I started playing Eve 2 days ago and today I was chased by a guy through 8 different systems in low sec (I started by being a industrial / miner) and it was one of the most thrilling experience of gameplay I had in like... a year lmao. And I know it's just the beggining, I already love this game and in a sense, i'm almost looking forward to see how I will lose my ship (I almost did) for the first time
Impressive you managed to survive! I lost my first ship after 10 minute sin low-sec mining kernite, then got a friendly message with a link to a d-scan youtube video :)
Agree with the whole video.. although i think saying playing solo is playing wrong isnt the case.. i only play solo and i absolutely love learning to succeed on my own. I love being the slippery explorer in all parts of volatile space
@@mjashmore1 I'm not entirely sure I agree there. It absolutely can be, for sure, but I think some of the most fun I've had PvPing are roams with my corp, Faction Warfare with a militia fleet, and hunting with Bombers Bar! That said, I've had some amazing solo experiences too. Point I'm getting at is that I don't think one or the other is better. I think they're both different, and naturally, some folks are going to end up preferring one over the other - which is fine! What's your proudest kill?
I’ve had the most fun flying together with a friend I made in game, that said 99% of my time is solo because I can’t dedicate the time that most corps require to be accepted. I may find opportunity to play for a week or month and then not play for several months due to irl demands. Starting the Cruzakh challenge has really reinvigorated my solo play style.
I think it’s similar to life, having no friends sucks, trying to be shallow friends with absolutely everyone is also a bad idea. Find your Eve group and make close friends that you truly enjoy doing things with.
Surviving a highsec gank 1 jump from Jita in my badger, with 2.5bil in my hold and only 15% hull left... gets my blood pumping like no other games and that alone makes EvE fun for me. I wouldn't even be mad if I had lost it since I got lucky and I was careless but it was fun to see those tornados get murdered to death by Concord XD.
“Stop trying to solo EVE Online, this is not a solo game. Even if you’re a multi-boxer it is still better to have real people around you too … You are playing EVE wrong - if you want a solo online experience, EVE Online is not it.” 🤮 If I had an ISK for every time I’ve heard this! I’ve been playing EVE solo since 2013 (with some long breaks of course) and I love this game. There’s been absolutely nothing in EVE that I’ve ever wanted to do or accomplish that I haven’t been able to do because I was playing solo.
Also this: “These are Truths. I don’t want to hear like your opinion that I’m wrong about this. Because categorically - I know it sounds arrogant, I really know this sounds arrogant - but in this case it’s true. These aren’t opinions, right? If you disagree with any of these points, that’s not your opinion man, that’s just you being wrong.” Not arrogant at all! - just a wonderful example of misunderstanding truth, knowledge, facts, and opinions. You may be playing EVE “right,” but your epistemology is a train wreck! 🤣
Nah, I'm just spitting facts that people want to misinterpret or misunderstand ☺️ glad you're having fun, but being solo as a new player is a bad way to try and learn the game, and you're missing out on most of what makes EVE special. That said, if you're having fun, awesome, I'm genuinely glad that you've found your fun. But it's a very niche and difficult way to play that I would never recommend for a new player
@@captainbenzie Jesus, you're like a textbook delusional EVE player. "I am right, if you think I'm wrong, you're just dumb and wrong." It's like nullblock propaganda, but in youtube comments.
@@captainbenzie I totaly agree I would never recommend EvE for solo Players who want to start with a new game. But you can have fun at doing so. So if you ment “These are Truths. I don’t want to hear like your opinion that I’m wrong about this." only on the 3 main truths I would agree. But the solo vs multiplayer part is obviously an opinion and you CAN have a different opinion on that. All Games have ONE main purpose: to have FUN. It doesn't matter how you achieve this. But yes 90% or more of EvE is more fun to do in a group. But if you like the other 10% more and you are a solo Player, why not doing it?
Got eve in a box .and keep coming back. Probly spent 80% of my time solo if you can find a good Corp its grate but that's hard to do plus you can make isk faster solo
As a new playe, I set my sights on a sweet exploration ship. I mined for over a month to get the ISK to afford it, and I had to travel through low-sec to pick it up and fit it. On the eay back to my "home space" I was jumped and the brand new ship destroyed - and it wss the worst thing that ever happened to me. I logged off in rage and despair and couldn't bring myself to log on for days after. But after awhile, the pain subsided and I began thinking sttategically tathrr than emotionally. I realized that the worst had happened and it wasn't - actually - THAT bad. It began to take its place as a learning experience.
you don't need to travel through ls for ship, and if you need, go first with shuttle to see is anyone on the gates, and do that when there are no too many players, like eu time 5 in the morning, and put low modules for fast align time, and first warp 100km of the gate, cloak or do the mwd trick, put and one w.stab... Check zkill for that systems, see who is regular killer, watch local chat, or find wh's to skip ls... And most important, fly ships that you got money for at least 10 of them, and skills for at least lev.4 on most important skills for that ship. And make few alpha players, for scanning, scouting, ded ratting, trading and hauling. Don't go through faction war ls.
I used thousand of Skill points when i started to learn and acquire a porpoise industrial command ship, costing 200 mil, not realizing its true purpose, and lost it first trip out in HIGH sec at an asteroid belt. 200m and countless SP wasted because I LEARNED never fly what you cant afford to.
You are right, it's basic economics, things explode and get more expensive. Also, yeah EVE is a PVP niche full loot hardcore game and should keep being that way. But I think many times when people are complaining about ganking they are not necessarily looking through that point of view or ignoring those very valid reasons that you are right about. (I also work in the games industry but I don't think that should weight on my reasoning being right or wrong, just consider my reasoning and not who I am) We can increase costs pulling many levers on the economy and we can make the game risky in many ways. The problem I see here is what levers and in what ways the game is 'dangerous'. Making transport more costly will make things cost more, sure, BASIC ECONOMICS. But it's also basic economics knowing that the effect of costly/risky transport is going to be freezing people and assets in certain areas making many parts of space more empty because moving ends up not being worth it or too much of a hassle. We can increase costs in other ways so players move and make the universe more populated, making the game better with better content and also making people who like pvp search for more interesting and challenging content instead of camping a gate and "mining salt". I think reducing any complaints about ganking as "waaaahh I am too bad! I like Sonic this game EVE is too hard for me", is making a bad faith simplification of a problem that is not so simple and easy to solve, proof of that is that we have many 10+ year veterans that still play and love EVE and are against ganking too. 'basic economics' is a term used frequently but economics is far from a simple subject and any change on any lever has a chain of effects that comes from it good and bad.
i see a lot of games run into these problems and im not sure why the PVP is so necessary as to punish the other parts of the game that people seem to want to play. i can sum this up pretty easily as i have for past games by just saying... "if they allow people to just avoid pvp too many will" notice this is something that doesnt apply to actual pvp games like mobas, arena, RTS games as everybody is there for pvp. this argument comes into play when some people are there for pvp and need to disallow anybody else to avoid it. the simple fact that if they allowed people to avoid pvp they would, means that more people are on my side of this. edit - they could have a specific area for pvp that way pvp is consensual...but for some reason the people who claim to love pvp are strongly against this. because they dont want pvp they want squash matches to laugh about in discord.
@@suzukisixk7 Exactly. I play mostly in WormHoles and I love EVE for 10+ years now. So this game is for me and I like the dangerous hardcore aspect of it. BUT at the same time I dislike ganking and I think it's bad for the game in general. Completely opting out of PVP might not be for EVE but I think at least some aspects of it could be tunned in for the health of the game.
@@spaceghost8891 ill start accepting arguments like in this video when EVE starts making youtube adds about gate camping.... until then everybody pretending thats a great part of the game is just self justifying
@@suzukisixk7 true, also when people justify it by saying the game should have risk and danger... what is the risk gankers have? Losing some catalysts? Please.
Was that a challenge you issued at the beginning of the video? :) I think you overlooked a truth about EVE Online that for you probably is very uncomfortable. While EVE may be a PvP game, PvE players pay the bills. Just look back to the summer and fall of 2019. During the Chaos Era CCP decided to make it easier for PvP-focused players to hunt by removing local in null sec. Once it was clear local wasn't coming back, so many "carebears" told CCP to go take a hike, unsubbed, and went to play WoW Classic. CCP quickly brought back local within a few weeks. CCP's revenue really took a beating in the second half of 2019. In fact, you have to go back to 2008 to see CCP's yearly revenue below 2019's $51.1 million. And the financial records show it hasn't dipped to within 10% of that since.
quite literally a steam game that is eve offline, plenty of space games that dont have pvp, you people are such 1st dimension thinkers, all of those games are dead because without the pvp pilots there isnt much of an end game to the grind. Stop wanting your cake and eating it to, you either want your actions to matter even if they are non violent or you want to play a game where no one can be violent to you. except you dont want that game because you play eve and your not playing all the versions of space games that you claim to want. Ying and yang, push and pull, I enjoy almost all activities in eve and watching the two sides of the players base dividing themselves as enemies when no one told them to is hilariously brain dead, everyone matters, take one aspect of the playerbase out and the game will cease to function, we turn off pvp for 1 day and the economy would stop moving.
to be clear you are also correct, without the sheep the wolves starve and die, and without the wolves the sheep over populate like drones with no limits until the place they inhabit is dead. Quite literally a universal truth of biological beings even when they are simply projecting there will into a virtual space.
Something that you may have overlooked in saying that “because local in null was removed the bears left and CCP took a hit and had to reverse…”. Is the fact that without local it would make the ability to bot and script significantly more difficult thus not economical to use that method for fully plexing all your accounts.
Back when Warhammer Online was still alive a guy would randomly join our team speak now and then and play up recorded snippets of EVE online players and then leave. We all got the impression that they must have been very special players in that game.
The best description I ever heard of Eve Online is "It's not the kind of game to smack the cookie from your hand. It's the kind of game to knock the cookie from your hand, grind it slowly into the dirt and then laugh at you while staring into your eyes."
Original alpha Cult of Cthulu player from June 03 just came back today and started looking for tutorials. I've been in and out over the years but recently been out for 6 years. Boy it has changed. So much new for me to learn on this latest journey. I've not un docked yet as I'm trying to find where all my stuff is still LOL. Like your content a lot.
The reason I enjoy this game is that Risk that you have because the game is at it's at it's core a pvp game. When go into a wormhole in an exploration ship, knowing my ship has no teeth and no tank, hitting Data and Relic sites and avoiding folks who are trying to kill me is EXCITING!! Look at other MMO's that are safe after EVE and I find myself getting so bored and start nodding off.
Nothing says that someone lacks the confidence in their arguments more than saying "don't argue with me bro, just trust that I'm right!". Especially odd to make that claim and then proceed to make a number of errors talking about economics and game design. A true high sec for those that wanted it, as well as providing a chill space for more PvP orientated players to occasionally just relax in would be fine. The opinions of gankers -- who make a big deal about "nowhere should be risk free" while trying to engage in what is some of the lowest risk gaming in EVE -- can safely be ignored. Far too many sad acts playing EVE who think their version of fun should be the only acceptable method.
You've missed the points profoundly. If you have an argument about farming, do you listen to the farmer, or the guy who lives next to a farm? There's a fine line between arrogance and expertise. I'm not confident enough to be arrogant, but I do know this shit. And you're 100% wrong about Hisec. Tomorrow's video addresses that. Anyone making the argument that "Hisec could be completely safe and it would be fine" does not understand the game at all. We have seen exactly that experiment play out in EVE, and it ABSOLUTELY FUCKED the game totally. Tune in tomorrow and I'll explain fully.
@@captainbenzie No it's you who is taking it too far. The effect on the economy all of high sec has is next to none. The real isk is made in null and everybody knows that. Majority of price hikes and inflation in the game were caused by optimised c5 ratting/abyss/escalation 10 running and just plain botting. Some dudes farming l4 in peace in high sec isn't even close to being a dent on the economy, same as some other dudes in 5 mill fits insta popping these newbies carrying 150 mil to jita ALSO has next to no effect on the economy besides making that new player quit the game and never come back. I don't get how can people still be making these points, like a guy making something like 25 mill an hour in high sec is somehow a threat to the economy and inflation, while another guy making 1.2+ bill per hour or even more solo perfectly save in corp space in null is not, like what. You can have 40 newbies farming eyes closed and they still won't even match this other guy in Null. I'm NoT ArRoGaNt aM RiGHt. If you have to say it, you most certainly are :) You make some fair points, but also some that aren't at all. High sec never had a high influence of eve economy as a whole. Never.
"while trying to engage in what is some of the lowest risk gaming in EVE -- can safely be ignored. " you reside in a single slice of an entire pie and the result is you think this is the the form of pvp people choose, I cant even explain why you cant see beyond that because you literally lack knowledge found in the rest of the pie. So leave your wormy little safe zone, join a corp and ask how do I kill people, then go see how easy and risk free it is kid.
