Bird person really shows his intelligence in this scene. He seems to grasp and fully accept that rick can jump realities with very little explanation, and asks the next obvious question of "why did you help" and then immediately points out rick contradicting himself in real time. It's obvious why rick respects him
Also why this conversation lasts so little, it's not a matter of just Rick throwing a tantrum and leaving before talking it out or even a matter of it being condenses for the show, it's because both parties trust each other to have full understanding of what stakes are being debated and to have made up their mind in full confidence.
I love how young Bird Person didn't like the idea of him and Rick being too attached, only for him to be one of the few people in the universe to genuenly understand and care about Rick decades later
Rick outright says “because you love him” even Rick acknowledges vocally his feelings for his best friend. One thing he really does seem to struggle with but when it comes to BP he has zero hesitation. He was absolutely destroyed when BP was shot at the wedding and was even more distraught when they saw what the federation turned him into
@@mino8266 ok but we have to keep in mind (out of context with the video) that saying "I love you" Doesn't necessarily means they love you as in "love interest" It could just means you care about them because they're the only friend who can truly support and understand you, I always find it weird how people will literally jump into conclusion that a person is gay just because they say "I care about you" Or something related to it Person1: you're the only person who understands me Internet: you are now the gay *stamp pride flag on forehead*
@@bullettime8760 Sure but Rick is certainly bi though. He had sex with a sentient planet but everyone gets uncomfortable when he has romantic feelings for another man
Nothing else matters is a good song from Metallica. 🤓 And, come to think of it, the lyrics completely match Rick's feelings for Bird-Person and adventures in the multiverse.
So, what hurt Rick wasn't the fact that he lost a lot of good friends that day, but because he was rejected by his best friend. Rick wanted to go on reality-jumping adventures with the one true friend he had, but Birdperson wasn't comfortable with it. It is hard to blame Birdperson on that, given that was just suddenly dropped on him right after an intense battle where he lost good friends.
Yeah Rick just essentially told him everything he loved and was fighting for doesn't matter. Forget everything lets go have fun. And Ricks to arrogant to see how much of a jerk he sounds like, just saying that right there.
Actually Birdperson isn’t introduced until after Rick and Morty leave the Cronenberg dimension. So the Birdperson we follow in the show is not from the prime universe (Cronenberg) or Rick C-137’s original universe (where his family died) he is from the replacement universe.
@@ElementalMatrix i think that his planet has only been reached through portals so it’s possible that Rick just grabs him from C-137. Or that he’s been using a lot of Mindblower’s from the replacement universe, for some reason
I think what also speaks to their relationship is Rick has a softer tone when he rejects him. He doesn’t call him a fucking moron or idiot or something in line with something Rick would say that usually comes out super callous and rude. He calls him a “judgemental dork”
regardless how you look at it, rick confessed his feelings to birdperson whom promptly shuts him down. platonic, romantic, neither or both, that still hurts bro.
@@tahseenkhan3629 True. While Rick was baring his soul to Bird Person here and demonstrating just how important Bird Person is to him...Rick also revealed how completely detached an uncaring about the rest of the universe he is. Including towards things that are of personal importance to Bird Person like his fight against oppression.
@@dungeonguy88 yup. In one of the BP memories in this episode, they show Federation bugs mistreating a bunch of young little bird people. One of them was BP. Rick should have been sensitive to BP's traumatic past and known BP couldn't just walk away from this fight.
@The Realist in the boot88 Rick helped he fight a battle, he isn’t being nihilistic he just wants to have fun. The whole point of the scene is that neither of them are right
Rick can actually be friends with anyone. Remember that toilet episode? Hes not an entirely unfeeling supreme genius. But because of his constant rationalizations, it always spurs him on to do things that excite him and to despise mundane things. Like a drug addict addicted to the high. And Rick knows it. Thats why he always tries to bury his emotions because when he gets too obsessed with something or someone, he goes all nuts crazy imagining all the possible things he or they can do. Rick is a man trying to catch the wind with his bare hand. Thats what makes his life so sad.
To that point this provides further understanding of Rick in the toilet episode and why he was so dismissive of Tony because the last time he opened himself up to a friend (asking bird person to go on adventures) he rejected him
After this episode my head cannon has changed a little, now I believe that the main theme song was improvised by Bird-Person, Rick, and Squanchy during their earlier concert at the music festival.
And the rejection comes from the fact that Rick thinks about traveling across other universes together. Interdimensional travel took his family and his friend: the portal gun is a curse.
what gets me is that Rick could probably find a universe where Birdperson does love him back but he clearly cares about this specific version of him- even if he rejected him, based on what he said to his garages ai: “yeah, run off to find a version of my best friend that suits me, thats not how this works.”
Yes, and this is also why he sticks to the c137 morty and doesn't go to a dimension where Diane is alive. He's so sentimental I love this beautiful disaster
@@iamepicfumo2360 yes but because not even Rick knows what dimension he went to get his family "back", Morty is still called c137, because thats the version of Rick he "belongs" to. He identifies himself as c137 morty multiple times and no one ever corrects, even citadel ricks who should know better. the real plot hole is if rick doesn't know his current home dimension number, how does he ever portal back to it
@@Swift_LN i feel like its more likely that he doesnt remember his original dimension, the one where he lost beth and diane, and found a dimension likely c137 and settled there instead, but also dont think too hard on it, theyve played fast and loose with their rules, i mean they have hopped permanently a few times now so
@@connorbovingdon8563 They scan his portal gun and it says “C-137”. They only look at Morty odd when he says “C-137.” They don’t actually know what Dimension he’s from. Hell, we don’t even know what Dimension Summer, Beth, and Jerry are from
its a psychological experiment. if you and a clone of yourself would be together in a room, you would either love each other more than anyone else, or hate each other more than anyone else.
it's funny how all of the three Ricks in this scene had the same thought about Bird Person, none of them felt bad for him for being offended by Rick's proposal, in fact, they all thought he was stupid for doing so. But only the older Rick, cared about BP. Rick's complicated with his emotions and motivations. This episodes shows how selfish but how kind he is when it comes to the people he cares.
In that scene I was unsure how we are meant to feel since even the older/“real” Rick doesn’t seem to realize he was indeed the one being a dick. Bird person could’ve been a little nicer/more understanding of Rick’s perspective, but Rick is the one who walked away and gave the F U.
It's not that complicated, Rick jus wants to adventure with someone, that's why he drags morty, summer, beth or jerry along with him. He literally can make a perfectly functioning killer cyborg to act as his sidekick but doesn't. Rick is a lonely man in this infinitely meaningless world.
It’s because Rick just is a bit of a sociopath, honestly. Bird Person sees infinite realities and says ‘okay, cool. This one is still mine, though’. Rick sees infinite realities and uses that as a justification to say that nothing matters so he can do whatever he wants, despite that never quite meshing with his own actions.
@@keith9864 No, it’s not. Rick is a sociopath, he uses nihilism as a JUSTIFICATION for his sociopathy. Literally right now, he is telling Bird Person that all their friends dying didn’t matter because they exist in other universes, which is NOT what nihilism is about.
"This relationship isn't worth my integrity." Damn, what a line. Birdperson is essentially saying that he has a completely different outlook on life than Rick--that shit does matter, like his homeworld, his family, his friends--and he won't betray his own personal values by going on nihilistic adventures with Rick. But it's said in such a blunt (I mean, he always is), devastating way. Basically Rick was shot down because of a difference in values...feels bad man.
You can definitely see why Rick loves Birdperson so much, he shoots straight & is genuine. Rick revealed they can travel the mutiverse and Birdperson turned it down because it wasn't worth his integrity. You know who else did that? Rick C-137, when Killer Rick offered him portal tech.
@@mr.beatdown Seeing the season finale, it all made sense. After Birdperson turned him down, he looked back pissed off... because he was now alone in hunting down the Rick that took his family. If you look at it from Rick's side, Bird Person said he was in his debt for fighting in the war. A war even Rick said didn't even matter but fought anyway for his friend. The fact Rick is so guarded about his feelings and that this was the first time he showed BP the portal gun, I'd think he'd be hesitant to outright tell him the overwhelming truth that he's actually one of the FEW good versions of himself in a sea of evil versions, trying to find the one who killed his family. Keep in mind Rick actually spent 30+ years waging this private war against the Alliance of Ricks.
Rick was becoming his own Nemesis, this blunt rejection saved him from turning into his natural self, who he hates most of all - will build a wall around infinity just to isolate and track down, in a way no other Rick, even evil Rick, nor evil Morty, will see coming - that level of infinite hate. BP cringing to his face about having integrity to not abandon people he cares about literally just saved his soul from himself. No wonder he loves him 120%. BP caring for people is Rick's anchor to his own cares, which he's losing track of. Best friends ever!
Gotta love Rick's character growth here. He's no longer afraid to admit he has emotional attachments to people, and recognizes his previous insistence to the contrary as the lame pretense that it was. Old Rick: "Because you love him." Young Rick: "You do maybe, I don't." Old Rick: "Yeah yeah you're real cool, now come help me save his life or fuck off, cause I don't need you." Followed by just turning away. Old Rick completely calls Young Rick's bluff on not caring.
