24. The Life and Times of John Calvin (part 2)
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- John Calvin became the dominate influence in the city of Geneva for some 15 to 20 years, and in spite of critics who blame him for the death of Michael Servetus, his impact for good can hardly be overstated. Calvin was especially important in the development of English Puritanism, and Scottish Presbyterianism, both of which contributed heavily to the framework for American Constitutionalism. His commitment to education, health care, compassion for the poor and ill, together with his powerful intellect in defense of the Reformed faith, combined to produce an indelible impact that continues to shape the world to the present day.
Thank you very much for your lecture & knowledge. You helped so much about my faith and my country of USA. May the Lord bless you & continue to use you, your wife throughout your life. Alls for the Lord’s glory!!
Well, Bishop.. if America was on a slippery slope 9 years ago.. boy, look at us now . I appreciate these videos on UA-cam. Im learning a lot. Thanks Brother Gore.
Thank you sir, Presbyterian Church of Ghana 🇬🇭, West Africa.
I am honored to hear from you, brother. Thanks for the encouragement!
I’m not a Calvinist, but I am a pastor, author, and student of the word and church history. I thoroughly enjoyed this series...one of the best lecture series I’ve heard. Thank you!
I am honored to hear from you. Thank you for the kind and encouraging feedback!
As a pastor, author, and student of the word, if you’re sincere, you’ll be a Calvinist before long. 😁
I myself am a Senior Pastor of two churches. I'm a Charismatic and a preterist, and a student of the Word and an absolute theology geek. I am not a Calvinist. Although, I regularly listen to many Calvinist brothers, i. e. James White, Doug Wilson, and lately Bruce Gore. All of that being said, I have THOROUGHLY enjoyed Mr. Gore's two sessions on Calvin as well as every other video of his that I've watched. These church history videos are SOOO GOOOOD! Thanks Mr. Gore! These are great resources!
Thank you!
Thank you so much for your series Bruce! You are a tremendous gift to the Body of Christ! I have coffee with you every morning! I appreciate your ministry!
Thanks! I take mine with cream and sugar!
I am a proud Presbyterian after listening to Bruce.
Thanks Bruce for all your series, you are helping me personally to grow in the faith and also sharing with my brothers and sister at my local Hispanic church.
May GOD keep you and your love ones.
Muchas Gracias mi amigo!
Bruce Gore de nada hermano.
Thanks for such great educational videos. From a Turkish protestant
Great to hear from you. Please pray for the U.S.
thanks Bruce - i'm binging.
Wow this is a great deal of information, i just bought the institutes, God is using you and calvin to grow my understanding, and to sanctify my soul.
im from Sabah Reformed Presby Church in Malaysia. this video is so helpful
These videos*
I am delighted to hear from you!
Thank you sir, for your excellent lecturers. I have thoroughly enjoyed them, and perhaps more importantly to you, I have a better appreciation of my own Presbyterian heritage.
Thank you for your kind and encouraging words!
I felt so privileged upon watching this 2 videos and be encourage on the life of John Calvin.. Thank you for posting it here.
These two presentation were extremely interesting. Thank you!&
I'm in the process of watching all these vids and this is one of the best yet!
I'm not Presbyterian. I'm LDS. I have to say, I very much enjoyed this two part series. I watched it in one sitting and I'll watch it again and again. Very well put together and informative. John Calvin was a wonderful man.
Thank you!
Russ Elkins who do you say Jesus is...?
Dear Russ, get out of the Mormon religion! There is only 1 Father in Heaven, and Jesus who died for our sins. The Lamanites are not the true Jews, and Hell is real!
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Instructive, powerful and inspiring!
Can't thank you enough! This teaching is great , True,, information - needed so much at this time
I just purchased Calvin's Institutes and started to read. Thank you for giving a wonderful lecture on this godly saint. Help's immensely to know that he lived what he wrote.
Thank you...and enjoy the Institutes!
I started reading that work, it struck me as literally masturbation. I think I stopped my first attempt after the 50th time Calvin called non-believers stupid.
Obviously not true, delusional, yes, stupid... no. I'll give another go though.
