So, I was here since the game dropped in the beginning. This was my favorite primary list in order of use over all the patches and warbonds as time went on: 1. SG-225 Breaker 2. JAR-5 Dominator/SG-225IE Breaker Incendiary 3. PLAS-1 Scorcher 4. PLAS-101 Purifier/SG-451 Cookout
It's hard but if we're going for generalized picks good vs everyone? It's a toss up between the Lib Pen, and the Adjudicator. Adjudicator hits harder but Lib Pen performs better at full auto. IF your good at taping those singles or doubles into heads It's awesome! Otherwise Lib Pen you can just hold it down and the vast majority of your rounds will hit close to where your aiming.
Bro the reprimand is so underrated. If you can pulse fire it and don’t waste your ammo that gun rips through devastors and hive gaurds like a piece of paper.
I think they should move it's category the reason it's underrated imo is that people go in expecting an SMG and if you use it like an SMG it will feel pretty rough. Also move the diligence counter sniper to sniper rifle arrowhead so that category isn't just one gun
@@grandmofftogan hard disagree, because an Eruptor round doesn't have an arcing shot you can more easily snipe out bug holes and fabricators from a longer distance much more easily. Even up close if you land your shot mostly inside and you aren't within arms length then you're usually safe, sometimes you get unlucky with the shrapnel. But besides that silly nick pick I like this list, good stuff.
@@Sabindurainyeah until you realize the eruptor has a max range of like 140-145m and it's not that hard to snipe bug holes at further range than that with the crossbow. + Below that range it's quite easy with the crossbow once you get used to it. Higher damage output overall, one handed, doesn't have absolutely garbage ergonomics and twice the rate of fire (not counting shot cancelling which has its own issues) eruptor is Max C tier lol
@FrozenByFire3 i wasn't arguing the Eruptor was better, just disagreeing it was a far from a bad option for bug holes if you used the range it does have to your advantage.
The Reprimand is a clear S tier. Superior damage to all assault rifles and DMRs. Medium pen. I take this almost every round against any enemy. You just need to learn how to conserve ammo. The Sickle is also S tier. No recoil. Infinite ammo. Easy to hit weakspots of armored enemies like devistators and the bugs with armores fronts. These are my 2 go-to weapons for any encounter i can always rely on. Coupled with the senators high pen, it's a perfect loadout.
No fr, the Tenderizer is *really* good when you learn enemy weak points because it has no recoil, and Super high damage. Yeah, Light pen sucks, but if you know where to hit 'em, everything goes down in a mag or less save for elites
@@bonedaddyofthepuff9458 thing is, when you make tierlist, you must put your biases aside. Is Tenderizer good in light pen AR category? Yes. Is it S tier in that category? Maybe Is it S tier among all weapons? Hell no🤣 Wasting half of magazine or whole mag on one medium enemy is just atrociously poor
@LaserTractor Agreed it definitely is not S tier. Low to Mid A though? Definitely. Especially when you can drop any Devastator unit in 6 or 7 rounds by beaming their head, and the same for the Overseers. I will concede and say the Tenderizer is MUCH worse against the bugs since they don't tend to have an instant kill weak spot. So, agreed glaze, but not avengers level lmao
Shoutout to this guy for actually using the gun in the background. I feel like these so called “tier lists” always just have stock background in the background that’s just boring to watch
Dominator should be in A. It wrecks Bots, it staggers most enemies, it smashes medium Bugs. The only reason it isn't S is because it's quite difficult to use against the Elevated Overseers in my experience. That holds it back.
Dominator IMO is a B+ tier mostly because the DCS exists and is significantly easier to use. Peak Physique does help a bit, and the fact it's a bolter just makes it automatically cooler than everything else lol.
@AlexDenton0451 DCS isn't going to stagger Stalkers coming towards you and it isn't going to hold off a conga line of auto-circumcisers either. DCS is better versus Squids I will admit but against the other factions I know which I would prefer
@Geotexify you know what that's pretty fair, I still would prefer the DCS on Bots because headshots with it make the game so much easier but on bugs with the stagger I would 100% prefer that.
@@AlexDenton0451 dominator on bots with heavy peak physicue(better ergonomic for recoiless also good) making dominator the best weapon vs armored and durable targets. Almost 2x difference in durable targets. 2 shots in striders with piercing? Easy! Factory strider? Cook him down. DCS have only 200/50 damage, while Jar-5 Dominator 275/90.
I'm tired of seeing constitution in lowest tier possible everywhere, it's not fair, since it pushes you to use it extremely efficiently and rewards it, while also having a unique bayonet with high melee damage which is really cool for bugs(or even basic squids). It's one of the weapons which is fun to use for me. Out of my experience, it honestly works well where counter-sniper diligence does. Yes, csd's faster shooting sounds like a superior option for dps, but ammo conservation is fantastic for constitution. I wish we got it to get lvl 4 ap buff so it would shine for more people.
Its only S tier if you bring it with a Guard Dog. It's dead useless on bots, okay on squids, and good on bugs but it suffers from taking fucking forever to kill a patrol that you could of just wiped out in half the time with Breaker Incen
@@qwertyq4073 IMO it's best combined with Gas Grenades as you can toss a Gas Nade in and basically solo a bug breach since the auto-aim never turns off. It also does kill heavier enemies, it's quite good IMO.
@@qwertyq4073 You don't need a guard dog. Its role on bug missions is to be self-sustaining crowd control with solid damage. There is a reason many people, myself included run it against them. It may not always kill the fastest of the options present, but its ease of use, infinite ammo, and absurd stagger potential give it a very strong role. Also, people underestimate the damage it does. It does 1 tap most chaff and kills most medium targets in 2-4 hits. Against bots the effective range makes it a weaker choice, and the flying overseers specifically limit it against the illuminate, but it should at least be A or B tier just from its strength against bugs.
Honestly, I like how you made this tier list with keeping the fun factor in mind. Not a lot of people do this nowadays, and instead opt to criticize others for not sticking to the meta - in a game that is supposed to be fun and goofy. Sometimes, being suboptimal is incredibly fun, and it can also lead to finding new viable options to deal with certain factions. Another thing that could be factored into a tier list is how viable the weapons are with certain area conditions, like intense heat, extreme cold, fog, etc. It can really make your choice worth it when going on a diff 7-10 mission! I can't deny that the Blitzer is an incredibly useful weapon when dealing with bugs in heated areas, where movement is hindered and enemies plentiful, mainly because it can buy you a lot of time - but shit, it's really not all that fun to use. Sure, it's punchy, but there isn't much else to it, and sometimes it can screw over an ally that happens to retreat your way. Anyway, here's my usual weapon choice, and a silly trick that I didn't see other people do: SG-451 COOKOUT is just as viable at longer ranges when you arc your shots, to the point where you can act as a bit of a support sniper/artillery(?) that staggers and sets enemies on fire, for as long as there's a sightline and you learn how to aim it. Also it's super satisfying to watch the pellets fly off into the distance and land on the enemy. It does a surprisingly decent amount of damage, and you might save somebody's life by staggering a group of devastators or something. To me, it provides the same utility as the Blitzer from even longer ranges, while still having the fun of using a dragon breath shotty - with even less friendly fire incidents! This was a fun watch, and I think that you're on the right track with your content. Keep up the good work!
@@SqwimpyTF It's subjective. Bad and unwieldy doesn't always mean that it's going to be fun to everyone. Personally, the constitution got old for me really quick. It can do the job, and rushing into melee to poke things can also be done with the stun lance now. It ain't much of a novelty anymore, but that's just me. The pummeler is just an SMG sidegrade with more stagger. I just can't call it fun in any unique way. Reprimand is a solid weapon, but I wouldn't call it fun. It is overall average, with a kick to it. If I had to name some kind of a fun weapon, it would definitely be the punisher plasma, or the crossbow. Fun stuff can happen with explosives.
