Thanks for putting together such an engaging and informative episode. Your analysis brought a fresh perspective to some complex issues, this kind of content is rare and much needed. Looking forward to more content like this!" Love from India 🙌❤️
Thank you so much for your kind words and appreciation! It truly means a lot to hear this, especially from our friends across the border in India. We’re grateful for the love and support we receive from viewers like you who share our passion for meaningful and insightful discussions. We genuinely believe that both Pakistan and India have a rich cultural heritage and a shared history that binds us in unique ways, and it’s beautiful to see how our content resonates with people on both sides. At our channel, we strive to create conversations that foster understanding and shed light on the complexities of our shared past and present. We hope that by learning from one another, both of our nations can build a future rooted in respect, peace, and prosperity. Looking forward to bringing you more episodes that explore and celebrate our cultural connections. Much love and respect back to you from Pakistan!
3:24 as an Indian so called minority Christian I can confidently say that I am blessed to be born on this side of the borderline and I have never been discriminated against in this beautiful country.. the true so called minorities in are the most prosperous one . Eg top educated are 1st Jain 94% and 2nd Christian 84% and buddist 3rd 80% most wealthy are Sikh and Christian and Parsi.. earning per capita 2-3x of national per capita When you say Muslim minorities sorry when you are 14% or 25 cr and essentially the second or third largest Muslim nation.. don't call yourself minorities... you are essentially the second majority.. And you are trying to establish your rule.. and the natives will push back..
By definition muslims are minority just like jains christian and other religious groups....I know y'all are bootlickersss but still have some knowledge and learn the meaning of majority and minority...this doesn't look good on u especially as an educated christian 😂😂
He is acting like an intellectual without much substance. Him saying how did the nuclear tech reach Russia proves how much he knows about things and says them with pseudo confidence.
It’s heartening to hear that you've had a positive experience as a Christian in India. Your experience, while unique and positive, is indeed a form of anecdotal evidence-personal stories can offer valuable insights but may not reflect the full range of experiences across diverse communities. Both India and Pakistan face issues related to discrimination across religious, gender, caste, and ethnic lines, and these challenges impact different groups in distinct ways. There are indeed documented cases of discrimination in both India and Pakistan. In India, various reports, including those from organizations like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, highlight issues faced by marginalized groups, including Muslims, Dalits, and others, especially in social, political, and economic spheres. Similarly, discrimination based on religion and other factors is a reality in Pakistan, where religious minorities sometimes face significant societal pressures and legal restrictions. Your point about India’s minority communities being statistically prosperous in education and economic metrics is interesting and holds true in many contexts. However, such statistics do not negate the reality of discrimination some individuals and groups face. Prosperity at a national level does not always protect minorities from experiencing local discrimination or prejudice, just as representation in certain sectors does not necessarily equate to social equality. Regarding the notion of Muslim "rule" in India, it’s important to clarify that, to the best of available data and analyses, there are no serious, large-scale political or social movements aiming to establish religious rule. Most Muslim-led initiatives focus on social justice, anti-discrimination efforts, or community empowerment, rather than political dominance. Our aim with this channel is to foster awareness about such issues and encourage dialogue that contributes to understanding and change. We believe that acknowledging these challenges is essential in working toward a more inclusive and fair society. Awareness, empathy, and open-mindedness are steps toward a progressive world where discrimination on any basis e.g. religion, race, caste, or gender can be addressed constructively. I hope that you will join us in these efforts and I thank you for sharing your perspective on this complex issue.
I'm in complete agreement with you. The problems of the US with school shootings and other forms of violence are symptoms of what is going on there. Violence in all forms is wrong and as have explained within the podcast we do not condone it.
I'm really surprised that is the message you got. I really do not think Islam is an issue for Pakistan or for the globe therefore it would be difficult to address it. From what was described in the podcast it is individuals within some countries that make decisions which impact whole nations. Those individuals are the real issue if we take an unbiased look at the situation. I hope you can appreciate our viewpoint there 😕
@@MukhbirNama Lol this is the quality of the so called "intellectual" class. 😂 These intellectuals or so called educated class still cannot understand the contradictions between what they talk/ want and what quran/ islam allows. Keep living in delusion and what-aboutary . Your country is intellectually and morally corrupt !!!! ( Proven by the absoule lack of morality and law order in the country and the further proven by the crimes committed by Pakistanis abroad ) Pakistan is destined to be an unstable & headache nation for the world !!!!
10:58 exactly 👍 Proponents of Two nation theory assume that subcontinent Muslims are a monolith Where in reality , they are as diverse as Europe with different languages and cultures in spite of having same religion
@DWAGON1818 two nation theory says Hindus and Muslims cannot live together as they have different languages cultures etc But , like it was said in this video , a Sindhi Muslim is closer to a Sindhi Hindu than he is to a Bihari Muslim who is closer to a Bihari Hindu As for culture , Punjabi Muslim and Punjabi Hindu know about Heer Ranjha while Bengali Muslim and Hindu are mostly unaware Similarly , Bengali Muslim and Hindu know about Rabindra Sangeet but Punjabi Muslim and Hindu are mostly unaware
‼️All countries smuggled Nuclear technology even Russia. thoda research karo pehle..😂 Even Scientist Nambi Naraynan stole technology from Germany.. USA Stole, russian Sputnik and re-engineered.. China is No. 1 in that..
We can assure you that Adeel is a very well-informed individual. I would encourage you to examine his other work on history, sociology and cultural identity. Perhaps you will arrive at a different viewpoint 🙏
@@MukhbirNama I don't know if you'll believe it, but I didn't skip a single second! While I may have disagreed with a few points, I must say this is an incredibly great podcast. The host-sorry, I don’t know his name 😅-is a fantastic listener and responds with genuine passion. Truly impressive!
@@mehreenmalikk I totally believe you :) Thank you so much! I will certainly extend your felicitations to the host. Really appreciate your comments and hope that we can continue to produce quality content which is unskippable :)
Minorities in india doesnt face any execution don't propagate anything which you no idea of. We don't torture people based on blasphemy law. We had minority president and prime minister army generals air Marshall. And countless examples. And everything which is wrong in Pakistan does derived from wrong doings of other countries it's your own deeds
There are so many videos of hindus destroying churches and mosques, dancing in front of holy places of other religion, lynching minorities. This is your reality.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this complex topic. We appreciate the examples you've provided about the inclusion and success of minority communities in India, such as having minority leaders in various high-ranking positions. These examples certainly highlight some of the positive steps India has taken in terms of diversity and representation, and it’s encouraging to see minority voices in positions of influence. We recognize that without a doubt. At the same time, we also recognize that India, like any large and diverse country, has faced challenges with regard to its treatment of certain minority groups. There have been numerous reports from various reputable organizations like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International that detail instances where minorities, especially Sikhs, Muslims, and other communities, have voiced concerns over discrimination, both at social and institutional levels. Events such as the anti-Sikh riots in 1984, incidents of mob violence against Muslims, and recent controversies over citizenship laws have shown that there are still significant issues to address for India’s minorities. Pakistan indeed has a long journey ahead in terms of ensuring equal rights and protections for all religious communities. Religious discrimination remains a challenge, and we are committed to raising awareness and encouraging efforts for a more inclusive and tolerant society in Pakistan. We hope that as we work to address these issues in our own country, we can foster a spirit of collaboration and mutual support. By acknowledging these challenges openly, we believe both Pakistan and India can progress toward a future where every individual, regardless of their faith or background, can feel safe, valued, and respected. Thank you for being part of this conversation, and for engaging with our content in such a thoughtful manner 🙏
@@MukhbirNama tell me one think can non muslim have right to become president, army chief even pm but india have it, tum log ab bologe ki islamic he hum roj toh imf se karja lete ho kahe ke islamic Or han humare bare me bolne se pehle apna dekho hum masjid ke baher hindu ke haath se mar skte he per pakistan me masjid me hi mar diye jaenge or aaj hindu redical hua he uski bajah tum log ho jinhone suruat ki direct action tumne kiya tha hinduo ne nahi smjhe tum European ke gulam ho
@@raochauhan7060 Thank you for your comment. I completely understand where you’re coming from, and I agree that Pakistan should work towards allowing non-Muslims to reach any position, whether it's president, prime minister, or army chief. Jis tarah aapka nuktah-e-nazar hai, waqayi main bhi yeh sochta hoon ke Pakistan ko aur diversity aur inclusivity ko embrace karna chahiye. Aapne bilkul theek kaha kay Pakistan ko religious violence aur terrorism jese bohot se serious issues ka samna hai. Yeh humare liye ek challenge hai, lekin hum sab ko mil kar is ka samna karna chahiye. Humain yeh bhi yaad rakhna chahiye kay dono countries mein bohot si khubiyan hain aur dono ko apne apne masail bhi hain. In maslo ka hal yeh hai ke hum ek progressive aur positive nazariya rakhein, taake hum guzray howay kal se behtar ban sakain. kehtay hain na kay "Rome wasn't built in a day," waisay hi improvement bhi waqt aur koshish say hoti hai. Pakistan aur India dono kay log agar peace aur mutual respect kay saath aage barhen, toh hum aik behter aur khushhal future bana saktay hain. Aapke jese logon ka support bohot zaroori hai, aur umeed hai kay aap bhi hamare sath is journey mein shamil honge. Let’s work together to create a future jahan tolerance aur inclusivity hamare moashron ka hissa ban jaaye. Shukriya!
@@MukhbirNama Pakistan banne ki bajah kuch logo ke mafad the , or west ko sobiet ko rokna tha kyonki Nehru ki ideology socialist thi Punjab me sarkar ko muslim league ne hijack kiya behtar hota ki pakistan india aik hote mjhb ke name per do hi mulk bane he pak or israel ye sach he ki jin jamino per aaj log reh rahe he wo sikho ki thi, or waha phalistine ki jin per kabja kiye he , Pakistan ko create karne balo ne nafrati churan diya tha hindu hukumat hogi , Pakistan ko ange badana he toh mulla or military ke haath se hukumat chin kar educated awam ko deni hogi mtlb secular democratic state or ye mulla military alliance hone nahi degi kyonki fir india se alag hue hi kyo Kuch state aisi hoti he jinko ak dushman chahiye hota he survive ke liye taki awam ko churan dekar unko use kr sake india wo hi dushman he sach he india khud kabhi bhi pakistan ko invade krega hi nahi kyonki awam redical he hzn 1960 me jesi awam thi besi nahi he jia ul haq ne aisa nasur peda kiya he wo wo aag laga rahe he koi nahi vachega us aag me Or ttp khatra kam tlp bada khatra he pak ke liye kyonki mostly barelvi he ager ye redical hue toh islamabad dur nahi he isi aag se khel rahi he deobandi Or baki firke km the barelvi majority he
I hope you continued listening to the podcast as we do acknowledge the misuse of power by the state. We like to take a progressive and forward thinking view of things which can only happen once we have acknowledged the mistakes of the past. Thank you for sharing your thoughts 🙏
@@MukhbirNamathis again is a lie. "Progressive and forward thinking " is subjective in nature. The problem is, what ever you do, you have to verify with Islamic theology. And there goes, "Progressive and forward thinking ". 😂
@@hunk3891 I'm afraid you've made a huge assumption there. I really do not see it as a problem and I believe there is a way to see Islam as progressive and forward thinking. Unless of course you are too bigoted or closed minded to see it as an option. That too is a position I will completely respect if you choose to stand on it 🙏
@@MukhbirNama You believe and wish. Look around you. Look at Bangladesh. The society you are referring to always ends up in extremism. Your "way to see Islam as Progressive....." was tested several times in the past and its critics are being silenced by calling them Islamophobic. So, it is a lie spread by the liberal momineen. Both the liberal and the extremists have the same goal: To implement Quran 8.39.
Thori si debate thi aur thora sa podcast tha! Yehi toh woh mix hai jo humay lagta hai sab say best content! 😄 Umeed hay aap ko passand aya ho ga aur aap hamaysha ki tarah support kartay rahein gay. Shukriya! 😊
🤣😂 You funny fellow Indian bro's please stop lying and making up sh1te.. I know how minorities are treated in India I Live in India.. Minorities are the most persecuted in the world are in India.
I hope you can agree that minorities are persecuted everywhere in the world and it remains up to us to create solutions for them depending on the time and place we find ourselves. Let us think positively and work progressively towards a brighter future :)
Sher for jazbaati Napaks pretending to be IN (out of sharm??): Umar Bhar Ghalib Yahi Bhool Karta Raha: Dhool Chehare Pe Thee....... Aur Aaeena Saaf Karta Raha Arz kiya hai, Kashti bhi nahi badli, dariya bhi nahi badla Tum doobnay waalon ka jazba bhi nahi badla
Hai shouq-e-safar aisa, ik umr hui tum ne Manzil bhi nahi payi, aur raasta bhi nahi badla
Arz kiya HAH: Mujhe Jang-e-Azadi Ka Maza Maloom Hai, Balochon Par Zulm Ki Inteha Maloom Hai Mujhe Zindagi Bhar Pakistan Me Jeene ki Dua Na Do, Mujhe Pakistan me Saat Saal Jeeney Ki Saza Maloom Hai
The Host was more concise and composed than the guest; which, for me, is a faction of intelectuality. As brevity and composure reflects intelectual depth and control. Overall it was a nice debate; except at the point where the guest said "the Pakistan have not done anything wrong yet, leagaly." and the host clinched him hard.
