I think diesel is the way to go in my opinion because you have so many options. Big trucks, farm equipment, construction equipment, hospitals run off diesel generators when needed, water plants, railroads, power plants, etc… Side note I think there needs to be a mechanics union who bust up these greedy dealerships.
Industrial diesel is the best. Engines are easy to access and those machines NEED to be running so you never get told "no" to fix something that will keep the machine reliable and making money
Certed techs with their own tools are being offered like $15/hr to work alongside seasoned high paid techs. You can get more money flipping burgers these days and there’s no debt or tests to take. Warranty pay, all the tools required, the push for ASE certs, etc. and this field just destroys your body and leaves you with no retirement plan. Wasn’t worth it for me.
Bro that's what I've been saying. If you're a auto tech starting as a lube tech you won't be making money for Atleast 4 years. If you're a diesel mechanic you could get 2 years under your belt, leave and find a better paying job atleast 18-22 a hr.
@@dakotaalexander9292 that’s why I never worked as a tech in a dealer. They all offer that amount to start out and other shops were willing to pay way more
Same here I stopped applying for automotive jobs when I see that they r paying 20bucks a hour to b a "A" tech. I decided to b a cnc operator, no tools to buy, no ase test. All I do is simple programming and put the panel in and wait. No more busting my hands, no more 6days a week 10hour days....FUCK THE AUTOMOTIVE FIELD.
Not my experience at all. Started at $15. Then moved to $18. Moved to a new dealership after I graduated community college and now I’m at $25. All over the course of 2 years. Yes it’s hard work but it pays off.
@@andybub45 my point exactly.....automotive tech jobs should not be starting at 15 an hour....even if you just a maintenance tech aka c tech. Think about it the 1st year when u was making 15 an hour, some guy is flipping burgers for the same amount and actually getting paid more cause he don't got a tool debt. So idk in my opinion shit is crazy.
I think you should talk about the bs that young techs will deal with. Favoritism with older techs, "stealing money from customers and techs" the huge learning curve etc
He should talk about how SOME, NOT ALL, but SOME, old folks are just a bunch of pricks and should go dig a hole and jump in. Just the most blatant assholes you've ever seen. Not the playful joking that you see and the regular toxic, but just straight assholes. Piss poor pay, shitty co workers, shitty management, way too much tool cost. Flat rate being the ''main'' pay method.
I came out of the construction industry, did that for 8 years. Been doing diesel mechanic work for 2 years. An man was that a learning curve. But finally I it’s like something just broke wide open in my mind an I’m really kicking ass with it, definitely not the best out there that’s for sure. But I’ve never been so confident in something as mechanic work now. I enjoy it very much. An I think as long someone finds themselves just really enjoying it and wanting to learn, they will excel quite quickly.
You got in an indy diesel shop or dealer? I applied at a dealer diesel shop, been doing automotive for 5 years. I do have light duty diesel experience but not heavy. Hopefully i can get in 🤞
Construction people working on vehicles the disasters you see i tell ya, usually if a automotive guy was to quit and go to construction the work will be more neat n ocd unfortunantly it doesnt work the other way around
It is a good career, but I hated flat rate. My income and work/life balance increased drastically after I left the field. I am a bit of an anomaly, after I left the field I got a bachelors in biology and master's in chemistry.
I started out as a dealership tech. I went to a GM asep school. I was a tech for a few years and the moved up to a service advisor. In 2008 when the auto industry took a hit I was laid off. I have been working as a maintenance mechanic for a high speed stamping company. If I knew what I know now I would never have started in the auto industry.
Same. I love working on cars, but the industry is terrible. The industry will only change after people stop choosing to be mechanics, and there is a huge mechanic shortage.
They think of mechanics as stupid high school dropouts and don't want to pay them more than a Walmart worker. Once you hit 35 , your body breaks down and it becomes a young mans game.
It is a good career , you just have to find the right shop that has a place for you. I’ve been one for 28 years and left the trade 7 odd years ago , but I would recommend it. There are always opportunities
@@vinces8974 unfortunately this industry is just looking for warm bodies. I have worked along side a technician who has more comebacks than cars that actually stay fixed for a whole entire year
We had a guy who got fired for messing up too much and ended up in 4 different shops since. He has wanted to come back to us because he got paid the best here. Of course, it was a HUGE no lol.
@@Dcc357And yet I'm a former Navy Aviation Electrician who just left the Healthcare field trying to offer my skills to the diesel industry, and I've only been given 1 interview in the past few months. Oh well, some day a company will see my value and call. Until then, I'll wrench out of my truck doing side work.
I agree! I am Fleet. 33 ford vehicles. This includes 25 Box trucks. I am learning a ton about Ford. I started my career with John Deere. You are your own limitation. The more you know, the more you grow, the more value you bring.
The problem with IT is that it can be done anywhere. Some dude in India with an internet connection can do the same shit that you're doing and frankly likely better. Whatever job you pick it has to be something that can't be "exported." What I mean by that is that a semiconductor factory can, and has been done for years, moved to Taiwan, Singapore, or China. If you're a civil engineer the bridge you're building is going to stay where it is. FRM is right in that an automotive tech needs to touch the car and that some dude in India can't change an engine remotely. I just don't like the industry in other respects.
Software issues can be outsourced but not hardware. You can make well into 6 figures installing, servicing and upgrading server equipment and running ethernet in buildings, especially if your willing to travel. Auto tech is a young guys job, i wouldn't recommend anyone be working in the bays as a W2 employee at a dealership or "we do it all" shop past the age of 35.
Another HUGE issue with IT, depending on what you're doing in the field, is work/life balance. I know even a lot of non-IT jobs aren't just 9-5 anymore in the digital communication age, but IT can be really bad. On-call rotation, answering emails, calls, or text after hours (or worse, on your vacation days), never knowing if you'll be out of work at your scheduled time, etc. Also, companies of all types seem to run understaffed, but it's a chronic problem in IT and has been for decades. The list goes on. When you're younger, it can be a bit more tolerable, you may even feel "important" at first, like you're a needed member of the team. But after a few years if you decide you want to get married, have kids, or a life outside the racket, it gets old quick- and starts to burn you out.