I'm a simple Scorcher man. Effectively takes down everything medium and below. Good ammo capacity, good penetration, and even if you miss you still get partial credit.
I feel like the PLAS39 was originally designed to have a single shot standard fire mode with an alternate 3shot burst that just consumed the entire magazine, but when playtesting it they found that it invalidated the Railgun or something, or was just way too powerful in some other regard. So they nerfed it by adding the damage falloff, but gave it the 3shot burst each time to compensate. If you can land all 3 shots on the same bot weakpoint the damage falloff is less crippling, but that is still such a hoop to jump through that you may as well keep using the DCS.
Blitzer is S Tier..... on bugs. On Termanid planets it reigns supreme, controlling crowds with its great stun and knock back ability, and eliminating most medium armored enemies in 2-3 shots, has unlimited ammo, and a decent fire rate.
Adjudicator is chose for lower skill Helldivers than that uses Reprimand SMG. More damage with same ammo and armor piercing. Just use tactical reload and it has less bullet speed, so don't use it on distance more than ≈100m.
I feel like the constitution is over hated. I started playing like less than a month ago, and so far it’s one of my 3 most used weapons. Landing headshots with it is super satisfying and the bayonet actually goes crazy once you figure out how to use it properly. Plus trench raider vibes
The constitution doesn't really have that much of an identity The bayonet is outclassed by the stun lance which does the same DMG + stun effect + it's one handed to pair with ballistic shield as for the actual gun: anything the constitution can do, the DCS can do...but faster and with better versatility
@@LaserTractor Sorry guys, @laserTractor said that complimenting your favorite weapon is glazing. We are now NOT allowed to use any of our favorite weapons now. Kiss your constitution, Liberator penetrator, and dominator goodbye. And make sure not to say anything good about your weapons or else you are literally insane for it. LaserTractor knows best, everybody. So please, do as our King says.
@@SqwimpyTF bro wrote "i feel like it's overhated". I mean it's not. It is literally the worst gun in the game. It works only as a melee. Sidearm Senator is better in *every* way. And I mean it. In every way. And then some people are saying how good this thing is? Nah. Wanna have opinion - have it. But don't be mad when I came and say my opinion in the comments.
Ever since i got it, i haven't used any other primary. Its all you could ask for, medium armor penetrating PLUS freezing most enemies in place! its so unique and deserves so much more attention.
I would use it if it didn't have bs WoT-like aim that can miss on your first bullet at a target that is 10-15m away (bloom, not recoil) If they do remove that stupid aspect I would 100% agree
It's so nice against Bugs, especially against enemies like Nursing Spewers and Alpha Commanders. It oneshots weaker enemies to the face, can oneshot Nursing Spewers to the face and can consistently two shot decapitate Alpha Commanders. Hive Guards? 2 shots to the face plate. Dodge a Charger, pop it in the ass with a stun round, have your way with it... With an EAT, Recoilless, or Thermite, anyway.
I run the reprimand not just because its got a very beefy sound, great damage and medium pen (though the accuracy and muzzle velocity is suboptimal and literally subsonic), but because the total damage you can deal with your entire ammo supply is near the top of the pack for primaries (excluding explosives and shotguns since those are based off of peak damage and all pellets hitting), truly an incredible smg
Hey greetings from Germany 😁👋🏻 Interessting Video, my english is not the best, but you speak slow and clearly so I can understand the most you say 👍🏻. For the next Ranking, maybe it's better when you make different lists for the different types of enemies in this game. Have a nice day 🍀
Finally some respect for the Halt, I use it as my Bug primary cause of how good it is at stunning chargers and hordes. It’s useful in damn near every situation, against hordes or single enemies, I never feel like I’ve run out of ammo cause of the individual loading, and the guns recoil is relatively low and very controllable too. Possibly the only issue I have with the tier list is how low the reprimand is, and yes, your points are absolutely right but if you sim down sights the recoil is almost completely gone and it allows you to absolutely shred through almost any enemies no matter the faction. I tend to use this on bots, and it allows me to destoryed devastators, hulks, and any enemy. (For grunts I tend to use the senator, I just like the revolver, that’s just how I play. I use the loyalist for bugs). I feel like the Reprimand desrves an A instead purely because of the insane damage and armor pen
Reprimand has the best sound, its super chunky with a full mag and gets progessively lighter sounding with more audible springs and internal mechanics as the ammo goes down and finally gives a satisfying *tink* noise on empty ammo. its also a great weapon as long as you control your firing, just don't hold down full auto and use the sights to aim.
Hear me out. Blitzer for literally unlimited stun lock, with the lib-pen guard dog and machine gun sentry. I'm a kill machine. Admittedly not the best for squids, but a bug and bot monster load out. Keeps the bug hordes at safe distance and surprises damage wise against bots, deals with hulks and devastators pretty well. Bring along some anti tank to round out the build and you're doing work.
damn, thought i was waching a video from a big creator. i almost didnt belive it when i saw the 730 subs. i really liked this video, keep up the work. :) also greetings from germany👋🏼
Dude misuses half of the weapons (sustained firing smgs then complaining about spread and the like) then gets mad, some alright takes but overall mid tbh
As a mainly Ghostdiver, when going Helldive Dominator + Flak + Turrets is literally God-Tier. You can take out everything, including tanks and Hulks, and Factory Striders, and while I agree you have to account for bullet speed, it´s really not that bad. I found that the Diligence CS is also great, but lacks just that little "oomph" you need to clean house when you are alone.
So i just want to talk about the stagger force from weapons, their purpose is to interrupt enemy's attacks (such as when a stalker is rushing you down) yes you kill things slower but it saves you from taking damage more often, a gun without stagger will not be able to kill a stalker fast enough and you will most likely take the stalker hit if they are close to you, something with stagger will push back the stalker and saving you from tanking the hit, this can be applied to bots as well, as stagger from shots will make their shots miss if you dont manage to kill them fast enough or if they are already lining up a shot against you. Really stagger force is a safety net that permits to play more aggressive and still being safer
@@AlexDenton0451 If you compare the scorcher to the purifier when it comes to just putting bullets down range, the scorcher is obviously better. That is what it was made to do. However, if you actually charge your shots, the purifiers actual strength comes to light. They are comparable, it just depends on if you like charge shot mechanics or not. If you don't mind the charge, the purifier will win out for most scenarios.
@@blastimbre yeye I like the Purifier more on Bots where the Charge can stagger most enemies and the Scorcher more on Bugs where you can just kill most enemies in 1 to 2 shots rapidly
I hope they buff all the ARs so they can actually be decent. Right now they are all underperforming in comparison to so many other weapons. And I would love a decent AR vs. the Squids.
As a Lib.Carbine fan, I feel compelled to point out that it has a slightly faster reload animation than the standard Lib. AR., this paired with Siege Ready armor passive increasing its reload speed and also its ammo ammount makes it a fun beast to wield and shred enemies on both Bug and Squid front, my personal downside is that it has no scope value, specially compared to standard Lib. and Tenderizer.
Having a lot of fun with the Tenderizer’s accuracy and blistering dps on the 850rpm fire mode against the lightly armored illuminate. Its superb handling and follow-up-shots makes it easier than the counter sniper to take out watchers and elevated overseers. P.S. I made the mistake if not buying the sta-52 when I had the chance, and I hope it is still in the superstore rotation to also fulfill my full-auto playstyle.
