Us: How close are we?
Them: Close.
Us: OK but how close are we?
Them: Closer than you might think.
Us: ................
With most of the ocean unexplored, I bet 'murica would be having fun scooping up oil spills
(An eco-friendly america,who thought)
Basically its never going to happen people rather move inland to avoid raising sea levels than actually live on the water, they'd have a better chance pitching the idea of self sustaining underground neighborhoods to avoid nuclear fallout.
@The Urban Bourbon Bloke yeah but before that they were saying that it was close and closer and etc.
And I don't know about you but 20 years is not really around the corner for me.
0:04 'Do you ever get an urge to just build a new world?'
Yes, that's why people play minecraft.
Dolphins would've built Atlantis if they had thumbs
They also would be jerking off with fish.
Moreso often than they already do.
Second only to humans brain to body ratio with an estimated IQ around 50-70, your jest may have some truth to it. Behaviors include juveniles passing a puffer fish around getting a narcotic high. I am not joking.
Hurricane: looks good, mind if I stop by?
Thats where the submersible design shines. Like trying to blow over a hole in the ground.
@@chadleach6009 Tell that to the oil rigs in the Golf of Mexico 🤣 I guess you never lived in a hurricane prone area? Actually just look at the picture of Hurricane Katrina when it was a cat. 3. That shit rip up an Oil Rig and had thrown it into the middle of Louisiana.
@@STUMP_ Lol do you know what an oil rig is? It's a big metal kite. think before you speak next time to avoid making yourself look silly.
30 years later still a concept.
ofcourse its still a concept, no one is gonna just randomly fund something like this xD
maybe when we don't have more space they think better on this, nobody wants spend money in a new thing like that, maybe they need more investidors.
it is passed concept, Saudi Arabia, an or Dubai, these place are building out into the oceans around them
@@gaurtaukwhiteangel5779 well thats because theyre filthy stinkin rich. They built their own island. Dubai is already a huge hot sppt for rich people to vacation. Wont surprise me if they do underwater hotels or housing thatll bring in even more tourists l.
It's gonna have to stay coastal. Rogue waves are no joke out in the ocean.
@@oshotz Its already blown up. What you see today in the sky is a hologram.
is a shame that they did not speak much about the design and materials.
All the other things they talk about were obvious and not even needed.
Common problem with seeker videos. Mostly sensationalist thumbnails with basic information
@@metalcake2288 It's ment to be merely an introduction video. You can't talk about many details in under 10 minutes long video. Feel free to use links in the description and Google the other things you want to know...
@@wincification check out coldfusion's videos. Highly informative and typically between 8 and 18 minutes long.
@AngelLestat2 ..these are architects. Construction artists, dreamers, spatial problem solvers. With all the respect they don't and should not know anything about design and materials. That's not their job, otherwise you would call them engineers.
*"How Close Are We to Living in the Ocean?"*
*Spongebob:* Bold of you to assume we haven't already
1:35
*Talks about sea level rise*
*Shows Chicago underwater even though the city is elevated in central North America*
Isn't Chicago the city they had to literally raise up in the 1850's due to it being below the water level of Lake Michigan? How high did they lift it with those jacks? I can't imagine that it's that high now, so it could very well have flooding issues with rising water levels.
@@periculum69 the point is that Lake Michigan's water level is completely unaffected by sea level rise. If anything, it could fall with global warming as the region is supposed to get drier.
Zuberi Chicago where it lies is nearly 600ft above sea level. Imagine it as that The Great Lakes were once at sea level thousands or maybe even millions of years ago, but then the entire continent of North America slowly started rising up in many places, so then the lakes and the water on them rose up with the continent. That’s how they are where they are today and completely unaffected by the oceans rising. Just look at a map dude
That part of Central North America is low enough to be affected by the worst of sea level rise. It's not distance from the ocean, it's elevation.
Space people: so we’ve already gotten a solid invention for housing on Mars, and we’ve been having so much progress in these past few years!
Ocean people: so we’ve already concepted ideas of sea islands and now further research is being done to soon live on the ocean!
People people: okay wait so are we trying to solve global warming? Wh-
_People_ *people* people: shh...
The ocean is more important than Mars at the moment. The moon is too. Two priorities for colonization: ocean, moon.