@@davidbuck9977 The problem with this is that in my experience, most hardware positions in IT tend to me lower or mid tier at best. I do know a guy who does exactly what you're talking about in almost every respect, and he does make exactly six figures, but in lives in New York so it's probably like 75k at best when adjust for cost of living. As far as travel goes, a lot of time company has remote customer they will just partner with a local company who will send out some less paid hardware jockey to take care the layer 1 issues. It's interesting you mentioned avoiding one stop shops in auto, as I HIGHLY recommend this in IT as well. Not only is a completely annoying level of IT where you are asked to fix anything that plugs into an outlet- but also, the industry has been trending toward specialization for the last few decades. You get better pay for knowing one topic more throughly, and you will likely have a better work/life balance. MSP's are to avoided at all costs!
I went from automotive to motorcycles, then heavy diesel engines and to industrial mechanical maintenance, yes I agree a lot of paths out there if you go looking and are willing to diversify
As a 30 year plus tech, the industry is geared for high profit return to the shop 1995 shop rate 37.50 tech pay 40% of the labor billed. Today shop tech gets flat rate 23/27 an hour shop rate 250 an hour, not to mention they cut your hours on the ticket.
@@keithwiebe1787 that was good , my uncle caddy dealer tech 67/97 always got 55% till he retired ( employe retention any one? ) he loved it there. But now you be lucky to get any thing above 15% of the labor rate 37.50
@@sonofmontezuma3732 Got tired of the boss after 20 years, and found a job at Carmax one month later. Worked in an air conditioned shop working from 7 to 4 and didn't have to buy tools, etc. and got paid hourly. Retired last January at ago 61.
20 years in the business nothing more than a High school diploma still out earn my older college educated brother and it looks like skilled techs are more in demand now than they were when I was a kid.
Been a diesel mechanic for around 10 years now from military vehicles to tractors and trailers to now transit buses. There are a lot of paths like you said and people should consider taking advantage of it. If I could give advice to someone younger and looking for a field to get into it would be diesel fleet maintenance. You generally from what I’ve been around can start at higher pay and you’ll learn a lot if you are someone who likes work that is hands on
@@StrongerThanBigfoot wherever has a fleet of vehicles that go out for the day or however long and then come in for routine maintenance or other misc fixes. Unlike a dealership where you could be working on all different makes and models - fleet maintenance usually you see the same equipment day in and day out which is nice if you run into an issue with one, you’ll know what to look out for with the others. But to each their own if that is the type of work they like, some people like having the ability to work on all different types of vehicles instead of the same ones over and over again
I used to be a plumber and in HVAC. The one thing I do have to say about HVAC is that it's extremely complicated. Even the guys with 40 years on their belts come in not knowing the problems. But I really do like working on my own car, so much fun to learn. I think I would have switched years ago, but I am enjoying the complicated side of HVAC.
With the way things are going i would have a shop that specialized in ONLY electric vehicles and heavy equipment. Its moving fast and if your ahead of the curve and are the top dog in the area for working on these newer cars, trucks, equipment, then youll be ahead of the game and can ask top dollar to fix them.
I can tell you the biggest problem I see is starting out and the middle of the industry. You can get a job anywhere paying you to do oil changes. You can always get the lowest rate flat rate. I’ve seen as low as $15 flat rate. Which when times are slow your making 20 hours. If you have some ASE’s I’ve had 4. They want all your ASE,s and 20 years experience or they pay you like crap. Someone has to feed you jobs for flat rate to work.
Local 701 flat rate union tech here, one wilder outliers from our union is one of the guys left the industry, and with the skills inherited in his career, went on to be a technician at a particle accelerator research facility. There truly is no limit to the possibilities, and could always be used as a spring board for other career aspirations.
An uninterpretable power supply tech will start paid twice as much and even Tesla is payng their Powerwall techs better than their EV techs.Doesn't make zero sense.
I would fuckin' ace that shit. "During our week-long training you will spend two days focusing on stationary batteries and two and a half days discussing either Digital Process Power or Ferroresonant UPS systems. Our senior level support engineers and consultants will share information and insight gathered from years of field experience."
I went from being the lead diag guy, which I didn't like but did it anyway, then we needed a diesel and heavy line tech that could turn a tap, so now I'm back to doing that. I love it. I'm also 6ft 8in tall and 330lbs so I like working where I can move around a bit. The job has its good and bad days, but I still want to go do it every day.
You have Stockholm Syndrome. This is a condition in which a person held captive develops an emotional bond with their abuser. (The Industry that just unjustly fired you.) This can be attributed to isolation from outside perspectives.
I have been in Automotive related my whole life and I am sticking around until I retire and maybe beyond. I would recommend the Automotive field if its your cup of tea because we need more Techs in the Industry. Great video Mike as always these videos are spot on.
I’ve been a tech at kia, 2 Honda dealers, Toyota and ford. Never been laid off or fired I’ve always quit because the favoritism, bullshit excuses why they can’t send me to school and a bunch of issues with giving me bigger jobs because of my age but I’ve graduated from unoh for high performance motorsports and worked in the auto industry all throughout my time at school so I’m very familiar with the high performance and consumer vehicles and understand it very well but with my age a lot of managers and shops think I’m full of crap when I say I can do something and it’s also very difficult to get those bigger jobs so I can prove them wrong. I’m not the fastest by all means but I take pride in my quality of work vs speed. I can’t stand having comebacks or making mistakes but they do happen and I always own up to them when I do screw up. I’ve been debating getting out of the auto industry for plenty of reasons but a lot of the old guys that were the top guys at the shops I’ve been too have always said it’s just an age thing and once you get older then a lot of my problems I’m having now will slowly go away but the stress and frustration I have from people not trusting me or saying I’m incompetent and is not willing to give me a chance is playing a toll on my mentality and it’s hurting my mental health. I go in open minded and willing to learn and keep improving and getting more training but I always get some bull crap excuse and it’s just frustrating today
Sounds like you should start a mobile mechanic business or open your own shop. I would start doing side jobs and promoting on facebook until you make the full transition.
High end cars are fine. I rarely get under 60 hours a week and occasionally I hit 100. Rich people still have money. Don't go work for Ford or kia. Go work for bmw or audi.
After a major injury as a young guy, I’ve deceided to give up on the dream. Id love to be wrenching but all things considered with myself and the industry it doesn’t seem worth it anymore :/ before I hear any BS, this is just my personal experience.
Went from flat rate technician of 25+ years to performing ADAS calibrations on vehicles after they've been in a collision. Only tools i need now is a tape measure and a laptop.
This is the only industry where you can literally do all the things. Janitor, painter, plumber, welder, hydraulic tech, trash man, forklift, computer hack, tool collector, vehicle pusher, service writer, and so many other tasks not related to your job but are forced to do anyhow. Get started being a slave for the automotive industry today!!!