CCP only went plus 2023 by cryptocurrency sale outside of Eve. Right now Eve is not profitable. It's a sinking ship, saved only by pearl abyss. While i don't think Eve should change its identity. It is clear that it struggles immensely to attract new players and retain returning ones. And that's counting in the effects of the ludicrous price hike of Omega. The old dogs of EVE and CCP themself can resist change all they want. A large number of players want change, and there's a huge market out there to appeal to while still retaining the spirit off EVE and its niche. There's a large spectrum, not a binary scale in which EVE can evolve within. Or CCP can remain Impervious to any and all change and in a few years i'll watch the Benzie youtube video about EVEs greatest moments before the server closed down... for good.
Are the changes you want to make going to attract and keep enough players to offset the losses in dedicated players who've spent a lot of money and time that like the game more the way it is? This is the dilemma every MMO faces long-term. Watch Josh Strife Hayes re: how MMO's generally are not a profitable model in the 2020's - Eve is a niche market within a niche market. I love it but it will only ever appeal to thousands, not millions. They can bend the revenue curve by changing pricing, subscription terms etc... It does not require changing the gameplay in radical ways to chase mass appeal.
"Right now Eve is not profitable" - eve online as a standalone product is profitable. CCP itself isn't profitable because they've invested a lot of money into new IP (like the new shooter, new beta test this weekend)
Talking to yourself about EVE while spinning your ship in station is peak EVE gameplay. Sillyness aside, you make some great points here. Especially about the longievity of mass-market titles vs. niche games that lean into their theme v. hard.
I played another pvp-oriented game that suddenly flipped to actively discouraging pvp to keep new players interested. Newer people stayed longer but about half of the established playerbase quit on the spot 😶🌫️ I got into eve shortly after and have been having a great time!
I love gankers trying to kill my abyssal ship only for their coercers to be greeted by my two alts brick tanked 1000 dps suicidal brutixes which promptly suicide gank their entire fleet of ganking coercers. Survive better, gank the ganker 😂😊 Not even gankers are safe!
I was a invested player for about 10 years and CCP made a lot of money off me. One thing CCP needs to be careful about is burning the loyal player. When I quit it was done in a way that I would never be tempted to ever come back.
Holy crap this video is super contentious and preachy. It's like this dude was in the boards and lost an argument on what Eve online is as a game. I mean he is mostly correct but dude if someone plays the game another way this guy is going to pop a vain.
Wow did you misunderstand me. I'm happy for people to play however they want - but that doesn't mean the game was designed for that. People solo EVE, and do well solo. They have a great time being alone in New Eden. The Devs have absolutely stated that the game is designed around group play. That's my point. So if someone is soloing the game and complaining that they're struggling, that's why. Also, if you quit in such a way that you will never be tempted to come back... How "loyal" are you? Point here is that labels like "loyal customer" don't matter. The game stopped being for you, and that's fine. Find your fun, whether it's in EVE or some other game. No point playing something you don't enjoy.
@@captainbenzie I didn't misunderstand as I said you are mostly right. You just got very worked up. I played the game to have fun and fun I had. It was not any kind of loyalty towards CCP. The developers and mods play favorites and do some dirty things most players don't know about. Events can play out so badly that a hardcore player like me that was on top of the Eve world calls it quits. I ended up Biomassing all my characters and gave what was probably was close to $10,000 USD in ISK to my buddy a high ranking member of Imperium AKA (Goonswarm). I can tell you for sure I will never play the game again. And that is probably for the best . But the game is absolutely my kind of game.
I started playing Eve the same year that Chamber of Secrets came out. Within a year of that, when Eve was released, a battleship would be the equivalent of an expensive carrier these days, give or take. My group had trapped an enemy battleship who decided to make his way to a safe spot but didn't log off. He just sat there. This was before probes and being able to warp to people. But we still had dscan and some brains. This was also before they stopped letting you put multiple mwds and abs to ships. I made some safe spots as close to where he was as possible, got a ship that could go ludicris speed, and spent a couple hours flying towards him until he finally appeared on grid. He didn't even fight back. Prolly wasn't near the screen. But I do wonder if he said omg wtf when he got back. I wonder if he still plays. But that was fun and there are hundreds more of those types of moments as time goes on. I still "play" this spreadsheet, though.
Agree so much on the specialized games. I understand developers want to cover as much of a market as possible, but their games just get forgotten as they don't stand out. I would rather have 10 completely different games so i can choose one, instead of 10 clones. Better to be a big fish in a small pond than a small fish in a big pond :)
Talk about adrenaline... having a full Hauler in null-sec and having all the 'correct' modules that allow you to just barely slip through gankers fingers. Popping out a gate... Cloaking up... watching them scramble around trying to decloak you... as you align.... drop cloak... interdiction nullifier and warp core stabilizers running as they try and target you and whoosh you are gone... watching them jump to the next gate .... where you did NOT jump to LOL what a rush.
100% agree. What he is talking about is the equivalent of a person starting to play Age of Empires saying "this should have first person WOW mechanic combat"... or going to WOW and saying "This game needs hardcore survival mechanics" .... etc etc. Play the games that you like playing.... not all games will be what you like... so either dont play them... or go into them with the mindset that you want to try to embrace something new.
EVE is a niche game that should remain PVP-focused but shouldn’t be stagnant. It should always adapt. You used Fortnite as an example. It remained PVP-focused but removed building and to much appreciation by many. Allowing more people to see how great EVE as a game is can only be good. More players add a lot to a pvp-focused game.
The two most amazing things that ever happened to me in Eve were: a) soloing a blaster Hecate and his tackle Condor with my alpha clone Magnate. I had 49 hull hp at the end of the fight. b) The first fleet I ever commanded was an armor timer in a wormhole. I had a Magnate Navy leading 2 Blaster Punishers, a kitey Hookbill, and an Inquisitor. We killed 7 Oracles and 9 Augorers without losing a single ship. The entire fleet cost 80 mil and we killed 970m.
I play Eve sporadically and I play it like a survival Game. Dayz in space. I play solo. How long can I survive. That’s my fun. Someone or something must have triggered you bud. Love the videos btw.
The comments here just remind me of why I left EVE. People with no excitement in their life try and find it in a game. I played it to chill, not to have a panic attack.
Ah, the modern issue of "everyone's opinion counts and is equal". When asking questions about how a car works, do you trust a mechanic or some random guy from next door? Expertise counts. And this is an area in which I have expertise.
@@Megagon10k That one is NOT an opinion, I have to give him that! However from reading comments it DOES sound like he gets into opinions and his description of what a niche game is was absolutely garbage! No game is liked by EVERYONE and NEVER will be!
Great talk. Twenty years ago, I played another "niche" game and I was completely hooked. Over the years, that particular game completely lost it's appeal to me because the developers did just what you described; they tried to make the game appeal to everyone. Eve definitely has the right recipe for success. For years I avoided playing Eve because I did not like the idea of permanent ship loss. Now that I play Eve and have totally fallen in love with it, I understand why permanent ship loss is central to the game mechanics and economy, plus since I spend a good bit of my time mining tritanium producing ore, I'm perfectly fine with players blapping each other's ships day after day. 🤣😂
I remember years ago(not long after player-built stations were added) my corp spent months building and transporting a station to null-sec and setting it up in ZMV-9. We gathered the minerals, built the parts, and scouted it down in a freighter. Within a few months it was traded with the neighbouring alliance we were at war with, behind our corp's back. A while later (after those stations became fully destructable) my corp (me included) were in one of the fleets that blew it up! Even as a very PvE-centric player (in general, not just EVE), I get why EVE is the way it is. The only time it's a problem is when there is a major system change that affects the risk-reward balance; when NPCs stopped stocking shuttles, drakes went from 30mil to 60mil, and suddenly whelping 5 full fleets of them in a single engagement became punishingly expensive. It took a while for the rewards for holding space to match the risks of holding it, but it did happen.
I fully agree with you Benzie , but what i would say is that , this game still has so much more potential and so much it can still be added to it , But i would love the game till my last breath on this earth . Time invested game !
My love for PvP has been the reason I've chosen to only train subcap ships. It provides me a flexible arsenal of inexpensive PvP ships to play with and learn with.
Started EVE a few days ago and I've had a good time completing enforcer missions and hunting pirates solo. Currently browsing corps to find people to play with occasionally, but my solo experience so far has been pretty good!😊
fully agree, eve online will always struggle to grow when "noob" high sec is straight the worst place imaginable for new players to ever play the game in. It just makes no sense that some gankers in a few million isk whatever builds can just alpa one shot kill you as you warp in and the structure isn't even loaded yet, as new player over and over for no other benefit to themselves other than kekw ezpz pirate life yo. I've had several friends who I tried to get into the game just plain quit it because how are they going to learn basics and grow confidence if whenever they save up for their vexor or whatever they just get ganked doing basic high sec escalations / mining or even just l2-l3 missions. I honestly just plain despise people that get some sick pleasure out of one shot-ing new players for genuinely zero benefit. Entire corps exist that do nothing but sit in empty space for hours on end doing nothing but drink on voice and wait for easy prey. Like, I get it, I enjoyed ultima online, i've been in pvp corps and roaming fleets, and solo, but I think there should be a place for people to learn basic ropes, otherwise community will just never grow. It's like if you put kids into some sports like football and then make them play against 18 y olds that have been doing it for the last 10 years, and when they lose those 18 yolds are jumping sending them mail and texts how it was so easy and exciting to them. It'll just never grow and that sucks, eve is an amazing game and the more players play it the more content and actually fun events there are in the universe. It's awesome to have pvp in games, even if when not both parties want to engage into it, making safe hauling or farming pve part of the risk you take. BUT, if a new person is saving for weeks for some basic ship only to then lose it approaching Jita or Dodixie or whatever to sell his new loot than idk, it just sucks imho that it's a thing. Like the game tells him "high sec" is high security zones. As it is by far the most sensible thing for new players to do is joining some large null sec corp and just legging it there naked and starting the game there. Kinda illogical
One of the biggest delusions that a lot of die hard eve players have, as illustrated in this vid, is this idea that having a super safe high sec for new players would kill the game. It wouldn't. Everyone fucking knows it wouldn't. It's just a verbal diehard chunk who cling to this obsession of nowhere being safe.
@@bouncingboredom EVE Echoes abso-fucking-lutely proved it kills the game. You get the majority of players just sitting in Hisec grinding ISK non stop, never needing to replace a ship, continually flooding the game with more ISK and modules etc. It absolutely breaks the game because ISK and those modules all devalue, let alone Hisec ores etc... and if you don't understand this, you simply do not understand the inner mechanism of what makes EVE tick.
If you play eve solo you either know what you do, are new and should be told to Corp up or your new and have ignored the previous one There is no excuse for being bad if information is just seconds away, if you struggle getting information for your own benefit your in the wrong game or have a challenge ahead to overcome, thats the reality
Great video. I find myself thinking these things occasionally, but I’ve had experiences that make me realize I wouldn’t be playing this if it didn’t have this realism. It was only by losing a ship and finding that I could learn how to avoid it that I had fun. It has been years since a game provided me an experience like this and it’s worth having, worth keeping. Thanks for your videos.
Thanks for this video Cap. I lost a brand new cyclone i just bought, along with about a billion isk worth of ships, lost drugs, etc. just fighting in a fw system this week, and was feeling kind of down after i got spearfished and killed by a gang of frigates off the dock with my buddy 300m away helplessly watching as they killed me pretty pitifully. Ive been playing the game a few months, and though ive learned alot i was feeling pretty bad. someone else there in system gave me some similiar advice, and honestly up until that point i had a lot of fun with the other fights, but it sucks when you think you know enough to make a decent fit, and are confident in it just to be blown to hell in 4 seconds and youre back to being broke lol. really its just bittersweet and thats why this video was perfect timing. Thanks for all the content. i know i have to get better if this game is going to remain fun for me
I originally started playing Eve in 2018. I gave it a solid try for maybe 6-8 months. Got bored and gave it up. Came back a year or two later to try again. Made a new character. But this time I got into an active Corp. and I’ve been playing. This is not a solo game. It’s meant to be played with others.
I played EVE literally 10 years ago. My favorite memory is doing a race through low and null sec space with my corpies. We all took Tristans, a planned route, first one back to Hi Sec won a ship. I won, somehow. Everyone else got ganked. I made sure to dodge the interdiction bubbles by bouncing off random moons before warping to the next gate.
I would not mind more instanced content like deadspace but even then when you pop out of the last room, you can still be killed that's part of the game.
I’ve never had a game give me the kind of adrenaline dump and finger jitters that Eve can during PvP. Overcoming that and winning a PvP fight is an epic feeling.
That’s why I love industry. Always hated losing ships, but I love creating them and giving them to people who love to get out there all for a good amount of ISK and a sense of reliability when they need another fitted ship.
It's probably the one of few games closest to real life and world's economy.. everyone getting up in the morning to go to a job/their own business, every time they leave the house, they become a target, if one lose their ship, there's that, gone for good.. so on and so forth.. only the concept of death is what separates the game from real life, probably
100% on all your points, thanks for breaking this down for the non dedicated players that just don't understand. Took me a few years to get used to the fact that loss is indeed necessary, that's not to say it's easy, but learning to cope, and purposely feeding yourself to the wolves to get a true feel of it really helps desensitize yourself to the loss. I good rule of thumb I use when playing eve is, the ship I undock is already destroyed, docking back up safely is just an unexpected bonus. Also never fly what you can't afford to lose, if you spend all your isk on a blinged out ship and get ganged, that's on you, should have flown cheaper, now you have to start way back to catch back up to where you were.
