill is the message and Jesus did all he was able to do to promote compassion. He was one man on the path.
@@dallenwade Perhaps commerce did continue outside the temple, although Jesus did much more than 'just' stop the commerce for a day, he disrupted the entire sacrificial system, releasing all of the animals being sold for slaughter, and prohibited the carrying of vessels of blood through the temple. Perhaps, however, such a scene caused those engaging in the outside commerce to cease from their activities for the day out of fear they'd be targeted next...
There’s no such thing as humane killing, as you exposed in the film. By its very nature any form of killing is inhumane!
wow - never thought of this. I'm already a vegan and have been for ethical reasons but I love that the christian community will have to have a look at this.
i lived with hunter gatherers for a year ..their view and treatment of animals was almost identical to the ethics of a vegan... very far from the compromised, i would say pseudo ethics ethics of contemporary hunting
When do we get to see this? What happened? I’ll pay to see it. I offered to show it in an arts center. Please respond Christpiracy people want to help spread the word show the movie.
it seems like Christ was crucified for pointing out the truth. whatever the truth was that needed to be pointed out at that time, it conflicted with those in power. So maybe it had something to do with killing of animals, but it also had to do with so many other offenses.
I became a vegetarian 5 yrs ago after l heard the loed say go to the beginning and read in Genesis and the good lord highlighted how he gave us a plant base diet.
My heart was full of sorrow for all the animals that are slaughtered for mans appetite, my heart grieved heavily 😢
I’ve been a vegan Buddhist for years.
It’s like saying I am vegan Christian. Buddhists are not automatically vegan as we know but thank you for being vegan. I have tried to be Buddhist long ago but after thinking about it, it didn’t make any sense to me. Prefer to pray to a feeling, earth or moon than a guy. As Kipling says in IF - “ if all men count with you but none too much”.
@@annaal7480 that’s cool. We don’t pray to anyone, we chant. There is no creator god in Buddhism. True, it’s left up to the individual, but all retreat meals are at least vegetarian and meat of any kind is forbidden on temple property.
Gobleki teppe deer fossils particles is most of the soil you see and mountains of oyster shell mounds create islands on uk shores. I do know its large scale long before we really cant say anything but that
The kosher rules doesnt appear till perhaps ordered written commandments. I dont know of physical lawisms against it till maybe 500 years ago .
Obviously kosher has been a deal since the first pages..syncrab/ arkaddians are where i see the first eltie hunters and mass slaughter.
The fetish of regions
Humanism physicalism everything naturalism academic orientation and direction our national & global world view says its all the same comes from same ,returns to the same.
Being born in the constalation of pieces 🐟 the fish ,as if the spirit of God hovering over the waters of cosmos ,pauls reversed metamorphosis of jesus emerging energetic/spirit of nature & life giving actors of creation itself should not get lost in translation or taken out of context in this lol
Like job of uz, 3 sisters or orion..
The fetish of some middle eastern desert dwelling migrants into Anatolia ,greece ,rome or in India sees new animals that they would never know.
Did Nazareth exist? Evidently a lot of delusional Jesus' contemporaries thought so... even Jesus himself.
Luke 18:37 NIV
[37] They told him, “Jesus of Nazareth is passing by.”
Matthew 21:11 NIV
[11] The crowds answered, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth in Galilee.”
John 1:46 NIV
[46] “Nazareth! Can anything good come from there?” Nathanael asked. “Come and see,” said Philip.
John 18:3-5 NIV
[3] So Judas came to the garden, guiding a detachment of soldiers and some officials from the chief priests and the Pharisees. They were carrying torches, lanterns and weapons. [4] Jesus, knowing all that was going to happen to him, went out and asked them, “Who is it you want?” [5] “Jesus of Nazareth,” they replied. “I am he,” Jesus said. (And Judas the traitor was standing there with them.)
Acts 22:7-8 NIV
[7] I fell to the ground and heard a voice say to me, ‘Saul! Saul! Why do you persecute me?’ [8] “ ‘Who are you, Lord?’ I asked. “ ‘I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom you are persecuting,’ he replied.