Hell no lmao dealer life sucks between favoritism and warranty times/promising customers things that are unreasonable. Tech and healthcare jobs consistently pay more, just get the degree.
It’s a great career if you have the knowledge and can get things done. But figure out your next move when you start to age once you hit your 50’s your body is done.
I had a choice 40 years ago to go into automotive but decided on aviation…went to A&P school and got my license…ended up my last 20 years working for United as a tech and then Inspector…making $55.00 an hour keeping your hands clean and being in a union with benefits like matching 401K and monthly retirement benefits when you retire…I took a big lump sum !!…lots of overtime if you’re hungry…techs making over 200K a year….there is a hiring push right now especially at United…now doing diagnostic work specializing in Corvettes down here in Florida since retiring…with EV’s coming quickly and with these cars needing hardly any maintenance the auto tech jobs will be few and far between in the future…THINK AHEAD !!
Been a tech since 1992 .. i do bumper to bumper all makes and models .. master tech certified... 40.00 an hour flat rate .. id kick my kid in the face if he said he wanted to be a tech ... so much easier work for the money out there in 2023
I have a background in IT, I can see the cutting throat aspect but that's just in any job. Nothing is guarantee in life for nobody in general if you are not working for yourself.
Im the head heavy line tech for my local municipality.. only part i can complain about is trying to fit my fat self inbetween the cab and frame for wiring harnesses.. common failure when your garbage truck drivers dont wash the trucks and the juices eat the wires
After reading a lot of the comments below, I have to disagree. You can make a fortune starting out as a lube tech at a dealership. Dealers need qualified techs really bad. Where most people go wrong is their attitude. You can be fresh out of high school, but if you have the right mentality, and are willing to work hard, you will be rewarded. A dealership has to invest a lot of money into a new tech, so they pay close attention to how you conduct yourself. Once you prove yourself to be a good employee, they'll send you away to your first class. That's your goal. The more comfortable they feel in trusting you, the more you get. Lube techs don't just do tires and oil changes. If you show promise, they'll let you work with regular techs. I have several lube techs, with less than a years experience, pulling dashboards, taking doors apart, installing racks, and all kinds of jobs that you'll almost never see in the aftermarket. After a couple of years, or so, you should have no problem making a fairly easy $1000 a week. As long as you can be mentally strong for the first few years, the hard work will pay off. And if you are working at a place that doesn't treat you right, quit and go somewhere else.
@@zoticus1 Originally I'm from NY but living experience are so out of control, I ended up moving to FL. You can make great money in NY, but you can't keep any of it. I don't really like living in FL, but its a fairly well run state compared to most of the other ones.
@@magnumjohnson9628 Hey dude man, maybe you should have read my post. All of your factory training is free and its better than any trade school. So your education is completely paid for. I also said it can be an easy $1000 a week. That statement implies that it can be higher. If you need help reading, let me know.
How many times have we heard this BS sales pitch? It’s the same old ruse to keep flooding in entry lvl workers to do the grunt work for low pay. Hard work in this industry won’t get you anything except bad knees and a bad back. Don’t fall for it kids.
The pay is ok but the benefits suck. All the money you have to spend on tools it’s not worth it. I worked in the field for a couple of years. Became an electrician and a maintenance manager and glad I did.
Ive been going to high schools in my county preaching the same thing to students. My dealer will even pay for them to community college auto tech program. Still, almost no kids sign up. They are brain washed that 4 year college is the only option. Our stock as seasoned techs is rising. And rising quickly.
Im in the process of building a high-tech auto repair garage. I'm my area in the few years. I know two shops that are shutting down owners retiring and not leaving for the techs. The Snap Zeus plus can be hooked up to my 2021 yahama grizzy, ATV, and I can code data on that on that unit.
17 year Master/Expert Volvo tech with BEV/PHEV certs and 9 ASE's. I made over $120k/year and was always the top tier tech in my three dealerships. I left this industry last year and actively encourage all kids and adults to stay away. DO NOT GO TO A DEALERSHIP TO WORK ON CARS!! Why? TOO many cons to list. UTI = over charging crap schooling. I had four apprentices from UTI/SAFE and only one remains in the industry. They all were terrible and couldnt do an oil change without supervision despite the "schooling". Dealerships = professional thieves and scam artists. Long hours. No respect. Poor benefits. Hendrick automotive and other dealers make you work on holidays (July 4 and memorial day) Warranty time = labor theft and scams. Imagine working 8 hours of the day and only get paid 3. That is scamming warranty times that steal from the technicians to fix their poorly engineered vehicles.
@@jacobe3861 I am a military contractor. If you have automotive or truck repair experience, i highly recommend you look into government or contracting jobs. Just search 'combat vehicle mechanic'. You'll find plenty and have the ability to travel the world.
@@jacobe3861 Not sure what happened to my reply but i am a military contractor living in Europe now. Get paid fantastic money and work barely 40 hours/week. If you have repair experience, search indeed or other sites for "combat vehicle mechanic". You can travel the world and make good money working alongside the military. I also worked for the local city police garage and maintained their police cars. I loved that job but paid too little.
It's better than being a house painter. If I could do it again, Fleet and govt work is the way to go! And if you have some money you can go to trucking school and get a CDl , which makes you more valuable For govt and police automotive employment.
Worked at Sears in 2001-2006 and at a engine shop at the same time back in Detroit around that time made it up to their highest position Tech 4 earning my ASE's in my early 20's after that finally found a job as an Aviation technician here in Chicago since 2006... since moving here I volunteered for free as a biomedical technician learning the craft for 6 months rather than go to school, it was to easy and quite boring. I then got training to receive my CDL then went to school for heavy duty trucks/ equipment in Dekalb, IL Kishwaukee College to become a fleet technician or work on trains in case the Airlines lay off. Did all this while working at the airlines. I worked many jobs McDonald's, Wendys, restaurants washing dishes, meijer, kmart, walmart and more when I was young catching the bus and my car got stolen at meijer so I was back again on the bus.. To anyone no matter your age and to the young generation... never give up on your dreams... don't become materialistic with cars and motorcycles and unnecessary stuff until you accomplish your career first and then everything else will fall into place later on in life. For me in my early 20's in automotive I spent all my money on school, my matco tool box and tools and had to wait for the R6 I wanted, 2g eclipse turbo ect.. I wanted to be independent and not live in my parents house forever. At age 42 now I have the R6 and eclipse now. I have adult step kids that I try to teach them this principle and about their future but they are lazy and refuse to listen... Don't become like them!!! Focus on your future first and get a job with a 401k match, be versatile in your craft and be ready to venture out into different career fields if needed. Look out for yourself as jobs and people may let you down. This world has changed since the 90's. Hard work pays off! Age 42 I'm back in gymnastics, still doing boxing...and always wanted to run track and field in the Olympics these are my goals and dreams in my mind; if your mind can perceive it, then it can be done, thats how I choose to think. So many times I failed those Ase test until passing and I've been working on cars since I was a kid with my dad but I never gave up because I hate loosing and giving up! Keep trying and never give up regardless of your age just don't be lazy, I can't stand laziness and people with excuses that feels the world owes them everything and they don't have to work in life. I grew up poor living in a house in Detroit where the roof leaked when it rained, no heat, and electricity bc me and my dad fell on hard times, we even had a homeless guy we picked up off the street living with us. I never complained and I'm very grateful for my good and bad experiences in life... thats how we learn and improve even when we take risk because I did, and not always did they turn out like I hoped. Listen to the Flatrate Master, he has the experience and even at my age I'm sill learning from him. I'm not the smartest person I just keep trying and refuse to give up or give in.
