I love the fact that at the beginning Samuel L Jackson wanted a purple lightsaber only to be seen during the battle of Geonosis but after that in the Star Wars universe the purple lightsaber became the weapon of a jedi who can fight with rage without falling to the darkside (like Mace Windu) or who philosophically speaking is a synthesis between the siths and the jedis (like Revan or Kreia) because Blue + Red = Purple 👍🏻😄
"For your own good, stay out of this affair. I sense a great deal of confusion in you, young Thor Skywalker. There is much fear that clouds your judgment."
Say “grant me the rank of master” again. Say “grant me the rank of master” again, I dare you, I double dare you nerf herder, say “grant me the rank of master” one more Goddamn time! -Mace Windu
I disagree with several things Mace Windu did (like trying to justify killing Palpatine and not trusting Anakin) but not making Anakin a master was entirely justified. No one that young had *ever* been on the council before, so Anakin being allowed in was a huge honor. Plus, the only reason he had a claim to be there was because the chancellor "appointed" him. To keep the devision of power and limit the chancellor's obvious attempt at gaining influence amongst the Jedi, it made complete political sense not to make Anakin a master and give him voting power. A vote by Anakin would essentially be a vote from Palpatine. But most importantly, Anakin was simply not worthy of being a master. And no, I'm not talking about his raw power and skill. Being a master requires maturity, experience, a dedication to the Jedi way, and emotional stability, all things Anakin clearly did not possess. His outburst upon being denied the rank proves he was not worthy. Anakin still had some serious issues he needed to work out and the solution to this problem was not placiating him with more power he could not handle. When a child throws a fit and overreacts became he didn't get something he wants, you don't solve the problem by giving him what he wanted. That just makes the problem worse and doesn't make the child a better person. Anakin needed to learn humility and emotional control. Making him a master would just give him more problems and make his ego and sense of entitlement worse. Mace Windu made the right call here. Anakin was the one who dropped the ball with his overreaction.
@@anakinskywalker549, I do trust you. But you can trusting someone while also acknowledging their faults in hopes that they will grow as people and better themselves. I'm the closest thing you have for a father Anakin and part of that responsibility means looking out for you and placing you in situation were you can succeed. Any good parent trusts their kids, but they also keep them aways from things that can damage them and make sure they earn their responsibilities. I didn't make you a master because I knew you were not ready, that appointing you as such would damage your emotional stability and morality in the long run. Making you a master would be dangerous for yourself and you still needed time before you were ready to rise to such a level. It's not that I didn't trust you, it's just that I knew you were not ready. Do not take this as an insult, I'm did it because I care about you and sometimes, boundaries is what people need to succeed. And I did trust you, evidenced by how I asked you to spy on the chancellor. That was a crucial job only you could do! If you had simply done your job and retained an aura of humility, you would have demonstrated the maturity to become a master. Accepting your role in all this would have led to your ranking as a master in no time. Lest we forget, no one at your age had even been declare a master. No need to be mad at something not being given you that was unprecedented. ;-)
_Don't lecture me Obi-Wan. I see through the lies of the Jedi. I do not fear the Dark Side as you do. I have brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to my new Empire!_
Everyone conveniently forgets how he's basically lived through the entire Skywalker saga, so he has countless records of galactic history since 22 BBY.
In my opinion it's due to the way he said it, and the passive aggressive attitude I guess you could say, towards Ahsoka. While she meant the citizen line in order to establish her distance due to her still struggling with the treatment she received from them (Mace specifically) before leaving the order, I got the vibe that Mace just got petty about it
I don't understand folks. Sure, Windu's delivery might be a bit cold... but Ahsoka is no longer a Jedi and thus should no longer concern herself with the affairs of the Jedi.
It comes down to technically correct vs actually being right. While yes, he's technically correct that she's just a citizen, she's helping the jedi hunt for the sith master, she deserves to be part of their discussion about that. Now, it's perfectly in character for Mace to say something like that, so I'm not mad about it, but it certainly wasn't the right thing to do.
If nothing else I like the idea behind him, how he's essentially represents the Warrior aspect of the Jedi while Yoda represents the Philosopher/Monk aspect. Plus the idea of him being such a good duelist even Palpatine couldn't beat him is pretty badass.
I agree. Yes he is arrogant and stuff, but thats what makes him unique, that and his purple lightsaber. He is the living embodiment of a road block for Anakin to becoming a jedi master, and at the final test, Anakin fails. I would love to see Mace Windu in live action again.
Yep he is a badass but he represents how the jedi order becomes hypocritical and he could be badass and more open to make a good jedi since in the end everything to follow the rules and be the most faithful of the order went to hell for following his own interests showing that he was not ready to be next in command of the Jedi order. Its only my opinion
He's a character that actually makes you dislike the Jedi, and came to encapsulate the arrogance and decadence of the Order in its final days. He was a politician, not a Jedi.
I don't think it was a "mistake" to deny Anakin rank of Master. Although it eventually alienated him and served as a catalyst for his turn to the dark side, the fact that this is so is evidence he clearly didn't have the temperament to be a master. So in principle, the Jedi were correct to deny him the rank, although they certainly made other mistakes to aid Anakin's turn.
To be fair Anakin never did any of the trials, Windu probably wanted to keep with tradition since it was already broken once by making Anakin a Knight.
Not to mention the fact that Anakin would have been Palpatine's puppet. The Jedi would never allow that, even if Anakin did have the proper temperament and maturity.
@@stunner9005 to be honest not even in the Old Republic did the trials of knights and Masters during times of crisis. It was all done on merit during times of crisis. Ani did more than enough to warrant the rank of knight and if CW Anaikin part of cannon, showed that he was at the rank of master before RotS. The issue is Windu was by far the worst aspects of a Jedi. He was attached by being disattached from his surroundings. He cared little for the force except when it was convientent. His whole goal was to use his seat to influence the council in the affairs of the Republic. At the end all Windu cared about was the republic, not the force or his fellow Jedi.
@@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773 Exactlyyyy he is a hypocriteee, that he believed that his decision was the most important and while others break the rules he defends them but when he broke them he had an excuse for them. An example is with Ahsoka she took you to the ex former sith who killed your brother of the Jedi order called Quigon Jin and you treat her like a stranger, na menn mace does not deserve to be at the next command of the Jedi in the order
Canon Windu feels a bit like a hypocritical jackass despite him being skilled and powerful. I prefer the way he was portrayed in the EU, like in the ROTS novelization where he is in fact a patriot for the Republic that would be willing to save the Republic at all costs, leading him to act against the Jedi’s principals.
Андрей Шурочка not really, he wants the government to thrive but he doesn’t take part in its intricacies and is willing to go against it if it means doing the right thing.
Mace isn't my favorite Jedi but in looking at him more closely I think he's a good dude. Sure he's more serious and intimidating as befitting a character played by Samuel L. Jackson but that doesn't mean he's uncaring. We see him save his clone troopers during the Ryloth Arc, he expresses concern about the well-being of the Zillo beast and in his comics we see him talking about emotion as a shared language between peoples. He even tries to get Boba a lighter sentence and a fellow Jedi who suddenly turns and attacks him he not only doesn't kill him but instead of prison sends him to work in the archives in the hopes the Jedi reassess his choices. Heck he's even nicer to Jar Jar of all people then Qui-Gon. Now on the Ahsoka bit? I love her but it was SHE who set the boundary and called herself citizen in the first place. Mace is keeping that boundary SHE set up and she doesn't get mad at him for it. He may have not been the kindest about it but he's got a lot on his plate at the moment. Also she's no longer part of the Jedi Order nor the GAR. You can't just share classified intel with someone outside of the command structure, even if you know and trusted them before. It could get people killed. Then of course he's willing to be the fall guy to take out the sadistic, psychopathic dictator who has done all the crimes against humanity and then some. No, the galaxy is probably not going to believe Palps is Space Satan or fully know the atrocities he had and would continue to commit for the next 23 years. Meaning Mace is likely going to jail. But he's willing to make that sacrifice for the good of the galaxy. So yeah, Mace is more of a hard personality and not everyone's going to get along with that. But that doesn't mean he isn't unfeeling or uncaring. I'm giving a solid B+.
I think people forget about the Boba Fett thing. Boba, as a clone, had no right to a prison sentence even though he was a child. Without Mace, he likely would have just been killed.
This is what I personally always thought of Mace after seeing all of his screen time (I'm obviously including both the Clone Wars and the Prequels). I personally hope the rumors of Mace Windu getting his own series are true. I hope they develope him in a way that shows that he regrets the way he treated Anakin and Ahsoka. It would be cool to his softer side open more while also keeping some of his hard personality. These are some of my thoughts.
I personally feel that Mace gets to much of the blame when its comes to the fall of the Jedi Order. I feel like Obi Wan and Yoda should share a portion of the blame as well.
As it often happens with these character gradings, it really depends on which version I look at. Movie version: cold, cool, acts badass, but little impact or character development. EU version: Jedi badass who walks a very fine line between the light and dark side of the force, created his own fighting style that was the most powerful and aggressive but could tip one over to the dark side, had way more impact and development. Clone Wars: absolutely OP badass, cool to watch but not much else The Clone Wars: Overly cold and mean, dismissive, “I’m above all of this and all of you” attitude.
AndreNitro X1000 exactly, the EU comics and graphic novels have him a lot more background and characterization. It helps explain why he was so hesitant about Anakin, when he himself exists so close to the dark side and can instantly recognize that in others, like with Quinlan Vos. He did more than just scowl and judge others, he even tried to bring his former pupil of Vaapad back from the dark side (can’t remember that character’s name)
Clone Wars 2008 makes the most sense for movie Windu. 2003 CW Widnu and EU Windu are badass portrayals, but they don't embody the traits he had in the prequels.
So people rate him low because he's effective at doing what he was written to do? What?! I'm also really disappointed how not ONE person brought up Vapaad. His signature fighting style.
Mace Windu is my all time favorite Jedi aside from Anakin and personally I'd give him an A...but storywise I'd give him a B. I think Mace is the entirety of the collective soul, doctrine and morals of the Jedi all rolled into 1 person. He's extremely disciplined, tactical, knowledgeable, perceptive and highly skilled. He takes the Jedi code of not being attached to anyone or anything almost to an extreme, but he also has the heart to defend and protect the weak. He does come off as arrogant at times but I think it's only because he takes things so seriously. He's a stark contrast to Yoda who often finds humor and the light-side to most situations. But Mace was actually right all along about Anakin. He sensed that Anakin was potentially dangerous ever since TPM. The other Jedi seemed to dismiss their early perceptions of Anakin but Mace never did. But it also became a self fulfilling prophecy as Windu's distrust of Anakin is what partially drove him to the darkside. I feel that Windu embodied the Jedi Order at the era of the Clone Wars perfectly, just as Donald Trump embodies America perfectly in this day and age with his flashy image, businessman persona and habitual narcissism. I'm not trying to be political, but instead just show how one person can represent nearly the entire picture of the mood or moral compass of a society
Yes. Mace Windu is the embodiment of a good Jedi: A master of the lightsaber, someone who is great in the force, someone who spends his whole life fighting the dark side both externally and internally, and calm & collective at all times. But he also represent all the Jedi flaws: rigid, distant, almost cold to anyone who don't know what Jedi Masters can be like, and almost an air of arrogance in the way they find that their way is the right way. Mace is what Jedi strove to be, but also the reason the Jedi Order fell from grace. Mace followed the Jedi creed blindly, and because of this he exhibit all the flaws of the Jedi order at that time.