I quite like the stagger effect with weapons like the pummler. Mostly because I have issues with things like the bugs powering through my shots and killing me before I can kill them for example. The stagger is really nice for saving your own skin in a situation that would normally result in death or near death.
Glad to see someone ranking the AR's favorably! Most people write them off as low tier because of their light pen nature. However, a fair number of medium armored enemies have areas of light armor tha you can exploit, and even if you can't do that, the generous mag sizes the light pen guns offer still allows it to clear chaff at a vetter rate than most of the medium pen weapons. There's a couple of weapon placements that I disagree with, but besides it coming down to a matter of opinion, it's also how you play the game. I definitely favor the more "meta" weapons over the fun ones myself. If I had to say one thing, it's that I think the purifier is also worthy of S tier. I love the scorcher. It's my #1 favorite gun in the game, but it does have a notable draw back. Ammo economy. It's one of the few weapons in the game where you can find yourself running empty during a long firefight unless you make frequent use of your secondary/ support weapon. It's more noticeable on the bug front, but it can happen on all of them if you don't keep a close on your reserve mags. As for the purifier, while the per shot damage isn't good, it can still penetrate medium armor. But the main value it has is with its chargeup shot. Whether wiping out a small group of enemies or staggering larger, heavy enemies the utility and damage of the charged shot warrants its s Toer placement alongside its scorcher sibling. Choosing between the scorcher vs. The purifier comes down to whether you want consistent damage vs lots of damage potential!
8:52 My f**** eyes!! How do you use a SMG like that?? Try to use short burst or put on Burst Mode. And pleaae dont use on medium enemies, the Damage Fall-on is huge on SMGs
I agree that the reprimand is in a weird place, however i think you're discounting the medium armor penetration, í don't mind it's accuracy issues, but i do agree that it should be one handed as with it being two, you might as well use the penetrator
I want to like it, but as a bot player, I fight at medium range a lot, and the accuracy kills it for me. If they fixed the accuracy, it'd be in my top 3 primaries.
@ It's not bad for that I suppose, but if I'm going to be sacrificing magazine size for penetration and damage, I might as well use the Adjudicator since it has a solid scope and good accuracy, making it useful at all ranges.
@@Kitkat-986 personally I find the adjudicator a bit awkward up close, but that's probably just a preference thing, besides I like my builds to be thematic so I'm likely a little biased
@ The Reprimand IS a solid CQC weapon, but the inaccuracy seems like such an artificial way to limit effectiveness at range, almost like someone mistyped and added an extra zero somewhere when setting the weapon dispersion. I'm fine with the recoil and the low velocity of the projectiles, I use the Verdict at medium range without issue, it just sucks to have a perfectly aimed shot miss a headshot.
As someone that played a lot of baseline Punisher for a while before getting the Halt and maining that, the Slugger feels bad for the sheer damage drop in comparison.
Yeah you lost me at Purifier anywhere but S tier. Scorcher is arguable, I just don't like it's little ammo - but potential S tier. Blitzer? Sure you either love or hate it. I think it rules Bug/Squid fronts and is surprisingly decent against bots. But Purifier not in S? Damn
I legit think regular punisher is one of the best terminid weapons in the game. Sure it doesn't deal with medium armor but only regular medium armor threat is hive guard and you can still manage them with it. It's magic is in that it basically staggers everything with pretty much every shot. It trivializes freakin' stalkers, has great weapon handling for when they swarm you up close, it's combination of high stagger and decent spread helps managing large groups as they try to close in etc. I don't have the halt yet, but to me it seems like at least specifically for terminids anyway, you have to choose between stun and decent damage with it, whereas punisher has great stagger and great damage on that front all the time anyway. And once again, completely trivializing stalkers is a huge plus. And staggering capability helps in team games too. I tend agree with you on the adjudicator though. To me it seems like one of the most overhyped weapons in the game. Sure, it is almost universal and works to some degree vs almost everything in every faction. But in my experience it doesn't do any of it particularly well. Can it go through scout strider, hive guard, and overseer armor? Yes, but it also takes it almost a whole magazine of carefully recoil managed fire, and unless you land great majority of a burst on a weakspot, which ain't easy with that recoil, it'll take forever in killing any of those. Scorcher can kill all of those A LOT faster, and A LOT easier in my opinion. And against swarms, due to its high recoil, lowish fire rate, and small magazine, it's meh at best. It has a good scope, but not the accuracy at long range to make that count. New killzone themed SMG that looks like a cross between Bison and Uzi is probably the worst SMG in my experience. It feels fun, but seems to do worse than regular defender, while barely have any more of a meaninful difference in magazine capacity I feel like, and most of that difference is flying all over the place rather than intended target thanks to its higher recoil. Laser-assault rifle thing I also dislike with some fervor, mainly due to about a second long delay between clicking fire and actually firing, and its damage seems meh too.
Liberator Concussive is amazing against bots. You can stun up to devastators/berserkers long enough to follow up with a headshot that kills them. Huge ammo savings.
crossbow is definitely S tier, its like the eruptor in terms of damage and utility, but has better handling and is one handed and can be used with a shield.
Considering how EVERYONE says its the best primary in the game I was surprised with his wavering on it. But looking at the footage he was getting pounded by hunters and warriors at CQC range. He didn't mention it but the crossbow has a literal dead zone where you die if you hit something too close. But also just a little beyond that dead zone is a ricochet zone if you try to aim for the floor for easy splash dmg kills the bolt will bounce. This makes the crossbow BAD at CQC so most players play around that. Part of why jetpacks are rather meta combined with light armor you can kite.
@@PerfectDeath4 you want to keep a distance with it because of the splash damage, I would be lying if I said I haven't accidentally killed myself with it 😂 that's where pairing it with the Senator or Bushwacker is a great choice, or even the new melee weapons, otherwise it does so much damage to large groups, it's not out of the ordinary to get 10+ kills with only 2 shots with it. It's one of the weapons that's consistently good against every faction! Easily get 300 to 400 kills or more every time I run it.
Peapole dont notice that when you are stunning or knocking back the enemy, they cant fight back most enemies dont care getting shot at and just keep approching or shooting back at you, when they get hit a by a concussive wepon they cant do anything. bots cant shoot back, bugs cant approach(they acualy get pushed back much further than you wolud think especialy on the liberator concussive). And let me tell you something about heavy devastators and overseers, you know how they have an annoying shield? All it takes is 1 hit in any damagable area and the shield swings to the side letting you do whatever you want. With concussive wepons you trade a bit of damage for safety especially in close quarters.
From what i've heard from Lib Concussive mains is that their use of it is to support their team. Some weapons have very little to no stagger force. The Lib Con trades ROF AND DMG for a LOT of stagger. Like its kinda silly how much stagger this gun has. Which allows a player to sweep to the sides and keep pushing enemies back while say a teammate uses the flamethrower or while strategem is coming in. Solo play its bad for sure. xD To add a point about the Tenderizer, you can bump its RPM to 850 making it's DPS REALLY GOOD and the recoil isn't that bad either. Main issue is the reload time so it combos very well with the siege ready passive. Now the Pumeler is not like the lib con, the lib con deals lots of STAGGER. The Pumeler deals the same type of EMS as stun grenades and EMS strikes. This stun however, does not last long and after its duration got nerfed it has definitely fallen off from its early niche as EMS stun is stronger than STAGGER. One reason is that enemies are easier to hit with follow up shots, another is their animations stop (like with chargers) The Plasma Purifier does deal same dmg between single and charged, just that the AoE probably deals dmg to different HP pool or something. The gun basically has no ROF limit uncharged making its potential DPS higher than the Plasma rifle if you can click fast enough (or bind a key for insane BRRT). Worse ammo economy in that case but the tap fire can be reserved for those moments you want to mag dump ASAP. With the JAR-5 I'd say based on the footage that your problem is probably how heavy the gun is, much like the eruptor the JAR-5 is slower to move to the aim point, this combined with the recoil can make it feel hard to wield and lead shots. The projectile speed is actually comparable to the eruptor, plasma and crossbow weapons. So I dunno why its projectile speed is such a negative?