Mark 1:9 NIV
[9] At that time Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan.
Luke 1:26 NIV
[26] In the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee,
John 19:19 NIV
[19] Pilate had a notice prepared and fastened to the cross. It read: jesus of nazareth, the king of the jews.
If you don't believe Nazareth existed, maybe, just maybe, you don't believe anything in the Bible is true.
how can I watch it 😩
Keep an eye out for when it becomes available for digital rent or check their website
@@MrFooChops I want
The DVD and possibly
to host a screening !!!
@@religion-free Plant Based News will probably post when that happens
where can we see the film?
Fish is meat, it's the flesh of sentient beings, there are many biblical passages showing Jesus didn't eat fish. Also there are some translations which change the word figs to "fish".
Jesus teachings were likely to take place in spring and summer when figs grow, figs were widely available and even to this day in Israel and neighbouring countries many people still eat figs with bread.
So when Jesus said throw the net into the water they pulled up a net of figs.. and when he cooked the fish at end of one gospel be cooked a fig.
@darcevader3769 when did Jesus actually go fishing in the Bible?
@darcevader3769 please watch the film. I don't remember any passage in the Bible where Jesus is in the kitchen cooking....? Wtf 😅
@@animalsarebeautifulpeople3094 They are referring to the story in the Bible where Jesus supposedly pulled out live wriggling fish out of the ocean and turned them into "food" for the multitudes. CHRISTSPIRACY explains and proves that it wasn't even fish, just loaves of bread that were given. (I also highly recommend the book GOSPEL OF THE HOLY TWELVE - which are the TRUE gospels showing all that was removed from the corrupted Bible of Jesus and God's love for all animals)
@@darcevader3769Jeses ate fish and lamb. This is why i eat fish and lamb.
Jesus was teaching about Karma.
Thank you Kameron for your courage and hard work. ❤
Kameron is a genius and you are a great interviewer
If you look at Mt. 16:9 - the reason that loaves are mentioned and not fish is because the context is BREAD - beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, etc... also, bread is much easier to travel with!
Except that all of the pre-Nicene 'church fathers' quoting the original miracle Jesus is here referencing, ALSO refer only to bread and no fish! So it would seem that in early pre-Nicene transcripts of the gospels there was no multiplication of fishes but only of loaves, and the fish was a later addition, as the meat-eating Roman Empire could not abide a pacifist, vegetarian religion. You are right, but I would say also the reason Jesus only referenced the bread is likely because he never multiplied fish, that being an addition by the Roman corrupters who compiled the Bible as we know it today. There is even, in one of the earliest surviving transcripts of Luke, a verse in chapter 24 I believe, varying from the accepted version slightly, reading: "Beware in yourselves that your hearts do not become heavy by the eating of flesh, or the drinking of strong drink..." Perhaps we'll never know for sure, but there is lots of historical and even some biblical evidence suggesting Jesus was vegetarian who preached absolute nonviolence, even forbidding the killing of animals.
Waiting in anticipation for Christspiracy to be available in the UK. This has actually helped to improve my connection with Jesus. Thank you
I can’t find a cinema in the UK that screens it, where can I watch it?
The film was fantastic and convincing❤
Eye opening movie!
Your presentation is filled with ‘maybe’; this documentary you made is a ‘maybe’ enhanced with your philosophy
Wow, he says we never actually say that Jesus was talking about stopping the animal sacrifice because of hurting the animals, but you imply it. Your implication is theologically dishonest and based on no scripture. The fact that the animals that are being sacrificed, in the temple, God was the one who told the Hebrew to sacrifice the animal in the Old Testament.
It's crazy that there should be so much argument, wrangling and nitpicking wrt the paradox of a compassionate man who condemns any form of violence and the unspeakable atrocity of destroying the animal life and nature. Really?
Am very compelled to watch this. Rotten tomatoes 🍅 97% and the Waters' and Andersen's other film work speak for themselves to anyone bold enough to watch them, and for me, raise some massively important questions, ones I can't help but think may allow me to benefit my children in the future, like clear-cased health, economic, & climate blights that don't have several complex resolutions, but maybe just one simple one.