@@nathan3721 Agree! most ppl seem to be in favor of colonizing the ocean, so I say the ocean it should be then! I mean we practically know more about Mars than we do over 50% of our own planet!
Some similarities to the design of the Atlantis City Ship (Stargate Atlantis)
This is why I want to do ENGINEERING!!
I'm an engineer and its the best decision I've ever made - it's worth the tough schooling
@@fkncompton7124 Environmental engineering - I do a mix of microbial, chemical engineering and renewable energy work.
Advice from an engineer: engineers working on the design of these kind of things are definitevely below 0,05%.
Before you decide to begin university try to understand what the most common engineers out there are working on or you might end up badly disappointed.
The title should be " How close are we to living on top of the Ocean?"
Also this whole video smells like a weird advert for "Oceanics"....
Living in the ocean is correct, do you say "I live on the US" or "in the US"
you've avoided the stormy weather subject, how those kind of villages will survive after smth like Katrina Hurricane ?
The same way villages on land survie. Which is to say they don't survive. Short of knocking the storm off course by cloud seeding there isn't anything that can be done.
it sings under water and seals off all entrances after it detects big windy circle within 3 miles. it will effectively drown anyone outside but save thousands if the big windy thing actually hits it and doesn't turn
I do believe that we are closer than we think because in Rotterdam in the Netherlands there is a floating farm with cows.
Surely the obvious choice of power production for a floating city would be converting kinetic energy from the waves into electricity
Whats up with #WaterWorks? Showering with bottled water is getting kind of expensive.
"We just need a partnership with a city to build the infrastructure for a 1st prototype it's that simple"
Let me introduce you to Bureaucracy .....
*10 Years later* ..... "We finally have the paperwork needed for the zone"
*5 years later* .... "We finally have the construction company on board" ....
*3 Years later, Massive protests on its viability and impact*
Yea this is exactly what I was saying when I heard them say that... "We are closer than you think!" bro you haven't even started to get close yet!
makes sense. if they build it right away it would be like accepting a scam email from a Nigerian seller to send money. usually scams can be seen through by 10 years
"What happend to your house mate?"
"Sank...."
...and then there was this storm...
All your gonna see is a bunch of giant vegan rafts flying through the air Lmao
I can already picture all the vegans packing their bags(and swimsuits)
Man a vegan ocean city? Yeah good luck, some people take good ideas way too far, I bet these are the same kinds of people that created religion out of simple moral codes and stories. Why not eat fish on top of the plant based diet since you are an OCEAN CITY.
Vegan until they smell that first Salmon getting grilled just right... on the beach that's like 50 yards away.
@@St.CrimsonTweets I literally live with meat eaters and don't ever want to eat dead grilled corpses.
@@Ceeckoful you'll also never live in these ocean cities so I wasn't calling you out was i?
Just as now a world without cellphones is hard to imagine, some day a world without floating cities will be unimaginable for some.
@Neil Underwood Hmm this got real weird real quick. But I hope things get better for you.
Well yeah if its resistant to any floods,tsunami and earthquake is it resistant to kaiju attacks?
I hope so. I could live in an aquarium and there’d be no security guard to tell me to get out of the squid tank.
I get it now! All of the plastic in the ocean was thrown there to make it look like home, how convenient!
Have fun with your vegetables, I'll be fishing/shrimping. 😁
if you have 6,000 people floating mostly stationary you would decimate the ocean life for miles in all directions with even a small percentage of fish added to the diet. The whole point of this is to live lightly ontop of that ecosystem and if anyone make it healthier.
@@joe4324 Fish farms are a thing. She even said "aquaponics". That's hydroponic farming, combined with fish farms to reduce the required resources. Extremely efficient.
This city would never survive a significant oceanic event. It's beautiful but, if we want it to survive, it has to be beneath the waves.
Yep, anything left outside will be lost. Unless it is under the water, or covered in a glass dome, dont expect it to last long. The salt intrusion from the air alone will cause endless headaches for growing food without a bubble.
Shout out to the Seasteading Institute and plans to make stateless cities.
Architects : We gonna build humble hexagonal platforms in order to recreate a sense of simple neighbourhood life [...] New urbanism [...] we are so innovative and everything [...] no meat [...] compost and sense of ownership...
Weather : hold my clouds!
"Were quickly running out of frontiers" um, no
I was (am) a fan of Seaquest, and remember wanting the future to be like that, where we would live even under the ocean. Maybe one day.
