Giving away my trade secrets de-molding a moldy 8mm video tape

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  • Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
  • Screw the crooks charging 400 to do this.

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  • @JosepsGSX
    @JosepsGSX 2 роки тому +11

    Thanks for sharing. I´d guess anyone having valuable moments on tape would rather send it to you even knowin the tricks, than risking to ruin one of a kind memory. You pay for the skill and the experience.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому +2

      I see many tapes. That's my business. The majority don't have any playback gear as their camera is shot.

    • @prebenjaeger
      @prebenjaeger 2 роки тому

      @@12voltvids what gear do you use? Just a regular recent Sony camcorder by any chance?

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому

      @@prebenjaeger yes

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому

      @@prebenjaeger I have several 8mm decks I can use. Most of the time I use my modified DCR-TRV240. When I saw modified, I mean the cover that covers the head drum is removable, so I can access the heads to clean them without taking the camera apart. When you are in the video archive business like I am, you get used to cleaning the heads constantly due to bad tapes.
      I have 2 DCRTRV240 cameras. Was given both, and one was trashed with missing parts. I was also given a 250 which is digital 8 only with no analog playback, so I swapped the guts to the broken 240 as it has analog playback. I also have 2 DCRTRV 720, a DCRTRV110 and GVD800 that can do digital 8 and 8mm/hi8. Also an EVS7000 for the odd tape that has PCM sound. Plenty of 8mm recorders. DV / HDV I have 3 cameras for that format.

    • @prebenjaeger
      @prebenjaeger 2 роки тому +1

      @@12voltvids Yeah, I saw that video :D The lid is quite easy to get off on my 420e so I don't think I'll modify it. I just tried cleaning it with those swabs and some alcohol but I still experience that after a while the playback begins to get fuzzy. On some tapes its just a brief moment of distoration here and there but with another it just suddenly got real bad. I gave it another clean and the swaps dont look dirty at all, but that might just be expected. I'm playing back a tape that was problematic earlier and I'll see how it goes. I'm not sure what else it could be, that would cause issues only after 30 mins + of playback.

  • @norbhansen
    @norbhansen 4 місяці тому

    Thank you for sharing this! I'm doing tapes for a good friend who lost his son recently, and the tapes have been breaking. He is dealing with enough to not want to pay big bucks for a manual process like this, when I can do it for free. I know many people who would not be comfortable doing this and will pay, and I fully appreciate that. But I can do this and help my friend...so thank you again.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  4 місяці тому

      That's why i did it. To help people do it themself and not pay that crook on new York 100 per tape. I charge half that but that includes digitizing.

  • @dlarge6502
    @dlarge6502 2 роки тому +3

    Wow, $400? I figured this out myself only a few days ago.
    I had a VHS-C tape that was "sticky". It had come from a family member who I had digitised other tapes for that clearly were moldy. I simply played those tapes in a VHS deck I didnt want to keep (threw away the deck to avoid contamination and before I found your channel and discovered exactly what was wrong with it).
    This VHS-C tape didnt look moldy like the others but was very sticky and constantly tearing. I made 3 splices to repair tears then just put on a movie whilst I very slowly wound the tape to the other spool. VERY slowly as it was so sticky it would tear. Took me a couple of hours to wind the full 45 min tape.
    I eventually managed to capture it but the SVHS player had issues at some points where the tape would be stickier and I'd get bad tape speeds. I just ejected and cleaned, which usually did the trick. Had I know it was mold that was making it stick I'd not used the SVHS deck. I suppose it will be fine, I gave it a good clean with IPA during and after capture.
    Thing is that SVHS deck really made the difference, its TBC and 3D noise reduction solved a lot of the issues the tape had. The TBC even eliminated the read switching noise.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому +3

      VHS tapes is much thicker doesn't tear nearly as easily as 8mm and DV tape.