I'm 28 and considering becoming an autotech coming from a restaurant dishwasher background. I like to be hands-on with my work. Also been a Honda Enthusiast with basic knowledge of engine repair and maintenance. Is it too late to start?
This new practice of independent shops letting go of older higher paid techs might be new. But any dealership tech will tell this has been common practice in the dealer world for decades. You’re just number, so get in there make the best of the situation and move on before they do. It’s sad and I totally don’t agree with it, but if you know what your dealing with you can minimize the damage to yourself.
Left the dealerships and service a couple of years ago. Engineering Technician at a OEM is the way to go. Don't have to deal with dumb customers anymore with that petty pay.
If it’s not a natural thing and you are just looking for money then find it somewhere else If you can’t stay away from the shop and you’re thinking about fixing something then it may be your thing Don’t worry about the money, if you are not happy doing it then walk off
I think Mike is biased because he's been really lucky to stay at the same shop for so long, but now the seal is broken, I have a feeling he will change his opinion in the next couple years if he doesn't leave the industry. Its way worse than he thinks. Once you break your seal, the average job last 3-9 months. Unless he wants to settle for a whole lot less than what he's used to
Forget playing with tools, I go to work to make money. I'm currently a shop Foreman for a large utility grossing over 200k a year and I'm leaving it to be an apprentice lineman. Lineman in southern Cali making up to 500k a year
Now is there a place in the industry for a mechanic of 20 years, with no other training or experience. That's the point I am stuck at right now in my life. Not really sure where I can take my knowledge and certs and still make decent money. Would be curious to hear your thoughts on where to go within the industry when you are done wrenching.
If you are good, and work for a brand, you can usually move to different positions like shop foreman or specialize in something. For example, if you're tired of swapping engines and transmissions, specialize in something like diag work. Or you can move to corporate and do things like tech support, or teaching.
@@AT-wl9yq In my case I am forced out due to injury and restrictions and where I was working fired me. I tried looking for several months, but no one wants to hire someone with no experience, at least not at a living wage.
Big problem is they do not want gas/diesel vehicles so I could see banning of parts past year model or something to force people to buy bicycles or walk to work.
Deff not, There are better ways to make money..... As for instant fix gratification sure, no one tells you the Crappy customer who looks at its your fault the car broke down a/c broke down etc.... Also Starting out tech, your on crap money. When your at a workshop your expected to do 5-6 jobs for same money....
You shouldn't be a technician in any year . This trade is a joke & doesn't pay what your worth . It's even worse when you find out the arrogance , favoritism & fuckjobs . After 3 years of being told good tech would make $65,000 a year & wound up with half of that.
@zoticus1 give them a call its Hailey automotive I think they will move your tools and give you 10000 moving and sign on bounes. But the cost of hosing is high
I think diesel is the way to go in my opinion because you have so many options. Big trucks, farm equipment, construction equipment, hospitals run off diesel generators when needed, water plants, railroads, power plants, etc…
Side note I think there needs to be a mechanics union who bust up these greedy dealerships.
It’s what I do. I work for one of the largest animal processing companies on the planet. There’s a lot of diversity to be had in my line of work.
@@Carelock That's awesome
Industrial diesel is the best. Engines are easy to access and those machines NEED to be running so you never get told "no" to fix something that will keep the machine reliable and making money
@@melvingibson4525 Absolutely. In my case, the life of a living thing is in the line. They will not hesitate to spend whatever it takes…
Diesel or equipment fleet
Certed techs with their own tools are being offered like $15/hr to work alongside seasoned high paid techs. You can get more money flipping burgers these days and there’s no debt or tests to take. Warranty pay, all the tools required, the push for ASE certs, etc. and this field just destroys your body and leaves you with no retirement plan. Wasn’t worth it for me.
Bro that's what I've been saying. If you're a auto tech starting as a lube tech you won't be making money for Atleast 4 years. If you're a diesel mechanic you could get 2 years under your belt, leave and find a better paying job atleast 18-22 a hr.
@@dakotaalexander9292 that’s why I never worked as a tech in a dealer. They all offer that amount to start out and other shops were willing to pay way more
Same here I stopped applying for automotive jobs when I see that they r paying 20bucks a hour to b a "A" tech. I decided to b a cnc operator, no tools to buy, no ase test. All I do is simple programming and put the panel in and wait. No more busting my hands, no more 6days a week 10hour days....FUCK THE AUTOMOTIVE FIELD.
Not my experience at all. Started at $15. Then moved to $18. Moved to a new dealership after I graduated community college and now I’m at $25. All over the course of 2 years. Yes it’s hard work but it pays off.
@@andybub45 my point exactly.....automotive tech jobs should not be starting at 15 an hour....even if you just a maintenance tech aka c tech. Think about it the 1st year when u was making 15 an hour, some guy is flipping burgers for the same amount and actually getting paid more cause he don't got a tool debt. So idk in my opinion shit is crazy.
I think you should talk about the bs that young techs will deal with. Favoritism with older techs, "stealing money from customers and techs" the huge learning curve etc
Agreed
Yup. It’s definitely there.
He should talk about how SOME, NOT ALL, but SOME, old folks are just a bunch of pricks and should go dig a hole and jump in. Just the most blatant assholes you've ever seen. Not the playful joking that you see and the regular toxic, but just straight assholes. Piss poor pay, shitty co workers, shitty management, way too much tool cost. Flat rate being the ''main'' pay method.