Each previous film is intuitively tied together (Cowspiracy, What the Health?!, & Seaspiracy) and which lead to this one. Tying excellent research & science from major worldwide organizations makes for an almost tangible documentary experience, that I am sure will also be thoroughly delivered in this film.
That all being said, I have no religious connections (raised Catholic) and am just approaching this with an open mind.
What am I supposed to eat ? Diabetic who cannot eat grain or fruit. Every vegetable is carb and raises blood sugar. Can’t take insulin. Makes me sick. Let me know ok?
I have a hard time imagining Jesus as being a part of a "movement" (i.e. Nazarene). At the same time, I can easily imagine Jesus as not one to kill animals or fish... I'm sure there's a reason and deep meaning for all of this, and we will one day understand it fully. Right now, it's a mystery.
Meat may be an evolutionary necessity. Before humans evolve to a higher stage, meat may be necessary to trap energy in the muscles. In higher ages with control of the energy a light vegetarian diet is ideal both for body and mind. Also people are doing less physical labor as machines take over many jobs and tasks. It is not a good idea for most humans to be on a meat diet today. The times when it was meat three times a day are over. A vegetarian diet brings many benefits.
Blah blah blah you waffle too much the both of you Try being efficient with words
Watching this the day after seeing the movie was incredibly helpful! Thank you for this! INCREDIBLE movie!! I absolutely loved it!!! Life changing!!❤
Good to hear. That was my hope
hi where did you watched the movie?
@@chnl-r I saw a press screening. It was only on limited release, so watch out for when it appears on streaming platforms now, though I've no idea when.
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Thank you Kam. I am forwarding it to my pastors :)
Thank you for this great interview! 👏🫶🏼
Yes I was and am vegan I am the reincarnation
I want to see this but I live in an area that didn't show it in cinemas.
Native american’s had trouble culling out one or two bison’s. So, they would stampede whole herds off cliffs and only take what they needed and left the others. Not exactly sportsman like. Do like conversation though! 👍
Wow, never heard that. Now I’ve lost respect for them.
Is there anywhere to actually watch the film?
Acts 15:29 You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things'
That's all folks, anything more than this is legalism, or demonic deception...
1 Timothy 4:4 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.
The only demonic deception is the one you’re under. 😮
AMAZING
Not true. 1 Tim. 4 is about a harsh asceticism not about veganism. Romans 14 and 1 Corinthians show that food choices should express love towards God and neighbour.
@@Mrm1985100 Romans 14 and 1 Corinthians DO NOT show that food choices should express love towards God and Neighbour...both are dealing with the issue of those who for the sake of conscience were uncomfortable eating food that had been sacrificed to idols/false gods 'One person’s faith allows them to eat anything, but another, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables.' Romans 14:2. If a person TODAY doesn't want to eat meat, or use food derived products, such a decision is not a moral, or ethical according to the Bible, but a prediliction. If you want to adopt that prediliction you are welcome to do so, but such a decision has nothing to do with love towards God and neighbour...unless you are planning on eating your neighbour. I can understand people not wanting to hurt fluffy animals, again that is an individual prediliction, but it is not a moral, ethical, or a decision that impacts our expression of love towards our brethren...this is obvious because Paul tells the Romans that a person is free to eat, or not, consequently there can be no ethical, moral or love diffirence between the meat eater, or those who refrained from meat offered to idols (which is not the equivilant to modern day veganism or vegetarianism, no matter what the film maker claims, or reads into history). I do not agree with humans being cruel to animals, or causing them unnecessary harm...the Levitical system privovided protection for animals, and proscribed what was an ethical method for killing an animal...Levitcal sacrifices and feats are not the same as the Hindu feasts, which are the worship of demons according to 1 Cor 10:20. 1 TIm 4 is about a harsh ascetism, which is exaclty what the modern day 'evangelical' veganism movement is...if it is practiced with the idea that there is any moral, ethical, or theological significance to the practice then it is the 'will worship' of the Colossian Heresy.