Thank you so much for your thoughtful comment! We’re glad you enjoyed the discussion and found it intellectually engaging. The host’s intent in questioning the guest’s stance was not to “clinch” but rather to explore different perspectives, especially around sensitive topics like minority rights. We believe that true intellectual discourse benefits from hearing multiple sides of an argument, which helps in deepening our understanding and empathy. Adeel’s contributions, both on and off-screen, are indeed widely appreciated across Pakistan. His strong support for minority rights and progressive values has earned him much respect and admiration, and it was a pleasure to have him share his insights on the show. The host’s progressive vision fully aligns with Adeel’s, and our goal is to foster a platform where challenging conversations can lead to meaningful change. Thank you for recognizing the depth of the conversation, and we hope you’ll continue to join us as we work towards a more inclusive and progressive Pakistan🙏
@@MukhbirNama"I do acknowledge that both of you explored multiple facets of our society, with 'minority rights' being one of the focal points. As a casual viewer, I feel that Mr. Adeel seemed a bit different this time, as he had to struggled to substantiate some of his arguments. Overall, it was a healthy discussion. One philosophical question that haunts me, and one I would like to hear your perspectives on as people of reason: Is it just to label someone as a "minority"? Does such a label truly belong in an inclusive society? Or is it perhaps a concept left behind by our colonisers? What I believe is that our legacy places humanity, reason, and shared values above the exclusivity of being the "majority." Could this labeling be a form of mob mentality?
Thank you so much for acknowledging the healthy discussion in our podcast with Adeel Afzal. Providing such engaging and thought-provoking content is what we always strive for here 🙏 Addressing your philosophical question, I understand your concern about the labeling of certain groups as "minorities." It's an important dialogue to have. While I personally don't believe in labeling any group or individual in a way that diminishes their identity, it's important to recognize that the term "minority" has sociological and political definitions that are challenging to escape within the current structures of society. Mathematically, certain groups may simply be in a minority within a given region or country. Thus, labeling them as such is often a reflection of demographic realities. However, this doesn't have to mean a loss of identity or value. In my perspective, an inclusive society should not be a melting pot where differences are erased, but rather a vibrant salad bowl that celebrates diversity and inclusiveness. Perhaps one day, we will achieve a utopian society where the concept of minorities no longer exists, and everyone feels part of a unified whole. Until then, let's celebrate our rich diversity and work together towards a future where everyone, regardless of their background, can thrive. Your thoughts add depth to this ongoing conversation, and I appreciate your engagement with these important topics.
@@MukhbirNama I agree that the mathematical models often help analyze society empirically, but their socio-political repercussions can sometimes be adverse. Take the case of the Balochs: they contribute their fair share to the economy but remain a political minority. Shouldn't their representation in federal politics be significant enough to ensure a decisive say? The same applies to other marginalized groups-whether based on religion, urban/rural divides, education levels, the gated vs. ungated communities, or the socio-economic class. Our Society along with Pakistan’s federal structure must treat all cultural nations and societal groups as equal Pakistanis, transcending the majority-minority divide. Well Thanks for your valuable responces, I have learnt a lot, not only from your poadcast, but from your interactions to this chat, which is realy a valuale session for me. Keep uploading, keep educating us. Regards
@@urbannomad.8284 Thank you so much for your thoughtful comments and kind words! I couldn’t agree more with the points you raised, especially regarding the need for equitable representation for all societal groups in Pakistan, including the Baloch community and other marginalized groups. These are exactly the kinds of issues we aimed to highlight and discuss in the podcast. It is heartening to see your keen interest in these topics and your recognition of the importance of transcending majority-minority divides to build a more inclusive society in Pakistan. I believe a federal structure that treats every Pakistani as an equal stakeholder (irrespective of ethnicity, religion, or socio-economic class) is crucial for our collective progress. I must clarify, though, that I don’t see myself as an educator. There are people far more deserving of that title. However, I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation and value the opportunity to engage in meaningful dialogue. Your engagement and reflections have added depth to the discussion, and I hope to continue having such conversations in the future. Thank you once again for your support and encouragement. It means a lot. Stay tuned, and let’s keep learning together! 😊
@@pschhu most of them don't know sh!t what they are talking about.. all the home remedies shown are just pseudo science.. the real knowledge of daddi maa ke nuskhe has been lost somehow
We absolutely did. I hope you did watch through the entire episode to see that we see faults on both sides in terms of dealing with minorities and both Pakistan and India have often shown abysmal records when it comes to dealing with minorities much like many other nations. It is a sincere personal wish that we can build a world in the future where minorities are given their rights and can live safe in all countries without a hint of fear. I hope that you will join us in creating that forward-looking progressive world 🙏
@MukhbirNama I was talking about Adeel. Btw no should be wasting time of Yuvals books. It'll kill you brain cells. All of the US academy he's ridiculed for false history and thus false narratives. I'm cureently focusing on Relativity
@@DWAGON1818 I'm sure I'll be in a position to criticize the book once I've finished it :) I will let Adeel know about your question and hopefully get a response :) Stay tuned.
Punjab is a very welcoming province. Apparently one of the favorite pass-times of a Punjabi is to offer food to visitors! :) Food and Punjab are so intrinsically linked that what we globally call Indian cuisine often is an expansion of Punjabi cuisine. Welcome to Punjab! :)
@ Yes absolutely! Punjab is most diverse & hospitable province. There was a big influx of ppl from Karachi to Punjab becuz Karachi had too much crime prior to Rangers taking control of the city. On the other hand we had influx of People from KPK last 20-30 years, since terrorism started there (Time of Gen Musharaff)
On the contrary, the podcast never had any justifications for it. Just an explanation for why some people may do so. I would really appreciate it if you could listen with an attentive ear rather than jumping to conclusions 🙏
I think you might have misunderstood. That was in a completely different context with regard to drone attacks. I really hope that you have seen the production before making your comments 🙏
Thank you for letting me know who I am :) Many of us have spent a lifetime fighting against various labels that have been given by others so I will accept the label you've given as I take the others 🙏
I am a fan of adeel (although I am not agree with is point of view always ) that's why I am here but I must say from now I also become a fan of anchor his voice and way of talking is awesome
@MukhbirNama As a Indian I love to know about more history of Raja Dahir, Purshottam (porus) , Chanakya and how invaders demolished and ruined the history of that area plz call historian next time. Thankyou
Thank you so much for your interest and for sharing your thoughts! Many Pakistani historians indeed take a nuanced and respectful view of figures like Raja Dahir, Porus, and Chanakya. There are Pakistanis who admire these individuals for their courage and dedication in defending their lands against external invaders. Historical figures like these are often appreciated for their resistance and resilience, and their legacy resonates with many across borders. I hope you had a chance to watch the entire podcast, as we do delve into talking about such individuals including Ranjeet Singh and Mehmood Ghaznavi. This is an example of our aim to approach history without bias, seeking instead to understand it from multiple perspectives. We strive to present a balanced view rather than simply following one narrative, which I hope comes through in both our current and past content, as well as in what’s to come. Thank you again for engaging with us, and we look forward to bringing more conversations that explore history from various viewpoints.
@MukhbirNama You did a "not in my name " thing while explaining sufis. The truth is those who persecuted people (hindus) are also sufis. This "othering the bad apples" is a nice failed tactics.
@@MukhbirNama when you said, "some of them are not sufis as they are bad people", you basically associated anything good with sufis and did not own the bad ones. Just like the "not in my name" campaign by the Muslims after every terrorist attack. First step towards solution is to own a problem, not rejecting it.
Oh absolutely. I completely agree with you on that regard that individuals who came from outside to invade and conquer India were indeed villains in the view of the locals. We had an extensive discussion about it within the podcast when we talked about Ranjeet Singh. I really hope you got a chance to see that too 🙏
@MukhbirNama zia ul haq was just another extremist. Without zia, Pakistani society would have still managed to reach a point of no return. You are basically snaring the fundamentalist while sparing the fundamentals. Zia ul Haq was a phenomenon, which was bound to happen in pakistan.
I am sorry but I am not quite sure I understand. I'm sure you know that the dictator came in by disrupting a democratic government and imposing his own vision and rule on the country. To call that 'bound to happen' is like saying it is inevitable that a liberal benign ruler will also come to Pakistan? As I said, you are entitled to your opinion but most serious historians and social analysts do blame Zia for taking Pakistan towards a different path.
Janab Kia kahein? Humne kabhi apnay aap ko intellectual ka darja nahi diya! Agar kuch hain to sirf zindagi bhar zindagi say seekhne walay hein. Aur jehan tak mujhe pata hai, main kisi baraat mein jane ka plan bhi nahi rakhta. Aapki comment parhne ka maza aaya, shukriya! 😊
Thank you for your feedback! Hum samajhte hain kay yeh stories kuch logon kay liye shayad familiar hon, lekin Pakistan ka culture aur history itnay layered hain kay har baat ko samajhne kay liye different perspectives zaroori hain. Yeh bhi ho sakta hai kay har listener in kahaniyon ko is depth kay saath na jaanta ho. Aur Sahab kabhi kabhi purani kahaniyan aik nayay nazariye se sunne ka apna maza hota hay. Janab-e-wala main kabhi yeh daawa nahi karta kay yeh discussions purely intellectual hien, aur agar aapko yeh intellectually satisfying nahi lagien toh main is ke liye mazratkhwa hoon. Aap jaisay viewers kay feedback se hi hamari behtari hoti hai, aur main zaroor aage chal kar topics mein aur improvement laane ki koshish karunga. Agar aapke paas koi specific topics hain jo aap discuss hote dekhna chahte hain ya jo aapke interest kay hain, toh zaroor batayein. Hum chaahenge kay ye platform sirf aik taraf say discussion na ho, balke aap jaise viewers bhi apne ideas share karen aur hum mil kar kuch naye topics explore kar sakein. Shukriya!
@@MukhbirNama thank you. I guess my comment was bit mean. I am sorry. You should discuss why do people don't like to think critically. Why our education system is not producing thinkers. Lame say lame idea b Kuch ban Sakta hai. Why people have stop thinking. Imagination b ni hai. Imagine Kar k hi problem solving hoti hai. May be because we don't like arts.
@@iffatabbas5391 You are absolutely right! A lot of the issues that Pakistan faces stem from the problem we have with education and a lack of critical thinking amongst the people. I really hope that the future has more room for education as it seems to be the only way Pakistan can get out of the various messes it is involved in. I thank you sincerely for your apology and believe that your words were coming from a place of passion which I can always respect. Thanks Again!
@@hunk3891 Again, most serious historians consider Sir Syed and his positions to be a key point in the history of India. However, I totally respect your opinion even though I am not certain I understand it. I am not really sure what you are asking with regard to Islamic mentality? Are you seriously asking me to give you the most common Islamic mentality as a representative of the global hive mind of the Muslims from Morocco to Japan? I'm not sure if you are having a serious discussion or simply trying to show how in your (rather obviously bigoted) opinion; Islam is the main issue with the world today 😁
@MukhbirNama again. Whenever someone raises a question, you guys reply in the same way. Tell me, what should be the relationship between a Muslim and an idol worshipper ( or polytheists) in the light of Islamic jurisprudence? Is it possible for Muslims to live under the religious rules of a ruler who is either an idol worshipper or a polytheist?