"Because you love him." Holy shit that hit like a brick. I don't think Rick has expressed love to anyone but Beth Morty and Summer, and they don't usually feel as deep.
I think it’s because it’s himself, he wouldn’t ever genuinely admit that to anybody else. But he’s accepted it himself so it doesn’t bother him if he tells a dream manifestation
Everyone noticing that Rick is admitting to himself that he loves someone. Which is something he just sometimes does and only to some of his family members (Morty and Beth and sometimes Summer and never Jerry). But what impressed me is he saying "None of this matters, but I respect your." because Rick admitting there are things or people he respects is something he never did. Quite the opposite, him expressing verbally his disrespect is almost a catchphrase for him "They're bureaucrats, I don't respect them." or "Because don't respect therapy", or "I don't respect Time Travel"..... Many time we've seen that there are things that Rick feels connection for. Being human beings like Morty or cool concepts, like Gotron Robots. But it's the first time were he admitis that there are people whose existance he actually values and thinks are worth it. The definition of respect: "a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements." I don't know if this applies to many cool things he's attracted to, but applies to Birdperson.
Dude. Haven't seen the episode but I'm already emotional after this. This is a perfect example of me and my best friend's relationship. Rick has always reminded me of him. It's just too bad "Rick" died in my universe... Rest in Peace Austin.
I remember the season finale with the weddings, BP and Squanch dying, you see Rick drunk crying over his pictures with them and Blood Ridge. We always assumed that someone died, not that Rick hurt his best friend.
Did someone lose their significant other while writing this season, Jessica a time god, planetina and morty breaking up, and now bird person outright friend zoning rick I mean come on.
@@danielcristianescobar8157 rick is bi, rick says he loves birdperson. I don't remember him to anyone before, let alone sounding genuine while saying it.
And years later there are still apologists for her, I know she could have been a favourite for me too if she didn't try to jump into bed with the doctor the day before her wedding.
I'm going to predict that their strong relationship isn't just because of their time together doing drugs and fighting the federation. Rick respects and latches on to BP because he was the first friend he made after he lost his family. Rick was lost and BP gave him purpose when nothing mattered anymore, he was his new family. Losing his family again he went to the next best thing he could, a version of what could have been. To add in an edit, I'm going to say PB was first person Rick loved again.
Wait do you think the reason why rick loves bird person is because he was essentially saved by him after his family died? In the episode, rick was getting high off his arse, later he and BP are fighting the other ricks, he helped him sober up enough and they became friends. Most of ricks relationships are him doing things for an exchange but this seems like rick being by BP just for the sake of it, he enjoys his presence and he's the only other person after Diane he fell for and loves. it's why he went to extremes, rather than find another BP, rick wanted to stay, he didn't want to run away anymore. He's grown a hell of a lot these past seasons.
If this Rick is the most Rick and his daughter died when she was a kid that means that he has no Morty, and that hypothetical grandson he's talking about is just the idea of the Morty he could have had if Beth didn't die. It's been shown that Rick doesn't hesitate on moving to a different reality. He loves the people he's living with atm, but it seems like the only one that apparently can't be replaced is our Morty. I would love to see why is that, if it's just a random Morty that he decided to protect no matter what to give a meaning to his life or because there's something truly special about our Morty. Something crazy that makes me think is what happened to Dianne on this reality. Mr Nimbus knew that she died, but if Beth's alive it means she died in a different way. It's crazy that we still don't know anything about her. Man I love the fact that he has "no Morty". Infinite realities, everything can happen... Including Rick, BP and Squanchy playing the theme song on that gig they had ♥️
it definetly has to do with Rick saying that he's the "mortiest morty" . Its not just some random thing Rick came up with, since he also apperantly knows to not make Morty too cocky about himself. It has to mean something. If it means that they are the most "themselves" then this implies that our Rick could be the smartest and realest of them all. Following this pattern Morty could have the biggest potential for growth of them all. That our Morty is the most likely to surpass Rick. The previous Mortiest Morty Rick had could be further evidence of that. Evil Morty could be the previous Mortiest Morty and it shows that Rick used his potential for growth, to the point where he surpassed him before he even went into adulthood. leading to him abandoning that Morty. That would be actually sick if Evil Morty was actually the only candidate in the entire universe to be smarter than the smartest being in the universe But it could also mean something completly else. who knows.
@@EpicGamer-fl7fn that sounds awesome dude. I love the idea of the potential that Morty could have. I truly hope there's something about Morty/ evil nemesis on the season finale.
@61 Cygni in this episode it’s mentioned @7:57- 8:07 when 35 yr old Rick was talking to our Rick. The conversation happened so fast that I’m pretty sure it went over a lot of peoples heads.
Ugh I guess.. I'm just confused why people were complaining about fans using this scene to say Rick is bi when Roiland already confirmed him as pan in like season 2
Gotta respect the fact that the whole episode is a canon backstory of Rick, not like the fabricated one in the Szechuan sauce episode, not story train, real memories
@@jackstammers8045 watch episode 1 season 3 to see that bomb blow up right in front of Beth and ricks wife. As for the memory I believe rick used a real memory as a template and adjusted the formula slightly to get out of prison
The “because you love him” actually shocked me when I first watched this. This was the first time in the whole series we hear Rick say that he loves somebody, not as a joke, but sincerely.
This is the show at its best, hands-down. The best action sequence since "Star Mort: Rickturn of the Jerri" and the best conversation between characters since "The ABCs of Beth."
Completely agree. Not only was this the best of the season, but I’d honestly argue this deserves a spot as one of the best episodes of the series. It was sad, funny, full of plot, had great dialogue and action like you said, and was entertaining. I could watch it all over again honestly.
@@mrlowkey4187 Actually if you watched the episode you would know that Rick says "My name is Rick Sanchez and I got a big ol' crush on my mans Birdperson." so 🤷♂️
@@mrlowkey4187 No bro I'm pretty sure he wants Birdperson to spoon him to bed at night, hence the iconic line from season 3 episode 5 when Rick says "God I want Birdperson to spoon me to be at night." while narrating his diary entry to the audience. so...🤷♂️
This is one of Ricks biggest problems. He lacks emotional intelligence. Right after all that he basically just tells birdperson forget everything you care about, your people, the war, nothing matters. Lets just go on adventures. And Birdperson doesn't see it that way. But Ricks too arrogant to see that wasn't something to say to him in the middle of a war. Especially when he is indirectly saying Birdperson is wrong to care about stuff. Than he gets mad when people don't immediately just accept his way of thinking. He has the intelligence of a god but the maturity of an edgy college freshman who reads too many philosophy books and never learned people skills.
"My first day as a member of the 501st... it was hot, it was sandy, chaotic. Nothing at all like the simulations on Kamino. Of course that's pretty much the way it was for all of us, wasn't it? All that breeding, all those years of training... doesn't really prepare you for all the screaming or the blood, does it? Frankly, I'm still amazed we ever made it through the first hour, never mind the first day." -Unknown Clone Trooper
@@Ndasuunye I mean going on adventures across the multiverse is fun, but don't isolate or disrespect anyone else. The issue was that Rick told BP everything he was fighting for and all of his friends didn't matter to him, what he doing was useless, that he should forget ALL of it just to do wacky adventures. I mean I'd be offended if someone told me everything I did was useless and for nothing, and that I should forget all of it. He's not refusing to grow up because he goes on wacky adventures, it's how he acts because of them.
@@guccifer764 "growing up" usually means just playing by the rules and satisfying the expectations of a society put in front of you. In the face of an infinite universe with billions and billions of galaxies and no real meaning of time, "growing up" actually is insignificant. Not to be a nihilist, but what we do isn't actually going to be remembered forever.
@@avolantyable Would you care to elaborate more? Do you mean that Stalin thought no one would remember his acts of genocide? And again, we're talking about being remembered on a universal scale of hundreds of trillions of years. Not just the past 80 years.
Did anyone catch what he told his younger self earlier in the episode? “Hypothetical Grandson” “You visit versions of our dead daughter and stay there?” I probably misheard but just wanted to know if anyone else noted that.
@@Chalan_Chitrakaar by hypothetical he means the grandson he could have had if beth had lived Thats why rick is so detached he sees his family as the family he could have had
@@colin3ds1 that makes sense, maybe there were versions of rick who abandoned beth and versions of him who lost beth and this rick lost his beth and went in place of the abandoned beth. Maybe season 3 opener was a correct memory and the ricks that abandoned beth abandoned cuz there portal gun was a success and thee rest had the fate of season 3 opener
Did I miss something? Or is it odd that half way through this episode they pretty much dropped the biggest bombshell on us ever by revealing that Ultimate Rick (Our Rick) is from the timeline where Beth never exists because her and the mother died. (Assuming the origin story from S3E1 was partially real and not fake.) Therefore, Morty and Summer hypothetically doesn't exist in his original universe, and the entire series is him living in realities where they do exist. 🤯 IDK, I just never thought of it like that until this episode.
Holy crap ! I just went back and he did say that.. so that means Beth and his wife died somehow, and that’s why he was 35 and alone on some planet doing space drugs.. bc he was just living and trying to fill his emptiness. Eventually he must have gotten so lonely that he went and searched the infinite timelines for one where Beth is living, and going there he must have felt wild to discover his grandkids who where probably babies.. Bc he was never supposed to see them at all. This show is crazy
@@sulliandwhatnot He parented Beth as a child though, remember the episode The ABC's of Beth exists. He definitely has memories of that, not only Beth.