@@chippe999 The Bible has been deliberately corrupted to remove almost all traces of reverence for animals - specifically because of the Church's practice of animal sacrifice (Roman Emperor Constantine and Council of Nicaea Bishops spent 8 years rewriting it) The Gospel of the Holy Twelve book is the TRUE gospels showing all that was removed of Jesus and God's love for all animals. - There is even a chapter called What is Truth: "Truth is revealed according to their capacity to understand and receive."
Most people can't tell the Bible has been infiltrated by the Devil.
@@chippe999 What is this ' proscribed what was an ethical method for killing an animal'...? and how would Jesus kill an animal? When Paul says a person is free to eat or not... do you really think he was taking a knife and cutting off the head of a living breathing being that just wants to live on this earth? ...Any justification for killing another being is ludicris; thou shalt not Kill. No where does the Bible clearly say eat the animals yet it is clear that Jesus loved and had compassion for animals, ALL ANIMALS.
War is the desire for cattle.
If God created man to live on plants only, he wouldn't have made man dependent on B12.
END OF STORY!
B12 is destroyed during the cooking of meat hence why a large proportion of people are actually b12 deficient. It is one of the commonest injections given at GP clinics. It is a bacteria found in soil and can easily be ingested from veg with some soil still on it. Research and critical thinking are not your strong points are they? End of story.
OK, let me try to summarize this , if I may:
A. People did not originally eat animals, unless they were absolutely poor (this is why pigs and dogs are "unkosher" , because they were the "non-producing" animals during ancient times that the poor people were allowed to eat, this is why to this day they are considered taboo even amongst the meat eaters).
B. Meat eating is a perversion of an ancient ritual called a Yagna. This is where ancient people would worship their God by sacrificing flowers and fruits and other non animal entities in to the fire, to honor their God. People took it too far, and my assumption is they thought "The bigger the sacrifice, the more God must be proud of me, so let's start putting things like animals (re: birth of the barbeque) in to the fire, and even our children." (re: Moloch in the western bible). This of course, is an absolute perversion of the original ritual. (He even says so in Hosea 6:6 "For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.")
C. At this point, we as humans had legitimately corrupted our path to self realization and enlightenment, and the ancient texts say the only way back from this perversion is if the Purusha himself comes down and is sacrificed (God himself must be sacrificed to remedy this, sound familiar?) (What is the perfect sacrifice? “Satpatha Brahmanam” “Prajapatir yagnah” which means God himself is the sacrifice.)
D. The entire Christ sacrifice ritual is prescribed in the ancient Vedic texts (known as Ashwa Medhya Yagnam (Horse body sacrifice)), right down to the thorns on the head: "The Purusha has to be separated from others: While sacrificing the horse, the sacrificial horse is always separated from other horses. A bush of thorns is usually placed on the head of the horse to inform the people that this horse is separated from the sacrifice. Also the head of the horse is considered to represent the Purusha (Sathapatha Brahmana 13th kanda, 6.22). - The Bible says, "the soldiers platted a crown of thorns, and put it on his head, and they put on him a purple robe" John 19:2, thus separating Him from others. A crown of thorns was placed on Jesus head when he was crucified"
So, God came down and participated in a sacrifice ritual to un screw all of us because we supremely nerfed things up . No, you're not supposed to be eating meat, this stems from a perversion of an ancient ritual that was curved in to self worship and a self benefiting ritual. We went from sacrificing flower / nuts to God, to sacrificing Animals for ourselves (re: barbeque). This is the perversion.
Interested in more? : www.speakingtree.in/allslides/is-jesus-the-sacrificial-purusha-in-vedas
When an NT author quotes the Old Testament they use the Septuagint, not the Hebrew bible. The Septuagint uses the word λῃστῶν in Jeremiah 7:11 which is commonly translated as robber. I'm not sure how much of your argument hinges in this particular word though.