Lib Con some times have better damage than most light armor piercing AR's on durable enemies. So Lib Con is best AR to deal with Alpha brood commanders due it's 70 durable resistance. So.. it's still have a good point to shoot even in bile titan belly dealing 30 damage, while most of AR will deal 14.
The adjudicator I just love for bots. They did buff it and it's mag size is rather big now for the rounds it shoots. Just bring recoil reduction perk and chrouch. Now that they nerfed chargers and hulks it's effective on them too.
Your content is great! Honestly on par with most big Helldivers UA-camrs, I would recommend ranking inside each category (so if the liberator was better than the diligence then you’d put it on the left of the diligence) Edit: mb, I hadn’t watched the rest of the video lmao, still, great videos
Having halt in S tier is crazy lol. It feels like a worse shot gun as it does too much without having an actual purpose. Also the blitzer is amazing pared with the flamethrower
The plasma sniper slander everywhere drives me crazy. While yes. Not good against bugs. But bots specifically, can 3 burst any bot in the game minus factory striders. Ever cannon turrets
@@herbivorethecarnivore8447no, he is just objectively correct. It can kill every non-tank enemy in the game in 1 to 2 shots, can crowd clear just by shooting the ground, can destroy every single outpost type easily, is one handed letting you run while firing it, has extremely generous amounts of ammo, and frees up your secondary and Support to be more focused on any specific type of damage. It's unquestionably the strongest weapon in the game, you're just wrong if you think otherwise lol
R-36 erupter has to be s tier based on why you put the crossbow in s tier as well. The erupter can very easily destroy 5 big holes with one magazine (not to mention the last two shots technically make it semi-automatic)
If you like one variant more than the others you should put it in a higher position but still in the same tier if necessary. For example, there's no way the Breaker S&P is A tier just because the normal breaker is B. From what i've seen in the video, you dont modify the order of weapons in the single tiers after one is added, but rather slap them one after the other in the same order you rank them. This is not really the best way of creating tierlists. Also, i believe some weapons need to be specifically ranked to one determined faction because of the difference in gameplay there is. An accurate weapon is much better on the automaton front because it's necessary to hit weakpoints to be useful, while it could be way less useful against hordes of bugs
Honestly it'd be something as simple as the Liberator or any submachine gun. All you need is a high rate of fire and even low-moderate damage cause Illuminate shields are meant to absorb lots of burst damage. Lots of small projectiles cut right through them
StA-11 is a straight downgrade to the Knight. The only thing better about it is the recoil. The Knight has more ammo, a better reflex sight, less spread, and a faster fire rate.
@@larryjeff on bots oddly enough I tend to run heavy armor and a Resupply Backpack. Armor lets you tank a ton of damage and backpack lets you endlessly Stim to keep up.
the constitution is a s teir weapon it the only primary weapon that can kill tank and the robot atat and can strip the bug charger leg armor (grand it it hard as shit but possible)
Your definitely sleeping on the Reprimand although I can see why, don't think smg when using it think Giga adjudicator since stat wise that's basically what it is. Also fire in short controlled bursts with good trigger discipline the Reprimand can become as accurate as any other medium pin assault rifles
Having played a lot with the constitution and the plas-39 (ugh) the constitution is leagues better than that piece of scrap. The plas-39 might be the worst weapon in the game. I would rather use the peacekeeper pistol as my primary, seriously.
the eruptor can also destroy bug holes the same as the crossbow. And yeah the weapon drag is a pain but it can be basically fixed by running peak physique armor. I think the eruptor is worthy of an S tier
idk why he’s talking about bugholes so much on the crossbow, yeah its limited on bugs cause of the close quarters, thats why it excels on bots and squids. especially bots. its easily s-tier anyways, but smh.
What are your favorite primary weapons?
I like the dominator, crossbow, and blitzer!
So, I was here since the game dropped in the beginning. This was my favorite primary list in order of use over all the patches and warbonds as time went on:
1. SG-225 Breaker
2. JAR-5 Dominator/SG-225IE Breaker Incendiary
3. PLAS-1 Scorcher
4. PLAS-101 Purifier/SG-451 Cookout
It's hard but if we're going for generalized picks good vs everyone? It's a toss up between the Lib Pen, and the Adjudicator. Adjudicator hits harder but Lib Pen performs better at full auto. IF your good at taping those singles or doubles into heads It's awesome! Otherwise Lib Pen you can just hold it down and the vast majority of your rounds will hit close to where your aiming.
THE BLITZER, WHICH IS THE BEST WEAPON AGAINST BUGS. WHY DID YOU PUT IT IN C TIER THIS IS BLATANT RAGE BAIT AT THIS POINT
@@jeremijk915 WHY ARE YOU YELLING?
Bro the reprimand is so underrated. If you can pulse fire it and don’t waste your ammo that gun rips through devastors and hive gaurds like a piece of paper.
I think they should move it's category the reason it's underrated imo is that people go in expecting an SMG and if you use it like an SMG it will feel pretty rough.
Also move the diligence counter sniper to sniper rifle arrowhead so that category isn't just one gun
Yeah i use it single fire and its phenomenal
If you want to use smg in single-burst fire mode - just take Diligence CS and have way more fun (and less stuрid recoil you need to manage)
@LaserTractor not the same at all
@@N7Allfather true, Diligence CS is better
GMT: "Crossbow does what no other primary weapon can do and that's close 5 bug holes with a single magazine"
The Eruptor: "Am I a joke to you?"
Yeah you're right lol, but doing that with the Eruptor is a death sentence and a chore.
@@grandmofftogan hard disagree, because an Eruptor round doesn't have an arcing shot you can more easily snipe out bug holes and fabricators from a longer distance much more easily. Even up close if you land your shot mostly inside and you aren't within arms length then you're usually safe, sometimes you get unlucky with the shrapnel.
But besides that silly nick pick I like this list, good stuff.
@@Sabindurainyeah until you realize the eruptor has a max range of like 140-145m and it's not that hard to snipe bug holes at further range than that with the crossbow. + Below that range it's quite easy with the crossbow once you get used to it. Higher damage output overall, one handed, doesn't have absolutely garbage ergonomics and twice the rate of fire (not counting shot cancelling which has its own issues) eruptor is Max C tier lol
Eruptor does less
And way slower
Crossbow supremacy since devs took away _the good_ shrapnel from Eruptor
@FrozenByFire3 i wasn't arguing the Eruptor was better, just disagreeing it was a far from a bad option for bug holes if you used the range it does have to your advantage.
Sicklechads able to casually walk forward and spray like a lunatic with no concern for wasting ammo
The Reprimand is a clear S tier. Superior damage to all assault rifles and DMRs. Medium pen. I take this almost every round against any enemy. You just need to learn how to conserve ammo.
The Sickle is also S tier. No recoil. Infinite ammo. Easy to hit weakspots of armored enemies like devistators and the bugs with armores fronts.
These are my 2 go-to weapons for any encounter i can always rely on.
Coupled with the senators high pen, it's a perfect loadout.
Blitzer in C tier?
Light pen trash is in A tier?
My god, this is Avengers-level glazing🤮
Tenderizer is S tier, learn to aim noob.