I love this game! I started playing years ago and then I stopped for RL issues. Lately, I find myself wanting to play. While some live to kill, which is great, I love being able to get away or sneak around the opposition as a PI and industrialist. The cat and mouse is a great challenge. If there wasn't a REAL chance of getting blown up, it would barely be worth playing.
Well one thing is for sure eve is the most "valid game".... if you play aoe 4 or sc2 you will face map hackers if you play Rust, Cod, Tarcov, Dark and darker will face wall hackers and aim bot if you play if you think your safe playing wow nope watch pika hell show you many top level games vs players using bots and scripts.... In moderen online games cheating has basically ruined the validity every time you die or losse you wonder and wondering is bad... Eve is good because theres no map hacks wall hacks or aim bots when i die in eve i know its my fault and that is good because i know it was me.
Started EVE 2003/09/09 and never cared much about the pvp, but after moving to my new home in null i do take part a lot more in home defense at least, not so much going out hunting. Will a round Womhole work? :)
If any of you are wondering what kind of gamers enjoy Eve I can tell you myself, I love Eve because it is really the only game on the market that levies consequences for bad decisions. due to the fact that in game currency can literally pay your subscription, In game losses can actually be given a RL monetary value. Don't let that scare you like Benzie just did. I will promise you this. There are a lot more people in Eve who are Lucky and just street wise than there are good PVPers. I suck at PVP but to counter that I have gotten really efficient at being slippery LOL
I will add to my above post that the base in this game are mature and good people. The nicest people I have met in Eve are also the people who destroyed my most expensive ships. If you can fly your pod home with a smile on your face despite losing your Faction fit Stratios because the 3 people who caught you not paying attention were so nice about shitting on your day then you will fit in fine :D
I start Player EVE online yesterday. I saw benzies Videos why he leave Eve Echos and opened my eyes. Eve online is After years of updates so a good Game. I used the ref link :P thank u for your Support for the ppl
For those that don't want to look another video: Clarelam is what we call a highsec island in EE, a high security system (no PvP) that's isolated from the others by 2 low sec jumps, because of this, all the high security missions from the faction spawn inside of it and you can just farm them easily without risk, adding this with the "AI" nanocore = isk for no effort or risk.
Very true. If there's no stakes, there's no point trying. New people leaving EVE is not an issue, as the old EVE saying goes, when someone leaves EVE to play WoW, average IQ in both games rises.
Is eve online worth getting into in 2024? Ive tried to get into it a few times before but the time gated progression trough tech levels is one of the biggest turn offs for me along with having to pay a monthly subscription to be actually able to play the game.
tbh with you, yes, this is the best time to try eve. Not because of the reasons people will tell you... The reason is the new player experience inproved so freaking much over the past few years... You never feel lost, there is always something to do and the tracking of it is crazy... Then and then you can find what tickles your mind, be it industrialism, pve, pvp, exploration... that kind of thing... The only real "gate" that I consider now is the industrial one, but for a good reason: Today you cannot be really competitive nor profitable by trying to create stuff, otherwise the economy would go to sh* :D all other "professions" in game you can kinda grasp, and homefront ops are a good way to start. My goto for new players: 1- do the carreer missions, 2- do the sister of eve epic arc 3- get into a corp to do homefront ops :) after that the game is yours
honest answer, probably not. The only way you would ever "enjoy" it is you instantly join some of the bigger alliances/corps in null, rush into their space, start farming drone escalations and selling them. Imho but it's the only realistic way to somewhat learn eve without getting popped the moment you gather the smallest amount of isk for basic ship progress. There's so many people out there who have been skilling for decade that in this rock/paper/scissors pvp and ganking game you don't really stand a chance for a very extended period of time without some real protection. High sec just is both boring AND very dangerous
Eve is a great game, but it's not really a game designed for casual players. Everything in the game takes time be it gathering resources, progressing skills, or building ships and items. But I will tell you that with the right group of people it's an absolutely awesome experience. Give it a shot. Find a corp see if it clicks with you. If not, try another. Eventually you'll find something you enjoy.
It took me 3 previous attempts where I didn't really get past or used to the UI. The 4th time was around September last year. Spent about 2000 hours playing since. Once you find what you like to do and a group to roll with it's a fantastic game. For me this was a smaller group in low sec that offer a large amount of things to do be it ratting, mining, small and large group PvP, scanning and hacking. Sure it's not the null battles with trillions of isk in losses but those can be a bit overwhelming for someone new. I would definetly say its never to late to start. ❤
bro, i joined last month and played for a month with omega. u need a whole fleet to even move 500M between Jita and a hisec, plus the time sink, isn't a game for a guy that works and has just 2 or 3 hours to play the lack of solo content made me unsub
I have been playing on and off since 2006. I'm not sure how much $$, I've spent on it. I've loved it. The first real ship I lost angered me greatly. So much so that I hired a merc group with rl money to hunt them repeatedly for a month. Ohh that was expensive. Could have bought hundreds of the ship I lost cheaper.
I enjoy EVE Online solo, but then again I also enjoyed getting 99 mining and woodcutting in Old School RuneScape so I'm definitely not the typical case.
When I started playing Eve a few years ago I was given 2 tips. 1: never fly a ship you can't afford to lose. 2: have at least 4-5 times more ISK than the ship you fly is worth. I've found those tips to work great. Losing a ship will still suck but it's not like you can't do your thing at all anymore. For the new players: push though the steep learning curve. You'll learn eventually. Try different ways of earning ISK, pick the ones you like and get going. Having thicker wallet ingame makes Eve more enjoyable experience.
CCP: EVE is a niche game but let's advertise it as mass friendly, let new players buy skill injectors and then leave the game and let those skillpoints that somebody paid for be frozen forever
It's not setting myself up to get infallible, it's the info. I'm stating facts, not opinions. It's not my opinion that the game was designed for group play, that's the development team.
Started EVE late in 2004. Have played/tried hundreds of games since. While other games were fun I always itched to play EVE but didn’t think I had the time. Came back recently after a 11 year break, and cannot figure out why I ever left. “Destruction is necessary”. Purest truth.
When I first joined a nullsec alliance and we went out and got jumped by Carriers and then more people came and it escalated to absolute mayhem was a lot of fun. However, the most astonishing part and the part that has remained in my memory for so long is after the fight, where everyone was - thank you, good fight, lets do it again tomorrow, awesome job team and so on. There was no anger or crying or copmplaining about what was lost, it was pure fun and everyone wanted to do it again. Thats EVE!
Loosing ships gives points to the AIR carrier program. EVE is quiet comfortable nowadays: I remember times we lost skill points by getting podded if used the wrong clone, or loosing skill points by loosing strategic cruisers - times pass by...
based vid! 4th unpopular truth would be that eve players in general aren't as good or as smart as they think of themselves, and there are highsec miners and F1 monkeys who unironically look down on other MMO's while in reality what they do in EVE is not too different to games our grandparents play via facebook
I totally agree with you but, yeah playing since 2005 and I've allways meet some great pilot, pvp or pve, and they teach me how to not lose your ship because it's hard earned isks, even a cruiser back in the days was a big thing, then killboard came in, and corporation didnt want us to lose to much isk, so after all this I fly very carefully and still hurt me when losing a ship. I got more fun since I care less about blowing up but I was used to follow the no lose doctrine and it was something good to learn some good way of playing, but yeah, maybe a bit boring sometimes. After all, everyone play like he want to, and I think that's the more important, you're right, but the pve player has his point of view too and from there he's right too...
I am a PVE player, not a PVPer. Thing is, in EVE, everything is PVP. You may not be hunting, but you are still prey to PVPers. You have to accept that and also understand that the risk is what makes you profitable. Ship loss needs to happen to keep materials etc in demand, the trick is to not be the one losing ships. Ships are ammo. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose, and always have spares for when you inevitably do lose one.
I just love the ships design and all the complicated stuff for it to work. I need to upgrade my PC so I can use Windows 10 optimally and then come back to Eve Online.
It's High Security, not Total Security. We saw this in EVE Echoes where you cannot shoot other players in Hisec. A large community forms where they farm entirely safely. They never have to buy anything, replace anything. They have their ship and they just grind isk like a high score. This floods the game with ISK, with Hisec ores, with modules etc. those ores and modules become saturated and worthless. ISK deflates in value dramatically, which in turn causes PLEX to skyrocket in price, making Omega near impossible to PLEX. You end up making it impossible to Omega without swiping, players leave, and CCP loses money because the PLEX market is what makes the most cash for them. It utterly destroyed Echoes
I have played solo since 2015 I would maybe 2016 and I’m not a fan of PVP but I have to give props to the most exhilarating experience I had in the game. I wanted to do the pirate story that takes you to low sec I think for the missions. So anyway i fit a minamatar destroyer with a cloaking device because I wanted to get to the mission agent undetected. So just as I entered the low sec system I noticed the gate camp and immediately turned in the cloak and aligned to the next gate and I had to navigate around the gate camp that knew I was there but didn’t knew here I was so they began to fly around erratically to bump me but usinga the grid I was able to get around them and past them but all the while you experience to a sensation of excitement and danger from the pilots trying to figure out where I went so they can get the kill mail. Anyway it was exciting and heart is pounding. Just never felt an experience like that in any other game. Long story short I was able to outmaneuver them and get away to when they were no longer on grid and warped to the next gate. It was the most fun I have ever had in any game. Wormhole space is kinda like that because at any moment you could be scanned down while running the sites and that lurking danger that can happen gives a feeling of urgency. Higher sense of danger that can come from anywhere. I absolutely love eve online. But back to the pirate mission. I was able to get to the mission agent and accept the mission completed one mission but died in the very next one. But I didn’t mind it because I outflew some seasoned pvp players and I take pride in it as an accomplishment even though pvp isn’t really my thing. It was a blast.
😂 I'll never forget how I mined a0 null border ore anomalies and got jumped by a Flycatcher and bubbled for the first time! Little did they know that a Miasmos full of millions of ore was sitting at a safe in the system.
I've been following your posts on UA-cam for quite a while now. I am (like many of your other fans, most likely) thrilled by your way of accompanying this unique "niche game" with such enthusiasm, almost autobiographically. Now to the actual point. Yes, I agree with you on all three of your points! The game is and remains a unique gem among MMO games in the context of space simulation. It is a pure PVP game and thrives on a few players willing to invest. I've been playing since 2008, and in my early days, I had a few problems understanding the game in its entirety - I've started to enjoy the game's many nooks and crannies. Despite my resilience in the face of the usual "problems", a few points drive me crazy! Firstly, the killboard-junkie attitude ... I have often experienced how, during various short talks, the self-inflicted bad scoring in this meta-crawler is taken as an opportunity to make fun of players, even though (according to your explanations) it shouldn't matter. On the other hand, many players see this game as a kind of Second Live, especially those who want to play CEO in a smaller corporation. That's one of the biggest problems in the game. Anyway, I just wanted to "vent". Thanks for your great videos-please keep them coming!
Thank you ☺️ and yes, I agree about the Kill boards. I lost the first Mamba to PvE and was heavily mocked for it, despite it being because I had the balls to push an expensive new ship to its limits to see what it could do. Over the years, I've had numerous people use my Zkillboard as a "gotcha", which is just weird. 😂
I do agree to these facts. Started playing in 2020 and had a pause of 2 years. The fact that destruction and all those things to it affects most is necessary for everyone to succeed.Nowadays I do Wh stuff with a fleet of friends.
"These are Truths. I don’t want to hear like your opinion that I’m wrong about this. Because categorically - I know it sounds arrogant, I really know this sounds arrogant - but in this case it’s true. These aren’t opinions, right? If you disagree with any of these points, that’s not your opinion man, that’s just you being wrong" i dont reeeally care about what your going to say, yes it sounds arrogant and honestly it does kinda seem narrow-minded. I dont care if youve talked to other developers, these can be your truths for your eve experience, but that doesnt make it truths about Eve as a whole. And secondly it just works against you just like, argumentatively, as it weighs pretty negatively against your pathos as you devalue your viewers potential opinions. I usually love your videos but like.. man
Opinions and facts are different things. Opinion: You can play solo, and it can be great fun! Fact: The game was designed around the concept of team play. Opinion: I think EVE would be better if more people played it. Fact: Thee Devs have stated that they have a core demographic that they target and they will NOT dilute the experience for that core demographic.
I've had a character training for a long while and I got into PI and I enjoy wormhole stuff but a few times I tried to get involved with communities I was sitting in an empty discord that basically said it was alive lol and I still ended up alone anyways and with a full time job and family I need a group that understands that as well.