True, but when Jesus actually spoke the words, he was surely referencing the Hebrew scriptures! That Greek Septuagint and Hebrew original (as we have it) agree on use of a word meaning 'robber' [violent one] as opposed to a mere 'thief' (which the money-changers would have been classified as here) only further supports the point being made, it would seem to me.
So, I just looked up Isaiah 66:3 and it also compares making a grain offering to offering pig's blood. The verse doesn't seem to be about the sanctity of lives but comparing different religious offerings and sacrifices:
New Living Translation: But those who choose their own ways- delighting in their detestable sins- will not have their offerings accepted. When such people sacrifice a bull, it is no more acceptable than a human sacrifice. When they sacrifice a lamb, it’s as though they had sacrificed a dog! When they bring an offering of grain, they might as well offer the blood of a pig. When they burn frankincense, it’s as if they had blessed an idol.
Your interpretation seems entirely based on modern ethics.
Also, you mentioned questioning your own conclusions but just because you couldn't see the flaws in your interpretations doesn't mean others can't.
If you read Isaiah 1, I think you will see that it is very much the slaughter of the animals that the prophet is taking aim at, not just those doing it with a hard heart or wrong motives. God there is clearly sick and tired of sacrifice and has no desire for it, finds the 'incense' ("odor of burning sacrifice") detestable (a view shared also in Hosea), implies he never commanded it (which is explicitly stated in Jeremiah 7), berates the feast days on which the people would gather and eat the slaughtered animals, and calls this unnecessary bloodshed a "trampling of my courts." Then follows: "...your hands are full of blood." And the sacrificial killing of animals was the only reference to bloodshed in the immediately preceding verses...
It was best doco ive ever seen
After this film, I stopped identifying as a vegan.
Why?
THANK YOU ❤🙏
No !! Christspiracy does NOT put Christians off.
You cannot speak for everyone.
I love the movie A - Z
Where can I see this film??
See christspiracy.com
It's not in South Africa
I so badly want to watch this so badly
"Why did Veggie Tales not share that he was only eating vegetables?"
Maybe because the main characters were vegetables and they didn't want it to seem weird? I dunno, I've never actually watched the show. Maybe the vegetables eat vegetables all the time.
So, I missed the premier. I want to see it. Let’s do a whole series playing your movies. Ia 500 seat theater by the jersey shore. play it in my arts center. Right by Ocean Grove
If Jesus was a vegetarian why did He ask for food after visiting His disciples in His resurrected body? Luke 24:41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? 42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of a honeycomb*. 43 And he took it, and did eat before them.
Apparently the old translation for the word “meate” doesn’t mean flesh of animals.. there’s a lot of debate on this specific verse., some say it’s been altered deliberately.
listen to the actual conversation and they will break it down for you.
I bought a kick starter and have not seen it yet. I live in Puerto Rico. When can I watch the film?
Regardless of one's religious upbringing, one can choose to be merciful. I'm not aware of any religion that says one must kill in order to get to Heaven, Nirvana, etc. If you live by "do unto others as you would have done unto yourself," there is no way you would incarcerate, torture, kill and eat others or their eggs and dairy which also cause them great suffering and death. ❤🐣🐖🐕🐟🐄🐔🐈🦃🐢❤
Agree. There is so much arguing over words and scriptures on this thread. Mercy and compassion are all that is required. As you say, isn't that practiced by all faiths? 🌿🙏
Religion is not a logical argument for or response to dietary need when allergens & disease dictate otherwise. I am allergic to carbs. Carbs cause pain & inflammation in my body - so what this film suggests, is that it’s better for my spirit & soul if my body suffer? Ok 👍🏼 sure thing! And who will look after me when I am too ill to care for myself?
There are proteins and fats that are not animals, but still, you must make your own choices/live as you need and not use your own rather unique situation to try to justify the mass killing of animals for food by society in general.
Please don’t assume where & how my protein is sourced, or suggest is source fats/proteins from carbs after me saying carbs cause me pain. Clearly my situation is not by choice but necessity & I manage it well. Thank you.
For all Christians who are still eating animals, please read Why Every Christian Should Be a Vegan.