@ it's always "learn to [something]" argument when weapon or perk is trash
Yea yea
No fr, the Tenderizer is *really* good when you learn enemy weak points because it has no recoil, and Super high damage. Yeah, Light pen sucks, but if you know where to hit 'em, everything goes down in a mag or less save for elites
@@bonedaddyofthepuff9458 thing is, when you make tierlist, you must put your biases aside.
Is Tenderizer good in light pen AR category? Yes.
Is it S tier in that category? Maybe
Is it S tier among all weapons? Hell no🤣
Wasting half of magazine or whole mag on one medium enemy is just atrociously poor
@LaserTractor Agreed it definitely is not S tier. Low to Mid A though? Definitely. Especially when you can drop any Devastator unit in 6 or 7 rounds by beaming their head, and the same for the Overseers. I will concede and say the Tenderizer is MUCH worse against the bugs since they don't tend to have an instant kill weak spot. So, agreed glaze, but not avengers level lmao
Shoutout to this guy for actually using the gun in the background. I feel like these so called “tier lists” always just have stock background in the background that’s just boring to watch
Thanks! I always have demonstrations of the weapons/stratagems in the background, I think it's a much better viewing experience than a still screen.
Eruptor is not a higher tier than the Adjudicator in any context other than closing bug holes.
so these are the dudes i have to play with, that explains a lot 😭
Dominator should be in A. It wrecks Bots, it staggers most enemies, it smashes medium Bugs. The only reason it isn't S is because it's quite difficult to use against the Elevated Overseers in my experience. That holds it back.
Putting the Dominator in C and the Slugger in A is crazy to me. Use the Dominator as a shotgun, it's a better Slugger in every way
Dominator IMO is a B+ tier mostly because the DCS exists and is significantly easier to use. Peak Physique does help a bit, and the fact it's a bolter just makes it automatically cooler than everything else lol.
@AlexDenton0451 DCS isn't going to stagger Stalkers coming towards you and it isn't going to hold off a conga line of auto-circumcisers either. DCS is better versus Squids I will admit but against the other factions I know which I would prefer
@Geotexify you know what that's pretty fair, I still would prefer the DCS on Bots because headshots with it make the game so much easier but on bugs with the stagger I would 100% prefer that.
@@AlexDenton0451 dominator on bots with heavy peak physicue(better ergonomic for recoiless also good) making dominator the best weapon vs armored and durable targets. Almost 2x difference in durable targets. 2 shots in striders with piercing? Easy! Factory strider? Cook him down. DCS have only 200/50 damage, while Jar-5 Dominator 275/90.
I'm tired of seeing constitution in lowest tier possible everywhere, it's not fair, since it pushes you to use it extremely efficiently and rewards it, while also having a unique bayonet with high melee damage which is really cool for bugs(or even basic squids). It's one of the weapons which is fun to use for me.
Out of my experience, it honestly works well where counter-sniper diligence does. Yes, csd's faster shooting sounds like a superior option for dps, but ammo conservation is fantastic for constitution. I wish we got it to get lvl 4 ap buff so it would shine for more people.
BLITZER C TIER?!
bro LOVES killing his teammates
Its only S tier if you bring it with a Guard Dog. It's dead useless on bots, okay on squids, and good on bugs but it suffers from taking fucking forever to kill a patrol that you could of just wiped out in half the time with Breaker Incen
@@qwertyq4073 IMO it's best combined with Gas Grenades as you can toss a Gas Nade in and basically solo a bug breach since the auto-aim never turns off. It also does kill heavier enemies, it's quite good IMO.
@@qwertyq4073 You don't need a guard dog. Its role on bug missions is to be self-sustaining crowd control with solid damage. There is a reason many people, myself included run it against them. It may not always kill the fastest of the options present, but its ease of use, infinite ammo, and absurd stagger potential give it a very strong role. Also, people underestimate the damage it does. It does 1 tap most chaff and kills most medium targets in 2-4 hits. Against bots the effective range makes it a weaker choice, and the flying overseers specifically limit it against the illuminate, but it should at least be A or B tier just from its strength against bugs.
Dilegence counter sniper is great as a ghostdiver
Bro here forgot about the purifiers 1000 rpm
Yeah easily S tier weapon at this point and time.
Erm technically I think it has a max of 6000 akshully
It's so funny though I love the idea of dumping every shot in like a tenth of a second.
@@AlexDenton0451 *NOBODY CaREs NERD!*
Honestly, I like how you made this tier list with keeping the fun factor in mind. Not a lot of people do this nowadays, and instead opt to criticize others for not sticking to the meta - in a game that is supposed to be fun and goofy. Sometimes, being suboptimal is incredibly fun, and it can also lead to finding new viable options to deal with certain factions.
Another thing that could be factored into a tier list is how viable the weapons are with certain area conditions, like intense heat, extreme cold, fog, etc. It can really make your choice worth it when going on a diff 7-10 mission! I can't deny that the Blitzer is an incredibly useful weapon when dealing with bugs in heated areas, where movement is hindered and enemies plentiful, mainly because it can buy you a lot of time - but shit, it's really not all that fun to use. Sure, it's punchy, but there isn't much else to it, and sometimes it can screw over an ally that happens to retreat your way.
Anyway, here's my usual weapon choice, and a silly trick that I didn't see other people do:
SG-451 COOKOUT is just as viable at longer ranges when you arc your shots, to the point where you can act as a bit of a support sniper/artillery(?) that staggers and sets enemies on fire, for as long as there's a sightline and you learn how to aim it. Also it's super satisfying to watch the pellets fly off into the distance and land on the enemy. It does a surprisingly decent amount of damage, and you might save somebody's life by staggering a group of devastators or something. To me, it provides the same utility as the Blitzer from even longer ranges, while still having the fun of using a dragon breath shotty - with even less friendly fire incidents!
This was a fun watch, and I think that you're on the right track with your content. Keep up the good work!
You say that yet he put the constitution, a fun and goofy weapon, in D tier. As well as putting the pummeler & reprimand in C tier...
@@SqwimpyTF It's subjective. Bad and unwieldy doesn't always mean that it's going to be fun to everyone.
Personally, the constitution got old for me really quick. It can do the job, and rushing into melee to poke things can also be done with the stun lance now. It ain't much of a novelty anymore, but that's just me.
The pummeler is just an SMG sidegrade with more stagger. I just can't call it fun in any unique way.
Reprimand is a solid weapon, but I wouldn't call it fun. It is overall average, with a kick to it. If I had to name some kind of a fun weapon, it would definitely be the punisher plasma, or the crossbow. Fun stuff can happen with explosives.
Diligence CS for me is for sure an S+ primary on bots and squids, it's SOOOO GOOD on both races.
Jar-5 dominator with better stun and damage + piercing bullets 🗿
I'm a simple Scorcher man. Effectively takes down everything medium and below. Good ammo capacity, good penetration, and even if you miss you still get partial credit.
I feel like the PLAS39 was originally designed to have a single shot standard fire mode with an alternate 3shot burst that just consumed the entire magazine, but when playtesting it they found that it invalidated the Railgun or something, or was just way too powerful in some other regard. So they nerfed it by adding the damage falloff, but gave it the 3shot burst each time to compensate. If you can land all 3 shots on the same bot weakpoint the damage falloff is less crippling, but that is still such a hoop to jump through that you may as well keep using the DCS.
the burst has just always been like that. see the source material, killzone
Blitzer is S Tier..... on bugs. On Termanid planets it reigns supreme, controlling crowds with its great stun and knock back ability, and eliminating most medium armored enemies in 2-3 shots, has unlimited ammo, and a decent fire rate.