@@fzdreaddy I don't think we read the same book. Shatterpoint was spot on in line with every other interpretation of Mace Windu right down to Jedi Power Battles on Dreamcast, or Obi-Wan on X-box. In fact the movies probably revealed less about the person of Mace Windu than any other other media source. The EU was the place where every movie character that wasn't of top billing got their stories told. And like evey author in the EU, Matt Stover would never have had his book green lit if it's depiction didn't pass muster with George Lucas.
@Aventicity the only difference I saw with the person of Mace in Shatterpoint was that you get his innermost thoughts from his journal. The fact that he FEELS differently in private than he does publicly about Anakin doesn't suprise me, and it speaks to his impartiality as a leader of the Jedi Council.
@@hammerheadms Shatterpoint drastically nerfs Mace and also gets the character wrong. I mean, can you really picture Mace Windu saying "I'm the big dog!" It's a good book, but it's just another _Yoda: Dark Rendezvous._ Dooku is well written there, in a general sense, but they got the character of Dooku wrong. Some movies are good movies, but they're not good Star Wars movies.
The big thing for me, when it comes to my dislike of Mace Windu, is that he had the ABSOLUTE NERVE to claim what Ahsoka went through was the equivalent of the Jedi Trials, that she passed, it's all Gucci. TAKE A SEAT SIR. Did y'all SEE the LOOK on her face when he said that? Wasn't having it. Also yes glad everyone pointed out the "citizen" line....Even Rex was taken aback by that. oof.
@@Luc_fer She was saying that because she was trying to be humble and not step on any toes. Mace didn't have to say it the way he did, especially in front of the other Jedi and, yes, Anakin's right-hand, Rex. It just felt like Mace was taking his frustrations with Anakin out on the people closest to him
@@rosesweetcharlotte FREAKING MIC DROP. Exactly. She was being completely humble and distant; her calling herself a citizen was a clear line drawn and being respectful towards the council. Even when Yoda opened the door for her to come back. But then AGAIN Mace is just "nah bitch sit down." again the fact that even Rex was surprised by Mace's callousness says a lot. This is a man who dealt with Krell after all. Very little would surprise him in terms of Jedi behavior after that.
I find it a little confusing that everyone just sort of takes it as a given that Mace Windu is arrogant. Is he really? When Qui Gon says the Sith are back, he doesn't laugh in his face or chastise Qui Gon for his thinking, he just expresses his doubts but then eventually comes to agree. At the end of AOTC, Windu doesn't boast about how the Jedi are great or that the Republic are great allies, he expresses caution about the Senate. You could say his doubts about Anakin are a sign of arrogance, but the fact is he and the rest of the "stubborn" jedi were 100% right to doubt Anakin, as the movies show. I agree that Mace is a little too abrasive and maybe should have tried to be more kind to Anakin, but the fact that everyone just jumps to calling him arrogant feels like we're just used to saying "the PT jedi are arrogant" in general and not thinking about it any further.
In truth, he is arrogant, an example is with ahsoka, he could not simply accept that the order was wrong, trust with anakin is the same, he despised him when they had fought side by side until anakin saved his life and when others break the rules they did not It matters and he criticizes them but when he breaks them it will not matter since he believes that his decision is more important and believes that if he does it he is doing it for a greater good and that does not work that way since it mace itself represents what the order lost and it shows us that he could be a good leader but he believed that his decision mattered more than anything. it's just an opinion I don't try to argue I like the way you talked about mace but I do see him as a hypocrite
I think Windu is a great character. He views the Republic as the best hope for civilization in the galaxy and he's even said that if killing someone he loves like Yoda would save it he would and he would expect anyone else to do the same. I've never understood the issue of people thinking Anakin should be granted the rank of Master when the whole reason he is on the council was that the Chancellor put him there in the first place when they already elect their own members. He's a controlled and disciplined character who I think is an embodiment of a Jedi Master of the Republic but not so much the Jedi as a whole and that can put him at odds with more popular Jedi like Kenobi who is a Jedi Master of the Order's ideals. The movies I think have the problem of placing Mace as just opposition to Anakin and an example of how the Jedi have fallen. To those who have only seen Mace in the films and television, I'd recommend the RoS novelization and the novel Shatterpoint as I think they do his character much better service.
Anakin was also a certified war hero who risked his life and who, with the help of his men, had just gained two huge military victories. And again, instead of trying to work with Anakin and keep him part of the club, Mace pretty much just expected to use him as an errand boy.
That's the point, the Jedi were corrupted by politics and the Dark Side. Mace is the pinnacle of this corruption, so much so he incorporates some Sark Dide influences into his fighting style... Yes, I saw it and I'm leaving it.
I kind of wish George would've kept how Mace acted towards Anakin in that deleted scene of Episode II when he talks to Kenobi. It would've been even more heart braking if it looked like he cared for Anakin more in the third movie.
It seems to me that a lot of people graded Mace Windu’s approach to Anakin and the Jedi rather than his actual quality as a character. That is, they based their decision on how much they like him as a (fictional) person than on how well developed he is as a character-flaws and all. Presumably they didn’t give Palpatine an F for being a bad guy.
You say funny enough to Sam saying he thinks Mace would have lived but remember according to canon a bisected Maul fell hundreds of feet down a shaft and survived long enough to duel a gray haired Obi-Wan one last time so it's not unreasonable to think a one handed Mace could have done the same even with the added effect of being pumped full of force lightning.
I remember before I was too into star wars, one of my friends who was deep into the eu gushed non stop about how badass mace windu is, he was convinced he was the best Jedi ever, or at least the most badass one. And while he’s not my personal favorite...He REALLY IS BADASS! Although its not as bad as grievous of Quinlan vos, I think mace is another character that suffers from being made less awesome in the new canon. A lot of detail and sublty about his personality and outlook and certain events of his life are overlooked or made mundane. And while he always had been giving anakin grief, I think the clone wars focus too much on making him a jerk like his one interaction with boba seemed out of character to me.
To be fair to TCW-Mace, it's in TCW that we see him have a more human side. We know from that series that he helped get Boba sent to a prison instead of, you know, just being treated like a disobedient clone. And he shows a lot of concern for his men. In a lot of ways, I see his portrayal there as a man who is being worn down by the circumstances just as much as everyone else
Carly Crays you make a good point on that front I must admit. Honestly I’m surprised it even allowed to sent children to max security prison in the republic but thats another issue all together. It can be really easy to judge windu for his adherence to the code but its not like he made them in the first place, or that the force itself was directly telling him and everyone else they were in the wrong. The dark side clouded the Jedis connection to the forces will, so they had to make a lot of calls on their own.
And that is why he lost an arm, got electrocuted to death and then flung out of the window for his arrogance. Whilst Ahsoka fought the empire afterwards and helped actually bring down Palpatine.
I always like it when you talk about how the Jedi did not follow the will of the Force in your videos. I wish you would do more in-depth videos about that. Also, if you have seen it, could do a response to the Philosophy of Kreia video from the UA-cam channel that does not have an actual name. That same channel also uploaded videos called the Failure of the Grey Jedi, the Failure of the Last Jedi, and recently the Foundations of Star Wars. In all his videos there are very interesting points, but I believe he is off in quite a few areas. I'd really like to see you do a response video, if you think you would be up for it.
I love your comment about qui gon telling anakin to feel while the rest of the Jedi tell him not to. His own original experience with Jedi, with the one who was a father figure of sorts, was all about feeling and compassion. Then he ended up with people telling him to curb his feelings. Yes, they encourage compassion, but they don’t teach it well, especially to a kid who is already damaged from growing up as a slave. Then palpatine comes along and constantly tells him to search his feelings and shows him compassion in a manipulative way. This reminds him of his ideal Jedi experience and thus continues the trust in palpatine. That also prepares him to be more easily pushed into the dark side because palpatine focused almost too much on feelings, thus slowly making him more and more controlled by them. Whereas qui gon would have encouraged the acknowledgement and use of feelings without a strict reliance upon them, a more balanced view. But anakin never had the chance to learn that so he went with what felt better and offered him more of what he wanted.
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 And he should have trusted her that the Jedi could still speak of their plans in front of her. It was the likes of him that turned his back on her, not the other way around, as to why she left the Order.
Saltire should he have really? I mean her admission to her still being a citizen meant she still didn’t fully trust the jedi herself. And what the council was considering was basically well...treason. For all windu knew ashoka would have freaked and snitched to palpatine. Sure *we* know she wouldn’t but the audience knows ashoka better.
While Mace comes off as a bit of a pompous ass, I respect that he takes the time to save the life of that AT-TE pilot during the battle to take Ryloth's capitol, and insists on saving the life of the near extinct Zilo Beast. I hope to see more of Samuel L Jackson's Mace Windu. I also love the fact that he legitimately won a one on one duel with Darth Sidious himself!
I highly encourage anyone who wants to learn or know more about the great character of Jedi Master Mace Windu to please read the awesome novel “Shatterpoint” by the incredible Matthew Stover who has given us some of the best SW novels of all time. It’s honestly one of my favorite EU books, before the dark times, before the Disney Empire.
I know it's trivial. But not ONE fucking comment mentioning Vaapad? REALLY?!
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The Jedi council did get pulled into politics, but it wasn't by their own making. *There are 10,000 Jedi in the prequel era* , the *council accounts for 12 of them.* Its the same thing why them fighting in the War. It wasn't a choice, they got drafted into service. They're Republic citizens too. Wanna take a guess who got them drafted and why?
@@rosesweetcharlotte And what would have happened if they said no? Shieev would have made sure to roast them to hell, they would have lost all publicity and all funding. And they felt responsible for the Troopers, as they where not seen as even sentient by the senate how do you think they would have been used by a lot of the Natbornes?