I consider the HB to be accurate. It's certainly internally consistent, so you'll have to make a case from scripture. Diet isn't a salvation issue.
Absolutely riveting conversation. I have been coming to the same conclusion on my own journey over the last three years and I feel so blessed to find that I am not alone. 💚🌿💚
Was he crucified or just actually murdered, there is a difference.
"Blessed is the lion which becomes man when consumed by man; and cursed is the man whom the lion consumes and the lion becomes man." The lion is the murderer. The man is the human. The syntax is confusing, though. But it's not about people and lions; it's just about people.
Interesting take, though I'd argue the murderer - the lion - in this case is the 'devil', the Ego-mind which is the root of all fear and suffering. Essentially meaning: Blessed is the man who consumes his ego, but cursed is the man who is consumed by his ego. I agree its not about lions at all, but perhaps not just about people either, but rather people and the ego programming in their mind which is the root of all evil. One of the epistles of Peter describes the 'devil' as a 'prowling lion', and in Greek mystical symbology, a lion always represents the ego. Just some food for thought :)
I’m a vegetarian. I appreciate Kameron’s passion for his vision although some of his interpretations strain credulity.
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Thank you soooo much for this interview !!!
Get Dr Ammon Hillman on the show you would have a very interesting conversation about bible translations
Very interesting point one of the disciples has the resurrection in Galileo the other disciples say Jerusalem this is the problem with the Bible it was Rewritten an altered from the Greek Scrolls he goes back to the Greek Pythagoras this is the original stuff
I'm sorry the Bible has been altered changed Rewritten from earlier Christianity they changed the name to Jesus they left out the Gospel of Mary then they proceeded to murder other Christians in the name of the Bible quote Jesus they murdered other Christians when they were forcing them to eat meat this
the Bible is not the word of God I'm sorry I can prove it
study Yeshua in the Greek Scrolls the Bible was written by the Roman Catholic Church who murdered 600 million people Christians Muslims and anybody in sight who didn't go along with their Story murder Massacre by the Roman Catholic Church Constantine the Council of Nicea easy to prove the Inquisition and Crusades murder massacred and stole all the hidden Scrolls Lost Books of the Bible 600 million Christians Muslims or anyone in sight Massacre murder
Yes, the Bible was absolutely corrupted deliberately by the Roman Emperor Constantine and the Council of Nicaea Bishops. The GOSPEL OF THE HOLY TWELVE is the TRUE words of God, showing Jesus's compassion for all animals. It even has a chapter called What is Truth in there -- how to discern lies from what's true. NOTE: I saw Christspiracy and it was MAGNIFICENT and 100% convincing - Jesus was a vegan who was executed for rebelling against the Church's lucrative practice of animal sacrifice.
God's Torah commands instruct animal sacrifice.
Before his coming, he was the last lamb who shed his blood for humanity. There is an old testament and the new one after Christ Jesus came
I have no trouble abstaining from red meat. Don’t like it. You couldn’t pay me enough, to eat beef,lamb, goat, camel, emu, kangaroo. Blood type A. White meat & plant-based, is what we naturally digest. I used to sneak all of my red meat to the dog, at my parent’s dining table. I’ll eat crocodile. And I struggle back & forth, re chicken & fish. I think it’s bad to eat animals. We’re animals (mammals) too 😁❤️🇦🇺
If you think it’s bad to eat animals, then why do you??? You think your taste buds are more important than their lives? It really comes down to selfishness in the end. I’m not saying that to be mean, just that’s what it comes down to.
What???? they wouldn't let you explore a kosher facility???? Why pick only on the bible thumpers????
Kameron explained why, because of his own background and the film is about Christ, not Mohammed.
@@emmalouise8835 Kosher food is any food fit for consumption by Jewish people. Less you rewrote that part of the bible also. Jesus was Jewish
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At the very end (1:34:00) Kam says it’s happening 2-3 times…did he mean a second documentary or is he writing a book?
Not sure, though I feel a book would be valuable to try to make the case in a deeper way than possible in a film…
@@PlatosPodcasts There is a book currently being written by a vegan author. Not sure about Kam, though.