Again, I am sorry but the question is just too generic. Which jurisprudence in what era and with which vision? I feel that you are seeking answers from someone who represents ALL Muslims in the world and I'm really not sure if we can find such a person. I will agree though that we respond in the same way which is honestly and as politely as we can while trying to fully understand the question. I am really sorry if the answers are unsatisfactory 🙏
Ah, ‘Momineen’-what an honorable title, but I make no claim to be a good one! I’m just out here trying my best, fumbling through life like everyone else, and leaving the rest up to the universe. Think of me as a work in progress, with plenty of room for improvement. Thanks for keeping me on my toes! 😄
I can assure you Adeel was being quite serious and many historians would agree with him. The role of Pakistan and the Afghan jihad in contributing to the dissolution of the Soviet Union is a well-known subject. The Afghan conflict was one of the factors that strained the Soviet Union economically, militarily, and politically. As you may know, In 1979 the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan to support the communist government in Kabul against growing insurgencies. This invasion was met with resistance from the Afghan Mujahideen, who received significant support from Pakistan, the United States, Saudi Arabia, and other allies. The conflict lasted a decade and became a key battleground of the Cold War. Pakistan played a pivotal role in the Afghan jihad. Pakistan hosted millions of Afghan refugees and became a hub for Mujahideen fighters. Training camps were established in border regions, particularly in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, where fighters were recruited and armed. The Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) of Pakistan coordinated the training and funding of these fighters, working closely with the CIA and Saudi Arabia, who provided extensive financial and logistical support. The United States also played a critical role by funding the Afghan jihad through "Operation Cyclone," one of the most expensive covert operations of the Cold War. Saudi Arabia contributed matching funds and encouraged the participation of foreign fighters, spreading a global jihadist ideology. This alliance between Pakistan, the U.S., and Saudi Arabia ensured that the Mujahideen were well-equipped to resist the Soviet forces. In the end, the Afghan war had profound consequences for the Soviet Union. Economically, the war drained billions of dollars annually from the USSR, exacerbating its already fragile economy. Militarily, it resulted in heavy casualties, with over 15,000 Soviet soldiers killed and many more wounded. Politically, the prolonged conflict was deeply unpopular within the Soviet Union, fueling dissent and undermining confidence in the communist regime. These failures contributed to Mikhail Gorbachev’s policies of glasnost (openness) and perestroika (restructuring), which inadvertently accelerated the collapse of the Soviet Union itself. Please go ahead and deny history only if you choose to.
*3:20** dunia ko Pakistan se compare mat karo dunia me discrimination individual ya social level pe hote h Pakistan me to constitution hi discrimination kar deta h to society ke bare me to na hi bataye* 🙏🙏🙏 *For your kind information koi v country kitna hi prospouros kyu na ho jaye but individual & social discrimination ke cases khatam nahi kar sakta but Pakistan ka to problem hi Islam & constitution h*
I will agree with you that the problem does lay somewhere in the constitution as it does need to be brought more in line with a progressive world view but it would be hard to place the problem with Islam. It is simply a religion which may be interpreted by different individuals at different times in different ways. While no country can claim to end individual or social discrimination all countries should aim towards reducing and eliminating it as much as they can :)
@@MukhbirNamado you have guts to bring an ex-muslim and have an honest discussion on Islam and Quran ????? No you don't have intellectual honesty nor courage do that !!!!
@@sudhakarduraiswamy3358 I believe all discussions must be honest and based on intellectual curiosity regardless of the subject being discussed. I hope you take the same stance 🙏
@@sudhakarduraiswamy3358 Happily! We'd be happy to conduct a conversation with anyone under the sun as long as it is intellectually sound and respectful to everyone 🙏
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I can assure you that Nagaland’s history with India is indeed complex and has been a topic of discussion for decades. To clarify, the issues surrounding Nagaland stem from its unique cultural identity, the demand for autonomy, and tensions between local communities and the central government of India. Since India’s independence, Nagaland has seen armed insurgencies led by groups demanding sovereignty. The Naga National Council (NNC) began this movement, declaring independence in 1947, which led to conflicts that persisted for decades. The demand for 'Greater Nagaland' or 'Nagalim,' including areas from neighboring states and Myanmar, added further tension.Nagaland has also been under the controversial AFSPA for decades, allowing Indian security forces to operate with broad powers, which has led to allegations of human rights abuses. Many Naga civilians feel alienated due to these measures. As recently as 2021, a tragic incident in Mon District took place where Indian security forces killed several civilians due to mistaken identity during a counter-insurgency operation. That incident sparked significant protests and brought global attention to the region's unresolved tensions. Of course, while there has been a peace process initiated including the 2015 Framework Agreement between the Indian government and the NSCN-IM (National Socialist Council of Nagaland-Isak-Muivah), a lasting resolution remains elusive. Disagreements over the Naga flag, constitution, and territorial demands hinder progress. I believe that Nagaland's situation is a reminder of the challenges in managing diverse cultures and histories within a single national framework. I hope you will agree that It’s essential to approach such discussions with empathy and an understanding of historical and political contexts.
@MukhbirNama Sir yaha pe jo b likha hai wo aapne kahi se bas aise hi utha k copy paste kar diya isme aadhi baatein aise hi hain bas but it's very nice of you that you're replying to your every viewer personally over their concerns. Thanks 👍🏻
@@AnuragSingh-c8i2h Sahab yeh research hay aur bohat si batien yaad bhi reh jaati hein. Humari poori koshish hoti hay kay jo bhi hum say baat karay hum adab aur ehtram kay saath uss kay samnay apni baat rakh dein. App ki har sahi baat say hum billajijhak mutafiq hein aur jo bhi zuban ho ussi zuban mein jawab daytay hein jehan tak ho sakay. Umeed hay hum aysay hi dostana mahol mein baat cheet kartay rahein gay takay hum sab insano ki behtari kay liye kuch kar sakein 🙏
It's unfortunate that when there was Sindhi language bill riots against Sjndhis in the 70s, the Punjabi settlers in Sindh have taken side with urdu speakings against sindhi language. I, as a child, didn't understand till I came to Lahore to settle down that we punjabis just hate our own language.
Thank you for sharing this important perspective. We fully support the rights of indigenous languages across the world and believe that all languages of Pakistan, including Sindhi and Punjabi, deserve strong support and patronage. Language is a vital part of cultural identity, and it’s essential that each community feels pride in its linguistic heritage. It is heartening to see efforts being made today across Pakistan to revitalize and promote these languages. There are indeed encouraging signs of a cultural resurgence, and we hope this momentum continues, allowing both Punjabi and Sindhi to thrive and gain the recognition they deserve. Let us not repeat the mistakes of the 70s. Thank you again for your thoughtful comment, and for helping to keep language alive!
@@DilipKumar-o6e5k That is a very interesting data point. While a lot of Urdu speakers did move to Pakistan there wasn't any shortage of Punjabis who moved from one side of the border to the other. Partition was a very dark period of our history and I am not sure if there is any point scoring to be done there :(
@@MukhbirNama So Killing 15 Million Muslims by Indian Hindu's is point scoring to you? 50,000 mosques were destroyed by our Indian Hindu's not forgetting the Rapes of Muslim teens, girls and women by Hindus rivers turned red my family told horrific stories..
I'm afraid you might have completely missed the point of the podcast as described in the beginning. We are just trying to have a real and entertaining conversation about Pakistan and that naturally covers the mistakes Pakistanis have made along with a comparison to other countries around the world. This helps us understand "what went wrong" which is the basic question asked at the beginning. I hope you can help us recognize other mistakes which we can try and find solutions for in Pakistan 🙏
@@MukhbirNama I just feel everytime so called intellectual of Pakistan keeps saying what’s happening in India with minorities this and that and just equate it with what’s happening in Pakistan.. how is it same?? By law all citizens are equal in India .. so there can’t be comparison at all .. and every year thousands of Pakistani Hindus apply for visas to come to India .. not a single oppressed minority of India specially Muslim didnt appmt for Pakistani visa .. so just saying in India Muslims are oppressed is not a right thing to do by seeing one news article or whatever!!
Thank you for sharing your perspective. Just to clarify, we don’t aspire to be seen as intellectuals of Pakistan; rather, we’re simply individuals trying to engage with a number of issues openly and honestly. We absolutely agree that Pakistan has significant challenges when it comes to ensuring fair treatment and opportunities for its Hindu, Sikh, Christian, and other minority communities. These issues are real, and we believe they deserve serious attention and action. Oppression, wherever it occurs (whether in Pakistan, India, or elsewhere) is unacceptable, and it’s something we must collectively address. This was the message given by Hussain (RA) and many other individuals who willingly laid down their lives to protect the weak and the innocent. It’s not about drawing comparisons but rather recognizing that injustice in any place affects us all and warrants awareness and dialogue. I sincerely hope you’ll join us in discussing these issues openly, learning more about their complexities, and encouraging positive change across all borders. Thank you again for engaging with us in such a thoughtful and healthy manner. 🙏
Sahab Bakhuda hum jhoot nahi boltay! Yan Ziada nahi boltay :) Magar masoom zarror hein kyon kay Pakistan ko samajnay ki koshish kar rahay hein. Umeed hay kay aap ka iss mein sath rahay ga :)
Ya phir Arab Turk Irani Afghans qasim ghori ghazni Babar Aurangzeb nadir Shah abdali ki indian subcontinent ki begairat behaya converted musalminas se hue rape jihad aur islamic halala ki sachi paidaish taqqiaya baaz *ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF HIRA MANDI PORKISTAN BHIKHARISTAN GURBATZADA PAKISTAN* ka sacha musalman😂😂😂😂
India ka minorities ke saath kyaa saloook hai bhaai???? Bu law every citizen is equal.. but what about u guys?? Justifying what’s happening in ur country just by saying it’s also happening in Other countries 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I want to clarify that our intention was not to justify any issues faced by minorities here or elsewhere. Pointing out global challenges faced by minority communities isn't about deflecting attention or engaging in whataboutism. Instead, it's an acknowledgment that these issues are complex and exist across various societies, from developing nations to those considered first-world. In highlighting this, we aim to encourage dialogue on how both Pakistan and India, along with other nations, can make strides towards inclusivity and equality. Every country has its own journey and challenges, and it’s our hope that, over time, both our nations will progress toward creating safe, respectful environments for all communities. Minority rights have to be protected everywhere and we hope they will be better protected in Pakistan and India. We appreciate your engagement and hope you'll support these efforts toward a more inclusive future for everyone.
You're absolutely right! It is a huge issue that needs to be addressed in a positive way. I would recommend looking at Ghamdi Sahab's take on the issue for a better understanding of it.
@@MukhbirNama I m reading the root cause of communalism in subcontinent suddhi, devbandi, Barelvi, farazi and other so called religious reformists movements,role of east india company...the international situation
Why Muslim wants to show themselves outsiders...are arabs or central asian were better than subcontinent population...history tells otherwise in all aspects...but then how will they justify and counter the tount from Hindus...why Barelvi because Hindus god shown to have superowers and when in debate Muslim have to show that their prophet is equivalent to ram and Krishna and had super powers....hence comes extra glorification of human messenger...
I'm afraid I won't be able to add much to your point about Barelvis and Hindu gods as my knowledge there is severely limited but I will agree with you that a large number of Muslims in India and Pakistan rightly or wrongly claim Arab, Afghan or Persian ancestry. However, they also connect with people within their regions regardless of their religions or differences thereof. It is easy to see that progressive and forward thinking individuals will not consider religion to be a barrier when it comes to having good connections with their neighbors. I hope that you do the same as we do :)
As my comment is being hidden i will put my point here @MukhbirNama hi buddy sorry I didn't reply earlier.. I will be a fool to claim everything to be hanky Dory.. it's far from it.. in fact none of the countries are perfect for this.. i mean we never judge the Europeans upon the treatment of the Romani gypsy.. even today but I have a simple scale I judge any minorities in simple matrices.. A simple fact based questions.. what would the case be theologically had it been a vice versa situation .. example if you find treatment of Muslim disrespectful.. would the Muslim behaviour be same or worse had the been in power.. and historically and factual logic it has been that Muslim have not been great with it minorities.. it is impossible for non Muslim to live in these islamic country.. The Persian left for india.. The Afghanistan lost it Buddhist monastery Etc etc.. Christian theologically have not been great with the pegan culture.. be it in Africa or Americans Comparison Hindu culture has quite welcoming.. But one thing we just need to understand that Hindu culture has been so accommodating that even a sight resistance to the status quo is being seen as a brutal attack on non Hindu minorities .. whne the reality is they are just defending thier religion.. Religion is very personal for Hindu so Converting from Hindu religion is seen as a personal attack on thier existence And whne islam has a law that prohibits leaving Islam by capital punishment isn't it hypocrisy to let others not defending themselves.. I judge any country with the opportunity it creates and is a there a genuine claim for any person who is from any religion sect or creed can aspire to be.. Indian constitution is, that never cared about your religion while creating opportunities.. hence we all succeed in education and wealth.. Muslim took undue advantage of the population boom.. and increased population size. Rather than economic development
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I’d like to clarify that I absolutely do judge European societies for their historical treatment of minorities, including the Romani people and Jews, particularly during the horrors of the Second World War. Europe has faced painful reckonings for these events, and while it's a journey that has led to reforms and self-reflection, the subcontinent may still be navigating its own process of coming to terms with historical complexities. I deeply hope that, unlike the violent upheavals witnessed in history, our region’s path can be one of peaceful progress and reconciliation. Regarding the treatment of minorities in Islamic and other religious contexts, history shows us a diverse spectrum. Muslim rulers, like all rulers, were influenced by the politics and power structures of their times. There are countless examples of Muslim leaders and communities coexisting harmoniously with diverse religious groups, and instances where tensions flared due to political motives or social upheaval rather than religious doctrine alone. As we discussed in our podcast, everyday individuals from various religious backgrounds have coexisted peacefully, even sharing meals and celebrations together-an example of how personal connections can bridge cultural and religious divides. On the matter of apostasy, Islamic teachings do indeed contain different interpretations, and it’s crucial to recognize that views on this issue have historically varied and continue to be debated. In modern times, this is often seen as a matter of civil rather than purely theological law. Progressive voices in many Muslim-majority societies argue for freedom of belief, aiming to adapt interpretations to contemporary understandings of human rights and individual freedom. You rightly highlight the accomplishments of the Indian constitution in providing opportunities regardless of religious background, which has been instrumental in fostering relative social mobility. Pakistan, too, had a strong foundation, but the legacy of Zia-ul-Haq’s policies disrupted this, embedding divisions in ways we are still addressing. Many forward-looking Pakistanis are actively working to restore and build upon the original inclusive vision for our country. We hope to foster a more equitable and inclusive society that transcends religious and cultural boundaries. Constructive dialogue with our neighbors, friends, and people like yourself can be a meaningful step in building a better future. Thank you again for engaging with us, and we hope you’ll join us in supporting and encouraging these shared aspirations 🙏
@@hunk3891 Again, I am not sure if any of your questions are really serious. Not sure how to answer a question about the connection between names and cultures :(
@@MukhbirNama expected. That is why you guys will never find a solution as you are searching it in the wrong place. Let me rephrase it. Can a Muslim in pakistan have a name like , "Ajay or Vijay or Ranjit"?