There is a bit wierd thing about "I am afraid to loose my ship". If u are in a position that u can buy another one and it would make u money - u did not lose ur ship, u just died. If u flew too expensive fit for u to replace - u didn't even had one. (I hate gatecamps in Sansha)
Boy, I was PISSED losing my first OMEN. I'm out for revenge (which is best served COLD) but I'm taking my time - cool, calm, and collected - I guess that's what your video elaborates upon.
I can easily agree with the three unconfortable truth you talk about. Personally my only problem is the fact that the game request too much of my lifetime to earn enough to buy ships I lost and plex the omega account. It's a kind of second work I don't want and can't do. I'm desperatly searching for a good solution to earn enough but if it simply doesn't exist I think I have to give up with Eve after almost eight years and this make me really sad
Cap'n B, a really good job here so thanks. My guess is that something like my experience is really rare across gaming. Played intensely for about 5 years, waking up in middle of night to check skill queue and all, not that I still didn't, well, suck, at it . . . Then, IRL had the audacity to mess with me and I faded away. And now, over 7 years later, I decided to come back. How often does that happen in gaming? Not rhetorical--you know, I don't. And when I came back, CCP just friggin' restored everything I had spread all over New Eden. I'm very impressed. But I'm also a bit scared--when I played before I was a busy working person, but now, I-socalled-RL, I'm retired and there's no real limit, no reason to ever log out. So, even though I'm embarrassed by how bad I am at the core pvp, the recognition I'll probably never be even adequate, no less elite, I still really wanna get . . . better. I like this niche.
I see EVE as a beach. You build sand castles. Some get smashed by careless frisbeers. Some get stomped by bullies. Some get washed out to sea. But you're still on a beach, and can still build more castles.
I've played EVE since 2005. He is completely correct. This is a niche PVP game. I've lost alot and killed alot. It's just part of the game. And we LOVE it
Niche game = “a game that not everyone is going to like.” Ugh… that’s every game ever! The thing I like about Eve is that it mimics the real world in a lot of ways. Wars are fought over resources and politics. Cargo ships sink at sea. Markets in eve are practically identical to that of the real world. I would wager you could play Eve, and obtain life long skills you can apply in the real world. Hunt or be hunted! I don’t think Eve is dying at all. State your evidence. I came back to the game after ten years and I’m still having a blast. … to be continued.
To clarify, a lot of modern games aren't niche, think of the Call of Duty, Fortnite kind of games. Things like Assassin's Creed etc, designed to appeal to as wide a base as possible. And no, EVE isn't dying. That's just a meme 😊
Without ganking, without unsolicited PvP, without a player driven market, without scamming, this game "would" have died in 2003. Giving players the ability to be "evil" and profit from it makes this game unlike all of the other "friendly" MMOs.
Your big 3 points are 100% correct. I do have some small criticisms but it doesn't detract from the big 3. 1. Eve can be a solo game. I've been an on again off again player since 2009. The vast majority of my time was solo-ish. But as a solo player you are mostly going to be in the "prey" role, not predator. And that's totally fine. Edit: I want to clarify I'm not saying you don't interact with other players as a solo player. But it's very much a You against the world experience. If you enjoy being a small fish in a big pond, then Eve is a great solo game. 2. I would argue some losses are unavoidable. The VAST majority are not, but sometimes you WILL lose a ship even if you play perfectly. That doesn't mean you rage at the game, but I've seen arrogant players who think they have no risk because of their skill lose VERY expensive ships. Off the top of my head, cloaky smartbomb proteus in wspace doesn't really have a counter if you're in an explo frig, especially if they scanned the system before you arrived. Risk assessment and risk to profit analysis is a skill, because you might just get unlucky. If nothing else, you're only human and you'll eventually make a mistake, so plan accordingly! 3. I do think you downplay some of the reason why older players are a bit, well, bitter. It's not because Eve isn't for them, but rather that Eve changed in ways that are contrary to the old guard of certain groups. My big "calling" in Eve was 3 things: Wspace PvE, Ninja Looting/Mission Ganking, FW PvP. 2 of them are doing great. But the fact that Abyssals are instanced, Wardec mechanics have changed to encourage highsec blocs, and a bunch of other small changes over time means that highsec griefing is in a really bad place. I am NOT saying we should remove ganking or anything like that. Rather, I'm saying it's bad for the game that suicide ganking and camping Jita with 60+ wardecs is the only viable highsec PvP left. I'm angry at CCP for making highsec too safe, and nerfing into the ground *many* playstyles which made highsec PvP so fun. It's not all bad. The changes to remote assistance are a great change imho. But a lot of the more subtle or nuanced forms of PvP such as baiting, 1 man corp wardecs, stalking players over the long term, simply aren't a thing anymore. In short, I agree Eve is a PvP game and a very hostile game. I disagree that CCP is doing a great job on that front. Highsec needs another overhaul of crimewatch, wardecs, and Abyssals to encourage more types of highsec PvP. Because Suicide ganking is dreadfully boring. Necessary, to be sure. I don't want it nerfed. But I'd like other options buffed to viability again.
Playing EVE Online while listening to these "talking points" videos is a really interesting way to play lol I agree with everything said including the round hole... I've also had the most fun in the game when the stakes are the highest, exe. going into wormholes with ships worth almost 100mil. I've also had a load of fun as part of a corp. but it's sooo hard finding a good corp anymore.. I enjoy all aspects of the game from the PVE to the PVP I've gotten pretty good at evading other players but never dabbled too much in actually sticking around to finish the fight. In my personal experience with EVE (off and on for 15 years) I've had more luck in PVE than PVP. In my case everyone has to find their niche within a niche game. very good points in here and very well said.
I tried to be a hunter in Pochven, to thin out all the salvaging explorers and got branded as a baddie for destroying them. I got called out for 'not engaging in fair fights' which while sometimes true, is not always the case, as my videos clearly show. Learning to survive is something I had to do in Pochven then I applied those skills to hunting those other salvagers around me. Good stories can be made of these interactions.
I agree even though I've spent the majority of my time playing solo. I first subbed back in 2009. I got into mining and moved to an 06 system bordering low-sec - Teonusude. Didn't really understand what the game was about at that point. I skilled myself into a Retriever mining barge and promptly got ganked. That's when I realised just how dangerous eve was and I loved that. It changed my path as I needed to adapt. I didn't mine again until I was able to fly a hulk with the skills to tank it. Yes I lost some yield, but so what. It's what I had to do to survive. I got myself an alt and began skilling her into an orca with command link skills. I've never lost a barge since. Gankers could have killed me. They only needed to bring a few more ships, but there were so many miners favouring yield over safety they didn't need to. Every attack on me failed. Probably less than 10 attempts over the years as those paying attention would move on to the next target. I love the danger in eve. That I needed to change my gameplay to survive. To be a less attractive target than everyone else. I salute the lawless pirates of eve for causing me genuine anxiety. It adds so much to the experience O7 In return I have provided many kills for them. Although I enjoy combat PvP I'm not too good at it. If we meet in combat you will win! While I agree eve is better played with others, I've been a solo player most of the time. I'm a bit of a low confidence type person that struggles with initial interactions with others. It doesn't help that I don't need interaction in life so I don't always push myself to overcome, but when I have it has been a great experience with some great people. I would highly recommend joining a corp, but it is possible to enjoy eve as a solo player. I have no choice but to run solo atm, but I do hope to fleet up with others again in the future. One last thing. After coming back to eve recently, and being a little rusty and not paying proper attention I lost two prowlers and three pods in one day! Terrible piloting, but happy to add to the economy and my fellow players enjoyment.
total up all the time players spend in eve. is more spent doing pvp, or pve? yeah....its not even close. when determining what the game is or needs, id think what the majority want should factor in.
Ive played the game off and on since 2009 (main character over 100M SP and Mining alt is around 40M) I have killed no one, I have only lost ships from players 3 times. Yes, I'm a Pacifist. I have lived WH, Null sec and mostly HS. I would say just because you could be attacked by someone, I'm not sure if that constitutes as PVP. The classification of PVP I think needs to be discussed on a definition.
Killing is just a means of communicaaaaatshuuuuuunn...(Thank you for using this anniversary edition memorygram! Please deposit 5 billion isk now to continue experiencing.)
I think like you kinda touched on. Gaming companies are getting to big like Path Of Exile is a good example it started off as a small company who was passionate about making an amazing arpg vs larg companies like Activision blizzard who released Diablo 4 and everyone hates it because they trying to make a game for everyone and the throw in greedy cash grabs on top it
Just recently came back to eve, I've never gotten very far in it (mainly because every time I end up starting a new character to re learn how to play lol) but I always enjoy it. I find it funny that the two games I play the most right now are eve online and elite dangerous, two games that are old as hell. Lol
FWIW I have a different take on your "arrogance"... It takes some proper bollox to state "I'm right on this and any different opinion is just flat out wrong" straight out the trap, because you absolutely then need to back up what you're saying inarguably. So, for me, I not only agree with and appreciate the points you made, but also applaud you for having the courage to go for it. Be a different story if you were wrong. But you're clearly not. We are all entitled to our opinions, but facts are not the same thing, and opinions should change based on facts, and not the other way round. Otherwise idiocy reigns. Politicians take note. We're seeing the results of such idiocy playing out in our streets... But I digress. So, fair play to you mate. Thanks! 👍
Thank you. It's unfortunate that we've reached a time online where people think that opinions and facts are equal. It feels awful to say it, and people will naturally get upset, but I felt I kind of had to take a stance...
😊Been playing a month, joined EH corp.. Had soooo much fun found a relic site yesterday that was littered with Mines.. Lost my astero in the blink of an eye 😅 good times :)
EVE's story is actually really deep, it's just that the game is not good at telling it. Someone could probably take the Empyrean Age book and turn it into an HBO special and it would be just as popular as Game of Thrones. Also, players are part of the history of EVE, things that the players have done are literally part of the lore.
EVEs story is fantastic, I've done videos about it, exploring it, and in places expanding it. The game is great at telling it, but it's like the Souls games - subtle. It's not World of Warcraft "You are the hero, strap into the rollercoaster, watch the cut scenes". It's a lived world. Just as my hometowns amazing history isn't happening right now or explained by the locals as you walk through, you have to go looking for it.
I started playing Eve 2 days ago and today I was chased by a guy through 8 different systems in low sec (I started by being a industrial / miner) and it was one of the most thrilling experience of gameplay I had in like... a year lmao. And I know it's just the beggining, I already love this game and in a sense, i'm almost looking forward to see how I will lose my ship (I almost did) for the first time
Impressive you managed to survive! I lost my first ship after 10 minute sin low-sec mining kernite, then got a friendly message with a link to a d-scan youtube video :)
I knew it was a difficult game so I started while following a quick guide. It helped a lot!
Next level ganker actually saying what to not do to die next time🎉@@Aseroidify
hope its fun for you, and its not just a suicide gate kill via somebody playing several accounts. i too love pvp, but thats not pvp
u playing this game the right way, learn then play.
Agree with the whole video.. although i think saying playing solo is playing wrong isnt the case.. i only play solo and i absolutely love learning to succeed on my own. I love being the slippery explorer in all parts of volatile space
A solo kill is so much more satisfying than a kill as part of a large fleet.
To clarify, I should have said "Playing solo when you're new" is a bad idea 😅
@@mjashmore1 I'm not entirely sure I agree there. It absolutely can be, for sure, but I think some of the most fun I've had PvPing are roams with my corp, Faction Warfare with a militia fleet, and hunting with Bombers Bar! That said, I've had some amazing solo experiences too.
Point I'm getting at is that I don't think one or the other is better. I think they're both different, and naturally, some folks are going to end up preferring one over the other - which is fine!
What's your proudest kill?
I’ve had the most fun flying together with a friend I made in game, that said 99% of my time is solo because I can’t dedicate the time that most corps require to be accepted. I may find opportunity to play for a week or month and then not play for several months due to irl demands. Starting the Cruzakh challenge has really reinvigorated my solo play style.
I think it’s similar to life, having no friends sucks, trying to be shallow friends with absolutely everyone is also a bad idea. Find your Eve group and make close friends that you truly enjoy doing things with.
Surviving a highsec gank 1 jump from Jita in my badger, with 2.5bil in my hold and only 15% hull left... gets my blood pumping like no other games and that alone makes EvE fun for me. I wouldn't even be mad if I had lost it since I got lucky and I was careless but it was fun to see those tornados get murdered to death by Concord XD.
This. This is the feeling that makes EVE amazing and unique.
Why were you flying a badger with 2.5bil in it? 😅
@@MetaGuideMedia Because someone has to do it.
Just wait till you're mapping route through j-space and hauling 6 billion isk worth of loot
no dont find your round hole just get a bigger hammer trust me any size peg will fit with a big enough hammer.
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“Stop trying to solo EVE Online, this is not a solo game. Even if you’re a multi-boxer it is still better to have real people around you too … You are playing EVE wrong - if you want a solo online experience, EVE Online is not it.” 🤮
If I had an ISK for every time I’ve heard this! I’ve been playing EVE solo since 2013 (with some long breaks of course) and I love this game. There’s been absolutely nothing in EVE that I’ve ever wanted to do or accomplish that I haven’t been able to do because I was playing solo.