@@daanjanssens4266 He also mentions that all Ricks made a Froppy land. If that's true he could easily be lying about having done it at all and been bluffing his way through discussions of Beth's childhood using stories he's picked up from other Ricks.
@@thomasjean7191 People don't want this to be true right? I can't see how this makes anything better or more interesting. It destroys so many good character building. Evil morty, btw, has nothing to do with this season. Unless they are doing time travel again, which I doubt, there is no way any of this pre dates season 3. There have been too many references to season 3 and 4 lore. The Voltron episode even mentions c137. Intentionally if you ask me. All these theories man, they improve nothing. I hope the creators do what they've always done, laugh and cringe at them and go on the way they want. But I'm afraid it's too late, they are making quite bad decisions, writing themselves in a corner, the result this being the worst season so far.
Rick is simultaneously drawn to, and emotionally betrayed by, the equivalent of a biological robot in seconds; possibly the single kind of creature in the universe he can relate to. REMEMBER that Rick specifically said, at BP’s wedding, that the latter’s big day was at “Blood Ridge”, the place that their bond’s nature was highlighted as we now know. Birdperson has now taken on the physical manifestation of Rick’s perception of him, which is all the more tragic because their dialogue after awakening indicates it’s an even greater reflection of Rick himself. ‘Young Rick’ specifically points out the callousness of his own future self, which is attributable to machinery, yet Blood Ridge Rick spoke on screen of his desire to go on adventures with Birdperson; a slot that was since occupied by his grandson, Morty, who is now growing into an independent man prematurely, thus it is imminent Rick will be unneeded and rejected once again. For a second time now, Rick has been deemed unworthy by the living manifestation of his own nature, while he grows less relevant to his flesh and blood with each episode.
So I just realized something. The portal gun Rick has in Birdperson’s memories is identical crude first model we saw in his “fake” memories in season 3. Both Mr. Nimbus and Rebel Rick have confirmed that his wife is indeed dead. And these are Birdperson’s memories, meaning that what we see is probably not distorted or made up (at least not consciously). Maybe that memory that Rick “made up” wasn’t entirely a lie…
The best lies are the ones built from truth after all. The only obvious fake part of Rick’s false memory in Season 3 is Beth getting blown up by the bomb as well as Diane. The rest of Rick’s memory is likely real, to provide the sense of realism to the Federation agent. So Birdperson’s memory (as well as Nimbus’ remarks) does at least confirm that Diane died as a result of something Rick caused, likely pissing off that other Rick by refusing the portal technology.
@@popularvote3613 well, now that the season finale confirmed Ricks backstory, yes and no. Yes bc I got the fact that the other Rick was the cause for Diane’s death, but no bc I assumed Beth lived regardless, when in the show she’s not Rick’s original Beth at all.
Can anyone agree here that Gear Dude was a badass. And it's also funny how the gear head we were introduced too was the less impressive brother of the badass one they knew. Pretty cool origin story also showing young Rick and bird person. Truth be told I've been waiting on episode getting back to rick helping bird person.
Interesting how for Rick the battle itself isn't the reason why this is a traumatic memory for him. For most people who faught in a war zone memories watching comrades die and having to k*ll other people or be k*lled would be the source of trauma. But for Rick, what devastated him was having someone he really cares about call him out on his nihilism and bluntly rejected him. It probably hurt Birdperson to hear his best freind say nothing they did mattered after so many just died for somthing that deeply matters to him. Rick can treat war like a fun video game because there's so many other realities where everyone is still alive and he always has back up clone body he can jump into if somthing happened to him or another Rick could just take over the story. Thus he's free of all negative consequences of war. So nothing matters to him because his life has no limits. But for Birdperson this is his ONLY reality and ONLY life. All his freinds,comrades and enemies who just perished were living their ONLY lives. Across this universe there were families on both sides of the war mouring the lose of all who were taken from them and unlike Rick they cant just jump into another universe to get them back. For Birdperson everyone that was just lost is unreplaceable. Everything in his life and every moment of it is valuable and limited. Everything he dose actually DOSE matter to this reality. So he's actually a little disgusted to see that to Rick everyone who just lost their lives could be easily replaced, which probably means their freindship is replaceable. Birdperson may of articulated it in way that was cold and blunt, but doing so he reminds Rick how alone he actually is. To hear it from his best friend who has strong moral compass that Rick admires added to the sting because it probably means its all true. This one little moment was a big blow to how Rick sees himself.
You know I notice something, the way Rick persuaded Birdperson into exploring countless universe where they can have the time of their lives, battling the federation and discovering things along the way, is the same way Rick Prime persuaded Rick into exploring the universe. Both got rejected, but the only difference is Rick didnt make Birdperson's loved ones die and make him suffer
This scene just feels so amazing and blissful. The music, background fighting, everything. This is probably my new favorite episode. I normally do not like the eights but this is an one HELL of an exception.
@@sabreejohnson1551 Same. I'm happy as we're finally getting some confrontation on Rick and Mortys relationship. They've had friction the entire season. Its was even brought up during comic con. So I'm excited to see how they go back to being buddies. Sucks we have to wait but at least we're getting a one hour final!.
This moment is the very essence of the tragedy that is Rick Sanchez. As a dimension-hopping being, he is an outsider. The outcome of this battle has a very deep meaning to the ones that fought it and lost dear friends in it. To Rick, none of that matters. He's detached from the Multiverse, he can revisit each relationship again and again to similar degree, can fight battles over and over again if he wants to. It's all a kick like taking a drug. Birdperson sees this right away. It is a devaluation of everything he holds dear. Honor, victory, meaning of things. Thus, he refuses to join Rick in his adventures. But the most damning part is: Rick can no longer go back. He has seen the infinity of possible things that are out there. It's like taking the Ultra Red Pill. Once you take it, you can never return to the ignorant bliss of a normal life. And his family was already dragged down the drain with him, Morty above all. Thus the entire Sanchez family became something unnatural, each family member to its own degree. And we are witnessing their struggle to cope with it all. We've seen it already in earlier seasons. Morty's detachment level spiked once he saw his own world Cronenberged and had to bury himself to live his life in a parallel world not his own. Theory time: Maybe that detachment level is the indicator that shows the threat level of an individual. Rick C-137, our Rick, is the one Rick with the highest detachment level, the Rogue, as he was called by the Council of Ricks. Maybe Evil Morty, a Morty of yet unknown dimension, has also reached peak detachment level. Of all Mortys, he is the Rogue.
and beyond that, he can't have meaningful relationships because of this. It's not because he can't love, but because those he loves don't share the same mindset. He is forever cursed to be alone, because the ones he cares for are not ready to detach from their lives (such as bird person in this case). Dope analysis nonetheless bro.
And it feels like such a perfect response to all the idiots who worship Rick as some ideal of nihilistic freedom. The one person that Rick respects - loves, even - is someone who rejected his nihilistic attitude entirely. So what if Bird Person's war really is objectively meaningless, in the grand cosmic scope of the multiverse? It's meaningful to Bird Person, and that's what matters. And on some level, I believe Rick thinks so too. Perhaps he's even a little envious, that Bird Person is able to live his life like that, still believing that things matter.
In season 1 Rick said something about not feeling love because it’s just instincts to mate or something, I’m not sure about the full quote. He was probably saying it platonically like how he says he loves Beth or Summer
@@shane4429 no, he just clarified that love is a chemical reaction that compels animals to breed, which is true. But he doesn't see the beautiful part, that is all. He loves Unity, he loved that stranger in the Planetina episode, and loves Bird Person. He CAN feel love, it's just that he probably hates himself for feeling it, because it makes him ordinary.
@@nicollasalmeida4936 because you know there are people disagreeing and under them are people who think only they know whats good so they hate on him having a different opinion. But these are just a small Part of any community sadly theyre so loud you think the majority are like this
It's such a great moment when Young Rick tries to run away from the falling machine, and Rick, knowing he would be crushed, pulls him back to where he was before as it falls around them.
While i fucking loved when Rick and Morty took a sci-fi/fantasy/other stuff concept and subvert it/run it to the ground, i also love it when they played it straight and give us something like this. In conclusion do more Star Wars please.
It does give even further context to what he was trying to tell Space Beth as she's going through her own Star Wars phase, with her of course responding "it's not a phase dad". Maybe she'll turn out different than Rick, but he has tread the same ground she's on right now, defiantly see her coming to a point where she had to decide whether "nothing matters" to her or not.
Bird Person has a sense of purpose that Rick lacks. Why leave to another timeline when his place is right there? BP cares about Rick but its not worth him abandoning his life/integrity. I think that sense of purpose might be what Rick likes about BP in the first place. That or the pecker.
Just remembered: the memory Ricks actually aren’t the Rick that the show follows (C-137). These memory Ricks eventually became the Rick that killed himself and Morty with the third screw turn (unless the universe was switched again after that squirrel incident).