I'm sure a Muslim could have any name in the world just as any other follower of some other religion could have a name. Again I am not sure if you are asking me to give you probabilistic model for names in various cultures or what names have been given through the centuries to Muslims or Hindus?
Responding to this is a delicate matter but I will be as honest as possible. Abdul Qadeer Khan is a complex figure in Pakistan’s history. While he was celebrated as the "father" of Pakistan's nuclear program, his reputation was clouded by significant controversies. Dr. Khan was accused of proliferating nuclear technology to countries like Iran, North Korea, and Libya. These actions, which he admitted to later, cast a long shadow over his legacy and led many within and outside Pakistan to view him with suspicion. This revelation ultimately tarnished his image internationally, as it contradicted the ethical standards expected of nuclear scientists. Despite the mixed legacy of Dr. Khan, Pakistan has been home to many brilliant scientists who have made contributions without controversy. A prime example is Dr. Abdus Salam, Pakistan’s first Nobel laureate in Physics, who won the prize in 1979 for his work in theoretical physics. Dr. Salam’s contributions in electroweak theory were groundbreaking, and he is remembered globally as a scientific hero. At our channel, we honor Pakistan’s scientists who exemplify integrity, commitment to peaceful progress, and scientific curiosity. Scientists like Dr. Salam are our true heroes, and we hope to inspire the next generation to pursue knowledge that benefits humanity. Thank you for the comment, and let’s continue celebrating those who bring positive change!
Haha, you’ve hit on something we often joke about! It’s been said that in Pakistan, half the people seem to be arsonists, lighting fires of divisiveness, while the other half are the firefighters, working tirelessly to put them out. At our channel, we’re definitely in the firefighter camp, trying to keep the flames of hate and bigotry from spreading. We truly hope you’ll join us in this mission to protect Pakistan’s future. Let’s focus on building a country we can all appreciate, one that thrives on unity, peace, and understanding :)
یہ ایک سنجیدہ الزام ہے جس کا جواب دینا ضروری ہے۔ ہم نے کبھی نہ کسی پر اپنی سوچ مسلط کی ہے اور نہ ہی ایسا کرنے کا ارادہ رکھتے ہیں۔ ہم آزادیٔ اظہار اور آزادیٔ رائے کو بنیادی انسانی حق سمجھتے ہیں اور اس کے خلاف کسی بھی مؤقف کو اپنانے کا تصور بھی نہیں کر سکتے۔ اگر ہماری کسی بات یا عمل سے آپ کو ایسا تاثر ملا ہے، تو برائے مہربانی ہمیں ضرور آگاہ کریں تاکہ ہم اپنی غلطی کو سمجھ سکیں۔ اگر واقعی ہم سے ایسا کچھ ہوا ہے، تو ہم پیشگی معذرت خواہ ہیں۔ آپ کی رائے ہمارے لیے نہایت اہم ہے، اور ہم ہمیشہ تعمیری مکالمے کے لیے تیار ہیں۔ شکریہ کہ آپ نے اپنی بات ہم تک پہنچائی🙏
I'll gladly summarize an answer for you. Most of the minorities have left Pakistan or at the very least those who were able to get out of Pakistan. They have exited due to the problems they faced and there is no qualm or issue in admitting that. Minorities have had significant problems in Pakistan over the past decades and it is now up to progressive and forward thinking Pakistanis to try and salvage the situation as best as they can. Protecting the minorities in Pakistan is certainly important for civil society and the government. Please understand that we have no issues admitting where the Pakistani people have gone wrong in the past and hope to see Pakistan progress towards a better tomorrow 🙏 I hope you can do the same for India and the rest of the world.
Vishal do you have a br@in? in 1971 India attacked East-Pakistan. East-Pak had majority Hindu's and When Bangladesh was created Our India Govt brought Hindus from Bangladesh and any remaining they themselves came to India... Very few remained..
Thank you for sharing your perspective! We believe each listener may take away something unique from our episodes, as every person resonates differently with the topics discussed. Regarding drones vs. bravery, it's essential to recognize the serious impact that drone attacks have had on communities in certain regions of Pakistan. This issue has been raised on various international platforms including the United Nation and even Indian authors have spoken out against these attacks. This goes to simply highlight the complex and deeply sensitive nature of the topic. We hope you understand our intention to address these subjects with care and balance and that you’ll continue to support our efforts in creating thoughtful, meaningful discussions.
Thank you for your comment! I am afraid though that I have to respectfully disagree with the “Madarsa-podcast” label. If you listen to the full episode, you’ll find that our discussions actually focus on fostering a progressive, inclusive, and forward-looking perspective on Pakistan’s culture, history, and future. Our goal is to explore Pakistan’s heritage with a critical eye and a modern mindset, consciously avoiding any alignment with traditionalist or madrassa-based ideologies. In all honesty, we believe in presenting a balanced view, emphasizing the need for Pakistan’s growth as a modern nation, free from any restrictive influence of madrassa ideology. Simply put, wherever the people of Pakistan have made mistakes, we will highlight them, acknowledge them and try to figure out ways to correct those mistakes. Our platform aims to encourage thoughtful conversations on culture, society, and identity, and we invite you to engage with us in building a progressive future for Pakistan and the world 🙏
@@MukhbirNama I really do appreciate the amount of effort you put to reply to everyones comment. I also appreciate the fact that you replied very politely & humbly to my Comment which sound very discriminatory to lot of Viewers. .. ... ... But I dont like Sugarcoating my words just to please anyone. And yes.. You may sound Intelligent but the fact will and always remain that a your entire podcast was revolving around your perspective. I dont give damn to what US & UK think of Iraq and Libya & Syria... or what propaganda tool they used to level a country. My concern is what Iraq did when those Western Powers were trying to install a democracy. As usual, Pakistani plants a groomy picture of themselves as poor people who suffered due to their fight against Terrorism but will never accept that your own country is infact a Terrorist Sympathizer Country. Your country saw your economy booming under Coalition Support Fund under Musharraf's Rule when Dollars were being paid to roll Jihadis, Talibans from Pak Madarsa.. yet you are the Victim? Your Army Chief Yahya Khan ordered the rapes of Million Bangladeshi Women and killed Millions of Innocent Civilians in 1971, and yet you brushed it all under the carpet in the start of podcast - as if it was nothing. - TALKS A LOT ABOUT YOUR MORAL COMPASS. 🤔 Anyway.. since you took time and effort to write me in the Comment Section, I took it an Honour to write it back how your Perspective isnt all right and everything said was true. 👍
@@Kumar_KakaG Thank you for sharing your thoughts so openly. We always aim to produce content and respond in ways we can stand by with pride. I genuinely appreciate your honesty and respect the passion behind your words, as they clearly come from a place of deep conviction. As I'm sure you'd agree, even the Indian media has acknowledged the suffering Pakistan has endured due to terrorism, both homegrown and foreign. Our podcast inevitably reflects our own perspectives, as that’s where our conversation starts, but we strive to be balanced and fair. On the subject of 1971 and the tragedy in Bangladesh, we absolutely recognize it as a dark and painful chapter in Pakistan’s history. It was a tragedy we do not take lightly, and we made an effort to address it with the gravity it deserves. Like you, we believe that acknowledging these past mistakes is essential. Our hope is that by doing so, we can all learn from them and work toward a more progressive and inclusive future. Thank you again for engaging so thoughtfully, and I hope we can continue to have meaningful discussions that contribute to this shared vision 🙏
Thanks for putting together such an engaging and informative episode. Your analysis brought a fresh perspective to some complex issues, this kind of content is rare and much needed.
Looking forward to more content like this!"
Love from India 🙌❤️
Thank you so much for your kind words and appreciation! It truly means a lot to hear this, especially from our friends across the border in India. We’re grateful for the love and support we receive from viewers like you who share our passion for meaningful and insightful discussions. We genuinely believe that both Pakistan and India have a rich cultural heritage and a shared history that binds us in unique ways, and it’s beautiful to see how our content resonates with people on both sides.
At our channel, we strive to create conversations that foster understanding and shed light on the complexities of our shared past and present. We hope that by learning from one another, both of our nations can build a future rooted in respect, peace, and prosperity. Looking forward to bringing you more episodes that explore and celebrate our cultural connections. Much love and respect back to you from Pakistan!
3:24 as an Indian so called minority Christian I can confidently say that I am blessed to be born on this side of the borderline and I have never been discriminated against in this beautiful country..
the true so called minorities in are the most prosperous one . Eg top educated are 1st Jain 94% and 2nd Christian 84% and buddist 3rd 80% most wealthy are Sikh and Christian and Parsi.. earning per capita 2-3x of national per capita
When you say Muslim minorities sorry when you are 14% or 25 cr and essentially the second or third largest Muslim nation.. don't call yourself minorities... you are essentially the second majority..
And you are trying to establish your rule.. and the natives will push back..
By definition muslims are minority just like jains christian and other religious groups....I know y'all are bootlickersss but still have some knowledge and learn the meaning of majority and minority...this doesn't look good on u especially as an educated christian 😂😂
i think you do not know the definition of minorities, muslims are in minority. stop destroying churches and mosques.
Go read the meaning of minority. Your education is shown clearly.
He is acting like an intellectual without much substance. Him saying how did the nuclear tech reach Russia proves how much he knows about things and says them with pseudo confidence.
It’s heartening to hear that you've had a positive experience as a Christian in India. Your experience, while unique and positive, is indeed a form of anecdotal evidence-personal stories can offer valuable insights but may not reflect the full range of experiences across diverse communities. Both India and Pakistan face issues related to discrimination across religious, gender, caste, and ethnic lines, and these challenges impact different groups in distinct ways.
There are indeed documented cases of discrimination in both India and Pakistan. In India, various reports, including those from organizations like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, highlight issues faced by marginalized groups, including Muslims, Dalits, and others, especially in social, political, and economic spheres. Similarly, discrimination based on religion and other factors is a reality in Pakistan, where religious minorities sometimes face significant societal pressures and legal restrictions.
Your point about India’s minority communities being statistically prosperous in education and economic metrics is interesting and holds true in many contexts. However, such statistics do not negate the reality of discrimination some individuals and groups face. Prosperity at a national level does not always protect minorities from experiencing local discrimination or prejudice, just as representation in certain sectors does not necessarily equate to social equality.
Regarding the notion of Muslim "rule" in India, it’s important to clarify that, to the best of available data and analyses, there are no serious, large-scale political or social movements aiming to establish religious rule. Most Muslim-led initiatives focus on social justice, anti-discrimination efforts, or community empowerment, rather than political dominance.
Our aim with this channel is to foster awareness about such issues and encourage dialogue that contributes to understanding and change. We believe that acknowledging these challenges is essential in working toward a more inclusive and fair society. Awareness, empathy, and open-mindedness are steps toward a progressive world where discrimination on any basis e.g. religion, race, caste, or gender can be addressed constructively. I hope that you will join us in these efforts and I thank you for sharing your perspective on this complex issue.
In Shah Allah punjab ty punjabia arooj ty ay gi fer ❤❤! Baki sub lai vi bohat Izat muhabbat sub mil k in masail se nikaly gy!! In Shah Allah
Thank you so much for saying that. I really appreciate your sentiment about doing this together ♥
@MukhbirNama ❤️
UK, USA people are not exploding in jihadi activities, their cities are not attacked by their own people. This is the difference.
I'm in complete agreement with you. The problems of the US with school shootings and other forms of violence are symptoms of what is going on there. Violence in all forms is wrong and as have explained within the podcast we do not condone it.