Also this:
“These are Truths. I don’t want to hear like your opinion that I’m wrong about this. Because categorically - I know it sounds arrogant, I really know this sounds arrogant - but in this case it’s true. These aren’t opinions, right? If you disagree with any of these points, that’s not your opinion man, that’s just you being wrong.”
Not arrogant at all! - just a wonderful example of misunderstanding truth, knowledge, facts, and opinions.
You may be playing EVE “right,” but your epistemology is a train wreck! 🤣
Nah, I'm just spitting facts that people want to misinterpret or misunderstand ☺️ glad you're having fun, but being solo as a new player is a bad way to try and learn the game, and you're missing out on most of what makes EVE special.
That said, if you're having fun, awesome, I'm genuinely glad that you've found your fun. But it's a very niche and difficult way to play that I would never recommend for a new player
@@captainbenzie Jesus, you're like a textbook delusional EVE player. "I am right, if you think I'm wrong, you're just dumb and wrong." It's like nullblock propaganda, but in youtube comments.
@@captainbenzie I totaly agree I would never recommend EvE for solo Players who want to start with a new game. But you can have fun at doing so. So if you ment “These are Truths. I don’t want to hear like your opinion that I’m wrong about this." only on the 3 main truths I would agree. But the solo vs multiplayer part is obviously an opinion and you CAN have a different opinion on that. All Games have ONE main purpose: to have FUN. It doesn't matter how you achieve this. But yes 90% or more of EvE is more fun to do in a group. But if you like the other 10% more and you are a solo Player, why not doing it?
Definitaly agree, I have been playing solo since 2010, only now I am thinking about joining a corp
Got eve in a box .and keep coming back. Probly spent 80% of my time solo if you can find a good Corp its grate but that's hard to do plus you can make isk faster solo
As a new playe, I set my sights on a sweet exploration ship. I mined for over a month to get the ISK to afford it, and I had to travel through low-sec to pick it up and fit it. On the eay back to my "home space" I was jumped and the brand new ship destroyed - and it wss the worst thing that ever happened to me.
I logged off in rage and despair and couldn't bring myself to log on for days after.
But after awhile, the pain subsided and I began thinking sttategically tathrr than emotionally. I realized that the worst had happened and it wasn't - actually - THAT bad.
It began to take its place as a learning experience.
Exactly this. It sucks, but once you've experienced it, it becomes part of the experience. That risk is what makes the game worthwhile.
you don't need to travel through ls for ship, and if you need, go first with shuttle to see is anyone on the gates, and do that when there are no too many players, like eu time 5 in the morning, and put low modules for fast align time, and first warp 100km of the gate, cloak or do the mwd trick, put and one w.stab... Check zkill for that systems, see who is regular killer, watch local chat, or find wh's to skip ls... And most important, fly ships that you got money for at least 10 of them, and skills for at least lev.4 on most important skills for that ship. And make few alpha players, for scanning, scouting, ded ratting, trading and hauling. Don't go through faction war ls.
I used thousand of Skill points when i started to learn and acquire a porpoise industrial command ship, costing 200 mil, not realizing its true purpose, and lost it first trip out in HIGH sec at an asteroid belt. 200m and countless SP wasted because I LEARNED never fly what you cant afford to.
@@NNiolet if you learned, then it wasn't wasted 😊
Use filaments....eve this days is very easy compared to what used to be
You are right, it's basic economics, things explode and get more expensive. Also, yeah EVE is a PVP niche full loot hardcore game and should keep being that way.
But I think many times when people are complaining about ganking they are not necessarily looking through that point of view or ignoring those very valid reasons that you are right about. (I also work in the games industry but I don't think that should weight on my reasoning being right or wrong, just consider my reasoning and not who I am)
We can increase costs pulling many levers on the economy and we can make the game risky in many ways.
The problem I see here is what levers and in what ways the game is 'dangerous'.
Making transport more costly will make things cost more, sure, BASIC ECONOMICS. But it's also basic economics knowing that the effect of costly/risky transport is going to be freezing people and assets in certain areas making many parts of space more empty because moving ends up not being worth it or too much of a hassle. We can increase costs in other ways so players move and make the universe more populated, making the game better with better content and also making people who like pvp search for more interesting and challenging content instead of camping a gate and "mining salt".
I think reducing any complaints about ganking as "waaaahh I am too bad! I like Sonic this game EVE is too hard for me", is making a bad faith simplification of a problem that is not so simple and easy to solve, proof of that is that we have many 10+ year veterans that still play and love EVE and are against ganking too.
'basic economics' is a term used frequently but economics is far from a simple subject and any change on any lever has a chain of effects that comes from it good and bad.
i see a lot of games run into these problems and im not sure why the PVP is so necessary as to punish the other parts of the game that people seem to want to play.
i can sum this up pretty easily as i have for past games by just saying... "if they allow people to just avoid pvp too many will"
notice this is something that doesnt apply to actual pvp games like mobas, arena, RTS games as everybody is there for pvp. this argument comes into play when some people are there for pvp and need to disallow anybody else to avoid it.
the simple fact that if they allowed people to avoid pvp they would, means that more people are on my side of this.
edit - they could have a specific area for pvp that way pvp is consensual...but for some reason the people who claim to love pvp are strongly against this. because they dont want pvp they want squash matches to laugh about in discord.
@@suzukisixk7 Exactly. I play mostly in WormHoles and I love EVE for 10+ years now. So this game is for me and I like the dangerous hardcore aspect of it. BUT at the same time I dislike ganking and I think it's bad for the game in general. Completely opting out of PVP might not be for EVE but I think at least some aspects of it could be tunned in for the health of the game.
@@spaceghost8891 wormholes should be hardcore, the gate to sell your loot from that very activity shouldnt be.
@@spaceghost8891 ill start accepting arguments like in this video when EVE starts making youtube adds about gate camping....
until then everybody pretending thats a great part of the game is just self justifying
@@suzukisixk7 true, also when people justify it by saying the game should have risk and danger... what is the risk gankers have? Losing some catalysts? Please.
Was that a challenge you issued at the beginning of the video? :)
I think you overlooked a truth about EVE Online that for you probably is very uncomfortable. While EVE may be a PvP game, PvE players pay the bills. Just look back to the summer and fall of 2019. During the Chaos Era CCP decided to make it easier for PvP-focused players to hunt by removing local in null sec. Once it was clear local wasn't coming back, so many "carebears" told CCP to go take a hike, unsubbed, and went to play WoW Classic. CCP quickly brought back local within a few weeks.
CCP's revenue really took a beating in the second half of 2019. In fact, you have to go back to 2008 to see CCP's yearly revenue below 2019's $51.1 million. And the financial records show it hasn't dipped to within 10% of that since.
quite literally a steam game that is eve offline, plenty of space games that dont have pvp, you people are such 1st dimension thinkers, all of those games are dead because without the pvp pilots there isnt much of an end game to the grind.
Stop wanting your cake and eating it to, you either want your actions to matter even if they are non violent or you want to play a game where no one can be violent to you.
except you dont want that game because you play eve and your not playing all the versions of space games that you claim to want.
Ying and yang, push and pull, I enjoy almost all activities in eve and watching the two sides of the players base dividing themselves as enemies when no one told them to is hilariously brain dead, everyone matters, take one aspect of the playerbase out and the game will cease to function, we turn off pvp for 1 day and the economy would stop moving.
to be clear you are also correct, without the sheep the wolves starve and die, and without the wolves the sheep over populate like drones with no limits until the place they inhabit is dead.
Quite literally a universal truth of biological beings even when they are simply projecting there will into a virtual space.
Something that you may have overlooked in saying that “because local in null was removed the bears left and CCP took a hit and had to reverse…”. Is the fact that without local it would make the ability to bot and script significantly more difficult thus not economical to use that method for fully plexing all your accounts.
Back when Warhammer Online was still alive a guy would randomly join our team speak now and then and play up recorded snippets of EVE online players and then leave.
We all got the impression that they must have been very special players in that game.
There's an old EVE Online saying: "When an EVE player quits to join another game, the average IQ of both games goes up"
The best description I ever heard of Eve Online is "It's not the kind of game to smack the cookie from your hand. It's the kind of game to knock the cookie from your hand, grind it slowly into the dirt and then laugh at you while staring into your eyes."
Accurate 😂
this is the best for sure
"This game was made for a very specific kind of person." That's refreshing to hear for once!
The Devs have outright said it repeatedly
Was ment for 40 year old virgins..
Original alpha Cult of Cthulu player from June 03 just came back today and started looking for tutorials.
I've been in and out over the years but recently been out for 6 years.
Boy it has changed. So much new for me to learn on this latest journey. I've not un docked yet as I'm trying to find where all my stuff is still LOL.
Like your content a lot.
Glad you're enjoying and hope you can find your feet soon!
The reason I enjoy this game is that Risk that you have because the game is at it's at it's core a pvp game. When go into a wormhole in an exploration ship, knowing my ship has no teeth and no tank, hitting Data and Relic sites and avoiding folks who are trying to kill me is EXCITING!! Look at other MMO's that are safe after EVE and I find myself getting so bored and start nodding off.
Exactly this. The thrill of being hunted ♥️
Nothing says that someone lacks the confidence in their arguments more than saying "don't argue with me bro, just trust that I'm right!". Especially odd to make that claim and then proceed to make a number of errors talking about economics and game design. A true high sec for those that wanted it, as well as providing a chill space for more PvP orientated players to occasionally just relax in would be fine. The opinions of gankers -- who make a big deal about "nowhere should be risk free" while trying to engage in what is some of the lowest risk gaming in EVE -- can safely be ignored.
Far too many sad acts playing EVE who think their version of fun should be the only acceptable method.
You've missed the points profoundly. If you have an argument about farming, do you listen to the farmer, or the guy who lives next to a farm?
There's a fine line between arrogance and expertise. I'm not confident enough to be arrogant, but I do know this shit. And you're 100% wrong about Hisec. Tomorrow's video addresses that. Anyone making the argument that "Hisec could be completely safe and it would be fine" does not understand the game at all. We have seen exactly that experiment play out in EVE, and it ABSOLUTELY FUCKED the game totally. Tune in tomorrow and I'll explain fully.
@@captainbenzie No it's you who is taking it too far. The effect on the economy all of high sec has is next to none. The real isk is made in null and everybody knows that. Majority of price hikes and inflation in the game were caused by optimised c5 ratting/abyss/escalation 10 running and just plain botting. Some dudes farming l4 in peace in high sec isn't even close to being a dent on the economy, same as some other dudes in 5 mill fits insta popping these newbies carrying 150 mil to jita ALSO has next to no effect on the economy besides making that new player quit the game and never come back.
I don't get how can people still be making these points, like a guy making something like 25 mill an hour in high sec is somehow a threat to the economy and inflation, while another guy making 1.2+ bill per hour or even more solo perfectly save in corp space in null is not, like what. You can have 40 newbies farming eyes closed and they still won't even match this other guy in Null. I'm NoT ArRoGaNt aM RiGHt. If you have to say it, you most certainly are :) You make some fair points, but also some that aren't at all. High sec never had a high influence of eve economy as a whole. Never.
"while trying to engage in what is some of the lowest risk gaming in EVE -- can safely be ignored. " you reside in a single slice of an entire pie and the result is you think this is the the form of pvp people choose, I cant even explain why you cant see beyond that because you literally lack knowledge found in the rest of the pie.
So leave your wormy little safe zone, join a corp and ask how do I kill people, then go see how easy and risk free it is kid.
*grabs a popcorn*
Hisec gankers are an important part of the game. Just git gud bro.
CCP only went plus 2023 by cryptocurrency sale outside of Eve. Right now Eve is not profitable. It's a sinking ship, saved only by pearl abyss. While i don't think Eve should change its identity. It is clear that it struggles immensely to attract new players and retain returning ones. And that's counting in the effects of the ludicrous price hike of Omega.
The old dogs of EVE and CCP themself can resist change all they want. A large number of players want change, and there's a huge market out there to appeal to while still retaining the spirit off EVE and its niche. There's a large spectrum, not a binary scale in which EVE can evolve within.
Or CCP can remain Impervious to any and all change and in a few years i'll watch the Benzie youtube video about EVEs greatest moments before the server closed down... for good.
Are the changes you want to make going to attract and keep enough players to offset the losses in dedicated players who've spent a lot of money and time that like the game more the way it is?
This is the dilemma every MMO faces long-term. Watch Josh Strife Hayes re: how MMO's generally are not a profitable model in the 2020's - Eve is a niche market within a niche market. I love it but it will only ever appeal to thousands, not millions.
They can bend the revenue curve by changing pricing, subscription terms etc... It does not require changing the gameplay in radical ways to chase mass appeal.
"Right now Eve is not profitable" - eve online as a standalone product is profitable. CCP itself isn't profitable because they've invested a lot of money into new IP (like the new shooter, new beta test this weekend)
you doing realise as well that being profitable also means being taxable and therefore most companies do not aim to be profitable intentionally.
Talking to yourself about EVE while spinning your ship in station is peak EVE gameplay. Sillyness aside, you make some great points here. Especially about the longievity of mass-market titles vs. niche games that lean into their theme v. hard.