The dream about the animals = all created is good to eat perfection! The key is to not make the meal a sacrifice situation. Hmm , I think children can get that concept. As we are in revelations, children will.
All created is good to eat? ? are you saying cannibalism? rocks? I think that biblical line taken out of context is seriously misleading. all is good to eat doesn't invite us to eat other beings. that's insane.
@melizbeth1 go read the passage I referred to. I'm curious where in the passage it talks about eating rocks, people , or eating the 1000 genders etc the Satanists say exist in the Bible, lol.
I'm curious where in the passage I refer to, does the Word talk about eating rocks, or people with 1000 genders that Satanists say are in the Bible?
Jesus survived the crucifixion and went to India, his shrine is there (today’s Pakistan). Read Holger Kersten’s “Jesus lived in India “, includes lots of work from Nicolai Notovich.
I'm a vegetarian, even though my god, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, is often pictured with a meatball. Because I think for myself rather than follow what some illiterate carpenter (or goat herder) was said to have said hundreds of years later.
Must also say, the line "proved that probably" was my biggest takeaway from this video.
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Dairy is far worse with the torture and subjugation of living breathing beings. Once the industry has no need for the dairy cow, she is murdered so dairy is animal slaughter too.
If the standards are this low for Christian textual sources, how much lower do you suppose they are for Buddhism? I was a scholar of Buddhism… do you want to know how many people I've met in my whole life with reading comprehension of Pali?
Buddha’s teachings were only recorded hundreds of years after he died. Buddha’s teachings were orally given to those individuals or groups who came to listen and be rid of their suffering- his teachings are all about practice and living the teaching, not memorizing scriptures, rituals, or worshipping statues as it has become now. Even those who understand and recite Pali do not necessarily have the proper understanding of Vipassana. Only those who genuinely seek the truth of liberation in their heart will find it, regardless of language barriers. When you knock, you will find the truth- it will come to you. One does not need to be a scholar to know the truth. Too many scholars and Pharisees around, and there is only arguing over lines of text in the end. But no enlightenment. All the scholarly studying becomes a distraction at some point. One only needs the true desire for the truth and realization will happen beyond books and scriptures- just by looking at a flower or beetle…
Jesus did eat fish for a purpose, He didn't ate fish to sustain his life after resurrection, He did it to prove the apostles he live can can eat flesh after resurrection.
Actually, if he really wanted to discuss the killing of animals, why doesn't he start with the Jews since this type of "sacrifice" began with them. Specifically in Leviticus. He's a coward and being intellectually dishonest because he knows that if he did, his movie would never get made. Just take a gander at Leviticus 1, starting with the "burnt" offerings. "If your OFFERING is from the herd..........and notice, G-d is not speaking to Christians.
They discussed Jews killing animals in the film
Our Lord said, "Do not be Deceived"...
This debate over our dietary habits is interesting, sure, but the dietary question is settled.
It's scriptural, and it is clear.
I am sickened to see another distraction from what the REAL TOPIC SHOULD BE:
SIN AND REPENTANCE.
I want no sin in my life more than I want to worry about my diet. AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE TOO PREOCCUPIED WITH THE WAY THEY LOOK, AND THE WAY THEY POOP.
Jesus is coming back as a Warrior King, not a soft and understanding counselor. We are free from these dietary constraints, and anything other than preaching sin and repentance is a waste of time.
Why do you think your food choices are irrelevant and are not related to sin? Romans 14 and 1 Corinthians 10 show that Christians' food choices should be righteous and express love towards God and neighbour.
How would Jesus kill an animal? Correct that we should not be deceived yet do your research on what the Dairy industry is doing the most vulnerable beings on the planet. It's time we care about them and change our traditions and tastebuds. Animals do not belong in our mouths.
God is the God of the living not the dead.
It is settled: do not eat other sentient beings created by God. If you believe the last line you wrote, then you are in a cult.
Forgive me for writing a longer comment. But I am sure people will find it helpful.