In short, Islam is the globle issue
Accept it and address it
I'm really surprised that is the message you got. I really do not think Islam is an issue for Pakistan or for the globe therefore it would be difficult to address it. From what was described in the podcast it is individuals within some countries that make decisions which impact whole nations. Those individuals are the real issue if we take an unbiased look at the situation. I hope you can appreciate our viewpoint there 😕
No saving Pakistan!!!
Islam will take your country down further .....
We are going to enjoy this !!!!
Who is this collective 'We'?
@@MukhbirNama
Lol this is the quality of the so called "intellectual" class. 😂
These intellectuals or so called educated class still cannot understand the contradictions between what they talk/ want and what quran/ islam allows.
Keep living in delusion and what-aboutary .
Your country is intellectually and morally corrupt !!!! ( Proven by the absoule lack of morality and law order in the country and the further proven by the crimes committed by Pakistanis abroad )
Pakistan is destined to be an unstable & headache nation for the world !!!!
10:58 exactly 👍
Proponents of Two nation theory assume that subcontinent Muslims are a monolith
Where in reality , they are as diverse as Europe with different languages and cultures in spite of having same religion
The two state theory was the ground result of the two nation theory. Iqbal never said we are a monolith in terms of statehood.
@DWAGON1818 what is the two state theory ?
@shatnermohanty6678 the way the two nation theory is realized. It's what was proposed.
@@DWAGON1818 please elaborate
What was proposed and what was realised ?
@DWAGON1818 two nation theory says Hindus and Muslims cannot live together as they have different languages cultures etc
But , like it was said in this video , a Sindhi Muslim is closer to a Sindhi Hindu than he is to a Bihari Muslim who is closer to a Bihari Hindu
As for culture , Punjabi Muslim and Punjabi Hindu know about Heer Ranjha while Bengali Muslim and Hindu are mostly unaware
Similarly , Bengali Muslim and Hindu know about Rabindra Sangeet but Punjabi Muslim and Hindu are mostly unaware
Your nuclear weapons technology was smuggled from different countries and not an indigenous development.
So what???????.
‼️All countries smuggled Nuclear technology even Russia. thoda research karo pehle..😂
Even Scientist Nambi Naraynan stole technology from Germany..
USA Stole, russian Sputnik and re-engineered..
China is No. 1 in that..
Daar Khun Raha bhai😅😅
Look at the comments in the replies. Is this how Muslims react to facts?
@@muhammadumairafzal2754 only beggars like your country
Kudos to this intellectually capable host to tolerate such pathetically informed guest
We can assure you that Adeel is a very well-informed individual. I would encourage you to examine his other work on history, sociology and cultural identity. Perhaps you will arrive at a different viewpoint 🙏
24:35 you are 1000000% right!!!!!
Thank you so much for saying so :)
@@MukhbirNama I don't know if you'll believe it, but I didn't skip a single second! While I may have disagreed with a few points, I must say this is an incredibly great podcast. The host-sorry, I don’t know his name 😅-is a fantastic listener and responds with genuine passion. Truly impressive!
@@mehreenmalikk I totally believe you :) Thank you so much! I will certainly extend your felicitations to the host. Really appreciate your comments and hope that we can continue to produce quality content which is unskippable :)
Minorities in india doesnt face any execution don't propagate anything which you no idea of.
We don't torture people based on blasphemy law. We had minority president and prime minister army generals air Marshall. And countless examples.
And everything which is wrong in Pakistan does derived from wrong doings of other countries it's your own deeds
There are so many videos of hindus destroying churches and mosques, dancing in front of holy places of other religion, lynching minorities. This is your reality.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this complex topic. We appreciate the examples you've provided about the inclusion and success of minority communities in India, such as having minority leaders in various high-ranking positions. These examples certainly highlight some of the positive steps India has taken in terms of diversity and representation, and it’s encouraging to see minority voices in positions of influence. We recognize that without a doubt.
At the same time, we also recognize that India, like any large and diverse country, has faced challenges with regard to its treatment of certain minority groups. There have been numerous reports from various reputable organizations like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International that detail instances where minorities, especially Sikhs, Muslims, and other communities, have voiced concerns over discrimination, both at social and institutional levels. Events such as the anti-Sikh riots in 1984, incidents of mob violence against Muslims, and recent controversies over citizenship laws have shown that there are still significant issues to address for India’s minorities.
Pakistan indeed has a long journey ahead in terms of ensuring equal rights and protections for all religious communities. Religious discrimination remains a challenge, and we are committed to raising awareness and encouraging efforts for a more inclusive and tolerant society in Pakistan.
We hope that as we work to address these issues in our own country, we can foster a spirit of collaboration and mutual support. By acknowledging these challenges openly, we believe both Pakistan and India can progress toward a future where every individual, regardless of their faith or background, can feel safe, valued, and respected. Thank you for being part of this conversation, and for engaging with our content in such a thoughtful manner 🙏
@@MukhbirNama tell me one think can non muslim have right to become president, army chief even pm but india have it, tum log ab bologe ki islamic he hum roj toh imf se karja lete ho kahe ke islamic
Or han humare bare me bolne se pehle apna dekho hum masjid ke baher hindu ke haath se mar skte he per pakistan me masjid me hi mar diye jaenge or aaj hindu redical hua he uski bajah tum log ho jinhone suruat ki direct action tumne kiya tha hinduo ne nahi smjhe tum European ke gulam ho
@@raochauhan7060 Thank you for your comment. I completely understand where you’re coming from, and I agree that Pakistan should work towards allowing non-Muslims to reach any position, whether it's president, prime minister, or army chief. Jis tarah aapka nuktah-e-nazar hai, waqayi main bhi yeh sochta hoon ke Pakistan ko aur diversity aur inclusivity ko embrace karna chahiye.
Aapne bilkul theek kaha kay Pakistan ko religious violence aur terrorism jese bohot se serious issues ka samna hai. Yeh humare liye ek challenge hai, lekin hum sab ko mil kar is ka samna karna chahiye. Humain yeh bhi yaad rakhna chahiye kay dono countries mein bohot si khubiyan hain aur dono ko apne apne masail bhi hain. In maslo ka hal yeh hai ke hum ek progressive aur positive nazariya rakhein, taake hum guzray howay kal se behtar ban sakain.
kehtay hain na kay "Rome wasn't built in a day," waisay hi improvement bhi waqt aur koshish say hoti hai. Pakistan aur India dono kay log agar peace aur mutual respect kay saath aage barhen, toh hum aik behter aur khushhal future bana saktay hain. Aapke jese logon ka support bohot zaroori hai, aur umeed hai kay aap bhi hamare sath is journey mein shamil honge.
Let’s work together to create a future jahan tolerance aur inclusivity hamare moashron ka hissa ban jaaye. Shukriya!
@@MukhbirNama Pakistan banne ki bajah kuch logo ke mafad the , or west ko sobiet ko rokna tha kyonki Nehru ki ideology socialist thi Punjab me sarkar ko muslim league ne hijack kiya behtar hota ki pakistan india aik hote mjhb ke name per do hi mulk bane he pak or israel ye sach he ki jin jamino per aaj log reh rahe he wo sikho ki thi, or waha phalistine ki jin per kabja kiye he , Pakistan ko create karne balo ne nafrati churan diya tha hindu hukumat hogi ,
Pakistan ko ange badana he toh mulla or military ke haath se hukumat chin kar educated awam ko deni hogi mtlb secular democratic state or ye mulla military alliance hone nahi degi kyonki fir india se alag hue hi kyo
Kuch state aisi hoti he jinko ak dushman chahiye hota he survive ke liye taki awam ko churan dekar unko use kr sake india wo hi dushman he sach he india khud kabhi bhi pakistan ko invade krega hi nahi kyonki awam redical he hzn 1960 me jesi awam thi besi nahi he jia ul haq ne aisa nasur peda kiya he wo wo aag laga rahe he koi nahi vachega us aag me Or ttp khatra kam tlp bada khatra he pak ke liye kyonki mostly barelvi he ager ye redical hue toh islamabad dur nahi he isi aag se khel rahi he deobandi Or baki firke km the barelvi majority he
You say Pakistan hasn’t misused its power even as you proudly admit to Pakistan’s role in Hindu genocide in Kashmir. Shame on you.
I hope you continued listening to the podcast as we do acknowledge the misuse of power by the state. We like to take a progressive and forward thinking view of things which can only happen once we have acknowledged the mistakes of the past. Thank you for sharing your thoughts 🙏
@@MukhbirNamathis again is a lie. "Progressive and forward thinking " is subjective in nature. The problem is, what ever you do, you have to verify with Islamic theology. And there goes, "Progressive and forward thinking ". 😂
@@hunk3891 I'm afraid you've made a huge assumption there. I really do not see it as a problem and I believe there is a way to see Islam as progressive and forward thinking. Unless of course you are too bigoted or closed minded to see it as an option. That too is a position I will completely respect if you choose to stand on it 🙏
@@MukhbirNama You believe and wish. Look around you. Look at Bangladesh. The society you are referring to always ends up in extremism. Your "way to see Islam as Progressive....." was tested several times in the past and its critics are being silenced by calling them Islamophobic. So, it is a lie spread by the liberal momineen. Both the liberal and the extremists have the same goal: To implement Quran 8.39.
Ho kya raha hai debate ya podcast 🤡🇵🇰🧠
Thori si debate thi aur thora sa podcast tha! Yehi toh woh mix hai jo humay lagta hai sab say best content! 😄 Umeed hay aap ko passand aya ho ga aur aap hamaysha ki tarah support kartay rahein gay. Shukriya! 😊
Wisdom of east, rightly said.
Thank you so much for saying that! Much appreciated! :)
ADEEL , You’re always superb
Thank you so much for saying that! We love Adeel! :)
🤣😂 You funny fellow Indian bro's please stop lying and making up sh1te.. I know how minorities are treated in India I Live in India.. Minorities are the most persecuted in the world are in India.
I hope you can agree that minorities are persecuted everywhere in the world and it remains up to us to create solutions for them depending on the time and place we find ourselves. Let us think positively and work progressively towards a brighter future :)
Sher for jazbaati Napaks pretending to be IN (out of sharm??): Umar Bhar Ghalib Yahi Bhool Karta Raha:
Dhool Chehare Pe Thee....... Aur Aaeena Saaf Karta Raha
Arz kiya hai, Kashti bhi nahi badli, dariya bhi nahi badla
Tum doobnay waalon ka jazba bhi nahi badla
Hai shouq-e-safar aisa, ik umr hui tum ne
Manzil bhi nahi payi, aur raasta bhi nahi badla
Arz kiya HAH:
Mujhe Jang-e-Azadi Ka Maza Maloom Hai,
Balochon Par Zulm Ki Inteha Maloom Hai
Mujhe Zindagi Bhar Pakistan Me Jeene ki Dua Na Do,
Mujhe Pakistan me Saat Saal Jeeney Ki Saza Maloom Hai
@@primordialarchetypes2927 We Shiites Hindus and Christians are very mazloom in NaPakSATAN
Interesting, that following "dilipNapaks" remark Shias met with a sad end in pK
The Host was more concise and composed than the guest; which, for me, is a faction of intelectuality. As brevity and composure reflects intelectual depth and control. Overall it was a nice debate; except at the point where the guest said "the Pakistan have not done anything wrong yet, leagaly." and the host clinched him hard.
Thank you so much for your thoughtful comment! We’re glad you enjoyed the discussion and found it intellectually engaging. The host’s intent in questioning the guest’s stance was not to “clinch” but rather to explore different perspectives, especially around sensitive topics like minority rights. We believe that true intellectual discourse benefits from hearing multiple sides of an argument, which helps in deepening our understanding and empathy.
Adeel’s contributions, both on and off-screen, are indeed widely appreciated across Pakistan. His strong support for minority rights and progressive values has earned him much respect and admiration, and it was a pleasure to have him share his insights on the show. The host’s progressive vision fully aligns with Adeel’s, and our goal is to foster a platform where challenging conversations can lead to meaningful change.
Thank you for recognizing the depth of the conversation, and we hope you’ll continue to join us as we work towards a more inclusive and progressive Pakistan🙏
@@MukhbirNama"I do acknowledge that both of you explored multiple facets of our society, with 'minority rights' being one of the focal points.
As a casual viewer, I feel that Mr. Adeel seemed a bit different this time, as he had to struggled to substantiate some of his arguments.
Overall, it was a healthy discussion.
One philosophical question that haunts me, and one I would like to hear your perspectives on as people of reason: Is it just to label someone as a "minority"? Does such a label truly belong in an inclusive society? Or is it perhaps a concept left behind by our colonisers?
What I believe is that our legacy places humanity, reason, and shared values above the exclusivity of being the "majority."
Could this labeling be a form of mob mentality?
Thank you so much for acknowledging the healthy discussion in our podcast with Adeel Afzal. Providing such engaging and thought-provoking content is what we always strive for here 🙏
Addressing your philosophical question, I understand your concern about the labeling of certain groups as "minorities." It's an important dialogue to have. While I personally don't believe in labeling any group or individual in a way that diminishes their identity, it's important to recognize that the term "minority" has sociological and political definitions that are challenging to escape within the current structures of society.