Thank you 😊 honestly, I figured it would be easier to focus on my notes if I wasn't trying to rat or PvP 😂
I played another pvp-oriented game that suddenly flipped to actively discouraging pvp to keep new players interested. Newer people stayed longer but about half of the established playerbase quit on the spot 😶🌫️
I got into eve shortly after and have been having a great time!
Exactly what would happen here too. Which game btw?
I love gankers trying to kill my abyssal ship only for their coercers to be greeted by my two alts brick tanked 1000 dps suicidal brutixes which promptly suicide gank their entire fleet of ganking coercers. Survive better, gank the ganker 😂😊 Not even gankers are safe!
Amen to this!!
@@captainbenzie Yep, if they bring Taloses to gank, then Nagas will be their hosts.
HELL YES!!!!!!
I was a invested player for about 10 years and CCP made a lot of money off me. One thing CCP needs to be careful about is burning the loyal player. When I quit it was done in a way that I would never be tempted to ever come back.
Holy crap this video is super contentious and preachy. It's like this dude was in the boards and lost an argument on what Eve online is as a game. I mean he is mostly correct but dude if someone plays the game another way this guy is going to pop a vain.
Wow did you misunderstand me. I'm happy for people to play however they want - but that doesn't mean the game was designed for that.
People solo EVE, and do well solo. They have a great time being alone in New Eden. The Devs have absolutely stated that the game is designed around group play. That's my point.
So if someone is soloing the game and complaining that they're struggling, that's why.
Also, if you quit in such a way that you will never be tempted to come back... How "loyal" are you? Point here is that labels like "loyal customer" don't matter. The game stopped being for you, and that's fine. Find your fun, whether it's in EVE or some other game. No point playing something you don't enjoy.
@@captainbenzie I didn't misunderstand as I said you are mostly right. You just got very worked up. I played the game to have fun and fun I had. It was not any kind of loyalty towards CCP. The developers and mods play favorites and do some dirty things most players don't know about.
Events can play out so badly that a hardcore player like me that was on top of the Eve world calls it quits. I ended up Biomassing all my characters and gave what was probably was close to $10,000 USD in ISK to my buddy a high ranking member of Imperium AKA (Goonswarm).
I can tell you for sure I will never play the game again. And that is probably for the best . But the game is absolutely my kind of game.
I started playing Eve the same year that Chamber of Secrets came out. Within a year of that, when Eve was released, a battleship would be the equivalent of an expensive carrier these days, give or take. My group had trapped an enemy battleship who decided to make his way to a safe spot but didn't log off. He just sat there. This was before probes and being able to warp to people. But we still had dscan and some brains. This was also before they stopped letting you put multiple mwds and abs to ships. I made some safe spots as close to where he was as possible, got a ship that could go ludicris speed, and spent a couple hours flying towards him until he finally appeared on grid. He didn't even fight back. Prolly wasn't near the screen. But I do wonder if he said omg wtf when he got back. I wonder if he still plays. But that was fun and there are hundreds more of those types of moments as time goes on. I still "play" this spreadsheet, though.
Agree so much on the specialized games. I understand developers want to cover as much of a market as possible, but their games just get forgotten as they don't stand out. I would rather have 10 completely different games so i can choose one, instead of 10 clones.
Better to be a big fish in a small pond than a small fish in a big pond :)
Exactly this
Spinning an Ishtar with a short point on it is the best content in Eve.
Talk about adrenaline... having a full Hauler in null-sec and having all the 'correct' modules that allow you to just barely slip through gankers fingers.
Popping out a gate... Cloaking up... watching them scramble around trying to decloak you... as you align.... drop cloak... interdiction nullifier and warp core stabilizers running as they try and target you and whoosh you are gone... watching them jump to the next gate .... where you did NOT jump to LOL
what a rush.
Amen to this!!
100% agree.
What he is talking about is the equivalent of a person starting to play Age of Empires saying "this should have first person WOW mechanic combat"... or going to WOW and saying "This game needs hardcore survival mechanics" .... etc etc.
Play the games that you like playing.... not all games will be what you like... so either dont play them... or go into them with the mindset that you want to try to embrace something new.
Exactly this, thank you!!
EVE is a niche game that should remain PVP-focused but shouldn’t be stagnant. It should always adapt. You used Fortnite as an example. It remained PVP-focused but removed building and to much appreciation by many. Allowing more people to see how great EVE as a game is can only be good. More players add a lot to a pvp-focused game.
Oh absolutely should not stagnate, but it must remain within the tight confines of what makes the game unique
The two most amazing things that ever happened to me in Eve were:
a) soloing a blaster Hecate and his tackle Condor with my alpha clone Magnate. I had 49 hull hp at the end of the fight.
b) The first fleet I ever commanded was an armor timer in a wormhole. I had a Magnate Navy leading 2 Blaster Punishers, a kitey Hookbill, and an Inquisitor. We killed 7 Oracles and 9 Augorers without losing a single ship. The entire fleet cost 80 mil and we killed 970m.
That's amazing 😂
I play Eve sporadically and I play it like a survival Game. Dayz in space. I play solo. How long can I survive. That’s my fun.
Someone or something must have triggered you bud.
Love the videos btw.
The last video of his I watched(I think it was the one where he's complaining about multi-boxing) felt a lot like this too.
The comments here just remind me of why I left EVE. People with no excitement in their life try and find it in a game. I played it to chill, not to have a panic attack.
If you disagree with my opinion it's fact and your wrong even if you disagree... let's get started
Ah, the modern issue of "everyone's opinion counts and is equal".
When asking questions about how a car works, do you trust a mechanic or some random guy from next door? Expertise counts. And this is an area in which I have expertise.
@captainbenzie you are spouting OPINION, as a software engineer and game designer I believe I am capable of speaking as the expert on this topic.
@@captainbenzie I didn't invalidate your opinion, I only stated it's an opinion :-)
@@captainbenzie for what it's worth I agree with the opinion that Eve is currently a niche game
@@Megagon10k That one is NOT an opinion, I have to give him that! However from reading comments it DOES sound like he gets into opinions and his description of what a niche game is was absolutely garbage! No game is liked by EVERYONE and NEVER will be!
Great talk. Twenty years ago, I played another "niche" game and I was completely hooked. Over the years, that particular game completely lost it's appeal to me because the developers did just what you described; they tried to make the game appeal to everyone. Eve definitely has the right recipe for success. For years I avoided playing Eve because I did not like the idea of permanent ship loss. Now that I play Eve and have totally fallen in love with it, I understand why permanent ship loss is central to the game mechanics and economy, plus since I spend a good bit of my time mining tritanium producing ore, I'm perfectly fine with players blapping each other's ships day after day. 🤣😂
I remember years ago(not long after player-built stations were added) my corp spent months building and transporting a station to null-sec and setting it up in ZMV-9. We gathered the minerals, built the parts, and scouted it down in a freighter. Within a few months it was traded with the neighbouring alliance we were at war with, behind our corp's back.
A while later (after those stations became fully destructable) my corp (me included) were in one of the fleets that blew it up!
Even as a very PvE-centric player (in general, not just EVE), I get why EVE is the way it is. The only time it's a problem is when there is a major system change that affects the risk-reward balance; when NPCs stopped stocking shuttles, drakes went from 30mil to 60mil, and suddenly whelping 5 full fleets of them in a single engagement became punishingly expensive. It took a while for the rewards for holding space to match the risks of holding it, but it did happen.
I fully agree with you Benzie , but what i would say is that , this game still has so much more potential and so much it can still be added to it , But i would love the game till my last breath on this earth . Time invested game !
Oh yeah, definitely loads that can be added but within that niche design goal
"Stop watching Pornhub and going AFK in Nullsec" i felt that lol
😬
My love for PvP has been the reason I've chosen to only train subcap ships. It provides me a flexible arsenal of inexpensive PvP ships to play with and learn with.
Exactly this! I also have no use for caps in anything else
Started EVE a few days ago and I've had a good time completing enforcer missions and hunting pirates solo.
Currently browsing corps to find people to play with occasionally, but my solo experience so far has been pretty good!😊
Glad you're enjoying! Do feel free to check out Catskull, as we may be a group you'd enjoy!
To finding our round hole! 😥 🍻....Also, only Sith deal in absolutes...Great video as always!
fully agree, eve online will always struggle to grow when "noob" high sec is straight the worst place imaginable for new players to ever play the game in.
It just makes no sense that some gankers in a few million isk whatever builds can just alpa one shot kill you as you warp in and the structure isn't even loaded yet, as new player over and over for no other benefit to themselves other than kekw ezpz pirate life yo. I've had several friends who I tried to get into the game just plain quit it because how are they going to learn basics and grow confidence if whenever they save up for their vexor or whatever they just get ganked doing basic high sec escalations / mining or even just l2-l3 missions. I honestly just plain despise people that get some sick pleasure out of one shot-ing new players for genuinely zero benefit. Entire corps exist that do nothing but sit in empty space for hours on end doing nothing but drink on voice and wait for easy prey.
Like, I get it, I enjoyed ultima online, i've been in pvp corps and roaming fleets, and solo, but I think there should be a place for people to learn basic ropes, otherwise community will just never grow. It's like if you put kids into some sports like football and then make them play against 18 y olds that have been doing it for the last 10 years, and when they lose those 18 yolds are jumping sending them mail and texts how it was so easy and exciting to them. It'll just never grow and that sucks, eve is an amazing game and the more players play it the more content and actually fun events there are in the universe.
It's awesome to have pvp in games, even if when not both parties want to engage into it, making safe hauling or farming pve part of the risk you take. BUT, if a new person is saving for weeks for some basic ship only to then lose it approaching Jita or Dodixie or whatever to sell his new loot than idk, it just sucks imho that it's a thing. Like the game tells him "high sec" is high security zones.
As it is by far the most sensible thing for new players to do is joining some large null sec corp and just legging it there naked and starting the game there. Kinda illogical
They said all this at Fanfest too. Best thing to do is reach out and corp up asap.
Just don't be bad. Eve is easy game.
One of the biggest delusions that a lot of die hard eve players have, as illustrated in this vid, is this idea that having a super safe high sec for new players would kill the game. It wouldn't. Everyone fucking knows it wouldn't. It's just a verbal diehard chunk who cling to this obsession of nowhere being safe.
@@bouncingboredom EVE Echoes abso-fucking-lutely proved it kills the game. You get the majority of players just sitting in Hisec grinding ISK non stop, never needing to replace a ship, continually flooding the game with more ISK and modules etc. It absolutely breaks the game because ISK and those modules all devalue, let alone Hisec ores etc... and if you don't understand this, you simply do not understand the inner mechanism of what makes EVE tick.
If you play eve solo you either know what you do, are new and should be told to Corp up or your new and have ignored the previous one
There is no excuse for being bad if information is just seconds away, if you struggle getting information for your own benefit your in the wrong game or have a challenge ahead to overcome, thats the reality
Great video. I find myself thinking these things occasionally, but I’ve had experiences that make me realize I wouldn’t be playing this if it didn’t have this realism. It was only by losing a ship and finding that I could learn how to avoid it that I had fun. It has been years since a game provided me an experience like this and it’s worth having, worth keeping. Thanks for your videos.
Thanks for this video Cap. I lost a brand new cyclone i just bought, along with about a billion isk worth of ships, lost drugs, etc. just fighting in a fw system this week, and was feeling kind of down after i got spearfished and killed by a gang of frigates off the dock with my buddy 300m away helplessly watching as they killed me pretty pitifully. Ive been playing the game a few months, and though ive learned alot i was feeling pretty bad. someone else there in system gave me some similiar advice, and honestly up until that point i had a lot of fun with the other fights, but it sucks when you think you know enough to make a decent fit, and are confident in it just to be blown to hell in 4 seconds and youre back to being broke lol. really its just bittersweet and thats why this video was perfect timing. Thanks for all the content. i know i have to get better if this game is going to remain fun for me
That does suck, and I've been there myself 😅 that said, I agree, accept that it happens, and try again 😉
@@captainbenzie I can relate. I was knocked out after a couple month's of playing as well - went away for 1 entire year, and is now back :-)
Greeting from a South African neighbour! Used to watch your Echoes videos a few years back, loving your Eve Online vids man
Glad you like them!
I originally started playing Eve in 2018. I gave it a solid try for maybe 6-8 months. Got bored and gave it up. Came back a year or two later to try again. Made a new character. But this time I got into an active Corp. and I’ve been playing. This is not a solo game. It’s meant to be played with others.
Exactly. It CAN be soloed, but that's an advanced play style for folks who already have a firm understanding of the game
I played EVE literally 10 years ago. My favorite memory is doing a race through low and null sec space with my corpies. We all took Tristans, a planned route, first one back to Hi Sec won a ship. I won, somehow. Everyone else got ganked. I made sure to dodge the interdiction bubbles by bouncing off random moons before warping to the next gate.
I would not mind more instanced content like deadspace but even then when you pop out of the last room, you can still be killed that's part of the game.