Calvin did write that he would not let servetus leave his presence alive. I am inclined to believe his own words that he was pretty pleased with his death.
thanks ! So much I did not know or appreciate about John Calvin. I have been listening to Charles Spurgeon, who was devoted to Calvin's teachings
Another great lecture. Now I’m debating... whether to continue in this series and then go back to the current one... Hmm, it looks like I have to learn about John Knox-the longer version, that is-first. Thanks for the background on the movement and the deep insights into John Calvin’s character, as well.
Calvinists are a blessed people. Thank you Dr. Gore.
Many people are richly blessed. I think Calvinists may appreciate it a bit more. Thanks for the feedback!
Are the other 75% of Christians not blessed in your mind? I've been studying Calvinism constantly for months, I can't seem to see it as biblical, despite fasting and much prayer. Maybe I need to fast longer?
If you were on the disciplinary committee for the PCUSA - you persecuted faithful brothers and sisters.
HI Pastor Gore. I just watched your two lectures on John Calvin. In my independent Baptist circles, John Calvin is not held in such high regard, I think because of his association with predestination. But I appreciate your giving more light on his personal life and doctrine. It helps me appreciate great men of God despite their flaws and doctrinal emphases. Thank you so much!
Great lectures.
Excellent lecture! I had English ancestors who were Puritans, it is profoundly interesting to learn that English puritanism, many of whom ended up in America had its beginnings in Geneva! Englishmen fleeing Tudor England to Geneva, and then returning to England; there confronted with King James I and King Charles I - the Stuarts - and the Great Migration to America during the years 1620 - 1640, Oliver Cromwell, etc. wow!
Steven L Edwards Geneva was a regular Christian North Korea
Wow, that was wonderful !
Thank you, loved this.
This is fantastic!
Thank you Bruce, what edition/publication/translation would you recommend for reading the institutes?
Good info!
Sincerely,
Johnathan Edwards and John Owens. 😊
2 John 1:6. KJB
Awesome teaching Bruce! Query: Why would Beza say JC lived for 54 years, seven months and ten days, when JC actually lived 54 years, ten months and seventeen days?
I would love to see you lecture on Christian influences in the Constitution. Your perspective as a Lawyer and a Christian scholar would be very welcome indeed.
Thank you. I have taught on the subject many times over the years, but none of those presentations are online at this point. I am planning, however, a series on this topic for a couple of years from now (if I live that long!). I hope you'll be patient...it's in the works!
this help me with a lot thank i go to mount view high school in maine thanks for makeing the video
You are very welcome!
I'm not Presbyterian. but enjoy history.
love Calvin❤
I love my brothers and sisters in Christ regardless of denominations and I will never understand the 5 points nor the once saved always saved doctrine. Brother Bruce your knowledge and dedication is admirable however on the story of Servetus: John Calvin had written to his friend Farel, on February 13, 1546 (seven years prior to Michael Servetus' arrest) and went on record as saying:"If he [Servetus] comes [to Geneva], I shall never let him go out alive if my
authority has weight....Calvin had the authority tohave him killed or exonerated. The letter and his authority were both solid evidence in this story. Calvin had sent Servetus his notes and commentaries on the Bible but servetus was very nasty and derogatory i his response to calvin and thats how all this started. God bless you
Thanks for your thoughtful feedback.
You are quite correct, of course. Calvin, along with most religious leaders of his day, regarded heresy is a highly destructive and dangerous crime worthy of severe official response. To judge a 16th century man by 21st century standards is probably not entirely fair.
It is also worth noting that the letter you mention does not indicate that Calvin's motives were personal animosity or bitterness. We may infer such attitudes, of course, but in fairness it should be noted that such resentment would be entirely inconsistent with Calvin's considerable writings on the need to be gracious and forgiving of our enemies, a subject he emphasized as part of the ethic of followers of Christ.
Calvin regarded Servetus as a genuine threat to the well-being of people, much as we might regard any notorious criminal as a threat, and worthy of public sanction. His commitment to see Servetus restrained (or even executed), was an opinion shared throughout almost all of the Christian world. Our difficulty really has more to do with the times in which we live, where it is quite uncommon for folks to harbor such opinions regarded the religious views of others.
Thanks Bruce, I honestly believe that Luther and Calvin even though brought us the blessings of Reformation yet the influence of centuries of the RCC burning heretics at the stake have NOT left them scared in a way and still kind of accustomed to the horrific way of dealing with them. It is just human nature !
Fair enough. Thanks!
My applauds!
Thank you!