Mathematically, certain groups may simply be in a minority within a given region or country. Thus, labeling them as such is often a reflection of demographic realities. However, this doesn't have to mean a loss of identity or value. In my perspective, an inclusive society should not be a melting pot where differences are erased, but rather a vibrant salad bowl that celebrates diversity and inclusiveness.
Perhaps one day, we will achieve a utopian society where the concept of minorities no longer exists, and everyone feels part of a unified whole. Until then, let's celebrate our rich diversity and work together towards a future where everyone, regardless of their background, can thrive. Your thoughts add depth to this ongoing conversation, and I appreciate your engagement with these important topics.
@@MukhbirNama I agree that the mathematical models often help analyze society empirically, but their socio-political repercussions can sometimes be adverse.
Take the case of the Balochs: they contribute their fair share to the economy but remain a political minority. Shouldn't their representation in federal politics be significant enough to ensure a decisive say?
The same applies to other marginalized groups-whether based on religion, urban/rural divides, education levels, the gated vs. ungated communities, or the socio-economic class. Our Society along with Pakistan’s federal structure must treat all cultural nations and societal groups as equal Pakistanis, transcending the majority-minority divide.
Well Thanks for your valuable responces, I have learnt a lot, not only from your poadcast, but from your interactions to this chat, which is realy a valuale session for me. Keep uploading, keep educating us.
Regards
@@urbannomad.8284 Thank you so much for your thoughtful comments and kind words! I couldn’t agree more with the points you raised, especially regarding the need for equitable representation for all societal groups in Pakistan, including the Baloch community and other marginalized groups. These are exactly the kinds of issues we aimed to highlight and discuss in the podcast.
It is heartening to see your keen interest in these topics and your recognition of the importance of transcending majority-minority divides to build a more inclusive society in Pakistan. I believe a federal structure that treats every Pakistani as an equal stakeholder (irrespective of ethnicity, religion, or socio-economic class) is crucial for our collective progress.
I must clarify, though, that I don’t see myself as an educator. There are people far more deserving of that title. However, I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation and value the opportunity to engage in meaningful dialogue. Your engagement and reflections have added depth to the discussion, and I hope to continue having such conversations in the future.
Thank you once again for your support and encouragement. It means a lot. Stay tuned, and let’s keep learning together! 😊
In India we still use kitchen item as pharmacy.
Not as much as we used to
True but lot of people are promoting it.
@@pschhu most of them don't know sh!t what they are talking about.. all the home remedies shown are just pseudo science.. the real knowledge of daddi maa ke nuskhe has been lost somehow
Nice
Thank you so much! :)
❤ nice
Many many thanks! We really appreciate your feedback :)
3:24 please do homework
We absolutely did. I hope you did watch through the entire episode to see that we see faults on both sides in terms of dealing with minorities and both Pakistan and India have often shown abysmal records when it comes to dealing with minorities much like many other nations. It is a sincere personal wish that we can build a world in the future where minorities are given their rights and can live safe in all countries without a hint of fear. I hope that you will join us in creating that forward-looking progressive world 🙏
3:24 He sounded pretty intellectual until 3:24 and the façade disappeared.
Janab all I can say about your comment is si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses. Thank you so much for letting your thoughts be known 🙏
Ask this guy about the last boo he read. Youll be surprised at how long its been.
Presently reading Nexus: A Brief History of Information Networks from the Stone Age to AI by Yuval Noah Harari. What are you reading these days? :)
@MukhbirNama I was talking about Adeel. Btw no should be wasting time of Yuvals books. It'll kill you brain cells. All of the US academy he's ridiculed for false history and thus false narratives.
I'm cureently focusing on Relativity
@@DWAGON1818 I'm sure I'll be in a position to criticize the book once I've finished it :) I will let Adeel know about your question and hopefully get a response :) Stay tuned.
Punjab mein Kashmiri chappay chappay per paya jata hai….Punjab walon nay kia koi itaraz kia? Kabhi nahi !
Punjab is a very welcoming province. Apparently one of the favorite pass-times of a Punjabi is to offer food to visitors! :) Food and Punjab are so intrinsically linked that what we globally call Indian cuisine often is an expansion of Punjabi cuisine. Welcome to Punjab! :)
@ Yes absolutely! Punjab is most diverse & hospitable province. There was a big influx of ppl from Karachi to Punjab becuz Karachi had too much crime prior to Rangers taking control of the city. On the other hand we had influx of People from KPK last 20-30 years, since terrorism started there (Time of Gen Musharaff)
Well, that guy did an "appeal to authority " fallacy to justify negotiation with terrorists. 🤣
On the contrary, the podcast never had any justifications for it. Just an explanation for why some people may do so. I would really appreciate it if you could listen with an attentive ear rather than jumping to conclusions 🙏
@MukhbirNama it was not an explanation. It was justification by citing a French author.
I think you might have misunderstood. That was in a completely different context with regard to drone attacks. I really hope that you have seen the production before making your comments 🙏
@@MukhbirNama no. It was an answer to your question.
Now you've completely lost me :( Sorry but I couldn't follow that.
Apko lallantop me dekhna hai
Mere dil ki baat keh di aap ne bhai
Lahore, Lav ka shehar ( ooru means gav) Lav is the son of lord Ram.
Thank you! That is indeed part of the mythical story that describes the foundation of Lahore. We really appreciate you providing that information 🙏
@@MukhbirNama Your religion as mythical as any other religion. Anyway you are converted. Islam is a tribal culture of Arab . You are hindu
Thank you for letting me know who I am :) Many of us have spent a lifetime fighting against various labels that have been given by others so I will accept the label you've given as I take the others 🙏
Is it censored or what?
@7:52 Adeel says
عوام --- کو سیلیبریٹ کرتی ہے یا فیض کو؟"
Vigo dala se sab darte hai😂
The word is Zia... عوام "ضیاء" کو سیلیبریٹ کرتی ہے یا فیض کو؟
Sahab Vigo Valay bhi humaray tarha insaan hein :) koi masla nahi un say :)
مالٹا کے درخت بھی انگریز دور میں پنجاب میں آئے
I am a fan of adeel (although I am not agree with is point of view always ) that's why I am here but I must say from now I also become a fan of anchor his voice and way of talking is awesome
Thank you so much! We really appreciate you saying that and hope that we will continue to provide awesome content for you in the future🙏
@MukhbirNama As a Indian I love to know about more history of Raja Dahir, Purshottam (porus) , Chanakya and how invaders demolished and ruined the history of that area plz call historian next time. Thankyou
Thank you so much for your interest and for sharing your thoughts! Many Pakistani historians indeed take a nuanced and respectful view of figures like Raja Dahir, Porus, and Chanakya. There are Pakistanis who admire these individuals for their courage and dedication in defending their lands against external invaders. Historical figures like these are often appreciated for their resistance and resilience, and their legacy resonates with many across borders.
I hope you had a chance to watch the entire podcast, as we do delve into talking about such individuals including Ranjeet Singh and Mehmood Ghaznavi. This is an example of our aim to approach history without bias, seeking instead to understand it from multiple perspectives. We strive to present a balanced view rather than simply following one narrative, which I hope comes through in both our current and past content, as well as in what’s to come.
Thank you again for engaging with us, and we look forward to bringing more conversations that explore history from various viewpoints.
Good content.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks! :)
You are again wrong about Sufis.
I'm not certain where we went wrong about the Sufis but please do let us know and we'll be happy to provide corrections :)
@MukhbirNama You did a "not in my name " thing while explaining sufis. The truth is those who persecuted people (hindus) are also sufis. This "othering the bad apples" is a nice failed tactics.
@@hunk3891 You will have to provide a better explanation there. I'm complete at a loss when it comes to understanding what you have said here :(
@@MukhbirNama when you said, "some of them are not sufis as they are bad people", you basically associated anything good with sufis and did not own the bad ones. Just like the "not in my name" campaign by the Muslims after every terrorist attack. First step towards solution is to own a problem, not rejecting it.
Oh absolutely. I completely agree with you on that regard that individuals who came from outside to invade and conquer India were indeed villains in the view of the locals. We had an extensive discussion about it within the podcast when we talked about Ranjeet Singh. I really hope you got a chance to see that too 🙏
You lied on zia ul haq.
I'm not entirely sure what was the lie about Zia-ul-Haq. Please let us know and we'll be happy to set the record straight 🙏
@MukhbirNama zia ul haq was just another extremist. Without zia, Pakistani society would have still managed to reach a point of no return. You are basically snaring the fundamentalist while sparing the fundamentals. Zia ul Haq was a phenomenon, which was bound to happen in pakistan.
I am sorry but I am not quite sure I understand. I'm sure you know that the dictator came in by disrupting a democratic government and imposing his own vision and rule on the country. To call that 'bound to happen' is like saying it is inevitable that a liberal benign ruler will also come to Pakistan? As I said, you are entitled to your opinion but most serious historians and social analysts do blame Zia for taking Pakistan towards a different path.
Love you Sir from Lahore Punjab
Thank you so much! Stay tuned for the next part coming in December! :)
Self Intellectuals Jahilo ki Baraat Pakistan mein hi milti hai.
Janab Kia kahein? Humne kabhi apnay aap ko intellectual ka darja nahi diya! Agar kuch hain to sirf zindagi bhar zindagi say seekhne walay hein. Aur jehan tak mujhe pata hai, main kisi baraat mein jane ka plan bhi nahi rakhta. Aapki comment parhne ka maza aaya, shukriya! 😊
Outstanding video ⭐️✅
Thank you so much for saying that! We really appreciate your feedback 🙏
Yeh bhot hi superficial batien Kar rahay every Pakistanis know these stories. Yeh apni taraf say bhot intellectual discussion kar rahay han.
Thank you for your feedback! Hum samajhte hain kay yeh stories kuch logon kay liye shayad familiar hon, lekin Pakistan ka culture aur history itnay layered hain kay har baat ko samajhne kay liye different perspectives zaroori hain. Yeh bhi ho sakta hai kay har listener in kahaniyon ko is depth kay saath na jaanta ho. Aur Sahab kabhi kabhi purani kahaniyan aik nayay nazariye se sunne ka apna maza hota hay.
Janab-e-wala main kabhi yeh daawa nahi karta kay yeh discussions purely intellectual hien, aur agar aapko yeh intellectually satisfying nahi lagien toh main is ke liye mazratkhwa hoon. Aap jaisay viewers kay feedback se hi hamari behtari hoti hai, aur main zaroor aage chal kar topics mein aur improvement laane ki koshish karunga.
Agar aapke paas koi specific topics hain jo aap discuss hote dekhna chahte hain ya jo aapke interest kay hain, toh zaroor batayein. Hum chaahenge kay ye platform sirf aik taraf say discussion na ho, balke aap jaise viewers bhi apne ideas share karen aur hum mil kar kuch naye topics explore kar sakein. Shukriya!
@@MukhbirNama thank you. I guess my comment was bit mean. I am sorry. You should discuss why do people don't like to think critically. Why our education system is not producing thinkers. Lame say lame idea b Kuch ban Sakta hai. Why people have stop thinking. Imagination b ni hai. Imagine Kar k hi problem solving hoti hai. May be because we don't like arts.
@@iffatabbas5391 You are absolutely right! A lot of the issues that Pakistan faces stem from the problem we have with education and a lack of critical thinking amongst the people. I really hope that the future has more room for education as it seems to be the only way Pakistan can get out of the various messes it is involved in. I thank you sincerely for your apology and believe that your words were coming from a place of passion which I can always respect. Thanks Again!
25:00 Adeel bhai kahaniyaan na krain drakht ka naam btain seedhi trhaan
Another lie. Bifurcation did not start with Sir Syed. 😂
In some people's opinions it did start there. But then again, you are entitled to your own :)
@MukhbirNama that's a lie. It didn't start with Sir Syed. Sir Syed had used it though. Can you tell me the most common Islamic mentality?
@@hunk3891 Again, most serious historians consider Sir Syed and his positions to be a key point in the history of India. However, I totally respect your opinion even though I am not certain I understand it. I am not really sure what you are asking with regard to Islamic mentality? Are you seriously asking me to give you the most common Islamic mentality as a representative of the global hive mind of the Muslims from Morocco to Japan? I'm not sure if you are having a serious discussion or simply trying to show how in your (rather obviously bigoted) opinion; Islam is the main issue with the world today 😁
@MukhbirNama again. Whenever someone raises a question, you guys reply in the same way. Tell me, what should be the relationship between a Muslim and an idol worshipper ( or polytheists) in the light of Islamic jurisprudence? Is it possible for Muslims to live under the religious rules of a ruler who is either an idol worshipper or a polytheist?