Having the Breaker Spray&Pray over the Dominator, Adjudicator, Reprimand and Blitzer is insane.
S+: Crossbow and Purifier
S: Blitzer, Dominator and Scorcher
A+: CS Diligence, Adjudicator, I Breaker, Lib Pen.
Adjudicator is chose for lower skill Helldivers than that uses Reprimand SMG. More damage with same ammo and armor piercing. Just use tactical reload and it has less bullet speed, so don't use it on distance more than ≈100m.
You didn't mention how 1-handed weapons can be fired while running. Hugely underrated feature.
I feel like the constitution is over hated. I started playing like less than a month ago, and so far it’s one of my 3 most used weapons. Landing headshots with it is super satisfying and the bayonet actually goes crazy once you figure out how to use it properly. Plus trench raider vibes
The constitution doesn't really have that much of an identity
The bayonet is outclassed by the stun lance which does the same DMG + stun effect + it's one handed to pair with ballistic shield
as for the actual gun: anything the constitution can do, the DCS can do...but faster and with better versatility
Glazing is insane
@@LaserTractor Sorry guys, @laserTractor said that complimenting your favorite weapon is glazing. We are now NOT allowed to use any of our favorite weapons now. Kiss your constitution, Liberator penetrator, and dominator goodbye. And make sure not to say anything good about your weapons or else you are literally insane for it. LaserTractor knows best, everybody. So please, do as our King says.
@@SqwimpyTF bro wrote "i feel like it's overhated".
I mean it's not. It is literally the worst gun in the game. It works only as a melee. Sidearm Senator is better in *every* way. And I mean it. In every way.
And then some people are saying how good this thing is? Nah. Wanna have opinion - have it. But don't be mad when I came and say my opinion in the comments.
bro the halt is so underrated, its my favourite primary tbh, and I NEVER see anyone else use it lol.
Ever since i got it, i haven't used any other primary. Its all you could ask for, medium armor penetrating PLUS freezing most enemies in place! its so unique and deserves so much more attention.
I would use it if it didn't have bs WoT-like aim that can miss on your first bullet at a target that is 10-15m away (bloom, not recoil)
If they do remove that stupid aspect I would 100% agree
It's good, just requires much more effort to use than other shotguns. I think it's solid though!
@@AlexDenton0451 AH my bad i thought we were talking about the reprimand, yeah the halt is pretty good (A tier to me still)
It's so nice against Bugs, especially against enemies like Nursing Spewers and Alpha Commanders. It oneshots weaker enemies to the face, can oneshot Nursing Spewers to the face and can consistently two shot decapitate Alpha Commanders. Hive Guards? 2 shots to the face plate. Dodge a Charger, pop it in the ass with a stun round, have your way with it... With an EAT, Recoilless, or Thermite, anyway.
Blitzer and Reprimand clearly underrated, should be on B or A tier easily.
I completely agree with you that the Halt is S-tier. Best Shotgun in the game 💪
I run the reprimand not just because its got a very beefy sound, great damage and medium pen (though the accuracy and muzzle velocity is suboptimal and literally subsonic), but because the total damage you can deal with your entire ammo supply is near the top of the pack for primaries (excluding explosives and shotguns since those are based off of peak damage and all pellets hitting), truly an incredible smg
Hey greetings from Germany 😁👋🏻
Interessting Video, my english is not the best, but you speak slow and clearly so I can understand the most you say 👍🏻.
For the next Ranking, maybe it's better when you make different lists for the different types of enemies in this game.
Have a nice day 🍀
Thank you! I'm glad that people from across the world are able to watch my videos and understand them.
Finally some respect for the Halt, I use it as my Bug primary cause of how good it is at stunning chargers and hordes. It’s useful in damn near every situation, against hordes or single enemies, I never feel like I’ve run out of ammo cause of the individual loading, and the guns recoil is relatively low and very controllable too. Possibly the only issue I have with the tier list is how low the reprimand is, and yes, your points are absolutely right but if you sim down sights the recoil is almost completely gone and it allows you to absolutely shred through almost any enemies no matter the faction. I tend to use this on bots, and it allows me to destoryed devastators, hulks, and any enemy. (For grunts I tend to use the senator, I just like the revolver, that’s just how I play. I use the loyalist for bugs). I feel like the Reprimand desrves an A instead purely because of the insane damage and armor pen
Reprimand has the best sound, its super chunky with a full mag and gets progessively lighter sounding with more audible springs and internal mechanics as the ammo goes down and finally gives a satisfying *tink* noise on empty ammo. its also a great weapon as long as you control your firing, just don't hold down full auto and use the sights to aim.
Hear me out. Blitzer for literally unlimited stun lock, with the lib-pen guard dog and machine gun sentry. I'm a kill machine. Admittedly not the best for squids, but a bug and bot monster load out. Keeps the bug hordes at safe distance and surprises damage wise against bots, deals with hulks and devastators pretty well. Bring along some anti tank to round out the build and you're doing work.
damn, thought i was waching a video from a big creator. i almost didnt belive it when i saw the 730 subs.
i really liked this video, keep up the work. :)
also greetings from germany👋🏼
Thank you!
Had the same thought! Just got a new sub!
The halt is very underrated for sure! Very good if you make the mode swap changes. Solid list overall.
Dude misuses half of the weapons (sustained firing smgs then complaining about spread and the like) then gets mad, some alright takes but overall mid tbh
Isn't the Knight and the kill zone SMG practically the same gun? How are they far from the tier list? Their difference is very slightl
"B-but muh fun"
Author is just low skill dummy. Check his knight aim.
Great breakdown and I agree with everything except the reprimand. You should really give it some more play time and it deserves at least B Tier.
As a mainly Ghostdiver, when going Helldive Dominator + Flak + Turrets is literally God-Tier. You can take out everything, including tanks and Hulks, and Factory Striders, and while I agree you have to account for bullet speed, it´s really not that bad.
I found that the Diligence CS is also great, but lacks just that little "oomph" you need to clean house when you are alone.
I can’t believe you put the blitzer so low, I love that weapon so much
So i just want to talk about the stagger force from weapons, their purpose is to interrupt enemy's attacks (such as when a stalker is rushing you down) yes you kill things slower but it saves you from taking damage more often, a gun without stagger will not be able to kill a stalker fast enough and you will most likely take the stalker hit if they are close to you, something with stagger will push back the stalker and saving you from tanking the hit, this can be applied to bots as well, as stagger from shots will make their shots miss if you dont manage to kill them fast enough or if they are already lining up a shot against you.
Really stagger force is a safety net that permits to play more aggressive and still being safer
Really nice list, but putting the scorcher over the purifier came as a big suprise.
I semi agree with the take though. It does more damage without charging, has a bit more ammo, and is better if you prefer spamming.
@@AlexDenton0451 If you compare the scorcher to the purifier when it comes to just putting bullets down range, the scorcher is obviously better. That is what it was made to do. However, if you actually charge your shots, the purifiers actual strength comes to light. They are comparable, it just depends on if you like charge shot mechanics or not. If you don't mind the charge, the purifier will win out for most scenarios.
@@blastimbre yeye I like the Purifier more on Bots where the Charge can stagger most enemies and the Scorcher more on Bugs where you can just kill most enemies in 1 to 2 shots rapidly
I hope they buff all the ARs so they can actually be decent.
Right now they are all underperforming in comparison to so many other weapons.
And I would love a decent AR vs. the Squids.
As a Lib.Carbine fan, I feel compelled to point out that it has a slightly faster reload animation than the standard Lib. AR., this paired with Siege Ready armor passive increasing its reload speed and also its ammo ammount makes it a fun beast to wield and shred enemies on both Bug and Squid front, my personal downside is that it has no scope value, specially compared to standard Lib. and Tenderizer.