I came out of the construction industry, did that for 8 years. Been doing diesel mechanic work for 2 years. An man was that a learning curve. But finally I it’s like something just broke wide open in my mind an I’m really kicking ass with it, definitely not the best out there that’s for sure. But I’ve never been so confident in something as mechanic work now. I enjoy it very much. An I think as long someone finds themselves just really enjoying it and wanting to learn, they will excel quite quickly.
You got in an indy diesel shop or dealer? I applied at a dealer diesel shop, been doing automotive for 5 years. I do have light duty diesel experience but not heavy. Hopefully i can get in 🤞
Diesel Tech for 7 years. Best choice I ever made
Construction people working on vehicles the disasters you see i tell ya, usually if a automotive guy was to quit and go to construction the work will be more neat n ocd unfortunantly it doesnt work the other way around
@@DJV94022 thanks for your input.
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It is a good career, but I hated flat rate. My income and work/life balance increased drastically after I left the field. I am a bit of an anomaly, after I left the field I got a bachelors in biology and master's in chemistry.
Just a BIT 👌🏻 of an anomaly. Lol.
Good for you sir 🙏🏻. Keep killin it!
I started out as a dealership tech. I went to a GM asep school. I was a tech for a few years and the moved up to a service advisor. In 2008 when the auto industry took a hit I was laid off. I have been working as a maintenance mechanic for a high speed stamping company. If I knew what I know now I would never have started in the auto industry.
Same. I love working on cars, but the industry is terrible. The industry will only change after people stop choosing to be mechanics, and there is a huge mechanic shortage.
@@biometal770 there's one now wtf???
@@justaregularguy3827 Not enough to end the flat rate system.
They think of mechanics as stupid high school dropouts and don't want to pay them more than a Walmart worker. Once you hit 35 , your body breaks down and it becomes a young mans game.
It is a good career , you just have to find the right shop that has a place for you. I’ve been one for 28 years and left the trade 7 odd years ago , but I would recommend it. There are always opportunities
Drive ability and HVAC is where the money is. You can find a job anywhere on the globe.
IT too. IT jobs are everywhere now it seems.
What's driveability?
@@da9ej1eg99drivability is diagnosing a driving problem that may or may not have a CEL. Hesitation, misfire, shudder etc.
@@jfantis just diagnosing it not fixing it...sounds like my kinda job.
@@da9ej1eg99 I know a mechanic working for public transport who just diagnoses buses all day, somebody else does the work of fixing the problem.
Even if you’re a terrible tech you can find a job. 😂😂 the amount of trash technicians I’ve seen in the last two years is staggering.
So there is some hope for me then
@@vinces8974 unfortunately this industry is just looking for warm bodies. I have worked along side a technician who has more comebacks than cars that actually stay fixed for a whole entire year
We had a guy who got fired for messing up too much and ended up in 4 different shops since. He has wanted to come back to us because he got paid the best here. Of course, it was a HUGE no lol.
@@vinces8974 They can find jobs, but trash technicians usually only last 3 to 6 months before getting fired.
@@Dcc357And yet I'm a former Navy Aviation Electrician who just left the Healthcare field trying to offer my skills to the diesel industry, and I've only been given 1 interview in the past few months. Oh well, some day a company will see my value and call. Until then, I'll wrench out of my truck doing side work.
I agree! I am Fleet. 33 ford vehicles. This includes 25 Box trucks. I am learning a ton about Ford. I started my career with John Deere. You are your own limitation. The more you know, the more you grow, the more value you bring.
I'd rather suck my thumb and blame others for my shortfalls 😂
The problem with IT is that it can be done anywhere. Some dude in India with an internet connection can do the same shit that you're doing and frankly likely better. Whatever job you pick it has to be something that can't be "exported." What I mean by that is that a semiconductor factory can, and has been done for years, moved to Taiwan, Singapore, or China. If you're a civil engineer the bridge you're building is going to stay where it is. FRM is right in that an automotive tech needs to touch the car and that some dude in India can't change an engine remotely. I just don't like the industry in other respects.
Software issues can be outsourced but not hardware. You can make well into 6 figures installing, servicing and upgrading server equipment and running ethernet in buildings, especially if your willing to travel. Auto tech is a young guys job, i wouldn't recommend anyone be working in the bays as a W2 employee at a dealership or "we do it all" shop past the age of 35.
Another HUGE issue with IT, depending on what you're doing in the field, is work/life balance. I know even a lot of non-IT jobs aren't just 9-5 anymore in the digital communication age, but IT can be really bad. On-call rotation, answering emails, calls, or text after hours (or worse, on your vacation days), never knowing if you'll be out of work at your scheduled time, etc. Also, companies of all types seem to run understaffed, but it's a chronic problem in IT and has been for decades. The list goes on. When you're younger, it can be a bit more tolerable, you may even feel "important" at first, like you're a needed member of the team. But after a few years if you decide you want to get married, have kids, or a life outside the racket, it gets old quick- and starts to burn you out.
@@davidbuck9977 The problem with this is that in my experience, most hardware positions in IT tend to me lower or mid tier at best. I do know a guy who does exactly what you're talking about in almost every respect, and he does make exactly six figures, but in lives in New York so it's probably like 75k at best when adjust for cost of living. As far as travel goes, a lot of time company has remote customer they will just partner with a local company who will send out some less paid hardware jockey to take care the layer 1 issues. It's interesting you mentioned avoiding one stop shops in auto, as I HIGHLY recommend this in IT as well. Not only is a completely annoying level of IT where you are asked to fix anything that plugs into an outlet- but also, the industry has been trending toward specialization for the last few decades. You get better pay for knowing one topic more throughly, and you will likely have a better work/life balance. MSP's are to avoided at all costs!
I went from automotive to motorcycles, then heavy diesel engines and to industrial mechanical maintenance, yes I agree a lot of paths out there if you go looking and are willing to diversify
As a 30 year plus tech, the industry is geared for high profit return to the shop 1995 shop rate 37.50 tech pay 40% of the labor billed. Today shop tech gets flat rate 23/27 an hour shop rate 250 an hour, not to mention they cut your hours on the ticket.
I got paid 55 percent for 20 years.
@@keithwiebe1787 that was good , my uncle caddy dealer tech 67/97 always got 55% till he retired ( employe retention any one? ) he loved it there. But now you be lucky to get any thing above 15% of the labor rate 37.50
@@sonofmontezuma3732 Got tired of the boss after 20 years, and found a job at Carmax one month later. Worked in an air conditioned shop working from 7 to 4 and didn't have to buy tools, etc. and got paid hourly. Retired last January at ago 61.