Again, I am sorry but the question is just too generic. Which jurisprudence in what era and with which vision? I feel that you are seeking answers from someone who represents ALL Muslims in the world and I'm really not sure if we can find such a person. I will agree though that we respond in the same way which is honestly and as politely as we can while trying to fully understand the question. I am really sorry if the answers are unsatisfactory 🙏
Momineen 😂😂😂😂😂
Ah, ‘Momineen’-what an honorable title, but I make no claim to be a good one! I’m just out here trying my best, fumbling through life like everyone else, and leaving the rest up to the universe. Think of me as a work in progress, with plenty of room for improvement. Thanks for keeping me on my toes! 😄
@MukhbirNama momineen. Lying won't work anymore. 🤣
@@hunk3891 Not seeking to lie at all. It is the modern age so lying really doesn't work anyways :)
@MukhbirNama you lie a lot. In this podcast also, you lied by doing a false comparison. Liar.
@@hunk3891 You are absolutely entitled to your opinion sir. I wish you the best of luck with it :)
Taza taza Russia todaa thaa.... What a joke!
I can assure you Adeel was being quite serious and many historians would agree with him. The role of Pakistan and the Afghan jihad in contributing to the dissolution of the Soviet Union is a well-known subject. The Afghan conflict was one of the factors that strained the Soviet Union economically, militarily, and politically. As you may know, In 1979 the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan to support the communist government in Kabul against growing insurgencies. This invasion was met with resistance from the Afghan Mujahideen, who received significant support from Pakistan, the United States, Saudi Arabia, and other allies. The conflict lasted a decade and became a key battleground of the Cold War.
Pakistan played a pivotal role in the Afghan jihad. Pakistan hosted millions of Afghan refugees and became a hub for Mujahideen fighters. Training camps were established in border regions, particularly in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, where fighters were recruited and armed. The Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) of Pakistan coordinated the training and funding of these fighters, working closely with the CIA and Saudi Arabia, who provided extensive financial and logistical support.
The United States also played a critical role by funding the Afghan jihad through "Operation Cyclone," one of the most expensive covert operations of the Cold War. Saudi Arabia contributed matching funds and encouraged the participation of foreign fighters, spreading a global jihadist ideology. This alliance between Pakistan, the U.S., and Saudi Arabia ensured that the Mujahideen were well-equipped to resist the Soviet forces.
In the end, the Afghan war had profound consequences for the Soviet Union. Economically, the war drained billions of dollars annually from the USSR, exacerbating its already fragile economy. Militarily, it resulted in heavy casualties, with over 15,000 Soviet soldiers killed and many more wounded. Politically, the prolonged conflict was deeply unpopular within the Soviet Union, fueling dissent and undermining confidence in the communist regime. These failures contributed to Mikhail Gorbachev’s policies of glasnost (openness) and perestroika (restructuring), which inadvertently accelerated the collapse of the Soviet Union itself. Please go ahead and deny history only if you choose to.
I love this mallu looking guy, his views are extremely interesting & accurate.
Thank you so much! We love you right back! ♥
*3:20** dunia ko Pakistan se compare mat karo dunia me discrimination individual ya social level pe hote h Pakistan me to constitution hi discrimination kar deta h to society ke bare me to na hi bataye* 🙏🙏🙏
*For your kind information koi v country kitna hi prospouros kyu na ho jaye but individual & social discrimination ke cases khatam nahi kar sakta but Pakistan ka to problem hi Islam & constitution h*
I will agree with you that the problem does lay somewhere in the constitution as it does need to be brought more in line with a progressive world view but it would be hard to place the problem with Islam. It is simply a religion which may be interpreted by different individuals at different times in different ways. While no country can claim to end individual or social discrimination all countries should aim towards reducing and eliminating it as much as they can :)
@@MukhbirNamado you have guts to bring an ex-muslim and have an honest discussion on Islam and Quran ?????
No you don't have intellectual honesty nor courage do that !!!!
@@sudhakarduraiswamy3358 I believe all discussions must be honest and based on intellectual curiosity regardless of the subject being discussed. I hope you take the same stance 🙏
@@MukhbirNama bring an ex-muslim like Harris Sultan , Sahil or Adam seeker and let's see if you can host a honest discussion on Islam and Quran ??
@@sudhakarduraiswamy3358 Happily! We'd be happy to conduct a conversation with anyone under the sun as long as it is intellectually sound and respectful to everyone 🙏
If someone wants to use you.. u allowed them to use u is ur mistake .. 😂😂
You're quite right. That is something which we have to acknowledge. Thank you for pointing it out :)
Bhai har chij India ko kaha se ghusa lete ho tum log, Nagaland k sath India ne kya kiya hai jabardasti ki baatein bana rahe ho ??
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I can assure you that Nagaland’s history with India is indeed complex and has been a topic of discussion for decades. To clarify, the issues surrounding Nagaland stem from its unique cultural identity, the demand for autonomy, and tensions between local communities and the central government of India. Since India’s independence, Nagaland has seen armed insurgencies led by groups demanding sovereignty. The Naga National Council (NNC) began this movement, declaring independence in 1947, which led to conflicts that persisted for decades. The demand for 'Greater Nagaland' or 'Nagalim,' including areas from neighboring states and Myanmar, added further tension.Nagaland has also been under the controversial AFSPA for decades, allowing Indian security forces to operate with broad powers, which has led to allegations of human rights abuses.
Many Naga civilians feel alienated due to these measures. As recently as 2021, a tragic incident in Mon District took place where Indian security forces killed several civilians due to mistaken identity during a counter-insurgency operation. That incident sparked significant protests and brought global attention to the region's unresolved tensions. Of course, while there has been a peace process initiated including the 2015 Framework Agreement between the Indian government and the NSCN-IM (National Socialist Council of Nagaland-Isak-Muivah), a lasting resolution remains elusive. Disagreements over the Naga flag, constitution, and territorial demands hinder progress. I believe that Nagaland's situation is a reminder of the challenges in managing diverse cultures and histories within a single national framework. I hope you will agree that It’s essential to approach such discussions with empathy and an understanding of historical and political contexts.
@MukhbirNama Sir yaha pe jo b likha hai wo aapne kahi se bas aise hi utha k copy paste kar diya isme aadhi baatein aise hi hain bas but it's very nice of you that you're replying to your every viewer personally over their concerns.
Thanks 👍🏻
@@AnuragSingh-c8i2h Sahab yeh research hay aur bohat si batien yaad bhi reh jaati hein. Humari poori koshish hoti hay kay jo bhi hum say baat karay hum adab aur ehtram kay saath uss kay samnay apni baat rakh dein. App ki har sahi baat say hum billajijhak mutafiq hein aur jo bhi zuban ho ussi zuban mein jawab daytay hein jehan tak ho sakay. Umeed hay hum aysay hi dostana mahol mein baat cheet kartay rahein gay takay hum sab insano ki behtari kay liye kuch kar sakein 🙏
Naga Genocide, Sikh Genocide, Muslim Genocide & Christian Genocide..
It's unfortunate that when there was Sindhi language bill riots against Sjndhis in the 70s, the Punjabi settlers in Sindh have taken side with urdu speakings against sindhi language. I, as a child, didn't understand till I came to Lahore to settle down that we punjabis just hate our own language.
Thank you for sharing this important perspective. We fully support the rights of indigenous languages across the world and believe that all languages of Pakistan, including Sindhi and Punjabi, deserve strong support and patronage. Language is a vital part of cultural identity, and it’s essential that each community feels pride in its linguistic heritage. It is heartening to see efforts being made today across Pakistan to revitalize and promote these languages. There are indeed encouraging signs of a cultural resurgence, and we hope this momentum continues, allowing both Punjabi and Sindhi to thrive and gain the recognition they deserve. Let us not repeat the mistakes of the 70s. Thank you again for your thoughtful comment, and for helping to keep language alive!
Rubbish hardly any Punjabi moved there.. Urdu speakers were those whom moved from India to Pak.
@@DilipKumar-o6e5k That is a very interesting data point. While a lot of Urdu speakers did move to Pakistan there wasn't any shortage of Punjabis who moved from one side of the border to the other. Partition was a very dark period of our history and I am not sure if there is any point scoring to be done there :(
@@MukhbirNama So Killing 15 Million Muslims by Indian Hindu's is point scoring to you? 50,000 mosques were destroyed by our Indian Hindu's not forgetting the Rapes of Muslim teens, girls and women by Hindus rivers turned red my family told horrific stories..
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I'm not entirely sure what you mean by that. Sorry for not understanding you :(
Silly
I've been told not to go to Camelot. It is a silly place :)
Brushing everything under carpet and say we aren’t that bad 😝is a hypocrisy..
I'm afraid you might have completely missed the point of the podcast as described in the beginning. We are just trying to have a real and entertaining conversation about Pakistan and that naturally covers the mistakes Pakistanis have made along with a comparison to other countries around the world. This helps us understand "what went wrong" which is the basic question asked at the beginning. I hope you can help us recognize other mistakes which we can try and find solutions for in Pakistan 🙏
@@MukhbirNama I just feel everytime so called intellectual of Pakistan keeps saying what’s happening in India with minorities this and that and just equate it with what’s happening in Pakistan.. how is it same?? By law all citizens are equal in India .. so there can’t be comparison at all .. and every year thousands of Pakistani Hindus apply for visas to come to India .. not a single oppressed minority of India specially Muslim didnt appmt for Pakistani visa .. so just saying in India Muslims are oppressed is not a right thing to do by seeing one news article or whatever!!
@@MukhbirNama appreciate ur work though
Thank you for sharing your perspective. Just to clarify, we don’t aspire to be seen as intellectuals of Pakistan; rather, we’re simply individuals trying to engage with a number of issues openly and honestly. We absolutely agree that Pakistan has significant challenges when it comes to ensuring fair treatment and opportunities for its Hindu, Sikh, Christian, and other minority communities. These issues are real, and we believe they deserve serious attention and action.
Oppression, wherever it occurs (whether in Pakistan, India, or elsewhere) is unacceptable, and it’s something we must collectively address. This was the message given by Hussain (RA) and many other individuals who willingly laid down their lives to protect the weak and the innocent. It’s not about drawing comparisons but rather recognizing that injustice in any place affects us all and warrants awareness and dialogue. I sincerely hope you’ll join us in discussing these issues openly, learning more about their complexities, and encouraging positive change across all borders.
Thank you again for engaging with us in such a thoughtful and healthy manner. 🙏
Thank you so much! We really appreciate that :)
Ek to aap log bahut masoom ho ya phir aap zooth bol rahe ho😊
Sahab Bakhuda hum jhoot nahi boltay! Yan Ziada nahi boltay :) Magar masoom zarror hein kyon kay Pakistan ko samajnay ki koshish kar rahay hein. Umeed hay kay aap ka iss mein sath rahay ga :)
Ya phir Arab Turk Irani Afghans qasim ghori ghazni Babar Aurangzeb nadir Shah abdali ki indian subcontinent ki begairat behaya converted musalminas se hue rape jihad aur islamic halala ki sachi paidaish taqqiaya baaz *ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF HIRA MANDI PORKISTAN BHIKHARISTAN GURBATZADA PAKISTAN* ka sacha musalman😂😂😂😂
India ka minorities ke saath kyaa saloook hai bhaai???? Bu law every citizen is equal.. but what about u guys?? Justifying what’s happening in ur country just by saying it’s also happening in Other countries 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I want to clarify that our intention was not to justify any issues faced by minorities here or elsewhere. Pointing out global challenges faced by minority communities isn't about deflecting attention or engaging in whataboutism. Instead, it's an acknowledgment that these issues are complex and exist across various societies, from developing nations to those considered first-world.
In highlighting this, we aim to encourage dialogue on how both Pakistan and India, along with other nations, can make strides towards inclusivity and equality. Every country has its own journey and challenges, and it’s our hope that, over time, both our nations will progress toward creating safe, respectful environments for all communities. Minority rights have to be protected everywhere and we hope they will be better protected in Pakistan and India. We appreciate your engagement and hope you'll support these efforts toward a more inclusive future for everyone.
Have you been to India ever year 100,000 are killed minorities mostly.
Gustaakh e rasool ki ek saza ..
And hundreds killed ..
You're absolutely right! It is a huge issue that needs to be addressed in a positive way. I would recommend looking at Ghamdi Sahab's take on the issue for a better understanding of it.
@@MukhbirNama I m reading the root cause of communalism in subcontinent suddhi, devbandi, Barelvi, farazi and other so called religious reformists movements,role of east india company...the international situation
Why Muslim wants to show themselves outsiders...are arabs or central asian were better than subcontinent population...history tells otherwise in all aspects...but then how will they justify and counter the tount from Hindus...why Barelvi because Hindus god shown to have superowers and when in debate Muslim have to show that their prophet is equivalent to ram and Krishna and had super powers....hence comes extra glorification of human messenger...