Anakin not getting the rank of Master makes sense to me because he's basically shoehorned onto the Council by Sheev. It's completely outside of the Jedi Order's own system and so abrupt. I mean it's like me a random fan suddenly getting thrown in charge of Lucasfilm or another big project ahead of literally anyone in the industry. I mean that's going to make people rightfully suspicious and upset. Anakin is only 22-23. Sure he's done a lot but he's still so young and has much to learn. I could easily see him becoming a Master down the road when he has a bit more life experience under his belt. Sheev was counting on the tension to further isolate Anakin from any support. A common tactic among abusers. Now as to the spying bit well it does show they have trust in ANAKIN otherwise you wouldn't ask them to spy would you? They are suspicious of Palps because he's amassed all this power and seem reluctant to give it away. A big red flag for a leader. In addition to suddenly appointing Anakin on the council which makes it look like it was a favor done to him. Also if he's already a liaison between the two then he should be reporting what's going on to the Council anyway.
I was just looking through old Star Wars RPG gamebooks by West End Games and found a character listed in the Galaxy Guide 7 Mos Eisley published in 1993, the character is a 1 meter tall alien of the Squib species (a small grey-furred biped with tufted ears) and its name is... Mace Windu!!!
He's badass, intimidating and I like how he represents the negative aspects of the Jedi Order such as their arrogance and their absolute submission to the Jedi Code instead of listening to the will of the Force. I also find it interesting that he specializes in countering powers of the dark side, which really makes him stand out from the rest. However, I think he was somewhat underdeveloped unless you count the EU/Legends. Nevertheless, he is important to Anakin's character arc as he serves as one of the major reasons for Anakin's frustration with the Jedi Council and how judgmental he acts towards him even when he doesn't deserve such treatment.
When are you ever gonna bring & talk about the Legend EU characters like Jaina Solo, Jacen Solo aka Darth Caedus, Starkiller, Dark Lady Lumiya, Bastila Shan, Revan, Satele Shan, Kyle Katarn, Exar Kun, Darth Plagueis, Darth Malgus, Darth Krayt, Darth Bane, Darth Zannah, Quinlan Vos, Corran Horn, Kyp Durron, Darth Malak, Darth Nihilus, Darth Sion, Mara Jade Skywalker, Jerec, Desann, Cade Skywalker, Rahm Kota, Juno Eclipse, Darth Talon, The Mortis Gods, Abeloth, Darth Traya, Grand Admiral Thrawn, Arcann, Senya, Vaylin, Darth Marr, The Yuuzhan Vongs, Lord Scourge, K'Kruhk, & others from Legends EU characters, you only mentioned Bastila, Revan, Plagueis, The Mortis Gods, & Abeloth on your fan fiction story videos BUT you never choose of which characters that YOU want to talk about for but noooo everyone wants to focus on the characters from both of the Shows & Movies NOT from books, comics, & games at all, give us some Legends EU characters for awhile, give them some shines & moments there need more loves damn it geez.
If you like Mace, you've GOT to read the CW novel featuring him, Shatterpoint; it's really cool how well the author captures Sam Jackson's voice, and his characterization carries over into the RotS novelization (by the same author)! I don't recall where I saw this, but someone once joked that his last words as he fell were "I *still* don't grant you the title of Masterrrrrrrr!!" LOL
You have been talking so much of the 2003 Clone Wars series that I finally decided to binge it today. Mace Windu is awesome in it and definitely a much better representation of what I think Mace Windu should have been for the newer CW series. I for one would like for him to have lived, but does he seek "revenge", does he really go into seclusion, or how would they spin his return?
This shows that most people dont understand Mace. "Mace is the main reason or one of the reasons Anakin fell" or maybe its Anakins fault. First example when we talk about the fall of the jedi nobody blames Yoda theyll just says "he realizes he failed and goes into exile" anybody remember that line "rejoice for those who get to rejoin the force" Yoda literally told Anakin "be happy that your loved one is going to die theyll go to heavan". Mace put the Republic above all because the Republic even broken was better than the alternative, Mace cared for the people that's why he was trying to save the Republic. Following the force doesnt save lives. Name an instance in which the will of the force was to help the greater good? You cant in Canon or Legends.
To be fair to Yoda, Anakin wasn't exactly helping. I mean, it's a war. He could have been speaking about any number of people, not just Padme. Had Anakin just been a bit more truthful with Yoda, maybe Yoda would have been able to give actual advise on the situation
@@rosesweetcharlotte i respectfully disagree, Anakin was vague for a reason he would've gotten in more trouble and definitely not got the rank of master because he AGAIN defied the Jedi by having an attachment and a kid(s). Ki-adi was given exception because of species but exposing the scandal would've hurt Padme as well. Also more importantly Yodas advice wouldnt change he essentially says the same thing to Luke in ESB granted the difference here is Yoda was unsure of Anakins status as the boy of prophecy and Luke was the penultimate last chance.
@@josephmoore5422 But doesn't everyone already sort of figure that there's something going on between them anyways? And would Yoda have turned him in so quickly?
“You see that on the handle, Dooku? That’s spells *Bad* *Motherfucker* .” -Mace Windu, probably
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I totally agree with you regarding Jedi having emotions. That is not against rule. Emotions aren't optional. You can't not have them. No willpower in the world would be enough to stop them, and as you most rightly pointed out, you couldn't be a Jedi without emotions. Furthermore, most Jedi aren't humans. Everybody plays by the same rules when it comes to the Force.
I would love if he came back. I would love to see how broken he has become after his fall kinda like Maul. It would be interesting if he is seen in some other series like maybe a Clone Wars type series in the Galactic era where you follow this broken Jedi. It would be fantastic as well if we see his internal struggle and realize how badly he screwed up in the Clone Wars. I really do think with the right writer he can easily become an A tier character.
I really like the way that Mace Windu gets fleshed out in the prequel novelizations. It’s a really cool coincidence that I finished reading them at the same time Thor is doing these polls. My opinion of him changed from someone who I thought was ignorant and cold to someone who is actually deeply caring of the jedi order. This allowed me to empathize with his almost impossible situation he was put in during ROTS.
How about a poll on the current canon of Kyber Crystals? I personally prefer Legends, but it would be nice to see why others like what Disney has changed it to.
People are ranking characters based on how fleshed out they are, which is dumb. They should rate them on how well they serve their purpose. Only main characters absolutely need to be fleshed out.
I think the mistake was to let Anakin on the council in the first place. He wouldn't have been outraged about his rank if he wasn't on the council, and he wouldn't have gotten the chance to interfere with the battle against Sidious.
I play Jedi Academy during quarantine and I assume the choices of lightsaber you have (yellow, orange, purple) comes directly from Jackson’s awesomeness 😍 so thank you for that Samuel L.
One thing I thought about: even after Anakin willingly taddle-tells on Palpatine, literally fulfilling a task given to him by the Council even though he does not like it, Mace Windu straight up tells him that Anakin still hasn't earned Mace Windu's trust unless his claims have been proven correct.
Thor Skywalker, was there any mention in the comments about Shatterpoint, the clone wars novel that focuses on Mace Windu and another Jedi that he trained as he comes to terms with the dark side of the force and the effect the clone wars had on him and the jedi in general? That book was a pretty solid novel from what I remember... but it's been a long time since I've read that one particular book.
I'm not a fan of Mace myself, BUT, I will give him this: He TOLD Anakin (paraphrasing here): 'Just sit here, and let us do this, and everything will all be OK. You'll gain my trust, You'll get your promotion, the war will be over, you'll be a hero, and your wife will be fine, and you and Obi-wan can be BFFs for the rest of your life! Just SIT HERE and DO NOTHING' He tried. Oh, and i do like Mace's saber style.
Theory: Mace Windu escaped to the uncharted area, where Ezra and Thrawn are. And while Ezra was surprised to meet him, Ezra had no idea what his true motives were. Mace convinced him not to get involved in the rest of the Galactic Civil War, because Mace had other plans for Ezra, after seeing his force powers. Ahsoka, Sabine and Rex head to the location were Ezra is located, but Ezra's ideals have changed long since they last meet him. Mace Windu had warped Ezra's ideals to suit his own needs like Palpatine and Anakin, so it's up to Ahsoka, Sabine and Rex to snap him out of it.
Mace does have strong emotions, he just hardly lets them shine through. The main reason why he scored so low is a) because he antagonised Anakin (bing right in many regards) and b) because most people aren't familiar with the novels of shatterpoint, labyrinth of evil and revenge of the sith. Those three novels clearly show Mace caring for Depa, his padawan and almost daughter to him and explicitly stating his love for the republic and the turmoil he is pushed into upon discovering Sidious due to this.
@@goodmind4940 so Mace can go and assasinate the democratically elected leader of the Republic and take a dump on the jedi code which he keeps bashing Anakin in the head with? Dont think so.
The only person that is in the end at fault for Anakins fall, is Anakin. In the end he chooses to fall, he killed children, he watched as his troopers mind got taken from them, he watched them become slaves.
I agree completely with Master Windu and Anakin’s reaction proved it. He was not worthy to be a Jedi Master, giving him that rank would’ve been a mistake.
Of all the jedi from the movies, he's the one I'd really like to see a back-story movie about. A young Mace Windu movie would be (okay, COULD be) fun IMO.
9:35 qui-gon-Jinn tells Aniken to feel not think because he’s a child and he has no True understanding of the force. So the only actual advice he can give him is to use his heart instead of knowledge which he doesn’t have. This is wisdom on behalf of the character Qui Gon Jinn to a ignorant Force sensitive child.
Why is it that week after week we’re choosing prequel characters? I want to see characters like Han and Leia ranked beside the rest of the characters. We literally picked Ventress before Han Solo! I’m not hating on this channel, I love the content and it isn’t Thor’s fault, but why are we the audience not picking half the main characters in the skywalker saga?
I mean yeah we got luke but thats just the tip of the iceberg. You’d think at least vader or chewbaca would be on here by now Me i’m just wondering if any legends characters will make it on here pfft.
I think that Mace Window is a character that still needs to be explored but has the potential to become an A tear character. We don't see him a lot in the prequels nor clone wars, but we do get a sense of what kind of jedi he is. I think that if there was to be an anthology movie about mace window, it should be set before episode 2 or even before episode 1, so that we get to see how he became the kind of jedi that he is in episode 2 or 3.
He’s arrogant and fearful the embodiment of what is wrong with the Jedi so do I like him no but I’m not supposed to like so bravo the character did what he’s supposed to do and symbolize the worst part of the Jedi
I like him as a character and I like that he is a badass but I hate his philosophy since he looked like the one who always followed the rules and if others broke them that was not good but if he broke them it would not matter.