    • @dlarge6502
      @dlarge6502 2 роки тому

      @@12voltvids So you said, yet this tape tore 3 times before I handled it like you do here. It was so sticky you could hear it peeling off itself like sellotape. I noticed that it was sticking along its bottom edge, which is where the tears came from.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому

      @@dlarge6502 someone had spliced it before it got to me. Didn't tear here. The entire reel came off smoothly after a few stretch sessions and played perfectly. I didn't show this tape playing. The tape with the alignment issue was a different tape from a different client in case you didn't notice. It was also moldy

  • @AlbertAGhazaleh
    @AlbertAGhazaleh 2 роки тому +1

    Very interesting, I didn't know that the tapes would get moldy...

  • @jamesdc1993
    @jamesdc1993 2 роки тому

    I admire your patience!

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому +1

      I make good money doing this. Not 400 a tape but i do charge for my service.

  • @OFXCPRODUCTIONS
    @OFXCPRODUCTIONS 2 роки тому +1

    i use the same method, but use my Super8 Winding-table with special 3d-printed adpters for the V8 wheels

  • @speakeasyarchives8764
    @speakeasyarchives8764 8 місяців тому

    Hate to inform you I have a video tape cleaner machine. That does all the formats up to betacam sp size. I can do a moldy vhs or even 8mm video tape professionally in about 40 minutes 2 times. For $70 not $400. But your video is over a year old and technology has advanced.
    I have done it your way, and it does work.
    Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  8 місяців тому

      I don't charge 400 to demold a tape. The problem with "cleaner" machines is the thin tape will tear when unspooling in the cassette. It's so fragile. I charge 50 and that includes the transfer and i keep busy. I can do an 8mm tape in about 20 minutes.

  • @dirtyoledog519
    @dirtyoledog519 2 роки тому

    so much of what you show makes tasks look so easy. Thank you for that. I have a lot of cassettes I need to digitize, many break after playing for one sec or so..i splice and start again and then find the crappy picture due to alignment. perhaps finding a playback deck would be a good investment if I can get the tapes respooled. I planned to copy from the camcorder to possibly a dvd writer then to a pc.sometimes the video appears greenish after converting via analog input to pc.

  • @Talefromthehangar
    @Talefromthehangar Рік тому

    Nice work

  • @sdjgfashjasbfasd
    @sdjgfashjasbfasd 2 роки тому

    If it's worth saving it's worth the time to do it right. Priceless memories there. I recently got two reel to reels with 70 seven inch tapes. I could smell the mold when I drove them home. Many had visible mold, some were sticky, a few had shed, but I managed to slowly go through them and figure out what was savable and what went to the trash. Music isn't as valuable as videos of your kids or maybe seeing Bigfoot, but I managed to get to save half of them.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому +1

      And just how do you think it's done? anybody that's doing mold recovery is doing it the same way you can't just unspool the tape maybe you can when it's thicker tape such as VHS are open real tape or you can actually get the tape off the spool without it tearing but when you're dealing with 8 mm in mini DV the tape backing is so thin that even attempting to unwind it by hand will result in a tearing. Tape is very strong though as far as tinsel strength so if you pull it straight it won't necessarily break or tear but it will slip on the spool and that lateral slipping is what breaks the tension Bond so that it will unspool without tearing.
      Over the years I have done probably a hundred moldy 8 mm tapes and out of those there was only a few that were not recoverable. the ones that were not recoverable however had more than just mold damage they had water damage as well.

  • @MrPitatom
    @MrPitatom 2 роки тому

    Hey Dave. This is exactly the process I used to de-mould a bunch of W-VHS tapes I got from Japan.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому +1

      Been doing this for many years.

  • @tharkthax3960
    @tharkthax3960 2 роки тому +1

    Excellent! I have many old computer game cassettes and disks, I use moisture capture devices to reduce chances of mold developing- so far so good.
    I have had odd tapes in the past with mold on that I bought from ebay, wish I had of seen this video at that time, could of rescued them.
    Thanks 😊

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому +1

      I have air conditioning. No mold on any of my tapes. Usually people that store their tapes in a safe thinking they are protecting them.