1:30 No, it is the anarchist Utopia you originally mentioned.
The planting situation in those artist rendering is a joke, to have that many fresh water needing plants, the entire thing would have to be a desalination platform.
@@pedrolmlkzk I say often that I like being wrong, and would love to be here. The first thing I thought of is how I would _make_ it work, aeroponics being obvious for it's efficiency overall, but I don't see full garden lined walkways or towering trees being a normal thing in this environment.
I'll just move inland, thank you
1:04 Not decades, but centuries and arguably even millennia. Much of the older core of Boston actually sits on what used to be open water, as one example. This land reclamation has happened since at least the 1600s, iirc. (It most definitely happened during the 1700s, but I no longer remember the start date off the top of my head, hence why I’m unsure if the 1600s are also included in that figure.) And the Romans expanded Rome by draining the swamps and wetlands beneath the seven hills, building palaces, homes and even part of the Coliseum on what used to be water and/or swampy soil. Never mind that some of their harbor structures are built of concrete that has weather millennia of erosion by the tides- a feat that would be impressive for even modern concrete. To say cities have only been expanding into water for a few decades at this part of the video implies it’s a recent development, when we’ve had and used the technology to reclaim land for millennia. _Floating_ cities, on the other hand are a much more recent possibility. Although, there’s again room for debate when you examine some past civilizations’ technological feats. (Looking at you Tenochititlan and Zheng He.)
and then a hurricane comes along and destroys the entire city lol.
tho i'm sure they already thought of such an obvious problem.
Do they? Srry, just came from a Fukushima video. I would thought THEY thought about that little issue...
I wonder if Oceanics worked with Jacque Fresco?
and then the shark solo sub would be the go to vehicle :P
Love it!
Environmental focus. Very good. Immediate issue I noticed that wasnt addressed (almost). The cities blocking the ocean from the sky. While encouraging coral, letting in sunlight, and being green on the city is good, my first concerns was CO2 levels. While the sunlight will help existing underwater plants, the sheer surface areas of these cities will block any Oxygen from coming in from the atmosphere. Maybe have algae farms connected to the ocean to promote oxygen and have a food source that can be used for the general population or to bait fish as needed
I’m designing a floating city for a geography project. Here’s the idea for my notes so far. If anyone wants to give me any ideas or help it’d be appreciated. Also I realise natural disasters like tsunamis would be something that a floating city couldn’t really be protected against, so I’ve come to the conclusion that I’ll just have to build it somewhere that is is sheltered and can’t have tsunamis or tropical storms and where there is never any earth quakes.
Geography Project: Design a City
I’m going to build it floating on the ocean by the coast. I’ll need to go and watch that seeker video again. There’ll be a hyperloop system that is constructed under the sea bed. This will be built by accessing the undersea area via the land. People in the city will be able to access the hyperloop system by going to mini entrances on the outside (like in New York) as well as a few central stations similar to main train stations. You will go down through the water in water tight lifts inside pressurised tubes that’ll be lowered into pre-fitted holes on the sea bed. Travelling to the city from the land will also be done through a hyperloop that links the two. Basic Needs(water, food, energy): Water is an easy one; the city is built on the ocean so water will just be extracted and filtered so humans can use it. The stuff filtered from it will either be used for other things or just dropped back into the water. Food is more complicated. This is supposed to be sustainable and carbon neutral, so we can’t really be farming with cows, pigs, chicken and such. We can grow plants though, something that doesn’t have to take up too much lateral space. I’ll have to go back and look in my book at the ways of growing plants inside but I think it’ll just need some UV lights, warm temperatures
And mist with all the nutrients the plants need to grow (water, nitrogen, carbon). The carbon is a good one. I’ll have to have a look on the internet at this but I think you could get a system that will extract CO2 from the atmosphere or maybe there’s even carbon in sea water from pollution. Energy shouldn’t be too hard. Seen as there really be much need for roads due to the hyperloop, we can ascribe more space for solar panels. All the roofs will be solar panelled and there’ll be huge battery stations on the sea bed I think. Also hydro powered energy seems like an opportunity that would be stupid to ignore given the environment. There’ll be that, and if those aren’t enough I’ll just put wind farms in at a little bit of a distance from the main part of the city to avoid disruption.
I can't wait to sleep next to my garbage I threw in the bin 2 weeks ago.