I a.m a southern baptist and I Love This lecture. Thanks to the lecturer. Is it Bruce Gore?
At your service!
Great sermon, timeless. thank you. Does Presbyterian teach their Covenant heritage as written in the 'SCOTAish' Constitution?
Not nearly as much as they should!
I find it curious that in the Lutheran tradition, Calvin is looked upon with some hostility - if looked upon at all. I know there are a few minor differences in their theology but in the scheme of things I see very little difference between Calvin and Luther. Do you have any idea where that hostility would come from?
The most significant point of difference between Luther and Calvin was on their respective views of the nature of the presence of Christ in the sacrament. The differences became a little more pronounced, however, with the Lutheran movement following the death of Luther (1546). Calvin has always aroused a remarkable and unwarranted level of hostility in many quarters. It is unfortunate, because many fine Christian people have thus deprived themselves of the insights of one of the finest Christian thinkers in the history of the Church, in my opinion.
It makes sense why I haven't heard much about Calvin, since any differences are tiny and overall he seems like a pretty admirable guy - it's easy to sympathize with him. I won't say that my church deliberately suppresses outside viewpoints but they definitely encourage teachings only coming from the inside. I dare say nearly all churches do this to an extent.
It's a difficult debate because on one hand you can't deny "this is my body" on the other hand you can't take that statement TOO literally.
I'm still plowing through your lectures. I find them fascinating. If I lived closer I'd stop by for Sunday school. I appreciate the sincere and honest way you discuss church history. Certainly not things I learned in school. Thank you for posting.
I am very grateful for your kind and encouraging feedback! Thanks.
Thank you so much for this series on Church History. I live in Texas where the Catholic Church is trying to take over Protestant Churches. We have the bizarre situation of Italian Catholics trying to suggest they represent the Presbyterian Church. My family are long time Presbyterians and Calvinists and we are constantly being attacked by Black Presbyterian Catholics who feel that all Presbyterians must be Black and Catholic and Homosexual. John Knox is turning over in his grave, needless to say. This strange mix of racism and Catholicism is also taught by our preachers in Presbyterian Churches. So whatever you can do to educate people is most appreciated. I always pray for non violent cooperation between all faiths, but the Catholic Church particularly in Texas is using our medical system to violently persecute Protestants by poisoning them with diseases and then bankrupting their families through medical bills and killing people through disease. They gleefully use this medical persecution as their modern form of burning people at the stake which they feel they can get away with, avoiding criminal prosecution through deceit. Meanwhile our Presbyterian Preachers smile and preach as if this persecution is all just fine as they become Catholic servants to a new Catholic economic aristocracy. Thank you for this history. I pray that all people find a way to restore Democratic freedom of religion to America and return our medical system to devotion to healing and compassion, rescuing it from the religious sadists who pervert it into persecution. Anything you can do to expose these modern medical and religious crimes would be greatly appreciated.
Bruce Gore is a great historian, I watched many of his lectures, but he doesn't seem to understand that the Catholic Church hasn't changed, and will never change.
Over here in Europe the Catholics are doing the same thing as you describe in Texas, the current Cardinal over here in the Netherlands even has a medical degree. We had our famous Catholics in Europe, Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Francesco Franco. Historians are propagandists, otherwise loose their job as a teacher, or get murdered.
Did you decide to post this comment on random video's on this UA-cam channel multiple times?
Hey Bruce, great talk on Calvin! With this information on Calvins lack of involvement with Sevetus' execution (I'm currently writing an assignment on Calvin btw), how come it's still such a black point on Calvin's life? Surely it would have to come to light by now that he didn't have anything to do with the actual execution?
Nearly everyone I ask what they know about Calvin it's 'he's the guy burned someone at the stake for differences of belief". Is it just a common 'misunderstanding' and 'contrary to popular belief'.
Or in reality is it because it was Calvin who exposed Servetus to the authorities when he was a wanted fugitive and got him arrested, knowing the consequences for Heresy?
Be interesting to hear your thoughts.
Many thanks!
Jason
John Calvin was a man of such integrity that those who are hostile to him grasp at anything to support their cause (just as people seize on Luther as being allegedly anti-semitic). The execution of Servetus by the authorities of Geneva has been an easy target for those given to 'cheap shots,' and I'm sure that will not change any time soon. Thanks for a thoughtful question!
