@@Niente-um9bx i agree that Luigi and Halim El-Dabh should take the place but i feel like Pierre Schaffer's creation was using actual sounds to create a composition and music. He's almost like a early innovator of the Plunderphonics genre.
This was just a few years before Schaeffer had access to magnetic tape. He was working out of the French national Radio organization and had access to their state of the art equipment and sound libraries. It must have been incredibly painstaking, but he invented techniques using turntables and phonographic discs to get his effects and the Etudes de Bruits is the result. He used techniques like the 'locked groove' which was a kind of loop. The idea was to make a single circular groove instead of the normal spiral groove so that the sound repeated as often as you wanted and you could also speed it up or slow it down. A little research on google and you can find info on how he made 'tape' music without tape. The first piece of tape music in the world was supposedly made in Egypt in 1944 by Halim el Dabh. It's here on YT.
Hi, do you have a reference to the pre tape work of Pierre? I was aware of train recordings being before tape but couldn't find a reference for an academic I know. I started to think I'd imagined it. I was aware of the Halim el Dabh work, I have a copy on CD. His earliest work was made using a magnetic Eire reel to reel machine, the precursor to tape. Thanks for the info.
@klaussperger6237it sounds like Musique Concrete b/c you're listening to the invention of it. Pierre Schaeffer invented the term and the idiom and this set of studies (etudes) is the beginning.
To my point of view, this music is justified by itself. And especially through the last part where we find a lot of creativity. There are the sound effects for the movies, and there is this electronic music. This music is not subordinated to a visual schema. She is not obliged to an image. This is what sets it apart from electronic music (and electronic sound effects) designed to accompany a film's images. You can feel this difference by listening to the soundtrack.
@@rodrigorivas5374 come on mr. aphex twin logo, you can do better than that. I'm sure OP meant that Morricone was inspired by this. And I'm glad I'm not the only one who's heard it. In fact, as I've just found out, Morricone made the acquaintance of Schaeffer, but no-one has pointed out this link anywhere. fascinating stuff!
+Kamil Kosecki Composer Fascinating stuff indeed, one of the fathers of modern noise music. Actually early Merzbow work from the 80s sound very similar. Totaly got asmr listening to this :)
... Verdadeiramente ... ! Genial ... ! Adorei, Todos Estes Estudos e as Criações De Música Concreta e dos Objectos Sonóros de Pierre Schaeffer ... ! Durante O Meus Estudos - De Música Concreta - de Música Electrónica - e Experimental ... ! Com Os Professores - Compositores : Filipe Pires - António Sousa Dias - Bill Alves e Luís de Pablo - Entre Outros ... ! * BRAVÍSSIMO* ... !!! ...
Point de référence Historique de Composition-Acousmatique Contemporain. Étude aux chemins de fer - trains. Étude aux tourniquets - toy tops and percussion instruments. Étude noire - piano recorded for Schaeffer by Boulez. Étude pathétique - sauce pans, canal boats, singing, speech, harmonica, piano.
0:21 Listen closely and feel the beat. It goes like Ya EY! EY EY EY EY EY EY. Make a easy drum pattern under this and you got a groove to rap on 😅 Jokes aside I don't can even realise how genius this man was.
Pierre Schaeffer - Études de bruits (1948) 0:01 Étude aux chemins de fer 02:53 Étude aux tourniquets 04:52 Étude violette 08:13 Étude noire 12:11 Étude pathétique
This was not done using magnetic tape. Schaeffer and the French radio studio did not get a tape recorder until 1951. This was done using disk recorders.
At times it reminds me of Negativland because of the large contrast of seemingly unrelated sounds and also the precision of the way the tape is spliced. Very enjoyable suite of pieces, Schaeffer has really been on my mind lately.
+pocoapoco2 this was actually created before magnetic tape was widely used in recorded music. People still used magnetic wire back then, which was very hard to edit on and the magnetic tape they had during this time period, I believe wasn't durable or of high enough quality to manipulate for a piece like this. He recorded all of the parts onto different phonograph discs and then manipulated each part by creating locked grooves, playing parts backward, playing them at different speeds, etc. and then mixed all these parts together onto one master disc. really really difficult and time consuming im sure.