Architects love to draw. This aquatic city is just that - drawings. Have they ever considered rogue waves? I think it's safer to build the habitat underwater.
larger waist water treatments use less energy then smaller ones , this means that you want to collect waist water from a lot of users which means you have to connect them with pipes that can move the waist water but pipes that bend tend to not last well in the places they bend and leak which if you are in the water means it would leak into the water you are living on , and if you want lots of small water treatment facilities then your energy usage is exponentially higher and that energy CAN NEVER BE UNINTERRUPTIBLE like what you get from solar or wind or wave
That's cute, but the Seasteading Institute has been on this for years.
Still, since none of these projects has led to an actual village/city yet, the more of these projects the better!
Sea birds and fish would be all the "meat" I'd need to go with the fruit and vegies, so it's fine with me. XD
I think that one ladies mic muffled what she was saying lolol
I'm glad they touched on the fact that the oceans are coming to us as opposed to the other way around.
The best way is to construct a tubular anchor that goes up and down mechanically or some time of buoy inside a tubular anchor so it would stabilize the movement of the floating city. When the tide goes up, the city goes up as well or vice versa. Instead of worrying about different types of movements in the sea.
I really enjoyed this video and request more. Keep them coming I'll watch every one
Beautiful but this looks like a 2220 kinda thing. I would be long dead by the completion of this project
Yeah, but that's the same mindset all these old people running the world into the ground have.
The platform arrangements look just lovely, BUT, have you ever looked at how treacherous ocean waves are during a storm! Have you watched huge ships trying to survive them! There would have to be some sort of --- gyroscopic leveling system, but even so it might be better to have the capacity to submerge during rough seas?!? I'm a 74 year old woman. Scared shitless of sharks, but totally facinated by this huge water surface of ours! I want to live in your city on the sea! Maybe my next life!!😁👍
We all know where this is going: the richest people will be able to live in a safe and ecological place leaving phisically behind all the problems of the earth (lack of energy, water, food etc).
Good work! I love these genius architects, mostly unable to solve even the minor and most common city problems, they just want a blank page to start dreaming.
Rest in peace Le Corbusier.
they completely forgot about how they can farm fish
@@davidboesgaard7996 If you farm them, the only ones yanked out of wild population are the initial breeders. Same concept as a fishery, they could in theory increase wild populations with strategic releasing.
You think if people from New York City move to those floating cities there gonna stay as clean and nice?
New Yorkers won't even move to Staten Island. I don't see them move on floating islands any time soon.
Would easily live there looks amazing🙌💧
This is a pipe dream for many reasons. Salt water - and its vapor - is _incredibly_ corrosive. Metal rusts faster, non-metal deteriorates faster. Galvanic corrosion is an issue as well. Maintaining these floating communities would be a nightmare.
Watching that the film "Elysium" comes to mind.
@MIchele Curlee seriously, do u ready read about the Titanic disaster? That doesn't make sense bro lmao
Мир : WaterWorld was apocalyptic....yes, I know the Titanic story very well...started out a triumph of technology, ran into a tragic force of nature. It was a pun...geesh! A superior , godlike design ( see definition of Titanic), brought down by a form of water. ...abstract thinking 🤔 P.S. ...why would we be trusted to take any better care of the ocean, than we have the land? We’ve already gotten a jump start in trashing it...It’s just getting hard to stay positive about human plans with profit higher on the list of priorities than survival...hmmm, kind of reminds me of the lifeboat short Titanic! ✌️🖖
Tourism definitely, we have all it takes to build it, under water!
You guys have been pumping out some real quality content. Either that or the guy who cones up with the thumbnails and titles really kbows what their doing
I'm looking forward to seeing you all move out there.
Wait, if the main cities are going to get the effects of sea rising, does that mean that the cities will be a bunch of Atlantis's thousands of years later...
Great video! Thanks so much for the great content!
Then you face the a storm where winds from nothing to hundreds of kilometers an hour and these things just blow away.
We aren't close at all!! You are not getting any water or liquid to drink there because it takes time and lots of energy to make drinkable anything even with the help of solar panels and such cool stuff you still can't get much water out of that energy.
What? Reverse osmosis exists and it's not that hard to make use of... The middle east already does that on large scale.
@@tobiasL1991 How you get Soo much water out of it to hydrate hundred people in a day?