Having a lot of fun with the Tenderizer’s accuracy and blistering dps on the 850rpm fire mode against the lightly armored illuminate. Its superb handling and follow-up-shots makes it easier than the counter sniper to take out watchers and elevated overseers.
P.S. I made the mistake if not buying the sta-52 when I had the chance, and I hope it is still in the superstore rotation to also fulfill my full-auto playstyle.
I love the tenderizer, it's superb on illuminate, but I use it on bots too. Nailing dev headshots is satisfying.
I quite like the stagger effect with weapons like the pummler. Mostly because I have issues with things like the bugs powering through my shots and killing me before I can kill them for example. The stagger is really nice for saving your own skin in a situation that would normally result in death or near death.
Bro i was shocked to see that you only have like 700 subs, i thought it would be closer to 100 000 for sure.
Thank you! Maybe one day I'll get somewhere close to that.
Glad to see someone ranking the AR's favorably! Most people write them off as low tier because of their light pen nature. However, a fair number of medium armored enemies have areas of light armor tha you can exploit, and even if you can't do that, the generous mag sizes the light pen guns offer still allows it to clear chaff at a vetter rate than most of the medium pen weapons.
There's a couple of weapon placements that I disagree with, but besides it coming down to a matter of opinion, it's also how you play the game. I definitely favor the more "meta" weapons over the fun ones myself. If I had to say one thing, it's that I think the purifier is also worthy of S tier. I love the scorcher. It's my #1 favorite gun in the game, but it does have a notable draw back. Ammo economy. It's one of the few weapons in the game where you can find yourself running empty during a long firefight unless you make frequent use of your secondary/ support weapon. It's more noticeable on the bug front, but it can happen on all of them if you don't keep a close on your reserve mags. As for the purifier, while the per shot damage isn't good, it can still penetrate medium armor. But the main value it has is with its chargeup shot. Whether wiping out a small group of enemies or staggering larger, heavy enemies the utility and damage of the charged shot warrants its s Toer placement alongside its scorcher sibling. Choosing between the scorcher vs. The purifier comes down to whether you want consistent damage vs lots of damage potential!
Should have put the Torcher in S tier, because against non-bots, it is!
Halt is my go too for the squids now. On demand stun does great things for dealing with city scanners.
8:52 My f**** eyes!! How do you use a SMG like that?? Try to use short burst or put on Burst Mode. And pleaae dont use on medium enemies, the Damage Fall-on is huge on SMGs
I agree that the reprimand is in a weird place, however i think you're discounting the medium armor penetration, í don't mind it's accuracy issues, but i do agree that it should be one handed as with it being two, you might as well use the penetrator
I want to like it, but as a bot player, I fight at medium range a lot, and the accuracy kills it for me. If they fixed the accuracy, it'd be in my top 3 primaries.
@Kitkat-986 fair enough, I tend to play more like a storm trooper, closing the distance quickly, so it works for me
@ It's not bad for that I suppose, but if I'm going to be sacrificing magazine size for penetration and damage, I might as well use the Adjudicator since it has a solid scope and good accuracy, making it useful at all ranges.
@@Kitkat-986 personally I find the adjudicator a bit awkward up close, but that's probably just a preference thing, besides I like my builds to be thematic so I'm likely a little biased
@ The Reprimand IS a solid CQC weapon, but the inaccuracy seems like such an artificial way to limit effectiveness at range, almost like someone mistyped and added an extra zero somewhere when setting the weapon dispersion. I'm fine with the recoil and the low velocity of the projectiles, I use the Verdict at medium range without issue, it just sucks to have a perfectly aimed shot miss a headshot.
As someone that played a lot of baseline Punisher for a while before getting the Halt and maining that, the Slugger feels bad for the sheer damage drop in comparison.
Don't like the Halt. Would place it in B.
S tier for me are Crossbow, Purifier and Blitzer - that's it
Yeah you lost me at Purifier anywhere but S tier.
Scorcher is arguable, I just don't like it's little ammo - but potential S tier.
Blitzer? Sure you either love or hate it. I think it rules Bug/Squid fronts and is surprisingly decent against bots.
But Purifier not in S? Damn
I legit think regular punisher is one of the best terminid weapons in the game. Sure it doesn't deal with medium armor but only regular medium armor threat is hive guard and you can still manage them with it. It's magic is in that it basically staggers everything with pretty much every shot. It trivializes freakin' stalkers, has great weapon handling for when they swarm you up close, it's combination of high stagger and decent spread helps managing large groups as they try to close in etc. I don't have the halt yet, but to me it seems like at least specifically for terminids anyway, you have to choose between stun and decent damage with it, whereas punisher has great stagger and great damage on that front all the time anyway. And once again, completely trivializing stalkers is a huge plus. And staggering capability helps in team games too.
I tend agree with you on the adjudicator though. To me it seems like one of the most overhyped weapons in the game. Sure, it is almost universal and works to some degree vs almost everything in every faction. But in my experience it doesn't do any of it particularly well. Can it go through scout strider, hive guard, and overseer armor? Yes, but it also takes it almost a whole magazine of carefully recoil managed fire, and unless you land great majority of a burst on a weakspot, which ain't easy with that recoil, it'll take forever in killing any of those. Scorcher can kill all of those A LOT faster, and A LOT easier in my opinion. And against swarms, due to its high recoil, lowish fire rate, and small magazine, it's meh at best. It has a good scope, but not the accuracy at long range to make that count.
New killzone themed SMG that looks like a cross between Bison and Uzi is probably the worst SMG in my experience. It feels fun, but seems to do worse than regular defender, while barely have any more of a meaninful difference in magazine capacity I feel like, and most of that difference is flying all over the place rather than intended target thanks to its higher recoil.
Laser-assault rifle thing I also dislike with some fervor, mainly due to about a second long delay between clicking fire and actually firing, and its damage seems meh too.
Not taking reserve mags into consideration with these rankings is a huge oversight.
I wish you could set a second primary as a stratagem to call down and switch out, or switch primary when you respawn
Liberator Concussive is amazing against bots. You can stun up to devastators/berserkers long enough to follow up with a headshot that kills them. Huge ammo savings.
crossbow is definitely S tier, its like the eruptor in terms of damage and utility, but has better handling and is one handed and can be used with a shield.
Considering how EVERYONE says its the best primary in the game I was surprised with his wavering on it. But looking at the footage he was getting pounded by hunters and warriors at CQC range. He didn't mention it but the crossbow has a literal dead zone where you die if you hit something too close. But also just a little beyond that dead zone is a ricochet zone if you try to aim for the floor for easy splash dmg kills the bolt will bounce. This makes the crossbow BAD at CQC so most players play around that. Part of why jetpacks are rather meta combined with light armor you can kite.
@@PerfectDeath4 you want to keep a distance with it because of the splash damage, I would be lying if I said I haven't accidentally killed myself with it 😂 that's where pairing it with the Senator or Bushwacker is a great choice, or even the new melee weapons, otherwise it does so much damage to large groups, it's not out of the ordinary to get 10+ kills with only 2 shots with it. It's one of the weapons that's consistently good against every faction! Easily get 300 to 400 kills or more every time I run it.
Cool tier list bro 😎
Purifier and crossbow best primary hands down
Peapole dont notice that when you are stunning or knocking back the enemy, they cant fight back most enemies dont care getting shot at and just keep approching or shooting back at you, when they get hit a by a concussive wepon they cant do anything. bots cant shoot back, bugs cant approach(they acualy get pushed back much further than you wolud think especialy on the liberator concussive). And let me tell you something about heavy devastators and overseers, you know how they have an annoying shield? All it takes is 1 hit in any damagable area and the shield swings to the side letting you do whatever you want.