Many thanks Bruce! In the biography i'm reading on him (funnily enough the author's name is Bruce Gordon) it states that Calvin actually tried to get Servetus off on a lighter sentance by writing to the council in Geneva, only to be rejected. He even went as far as asking if beheading would be an option (quick and painless) rather than burning at the stake.
Funny how things get misinterperated over time.
Anyway thanks again! 😊
Yes, the facts are quite well documented. Unfortunately there are a surprising number of folks who don't want to be confused by the facts because they have already made up their minds with respect to John Calvin. Thanks again!
Do you think the Reformation would've still happened if the western and eastern Church would've remained united?
It depends on whether the leadership of the church would have remained faithful to the biblical message. The Crusades brought about a massive alteration the western church's sense of its core mission.
Preach it brother!
Wow I now understand Calvinism
Amen. Lord, send another George Whitefield ... let us return to Jesus Christ
I would have liked to have heard more about Bolsec and Beza.
Would love for you to do a deep dive into Menno Simons. I don’t consider myself Mennonite although I have a Mennonite background. My parents lived in a Mennonite colony in Bolivia riding horse and buggies with out electricity etc. and were excommunicated after they became Christian’s, yes you read that correctly. You’re not allowed to own a bible, only the minister can read scriptures to you, you cannot accept Jesus into your heart. They also believed that they were God’s only chosen people, the Hispanics and black people in Bolivia were considered “people of the world” because of their skin color and could not be saved. We have our own language (Plautdietsch also referred to as Low German). Where we live now in Texas, we have modern Mennonites, they’re basically the same as your ordinary church in the states with similar values but there are still some old school ones here too. I believe that Menno Simon’s teachings and what he stood for has been largely distorted. I think he’d turn over in his grave if he saw what’s going on with the colonies in Bolivia as well as even in Mexico, there’s many of them there as well, also Canada. Menno Simons was persecuted because he believed that baptism should happen when you become a Christian instead of at birth which is where the term anabaptist came from, meaning second baptists which was an insult they gave the people who believed as he did. But todays Mennonites, a lot of them require you to get baptized when you get married which is also a wrongful baptism because marriage isn’t proof of your transformation. And for today’s Mennonites a 2nd baptism when you do get transformed, is highly frowned upon. I would love a VERY in depth lecture on the history of Mennonites.
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll gave that some thought!
I truly respect Bruce Gore for all his work, unfortunately he hasn't researched enough of the true origin of a deterministic God. I suggest he read a book called The Foundation of Augustinian Calvinism by Ken Wilson PHD.
A true Frenchmen. Too bad we failed his teachings adjacent what Jesus taught.
Calvin did fail, a deterministic God is anti biblical. I site Ken Wilson Phd. Book called The Calvinistic Origin of Augustin.
@@westannex1655 a true Frenchmen since he gave headaches to Rome or the Vatican. The Knights Templars, Gaul mercenaries, Napoleonic wars or the man himself, and others. The only thing Jean Calvin and Jesus had in common was against usury.
I'm glad Calvin believed in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Some Catholics even doubt that these days, much to their detriment. I pray for the WHOLE WORLD 800 times a week that we will all get to Heaven as Jesus desires. At Fatima in Portugal He gave us this prayer: "O my Jesus, pardon us, save us from the fire of Hell and draw [attract] all souls to Heaven, especially those most in need."
I think 5 points of Calvinism would have been much help at the end of this Lecture.
Thanks for the feedback. I actually cover the five points a little later in this series in my lecture on John Wesley, since (as you probably know), the five points did not actually originate with Calvin but with the Remonstrants and their objections to Calvinism, objections that were largely restated by Wesley.
Was John Calvin a Preterist?
Calvin did not write a commentary on Revelation, so the matter remains debated. He did take a preterist approach to the Olivet Discourse.
Are you saying that you believe in transubstaniation or please explain
I embrace the Reformed view of the sacrament, which is quite different from the Catholic doctrine known as transubstantiation.
I don´t know when I heard "we are presbiterians" I doubt about the precision (or focus) of the following information.
could the industriousness of Northern Europe in the following centuries have been caused in part by the fact that more people were being taught to read, so they could read the bible? we alreays hear in society about this "protestant work ethic", could it stem from Calvin's open schools and the reading of the bible in a common language? or is this work ethic all just false ?