@@LaffTwous Yup, that’s the point 👍 C-137 Rick and Morty went to a new Universe in the middle of Season 1. The Bird Person that we’ve always seen in the show is apparently from this new universe (i.e. it’s probably not C-137 Rick’s original Bird Person and thus the memories that this Bird Person has are probably not of C-137 Rick; his memories are of the Rick from his own universe… who we know accidentally blew himself and Morty up after managing to resolve their Cronenberg issue).
infinite realities, in the episode he said he found a couple dozen exact same realities only they teleported where they both happened to die around that time. it is very possible their history was the same only the other rick and morty story’s was cut short
It took me forever to realize, the reason bird person said no was because he knew that if he joined Rick he would eventually come to realize that Rick was right and consider everything meaningless. Integrity means strong moral principles, he saying that their friendship is not worth turning into another Rick. Don't forget, this is the Bird Person he abandoned in Croninberg world.
“Every decision we’ll ever make is meaningless because somewhere on a parallel earth we already made the opposite choice. We’re nothing less than nothing.” -Owl man
Well, _he_ decided to blow up the multiverse and kill everything. But please don't do that. I'm using this multiverse. There's still too much stuff I don't own.
I absolutely cannot imagine a mainstream tv show 10 years ago doing stuff this subversive yet tender. I have so much respect for the writers for recognizing how much clout R&M has as a franchise and using it to constantly innovate and do things no one else (mainstream wise) has done before
This episode really is subtle about Rick's feelings and I really hope they explore it much more, also anyone get that 'living in with one of the versions of our dead daughter?'
"Bird person's big day was at Blood Ridge on Glapflap's third moon against the Gromflomites.” Now I'm not sure if Rick was referring to the actual battle or the moment he rejected Rick.
I don't think Rick has ever stated so bluntly and truthfully that he loves someone. Even with his own family he is always so hesitant to use the L word. It's a shockingly open-hearted moment even if he is only telling himself (and not even a real self)
I have a feeling that having Bird Person around was helping Rick let go of his quest for revenge in a more healthy way and Rick wanted Bird Person to go with him because that would have made him feel better about how messed up his life was, but, when Bird Person rejected Rick's offer, Rick was angry and went back into his revenge quest, without a second thought, Bird Person might have been the only reason why Rick would try to settle down, forget about revenge and live a better life.
Rick wasn't just offering Brid Person Rick&Morty-esque adventuring. He was about to ask him to help hunt down Rick Prime. Without even knowing it, Bird Person denied participation in a war that matters to Rick more than anything. Rick's invitation to join that war was the biggest love gesture he was able to offer after his family died.
Bird person really shows his intelligence in this scene. He seems to grasp and fully accept that rick can jump realities with very little explanation, and asks the next obvious question of "why did you help" and then immediately points out rick contradicting himself in real time. It's obvious why rick respects him
Also why this conversation lasts so little, it's not a matter of just Rick throwing a tantrum and leaving before talking it out or even a matter of it being condenses for the show, it's because both parties trust each other to have full understanding of what stakes are being debated and to have made up their mind in full confidence.
The saddest part is that memory rick says he doesn't love bird person, which means that bird person never noticed that Rick loves him
Fr
@@flask223 Whats "Fr"?
Or that Bird Person didn't *believe* Rick cared for him, despite his words.
@@NuclearNuke41 it stands for France
@@NuclearNuke41 He died mid-sentence.
I love how young Bird Person didn't like the idea of him and Rick being too attached, only for him to be one of the few people in the universe to genuenly understand and care about Rick decades later
It's not that he didn't care. He was just trying to warn Rick about a life where nothing truly matters. And he was right.
Birdperson seemed to be the only one who could pull Rick back to reality and live with even a shred of humility.
Wubba Lubba Dub Dub! which translates to "I am in great pain please help me"
BP gave him the same flat rejection he once gave evil Rick, who he's turning into
Rick outright says “because you love him” even Rick acknowledges vocally his feelings for his best friend. One thing he really does seem to struggle with but when it comes to BP he has zero hesitation. He was absolutely destroyed when BP was shot at the wedding and was even more distraught when they saw what the federation turned him into
Jerry: what the hell is a bird person?
Morty: He’s Rick’s best friend
Rick: let’s not get carried away now Morty
Best friend or gay lover
Pretty sure rick was bisexual. But most of his partners are female. But he is bi pretty sure. Jz see the hivemind episode
@@mino8266 ok but we have to keep in mind (out of context with the video) that saying "I love you" Doesn't necessarily means they love you as in "love interest" It could just means you care about them because they're the only friend who can truly support and understand you, I always find it weird how people will literally jump into conclusion that a person is gay just because they say "I care about you" Or something related to it
Person1: you're the only person who understands me
Internet: you are now the gay *stamp pride flag on forehead*
@@bullettime8760 Sure but Rick is certainly bi though. He had sex with a sentient planet but everyone gets uncomfortable when he has romantic feelings for another man
Rick tells Birdperson he matters to him even though never else matters, & Birdperson tells Rick their friendship is cringe. Such a relatable moment.
True, great memories between those guys.👏👏
Nothing else matters is a good song from Metallica. 🤓 And, come to think of it, the lyrics completely match Rick's feelings for Bird-Person and adventures in the multiverse.
I feel this every time I confess to a girl I feel she is worthy
Pretty sure he’s saying that Rick’s mentality of believing that nothing matters is gross.
@@neverbeenpk1579 that's the problem, many are only interested if they think you aren't. People always want what they can't have.
So, what hurt Rick wasn't the fact that he lost a lot of good friends that day, but because he was rejected by his best friend. Rick wanted to go on reality-jumping adventures with the one true friend he had, but Birdperson wasn't comfortable with it. It is hard to blame Birdperson on that, given that was just suddenly dropped on him right after an intense battle where he lost good friends.
Yeah Rick just essentially told him everything he loved and was fighting for doesn't matter. Forget everything lets go have fun. And Ricks to arrogant to see how much of a jerk he sounds like, just saying that right there.
And then thats when he eventually moves on to adventures with morty and his family cause he wants the adventure for better or worse
"best friend"
Thats why he's with Morty the most
@@trustinbaronian1934 After this he goes to adventures with Kyle. Then he meets Morty.
It hits the feels pretty hard when you remember, Rick can have any Birdperson from any of the universes, but he wants *his* Birdperson.
Actually, isn't this BP from the Replacement Dimension?
@@goldenhorde6944 not necessarily.
Actually Birdperson isn’t introduced until after Rick and Morty leave the Cronenberg dimension. So the Birdperson we follow in the show is not from the prime universe (Cronenberg) or Rick C-137’s original universe (where his family died) he is from the replacement universe.
@@goldenhorde6944 yes
@@ElementalMatrix i think that his planet has only been reached through portals so it’s possible that Rick just grabs him from C-137. Or that he’s been using a lot of Mindblower’s from the replacement universe, for some reason
I think what also speaks to their relationship is Rick has a softer tone when he rejects him. He doesn’t call him a fucking moron or idiot or something in line with something Rick would say that usually comes out super callous and rude. He calls him a “judgemental dork”
regardless how you look at it, rick confessed his feelings to birdperson whom promptly shuts him down. platonic, romantic, neither or both, that still hurts bro.
No rick was being a nihilistic dick and BP promptly called him out on it and rick couldn't take that.
@@therealistintheboot8822 I mean. Both of those things happened here. They arent mutually exclusive.
@@tahseenkhan3629 True. While Rick was baring his soul to Bird Person here and demonstrating just how important Bird Person is to him...Rick also revealed how completely detached an uncaring about the rest of the universe he is. Including towards things that are of personal importance to Bird Person like his fight against oppression.
@@dungeonguy88 yup. In one of the BP memories in this episode, they show Federation bugs mistreating a bunch of young little bird people. One of them was BP. Rick should have been sensitive to BP's traumatic past and known BP couldn't just walk away from this fight.
@The Realist in the boot88 Rick helped he fight a battle, he isn’t being nihilistic he just wants to have fun. The whole point of the scene is that neither of them are right
Rick can actually be friends with anyone. Remember that toilet episode? Hes not an entirely unfeeling supreme genius. But because of his constant rationalizations, it always spurs him on to do things that excite him and to despise mundane things. Like a drug addict addicted to the high. And Rick knows it. Thats why he always tries to bury his emotions because when he gets too obsessed with something or someone, he goes all nuts crazy imagining all the possible things he or they can do. Rick is a man trying to catch the wind with his bare hand. Thats what makes his life so sad.
To that point this provides further understanding of Rick in the toilet episode and why he was so dismissive of Tony because the last time he opened himself up to a friend (asking bird person to go on adventures) he rejected him
And he's a high-functioning alcoholic... let's never forget that he generally makes everyones lives worse.
@@tcsnowdream9975 Pretty sure thats the reason why he drinks, in the memories, he was just high and having a good time.
god bless u, u put it in words perfectly
Rick jus wants someone to go on adventures with.
This remix of the main theme deserves to be released as an stand-alone track.
True
It was. On Rick and Morty music channel
After this episode my head cannon has changed a little, now I believe that the main theme song was improvised by Bird-Person, Rick, and Squanchy during their earlier concert at the music festival.
@@Dan-pt2tn Whoops, didn't know about that. They should also post the music on this channel for visibility imo
@@leviswranglers2813 That would've been really cool to see, kind of a wasted opportunity really
“Even though nothing matters?”