Here’s the thing about the master issue. What makes someone a Jedi Master isn’t their power and skill, but their overall academic and philosophical understanding of the Force. Simply put, Anakin was not ready to be a Jedi master. Luke Skywalker in Legends said it best with this quote: “Making someone a Jedi Master based on their power and skill is the equivalent of saying a little toddler waving around a proton bomb is equipped to teach a college course”. Yes he was Ahsoka’s master, but I felt it was an unofficial ranking for him. He was only in that position because Yoda and the other Jedi wanted to see if this sort of responsibility could change Anakin’s ways. Low and behold, it didn’t. He just didn’t have the emotional maturity to be a Jedi master. Had the Order not fallen, and had he been given time, he could’ve matured over time.
Broom Boy from Episode 8. A "Ezra-like" live action or animated spin-off following Broom Boy from child to post-teen could sooth the burn from low quality TLJ abomination. Do a "what if" segment on the possibilities of Broom Boy adventures.
The whole citizen thing is not on him it’s on her. She wanted to proceed as a citizen then she doesn’t get to be privy to conversations outside of that. They were wrong for how they turned on her but she doesn’t get to be both.
Mace was flexing his position in front of the other Jedi, Yoda, and even Rex. He wanted to remind everyone there that Ahsoka, and by extension, Anakin, weren't such hot stuff
I also want to point out that when Mace had Sidious at blade point,fans were talking about how hypocritical it was for Mace to try and kill Sidious since he goes by the doctrine of"it is not the Jedi way to take a defenseless person's life"for starters Yes I agree it isn't the Jedi way but palpatine was literally using the force as a weapon by shooting force lightning at him he was not defenseless. And besides initially Mace was going to take him in and it wasn't only until he felt sidious's power literally threatening to turn him into a charred husk with lightning was when he resolved to take his life. Despite the fact that we knew palpatine was faking being too weak, Mace Windu didn't but I understand why he would throw his convictions to the wall at this particular point because not only does this guy have too much influence over the republic courts and the Senate but Sidious was literally too powerful as he said. Again that doesn't make it right him being a hypocrite but I understand in that crucial moment he was probably thinking"it took everything I had just to push this lightning back no handcuffs would be able to bind this dude He's literally too strong and dangerous"like we saw the strain on his face as he was struggling to keep the lightning at bay Like who's to say once they get him in cuffs and start walking him away, Sidious could have called the clones or the senate guards to deal with Mace and Anakin? Or even worse what if palpatine manages to crack his shackles because we know damn well he could(we've seen Ahsoka do it in clone wars season 4 when she was a slave girl and she straight up just tore off her shock collar) So there's no reason as to why Darth Sidious, a more highly skilled force user than Ahsoka couldn't and let's not forget that Sidious also has a spare lightsaber in reserve The one he lost wasn't the only one . You could feel however you want to about Mace Windu betraying his morals but it doesn't change the fact that palpatine HAD TO DIE that day. Palpatine's mere existence as a sith lord threatened everyone including not only Mace himself, but the people in the temple and the people in the republic. It doesn't matter if being a sith lord isn't a crime this man was literally going to (and he did) destroy the Democratic foundation of the republic and transform it into a fascist regime. It reminded me of something that Migs Mayfeld said in the mandalorian, we all Stick to our codes until things are at their worst" or something around those lines. Basically put, I feel it is ok to call out Mace Windu but palpatine needed to die that day at that exact moment because if he didn't.... Well just take a look the rest of revenge of the sith, The new bad batch series coming out, rebels, rogue one, and the original trilogy.
The trickiest thing mith Mace is that all the stuff to make him an A character are there but barely mentioned or left completely untouched even when it would have taken just a couple of scenes or just lines to throw in there and they would have without further explanations just naturally fitted in on the overall story. Like the theory that Mace saw himself as the most potentieal chosen one since he was known as the most powerfull Jedi and the leading member of the council. Also that his lightsaber symbolised the balance and all this made him very suspicious, scared and jealous of Anakin's undeniable Midichlorian amounts.
I picture mace coming back like ahsoka did as ahsoka the white. I can imagine mace clearly with one hand walking and looking off into the distance in a cloak or something. With a look on his face that he knows he was wrong and he had lost his way and that the absence of his hand and his power taught him to be more connected to the force
Ahsoka would have been Knighted had she accepted a return, but technically you are correct. It was clear Anakin possessed the power of a master, but not the temperament.
I would have send windu(one of a kind purple lightsaber vapaad & shatterpoint are the bomb next to that tulak horde freedon nadd,exar kun ,lord scourge ,revan ,darth marr,galen marek"starkiller"\starkiller II, darth krayt , darth wredd(revan not cannon purple& was blue before turning purple windu always had purple)
Imagine a Disney plus Mace Windu show. There could be sooo much of the past that haunts him then maybe one of the force ghosts reminds him that jedi protected the people and listened to the force to guide them
I love Mace Windu. He is technically a good guy, a jedi master, and yet for the prequel movies he is a underlying nemesis to Anakin, a road block Anakin's path to become an official jedi master and a big reason why Anakin sided with the Sith. I understand that Mace is arrogant and stuff, but thats who he is, his character embodies the ideas of the jedi at the time, as someone already said, Mace puts the jedi code above the force itself. Mace Windu is one of my favorite characters and i would love to see him again in live action
Thor, unrelated to Windu specifically, but it’s funny that you brought up the line QGJ tells Anakin in Menace about “feeling and not thinking.” I just realized that in the very next movie, Obi wan scolds Anakin for doing just that and tells him instead to “think.” Just one more subtle touch from Lucas that I never picked up on until I watched your video
I would argue that he is a great example of the influence the dark side was having on the Council as the war dragged on. In Dark Disciple [spoilers] he seemed to be the one who was pushing for the assassination of Dooku, and subsequently for wanting to kill Quinlan Vos after he fell to the dark side on that ill conceived mission. He seemed to take the lead in expelling Ahsoka to save face with the Republic. Even the way that he tried to arrest Palpatine was hasty and reckless, showing his arrogance. And this may not be a popular comment, but he was wrong to try to kill Palpatine at all, and Anakin was right to try to stop him (frankly if he had succeeded in striking down Palpatine in anger, he may have fallen to the Dark Side himself). Mace was not evil and his intentions were genuine. But he had lost the way and his views were too rigid and corrupted to learn what the Force was trying to teach the Jedi. Yoda and Ahsoka were humble enough to see through the fog, but the Dark Side clouded most of the Jedi's vision.
The only way I really see the character is the legends version since canon does him no justice whatsoever in every medium. Movies he's good we just dont knw much of him. TCW he comes across as a cold dick sometimes but then u can also tell at times that he cares for his troops in a subtle way yet gets on wid it since its war. Books and comics kinda nonexistent. In legends he was unique in that his inherent darkness was far more pronounced and present compared to most average beings to the point where he walked the line of the light by balancing himself and then created a lightsaber form to compliment it, being he only person capable of doing so without falling to the dark sids. I loved the moment where we see his thought process in ROTS novelisation where he is willing to sacrifice the jedi principles to save the republic since it's the very thing that allows the galaxy to remain as stable as possible through democracy. It showed just how human he was and how his cold nature was acc inaccurate to the man he was. It also showed just how far the jedi had fallen by choosing to sacrifice his duty as a jedi in order to save the republic and was just confirmation to anakin, although personally while being against the jedi way, it's the rational thing to do imo, keeping sidious alive while in power was too great a risk. Besides all that he was one of the most powerful jedi to exist being second only to yoda and arguably sidious in his time, tho he defeated sidious in the duel so uno. If he ever fell to the dark side he would honestly mop the floor wid most beings except for those such as the ones, abeloth or perhaps vitiate.
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I love the fact that at the beginning Samuel L Jackson wanted a purple lightsaber only to be seen during the battle of Geonosis but after that in the Star Wars universe the purple lightsaber became the weapon of a jedi who can fight with rage without falling to the darkside (like Mace Windu) or who philosophically speaking is a synthesis between the siths and the jedis (like Revan or Kreia) because Blue + Red = Purple 👍🏻😄
wonder why anakin' saber wasnt purple, besides well the ot
@@1heKing Anakin just straight-up fights with rage and falls to the darkside
"For your own good, stay out of this affair. I sense a great deal of confusion in you,
young Thor Skywalker. There is much fear that clouds your judgment."
Yes master
I am your 66th like. >:)
Edit: nvm, someone pussied out of Order 66.
Terrible line
@@turtleislandlac1490 what do you mean? he was right!
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 I didn't say he was wrong. The dialogue just sounded mechanical.
Take a seat: A Mace Windu story
Grab Some Seat Kid : A Greezy Money Story
*starts singing in a lil jon voice*
From the windu, to the fall...
This Party’s Over. A Mace Windu story
Citizen: An Ahsoka Tank Story.
Don't fall out of the Windu, the sequel.
Say “grant me the rank of master” again. Say “grant me the rank of master” again, I dare you, I double dare you nerf herder, say “grant me the rank of master” one more Goddamn time!
-Mace Windu
😂😂😂
If you censored it to "nerf herder" shouldn't you also have censored out "God" in "Goddamn"?
Anakin got the last laugh after chopping his arm off. That's what he got for not granting him the rank of master.
T A K E A S E A T
I disagree with several things Mace Windu did (like trying to justify killing Palpatine and not trusting Anakin) but not making Anakin a master was entirely justified.
No one that young had *ever* been on the council before, so Anakin being allowed in was a huge honor. Plus, the only reason he had a claim to be there was because the chancellor "appointed" him. To keep the devision of power and limit the chancellor's obvious attempt at gaining influence amongst the Jedi, it made complete political sense not to make Anakin a master and give him voting power. A vote by Anakin would essentially be a vote from Palpatine.
But most importantly, Anakin was simply not worthy of being a master. And no, I'm not talking about his raw power and skill. Being a master requires maturity, experience, a dedication to the Jedi way, and emotional stability, all things Anakin clearly did not possess. His outburst upon being denied the rank proves he was not worthy. Anakin still had some serious issues he needed to work out and the solution to this problem was not placiating him with more power he could not handle.
When a child throws a fit and overreacts became he didn't get something he wants, you don't solve the problem by giving him what he wanted. That just makes the problem worse and doesn't make the child a better person. Anakin needed to learn humility and emotional control. Making him a master would just give him more problems and make his ego and sense of entitlement worse. Mace Windu made the right call here. Anakin was the one who dropped the ball with his overreaction.
**Sigh** it seems Obi Wan and the Council don't trust me 😔😔
@@anakinskywalker549, I do trust you. But you can trusting someone while also acknowledging their faults in hopes that they will grow as people and better themselves.
I'm the closest thing you have for a father Anakin and part of that responsibility means looking out for you and placing you in situation were you can succeed. Any good parent trusts their kids, but they also keep them aways from things that can damage them and make sure they earn their responsibilities.