20 years in the business nothing more than a High school diploma still out earn my older college educated brother and it looks like skilled techs are more in demand now than they were when I was a kid.
Been a diesel mechanic for around 10 years now from military vehicles to tractors and trailers to now transit buses. There are a lot of paths like you said and people should consider taking advantage of it. If I could give advice to someone younger and looking for a field to get into it would be diesel fleet maintenance. You generally from what I’ve been around can start at higher pay and you’ll learn a lot if you are someone who likes work that is hands on
When you say fleet maintenance what do you mean exactly
I also advice guys the same thing some some buddys sometimes come up to me saying there tired of the dealer so i say look into fleet mechanic
@@StrongerThanBigfootA fleet of semi's or buses or garbage trucks or U-hauls or Amazon trucks that a particular company owns & operates.
@@StrongerThanBigfoot wherever has a fleet of vehicles that go out for the day or however long and then come in for routine maintenance or other misc fixes. Unlike a dealership where you could be working on all different makes and models - fleet maintenance usually you see the same equipment day in and day out which is nice if you run into an issue with one, you’ll know what to look out for with the others. But to each their own if that is the type of work they like, some people like having the ability to work on all different types of vehicles instead of the same ones over and over again
@@ohmy7554 Thanks for the detailed response. I might look into that in the near future.
I have always enjoyed building transmissions and the pay is hard to beat.
I used to be a plumber and in HVAC. The one thing I do have to say about HVAC is that it's extremely complicated. Even the guys with 40 years on their belts come in not knowing the problems. But I really do like working on my own car, so much fun to learn. I think I would have switched years ago, but I am enjoying the complicated side of HVAC.
With the way things are going i would have a shop that specialized in ONLY electric vehicles and heavy equipment. Its moving fast and if your ahead of the curve and are the top dog in the area for working on these newer cars, trucks, equipment, then youll be ahead of the game and can ask top dollar to fix them.
I can tell you the biggest problem I see is starting out and the middle of the industry. You can get a job anywhere paying you to do oil changes. You can always get the lowest rate flat rate. I’ve seen as low as $15 flat rate. Which when times are slow your making 20 hours. If you have some ASE’s I’ve had 4. They want all your ASE,s and 20 years experience or they pay you like crap. Someone has to feed you jobs for flat rate to work.
So this is how the world died with all mechanic quiting and leaving automotive career
Local 701 flat rate union tech here, one wilder outliers from our union is one of the guys left the industry, and with the skills inherited in his career, went on to be a technician at a particle accelerator research facility. There truly is no limit to the possibilities, and could always be used as a spring board for other career aspirations.
An uninterpretable power supply tech will start paid twice as much and even Tesla is payng their Powerwall techs better than their EV techs.Doesn't make zero sense.
I would fuckin' ace that shit. "During our week-long training you will spend two days focusing on stationary batteries and two and a half days discussing either Digital Process Power or Ferroresonant UPS systems. Our senior level support engineers and consultants will share information and insight gathered from years of field experience."
I am certified gold EV too.
Although superconducting a hydroelectric dam and a superconducting magnetic energy storage project would be fucking cool too.
Got YBCO?
The grass is not green anywhere. Times are difficult and it feels like survival of the fittest.
Don't vote for Joe biden and economy should get fix
Fleet work and government is cake
I want to get into the hybrid electric cars and Automotive school isn't there yet so I stopped working on cars and work on semis now
I went from being the lead diag guy, which I didn't like but did it anyway, then we needed a diesel and heavy line tech that could turn a tap, so now I'm back to doing that. I love it. I'm also 6ft 8in tall and 330lbs so I like working where I can move around a bit. The job has its good and bad days, but I still want to go do it every day.
You have Stockholm Syndrome. This is a condition in which a person held captive develops an emotional bond with their abuser. (The Industry that just unjustly fired you.) This can be attributed to isolation from outside perspectives.
I have been in Automotive related my whole life and I am sticking around until I retire and maybe beyond. I would recommend the Automotive field if its your cup of tea because we need more Techs in the Industry. Great video Mike as always these videos are spot on.
I’ve been a tech at kia, 2 Honda dealers, Toyota and ford. Never been laid off or fired I’ve always quit because the favoritism, bullshit excuses why they can’t send me to school and a bunch of issues with giving me bigger jobs because of my age but I’ve graduated from unoh for high performance motorsports and worked in the auto industry all throughout my time at school so I’m very familiar with the high performance and consumer vehicles and understand it very well but with my age a lot of managers and shops think I’m full of crap when I say I can do something and it’s also very difficult to get those bigger jobs so I can prove them wrong. I’m not the fastest by all means but I take pride in my quality of work vs speed. I can’t stand having comebacks or making mistakes but they do happen and I always own up to them when I do screw up. I’ve been debating getting out of the auto industry for plenty of reasons but a lot of the old guys that were the top guys at the shops I’ve been too have always said it’s just an age thing and once you get older then a lot of my problems I’m having now will slowly go away but the stress and frustration I have from people not trusting me or saying I’m incompetent and is not willing to give me a chance is playing a toll on my mentality and it’s hurting my mental health. I go in open minded and willing to learn and keep improving and getting more training but I always get some bull crap excuse and it’s just frustrating today
Sounds like you should start a mobile mechanic business or open your own shop. I would start doing side jobs and promoting on facebook until you make the full transition.
High end cars are fine.
I rarely get under 60 hours a week and occasionally I hit 100.
Rich people still have money. Don't go work for Ford or kia. Go work for bmw or audi.
After a major injury as a young guy, I’ve deceided to give up on the dream. Id love to be wrenching but all things considered with myself and the industry it doesn’t seem worth it anymore :/ before I hear any BS, this is just my personal experience.
I went from heavy line flat rate to being a aircraft mechanic and spent 10 as a flat rate and 30 as a aircraft mechanic before I retired 6 years ago
Industrial and heavy duty field mechanics are starting out at $23-25 and the top is $45-50
Went from flat rate technician of 25+ years to performing ADAS calibrations on vehicles after they've been in a collision. Only tools i need now is a tape measure and a laptop.
Agree, no one left (look at the ads ANYWHERE!) $50.00 flat rate hour many places in Florida!