“Okay… You matter, to me.”
This sums up the tone of Rick’s entire character in such a heavy way.
When you then see Rick's full backstory, Bird Person's rejection hurts all the more. Since Rick was healing from the grief of losing his whole family.
And the rejection comes from the fact that Rick thinks about traveling across other universes together.
Interdimensional travel took his family and his friend: the portal gun is a curse.
He never healed. The other Ricks dragged him down to their level and he stayed there.
It’s Rick Prime AKA Weird Rick who dropped the bomb and sealed his fate
I wonder why Rick just didnt go find a new Diane. Since most Ricks leave when Beth is a child leaves plenty of dimensions he could slip into.
@@maskedwalnut because, to him our own Rick C137 he is only wife and daughter are truly irreplaceable
what gets me is that Rick could probably find a universe where Birdperson does love him back but he clearly cares about this specific version of him- even if he rejected him, based on what he said to his garages ai: “yeah, run off to find a version of my best friend that suits me, thats not how this works.”
Yes, and this is also why he sticks to the c137 morty and doesn't go to a dimension where Diane is alive. He's so sentimental I love this beautiful disaster
@@wcfan623 C137 Morty never existed because C137 Beth died as child
@@iamepicfumo2360 yes but because not even Rick knows what dimension he went to get his family "back", Morty is still called c137, because thats the version of Rick he "belongs" to.
He identifies himself as c137 morty multiple times and no one ever corrects, even citadel ricks who should know better.
the real plot hole is if rick doesn't know his current home dimension number, how does he ever portal back to it
@@Swift_LN i feel like its more likely that he doesnt remember his original dimension, the one where he lost beth and diane, and found a dimension likely c137 and settled there instead, but also dont think too hard on it, theyve played fast and loose with their rules, i mean they have hopped permanently a few times now so
@@connorbovingdon8563 They scan his portal gun and it says “C-137”. They only look at Morty odd when he says “C-137.” They don’t actually know what Dimension he’s from.
Hell, we don’t even know what Dimension Summer, Beth, and Jerry are from
is nobody mentioning that even rick’s manifestation is calling him out on his ego and he does NOT like the idea of growing up to be him?
well stick yourself in a room with a perfect double with you and you're both either gonna get along or the clone is gonna hate your guts.
Remember, it is Birdman's manifestation. Birdman thinks the old rick would have hated turning into the egomaniacal Rick we see today.
its a psychological experiment. if you and a clone of yourself would be together in a room, you would either love each other more than anyone else, or hate each other more than anyone else.
@@thahoule7924 Although this is a tad different since this is a younger Rick as Bird Person remembers.
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2:16 I like that detail that Rick had to look around to see if anyone else was there before saying that Bird Person mattered to him.
after so long we finally see the fabled battle of blood ridge lmao
I remember the artwork with bitdpetson holding holding a dead bird person. Look it up it’s awesome
I really don’t remember this battle being alluded to or mentioned.
@@Larsgman at bird person’s wedding, his big day
when was battle of bloodridge first mentioned?
And its god damn beautiful
Rick: "Come with me"
Birdperson: "to...somewhere nearby?"
Best lines in the whole episode
it's funny how all of the three Ricks in this scene had the same thought about Bird Person, none of them felt bad for him for being offended by Rick's proposal, in fact, they all thought he was stupid for doing so.
But only the older Rick, cared about BP.
Rick's complicated with his emotions and motivations. This episodes shows how selfish but how kind he is when it comes to the people he cares.
They all cared but was to younge and cool to admit it.
In that scene I was unsure how we are meant to feel since even the older/“real” Rick doesn’t seem to realize he was indeed the one being a dick. Bird person could’ve been a little nicer/more understanding of Rick’s perspective, but Rick is the one who walked away and gave the F U.
Are we all felt this with our friends? We all want what's best for our friend but at the same time we don't want to lose them to other outside factors
@Delink Notice how BP's image of Rick is one where he doesn't really care about him.
Why would bird person not accept the offer? It didn’t seem offensive to me. It seemed pretty cool.
I'm with Birdperson, this universe and war matter to him. He can't abandon it for a thrill ride..
If you think about it, has Rick ever finished anything ever?
Could have said that instead of cringe. That confused the hell out of me.
@@Supersurfer12 he's like an impotent god. All that power and nothing real to show for it.
@@Supersurfer12 if you think about it yes, and that's silly
@@justanobadi6655 well aside from the multiple finished inventions? Yall talking about series arc wise? Because even then those are reaches
It's funny how much Rick contradicts himself. "Nothing matters." "Doing awesome things that matter."
Rick creates his own meaning in the absence of one
It's not that complicated, Rick jus wants to adventure with someone, that's why he drags morty, summer, beth or jerry along with him.
He literally can make a perfectly functioning killer cyborg to act as his sidekick but doesn't.
Rick is a lonely man in this infinitely meaningless world.
It’s because Rick just is a bit of a sociopath, honestly. Bird Person sees infinite realities and says ‘okay, cool. This one is still mine, though’. Rick sees infinite realities and uses that as a justification to say that nothing matters so he can do whatever he wants, despite that never quite meshing with his own actions.
Thats not sociopathic, it's nihilism.
@@keith9864 No, it’s not. Rick is a sociopath, he uses nihilism as a JUSTIFICATION for his sociopathy. Literally right now, he is telling Bird Person that all their friends dying didn’t matter because they exist in other universes, which is NOT what nihilism is about.
"This relationship isn't worth my integrity." Damn, what a line. Birdperson is essentially saying that he has a completely different outlook on life than Rick--that shit does matter, like his homeworld, his family, his friends--and he won't betray his own personal values by going on nihilistic adventures with Rick. But it's said in such a blunt (I mean, he always is), devastating way. Basically Rick was shot down because of a difference in values...feels bad man.
You can definitely see why Rick loves Birdperson so much, he shoots straight & is genuine. Rick revealed they can travel the mutiverse and Birdperson turned it down because it wasn't worth his integrity. You know who else did that? Rick C-137, when Killer Rick offered him portal tech.
@@mr.beatdown
Seeing the season finale, it all made sense.
After Birdperson turned him down, he looked back pissed off... because he was now alone in hunting down the Rick that took his family. If you look at it from Rick's side, Bird Person said he was in his debt for fighting in the war. A war even Rick said didn't even matter but fought anyway for his friend.
The fact Rick is so guarded about his feelings and that this was the first time he showed BP the portal gun, I'd think he'd be hesitant to outright tell him the overwhelming truth that he's actually one of the FEW good versions of himself in a sea of evil versions, trying to find the one who killed his family.
Keep in mind Rick actually spent 30+ years waging this private war against the Alliance of Ricks.
@@mr.beatdown Only thing that equals high intelligence is high wisdom)
@@neoxus30 And high up-your-own assness.
Rick was becoming his own Nemesis, this blunt rejection saved him from turning into his natural self, who he hates most of all - will build a wall around infinity just to isolate and track down, in a way no other Rick, even evil Rick, nor evil Morty, will see coming - that level of infinite hate. BP cringing to his face about having integrity to not abandon people he cares about literally just saved his soul from himself. No wonder he loves him 120%. BP caring for people is Rick's anchor to his own cares, which he's losing track of. Best friends ever!
Gotta love Rick's character growth here. He's no longer afraid to admit he has emotional attachments to people, and recognizes his previous insistence to the contrary as the lame pretense that it was.
Old Rick: "Because you love him."
Young Rick: "You do maybe, I don't."
Old Rick: "Yeah yeah you're real cool, now come help me save his life or fuck off, cause I don't need you."
Followed by just turning away. Old Rick completely calls Young Rick's bluff on not caring.
Adult Rick is not young, 35 yrs old is not young. Adult and old are different
@@neto7651 young Rick is just 35 years younger than our rick
Rick knows he is truly alone inside kf BPs head. He can talk freely in there
@@neto7651 compared to 70. That's still young. 35 is usually when most males in modern society are finally respected as an adult.
@@neto7651 Depends, if one is 12 it may seem like really old
"Because you love him." Holy shit that hit like a brick. I don't think Rick has expressed love to anyone but Beth Morty and Summer, and they don't usually feel as deep.
I think it’s because it’s himself, he wouldn’t ever genuinely admit that to anybody else. But he’s accepted it himself so it doesn’t bother him if he tells a dream manifestation
What about jerry?
@@edwardhoffenheim3249 he loves Beth who loves Jerry, those credits don’t transfer
I think in his wedding speech in S2, he said he loved bird person.
I think the main difference is that Rick not only loves BP but respects him too.
This was really one of the best, if not the best, episode of this season thus far. I can't wait to see what that one hour special brings to the table.
One hour special?!
Mortys turn to evil Morte
@Tristann Zahyd Robles Orozco cry
@@callumgreen7544 Yeah bro, we're getting a whole 1 hour special come September 5th
@@TheRealW.S.Foster nicee, I don't want it to end tho it's been so good 😭
I love how Blood ridge Rick doesn't care whether he's a memory or not
Everyone noticing that Rick is admitting to himself that he loves someone. Which is something he just sometimes does and only to some of his family members (Morty and Beth and sometimes Summer and never Jerry).