Firstly, the dietary law is NOT part of the ceremonial law. It is part of the moral law. The way we eat on a daily basis has nothing to do with the seasonal, ceremonial feasts. Christians were never permitted to eat swine for instance.
Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, AND FROM BLOOD and FROM THINGS STANGLED, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
Please study Acts 15, Paul and the disciples, at the Jerusalem conference, decree that strangling animals and eating blood is unlawful. The Bible says the life of the flesh is in the blood. Eating blood makes one crazy. Hence, one reason why we see all the madness in the world.
Paul never endorsed the eating of swine, shellfish, animal fat, etc.
When Paul says, "he who eats only herbs is weak," HE IS NOT SAYING THAT because he thinks flesh meat is healthier than vegetables. Paul believed that health reform and healthy eating were a gift from God. And it is by faith that enables us to eat a certain way. And where does faith come from? "From hearing the Word of God" (Romans 10:17)
But if one were to eat only vegetables, they would be in a caloric deficit and rendered very weak. Kosher meat, eaten 2000 years ago, was not the best food, but it could sustain life. Back then, it would be superior to a vegetable only diet (I am speaking of a strictly leafy green diet, not a vegetable diet with grains, fruits, and nuts)
The true "weakness" which Paul speaks of is one of faith. He wants people to judge for themselves, based on THEIR OWN UNDERSTANDING OF THE LAW, what the Bible teaches about eating.
Paul was most worried that compelled assent to any doctrine, or conformity to outward observances without being convinced, would be hypocritical and of no avail. It would hinder healthy eating and other important topics.
Paul, was arguably the most Christlike, in that he wasn't concerned about any outward reform, because he knew that mankind is powerless to adopt any changes of his own violation. All change is through the grace of God, and by cooperating with Him. So, Paul like Christ, focused on the regeneration of the heart, because in this way all outward forms of eating, dress, and conversation would reform, if the will and heart were surrendered to God.
Hopefully that helps! Blessings!
The reason they make the decree is because there are many Jewish people in the congregations who are offended at gentiles doing these things, and they want to make peace at the time. Just because the Bible record something at all does not mean it is to be thought of as an lasting truth for everyone. Like wearing head covering for women, it's just what is said from the sensibilities of the time. But things change. Now Christianity is its own thing, and there is no need to abstain from anything that might offend anyone anywhere. Eating blood is fine. Isn't Christs blood even more so the life energy? It is fine. We are invited back into the garden.
Where I live most people eat blood. They are not crazy. If anything, as less and less people are eating blood, more people are going crazy.
But still, it is important to keep thinking about these things. treating animals well is definitely good and wholesome. All is permissible, but not all builds us up.
Drinking Christ's blood is a symbol of studying the word and prayer.
He wasn't advocating cannibalism as the Catholics do, for all intents and purposes.
You say we are invited back into the garden. You do realize there was no death in the garden. So why say we should eat blood?
As far as female head-dress attire goes, their hair acts as a covering in public.
If you study Acts 15, you will see that the Gentiles were indeed required to keep the dietary laws in the OT. Again, these were not abolished at the cross. Only ceremonial statutes were abolished because they typified Christ.
For instance, sacrificing a lamb symbolized Christ dying on the cross. Once Christ died, no need to sacrifice.
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@@TheHealthReformersFrom where do you get this? This is my body, this is my blood. Whom so ever doesn't feast on it has no life in him.
Chist is the Word, the text of the Bible tells of Him, and does not replace Him. You must feast on Him.
I fail to see any way acts 15 supports gentiles having to follow OT dietary laws. There is only one requirement laid on them. And this includes nothing of instruction to keep doing this for ever. It is simply a matter of keeping church disipline at the time, and later generations can obviously do differently if circumstances change.
There really is no law that must be kept as a matter of law any longer. Not even the 10 commandments are binding as law.
But there is much wisdom in them. We are now free to lollow Christ's example in what manner is actually uplifting to us and our neighbour. This is both easy, terrifying, difficult and wonderful at the same time. Where we end up is up to us. The standard is absolute perfection, but no one is measuring except ourselves.
The only solution? Feast on Him.