    • @tharkthax3960
      @tharkthax3960 2 роки тому

      @@12voltvids I store mine on bookshelves in a small box room. I usually have 3 moisture absorbers in there and change them every few months or so.
      Air conditioning would be much better tho! Pretty rare here in Scotland.
      A few tapes I have tho don't play properly, they literally screech on the heads. Wish I could restore them, I've tried changing the slips and pressure pads but I believe it's the tape itself has degraded.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому +1

      @@tharkthax3960 stiction

  • @alexisreburianojr.7813
    @alexisreburianojr.7813 4 місяці тому

    thanks

  • @karlreinke9653
    @karlreinke9653 2 роки тому

    I do all these things you mentioned. My patience kind of runs out in the end while hand turning. I too found out about the use of an old player to get the tracking to match the recording.

  • @inthiscorner100
    @inthiscorner100 2 роки тому +1

    I have become an expert on removing mold. Takes me 30 minutes to complete the task that includes cleaning the spools. I do it manually.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому +1

      Yes most are done in about 30 minutes. I spent less than an hour on this one start to finish and I was stopping to make a recording. The second tape, the one that had the alignment problem took only about 30 min to do. For those with attention to detail there were 2 different tapes shown. One for the demold and the other for the alignment recovery. The first one there were no playback issues. The second the camera that made it was a happy wanderer. The alignment shifted with just about every shot and required me to sit there and correct the playback about 15 times through the 2 hour tape.

  • @danilovegap
    @danilovegap 11 місяців тому

    A vhs tape from 2000 is a little dirty and moldy, and everytime I play it the vcr's heads get clogged after some minutes playing it fine, I clean the heads and it plays it for a couple of minutes more and then again gets clogged, I'm gonna try cleaninf the tape 😅

  • @Mockingbird650
    @Mockingbird650 2 роки тому

    Thank you so much.

  • @cleantones
    @cleantones 2 роки тому +1

    Great video! I've stumbled onto more or less the same process. Do you have any insight on best practices for DAT tapes with mold? I've had some with significant mold. DAT tape seems more fragile. I've manually gone through and often have to make slices along the way. Do you do the same thing demonstrated here? Stretching and all?

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому

      Yes but since dat is 4mm more patience is needed as to not break the tape.

  • @r66f80
    @r66f80 2 роки тому

    I've actually had some VHS tapes that have snapped due to mold.

  • @mitchd949
    @mitchd949 2 роки тому

    Very interesting. You really didn't "de-mold" the tape, but you did manually and carefully unwind the tape to avoid the machine breakage that occurs when the mold causes sticking of binding. It would seem there is still mold there and it'll likely continue to grow and spread, thus the problem would recur. However, as you noted you're making it playable to transfer to digital and I assume the 8mm tape is simply discarded.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому +1

      It needs only to be played once. It was digitized, then went on that fancy rewinder/eraser and was wiped and then into the trash. Nobody should be using tape anymore and this is only 1 reason.

    • @mitchd949
      @mitchd949 2 роки тому

      @@12voltvids totally agree with you - make it playable, transfer, and destroy/trash the tape. Just wanted to verify that mold was actually not killed or eliminated. I'd wager most people won't take the time to do it themselves, so I doubt you'll lose any customers. If anything, you may gain some if they realize that someone charging $400 for such a service is perhaps overcharging a bit!

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому +1

      @@mitchd949 UV C light will kill it mind you.

    • @c.w.6333
      @c.w.6333 Рік тому

      Glad I'm not the only one to notice the lack of mold removal despite the video title. Misleading. I would not want to run this tape through my equipment and transfer the mold spores into my machine.

  • @mousechat3
    @mousechat3 Рік тому

    Hi thank you for this video, i was wondering if i could ask for some advice on how to fix tape thats so sticky that all it does is tear and rip /snap, i tried whats in the video, ive tried very slowly unwinding but no matter how careful i was the tape started tearing into a narrow line then snap, any advise on how to fix this? It was pretty upsetting to see and i went very slowly thanknyou for reading my problem

  • @zx8401ztv
    @zx8401ztv 2 роки тому +3

    This is just the edge of the tape being freed up, mould appears on the flat sizes as well.
    Is this a one month early april fools day ?

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому

      It forms on the entire width of the tape. That's why the tape is stretched which tightens it evenly breaking the bond across the total width. I have done hundreds of tapes over the years.

