AE Biography - The Carpenters: Harmony and Heartbreak (Pt 4)
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- This episode of A&E Channel's 'Biography' series aired in 1998.
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If there was 1 person I'd ever like to meet and give a big hug to it would be her and I'm primarily into heavy rock and metal. As a drummer and also from everything I've read or watched she seemed like such a rad, down-to-earth woman with IMO the best sounding female voice in history. She had some great chops as a drummer, wish there was more of her playing drums out there because she was awesome on some of the clips I've seen and older concerts behind the kit. So beautiful and real. Makes you wish you knew her personally, it really kills me. She died when I was 5 :(
+Joseph Schmoe I'd like to go see her kit someday at the Performing Arts Center and pay my respects at the cemetery. If I ever met Richard I'd probably go full-on fanboy dork on him. lol
+Joseph Schmoe I'm sure he's moved on with life and everything, but if I ever met Tom Burris I just might get a really strong urge to punch the guy right in the face. To be honest.
i had to pause from laughing so hard after the narrator called Richard "Karen's boring brother"!!! 🤣🤣🤣 he just straight up says it. Lol
Richard doesn’t seem to understand that his sister’s solo album was a major breakthrough for her, emotionally and mentally. She really expressed her maturity with her album, free from the constraints from family. The album was also a testament of her great skill of singing the high notes equally well.
the picture at 8:44 tells alot...look at the mom huggin on Richard, and Dad standing proud...then Karen...wonder what she was thinking in this photo. Dad should of put his arms around her... damn!!!!
I don't want to judge, just deep sympathies for both of them, what a journey through highs and lows... and wonderful music
The solo album - SEXUALLY EXPLICIT??!?!?
HOLY TIPPER GORE, BATMAN!
How dare he (Richard) say that the material on her solo project was "unsuited for Karen"...I've heard every track and "every track" sounds Great!! Poor Karen, He was envious of her success!! She had no support at the time, what a shame and disgrace that her brother couldn't support her and put aside his own ego!!!!
Well I heard the album too and I thought it was garbage. Richard told her not to do disco and he was right to do so. The songs were not arranged in the best key for her voice. Richard knew her voice better than anybody and that's why so many of her songs were hits. By the way, he was the one who wanted her to be a star and thus had her sing upfront rather than playing the drums. Strange thing to do for somebody who's jealous.
Dare I ask if Richard had a love interest knowing how controlling their mother was I never heard of it.
Richard married their cousin Mary!!
@@tweetybird2968 Mary Rudolph was their adopted first cousin; they are not biologically related. His previous girlfriends were chased off by Agnes and Karen.
I love Karen her voice is beautiful and it's a a hard disorder to battle I've had it since I was 5 and now 49
I think Richard needed to understand that Karen had a right to evolve and develop as an individual.
Wow, Agnes never believed in going outside the family for help? Meanwhile, she had a son who was addicted to quaaludes and a daughter who was starving herself to death....
As much as I loved the Carpenters, and I really was OBSESSED with them, (mainly Karen's voice)I HATED those awful TV "specials". They were embarrassingly BAD - totally cringe-worthy!
‘70s “specials” were excruciating. The only ones worse than The Carpenters’ were Cass Elliott’s, which were laden with appalling fat “jokes.”
If anyone in your family was ill and throwing up, would you know it? Bulimic vomiting is not a non-gagging, silent event. In a home or household, everyone would know. Caring parents would have taken her over and over to a doctor/hospital and not have waited to the extreme of 78 pounds.
Karen was soo funny. Miss her soo much. :(
Happy memories of her make me feel sad.
Voz de ouro !! Maravilhosamente , Maravilhosa !!!! Igual , jamais !!
I also know that this eating disorder is very hard to beat because all of a son it makes you sometimes not want to eat and over take some things that you shouldn't. It doesn't take over night to fully get over this illness it is very serious and can't be taken likely.
richard was so jealous cause she was the real star
He is an amazing planist
You're going to remotely psychoanalyze the guy based on tabloid journalism? Richard made her a star. He wanted her to sing up front so that the audience could see her.
"The years had taken their toll." Which you did so very little to help. Richard, when will you acknowledge your role in your dear sister's passing?
It's sad that it was handled with such insensitivity by A&M and Richard, but I think he was right in that Ramone had her singing too high, and some of those disco songs on her solo album were horrible.
It's sad that it was handled with such insensitivity by A&M and Richard, but I think he was right in that Ramone had her singing too high, and some of those disco songs on her solo album were horrible.