I didn't make you a master because I knew you were not ready, that appointing you as such would damage your emotional stability and morality in the long run. Making you a master would be dangerous for yourself and you still needed time before you were ready to rise to such a level. It's not that I didn't trust you, it's just that I knew you were not ready. Do not take this as an insult, I'm did it because I care about you and sometimes, boundaries is what people need to succeed.
And I did trust you, evidenced by how I asked you to spy on the chancellor. That was a crucial job only you could do! If you had simply done your job and retained an aura of humility, you would have demonstrated the maturity to become a master. Accepting your role in all this would have led to your ranking as a master in no time.
Lest we forget, no one at your age had even been declare a master. No need to be mad at something not being given you that was unprecedented. ;-)
_Don't lecture me Obi-Wan. I see through the lies of the Jedi. I do not fear the Dark Side as you do. I have brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to my new Empire!_
@@anakinskywalker549 _Your new Empire?!! Anakin my allegiance is to the Republic, TO DEMOCRACY!!!_
If you're not with me, then you're my *_enemy_*
I like him. But I wish we would have seen a lot more of him.
C-3PO; it’s time for a meme character to be voted on!
I’ve been putting him down from the beginning
Everyone conveniently forgets how he's basically lived through the entire Skywalker saga, so he has countless records of galactic history since 22 BBY.
3PO is unironically an A+
@@ninyaninjabrifsanovichthes45 He got his memory wiped at the end of RotS. R2's the one with the records.
Are people actually that upset about the citizen line? I mean he’s not wrong
In my opinion it's due to the way he said it, and the passive aggressive attitude I guess you could say, towards Ahsoka. While she meant the citizen line in order to establish her distance due to her still struggling with the treatment she received from them (Mace specifically) before leaving the order, I got the vibe that Mace just got petty about it
I don't understand folks. Sure, Windu's delivery might be a bit cold... but Ahsoka is no longer a Jedi and thus should no longer concern herself with the affairs of the Jedi.
The point is how he said it, like he's trying to remind her that she isn't a Jedi and that she needs to learn her place.
It comes down to technically correct vs actually being right. While yes, he's technically correct that she's just a citizen, she's helping the jedi hunt for the sith master, she deserves to be part of their discussion about that. Now, it's perfectly in character for Mace to say something like that, so I'm not mad about it, but it certainly wasn't the right thing to do.
Aleks Savic love that response I think that's a great way to put it. Similar to how Mace wouldn't trust Anakin with such discussions either
If nothing else I like the idea behind him, how he's essentially represents the Warrior aspect of the Jedi while Yoda represents the Philosopher/Monk aspect. Plus the idea of him being such a good duelist even Palpatine couldn't beat him is pretty badass.
Regardless of what you think of Mace Windu in my opinion he is a badass Jedi.
I agree. Yes he is arrogant and stuff, but thats what makes him unique, that and his purple lightsaber. He is the living embodiment of a road block for Anakin to becoming a jedi master, and at the final test, Anakin fails.
I would love to see Mace Windu in live action again.
Yep he is a badass but he represents how the jedi order becomes hypocritical and he could be badass and more open to make a good jedi since in the end everything to follow the rules and be the most faithful of the order went to hell for following his own interests showing that he was not ready to be next in command of the Jedi order. Its only my opinion
True.
He's a character that actually makes you dislike the Jedi, and came to encapsulate the arrogance and decadence of the Order in its final days. He was a politician, not a Jedi.
That's what it says on his wallet
I don't think it was a "mistake" to deny Anakin rank of Master. Although it eventually alienated him and served as a catalyst for his turn to the dark side, the fact that this is so is evidence he clearly didn't have the temperament to be a master. So in principle, the Jedi were correct to deny him the rank, although they certainly made other mistakes to aid Anakin's turn.
To be fair Anakin never did any of the trials, Windu probably wanted to keep with tradition since it was already broken once by making Anakin a Knight.
Not to mention the fact that Anakin would have been Palpatine's puppet. The Jedi would never allow that, even if Anakin did have the proper temperament and maturity.
Movie Anakin didn't have the temperament but CW Anakin did.
@@stunner9005 to be honest not even in the Old Republic did the trials of knights and Masters during times of crisis. It was all done on merit during times of crisis. Ani did more than enough to warrant the rank of knight and if CW Anaikin part of cannon, showed that he was at the rank of master before RotS.
The issue is Windu was by far the worst aspects of a Jedi. He was attached by being disattached from his surroundings. He cared little for the force except when it was convientent. His whole goal was to use his seat to influence the council in the affairs of the Republic. At the end all Windu cared about was the republic, not the force or his fellow Jedi.
@@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773 Exactlyyyy he is a hypocriteee, that he believed that his decision was the most important and while others break the rules he defends them but when he broke them he had an excuse for them. An example is with Ahsoka she took you to the ex former sith who killed your brother of the Jedi order called Quigon Jin and you treat her like a stranger, na menn mace does not deserve to be at the next command of the Jedi in the order
Canon Windu feels a bit like a hypocritical jackass despite him being skilled and powerful. I prefer the way he was portrayed in the EU, like in the ROTS novelization where he is in fact a patriot for the Republic that would be willing to save the Republic at all costs, leading him to act against the Jedi’s principals.
*Claps hands*
so he's too political?
Андрей Шурочка not really, he wants the government to thrive but he doesn’t take part in its intricacies and is willing to go against it if it means doing the right thing.
But the Canon Mace serves a purpose. He portrays how the Jedi fell.
Is patriotism again the Jedi code? Seems kinda attaching..
Mace Windu vs Nick Fury: Samuel L. Jackson Civil War
Mace: this party’s over
@@AndreNitroX Not until Jules shows up...
Too bad the Sith Fleet didn't have Fury on board, he could have told them how to find which way is up!
Mace isn't my favorite Jedi but in looking at him more closely I think he's a good dude. Sure he's more serious and intimidating as befitting a character played by Samuel L. Jackson but that doesn't mean he's uncaring. We see him save his clone troopers during the Ryloth Arc, he expresses concern about the well-being of the Zillo beast and in his comics we see him talking about emotion as a shared language between peoples. He even tries to get Boba a lighter sentence and a fellow Jedi who suddenly turns and attacks him he not only doesn't kill him but instead of prison sends him to work in the archives in the hopes the Jedi reassess his choices. Heck he's even nicer to Jar Jar of all people then Qui-Gon.
Now on the Ahsoka bit? I love her but it was SHE who set the boundary and called herself citizen in the first place. Mace is keeping that boundary SHE set up and she doesn't get mad at him for it. He may have not been the kindest about it but he's got a lot on his plate at the moment. Also she's no longer part of the Jedi Order nor the GAR. You can't just share classified intel with someone outside of the command structure, even if you know and trusted them before. It could get people killed.
Then of course he's willing to be the fall guy to take out the sadistic, psychopathic dictator who has done all the crimes against humanity and then some. No, the galaxy is probably not going to believe Palps is Space Satan or fully know the atrocities he had and would continue to commit for the next 23 years. Meaning Mace is likely going to jail. But he's willing to make that sacrifice for the good of the galaxy.
So yeah, Mace is more of a hard personality and not everyone's going to get along with that. But that doesn't mean he isn't unfeeling or uncaring. I'm giving a solid B+.
This is my sentiment entirely.
I think people forget about the Boba Fett thing. Boba, as a clone, had no right to a prison sentence even though he was a child. Without Mace, he likely would have just been killed.
This is what I personally always thought of Mace after seeing all of his screen time (I'm obviously including both the Clone Wars and the Prequels). I personally hope the rumors of Mace Windu getting his own series are true. I hope they develope him in a way that shows that he regrets the way he treated Anakin and Ahsoka. It would be cool to his softer side open more while also keeping some of his hard personality.
These are some of my thoughts.
I personally feel that Mace gets to much of the blame when its comes to the fall of the Jedi Order. I feel like Obi Wan and Yoda should share a portion of the blame as well.
when did mace lower boba's sentence? i dont doubt you, i just want to know
As it often happens with these character gradings, it really depends on which version I look at.
Movie version: cold, cool, acts badass, but little impact or character development.
EU version: Jedi badass who walks a very fine line between the light and dark side of the force, created his own fighting style that was the most powerful and aggressive but could tip one over to the dark side, had way more impact and development.
Clone Wars: absolutely OP badass, cool to watch but not much else
The Clone Wars: Overly cold and mean, dismissive, “I’m above all of this and all of you” attitude.
He’s the master of Vaapad also have you ever read the comic where mace and 3 Jedi annihilate a bounty hunters Guild
AndreNitro X1000 exactly, the EU comics and graphic novels have him a lot more background and characterization. It helps explain why he was so hesitant about Anakin, when he himself exists so close to the dark side and can instantly recognize that in others, like with Quinlan Vos.
He did more than just scowl and judge others, he even tried to bring his former pupil of Vaapad back from the dark side (can’t remember that character’s name)
@@SendReinforcements his name was sora bulq, yes again the eu proves to have more meat than Disney flimsy canon
Clone Wars 2008 makes the most sense for movie Windu. 2003 CW Widnu and EU Windu are badass portrayals, but they don't embody the traits he had in the prequels.
"Hand me my lightsaber."
"Which one?"
"The purple one that says 'Bad Motherfxxker.'
So people rate him low because he's effective at doing what he was written to do? What?!
I'm also really disappointed how not ONE person brought up Vapaad. His signature fighting style.
Vaapad is too op, every vs match up makes it a trump card or automatic win for windu, even against high tier sith like exar kun or darth bane.
Mace Windu is my all time favorite Jedi aside from Anakin and personally I'd give him an A...but storywise I'd give him a B. I think Mace is the entirety of the collective soul, doctrine and morals of the Jedi all rolled into 1 person. He's extremely disciplined, tactical, knowledgeable, perceptive and highly skilled. He takes the Jedi code of not being attached to anyone or anything almost to an extreme, but he also has the heart to defend and protect the weak. He does come off as arrogant at times but I think it's only because he takes things so seriously. He's a stark contrast to Yoda who often finds humor and the light-side to most situations. But Mace was actually right all along about Anakin. He sensed that Anakin was potentially dangerous ever since TPM. The other Jedi seemed to dismiss their early perceptions of Anakin but Mace never did. But it also became a self fulfilling prophecy as Windu's distrust of Anakin is what partially drove him to the darkside. I feel that Windu embodied the Jedi Order at the era of the Clone Wars perfectly, just as Donald Trump embodies America perfectly in this day and age with his flashy image, businessman persona and habitual narcissism. I'm not trying to be political, but instead just show how one person can represent nearly the entire picture of the mood or moral compass of a society
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Yes. Mace Windu is the embodiment of a good Jedi: A master of the lightsaber, someone who is great in the force, someone who spends his whole life fighting the dark side both externally and internally, and calm & collective at all times. But he also represent all the Jedi flaws: rigid, distant, almost cold to anyone who don't know what Jedi Masters can be like, and almost an air of arrogance in the way they find that their way is the right way.