  • @ramfan-eddie595
    @ramfan-eddie595 2 роки тому +2

    Love learning from all your videos. The tape transfer from the 8mm tape player, is it being recorded / transferred digitally to a computer hard drive or a dvd recorder? Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому +4

      I transferred to whatever format the client requests. Someone want their tapes transferred to DVD recordable which is done on a standalone DVD recorder others want their material transferred to a digital medium. Then there's the choice of the formats some clients want them in dv25 Avi which is the highest quality format for consumer digital that any computer can work with, others want material put into MP4. This particular tape that I was transferring was going to MP4 to a USB stick because the client wanted to be able to just upload the file to the cloud and leave it there they were going to put all of their home videos in the cloud for storage. Personally I would not use MP4 for any analog based video regardless of what format it's from because analog video is so noisy, that noise does not compress very well. This results in a lot of block noise or artifacts mosquito noise. Even dv25 Avi which is running at 25 MB as an format is tough for it to handle that noise. By noise I mean color signal to noise which is pretty bad on any of the consumer video formats. VHS being the worst. Video from DV and digital 8 looks much better in mp4 because the signal is clean with virtually no random noise in the signal. The random noise generates huge amounts of data when digitized which needs to be compressed and since mp4 is relatively low bandwidth looks like crap. Direct to DVD looks superrior due to DVD lower compression.

    • @KylesDigitalLab
      @KylesDigitalLab Рік тому

      @@12voltvids Is it safe to use Hi8 tape on a Video8 camcorder will it damage the heads?

  • @ReverendJackson
    @ReverendJackson 2 роки тому

    Brilliant 👏

  • @gixerags750
    @gixerags750 Рік тому

    Great video..one of my Hi8 tapes broke off at the spool...after opening the tape there is a little plastic piece that pops out from the spool which locks the tape...any tips on getting that plastic wedge back into the spool? It did my head in trying to click it back into place.
    Cheers

  • @nakazul1
    @nakazul1 2 роки тому

    Hmm, would this work on a VHS Tape? White mold.

  • @Subgunman
    @Subgunman 2 роки тому

    Does anyone repair the old Kyocera Hi8 camcorders?
    ID dropped out of my hands hit my foot and then the floor, floor impact was not hard. From then on I could not get it to record but it would play back. Fast forward to last year it has now decided to quit even playback. The tape does feed and rewind but no video. I need it mainly to play back my tapes into the digitizer.
    Shorted caps on the video out line?

  • @Sans_Solo_
    @Sans_Solo_ 2 роки тому +1

    When the tape is stretched doesn't that create a small distortion on the playback image?

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому +2

      No, the tape isn't actually stretched. If it was the coating would come off. It is "stretched" to tighten the tape packing on the reel which in turn makes the tape slide between layers and break the stick of the mold.

    • @Sans_Solo_
      @Sans_Solo_ 2 роки тому

      @@12voltvids Ah Got it....Thx

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому +4

      Playback is perfect btw.
      For those wondering if the tape needing alignment shifting was caused by demolding, no. That had nothing to do with it.

  • @andreguitarist
    @andreguitarist 10 місяців тому

    Please, can someone tell me what is the correct size of the philips screwdriver to open the casing of the HI-8 tape?

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  10 місяців тому

      00

    • @andreguitarist
      @andreguitarist 10 місяців тому

      @@12voltvids I have tried it but it seems it it too big to fit...

  • @young_of_the_mill9560
    @young_of_the_mill9560 2 роки тому

    How can I fix a cassette that squeals or keeps stopping?

  • @Samxglez
    @Samxglez 2 місяці тому

    Hello, so I have a hi8 tape that has mold on it and it is not rip at all so I was wondering what is the best way to remove the white mold from the tape?

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 місяці тому

      The way I demo.

    • @Samxglez
      @Samxglez 2 місяці тому

      @@12voltvids thank you! Is it safe to also use alcohol to remove the mold?

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 місяці тому

      Don't put anything on the tape.

  • @chikoavena3407
    @chikoavena3407 5 місяців тому

    400$ for this?! I'm doing it right now for free for a girl that I like lol

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  5 місяців тому +1

      I wish someone would pay me $400 to demold the tape. But there's a few shops in the states that quoted someone that because they told me what they were quoted and I priced mine accordingly

  • @MrMegasuperhawk
    @MrMegasuperhawk 2 роки тому

    anyone ever tried to pop one in a food dehydrator?

