Who Really Won The War? Avon vs Marlo (AMW)
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- Опубліковано 12 сер 2021
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The lawyers won, both Avon and Marlo gave them regular high paying criminal work for years and they didn't have to sell one package.
I think that Marlo caught the barksdales at a weak moment because Avon and Stringer didn’t move as a unit. A house divided will fall. However in the end I look at if they each achieved what they wanted from the game. It’s important to note that what they both wanted was not monetary. Avon wanted respect while Marlo wanted fear. The scene with Marlo stealing the candy in the store in front of the guard is a perfect illustration of this. If you watch closely in the scene Marlo looks at the guard dead in his eyes as he takes the candy. He WANTED to get caught. When the guard confronted him about it he had him killed. Now the guard showed respect to Marlo and kept repeating how he wasn’t stepping to him. But to Marlo it was the fact that the guard didn’t show enough fear that bothered him. He wants others to fear him while not respecting them in return. Avon never operated this way. This is why he scolded stringer about Ok’ing a hit on a Sunday. Avon is about his name. He is about being respected and he in turn respects the game. So even when it appeared Avon was losing if you pay attention to his demeanor you NEVER saw him sweat it. When Avon gets frustrated in season 3 it wasn’t necessarily because of Marlo. It was because Stringer was operating in a way that would denigrate his reputation and his name. This is why Brother Mouzone’s words cut Avon deep when he told him this is not about money it’s about his word and his reputation. Once you see Avon in season 5 he is still respected in the streets. His demeanor with Marlo is very relaxed and you can tell him “losing” didn’t affect him the way Marlo might have thought it would. Avon achieved what he wanted in the end. With Marlo however he didn’t achieve the fear from others that he desired. Marlos fatal flaw is that he can’t accept that fact that everyone is not going to be afraid of him. And you can notice how that begins to destroy him in the end. He won the game as far as staying out of prison but he never achieved what he desired. It was never about the money to him. And the audience can see how that begins to eat away at him in his last appearances. So sorry for the novel but I love the analysis you are doing on this series.
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That prison meeting scene said a lot.
Avon won. I always wondered why Avon would give up the identity of the connect to Marlo. The more I analyzed this move, it actually showed his lack of respect for Marlo. He knew giving Marlo temporary access to the connect would not weaken his position because Marlo didn’t have the skill to keep it! He essentially rented the connect for $100,000 knowing that Marlo didn’t have the street acumen/network to keep the connect long term. If you recall, when the police “followed the money” they discovered that Avon’s business wasn’t just drugs, it bled into political contributions, Realestate, grand jury leads, etc. At the end of the day, Avon had an organization with ties to New York (Brother Mazone). Marlo simply had a crew. The Barksdale family regained control of the connect through Slim Charles in the end. Marlo, not knowing the true value of the connect and unable to hold on to it because of lack of political connections, sold it for a mere $10,000,000! Avon was still the King, from jail.
Avon was a gangsters gangsta…I’m 30 and I think Marlo represents the 16-24 years that’s outside today..especially how little respect he had for how things were traditionally done
That clip with Cutty not shooting Fruit just shows how much of a respectful guy Slim was. “Sorry man I stepped in your shot.” When really, Cutty completely froze up.
In the end. Avon won. He kept slim charles in the mix to be his eyes and ears and used his connections to get Marlo to wipe everyone out. Then when Marlo and the crew got arrested. Slim became the head boss. This kept Avon's seat warm while he finished his sentence. That's the thing I always loved about Avon in the show. When he lost he found ways to use his resources to get back and people who thought they had him beat.
The Avon/Marlo War was Old School values vs the New School ruthlessness. Avon got out of jail and thought that the Rules of Street life was still in play. Marlo, a new School kingpin, who seems to come out of nowhere in Season 3, dosen't follow by such rules. Which is why he was able to outsmart and outwit The Barksdales at every turn in the beginning of the War. Marlo's crew was younger, more calculated, more disciplined and more souless and sociopathic then the Old guard of the Barksdales. But as you see in the sitdown between the 2 "Kings" in Season 5, you see Avon, while in prison for a long time, and not even around in Season 4, still commands a presence, to Marlo and the Audience. This is something that can't be forced, like Marlo tried to do throughout the show. And of course the Final Scene of Marlo, semmingly having everything, Fights a couple of Hoppers on some Corner, a split second away from getting killed, because they didn't know who he was. But they knew the name of Omar, and im pretty sure they know Avon as well
At the end of the day, I think Avon won in the long run because Marlo wasn’t remembered when he got out the game. The streets honored two of the baddest dudes in the whole show: Avon and Omar. Think about it. Just remember the last scene with Marlo on the corner. The corner boys talked about Omar and didn’t know who Marlo was. In the prison, Marlo had to go through Avon to get the connect. Dropped by bodies doesn’t make you the king. The king stay the king. Boom
Avon won when Marlo realized even from a cell. He had final say in his come up. Authority figure!!!!!!
When, Marlo went to prison to see the Greeks dude, and avon showed up, that was the KO... winner Avon...
Avon won the war! Marlo went to jessup and guard says number 2 where he sat. Avon comes in and laughs in his face and sits at number! Check mate! Marlo needed Avon in order to get the connect so that tells us who was really that dude!
The show illustrated that avon would have definitely won if the police didn't get to him first.
I think the dismantling of the Barksdale crew is what allowed for the rise of Marlo. Losing bird, stinkum and Webay gutted them. Combine that with there battle with Omar and stringers betrayals, the end was inevitable. They lost all their good muscle and where left with a bunch of undisciplined clowns(botched hit etc) the good news is Marlo could not hold on, Avon can pry rebuild when he gets out if he wants.
Everybody respected the name Barksdale, no one knew or cared about Marlo
Marlo won the battle but Avon won the war... even with Avon in jail, Prop Joe had the line not Marlo. Without Avon's approval he wasn't gonna get to the"greeks" neither. Once Marlo knocked off Prop Joe, he was only the king for a very brief time. Avon had longevity at the top and was King of the west for years it seemed to me... but nobody stays on top forever, that's just the game for you. Always....
Had Avon answered the phone when Slim Charles was sitting on Marlo, Chris and Snoop, war would be over. I’m curious though, if Avon’s team was healthy and full (mean Wee Bey, Stinkum, Ronnie Moe and Bird was around) how different would that war be? Lol.
I grew up in the DMV -Baltimore area (I was born in DC in 1971) & aside from living in LA & San Francisco for a few years in the early/mid 90’s have been in the area most of my life & the Wire has to be the most realistic,accurate portrayal of life in a mid Atlantic region city