But what impressed me is he saying "None of this matters, but I respect your." because Rick admitting there are things or people he respects is something he never did. Quite the opposite, him expressing verbally his disrespect is almost a catchphrase for him "They're bureaucrats, I don't respect them." or "Because don't respect therapy", or "I don't respect Time Travel".....
Many time we've seen that there are things that Rick feels connection for. Being human beings like Morty or cool concepts, like Gotron Robots. But it's the first time were he admitis that there are people whose existance he actually values and thinks are worth it.
The definition of respect: "a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements." I don't know if this applies to many cool things he's attracted to, but applies to Birdperson.
This scene puts the entirety of The Wedding Squanchers in a new light
Dude. Haven't seen the episode but I'm already emotional after this. This is a perfect example of me and my best friend's relationship. Rick has always reminded me of him. It's just too bad "Rick" died in my universe... Rest in Peace Austin.
Hope you are OK bro
Aww I’m so sorry. Hope you’re ok.
I remember the season finale with the weddings, BP and Squanch dying, you see Rick drunk crying over his pictures with them and Blood Ridge. We always assumed that someone died, not that Rick hurt his best friend.
That Rick and Morty remix theme in the background is so badass
Did someone lose their significant other while writing this season, Jessica a time god, planetina and morty breaking up, and now bird person outright friend zoning rick I mean come on.
Dan Harmon was going through a divorce during the writing on an episode it probably wasn't the planetina episode but I can't remember which one lol
@@e.k.o5412 It was in the episode 3 of season 2, Auto Erotic Assimilation
He doesn’t love him romantically you coomer
@@danielcristianescobar8157 rick is bi, rick says he loves birdperson. I don't remember him to anyone before, let alone sounding genuine while saying it.
And years later there are still apologists for her, I know she could have been a favourite for me too if she didn't try to jump into bed with the doctor the day before her wedding.
I'm going to predict that their strong relationship isn't just because of their time together doing drugs and fighting the federation. Rick respects and latches on to BP because he was the first friend he made after he lost his family. Rick was lost and BP gave him purpose when nothing mattered anymore, he was his new family. Losing his family again he went to the next best thing he could, a version of what could have been.
To add in an edit, I'm going to say PB was first person Rick loved again.
Pb?
Alot of people love peanut butter, not just Rick
@@tonylamar660 It is now PP.
@@tonylamar660 Princess Bubblegum
@@vitezjura black pp
Wait do you think the reason why rick loves bird person is because he was essentially saved by him after his family died? In the episode, rick was getting high off his arse, later he and BP are fighting the other ricks, he helped him sober up enough and they became friends. Most of ricks relationships are him doing things for an exchange but this seems like rick being by BP just for the sake of it, he enjoys his presence and he's the only other person after Diane he fell for and loves. it's why he went to extremes, rather than find another BP, rick wanted to stay, he didn't want to run away anymore. He's grown a hell of a lot these past seasons.
Now that's what I call good character development, he actually gives a shit in some situations
If this Rick is the most Rick and his daughter died when she was a kid that means that he has no Morty, and that hypothetical grandson he's talking about is just the idea of the Morty he could have had if Beth didn't die. It's been shown that Rick doesn't hesitate on moving to a different reality. He loves the people he's living with atm, but it seems like the only one that apparently can't be replaced is our Morty. I would love to see why is that, if it's just a random Morty that he decided to protect no matter what to give a meaning to his life or because there's something truly special about our Morty.
Something crazy that makes me think is what happened to Dianne on this reality. Mr Nimbus knew that she died, but if Beth's alive it means she died in a different way. It's crazy that we still don't know anything about her.
Man I love the fact that he has "no Morty". Infinite realities, everything can happen... Including Rick, BP and Squanchy playing the theme song on that gig they had ♥️
it definetly has to do with Rick saying that he's the "mortiest morty" . Its not just some random thing Rick came up with, since he also apperantly knows to not make Morty too cocky about himself. It has to mean something.
If it means that they are the most "themselves" then this implies that our Rick could be the smartest and realest of them all. Following this pattern Morty could have the biggest potential for growth of them all. That our Morty is the most likely to surpass Rick. The previous Mortiest Morty Rick had could be further evidence of that. Evil Morty could be the previous Mortiest Morty and it shows that Rick used his potential for growth, to the point where he surpassed him before he even went into adulthood. leading to him abandoning that Morty.
That would be actually sick if Evil Morty was actually the only candidate in the entire universe to be smarter than the smartest being in the universe
But it could also mean something completly else. who knows.
@@EpicGamer-fl7fn that sounds awesome dude. I love the idea of the potential that Morty could have. I truly hope there's something about Morty/ evil nemesis on the season finale.
@61 Cygni what?? Nobody talked about that here mate
@61 Cygni in this episode it’s mentioned @7:57- 8:07 when 35 yr old Rick was talking to our Rick. The conversation happened so fast that I’m pretty sure it went over a lot of peoples heads.
With how things are, the "This Season is the creation of Evil Morty" theory grows stronger.
Rick nearly risked his own life to bring Birdperson back from being dead then being a murderous cyborg. Best friends forever!!
And he still managed to strain their relationship...mere seconds after waking up.
True that
@@shinigamiphantom1391 BP gets offended by everything.
@@Halcon_Sierreno
BP was upset about Rick using his half bird person half human daughter as leverage.
He would back from operation Phoenix thing
That's just a declaration of love but Rick and Morty's fanbase is not ready for it.
Ugh I guess.. I'm just confused why people were complaining about fans using this scene to say Rick is bi when Roiland already confirmed him as pan in like season 2
real
Gotta respect the fact that the whole episode is a canon backstory of Rick, not like the fabricated one in the Szechuan sauce episode, not story train, real memories
It alludes to his wife being murdered again. The first set of thigs state killing them won't bring her back.
This episode confirms that Rick's original Beth died when he was around 35, so there's a good chance the memory in S3E1 was actually real.
@@stonedguyy i think i missed that part what do you mean it conferms beths death
@@jackstammers8045 watch episode 1 season 3 to see that bomb blow up right in front of Beth and ricks wife. As for the memory I believe rick used a real memory as a template and adjusted the formula slightly to get out of prison
@@kosta1987 they literally said in the episode that you can't alter a memory, nothing in that scene was real
The “because you love him” actually shocked me when I first watched this. This was the first time in the whole series we hear Rick say that he loves somebody, not as a joke, but sincerely.
It’s kinda sad to see how optimistic young Rick is
This is the show at its best, hands-down. The best action sequence since "Star Mort: Rickturn of the Jerri" and the best conversation between characters since "The ABCs of Beth."
Completely agree. Not only was this the best of the season, but I’d honestly argue this deserves a spot as one of the best episodes of the series. It was sad, funny, full of plot, had great dialogue and action like you said, and was entertaining. I could watch it all over again honestly.
Definitely one of the best episodes of the whole show.
The 80’s synthwave soundtrack adds so much to this great scene
0:37 The fact that Rick is traumatised by the war and only wants to run away from one of his most painful memories...
Ricks unrequited love for Birdperson re-contextualized so many scenes and lines, love this.
Rick loves Bird-person, but he isn’t *in love* with Bird Person.
@@mrlowkey4187 Actually if you watched the episode you would know that Rick says "My name is Rick Sanchez and I got a big ol' crush on my mans Birdperson." so 🤷♂️
@@coffeewithcartoons He was drunk and exited, he doesn’t actually want a sexual relationship with Bird-Person.
@@mrlowkey4187 No bro I'm pretty sure he wants Birdperson to spoon him to bed at night, hence the iconic line from season 3 episode 5 when Rick says "God I want Birdperson to spoon me to be at night." while narrating his diary entry to the audience. so...🤷♂️
@@coffeewithcartoons don’t know is what you’re talking about, but wasn’t that the writers throwing shade at the audience?
This is one of Ricks biggest problems. He lacks emotional intelligence. Right after all that he basically just tells birdperson forget everything you care about, your people, the war, nothing matters. Lets just go on adventures. And Birdperson doesn't see it that way. But Ricks too arrogant to see that wasn't something to say to him in the middle of a war. Especially when he is indirectly saying Birdperson is wrong to care about stuff. Than he gets mad when people don't immediately just accept his way of thinking. He has the intelligence of a god but the maturity of an edgy college freshman who reads too many philosophy books and never learned people skills.
So a redditor
I'm joking btw
Why do you need "emotional intelligence", if you have real intelligence?
@@tomashcraft emotional intelligence is pretty helpful when socializing
@@tomashcraft The fact that you say that shows you think you have one but you don't have either.
@@prideguy3233 judging people by your own interpretations of someone's phrases. Such a good example of what you just said.
"My first day as a member of the 501st... it was hot, it was sandy, chaotic. Nothing at all like the simulations on Kamino. Of course that's pretty much the way it was for all of us, wasn't it? All that breeding, all those years of training... doesn't really prepare you for all the screaming or the blood, does it? Frankly, I'm still amazed we ever made it through the first hour, never mind the first day."
-Unknown Clone Trooper
In a lot of ways, Rick seems like a man who refuses to grow up.
And that's why I think he's cool. He's never complacent
@@Ndasuunye
Refusing to grow up is the definition of complacency
@@Ndasuunye I mean going on adventures across the multiverse is fun, but don't isolate or disrespect anyone else.