@@farmminer4014 Straight from wikipedia:
The world's largest RO desalination plant was built in Sorek, Israel, in 2013. It has an output of 624,000 m3 a day. It is also the cheapest and will sell water to the authorities for US$0.58/m3.
Just look at the price of the water and you'll see it can't be using massive amounts of energy because it would cost vastly more.
And look at the output, scale is not a problem. So making usable water is very likely one of the smallest problems when talking about cities on water.
@@tobiasL1991 floating on ocean? You can't make that huge plant float on top of water also I was talking about those ones what can float on water in middle of a ocean. But I see your point, the thing is is it really plausible to make it middle on a ocean (tsunamis safe etc) one what can hydrate hundred people and and more?
There's plenty of land to inhabit before we jump into the ocean. We should figure out different terrestrial options first.
Think bigger guys at "BIG architects", we need to become type-1 civilization, so instead of hexagonal floating units, better solid option is land reclaimation, plenty of unused mountains we can cut and fill in the ocean, creating island paradises, since the Earth keeps generating and giving us more earth from volcanoes.
Remember about the less resistance path rule. It would probably be way more expensive to do that than what these people are proposing.
@@MrAnritco that's a problem though! Less resistance.. those hexagon units won't resist tsunamis, heavy tidal waves, and bad storms! It's an incredibly tough sell for investors to build entire cities on them! Their investment can sink down the ocean floor, literally speaking!!!
@@kingslayer2553 i am not talking about the physical resistance of the elements against the structure itself, but as a rule of thumb that humans follow when it is about investment and effort applied.
@@MrAnritco yes i gotcha bro nic, we have 8 billion of us plus technology, land reclaimation shoudnt be too difficult. itll be a long term beneficial solution over the stress of living in constant fear and insecurity of the hex floats sinking
This sounds like a really interesting plan. I would love to see it in action one day. As far as I know though this has been happening in Lake Titicaca since time out of mind. They build on reed floats of some sort. I am sure there are other places that do this too. Venice must have something, Florida and Netherlands too. As far as livable places in this solar system go though, tropical oceans seem pretty attractive, certainly many steps up form the moon or mars! Also I imagine the water would help to regulate the temperature in the city too.
Correction: Living *on* the ocean
Imagine just being able to throw plastics directly in the ocean
That would be cool to build something like that. Floating cabins you wouldn't need a lot of power it would be a good starter.
Best test sites for floating homes would be tourist resorts on lakes. House boats have been around for quite a long time already. Things could be tested with a mobile population that can be evacuated for any serious storm.
Why did you show Chicago under water if it don't sit nowhere near a coast 🤦♂️
Chicago has 28 miles of coastline along Lake Michigan and averages only 20 feet above the lake.
@@juanrobles901 New Orleans has coastline only along the Mississippi river and Lake Pontchartrain, yet WE BOTH know that those waters are a threat because they are open to the Gulf of Mexico and ultimately the ocean. Since Lake Michigan empties into Huron, Erie, Ontario etc and is open to the ocean via the Saint Lawrence Seaway and Great Lakes Waterway as well as Illinois Waterway to the Gulf of Mexico via the Illinois River (from Chicago) and the Mississippi River. Any rise in ocean levels will back up those rivers and give the snow melt in Lake Michigan no where to go and result in a rise of water levels that could conceivably flood Chicago. We are all connected by our world wide environment, not just isolated communities.
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I’m totally down for the idea, but what I want to know more about is logistics? Of the 300 per neighborhood, how many would work for the sustainability of their lifestyle(farmers, recyclers, waste handlers, ocean farmers, technicians, administration, management, etc.) vs those that would just live there and remotely work? I get that putting multiple together is the end product, but if you really want people to get behind it you need to tell how many people would each neighborhood would actually employ
Whoever makes your thumbnails deserves a raise
When they said that you have to become vegan, I knew then that for me, this is never going to happen.
Another awesome idea/concept/project that I am totally on board for and interested in, that will probably not happen in my life time, and or I will not have the ability/time/resources to partake in :(
Going to space sounds absolutely cool but you know what's better than just plain old cool? We got oceans right here we don't need to go up when we can go down.
We've been told for decades that the world is going to end. At least now it is going to happen in 12 years.
Notice they immediately went to resort cities and university $$$$$$$$$$$$
Smh sad... Research stations for universities as a whole to place labs and scientists on the ocean would make more sense. Rent out labs.