With concussive wepons you trade a bit of damage for safety especially in close quarters.
From what i've heard from Lib Concussive mains is that their use of it is to support their team. Some weapons have very little to no stagger force. The Lib Con trades ROF AND DMG for a LOT of stagger. Like its kinda silly how much stagger this gun has. Which allows a player to sweep to the sides and keep pushing enemies back while say a teammate uses the flamethrower or while strategem is coming in. Solo play its bad for sure. xD
To add a point about the Tenderizer, you can bump its RPM to 850 making it's DPS REALLY GOOD and the recoil isn't that bad either. Main issue is the reload time so it combos very well with the siege ready passive.
Now the Pumeler is not like the lib con, the lib con deals lots of STAGGER. The Pumeler deals the same type of EMS as stun grenades and EMS strikes. This stun however, does not last long and after its duration got nerfed it has definitely fallen off from its early niche as EMS stun is stronger than STAGGER. One reason is that enemies are easier to hit with follow up shots, another is their animations stop (like with chargers)
The Plasma Purifier does deal same dmg between single and charged, just that the AoE probably deals dmg to different HP pool or something. The gun basically has no ROF limit uncharged making its potential DPS higher than the Plasma rifle if you can click fast enough (or bind a key for insane BRRT). Worse ammo economy in that case but the tap fire can be reserved for those moments you want to mag dump ASAP.
With the JAR-5 I'd say based on the footage that your problem is probably how heavy the gun is, much like the eruptor the JAR-5 is slower to move to the aim point, this combined with the recoil can make it feel hard to wield and lead shots. The projectile speed is actually comparable to the eruptor, plasma and crossbow weapons. So I dunno why its projectile speed is such a negative?
Lib Con some times have better damage than most light armor piercing AR's on durable enemies. So Lib Con is best AR to deal with Alpha brood commanders due it's 70 durable resistance. So.. it's still have a good point to shoot even in bile titan belly dealing 30 damage, while most of AR will deal 14.
STA-11 has been the only primary weapon I use since I got it.
Is this bait?
The adjudicator I just love for bots. They did buff it and it's mag size is rather big now for the rounds it shoots. Just bring recoil reduction perk and chrouch. Now that they nerfed chargers and hulks it's effective on them too.
I bet this guy went to Angel's Venture instead of Heeth in the last major order.
Your content is great! Honestly on par with most big Helldivers UA-camrs, I would recommend ranking inside each category (so if the liberator was better than the diligence then you’d put it on the left of the diligence)
Edit: mb, I hadn’t watched the rest of the video lmao, still, great videos
Thanks! I honestly just didn't want to complicate the ranking and make it too long, but sometimes I'll put a weapon at the top or bottom of a tier.
Having halt in S tier is crazy lol. It feels like a worse shot gun as it does too much without having an actual purpose. Also the blitzer is amazing pared with the flamethrower
My go to DMR is the BR14 really like that gun. Just wish it was a burts not an auto, but honestly i take what i want to have fun with.
The plasma sniper slander everywhere drives me crazy. While yes. Not good against bugs. But bots specifically, can 3 burst any bot in the game minus factory striders. Ever cannon turrets
The Dominator is my favorite against bots and illuminate
Great work Helldiver :)
Thanks!
The Exploding Crossbow is by far the strongest Primary in the game and everyone knows it.
"everyone"
bro just because you have an opinion doesn't mean everyone instantly agrees with you
@@herbivorethecarnivore8447no, he is just objectively correct. It can kill every non-tank enemy in the game in 1 to 2 shots, can crowd clear just by shooting the ground, can destroy every single outpost type easily, is one handed letting you run while firing it, has extremely generous amounts of ammo, and frees up your secondary and Support to be more focused on any specific type of damage. It's unquestionably the strongest weapon in the game, you're just wrong if you think otherwise lol
@@AlexDenton0451 You're quickly creating a TF2-style stereotype about crossbow users refusing to accept any other weapon
R-36 erupter has to be s tier based on why you put the crossbow in s tier as well. The erupter can very easily destroy 5 big holes with one magazine (not to mention the last two shots technically make it semi-automatic)
The problem with the Eruptor is it's much more cumbersome and can't Crowd Clear without significantly more effort.
@AlexDenton0451 I have no problem crowd clearing with it
@@thomaslikescars Good for you, it is still just a poor man's crossbow in the current state of the game.
If you like one variant more than the others you should put it in a higher position but still in the same tier if necessary.
For example, there's no way the Breaker S&P is A tier just because the normal breaker is B. From what i've seen in the video, you dont modify the order of weapons in the single tiers after one is added, but rather slap them one after the other in the same order you rank them. This is not really the best way of creating tierlists.
Also, i believe some weapons need to be specifically ranked to one determined faction because of the difference in gameplay there is. An accurate weapon is much better on the automaton front because it's necessary to hit weakpoints to be useful, while it could be way less useful against hordes of bugs
Give the Knight a go with burst fire, way better.
justice for the normal punisher
Whats the best weapon against illuminate shields?
Honestly it'd be something as simple as the Liberator or any submachine gun. All you need is a high rate of fire and even low-moderate damage cause Illuminate shields are meant to absorb lots of burst damage. Lots of small projectiles cut right through them
StA-11 is a straight downgrade to the Knight. The only thing better about it is the recoil. The Knight has more ammo, a better reflex sight, less spread, and a faster fire rate.
Can you still get the Sta 52?
It's not in the Superstore right now, but it's bound to come back eventually
@grandmofftogan okay, thanks
Immo, the only S tier primary is exploding crossbow. Blitzer, scorcher and purifier would be A tier
Agreed tbh, I personally still really like the other three but the crossbow literally just does everything except close combat.
@@AlexDenton0451 good thing that jump pack got buffed
@@larryjeff jump pack is so solid now. I generally run Guard Dog though as I prefer Offensive Support, mobility is crazy useful though.
@ Jump pack on bugs and illuminate, directional shield on bots
@@larryjeff on bots oddly enough I tend to run heavy armor and a Resupply Backpack. Armor lets you tank a ton of damage and backpack lets you endlessly Stim to keep up.
the constitution is a s teir weapon it the only primary weapon that can kill tank and the robot atat and can strip the bug charger leg armor (grand it it hard as shit but possible)
Nah, Halt is c-tier. Lack of ammo in the flechette tube combined with the stun rounds being less than useful makes it worse than the Punisher.
17:50 explosive crossbow is really more of a bot weapon
Your definitely sleeping on the Reprimand although I can see why, don't think smg when using it think Giga adjudicator since stat wise that's basically what it is.
Also fire in short controlled bursts with good trigger discipline the Reprimand can become as accurate as any other medium pin assault rifles
Having played a lot with the constitution and the plas-39 (ugh) the constitution is leagues better than that piece of scrap. The plas-39 might be the worst weapon in the game. I would rather use the peacekeeper pistol as my primary, seriously.
the eruptor can also destroy bug holes the same as the crossbow. And yeah the weapon drag is a pain but it can be basically fixed by running peak physique armor. I think the eruptor is worthy of an S tier
did anyone hear these are opinions its his NOT yours
I try my best to explain that, I even put an opinion warning!
idk why he’s talking about bugholes so much on the crossbow, yeah its limited on bugs cause of the close quarters, thats why it excels on bots and squids. especially bots. its easily s-tier anyways, but smh.
Good vid. Only disagreement i have is with the blitzer. It holds up incredibly well against the bugs and bots on level 10 since it's medium armor pen