I'm afraid I won't be able to add much to your point about Barelvis and Hindu gods as my knowledge there is severely limited but I will agree with you that a large number of Muslims in India and Pakistan rightly or wrongly claim Arab, Afghan or Persian ancestry. However, they also connect with people within their regions regardless of their religions or differences thereof. It is easy to see that progressive and forward thinking individuals will not consider religion to be a barrier when it comes to having good connections with their neighbors. I hope that you do the same as we do :)
As my comment is being hidden i will put my point here
@MukhbirNama hi buddy sorry I didn't reply earlier..
I will be a fool to claim everything to be hanky Dory.. it's far from it.. in fact none of the countries are perfect for this.. i mean we never judge the Europeans upon the treatment of the Romani gypsy.. even today
but I have a simple scale I judge any minorities in simple matrices..
A simple fact based questions.. what would the case be theologically had it been a vice versa situation ..
example if you find treatment of Muslim disrespectful.. would the Muslim behaviour be same or worse had the been in power.. and historically and factual logic it has been that Muslim have not been great with it minorities.. it is impossible for non Muslim to live in these islamic country.. The Persian left for india..
The Afghanistan lost it Buddhist monastery Etc etc..
Christian theologically have not been great with the pegan culture.. be it in Africa or Americans
Comparison Hindu culture has quite welcoming..
But one thing we just need to understand that Hindu culture has been so accommodating that even a sight resistance to the status quo is being seen as a brutal attack on non Hindu minorities .. whne the reality is they are just defending thier religion..
Religion is very personal for Hindu so Converting from Hindu religion is seen as a personal attack on thier existence
And whne islam has a law that prohibits leaving Islam by capital punishment isn't it hypocrisy to let others not defending themselves..
I judge any country with the opportunity it creates and is a there a genuine claim for any person who is from any religion sect or creed can aspire to be.. Indian constitution is, that never cared about your religion while creating opportunities..
hence we all succeed in education and wealth..
Muslim took undue advantage of the population boom.. and increased population size. Rather than economic development
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I’d like to clarify that I absolutely do judge European societies for their historical treatment of minorities, including the Romani people and Jews, particularly during the horrors of the Second World War. Europe has faced painful reckonings for these events, and while it's a journey that has led to reforms and self-reflection, the subcontinent may still be navigating its own process of coming to terms with historical complexities. I deeply hope that, unlike the violent upheavals witnessed in history, our region’s path can be one of peaceful progress and reconciliation.
Regarding the treatment of minorities in Islamic and other religious contexts, history shows us a diverse spectrum. Muslim rulers, like all rulers, were influenced by the politics and power structures of their times. There are countless examples of Muslim leaders and communities coexisting harmoniously with diverse religious groups, and instances where tensions flared due to political motives or social upheaval rather than religious doctrine alone. As we discussed in our podcast, everyday individuals from various religious backgrounds have coexisted peacefully, even sharing meals and celebrations together-an example of how personal connections can bridge cultural and religious divides.
On the matter of apostasy, Islamic teachings do indeed contain different interpretations, and it’s crucial to recognize that views on this issue have historically varied and continue to be debated. In modern times, this is often seen as a matter of civil rather than purely theological law. Progressive voices in many Muslim-majority societies argue for freedom of belief, aiming to adapt interpretations to contemporary understandings of human rights and individual freedom.
You rightly highlight the accomplishments of the Indian constitution in providing opportunities regardless of religious background, which has been instrumental in fostering relative social mobility. Pakistan, too, had a strong foundation, but the legacy of Zia-ul-Haq’s policies disrupted this, embedding divisions in ways we are still addressing. Many forward-looking Pakistanis are actively working to restore and build upon the original inclusive vision for our country. We hope to foster a more equitable and inclusive society that transcends religious and cultural boundaries. Constructive dialogue with our neighbors, friends, and people like yourself can be a meaningful step in building a better future.
Thank you again for engaging with us, and we hope you’ll join us in supporting and encouraging these shared aspirations 🙏
🤣😂 What u smoking
You didn't explain the identity crisis correctly. 😂
I am certain you will have the correct explanation? Please do let us know and we will be happy to look it over :)
@MukhbirNama Do you think the name of a person is related to its culture? The answer to this question will tell you a hint about the explanation.
@@hunk3891 Again, I am not sure if any of your questions are really serious. Not sure how to answer a question about the connection between names and cultures :(
@@MukhbirNama expected. That is why you guys will never find a solution as you are searching it in the wrong place. Let me rephrase it. Can a Muslim in pakistan have a name like , "Ajay or Vijay or Ranjit"?
I'm sure a Muslim could have any name in the world just as any other follower of some other religion could have a name. Again I am not sure if you are asking me to give you probabilistic model for names in various cultures or what names have been given through the centuries to Muslims or Hindus?
What u all did to your nuclear father 😂
Responding to this is a delicate matter but I will be as honest as possible. Abdul Qadeer Khan is a complex figure in Pakistan’s history. While he was celebrated as the "father" of Pakistan's nuclear program, his reputation was clouded by significant controversies. Dr. Khan was accused of proliferating nuclear technology to countries like Iran, North Korea, and Libya. These actions, which he admitted to later, cast a long shadow over his legacy and led many within and outside Pakistan to view him with suspicion. This revelation ultimately tarnished his image internationally, as it contradicted the ethical standards expected of nuclear scientists.
Despite the mixed legacy of Dr. Khan, Pakistan has been home to many brilliant scientists who have made contributions without controversy. A prime example is Dr. Abdus Salam, Pakistan’s first Nobel laureate in Physics, who won the prize in 1979 for his work in theoretical physics. Dr. Salam’s contributions in electroweak theory were groundbreaking, and he is remembered globally as a scientific hero. At our channel, we honor Pakistan’s scientists who exemplify integrity, commitment to peaceful progress, and scientific curiosity. Scientists like Dr. Salam are our true heroes, and we hope to inspire the next generation to pursue knowledge that benefits humanity. Thank you for the comment, and let’s continue celebrating those who bring positive change!
Same what they did with there ummi anguthachaap jahil madrassa expert Nabi Muhammad 😂😂😂
Nobody destroyed Pakistan this era Pakistan himself destroyed one day .... bitter truth ...
Haha, you’ve hit on something we often joke about! It’s been said that in Pakistan, half the people seem to be arsonists, lighting fires of divisiveness, while the other half are the firefighters, working tirelessly to put them out. At our channel, we’re definitely in the firefighter camp, trying to keep the flames of hate and bigotry from spreading. We truly hope you’ll join us in this mission to protect Pakistan’s future. Let’s focus on building a country we can all appreciate, one that thrives on unity, peace, and understanding :)
It's not destroyed but India sure is and a breaking point coming soon.
اب تو آپ لوگ بھی اپنی سوچ کو مسلط کرنے والا رویہ رکھتے ہیں
یہ ایک سنجیدہ الزام ہے جس کا جواب دینا ضروری ہے۔ ہم نے کبھی نہ کسی پر اپنی سوچ مسلط کی ہے اور نہ ہی ایسا کرنے کا ارادہ رکھتے ہیں۔ ہم آزادیٔ اظہار اور آزادیٔ رائے کو بنیادی انسانی حق سمجھتے ہیں اور اس کے خلاف کسی بھی مؤقف کو اپنانے کا تصور بھی نہیں کر سکتے۔
اگر ہماری کسی بات یا عمل سے آپ کو ایسا تاثر ملا ہے، تو برائے مہربانی ہمیں ضرور آگاہ کریں تاکہ ہم اپنی غلطی کو سمجھ سکیں۔ اگر واقعی ہم سے ایسا کچھ ہوا ہے، تو ہم پیشگی معذرت خواہ ہیں۔ آپ کی رائے ہمارے لیے نہایت اہم ہے، اور ہم ہمیشہ تعمیری مکالمے کے لیے تیار ہیں۔
شکریہ کہ آپ نے اپنی بات ہم تک پہنچائی🙏
Pl tell what happened to the 26 percent non muslims in 1947 in Pakistan , once you answer that we will talk
I'll gladly summarize an answer for you. Most of the minorities have left Pakistan or at the very least those who were able to get out of Pakistan. They have exited due to the problems they faced and there is no qualm or issue in admitting that. Minorities have had significant problems in Pakistan over the past decades and it is now up to progressive and forward thinking Pakistanis to try and salvage the situation as best as they can. Protecting the minorities in Pakistan is certainly important for civil society and the government. Please understand that we have no issues admitting where the Pakistani people have gone wrong in the past and hope to see Pakistan progress towards a better tomorrow 🙏 I hope you can do the same for India and the rest of the world.
@MukhbirNama agreed
Vishal do you have a br@in? in 1971 India attacked East-Pakistan. East-Pak had majority Hindu's and When Bangladesh was created Our India Govt brought Hindus from Bangladesh and any remaining they themselves came to India... Very few remained..
Can Both intelectuals tell whts take away for listners from this episode? Drone vs Bravery... Whts Non sense In 2024, r they living In 18th century..?
Thank you for sharing your perspective! We believe each listener may take away something unique from our episodes, as every person resonates differently with the topics discussed. Regarding drones vs. bravery, it's essential to recognize the serious impact that drone attacks have had on communities in certain regions of Pakistan. This issue has been raised on various international platforms including the United Nation and even Indian authors have spoken out against these attacks. This goes to simply highlight the complex and deeply sensitive nature of the topic. We hope you understand our intention to address these subjects with care and balance and that you’ll continue to support our efforts in creating thoughtful, meaningful discussions.
Madarsa-podcast👍
Thank you for your comment! I am afraid though that I have to respectfully disagree with the “Madarsa-podcast” label. If you listen to the full episode, you’ll find that our discussions actually focus on fostering a progressive, inclusive, and forward-looking perspective on Pakistan’s culture, history, and future. Our goal is to explore Pakistan’s heritage with a critical eye and a modern mindset, consciously avoiding any alignment with traditionalist or madrassa-based ideologies.
In all honesty, we believe in presenting a balanced view, emphasizing the need for Pakistan’s growth as a modern nation, free from any restrictive influence of madrassa ideology. Simply put, wherever the people of Pakistan have made mistakes, we will highlight them, acknowledge them and try to figure out ways to correct those mistakes. Our platform aims to encourage thoughtful conversations on culture, society, and identity, and we invite you to engage with us in building a progressive future for Pakistan and the world 🙏
Andh bhakt found
Only for the GODI PODCAST lovers like you
@@MukhbirNama
I really do appreciate the amount of effort you put to reply to everyones comment.
I also appreciate the fact that you replied very politely & humbly to my Comment which sound very discriminatory to lot of Viewers. .. ... ... But I dont like Sugarcoating my words just to please anyone.
And yes.. You may sound Intelligent but the fact will and always remain that a your entire podcast was revolving around your perspective. I dont give damn to what US & UK think of Iraq and Libya & Syria... or what propaganda tool they used to level a country. My concern is what Iraq did when those Western Powers were trying to install a democracy.
As usual, Pakistani plants a groomy picture of themselves as poor people who suffered due to their fight against Terrorism but will never accept that your own country is infact a Terrorist Sympathizer Country.
Your country saw your economy booming under Coalition Support Fund under Musharraf's Rule when Dollars were being paid to roll Jihadis, Talibans from Pak Madarsa.. yet you are the Victim?
Your Army Chief Yahya Khan ordered the rapes of Million Bangladeshi Women and killed Millions of Innocent Civilians in 1971, and yet you brushed it all under the carpet in the start of podcast - as if it was nothing. - TALKS A LOT ABOUT YOUR MORAL COMPASS. 🤔
Anyway.. since you took time and effort to write me in the Comment Section, I took it an Honour to write it back how your Perspective isnt all right and everything said was true. 👍
@@Kumar_KakaG Thank you for sharing your thoughts so openly. We always aim to produce content and respond in ways we can stand by with pride. I genuinely appreciate your honesty and respect the passion behind your words, as they clearly come from a place of deep conviction. As I'm sure you'd agree, even the Indian media has acknowledged the suffering Pakistan has endured due to terrorism, both homegrown and foreign. Our podcast inevitably reflects our own perspectives, as that’s where our conversation starts, but we strive to be balanced and fair.
On the subject of 1971 and the tragedy in Bangladesh, we absolutely recognize it as a dark and painful chapter in Pakistan’s history. It was a tragedy we do not take lightly, and we made an effort to address it with the gravity it deserves. Like you, we believe that acknowledging these past mistakes is essential. Our hope is that by doing so, we can all learn from them and work toward a more progressive and inclusive future. Thank you again for engaging so thoughtfully, and I hope we can continue to have meaningful discussions that contribute to this shared vision 🙏
Pak prejudice point of view about india..
Bhakts bhi same karte india se, secular hone k bad bhi.....ye to Pakistan h
@ isme bhakt kaha se aa gye….
This is about india not about congress or bjp or any other parties
@@mukeshgourhye bechre BJP ko koshne ke liye pakistaniyon ka Sahara lete hai
Majburi h becharo ki
@@mukeshgourh because only bhakts watch pakistani content.... especially north indian cow belt wale ....kachra kachre ko hi dekhta he....