I dont know much about this part of history so sorry if my questions seems uninformed!
AmidalaEmma Your question is good one. Certainly invention and innovation were present in medieval monasteries (as argued by Rodney Stark and others), but the lack of commitment to 'common' education (that is, education of the masses) prevented much actual technological progress in European civilization. Reformation ideas of 'priesthood of all believers,' 'sola scriptura,' and 'private interpretation' mandated that all people should be given the opportunity to be education, hence the explosion of 'common schools' in Protestant countries. Widespread education was a major factor driving both the scientific revolution (18th century) and the industrial revolution (19th century), which were, of course, seen most conspicuously in Protestant (northern European) countries. For more, read Vishal Mangalwadi's 'The Book that Made Your World.'
thats exactly what I was thinking about! thanks!
Enjoyable, but wasn't sure if this was a eulogy or academic lecture. Unless Calvin was perfect, two hours of praises without one criticism is just a bit much though. I think the guy's awesome, but I see no need to worship him with endless adorations. Some info from scholarly journals and primary sources:
1) The Swiss cities were uniquely progressive and proud of their religious tolerance stance among the European States, as up to 1553, the harshest punishment for heretics within the tolerant Swiss cantons was banishment only. In fact, even the Catholic governments of nearby Passau and Speyer had stopped executing any heretic from 1535 onwards, choosing imprisonment or banishment instead. So, argument that executing Servetus in Geneva was common is simply not true.
2) Even Philip Melancthon, a friendly contemporary of Calvin, referred to him as “Zeno,” the Stoic philosopher who was said to have people thrown into prison for disagreeing with him.
3) Calvin’s letter to Farel regarding Servetus, dated February 13, 1546 stated rather ominously, “for if he shall come, I shall never permit him to depart alive, provided my authority be of any avail.” (Farel was Calvin's close friend).
4) Calvin triumphantly wrote to Farel a few days after Servetus's execution, “But after he had been recognized, I thought that he should be detained. My friend Nicolas summoned him on a capital charge…I hope that sentence of death will at least be passed upon him; but I desire that the severity of the punishment may be mitigated.” (Yes, he hope the execution will be more humane, but death nevertheless.)
5) Calvin was awarded a Genevan citizenship in 1558. It does not show he had no standing in the society of Geneva. In reality, it shows he had so much influence, he didn't even need one! It was like an honorary citizenship or a key to the city.
6) If one still has any doubt about Calvin's prodigious influence in Geneva, just keep in mind that he founded the Consistory in 1541 and attended its weekly meeting religiously, as well as personally shaping its agenda until his death in 1564. What did the Consistory do? It dealt with “fifty to two hundred” offenses each year, ranging from commercial misbehaviors to “illegal” singings. It “probed” and “exposed” the “private lives” of all Genevans.
(All references are on request)
Amazing how This man paints a picture of Calvin as this sweet man. He would have these home visits where he would check to see how much eating plates would be allowed on a table. He forced people to go to church and even would dictate how high a woman should wear her hair. Now whether or not he was or wasn’t responsible for Michael Severtus death , the fact that a man was burned at the stake for merely disagreeing with your theology is insane. Oh he left the Catholic Church put he didn’t come out far enough. Calvin warned the if Servetus ever visited Geneva he would never let him leave alive. Does that should like a man who exemplifies the love of Christ ? In his institutes this massive theological work , I challenge you to find the the word Love ! It’s not even mention. Spare me with this great man of god bit.
Thank you! It is certainly the case that every great Christian leader from the 1st century to the 21st has collected his intractable enemies. Calvin is no exception!
A quick search of Volume 1 gives 249 instances of the word "love." I won't bother checking Vol 2.
John Calvin would have never referred to the earth as a planet. He rightly apposed any notion of a globular earth rotating, and revolving around a sun. He condemned such a heresy, even stating that such that believed this were 'demon possessed'. Read: Institute of the Christian Religion 1:5:11
Thanks for that. Can you direct me to the text where Calvin expresses these views?
@@GoreBruce John Calvin "Sermon on 1Corinthians 10: 19-24", Calvin Opera Selects, Corpus Refomatorum, Vol 49, 677, trans. by Robert White in "Calvin and Copernicus: the Problem Reconsidered", Calvin Theological Journal 15 (1980) p233-243, at 236-237
@@GoreBruce I appreciate your inquiry to my statement. Thank you.