Mace is what Jedi strove to be, but also the reason the Jedi Order fell from grace. Mace followed the Jedi creed blindly, and because of this he exhibit all the flaws of the Jedi order at that time.
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On the EU basis alone, Mace is an "A". Shatterpoint is a phenomenal book, and definitely affected my decision to give Master Windu such high praise.
Yes dude! I wish Matthew stover would write some new Star Wars novels
Aventicity Cause its a horrible book, with a different interpretation of Mace than anywhere else..
@@fzdreaddy I don't think we read the same book. Shatterpoint was spot on in line with every other interpretation of Mace Windu right down to Jedi Power Battles on Dreamcast, or Obi-Wan on X-box. In fact the movies probably revealed less about the person of Mace Windu than any other other media source. The EU was the place where every movie character that wasn't of top billing got their stories told. And like evey author in the EU, Matt Stover would never have had his book green lit if it's depiction didn't pass muster with George Lucas.
@Aventicity the only difference I saw with the person of Mace in Shatterpoint was that you get his innermost thoughts from his journal. The fact that he FEELS differently in private than he does publicly about Anakin doesn't suprise me, and it speaks to his impartiality as a leader of the Jedi Council.
@@hammerheadms Shatterpoint drastically nerfs Mace and also gets the character wrong. I mean, can you really picture Mace Windu saying "I'm the big dog!" It's a good book, but it's just another _Yoda: Dark Rendezvous._ Dooku is well written there, in a general sense, but they got the character of Dooku wrong. Some movies are good movies, but they're not good Star Wars movies.
The big thing for me, when it comes to my dislike of Mace Windu, is that he had the ABSOLUTE NERVE to claim what Ahsoka went through was the equivalent of the Jedi Trials, that she passed, it's all Gucci. TAKE A SEAT SIR. Did y'all SEE the LOOK on her face when he said that? Wasn't having it. Also yes glad everyone pointed out the "citizen" line....Even Rex was taken aback by that. oof.
"the force works in mysterious ways" = "we know that you've been through a lot, and some of that maybe or maybe not wasn't because of us"
I think I agree with the fact that we're supposed to hate him. Maybe they did their job a little tooooo well 😅
Ahsoka called herself citizen first. Keep that in mind
@@Luc_fer She was saying that because she was trying to be humble and not step on any toes. Mace didn't have to say it the way he did, especially in front of the other Jedi and, yes, Anakin's right-hand, Rex.
It just felt like Mace was taking his frustrations with Anakin out on the people closest to him
@@rosesweetcharlotte FREAKING MIC DROP. Exactly. She was being completely humble and distant; her calling herself a citizen was a clear line drawn and being respectful towards the council. Even when Yoda opened the door for her to come back. But then AGAIN Mace is just "nah bitch sit down." again the fact that even Rex was surprised by Mace's callousness says a lot. This is a man who dealt with Krell after all. Very little would surprise him in terms of Jedi behavior after that.
"chancellor" Palpatine could call Mace Windu “citizen” .
He put him in his place, right out of the Windu.
I find it a little confusing that everyone just sort of takes it as a given that Mace Windu is arrogant. Is he really? When Qui Gon says the Sith are back, he doesn't laugh in his face or chastise Qui Gon for his thinking, he just expresses his doubts but then eventually comes to agree. At the end of AOTC, Windu doesn't boast about how the Jedi are great or that the Republic are great allies, he expresses caution about the Senate. You could say his doubts about Anakin are a sign of arrogance, but the fact is he and the rest of the "stubborn" jedi were 100% right to doubt Anakin, as the movies show. I agree that Mace is a little too abrasive and maybe should have tried to be more kind to Anakin, but the fact that everyone just jumps to calling him arrogant feels like we're just used to saying "the PT jedi are arrogant" in general and not thinking about it any further.
With Mace I always felt his main issue was ignorance rather than arrogance
@@frozenandchosen That's still sort of arrogant, though. I mean, you have to be really arrogant to just willfully ignore what he saw
In truth, he is arrogant, an example is with ahsoka, he could not simply accept that the order was wrong, trust with anakin is the same, he despised him when they had fought side by side until anakin saved his life and when others break the rules they did not It matters and he criticizes them but when he breaks them it will not matter since he believes that his decision is more important and believes that if he does it he is doing it for a greater good and that does not work that way since it mace itself represents what the order lost and it shows us that he could be a good leader but he believed that his decision mattered more than anything. it's just an opinion I don't try to argue I like the way you talked about mace but I do see him as a hypocrite
I think Windu is a great character. He views the Republic as the best hope for civilization in the galaxy and he's even said that if killing someone he loves like Yoda would save it he would and he would expect anyone else to do the same. I've never understood the issue of people thinking Anakin should be granted the rank of Master when the whole reason he is on the council was that the Chancellor put him there in the first place when they already elect their own members. He's a controlled and disciplined character who I think is an embodiment of a Jedi Master of the Republic but not so much the Jedi as a whole and that can put him at odds with more popular Jedi like Kenobi who is a Jedi Master of the Order's ideals. The movies I think have the problem of placing Mace as just opposition to Anakin and an example of how the Jedi have fallen.
To those who have only seen Mace in the films and television, I'd recommend the RoS novelization and the novel Shatterpoint as I think they do his character much better service.
Anakin was also a certified war hero who risked his life and who, with the help of his men, had just gained two huge military victories. And again, instead of trying to work with Anakin and keep him part of the club, Mace pretty much just expected to use him as an errand boy.
@@rosesweetcharlotte And he was not ready for the title Master. He didn't have the control. And all that goes with it.
Jedi like Mace are why the Jedi fell apart
That's the point, the Jedi were corrupted by politics and the Dark Side. Mace is the pinnacle of this corruption, so much so he incorporates some Sark Dide influences into his fighting style...
Yes, I saw it and I'm leaving it.
Matthew Stryletz lol
I kind of wish George would've kept how Mace acted towards Anakin in that deleted scene of Episode II when he talks to Kenobi. It would've been even more heart braking if it looked like he cared for Anakin more in the third movie.
It seems to me that a lot of people graded Mace Windu’s approach to Anakin and the Jedi rather than his actual quality as a character. That is, they based their decision on how much they like him as a (fictional) person than on how well developed he is as a character-flaws and all. Presumably they didn’t give Palpatine an F for being a bad guy.
You say funny enough to Sam saying he thinks Mace would have lived but remember according to canon a bisected Maul fell hundreds of feet down a shaft and survived long enough to duel a gray haired Obi-Wan one last time so it's not unreasonable to think a one handed Mace could have done the same even with the added effect of being pumped full of force lightning.
I remember before I was too into star wars, one of my friends who was deep into the eu gushed non stop about how badass mace windu is, he was convinced he was the best Jedi ever, or at least the most badass one. And while he’s not my personal favorite...He REALLY IS BADASS!
Although its not as bad as grievous of Quinlan vos, I think mace is another character that suffers from being made less awesome in the new canon. A lot of detail and sublty about his personality and outlook and certain events of his life are overlooked or made mundane. And while he always had been giving anakin grief, I think the clone wars focus too much on making him a jerk like his one interaction with boba seemed out of character to me.
To be fair to TCW-Mace, it's in TCW that we see him have a more human side. We know from that series that he helped get Boba sent to a prison instead of, you know, just being treated like a disobedient clone. And he shows a lot of concern for his men.
In a lot of ways, I see his portrayal there as a man who is being worn down by the circumstances just as much as everyone else
Carly Crays you make a good point on that front I must admit. Honestly I’m surprised it even allowed to sent children to max security prison in the republic but thats another issue all together. It can be really easy to judge windu for his adherence to the code but its not like he made them in the first place, or that the force itself was directly telling him and everyone else they were in the wrong. The dark side clouded the Jedis connection to the forces will, so they had to make a lot of calls on their own.
Lol, you mouth off to Windu, he slaps you right back, CITIZEN.
And that is why he lost an arm, got electrocuted to death and then flung out of the window for his arrogance. Whilst Ahsoka fought the empire afterwards and helped actually bring down Palpatine.
Can't believe people are salty about that comment lol
@@shugaroony no, all those things happened because windu was right about anakin!
I always like it when you talk about how the Jedi did not follow the will of the Force in your videos. I wish you would do more in-depth videos about that. Also, if you have seen it, could do a response to the Philosophy of Kreia video from the UA-cam channel that does not have an actual name. That same channel also uploaded videos called the Failure of the Grey Jedi, the Failure of the Last Jedi, and recently the Foundations of Star Wars. In all his videos there are very interesting points, but I believe he is off in quite a few areas. I'd really like to see you do a response video, if you think you would be up for it.
I love your comment about qui gon telling anakin to feel while the rest of the Jedi tell him not to. His own original experience with Jedi, with the one who was a father figure of sorts, was all about feeling and compassion. Then he ended up with people telling him to curb his feelings. Yes, they encourage compassion, but they don’t teach it well, especially to a kid who is already damaged from growing up as a slave. Then palpatine comes along and constantly tells him to search his feelings and shows him compassion in a manipulative way. This reminds him of his ideal Jedi experience and thus continues the trust in palpatine. That also prepares him to be more easily pushed into the dark side because palpatine focused almost too much on feelings, thus slowly making him more and more controlled by them. Whereas qui gon would have encouraged the acknowledgement and use of feelings without a strict reliance upon them, a more balanced view. But anakin never had the chance to learn that so he went with what felt better and offered him more of what he wanted.
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That “citizen” line was savage
Yeah ashoka literally called herself a citizen a few lines earlier the had it coming.
This party’s over is more savage
@@GreaterGrievobeast55 And he should have trusted her that the Jedi could still speak of their plans in front of her. It was the likes of him that turned his back on her, not the other way around, as to why she left the Order.
Saltire should he have really? I mean her admission to her still being a citizen meant she still didn’t fully trust the jedi herself. And what the council was considering was basically well...treason. For all windu knew ashoka would have freaked and snitched to palpatine. Sure *we* know she wouldn’t but the audience knows ashoka better.
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I have a love-hate relationship with this character. I love him on his badassness. I hate him for treating Anakin like shit.
I sooo badly want Samuel l Jackson back in Star Wars
While Mace comes off as a bit of a pompous ass, I respect that he takes the time to save the life of that AT-TE pilot during the battle to take Ryloth's capitol, and insists on saving the life of the near extinct Zilo Beast. I hope to see more of Samuel L Jackson's Mace Windu. I also love the fact that he legitimately won a one on one duel with Darth Sidious himself!
I highly encourage anyone who wants to learn or know more about the great character of Jedi Master Mace Windu to please read the awesome novel “Shatterpoint” by the incredible Matthew Stover who has given us some of the best SW novels of all time. It’s honestly one of my favorite EU books, before the dark times, before the Disney Empire.