  • @alphabeets
    @alphabeets 2 роки тому

    Hopefully that drill bit is not magnetized...

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому +3

      Won't hurt anything. 8mm tape is metal tape. Takes allot to erase it.

  • @spacewolfjr
    @spacewolfjr 2 роки тому

    Will this work on cheese? I've got some cheddar that looks like roquefort!

    • @robbieblackmon1801
      @robbieblackmon1801 2 роки тому +1

      What about ilchester? Staggeringly popular in the manor, Squire!

  • @Mockingbird650
    @Mockingbird650 2 роки тому

    Um... How did you splice it? That part is missing.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому +1

      Just with regular scotch tape, on the back side of the tape. Camera was off frame when i did it and i wasn't watching the monitor as I stuck it together.

    • @Mockingbird650
      @Mockingbird650 2 роки тому

      @@12voltvids Is it safe to assume you cut it to size as far as width is concerned? Also curious if the addition effects picture quality.
      Did you cut the torn portion, or are you a master at matching margins?
      Thanks again.
      I think you said you don't do facebook, correct?

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому +1

      @@Mockingbird650 the damaged section is removed. The splice is straight across like you would splice any tape.

    • @Mockingbird650
      @Mockingbird650 2 роки тому

      @@12voltvids Welp, I've never actually done any splicing of tapes, but I think I know what you mean.
      Thanks. Have a great night, man.

  • @dariusnickmanesh8021
    @dariusnickmanesh8021 2 роки тому

    Thanks but sound is not good. Not clear when you talking👌🌹🌹🌹👍

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому

      Better get your hearing checked. I can hear it no problem.

    • @ladymunch0
      @ladymunch0 2 роки тому

      as can I, and I'm a bit deaf. Make 'sure your playback device is set for stereo audio and. this might helf.

  • @b.powell3480
    @b.powell3480 2 роки тому

    Thanks, Dave for the tip ! Do you clean off the residue with denatured Alcohol?

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому +1

      No. It won't hurt anything. Put on an n95 mask to keep from breathing mold spores.

    • @shlioskf2567
      @shlioskf2567 2 роки тому

      The only thing that kills the spores is hydrogen water 30%. But you need to be careful, because it will burn your skin, so wearing gloves is recommended.

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому

      @@shlioskf2567 a little mold never hurt anyone. What do you think penicillin is?

    • @shlioskf2567
      @shlioskf2567 2 роки тому

      @@12voltvids Yeah, it's not like I follow my own safety advice. :D It's not a big deal, you get white burn marks that sting a little, but they go away in half an hour or so. Still, that thing is pretty effective against mold. I saved quite a few tapes with it.

    • @b.powell3480
      @b.powell3480 2 роки тому

      @@shlioskf2567 I take it, that you're talking about hydrogen peroxide and water ?, and also cleaning the plastic case for the film, and informing the customer to keep it and the camera in a dry, safe place

  • @solarr2
    @solarr2 2 роки тому

    👍🇵🇱🇵🇱👍🇵🇱👍

  • @Thanson199415
    @Thanson199415 2 роки тому +1

    2 dislikes already?

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому +7

      The guy in New York that charges 400 is one of them.

    • @Thanson199415
      @Thanson199415 2 роки тому +1

      @@12voltvids Yep 😂

    • @12voltvids
      @12voltvids  2 роки тому

      @@Thanson199415 johnboy senshithead is the other.

    • @NJRoadfan
      @NJRoadfan 2 роки тому

      @@12voltvids There is a place here in NJ that claims to do it, but they can't be bothered to respond to a friend's phone or e-mails. Don't know if their service is *ahem* "up to spec" or not. He has a whole bunch of those early 90s Sony shedder Hi-8 tapes that I attempted to transfer once. Now that I have a sacrificial machine, I might attempt it again in the future.

    • @jacktorse2145
      @jacktorse2145 2 роки тому

      How are you still able to see the dislikes? Didn't the thought police get rid of the # of dislikes so we can't see the ratio anymore?