This is the only industry where you can literally do all the things. Janitor, painter, plumber, welder, hydraulic tech, trash man, forklift, computer hack, tool collector, vehicle pusher, service writer, and so many other tasks not related to your job but are forced to do anyhow. Get started being a slave for the automotive industry today!!!
Hell no lmao dealer life sucks between favoritism and warranty times/promising customers things that are unreasonable. Tech and healthcare jobs consistently pay more, just get the degree.
It’s a great career if you have the knowledge and can get things done.
But figure out your next move when you start to age once you hit your 50’s your body is done.
I had a choice 40 years ago to go into automotive but decided on aviation…went to A&P school and got my license…ended up my last 20 years working for United as a tech and then Inspector…making $55.00 an hour keeping your hands clean and being in a union with benefits like matching 401K and monthly retirement benefits when you retire…I took a big lump sum !!…lots of overtime if you’re hungry…techs making over 200K a year….there is a hiring push right now especially at United…now doing diagnostic work specializing in Corvettes down here in Florida since retiring…with EV’s coming quickly and with these cars needing hardly any maintenance the auto tech jobs will be few and far between in the future…THINK AHEAD !!
Been a tech since 1992 .. i do bumper to bumper all makes and models .. master tech certified... 40.00 an hour flat rate .. id kick my kid in the face if he said he wanted to be a tech ... so much easier work for the money out there in 2023
I have a background in IT, I can see the cutting throat aspect but that's just in any job. Nothing is guarantee in life for nobody in general if you are not working for yourself.
Im the head heavy line tech for my local municipality.. only part i can complain about is trying to fit my fat self inbetween the cab and frame for wiring harnesses.. common failure when your garbage truck drivers dont wash the trucks and the juices eat the wires
After reading a lot of the comments below, I have to disagree. You can make a fortune starting out as a lube tech at a dealership. Dealers need qualified techs really bad. Where most people go wrong is their attitude. You can be fresh out of high school, but if you have the right mentality, and are willing to work hard, you will be rewarded. A dealership has to invest a lot of money into a new tech, so they pay close attention to how you conduct yourself. Once you prove yourself to be a good employee, they'll send you away to your first class. That's your goal. The more comfortable they feel in trusting you, the more you get.
Lube techs don't just do tires and oil changes. If you show promise, they'll let you work with regular techs. I have several lube techs, with less than a years experience, pulling dashboards, taking doors apart, installing racks, and all kinds of jobs that you'll almost never see in the aftermarket. After a couple of years, or so, you should have no problem making a fairly easy $1000 a week. As long as you can be mentally strong for the first few years, the hard work will pay off. And if you are working at a place that doesn't treat you right, quit and go somewhere else.
Where are you located?
@@zoticus1 Originally I'm from NY but living experience are so out of control, I ended up moving to FL. You can make great money in NY, but you can't keep any of it. I don't really like living in FL, but its a fairly well run state compared to most of the other ones.
Lol $1000 a week isn't much dude
@@magnumjohnson9628 Hey dude man, maybe you should have read my post. All of your factory training is free and its better than any trade school. So your education is completely paid for. I also said it can be an easy $1000 a week. That statement implies that it can be higher. If you need help reading, let me know.
How many times have we heard this BS sales pitch? It’s the same old ruse to keep flooding in entry lvl workers to do the grunt work for low pay. Hard work in this industry won’t get you anything except bad knees and a bad back. Don’t fall for it kids.
Being an auto tech for 20 I was able to become a branch manager of a property maintenance company. Originally hiring on as the fleet technician
I miss the revel in the background.
It’s about being happy doing it
Got to be happy like it’s not a job but enjoy doing it and feeling good about yourself
The thing that's getting to me is the pay is really getting to me after 5 years. All the tools you need is also crazy.
NO WAY ! The industry is rapidly changing to electric .
The pay is ok but the benefits suck. All the money you have to spend on tools it’s not worth it. I worked in the field for a couple of years. Became an electrician and a maintenance manager and glad I did.
Ive been going to high schools in my county preaching the same thing to students. My dealer will even pay for them to community college auto tech program. Still, almost no kids sign up. They are brain washed that 4 year college is the only option. Our stock as seasoned techs is rising. And rising quickly.
Kids are dumb these days
I have the highest respect for this guy
Love this video! Big takeaway never stop growing and learning!
Im in the process of building a high-tech auto repair garage. I'm my area in the few years. I know two shops that are shutting down owners retiring and not leaving for the techs. The Snap Zeus plus can be hooked up to my 2021 yahama grizzy, ATV, and I can code data on that on that unit.
You know, I really appreciate this perspective.
17 year Master/Expert Volvo tech with BEV/PHEV certs and 9 ASE's. I made over $120k/year and was always the top tier tech in my three dealerships. I left this industry last year and actively encourage all kids and adults to stay away. DO NOT GO TO A DEALERSHIP TO WORK ON CARS!! Why? TOO many cons to list.
UTI = over charging crap schooling. I had four apprentices from UTI/SAFE and only one remains in the industry. They all were terrible and couldnt do an oil change without supervision despite the "schooling".
Dealerships = professional thieves and scam artists. Long hours. No respect. Poor benefits. Hendrick automotive and other dealers make you work on holidays (July 4 and memorial day)
Warranty time = labor theft and scams. Imagine working 8 hours of the day and only get paid 3. That is scamming warranty times that steal from the technicians to fix their poorly engineered vehicles.
THE ICE COLD TRUTH
What would you recommend and what do you do now?
@@jacobe3861 I am a military contractor. If you have automotive or truck repair experience, i highly recommend you look into government or contracting jobs. Just search 'combat vehicle mechanic'. You'll find plenty and have the ability to travel the world.
@@jacobe3861 Not sure what happened to my reply but i am a military contractor living in Europe now. Get paid fantastic money and work barely 40 hours/week. If you have repair experience, search indeed or other sites for "combat vehicle mechanic". You can travel the world and make good money working alongside the military. I also worked for the local city police garage and maintained their police cars. I loved that job but paid too little.
It seems to me that every profession has it down and complaints
What got me into doing automotive was the movie ... gone in 60 second .
Lol really
Thanks.
It's better than being a house painter. If I could do it again, Fleet and govt work is the way to go! And if you have some money you can go to trucking school and get a CDl , which makes you more valuable For govt and police automotive employment.