Exactly, and high risk too
I’ve never had a game give me the kind of adrenaline dump and finger jitters that Eve can during PvP. Overcoming that and winning a PvP fight is an epic feeling.
Exactly this, and that comes 100% from the permanence of loss
That’s why I love industry. Always hated losing ships, but I love creating them and giving them to people who love to get out there all for a good amount of ISK and a sense of reliability when they need another fitted ship.
Exactly. Losing your own ships can suck, so the trick is making sure you don't lose yours - not making the game safer!
It's probably the one of few games closest to real life and world's economy.. everyone getting up in the morning to go to a job/their own business, every time they leave the house, they become a target, if one lose their ship, there's that, gone for good.. so on and so forth.. only the concept of death is what separates the game from real life, probably
100% on all your points, thanks for breaking this down for the non dedicated players that just don't understand.
Took me a few years to get used to the fact that loss is indeed necessary, that's not to say it's easy, but learning to cope, and purposely feeding yourself to the wolves to get a true feel of it really helps desensitize yourself to the loss.
I good rule of thumb I use when playing eve is, the ship I undock is already destroyed, docking back up safely is just an unexpected bonus. Also never fly what you can't afford to lose, if you spend all your isk on a blinged out ship and get ganged, that's on you, should have flown cheaper, now you have to start way back to catch back up to where you were.
I love this game! I started playing years ago and then I stopped for RL issues. Lately, I find myself wanting to play. While some live to kill, which is great, I love being able to get away or sneak around the opposition as a PI and industrialist. The cat and mouse is a great challenge. If there wasn't a REAL chance of getting blown up, it would barely be worth playing.
Exactly, yet there are still many who want that safety 😅
Well one thing is for sure eve is the most "valid game".... if you play aoe 4 or sc2 you will face map hackers if you play Rust, Cod, Tarcov, Dark and darker will face wall hackers and aim bot if you play if you think your safe playing wow nope watch pika hell show you many top level games vs players using bots and scripts.... In moderen online games cheating has basically ruined the validity every time you die or losse you wonder and wondering is bad... Eve is good because theres no map hacks wall hacks or aim bots when i die in eve i know its my fault and that is good because i know it was me.
I agree absolutely
Started EVE 2003/09/09 and never cared much about the pvp, but after moving to my new home in null i do take part a lot more in home defense at least, not so much going out hunting.
Will a round Womhole work? :)
If any of you are wondering what kind of gamers enjoy Eve I can tell you myself, I love Eve because it is really the only game on the market that levies consequences for bad decisions. due to the fact that in game currency can literally pay your subscription, In game losses can actually be given a RL monetary value. Don't let that scare you like Benzie just did. I will promise you this. There are a lot more people in Eve who are Lucky and just street wise than there are good PVPers. I suck at PVP but to counter that I have gotten really efficient at being slippery LOL
I will add to my above post that the base in this game are mature and good people. The nicest people I have met in Eve are also the people who destroyed my most expensive ships. If you can fly your pod home with a smile on your face despite losing your Faction fit Stratios because the 3 people who caught you not paying attention were so nice about shitting on your day then you will fit in fine :D
Absolutely agree with all of this
Started almost a month ago and had my first pvp today while ratting in null sec lost my ship. This video made that loss a lot easier to swallow.
Well done! The first is always the worst and it'll get easier!
I start Player EVE online yesterday. I saw benzies Videos why he leave Eve Echos and opened my eyes. Eve online is After years of updates so a good Game. I used the ref link :P thank u for your Support for the ppl
Well said! And welcome home!
For those that don't want to look another video: Clarelam is what we call a highsec island in EE, a high security system (no PvP) that's isolated from the others by 2 low sec jumps, because of this, all the high security missions from the faction spawn inside of it and you can just farm them easily without risk, adding this with the "AI" nanocore = isk for no effort or risk.
Very true. If there's no stakes, there's no point trying.
New people leaving EVE is not an issue, as the old EVE saying goes, when someone leaves EVE to play WoW, average IQ in both games rises.
I do love that saying.
Is eve online worth getting into in 2024? Ive tried to get into it a few times before but the time gated progression trough tech levels is one of the biggest turn offs for me along with having to pay a monthly subscription to be actually able to play the game.
tbh with you, yes, this is the best time to try eve. Not because of the reasons people will tell you... The reason is the new player experience inproved so freaking much over the past few years... You never feel lost, there is always something to do and the tracking of it is crazy... Then and then you can find what tickles your mind, be it industrialism, pve, pvp, exploration... that kind of thing... The only real "gate" that I consider now is the industrial one, but for a good reason: Today you cannot be really competitive nor profitable by trying to create stuff, otherwise the economy would go to sh* :D all other "professions" in game you can kinda grasp, and homefront ops are a good way to start. My goto for new players: 1- do the carreer missions, 2- do the sister of eve epic arc 3- get into a corp to do homefront ops :) after that the game is yours
honest answer, probably not. The only way you would ever "enjoy" it is you instantly join some of the bigger alliances/corps in null, rush into their space, start farming drone escalations and selling them. Imho but it's the only realistic way to somewhat learn eve without getting popped the moment you gather the smallest amount of isk for basic ship progress. There's so many people out there who have been skilling for decade that in this rock/paper/scissors pvp and ganking game you don't really stand a chance for a very extended period of time without some real protection. High sec just is both boring AND very dangerous
Eve is a great game, but it's not really a game designed for casual players. Everything in the game takes time be it gathering resources, progressing skills, or building ships and items. But I will tell you that with the right group of people it's an absolutely awesome experience. Give it a shot. Find a corp see if it clicks with you. If not, try another. Eventually you'll find something you enjoy.
It took me 3 previous attempts where I didn't really get past or used to the UI. The 4th time was around September last year. Spent about 2000 hours playing since. Once you find what you like to do and a group to roll with it's a fantastic game. For me this was a smaller group in low sec that offer a large amount of things to do be it ratting, mining, small and large group PvP, scanning and hacking. Sure it's not the null battles with trillions of isk in losses but those can be a bit overwhelming for someone new.
I would definetly say its never to late to start. ❤
bro, i joined last month and played for a month with omega.
u need a whole fleet to even move 500M between Jita and a hisec, plus the time sink, isn't a game for a guy that works and has just 2 or 3 hours to play
the lack of solo content made me unsub
I have been playing on and off since 2006. I'm not sure how much $$, I've spent on it. I've loved it. The first real ship I lost angered me greatly. So much so that I hired a merc group with rl money to hunt them repeatedly for a month. Ohh that was expensive. Could have bought hundreds of the ship I lost cheaper.
Oof 😂
I enjoy EVE Online solo, but then again I also enjoyed getting 99 mining and woodcutting in Old School RuneScape so I'm definitely not the typical case.
Lmao wow 😂
When I started playing Eve a few years ago I was given 2 tips. 1: never fly a ship you can't afford to lose. 2: have at least 4-5 times more ISK than the ship you fly is worth.
I've found those tips to work great. Losing a ship will still suck but it's not like you can't do your thing at all anymore.
For the new players: push though the steep learning curve. You'll learn eventually. Try different ways of earning ISK, pick the ones you like and get going. Having thicker wallet ingame makes Eve more enjoyable experience.
Eve Online is very polarizing for sure. You either love it or hate it.
Exactly. That's by design.
CCP: EVE is a niche game but let's advertise it as mass friendly, let new players buy skill injectors and then leave the game and let those skillpoints that somebody paid for be frozen forever
I agree but setting yourself up to be infallible on the topic to begin with doesn’t help support your arguments.
It's not setting myself up to get infallible, it's the info. I'm stating facts, not opinions. It's not my opinion that the game was designed for group play, that's the development team.
Started EVE late in 2004. Have played/tried hundreds of games since. While other games were fun I always itched to play EVE but didn’t think I had the time.
Came back recently after a 11 year break, and cannot figure out why I ever left.
“Destruction is necessary”.
Purest truth.
When I first joined a nullsec alliance and we went out and got jumped by Carriers and then more people came and it escalated to absolute mayhem was a lot of fun. However, the most astonishing part and the part that has remained in my memory for so long is after the fight, where everyone was - thank you, good fight, lets do it again tomorrow, awesome job team and so on. There was no anger or crying or copmplaining about what was lost, it was pure fun and everyone wanted to do it again. Thats EVE!
Loosing ships gives points to the AIR carrier program. EVE is quiet comfortable nowadays: I remember times we lost skill points by getting podded if used the wrong clone, or loosing skill points by loosing strategic cruisers - times pass by...
Agreed with all points... that's why I don't spend money in this game lol...
Isn't it wonderful that you can play a game this awesome for free?
based vid! 4th unpopular truth would be that eve players in general aren't as good or as smart as they think of themselves, and there are highsec miners and F1 monkeys who unironically look down on other MMO's while in reality what they do in EVE is not too different to games our grandparents play via facebook
Oof, truth 😅
I totally agree with you but, yeah playing since 2005 and I've allways meet some great pilot, pvp or pve, and they teach me how to not lose your ship because it's hard earned isks, even a cruiser back in the days was a big thing, then killboard came in, and corporation didnt want us to lose to much isk, so after all this I fly very carefully and still hurt me when losing a ship. I got more fun since I care less about blowing up but I was used to follow the no lose doctrine and it was something good to learn some good way of playing, but yeah, maybe a bit boring sometimes. After all, everyone play like he want to, and I think that's the more important, you're right, but the pve player has his point of view too and from there he's right too...
I am a PVE player, not a PVPer. Thing is, in EVE, everything is PVP. You may not be hunting, but you are still prey to PVPers. You have to accept that and also understand that the risk is what makes you profitable. Ship loss needs to happen to keep materials etc in demand, the trick is to not be the one losing ships.
Ships are ammo. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose, and always have spares for when you inevitably do lose one.
I just love the ships design and all the complicated stuff for it to work. I need to upgrade my PC so I can use Windows 10 optimally and then come back to Eve Online.
I think its why i am liking the game so much, that its doing its thing, and no apology given
Exactly this!
i didnt see the other vids and i dont see a reason to call it high sec if its not and why would it ruin the game?
It's High Security, not Total Security.
We saw this in EVE Echoes where you cannot shoot other players in Hisec. A large community forms where they farm entirely safely. They never have to buy anything, replace anything. They have their ship and they just grind isk like a high score.
This floods the game with ISK, with Hisec ores, with modules etc. those ores and modules become saturated and worthless. ISK deflates in value dramatically, which in turn causes PLEX to skyrocket in price, making Omega near impossible to PLEX.
You end up making it impossible to Omega without swiping, players leave, and CCP loses money because the PLEX market is what makes the most cash for them.
It utterly destroyed Echoes
@@captainbenzie ok, thx for your explaination
I have played solo since 2015 I would maybe 2016 and I’m not a fan of PVP but I have to give props to the most exhilarating experience I had in the game. I wanted to do the pirate story that takes you to low sec I think for the missions. So anyway i fit a minamatar destroyer with a cloaking device because I wanted to get to the mission agent undetected. So just as I entered the low sec system I noticed the gate camp and immediately turned in the cloak and aligned to the next gate and I had to navigate around the gate camp that knew I was there but didn’t knew here I was so they began to fly around erratically to bump me but usinga the grid I was able to get around them and past them but all the while you experience to a sensation of excitement and danger from the pilots trying to figure out where I went so they can get the kill mail. Anyway it was exciting and heart is pounding. Just never felt an experience like that in any other game. Long story short I was able to outmaneuver them and get away to when they were no longer on grid and warped to the next gate. It was the most fun I have ever had in any game. Wormhole space is kinda like that because at any moment you could be scanned down while running the sites and that lurking danger that can happen gives a feeling of urgency. Higher sense of danger that can come from anywhere. I absolutely love eve online. But back to the pirate mission. I was able to get to the mission agent and accept the mission completed one mission but died in the very next one. But I didn’t mind it because I outflew some seasoned pvp players and I take pride in it as an accomplishment even though pvp isn’t really my thing. It was a blast.
This is exactly the point with EVE, that consequence of real loss makes these encounters all the more meaningful and pulse pounding! Well done!
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I'll never forget how I mined a0 null border ore anomalies and got jumped by a Flycatcher and bubbled for the first time! Little did they know that a Miasmos full of millions of ore was sitting at a safe in the system.
Nice story, please provide more details
I've been following your posts on UA-cam for quite a while now. I am (like many of your other fans, most likely) thrilled by your way of accompanying this unique "niche game" with such enthusiasm, almost autobiographically. Now to the actual point. Yes, I agree with you on all three of your points! The game is and remains a unique gem among MMO games in the context of space simulation. It is a pure PVP game and thrives on a few players willing to invest. I've been playing since 2008, and in my early days, I had a few problems understanding the game in its entirety - I've started to enjoy the game's many nooks and crannies. Despite my resilience in the face of the usual "problems", a few points drive me crazy! Firstly, the killboard-junkie attitude ... I have often experienced how, during various short talks, the self-inflicted bad scoring in this meta-crawler is taken as an opportunity to make fun of players, even though (according to your explanations) it shouldn't matter. On the other hand, many players see this game as a kind of Second Live, especially those who want to play CEO in a smaller corporation. That's one of the biggest problems in the game. Anyway, I just wanted to "vent". Thanks for your great videos-please keep them coming!