I know it's trivial. But not ONE fucking comment mentioning Vaapad? REALLY?!
The Jedi council did get pulled into politics, but it wasn't by their own making. *There are 10,000 Jedi in the prequel era* , the *council accounts for 12 of them.* Its the same thing why them fighting in the War. It wasn't a choice, they got drafted into service. They're Republic citizens too. Wanna take a guess who got them drafted and why?
We know that, but did they have to make themselves generals? Did they have to accept it?
@@rosesweetcharlotte And what would have happened if they said no? Shieev would have made sure to roast them to hell, they would have lost all publicity and all funding.
And they felt responsible for the Troopers, as they where not seen as even sentient by the senate how do you think they would have been used by a lot of the Natbornes?
Anakin not getting the rank of Master makes sense to me because he's basically shoehorned onto the Council by Sheev. It's completely outside of the Jedi Order's own system and so abrupt. I mean it's like me a random fan suddenly getting thrown in charge of Lucasfilm or another big project ahead of literally anyone in the industry. I mean that's going to make people rightfully suspicious and upset. Anakin is only 22-23. Sure he's done a lot but he's still so young and has much to learn. I could easily see him becoming a Master down the road when he has a bit more life experience under his belt. Sheev was counting on the tension to further isolate Anakin from any support. A common tactic among abusers.
Now as to the spying bit well it does show they have trust in ANAKIN otherwise you wouldn't ask them to spy would you? They are suspicious of Palps because he's amassed all this power and seem reluctant to give it away. A big red flag for a leader. In addition to suddenly appointing Anakin on the council which makes it look like it was a favor done to him. Also if he's already a liaison between the two then he should be reporting what's going on to the Council anyway.
The Clone Wars 2003 (?) animated series made Mace Windu AMAZING!
So much punching
I was just looking through old Star Wars RPG gamebooks by West End Games and found a character listed in the Galaxy Guide 7 Mos Eisley published in 1993, the character is a 1 meter tall alien of the Squib species (a small grey-furred biped with tufted ears) and its name is... Mace Windu!!!
He's badass, intimidating and I like how he represents the negative aspects of the Jedi Order such as their arrogance and their absolute submission to the Jedi Code instead of listening to the will of the Force. I also find it interesting that he specializes in countering powers of the dark side, which really makes him stand out from the rest. However, I think he was somewhat underdeveloped unless you count the EU/Legends. Nevertheless, he is important to Anakin's character arc as he serves as one of the major reasons for Anakin's frustration with the Jedi Council and how judgmental he acts towards him even when he doesn't deserve such treatment.
He’s a means to an end, his character is the catalyst for anakins fall
@@AndreNitroX one of the many catalysts.
When are you ever gonna bring & talk about the Legend EU characters like Jaina Solo, Jacen Solo aka Darth Caedus, Starkiller, Dark Lady Lumiya, Bastila Shan, Revan, Satele Shan, Kyle Katarn, Exar Kun, Darth Plagueis, Darth Malgus, Darth Krayt, Darth Bane, Darth Zannah, Quinlan Vos, Corran Horn, Kyp Durron, Darth Malak, Darth Nihilus, Darth Sion, Mara Jade Skywalker, Jerec, Desann, Cade Skywalker, Rahm Kota, Juno Eclipse, Darth Talon, The Mortis Gods, Abeloth, Darth Traya, Grand Admiral Thrawn, Arcann, Senya, Vaylin, Darth Marr, The Yuuzhan Vongs, Lord Scourge, K'Kruhk, & others from Legends EU characters, you only mentioned Bastila, Revan, Plagueis, The Mortis Gods, & Abeloth on your fan fiction story videos BUT you never choose of which characters that YOU want to talk about for but noooo everyone wants to focus on the characters from both of the Shows & Movies NOT from books, comics, & games at all, give us some Legends EU characters for awhile, give them some shines & moments there need more loves damn it geez.
I’ve been having a really good month, you putting my comment in this video meant a lot to me! Thank you, that was really cool!
If you like Mace, you've GOT to read the CW novel featuring him, Shatterpoint; it's really cool how well the author captures Sam Jackson's voice, and his characterization carries over into the RotS novelization (by the same author)! I don't recall where I saw this, but someone once joked that his last words as he fell were "I *still* don't grant you the title of Masterrrrrrrr!!" LOL
You have been talking so much of the 2003 Clone Wars series that I finally decided to binge it today. Mace Windu is awesome in it and definitely a much better representation of what I think Mace Windu should have been for the newer CW series. I for one would like for him to have lived, but does he seek "revenge", does he really go into seclusion, or how would they spin his return?
This shows that most people dont understand Mace. "Mace is the main reason or one of the reasons Anakin fell" or maybe its Anakins fault. First example when we talk about the fall of the jedi nobody blames Yoda theyll just says "he realizes he failed and goes into exile" anybody remember that line "rejoice for those who get to rejoin the force" Yoda literally told Anakin "be happy that your loved one is going to die theyll go to heavan".
Mace put the Republic above all because the Republic even broken was better than the alternative, Mace cared for the people that's why he was trying to save the Republic. Following the force doesnt save lives. Name an instance in which the will of the force was to help the greater good? You cant in Canon or Legends.
To be fair to Yoda, Anakin wasn't exactly helping. I mean, it's a war. He could have been speaking about any number of people, not just Padme. Had Anakin just been a bit more truthful with Yoda, maybe Yoda would have been able to give actual advise on the situation
@@rosesweetcharlotte i respectfully disagree, Anakin was vague for a reason he would've gotten in more trouble and definitely not got the rank of master because he AGAIN defied the Jedi by having an attachment and a kid(s). Ki-adi was given exception because of species but exposing the scandal would've hurt Padme as well. Also more importantly Yodas advice wouldnt change he essentially says the same thing to Luke in ESB granted the difference here is Yoda was unsure of Anakins status as the boy of prophecy and Luke was the penultimate last chance.
@@josephmoore5422 But doesn't everyone already sort of figure that there's something going on between them anyways? And would Yoda have turned him in so quickly?
Mace Is a badass Jedi warrior, I'm very surprised at the results
“You see that on the handle, Dooku? That’s spells *Bad* *Motherfucker* .”
-Mace Windu, probably
I totally agree with you regarding Jedi having emotions. That is not against rule. Emotions aren't optional. You can't not have them. No willpower in the world would be enough to stop them, and as you most rightly pointed out, you couldn't be a Jedi without emotions. Furthermore, most Jedi aren't humans. Everybody plays by the same rules when it comes to the Force.
"He puts the Jedi code above the Force." Man, as a Christian theologian and active member in church ministry, that spoke to me.
I would love if he came back. I would love to see how broken he has become after his fall kinda like Maul. It would be interesting if he is seen in some other series like maybe a Clone Wars type series in the Galactic era where you follow this broken Jedi. It would be fantastic as well if we see his internal struggle and realize how badly he screwed up in the Clone Wars. I really do think with the right writer he can easily become an A tier character.
The EU book Shatterpoint and how the used him in Gendy T. 2003 the Clone Wars mini series gives him more depth.
Has anyone ever read the clone wars comic where windu and 3 jedi masters take down an entire bounty hunters guild. That’s why Mace is an Awesome Jedi!
This might be my favorite series on youtube... so interesting to see the opinion of other people
I really like the way that Mace Windu gets fleshed out in the prequel novelizations. It’s a really cool coincidence that I finished reading them at the same time Thor is doing these polls. My opinion of him changed from someone who I thought was ignorant and cold to someone who is actually deeply caring of the jedi order. This allowed me to empathize with his almost impossible situation he was put in during ROTS.
I think he should have played a security officer, mostly so he could yell and beat people up.
It’s Yoda‘s fault that the Jedi are all arrogant. He trained them all.
Calling Yoda arrogant is entirely inaccurate.
A Knight can only do so much for his padawan's, the great Obi-Wan Kenobi who just posted here can testify to that.
How about a poll on the current canon of Kyber Crystals?
I personally prefer Legends, but it would be nice to see why others like what Disney has changed it to.
I would really love to see a series or movie fleshing out Mace's backstory, along with other Jedi masters'.
People are ranking characters based on how fleshed out they are, which is dumb. They should rate them on how well they serve their purpose. Only main characters absolutely need to be fleshed out.
I think the mistake was to let Anakin on the council in the first place. He wouldn't have been outraged about his rank if he wasn't on the council, and he wouldn't have gotten the chance to interfere with the battle against Sidious.
I play Jedi Academy during quarantine and I assume the choices of lightsaber you have (yellow, orange, purple) comes directly from Jackson’s awesomeness 😍 so thank you for that Samuel L.
One thing I thought about: even after Anakin willingly taddle-tells on Palpatine, literally fulfilling a task given to him by the Council even though he does not like it, Mace Windu straight up tells him that Anakin still hasn't earned Mace Windu's trust unless his claims have been proven correct.
I like him sometimes but other times I hate him. When he said the thing about Ahsoka's trial set me off. But killing Palpatine was justified.
But do you hate him as in he's a bad character which is bad as a whole... or is his character flawed which actually adds depth?
Thor Skywalker, was there any mention in the comments about Shatterpoint, the clone wars novel that focuses on Mace Windu and another Jedi that he trained as he comes to terms with the dark side of the force and the effect the clone wars had on him and the jedi in general? That book was a pretty solid novel from what I remember... but it's been a long time since I've read that one particular book.
I'm not a fan of Mace myself, BUT, I will give him this: He TOLD Anakin (paraphrasing here): 'Just sit here, and let us do this, and everything will all be OK. You'll gain my trust, You'll get your promotion, the war will be over, you'll be a hero, and your wife will be fine, and you and Obi-wan can be BFFs for the rest of your life! Just SIT HERE and DO NOTHING' He tried. Oh, and i do like Mace's saber style.
So you will do nothing? Apathy is death
I nominated Qui Gon Jinn! The most important Jedi/character in star wars!
Theory: Mace Windu escaped to the uncharted area, where Ezra and Thrawn are. And while Ezra was surprised to meet him, Ezra had no idea what his true motives were. Mace convinced him not to get involved in the rest of the Galactic Civil War, because Mace had other plans for Ezra, after seeing his force powers. Ahsoka, Sabine and Rex head to the location were Ezra is located, but Ezra's ideals have changed long since they last meet him. Mace Windu had warped Ezra's ideals to suit his own needs like Palpatine and Anakin, so it's up to Ahsoka, Sabine and Rex to snap him out of it.