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If We Try written by Rod Templeton was good...It was in done within her trademark range
I do disagree with Richard Carpenter, when he criticises the upper voice range that Karen employed in her solo album. I think that her brighter upper range communicated just as well as the lower range, if not better for this particular material. Also I like the more "raw" vocal sound - her true resonance - not so much of the double tracking. There were many other attractive features in the solo album with great musicians involved.
devils advocate, I have just listened to the Ramone made songs her voice is there but its not right so imo Richard's and herb alpert were right
I felt sorry for Karen, she married a man who couldn't give her children. Her mother too alas didn't stop the marriage. She would have been better not meeting Tom Burris, it was a sham marriage. Poor Karen needed proper help & guidance but then if she denied she had a problem who could help her. It would have been confusing for everybody from her colleagues to her family. If only her marriage had of worked & she was able to have children it would have given her a reason to live, live for her children. She would have got better sooner & gone on for them. It was a tragedy that nothing seem to go right for her. She was a true victim of stardom yet she was born to be a star & a star she was right till the end.
Nous ne t'oublierons jamais notre très belle chanteuse karen Carpenter tu étais une belle femme superbe pleine d'innocence tendresse douceur amour que tu donnais à tous ceux qui écoutent très belles chansons avec ta très belle voix d'ange car tu es une femme ange pleine de bonté innocence tu aimais tout le monde les proches comme ceux qui sont loin de toi nous l'avions senti a travers très belles chansons et belles phrases mots qui ont envahit nos coeurs et tes messages était reçus et conservés dans nos coeurs même après 33 ans depuis que tu nous avez quitté brusquement ce qui a provoqué une forte douleur dans nos coeurs et même des larmes dans nos yeux jusqu'à ces jours à chaque fois que nous écoutons tes belles mélodies yesterday once more Solitaire etc..comme si ta belle voix d'ange vient du paradis mais effectivement tu es un ange une Femme légende qui ne se répète pas tu étais toujours souriante aimable pleine de tendresse bonté tu aimais tous le monde nous aussi nous t'avions aimé et t'aimons toujours et jusqu'à présent ton nom est planté gravé dans nos coeurs tu a marqué notre vie aucune autre chanteuse n'a réussi à prendre ta place qui es réservé pour toi tu es toujours vivante en nous tes belles chansons avec ta belle voix d'ange nous accompagne dans notre vie après cette longue période de ton absence nous t'aimons toujours et sans fin ta grande valeur est toujours présente en nous nous prions pour toi et demandons au grand Dieu clément qu'il puisse te garder dans son vaste paradis ou tu reposes en paix dans l'attente de nous revoir dans l'autre monde nous t'aimons très belle karen Carpenter ton nom est une belle mélodie love love karen Carpenter.
Well, of course I know that - I have the disc and it's pretty mild stuff - nice, but mild.
I think Tom is a jerk she never should've married him that's was a mistake
When you experience one in a loved one 'close to you' (no pun intended) - that takes them and your family to the edge - and you see parallel symptoms in her friendship group (but not as extreme) you become a little less doctrinaire and a little more nuanced in your approach to causation. At least i did. And I looked into it a fair bit too. But it is of course quite possible that i'm a control freak. I wish !! (never managed to 'control' any of 'em - infact they 'control' me!)
Mike, I don't know if Randy Schmidt is gay, shouldn't matter anyway he still left so much out of that book of his Little Girl Blue, thanks for your comment. I just hope that the world understands that the book was indeed done with NO RESPECT for the Carpenter name. Seems like the people who wouldn't talk to Randy never have a hard time speaking to me, Only difference is I respect the Carpenter name & always will. Eye's ain'ts a talking!!!!
aw come on she checked into a hospital in new york the thing is she wasnt there long enough the therapist never should have insisted she be discharged it was way too soon
Karen checked herself out of Lenox Hill Hospital, taking advantage of Steven Levenkrons absence from New York.
Karen also gained weight in hospital too quickly by tube-feeding, not by exhibiting healthy eating habits.
I thought Karen was great as a solo Singer.. Richard was too hard on her. and I wish she had found true love..what she wanted..and kids.
WOW! How squeeky clean can 2 people get?! It's even to conservative for me! GEEZ!!!!!!!
at 9:38 what did her friend say? It sounds like she said "Yes she was capable of hailing a taxi". That doesn't make any sense to me.
+Lynnette Marcene
I think she meant that KC was able to do the simplest things for herself, something she couldn't do in the suffocating environment she lived in.
Where are parts 1 & 2? Get them please. The only ones out there are in Spanish. I don't speak our understand Spanish.
karen' s album was not released, yet it got bad reviews! i guess from the record execs and music critics....the public may have liked it.....now we have it, a little slick for my taste, but its o.k.
...You really done - him dishing the insults an all?
Agnes was a terrible human and mother.