I really want to live underwater, as it's cooler down there than on the surface and I have severe temperature circulation problems. So if a city like this had an underwater lab, I would immediately volunteer to work in it.
@@iwiffitthitotonacc4673 just have to get cost of ownership reduced for facilities and the technology to make manufacturing said facilities cheaper either on site or barge them to spot and sink em.
A significant design element to be lacking is isolation of the living quarters from outside motion. You don't just need it to be stable enough to stay afloat. There are a lot of technologies, hobbies, games and daily tasks that require or are greatly inhibited by the lack of a level surface. At least a single 12X12 room on each of these housing units should be isolated from the motion of the rest of the structure.
I think the thing about this that is most ambitious is the lack of defensive strategy, as it assumes an end to human conflict. It assumes that an aggressive party won't attempt to literally sink an entire city. Given the literal billions it would take to develop something like this, it could all be sunk with a well-placed torpedo or sub-ocean nuke. Also...how does it handle Tsunami?
Then a hurricane happens and it all over. I live where the ground shakes all the time already. I don't need to live with that and a chance of sinking into it.
Ok but can you do a flip?
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The fractal pattern is the future in general. It is basic yet efficient hence why bees use it. It is why bees and even people in certain societies use it. I love this idea
"Stop Eating Animals and Embrace a plant based diet" While there are Trillions of fish beneath their feet.
Yeah. That was purely that woman's opinion, she was injecting it into something that should be more professional.
hardly. The purpose of these cities is to leave the environmental footprint as small as possible. The oceans and shores are helplessly overfished as they are and we can't rely on them as a food source, especially considering that there might be living hundreds of thousand of people in these cities. A plant based diet, maybe accompanied by insects and a small amount of aquaculture seems most likely. But as a start, a plant based diet is simply the most efficient way to eat, due to minimal amounts of trash and carbon emission.
@@futureaests2170 it's not like you couldnt eat fish in a reduced fashion or farm them, you could also use the left overs as compost. Fish have a lot of good nutrients for plants after all
You had me until you said "no meat" diet. lol Import beef and chicken. Hell, at least fish!
Merv Johnson it’s because it would be impossible to live full sustainably by having livestock, because livestock eat most of the food a civilization produces so it’s very inefficient, so it’d make sense that they would cut it out to save resources, I’m not a vegan at all btw I love meat, I’m just explaining why they’d want to have a meat only diet.
@@JamecBond Meatard ass wipes are very annoying, enslaving animals and destroying the environment for everyone just so that eat a burger they don't even need all while calling others annoying and selfish, egotistical without having the self awareness to grasp that vegans value others over their own ego unlike meat eaters
To resupply the cities they could use automated mini cargo submarines to deliver all the supplies they need like clothes, medicines, tech and most important *meat* . When the sub is empty it would return to its supply point and await further orders.
They could even be hung over the edge of cargo ships and as the ships arrive at a port, if the port has a floating city then the subs could load up supplies, drop from the ship and make it's way to the settlement, unload it's goods and return to it's mother ship without the ship itself having to stop or change course.
fantastic show, a great idea to open up options for colonization away from the land so the land can heal and grow again. One technology they mentioned was OTEC or oceanic thermal energy conversion or the best form of solar energy that also mines minerals and metals from the ocean and produce water along with supporting a fish hatchery is what I call it. This topic alone deserves its own show along with Plasma gasification of waste streams that would help this venture greatly and plastic harvesting from the ocean for energy.
Whadya say, Seekers, would you move to an experimental city in the ocean?
Probably not, lot's of problems with this idea
A lake resort sounds good to start with.
Would I? In a HOT SECOND!
Count me in!!! Lived on our sailboat for years and LOVE it. We were very self sufficient with our solar power & RO for fresh water. WHAT IS TAKING SO LONG??? Saw this or very similar ideas long ago.
for an experiment, i could pack in 5 minutes... to move in, i would need to see it in action, and prob also have money for it (lottery or blind experiment :D )... this is big and expensive project, i dont think this dandy wandy *group or whatever sorted all of the engineering problems it holds, also this reminds me of venus project too much... we arent aware as an society still to achieve this without private ownership and problem of huge profit which it pursues...
The Dictator approve, floaty Whaidya isa very nice.