Thank you ☺️ and yes, I agree about the Kill boards. I lost the first Mamba to PvE and was heavily mocked for it, despite it being because I had the balls to push an expensive new ship to its limits to see what it could do. Over the years, I've had numerous people use my Zkillboard as a "gotcha", which is just weird. 😂
I do agree to these facts. Started playing in 2020 and had a pause of 2 years. The fact that destruction and all those things to it affects most is necessary for everyone to succeed.Nowadays I do Wh stuff with a fleet of friends.
"These are Truths. I don’t want to hear like your opinion that I’m wrong about this. Because categorically - I know it sounds arrogant, I really know this sounds arrogant - but in this case it’s true. These aren’t opinions, right? If you disagree with any of these points, that’s not your opinion man, that’s just you being wrong"
i dont reeeally care about what your going to say, yes it sounds arrogant and honestly it does kinda seem narrow-minded. I dont care if youve talked to other developers, these can be your truths for your eve experience, but that doesnt make it truths about Eve as a whole.
And secondly it just works against you just like, argumentatively, as it weighs pretty negatively against your pathos as you devalue your viewers potential opinions. I usually love your videos but like.. man
Opinions and facts are different things.
Opinion: You can play solo, and it can be great fun!
Fact: The game was designed around the concept of team play.
Opinion: I think EVE would be better if more people played it.
Fact: Thee Devs have stated that they have a core demographic that they target and they will NOT dilute the experience for that core demographic.
It's the truth when dev said that, simple as that
So true.. but i still hate when i lost my Gilas....
btw.. what is the most popular ship in your opinion?
!!! Great Videos !!!
Ishtar, as far as I can tell.
I've had a character training for a long while and I got into PI and I enjoy wormhole stuff but a few times I tried to get involved with communities I was sitting in an empty discord that basically said it was alive lol and I still ended up alone anyways and with a full time job and family I need a group that understands that as well.
Try Catskull 😉
There is a bit wierd thing about "I am afraid to loose my ship". If u are in a position that u can buy another one and it would make u money - u did not lose ur ship, u just died. If u flew too expensive fit for u to replace - u didn't even had one.
(I hate gatecamps in Sansha)
Boy, I was PISSED losing my first OMEN. I'm out for revenge (which is best served COLD) but I'm taking my time - cool, calm, and collected - I guess that's what your video elaborates upon.
Exactly!
I can easily agree with the three unconfortable truth you talk about. Personally my only problem is the fact that the game request too much of my lifetime to earn enough to buy ships I lost and plex the omega account. It's a kind of second work I don't want and can't do. I'm desperatly searching for a good solution to earn enough but if it simply doesn't exist I think I have to give up with Eve after almost eight years and this make me really sad
This comes with time. Nowadays, I'm playing a few hours here and there and still earning my ship costs within an hour.
@@captainbenzie is it possible to know how?
@@alessandrocrea3737 for me, through C3 ratting or Abyssal Deadspaces.
Cap'n B, a really good job here so thanks. My guess is that something like my experience is really rare across gaming. Played intensely for about 5 years, waking up in middle of night to check skill queue and all, not that I still didn't, well, suck, at it . . . Then, IRL had the audacity to mess with me and I faded away. And now, over 7 years later, I decided to come back. How often does that happen in gaming? Not rhetorical--you know, I don't. And when I came back, CCP just friggin' restored everything I had spread all over New Eden. I'm very impressed. But I'm also a bit scared--when I played before I was a busy working person, but now, I-socalled-RL, I'm retired and there's no real limit, no reason to ever log out. So, even though I'm embarrassed by how bad I am at the core pvp, the recognition I'll probably never be even adequate, no less elite, I still really wanna get . . . better. I like this niche.
I see EVE as a beach. You build sand castles. Some get smashed by careless frisbeers. Some get stomped by bullies. Some get washed out to sea.
But you're still on a beach, and can still build more castles.
Great analogy!
I've played EVE since 2005. He is completely correct. This is a niche PVP game. I've lost alot and killed alot. It's just part of the game. And we LOVE it
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Niche game = “a game that not everyone is going to like.” Ugh… that’s every game ever!
The thing I like about Eve is that it mimics the real world in a lot of ways. Wars are fought over resources and politics. Cargo ships sink at sea. Markets in eve are practically identical to that of the real world. I would wager you could play Eve, and obtain life long skills you can apply in the real world. Hunt or be hunted!
I don’t think Eve is dying at all. State your evidence. I came back to the game after ten years and I’m still having a blast.
… to be continued.
To clarify, a lot of modern games aren't niche, think of the Call of Duty, Fortnite kind of games. Things like Assassin's Creed etc, designed to appeal to as wide a base as possible.
And no, EVE isn't dying. That's just a meme 😊
Without ganking, without unsolicited PvP, without a player driven market, without scamming, this game "would" have died in 2003. Giving players the ability to be "evil" and profit from it makes this game unlike all of the other "friendly" MMOs.
Your big 3 points are 100% correct. I do have some small criticisms but it doesn't detract from the big 3.
1. Eve can be a solo game. I've been an on again off again player since 2009. The vast majority of my time was solo-ish. But as a solo player you are mostly going to be in the "prey" role, not predator. And that's totally fine.
Edit: I want to clarify I'm not saying you don't interact with other players as a solo player. But it's very much a You against the world experience. If you enjoy being a small fish in a big pond, then Eve is a great solo game.
2. I would argue some losses are unavoidable. The VAST majority are not, but sometimes you WILL lose a ship even if you play perfectly. That doesn't mean you rage at the game, but I've seen arrogant players who think they have no risk because of their skill lose VERY expensive ships. Off the top of my head, cloaky smartbomb proteus in wspace doesn't really have a counter if you're in an explo frig, especially if they scanned the system before you arrived. Risk assessment and risk to profit analysis is a skill, because you might just get unlucky. If nothing else, you're only human and you'll eventually make a mistake, so plan accordingly!
3. I do think you downplay some of the reason why older players are a bit, well, bitter. It's not because Eve isn't for them, but rather that Eve changed in ways that are contrary to the old guard of certain groups. My big "calling" in Eve was 3 things: Wspace PvE, Ninja Looting/Mission Ganking, FW PvP. 2 of them are doing great. But the fact that Abyssals are instanced, Wardec mechanics have changed to encourage highsec blocs, and a bunch of other small changes over time means that highsec griefing is in a really bad place.
I am NOT saying we should remove ganking or anything like that. Rather, I'm saying it's bad for the game that suicide ganking and camping Jita with 60+ wardecs is the only viable highsec PvP left. I'm angry at CCP for making highsec too safe, and nerfing into the ground *many* playstyles which made highsec PvP so fun. It's not all bad. The changes to remote assistance are a great change imho. But a lot of the more subtle or nuanced forms of PvP such as baiting, 1 man corp wardecs, stalking players over the long term, simply aren't a thing anymore.
In short, I agree Eve is a PvP game and a very hostile game. I disagree that CCP is doing a great job on that front. Highsec needs another overhaul of crimewatch, wardecs, and Abyssals to encourage more types of highsec PvP. Because Suicide ganking is dreadfully boring. Necessary, to be sure. I don't want it nerfed. But I'd like other options buffed to viability again.
Playing EVE Online while listening to these "talking points" videos is a really interesting way to play lol I agree with everything said including the round hole... I've also had the most fun in the game when the stakes are the highest, exe. going into wormholes with ships worth almost 100mil. I've also had a load of fun as part of a corp. but it's sooo hard finding a good corp anymore.. I enjoy all aspects of the game from the PVE to the PVP I've gotten pretty good at evading other players but never dabbled too much in actually sticking around to finish the fight. In my personal experience with EVE (off and on for 15 years) I've had more luck in PVE than PVP. In my case everyone has to find their niche within a niche game. very good points in here and very well said.
I tried to be a hunter in Pochven, to thin out all the salvaging explorers and got branded as a baddie for destroying them. I got called out for 'not engaging in fair fights' which while sometimes true, is not always the case, as my videos clearly show. Learning to survive is something I had to do in Pochven then I applied those skills to hunting those other salvagers around me. Good stories can be made of these interactions.
Is that you, Pochven Pete ?
I agree even though I've spent the majority of my time playing solo.
I first subbed back in 2009. I got into mining and moved to an 06 system bordering low-sec - Teonusude. Didn't really understand what the game was about at that point. I skilled myself into a Retriever mining barge and promptly got ganked. That's when I realised just how dangerous eve was and I loved that. It changed my path as I needed to adapt. I didn't mine again until I was able to fly a hulk with the skills to tank it. Yes I lost some yield, but so what. It's what I had to do to survive. I got myself an alt and began skilling her into an orca with command link skills. I've never lost a barge since.
Gankers could have killed me. They only needed to bring a few more ships, but there were so many miners favouring yield over safety they didn't need to. Every attack on me failed. Probably less than 10 attempts over the years as those paying attention would move on to the next target.
I love the danger in eve. That I needed to change my gameplay to survive. To be a less attractive target than everyone else. I salute the lawless pirates of eve for causing me genuine anxiety. It adds so much to the experience O7
In return I have provided many kills for them. Although I enjoy combat PvP I'm not too good at it. If we meet in combat you will win!
While I agree eve is better played with others, I've been a solo player most of the time. I'm a bit of a low confidence type person that struggles with initial interactions with others. It doesn't help that I don't need interaction in life so I don't always push myself to overcome, but when I have it has been a great experience with some great people. I would highly recommend joining a corp, but it is possible to enjoy eve as a solo player. I have no choice but to run solo atm, but I do hope to fleet up with others again in the future.
One last thing. After coming back to eve recently, and being a little rusty and not paying proper attention I lost two prowlers and three pods in one day! Terrible piloting, but happy to add to the economy and my fellow players enjoyment.
total up all the time players spend in eve. is more spent doing pvp, or pve? yeah....its not even close. when determining what the game is or needs, id think what the majority want should factor in.
Ive played the game off and on since 2009 (main character over 100M SP and Mining alt is around 40M) I have killed no one, I have only lost ships from players 3 times. Yes, I'm a Pacifist. I have lived WH, Null sec and mostly HS. I would say just because you could be attacked by someone, I'm not sure if that constitutes as PVP. The classification of PVP I think needs to be discussed on a definition.
Killing is just a means of communicaaaaatshuuuuuunn...(Thank you for using this anniversary edition memorygram! Please deposit 5 billion isk now to continue experiencing.)
😂😂😂 I miss Permaband.
If ccp has not tried to attract a wider player base to eve, what's vanguard?
A different game 😉
@@captainbenzie is that why you need omega sub to eve?
@@Someblindkid2074 well, firstly, that's just for the beta. We don't know about launch 😉
I think like you kinda touched on. Gaming companies are getting to big like Path Of Exile is a good example it started off as a small company who was passionate about making an amazing arpg vs larg companies like Activision blizzard who released Diablo 4 and everyone hates it because they trying to make a game for everyone and the throw in greedy cash grabs on top it
Just recently came back to eve, I've never gotten very far in it (mainly because every time I end up starting a new character to re learn how to play lol) but I always enjoy it. I find it funny that the two games I play the most right now are eve online and elite dangerous, two games that are old as hell. Lol
Welcome home!!
FWIW I have a different take on your "arrogance"...
It takes some proper bollox to state "I'm right on this and any different opinion is just flat out wrong" straight out the trap, because you absolutely then need to back up what you're saying inarguably.
So, for me, I not only agree with and appreciate the points you made, but also applaud you for having the courage to go for it.
Be a different story if you were wrong. But you're clearly not.
We are all entitled to our opinions, but facts are not the same thing, and opinions should change based on facts, and not the other way round. Otherwise idiocy reigns. Politicians take note. We're seeing the results of such idiocy playing out in our streets... But I digress.
So, fair play to you mate. Thanks! 👍
Thank you. It's unfortunate that we've reached a time online where people think that opinions and facts are equal. It feels awful to say it, and people will naturally get upset, but I felt I kind of had to take a stance...
I have been playing EVE for 16 years. I agree it is a niche game. It is an awesome game in my opinion. I'll never quit playing...
😊Been playing a month, joined EH corp.. Had soooo much fun found a relic site yesterday that was littered with Mines.. Lost my astero in the blink of an eye 😅 good times :)
Oof! I do love those sites but that still stings!
EVE's story is actually really deep, it's just that the game is not good at telling it. Someone could probably take the Empyrean Age book and turn it into an HBO special and it would be just as popular as Game of Thrones.
Also, players are part of the history of EVE, things that the players have done are literally part of the lore.
EVEs story is fantastic, I've done videos about it, exploring it, and in places expanding it.
The game is great at telling it, but it's like the Souls games - subtle. It's not World of Warcraft "You are the hero, strap into the rollercoaster, watch the cut scenes". It's a lived world. Just as my hometowns amazing history isn't happening right now or explained by the locals as you walk through, you have to go looking for it.