@@GoreBruce Institutes of the Christian Religion, book 1, 5:11
@@GoreBruce Perhaps this also may be helpful to you. Martin Luther Lectures on Genesis Vol. I
The trinity of three distinct persons is a true biblical Heresy and Jean Calvin refuse to REFORM THE CATHOLIC TRINITY. Also he ELEVATE the pastor as a replacement of Jesus as the man of truth in a Church mmmmmm this modern pastor is not biblical.
@royal priest no verse is saying God is three different beings only the blind follow this men tradition . Jesus is God the Father in the flesh 1Tim.3:16 John1:14 and as Jesus Himself teach us John20:17 “Do not cling to Me,” Jesus said, “for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go and tell My brothers, ‘I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God....... Where is your trinity here????? Jesus God is not your false triune god, but THE FATHER ALONE .
@royal priest I do not see the word ''persons'' and this verse is the most controversial of all the bible it has been introduced first through the 4 Latinos translation of the bible and after it been introduces in textus receptus by Erasmus who been force by the Roman catholic to do so. God never been three but always been one and it's the first commandment !
If God is three different persons so Jesus was three different persons because Jesus is God in the flesh as see in 1Tim.3:16 ,
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The USA Constitution origins was not the Presbyterian nor Calvin per se, try Roger Williams, founder of Rhode Island. The Puritans were very much against Roger Williams allowing freedom of belief and worship of God. The Puritans rooted in John Calvin were abusive through in many ways to anyone contrary to their beliefs. There was little heavenly about the New Jerusalem, the city on the hill, they attempted by force, coercion and no due process upon those having contrary beliefs. Roger Williams stood for individual rights and freedom from the tyranny of the Church and Government who were often in collusion with one another. I am not questioning Calvins significance of theology, only his political philosophy upon America: overstated.
Thanks for the thoughtful feedback. I treat these objections in considerably greater detail in my series, "Presbyterians and the American Revolution," a PlayList on my UA-cam channel.
the pope of Geneva but he was an instrument of God concerning the reformation but clearly refuse to reform the false triune God of three differents persons never teach in the bible. Yahweh always
said I AM.. one but never teach I AM ... three persons !! I AM mean NO TRINITY OF PERSONS. I AM will never be WE ARE ! Jesus is Yahweh who came in bodily form as the sacrificiel Lamb.
@@mr.gaming6277 Jesus is the Holy Spirit if someone is IN CHRIST he is a new creation ( born from Heaven)
Calvin's relationship with his wife might have been warm but his writings of predestination wrongly depicted God as impersonal, ultra-controlling, and diistant. That's because his misunderstanding of Biblical predestination mirrored Augustine's misunderstandings.
You are a very gifted orator, Bruce. I enjoy your presentations very much, even though I am a Catholic. We must remember that the Church was run by men & they were/are susceptible to abuses and error. Like Servetus, I loathe the opulence of the hierarchy of the Church and their pompous robes & hats. I would like you to be my lawyer if I need one because you are so persuasive. Interpreting the Bible by yourself is fraught with great danger because you need knowledgeable scholars like you or the theologians of the Catholic Church to interpret it. I have a friend who interprets it for herself but she comes to unbelievable conclusions. Calvin may get to Heaven because of his works of corporal mercy. Google: What the Final Judgement will be like.
Thanks for your kind feedback, sir. My closest Christian friends happen to be staunch Catholics who consistently urge me to return to holy mother. I must remain in the Reformed Tradition, however, and join Calvin in saying that if either of us make it to heaven, it will be sheer, unmitigated mercy on God's part, mixed with precisely zero merit on my part. Blessings my friend!
I sincerely want you to reach Heaven, Bruce & I pray for it 800 times a week. I just saw a video where Protestants will change their attitude to Mary from: "We hate her" to "We love her". I wonder what miracle she will work after all she has the infinite power of God dwelling in her heart and they delight to see her happy.
Sirvydis was preaching the first century doctrine of the oneness of Christ it took 300 years to come up with a Trinity three separate and distinct beings in the Godhead Jesus said hi and my father are one there is no god the son in scripture son of God but no God the sonHe was simply standing up for the apostles doctrine that was preached first by Jesus and then the apostles that there is only one god as the Hebrews had been taught to believe throughout all Hebrew history