Yes she was a terrible mother
Todos vemos problemas de Karen pero los del hermano no son visibles no? 🐗🐘🐇🐽
how tall was she?
Karens solo album was less than mediocre. Awful actually. Bad musical arrangements, copycat lyrics, but her voice sounded beautiful. Always did. But that solo album. Eeek.
O yeah he's done. With moonbeams like that he'd be literally 'stupid' to waste any more time on him. We all just got to listen to the music ..... that's all there is now
huh? How could she be ok? She died from it.
Don't come down to hard on the mother she probably tried to hard with her kids.
Yeh- it all goes pear shaped around 1976 with the TV show. Best forgotton. Sending up ‘Close to You’-not a good idea either. She’s lost some of the lustre, bloom and spontaneity (but not the voice)-u can see it in TV skits. She never ‘owned’ the theme (or vocal register) of the solo album. But u can’t blame family for all Karen’s woes (as people do with anorexia) inspite of ‘control’ issues.Njce NOT to see Anna Raeburn oince again!
and what has become of Richard since Karen's death...
@genniirocka
You misunderstand -reason I asked about insider info was because of you being so free with the 'facts' (err -opinions). Its why the feathers are fluffing up and what the source of the'facts' is that puzzling me? There are tons of competing 'facts' re Richard Carpenter surfing the ether and a lot of folk with ever so sharp axes (and teeth/claws) to grind. Im jiust trying to tease out why? And to be honest I aint coming up with any answers -unless he made a helluva lot of enemies (including you).
I wonder if she would've gotten healthy if she got pregnant ?
@Lori Miller From what I’ve read, women with severe eating disorders often have difficulties conceiving. Those who’ve licked the problem often find that pregnancy and childbearing give them an additional reason to keep working on wellness.
blindfold and a cigarette i'm HOT
That's BS I had an 8 -5
Wow -you have got it in for him haven't you. Why? - have you got some connection with him (or priviliged 'insider' information)?
I mean - there are plenty of haters about. I got personally threatened by some dude on UA-cam a few years ago for trying to defend him - who was goling to hunt me down for it and take me out !!. What is it with this whole vitriolic hate thing? And if the guy was gay and covered up -and 'grew' a Beard so what? Common enouigh. It's their musical legacy that matters.
Yeah - your right - even given meself an eating disorder - things is that tends to stack it on rather than take it off. But us UA-camrs are the ultimatre control freaks arn't we?.- we can censor anything and anybody, castigate and exterminate and do it all from the self righteous comfort of our sofas while watching the FA cup. No wonder there's so much obesity. There you are - the treatment for anoirexia is UA-cam .....!
And AGAIN - 'Textbook' - there is NO text book on Anorexia- NOR text book research - and no coclusions - nor experts -everybody whose experienced it or had loved ones who have has their own text book of pain to research. Where you getting this gollops from? You are obsessed and furthermore libelling the bloke to blame him for Karen's death and also very cruel. 'Compelled' - why?- that's the give away - what's your game in all this? NOTHING PERSONAL?- HAVE YOU READ YR OWN COMMENTS ACROSS UA-cam?
But there you go again -how do you know they're facts? -they're just yr bigotted opinions (or ARE you 'in the know' in some privileged 'eaves dropping' way)..And your definition of 'colourful' reads as insulting to others -like when you talkabout his wife producing children like that (its degrading to them). And ridiculous and whatever his 'identity' problems/family issues you shouldn't be doing it. If your not 'emotionally involved' why are you grinding this particularly vicious axe? Get a grip
If you listen to these tracks, I think you'll see that "sexually explicit" is a bit of an exaggeration....
How dare he (Richard) say that the material on her solo project was "unsuited for Karen"...I've heard every track and "every track" sounds Great!! Poor Karen, He was envious of her success!! She had no support at the time, what a shame and disgrace that her brother couldn't support her and put aside his own ego!!!!
Even if it was awful, she should've been allowed to make her own mistakes. She wasn't a 2-year-old. It wasn't his place to interject. Her mom apparently STRONGLY objected to her doing solo work too.
He also could have offered his sister some more constructive criticism about her album, apart from telling her it was "a piece of shit".
Ok - that's done it for me - I'm finished - drawing a parallel with a bloke who mannicles his own male escort to a bed, tortures him and is put inside for it. As it happens Boy George's family live not far from here and I know his (real) story well and it has no parallels whatsoever (whatever trollops you may have read - again!). You can have the last textbook word/'fact' - I'm retiring from UA-cam's subsidiary - 'persecuting Richard Carpenter division' but this time staying away for good.
Anette johnson, karen was 5'4
How do you know? (or are you in some way connected to the 'family')