Worked at Sears in 2001-2006 and at a engine shop at the same time back in Detroit around that time made it up to their highest position Tech 4 earning my ASE's in my early 20's after that finally found a job as an Aviation technician here in Chicago since 2006... since moving here I volunteered for free as a biomedical technician learning the craft for 6 months rather than go to school, it was to easy and quite boring. I then got training to receive my CDL then went to school for heavy duty trucks/ equipment in Dekalb, IL Kishwaukee College to become a fleet technician or work on trains in case the Airlines lay off. Did all this while working at the airlines. I worked many jobs McDonald's, Wendys, restaurants washing dishes, meijer, kmart, walmart and more when I was young catching the bus and my car got stolen at meijer so I was back again on the bus.. To anyone no matter your age and to the young generation... never give up on your dreams... don't become materialistic with cars and motorcycles and unnecessary stuff until you accomplish your career first and then everything else will fall into place later on in life. For me in my early 20's in automotive I spent all my money on school, my matco tool box and tools and had to wait for the R6 I wanted, 2g eclipse turbo ect.. I wanted to be independent and not live in my parents house forever. At age 42 now I have the R6 and eclipse now. I have adult step kids that I try to teach them this principle and about their future but they are lazy and refuse to listen... Don't become like them!!! Focus on your future first and get a job with a 401k match, be versatile in your craft and be ready to venture out into different career fields if needed. Look out for yourself as jobs and people may let you down. This world has changed since the 90's. Hard work pays off! Age 42 I'm back in gymnastics, still doing boxing...and always wanted to run track and field in the Olympics these are my goals and dreams in my mind; if your mind can perceive it, then it can be done, thats how I choose to think. So many times I failed those Ase test until passing and I've been working on cars since I was a kid with my dad but I never gave up because I hate loosing and giving up! Keep trying and never give up regardless of your age just don't be lazy, I can't stand laziness and people with excuses that feels the world owes them everything and they don't have to work in life. I grew up poor living in a house in Detroit where the roof leaked when it rained, no heat, and electricity bc me and my dad fell on hard times, we even had a homeless guy we picked up off the street living with us. I never complained and I'm very grateful for my good and bad experiences in life... thats how we learn and improve even when we take risk because I did, and not always did they turn out like I hoped. Listen to the Flatrate Master, he has the experience and even at my age I'm sill learning from him. I'm not the smartest person I just keep trying and refuse to give up or give in.
I'm 28 and considering becoming an autotech coming from a restaurant dishwasher background. I like to be hands-on with my work.
Also been a Honda Enthusiast with basic knowledge of engine repair and maintenance.
Is it too late to start?
Nope!
This new practice of independent shops letting go of older higher paid techs might be new. But any dealership tech will tell this has been common practice in the dealer world for decades. You’re just number, so get in there make the best of the situation and move on before they do. It’s sad and I totally don’t agree with it, but if you know what your dealing with you can minimize the damage to yourself.
I want to be a foreman, topdog and such.
Left the dealerships and service a couple of years ago. Engineering Technician at a OEM is the way to go. Don't have to deal with dumb customers anymore with that petty pay.
Just get into a gov fleet and chill . Moneys decent benefits and work life balance are insane .. they literally tell
Me to burn my leave time 😂😂😂
If it’s not a natural thing and you are just looking for money then find it somewhere else
If you can’t stay away from the shop and you’re thinking about fixing something then it may be your thing
Don’t worry about the money, if you are not happy doing it then walk off
Your only as good as the last car you worked on
Best advise build clientele and find a small shop. Be your own boss the dealers are trash 🗑
And remember, the grass is always greener under your weiner. 😂
All new mechanics insult old mechanics and then want to borrow tools I have no need for the new mechanics.
I think Mike is biased because he's been really lucky to stay at the same shop for so long, but now the seal is broken, I have a feeling he will change his opinion in the next couple years if he doesn't leave the industry. Its way worse than he thinks. Once you break your seal, the average job last 3-9 months. Unless he wants to settle for a whole lot less than what he's used to
That is dependent upon the tech and shop.
Most employers only care about the bottom line and nothing else
Forget playing with tools, I go to work to make money. I'm currently a shop Foreman for a large utility grossing over 200k a year and I'm leaving it to be an apprentice lineman. Lineman in southern Cali making up to 500k a year
Now is there a place in the industry for a mechanic of 20 years, with no other training or experience. That's the point I am stuck at right now in my life. Not really sure where I can take my knowledge and certs and still make decent money. Would be curious to hear your thoughts on where to go within the industry when you are done wrenching.
If you are good, and work for a brand, you can usually move to different positions like shop foreman or specialize in something. For example, if you're tired of swapping engines and transmissions, specialize in something like diag work. Or you can move to corporate and do things like tech support, or teaching.
@@AT-wl9yq In my case I am forced out due to injury and restrictions and where I was working fired me. I tried looking for several months, but no one wants to hire someone with no experience, at least not at a living wage.
Big problem is they do not want gas/diesel vehicles so I could see banning of parts past year model or something to force people to buy bicycles or walk to work.
Good episode.
should you become an auto technician FAWK NO......
The job sucks,would never allow my kids to get in automotive.
can who is buying all the equipment who paying for the training?
Does flat rate master have a job lined up yet
You would be better off telling a person you got out of prison for murder than you were and automechanic
So you weren’t very good as a tech?
And if you're prone to making bad career choices, you can be an aircraft mechanic.
Automotive - NO!
not unless you got access to dealership proprietary software coming soon. lol
Not really the industry will chew you up and spit you out. especially when your body wears out. Unless you own the shop and make good money.
its basically not worth it.
Domino's
Deff not, There are better ways to make money..... As for instant fix gratification sure, no one tells you the Crappy customer who looks at its your fault the car broke down a/c broke down etc.... Also Starting out tech, your on crap money. When your at a workshop your expected to do 5-6 jobs for same money....
Home appliance repair
"Is auto repair a good career in 2023"? It depends on the indevidual.
I'm not even gonna watch the whole vid just read justinkerns1023 comment 😂😂
Unless you like 5 fat salesman breathing down your neck and trying to steal your paycheck.
No
If you are young and good looking,,,,,,,,,,,then no!
You shouldn't be a technician in any year . This trade is a joke & doesn't pay what your worth . It's even worse when you find out the arrogance , favoritism & fuckjobs . After 3 years of being told good tech would make $65,000 a year & wound up with half of that.
Hailey automotive in Montana 120000 salary ++++ in Hailey Montana
Send a moving truck
@zoticus1 give them a call its Hailey automotive I think they will move your tools and give you 10000 moving and sign on bounes. But the cost of hosing is high
It's worth it until you've learned all you want/need to learn. After that, shit is garbage. When the pay matches the work, I'd say it's worth it.