I love how Thor takes a meme comment and turns it into a segment about Anakin
Mace does have strong emotions, he just hardly lets them shine through. The main reason why he scored so low is a) because he antagonised Anakin (bing right in many regards) and b) because most people aren't familiar with the novels of shatterpoint, labyrinth of evil and revenge of the sith. Those three novels clearly show Mace caring for Depa, his padawan and almost daughter to him and explicitly stating his love for the republic and the turmoil he is pushed into upon discovering Sidious due to this.
I would fucking love a mace windu series or movie a thousand times over the solo movie. Have no doubt he survived the purge.
Had Mace chosen his words better when rejecting Anakin the rank of master or in Palpatines office he could have prevented Anakins turn
Had Anakin waited in the chambers
@@goodmind4940 so Mace can go and assasinate the democratically elected leader of the Republic and take a dump on the jedi code which he keeps bashing Anakin in the head with? Dont think so.
The only person that is in the end at fault for Anakins fall, is Anakin. In the end he chooses to fall, he killed children, he watched as his troopers mind got taken from them, he watched them become slaves.
I agree completely with Master Windu and Anakin’s reaction proved it. He was not worthy to be a Jedi Master, giving him that rank would’ve been a mistake.
Of all the jedi from the movies, he's the one I'd really like to see a back-story movie about. A young Mace Windu movie would be (okay, COULD be) fun IMO.
9:25
When he said “Man was B but then he said” I got cut off with an ad that said French fries
9:35 qui-gon-Jinn tells Aniken to feel not think because he’s a child and he has no True understanding of the force. So the only actual advice he can give him is to use his heart instead of knowledge which he doesn’t have. This is wisdom on behalf of the character Qui Gon Jinn to a ignorant Force sensitive child.
Why is it that week after week we’re choosing prequel characters? I want to see characters like Han and Leia ranked beside the rest of the characters. We literally picked Ventress before Han Solo! I’m not hating on this channel, I love the content and it isn’t Thor’s fault, but why are we the audience not picking half the main characters in the skywalker saga?
I mean yeah we got luke but thats just the tip of the iceberg. You’d think at least vader or chewbaca would be on here by now
Me i’m just wondering if any legends characters will make it on here pfft.
You’re welcome for watching 😁
I think that Mace Window is a character that still needs to be explored but has the potential to become an A tear character. We don't see him a lot in the prequels nor clone wars, but we do get a sense of what kind of jedi he is. I think that if there was to be an anthology movie about mace window, it should be set before episode 2 or even before episode 1, so that we get to see how he became the kind of jedi that he is in episode 2 or 3.
Shatterpoint novel
He’s arrogant and fearful the embodiment of what is wrong with the Jedi so do I like him no but I’m not supposed to like so bravo the character did what he’s supposed to do and symbolize the worst part of the Jedi
I like him as a character and I like that he is a badass but I hate his philosophy since he looked like the one who always followed the rules and if others broke them that was not good but if he broke them it would not matter.
Here’s the thing about the master issue. What makes someone a Jedi Master isn’t their power and skill, but their overall academic and philosophical understanding of the Force. Simply put, Anakin was not ready to be a Jedi master. Luke Skywalker in Legends said it best with this quote: “Making someone a Jedi Master based on their power and skill is the equivalent of saying a little toddler waving around a proton bomb is equipped to teach a college course”. Yes he was Ahsoka’s master, but I felt it was an unofficial ranking for him.
He was only in that position because Yoda and the other Jedi wanted to see if this sort of responsibility could change Anakin’s ways. Low and behold, it didn’t. He just didn’t have the emotional maturity to be a Jedi master. Had the Order not fallen, and had he been given time, he could’ve matured over time.
Broom Boy from Episode 8.
A "Ezra-like" live action or animated spin-off following Broom Boy from child to post-teen could sooth the burn from low quality TLJ abomination. Do a "what if" segment on the possibilities of Broom Boy adventures.
The whole citizen thing is not on him it’s on her. She wanted to proceed as a citizen then she doesn’t get to be privy to conversations outside of that. They were wrong for how they turned on her but she doesn’t get to be both.
Mace was flexing his position in front of the other Jedi, Yoda, and even Rex. He wanted to remind everyone there that Ahsoka, and by extension, Anakin, weren't such hot stuff
I also want to point out that when Mace had Sidious at blade point,fans were talking about how hypocritical it was for Mace to try and kill Sidious since he goes by the doctrine of"it is not the Jedi way to take a defenseless person's life"for starters Yes I agree it isn't the Jedi way but palpatine was literally using the force as a weapon by shooting force lightning at him he was not defenseless. And besides initially Mace was going to take him in and it wasn't only until he felt sidious's power literally threatening to turn him into a charred husk with lightning was when he resolved to take his life. Despite the fact that we knew palpatine was faking being too weak, Mace Windu didn't but I understand why he would throw his convictions to the wall at this particular point because not only does this guy have too much influence over the republic courts and the Senate but Sidious was literally too powerful as he said. Again that doesn't make it right him being a hypocrite but I understand in that crucial moment he was probably thinking"it took everything I had just to push this lightning back no handcuffs would be able to bind this dude He's literally too strong and dangerous"like we saw the strain on his face as he was struggling to keep the lightning at bay
Like who's to say once they get him in cuffs and start walking him away, Sidious could have called the clones or the senate guards to deal with Mace and Anakin? Or even worse what if palpatine manages to crack his shackles because we know damn well he could(we've seen Ahsoka do it in clone wars season 4 when she was a slave girl and she straight up just tore off her shock collar) So there's no reason as to why Darth Sidious, a more highly skilled force user than Ahsoka couldn't and let's not forget that Sidious also has a spare lightsaber in reserve The one he lost wasn't the only one .
You could feel however you want to about Mace Windu betraying his morals but it doesn't change the fact that palpatine HAD TO DIE that day. Palpatine's mere existence as a sith lord threatened everyone including not only Mace himself, but the people in the temple and the people in the republic. It doesn't matter if being a sith lord isn't a crime this man was literally going to (and he did) destroy the Democratic foundation of the republic and transform it into a fascist regime. It reminded me of something that Migs Mayfeld said in the mandalorian, we all Stick to our codes until things are at their worst" or something around those lines. Basically put, I feel it is ok to call out Mace Windu but palpatine needed to die that day at that exact moment because if he didn't.... Well just take a look the rest of revenge of the sith, The new bad batch series coming out, rebels, rogue one, and the original trilogy.
The trickiest thing mith Mace is that all the stuff to make him an A character are there but barely mentioned or left completely untouched even when it would have taken just a couple of scenes or just lines to throw in there and they would have without further explanations just naturally fitted in on the overall story. Like the theory that Mace saw himself as the most potentieal chosen one since he was known as the most powerfull Jedi and the leading member of the council. Also that his lightsaber symbolised the balance and all this made him very suspicious, scared and jealous of Anakin's undeniable Midichlorian amounts.
Windu: "Don't listen to him Anakin!"
Anakin/Pewds: "I loved him. He was like a father to me."
I picture mace coming back like ahsoka did as ahsoka the white. I can imagine mace clearly with one hand walking and looking off into the distance in a cloak or something. With a look on his face that he knows he was wrong and he had lost his way and that the absence of his hand and his power taught him to be more connected to the force
Anakin never successfully trained someone so how could he be a master
Ahsoka would have been Knighted had she accepted a return, but technically you are correct. It was clear Anakin possessed the power of a master, but not the temperament.
I would have send windu(one of a kind purple lightsaber vapaad & shatterpoint are the bomb next to that tulak horde freedon nadd,exar kun ,lord scourge ,revan ,darth marr,galen marek"starkiller"\starkiller II, darth krayt , darth wredd(revan not cannon purple& was blue before turning purple windu always had purple)
Imagine a Disney plus Mace Windu show. There could be sooo much of the past that haunts him then maybe one of the force ghosts reminds him that jedi protected the people and listened to the force to guide them
I love Mace Windu. He is technically a good guy, a jedi master, and yet for the prequel movies he is a underlying nemesis to Anakin, a road block Anakin's path to become an official jedi master and a big reason why Anakin sided with the Sith. I understand that Mace is arrogant and stuff, but thats who he is, his character embodies the ideas of the jedi at the time, as someone already said, Mace puts the jedi code above the force itself.
Mace Windu is one of my favorite characters and i would love to see him again in live action
And his arrogance is fully merited. He is absolutely insanely powerful as a Jedi and can pull off things that many have tried and failed before.
You're overanalyzing a poorly written character.
Thor, unrelated to Windu specifically, but it’s funny that you brought up the line QGJ tells Anakin in Menace about “feeling and not thinking.” I just realized that in the very next movie, Obi wan scolds Anakin for doing just that and tells him instead to “think.” Just one more subtle touch from Lucas that I never picked up on until I watched your video
I would argue that he is a great example of the influence the dark side was having on the Council as the war dragged on. In Dark Disciple [spoilers] he seemed to be the one who was pushing for the assassination of Dooku, and subsequently for wanting to kill Quinlan Vos after he fell to the dark side on that ill conceived mission. He seemed to take the lead in expelling Ahsoka to save face with the Republic. Even the way that he tried to arrest Palpatine was hasty and reckless, showing his arrogance. And this may not be a popular comment, but he was wrong to try to kill Palpatine at all, and Anakin was right to try to stop him (frankly if he had succeeded in striking down Palpatine in anger, he may have fallen to the Dark Side himself).
Mace was not evil and his intentions were genuine. But he had lost the way and his views were too rigid and corrupted to learn what the Force was trying to teach the Jedi. Yoda and Ahsoka were humble enough to see through the fog, but the Dark Side clouded most of the Jedi's vision.
The only way I really see the character is the legends version since canon does him no justice whatsoever in every medium. Movies he's good we just dont knw much of him. TCW he comes across as a cold dick sometimes but then u can also tell at times that he cares for his troops in a subtle way yet gets on wid it since its war. Books and comics kinda nonexistent. In legends he was unique in that his inherent darkness was far more pronounced and present compared to most average beings to the point where he walked the line of the light by balancing himself and then created a lightsaber form to compliment it, being he only person capable of doing so without falling to the dark sids. I loved the moment where we see his thought process in ROTS novelisation where he is willing to sacrifice the jedi principles to save the republic since it's the very thing that allows the galaxy to remain as stable as possible through democracy. It showed just how human he was and how his cold nature was acc inaccurate to the man he was. It also showed just how far the jedi had fallen by choosing to sacrifice his duty as a jedi in order to save the republic and was just confirmation to anakin, although personally while being against the jedi way, it's the rational thing to do imo, keeping sidious alive while in power was too great a risk. Besides all that he was one of the most powerful jedi to exist being second only to yoda and arguably sidious in his time, tho he defeated sidious in the duel so uno. If he ever fell to the dark side he would honestly mop the floor wid most beings except for those such as the ones, abeloth or perhaps vitiate.