The issue was that Rick told BP everything he was fighting for and all of his friends didn't matter to him, what he doing was useless, that he should forget ALL of it just to do wacky adventures. I mean I'd be offended if someone told me everything I did was useless and for nothing, and that I should forget all of it.
He's not refusing to grow up because he goes on wacky adventures, it's how he acts because of them.
@@guccifer764 "growing up" usually means just playing by the rules and satisfying the expectations of a society put in front of you. In the face of an infinite universe with billions and billions of galaxies and no real meaning of time, "growing up" actually is insignificant. Not to be a nihilist, but what we do isn't actually going to be remembered forever.
@@avolantyable Would you care to elaborate more? Do you mean that Stalin thought no one would remember his acts of genocide? And again, we're talking about being remembered on a universal scale of hundreds of trillions of years. Not just the past 80 years.
I die when Rick say “besucase you love him “
Did anyone catch what he told his younger self earlier in the episode? “Hypothetical Grandson” “You visit versions of our dead daughter and stay there?” I probably misheard but just wanted to know if anyone else noted that.
I did too I’m just assuming that in his universe he stayed with Beth but she died so he hopped into another universe to live with one that still alive
I heard it two
It makes sense if he hopped into another universe of beth but Hypothetical grandson stuck out to me
@@Chalan_Chitrakaar by hypothetical he means the grandson he could have had if beth had lived
Thats why rick is so detached he sees his family as the family he could have had
@@colin3ds1 that makes sense, maybe there were versions of rick who abandoned beth and versions of him who lost beth and this rick lost his beth and went in place of the abandoned beth. Maybe season 3 opener was a correct memory and the ricks that abandoned beth abandoned cuz there portal gun was a success and thee rest had the fate of season 3 opener
Did I miss something? Or is it odd that half way through this episode they pretty much dropped the biggest bombshell on us ever by revealing that Ultimate Rick (Our Rick) is from the timeline where Beth never exists because her and the mother died. (Assuming the origin story from S3E1 was partially real and not fake.) Therefore, Morty and Summer hypothetically doesn't exist in his original universe, and the entire series is him living in realities where they do exist. 🤯 IDK, I just never thought of it like that until this episode.
Holy crap ! I just went back and he did say that.. so that means Beth and his wife died somehow, and that’s why he was 35 and alone on some planet doing space drugs.. bc he was just living and trying to fill his emptiness. Eventually he must have gotten so lonely that he went and searched the infinite timelines for one where Beth is living, and going there he must have felt wild to discover his grandkids who where probably babies.. Bc he was never supposed to see them at all. This show is crazy
@@sulliandwhatnot He parented Beth as a child though, remember the episode The ABC's of Beth exists. He definitely has memories of that, not only Beth.
@@daanjanssens4266 He also mentions that all Ricks made a Froppy land. If that's true he could easily be lying about having done it at all and been bluffing his way through discussions of Beth's childhood using stories he's picked up from other Ricks.
I wonder where evil Morty fits in to this, he and Rick obviously have a backstory going on too. This raised more questions than it answers
@@thomasjean7191 People don't want this to be true right? I can't see how this makes anything better or more interesting. It destroys so many good character building.
Evil morty, btw, has nothing to do with this season. Unless they are doing time travel again, which I doubt, there is no way any of this pre dates season 3. There have been too many references to season 3 and 4 lore. The Voltron episode even mentions c137. Intentionally if you ask me.
All these theories man, they improve nothing. I hope the creators do what they've always done, laugh and cringe at them and go on the way they want. But I'm afraid it's too late, they are making quite bad decisions, writing themselves in a corner, the result this being the worst season so far.
Rick is simultaneously drawn to, and emotionally betrayed by, the equivalent of a biological robot in seconds; possibly the single kind of creature in the universe he can relate to. REMEMBER that Rick specifically said, at BP’s wedding, that the latter’s big day was at “Blood Ridge”, the place that their bond’s nature was highlighted as we now know. Birdperson has now taken on the physical manifestation of Rick’s perception of him, which is all the more tragic because their dialogue after awakening indicates it’s an even greater reflection of Rick himself. ‘Young Rick’ specifically points out the callousness of his own future self, which is attributable to machinery, yet Blood Ridge Rick spoke on screen of his desire to go on adventures with Birdperson; a slot that was since occupied by his grandson, Morty, who is now growing into an independent man prematurely, thus it is imminent Rick will be unneeded and rejected once again. For a second time now, Rick has been deemed unworthy by the living manifestation of his own nature, while he grows less relevant to his flesh and blood with each episode.
It makes sense that the best friend of someone as intense as Rick would so bland...
me and my best friend are the same, i love him to death and we have similar values, but man our temperaments are so opposed
He’s not bland he’s just not expressive
if he was truly bland rick would never have this much affection for him
monotone voice doesn’t mean bland
So I just realized something.
The portal gun Rick has in Birdperson’s memories is identical crude first model we saw in his “fake” memories in season 3.
Both Mr. Nimbus and Rebel Rick have confirmed that his wife is indeed dead.
And these are Birdperson’s memories, meaning that what we see is probably not distorted or made up (at least not consciously).
Maybe that memory that Rick “made up” wasn’t entirely a lie…
the best lies are made of truths tweaked just enough to get what you want
and i think in this episode at the beggining for some reason rick and BP are fighting other ricks and rick says it is for revenge...
The best lies are the ones built from truth after all. The only obvious fake part of Rick’s false memory in Season 3 is Beth getting blown up by the bomb as well as Diane. The rest of Rick’s memory is likely real, to provide the sense of realism to the Federation agent.
So Birdperson’s memory (as well as Nimbus’ remarks) does at least confirm that Diane died as a result of something Rick caused, likely pissing off that other Rick by refusing the portal technology.
You must feel very astute now.
@@popularvote3613 well, now that the season finale confirmed Ricks backstory, yes and no. Yes bc I got the fact that the other Rick was the cause for Diane’s death, but no bc I assumed Beth lived regardless, when in the show she’s not Rick’s original Beth at all.
Can anyone agree here that Gear Dude was a badass. And it's also funny how the gear head we were introduced too was the less impressive brother of the badass one they knew. Pretty cool origin story also showing young Rick and bird person. Truth be told I've been waiting on episode getting back to rick helping bird person.
It’s so unfair Rick has gorgeous flowing hair at 35, let alone at however old he is now.
He is the smartest person in the universe. Of course he has cool hair.
Present Rick looks like he just went through an electrical field
Interesting how for Rick the battle itself isn't the reason why this is a traumatic memory for him.
For most people who faught in a war zone memories watching comrades die and having to k*ll other people or be k*lled would be the source of trauma. But for Rick, what devastated him was having someone he really cares about call him out on his nihilism and bluntly rejected him.
It probably hurt Birdperson to hear his best freind say nothing they did mattered after so many just died for somthing that deeply matters to him. Rick can treat war like a fun video game because there's so many other realities where everyone is still alive and he always has back up clone body he can jump into if somthing happened to him or another Rick could just take over the story. Thus he's free of all negative consequences of war. So nothing matters to him because his life has no limits. But for Birdperson this is his ONLY reality and ONLY life. All his freinds,comrades and enemies who just perished were living their ONLY lives. Across this universe there were families on both sides of the war mouring the lose of all who were taken from them and unlike Rick they cant just jump into another universe to get them back. For Birdperson everyone that was just lost is unreplaceable. Everything in his life and every moment of it is valuable and limited. Everything he dose actually DOSE matter to this reality. So he's actually a little disgusted to see that to Rick everyone who just lost their lives could be easily replaced, which probably means their freindship is replaceable.
Birdperson may of articulated it in way that was cold and blunt, but doing so he reminds Rick how alone he actually is. To hear it from his best friend who has strong moral compass that Rick admires added to the sting because it probably means its all true. This one little moment was a big blow to how Rick sees himself.
You know I notice something, the way Rick persuaded Birdperson into exploring countless universe where they can have the time of their lives, battling the federation and discovering things along the way, is the same way Rick Prime persuaded Rick into exploring the universe. Both got rejected, but the only difference is Rick didnt make Birdperson's loved ones die and make him suffer
They won’t fight right is a great line
This scene just feels so amazing and blissful. The music, background fighting, everything. This is probably my new favorite episode. I normally do not like the eights but this is an one HELL of an exception.
This episode shows just how much Rick is willing to do for his loved ones, even if it puts his life at risk in the process
This episode was AMAZING! so excited for the one hour final!!.
Same here, i honestly wonder how this season will end. We'll have to find out in 5 weeks!
@@sabreejohnson1551 Same. I'm happy as we're finally getting some confrontation on Rick and Mortys relationship. They've had friction the entire season. Its was even brought up during comic con. So I'm excited to see how they go back to being buddies. Sucks we have to wait but at least we're getting a one hour final!.
It's kinda clear that we might be getting an Evil Morty episode before the Final because we saw bird person and Tammy's story :)
@@sabreejohnson1551 WAIT 5 weeks!?!?!?
@@kembowhite1903 Yeah, i'm not Kidding. Check your calandar.
This moment is the very essence of the tragedy that is Rick Sanchez. As a dimension-hopping being, he is an outsider. The outcome of this battle has a very deep meaning to the ones that fought it and lost dear friends in it. To Rick, none of that matters. He's detached from the Multiverse, he can revisit each relationship again and again to similar degree, can fight battles over and over again if he wants to. It's all a kick like taking a drug. Birdperson sees this right away. It is a devaluation of everything he holds dear. Honor, victory, meaning of things. Thus, he refuses to join Rick in his adventures.
But the most damning part is: Rick can no longer go back. He has seen the infinity of possible things that are out there. It's like taking the Ultra Red Pill. Once you take it, you can never return to the ignorant bliss of a normal life. And his family was already dragged down the drain with him, Morty above all. Thus the entire Sanchez family became something unnatural, each family member to its own degree. And we are witnessing their struggle to cope with it all. We've seen it already in earlier seasons. Morty's detachment level spiked once he saw his own world Cronenberged and had to bury himself to live his life in a parallel world not his own.
Theory time:
Maybe that detachment level is the indicator that shows the threat level of an individual. Rick C-137, our Rick, is the one Rick with the highest detachment level, the Rogue, as he was called by the Council of Ricks. Maybe Evil Morty, a Morty of yet unknown dimension, has also reached peak detachment level. Of all Mortys, he is the Rogue.
Jesus bro
and beyond that, he can't have meaningful relationships because of this. It's not because he can't love, but because those he loves don't share the same mindset. He is forever cursed to be alone, because the ones he cares for are not ready to detach from their lives (such as bird person in this case). Dope analysis nonetheless bro.
That’s a rlly good theory
And it feels like such a perfect response to all the idiots who worship Rick as some ideal of nihilistic freedom. The one person that Rick respects - loves, even - is someone who rejected his nihilistic attitude entirely. So what if Bird Person's war really is objectively meaningless, in the grand cosmic scope of the multiverse? It's meaningful to Bird Person, and that's what matters. And on some level, I believe Rick thinks so too. Perhaps he's even a little envious, that Bird Person is able to live his life like that, still believing that things matter.
They knew they needed to make this as badass as possible, and they did.
Well done.
Honestly, this is probably one of the top 5 episodes of R&M. Was so good
1:17: Yeah, BEST FRIENDSHIP, EVER!!
"The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting" - Sun Tzu
Sun Tzu said that!
And I'd say he know a little more about war than you do pal 'cause he invented it
Its you again
I think Rick was actually trying to tell BP he loved him
yeah lol "i never used that word" in regards to "relationship" which he thought was being used romantically
Probably. Still got rejected though. Kinda explain why he doesn't wanna go to his wedding.
In season 1 Rick said something about not feeling love because it’s just instincts to mate or something, I’m not sure about the full quote. He was probably saying it platonically like how he says he loves Beth or Summer
@@shane4429 no, he just clarified that love is a chemical reaction that compels animals to breed, which is true. But he doesn't see the beautiful part, that is all. He loves Unity, he loved that stranger in the Planetina episode, and loves Bird Person. He CAN feel love, it's just that he probably hates himself for feeling it, because it makes him ordinary.
@@endlesssummerpictures6329 oh my bad
Rick and Morty lore is so interesting. This is one of the best scenes in the whole show
Idk why, but I think there will be some people triggered by this.
@@nicollasalmeida4936 because you know there are people disagreeing and under them are people who think only they know whats good so they hate on him having a different opinion. But these are just a small Part of any community sadly theyre so loud you think the majority are like this
@@bobob6128 u are right, except by the fact I don't think they're the majority.
@acktually aintaddingup because people who hate this show will spend times mailing theory’s on it……right
It's such a great moment when Young Rick tries to run away from the falling machine, and Rick, knowing he would be crushed, pulls him back to where he was before as it falls around them.
This episode gave us 4 seasons worth of canon
While i fucking loved when Rick and Morty took a sci-fi/fantasy/other stuff concept and subvert it/run it to the ground, i also love it when they played it straight and give us something like this.
In conclusion do more Star Wars please.
@acktually aintaddingup I'm not saying that every episode have to do serious lore heavy straight up shit like this.
@acktually aintaddingup the formula isn’t genius its just fine. that’s all. would be interesting if there was actually a story being told
It does give even further context to what he was trying to tell Space Beth as she's going through her own Star Wars phase, with her of course responding "it's not a phase dad". Maybe she'll turn out different than Rick, but he has tread the same ground she's on right now, defiantly see her coming to a point where she had to decide whether "nothing matters" to her or not.
Rick should just be honest with Birdperson, like, this is so sad, he clearly loves him
Like how Rick gets around saying
"I love him." By saying to his other self that. "You love him."
One of the greatest scenes in Rick and Morty history, and that's saying a lot.
Rick wanted birdperson To be his morty a friend he can go on adventures with but got rejected
this episode felt like a lucid dream and i love it
Bird Person has a sense of purpose that Rick lacks. Why leave to another timeline when his place is right there? BP cares about Rick but its not worth him abandoning his life/integrity. I think that sense of purpose might be what Rick likes about BP in the first place. That or the pecker.
The pecker is just a bonus.
Wait what
Just remembered: the memory Ricks actually aren’t the Rick that the show follows (C-137). These memory Ricks eventually became the Rick that killed himself and Morty with the third screw turn (unless the universe was switched again after that squirrel incident).
That’s not right. Our Rick and Morty is C-137. Their new family they snuck into that episode wasn’t C-137.
@@LaffTwous Yup, that’s the point 👍 C-137 Rick and Morty went to a new Universe in the middle of Season 1. The Bird Person that we’ve always seen in the show is apparently from this new universe (i.e. it’s probably not C-137 Rick’s original Bird Person and thus the memories that this Bird Person has are probably not of C-137 Rick; his memories are of the Rick from his own universe… who we know accidentally blew himself and Morty up after managing to resolve their Cronenberg issue).
@@ryandubois7419 That’s interesting, ur right. Sorry I misunderstood.
@@LaffTwous All good 👍
infinite realities, in the episode he said he found a couple dozen exact same realities only they teleported where they both happened to die around that time. it is very possible their history was the same only the other rick and morty story’s was cut short
That explains why Rick was so adamant on the wedding episode
It took me forever to realize, the reason bird person said no was because he knew that if he joined Rick he would eventually come to realize that Rick was right and consider everything meaningless. Integrity means strong moral principles, he saying that their friendship is not worth turning into another Rick. Don't forget, this is the Bird Person he abandoned in Croninberg world.
never seen a more awkward rejection lmao
Rick and Birdperson fighting side by side. The feels when the music hits. Birdperson does love him but they don't know how to show it.
“Every decision we’ll ever make is meaningless because somewhere on a parallel earth we already made the opposite choice. We’re nothing less than nothing.” -Owl man
so what does owl man suggest we do then? nothing?
Well, _he_ decided to blow up the multiverse and kill everything.
But please don't do that. I'm using this multiverse. There's still too much stuff I don't own.
@@urmama54 he decided that the only move that would actually matter in a multiverse of infinite possibilities, would be to get rid of them all.
I absolutely cannot imagine a mainstream tv show 10 years ago doing stuff this subversive yet tender. I have so much respect for the writers for recognizing how much clout R&M has as a franchise and using it to constantly innovate and do things no one else (mainstream wise) has done before
This episode really is subtle about Rick's feelings and I really hope they explore it much more, also anyone get that 'living in with one of the versions of our dead daughter?'
The beginning of this scene lowkey seems so badass to me, its probably the music and the fact that this really happened in the past
Damn, 35 year old Rick was basically Han Solo in a way.
"Bird person's big day was at Blood Ridge on Glapflap's third moon against the Gromflomites.”
Now I'm not sure if Rick was referring to the actual battle or the moment he rejected Rick.
I don't think Rick has ever stated so bluntly and truthfully that he loves someone. Even with his own family he is always so hesitant to use the L word. It's a shockingly open-hearted moment even if he is only telling himself (and not even a real self)
The whole Blood Ridge sequence is my favourite in Rick and Morty. The music and everything. So awesome
I loved the remix version of the theme in the background. It was pure great!👏👏
"This is our Vietnam?! BADASS"... "YOUR VALUES ARE WRONG!"
I have a feeling that having Bird Person around was helping Rick let go of his quest for revenge in a more healthy way and Rick wanted Bird Person to go with him because that would have made him feel better about how messed up his life was, but, when Bird Person rejected Rick's offer, Rick was angry and went back into his revenge quest, without a second thought, Bird Person might have been the only reason why Rick would try to settle down, forget about revenge and live a better life.
"None of it matters!"
"...Then why did you help?"
Damn. That line hit hard.
Rick wasn't just offering Brid Person Rick&Morty-esque adventuring. He was about to ask him to help hunt down Rick Prime.
Without even knowing it, Bird Person denied participation in a war that matters to Rick more than anything. Rick's invitation to join that war was the biggest love gesture he was able to offer after his family died.
1:03
I love how Rick saved himself from falling into a "Wile E. Coyote" cliché death
Lmao my exact thought it was perfect
More like Buster Keaton humour, actually.
Ricks humanization arc actually making him give a shit about others when he full well would go to another universe.
The 80's vibe synthwave really makes this scene badass.
this scene was amazing, the music totally drove the vibe home
Ok, this episode feels really deep regarding Rick's character