@@tedmerr Not really. The theremin was invented to be incorporated in orchestral and band music amongst acoustic instruments. But it was Schaeffer the one who actually invented "acusmatica" and conceived the creation of music by entirely out of non-acoustic instruments.
@@tonystephen6312 But it is the manipulation of sounds by use of electrical devices. It's the beginning of music-making without musicians playing in real time, or musicians at all.
@@RayZappa Well that's just recording - what defines electronic music as 2 interpretations. In the 1970s it generally was used to mean synthesis with electronic oscillators as a sound source. electronic music goes back to the 1920s vacuum tube oscillator. re-Ondes Martenot etc so the OPs wrong.
I couldn't explain why exactly, but I can have a go at explaining how. If my memory serves me correctly in his book "On The Trail of a Concrete Music" there is only mention of a "disc cutting lathe" at least up until after he begins working with Pierre Henry in '49. I'm sure the tape recorder was a later edition to his studio in '51, I seem to remember reading they had some trouble with the thing at first.
Magnetic tape wasn't in widespread use. Americans used coated paper until after the war, when they discovered that the Germans had been using a more rugged material.
I find it funny how Schaeffer is advocating very strongly for reduced listening approach and disassociating oneself from the 'cause' or 'origin' of the sound, but then make the titles of his work to associate again with the source of the sound...
lol, you're kinda right but making titles is hard :( (Also the titles of the sub parts actually helps in the way he was going for but your point still stands, I just like to be annoying...)
Je trouve que cette musique se justifie par elle-même. Et spécialement dans la dernière partie il y a beaucoup de créativité. Il y a les effets sonores pour les films, et il y a cette musique électronique. Cette musique n'est pas subordonnée à un schéma visuel. Elle n'est pas obligée à une image. C'est ce qui la distingue de la musique électronique (et des effets sonores électroniques) conçue pour accompagner les images d'un film. On peut sentir cette différence à l'écoute de la trame sonore.
you WERE born in the wrong generation, you wouldn´t get it, if it happened right in front of your nose - off with you into the stone age, so we don´t have to read your boring comments.... say, what´s wrong with justin bieber?
Maybe Justin Bieber is shit but this is crap aswell. I don't fucking know how you can consider this REAL MUSIC !!! This is by miles away from good music.
I highly encourage folks to read his books: Treatise On The Musical Object and In Search Of A Concrete Music -especially the latter. It gives added dimension to these compositions .
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The Godfather of sampling
Well I'm sampling him so
@@Niente-um9bx i agree that Luigi and Halim El-Dabh should take the place but i feel like Pierre Schaffer's creation was using actual sounds to create a composition and music. He's almost like a early innovator of the Plunderphonics genre.
Not only sampling, granular synthesis stone age also.
This is the great grandfather of all electronic music. And it's unbelievable
No. Luigi Russolo is the great grandfather of electronic music.
But this is not Electronic music tho. This is Electro-Acoustic music.
This is! ua-cam.com/video/yIR3pCgqb5o/v-deo.html
No way - electronic music instruments go back much further - 1920/30s
@@tonystephen6312 First are Theremin and Variophone from USSR (Late 20's - early 30's)
This is like watching a david lynch film with eyes closed
This is very listenable in 2020.
no
This was just a few years before Schaeffer had access to magnetic tape. He was working out of the French national Radio organization and had access to their state of the art equipment and sound libraries. It must have been incredibly painstaking, but he invented techniques using turntables and phonographic discs to get his effects and the Etudes de Bruits is the result. He used techniques like the 'locked groove' which was a kind of loop. The idea was to make a single circular groove instead of the normal spiral groove so that the sound repeated as often as you wanted and you could also speed it up or slow it down. A little research on google and you can find info on how he made 'tape' music without tape. The first piece of tape music in the world was supposedly made in Egypt in 1944 by Halim el Dabh. It's here on YT.
@Klaus Sperger It is!
Thanks! :)
Hi, do you have a reference to the pre tape work of Pierre? I was aware of train recordings being before tape but couldn't find a reference for an academic I know. I started to think I'd imagined it. I was aware of the Halim el Dabh work, I have a copy on CD. His earliest work was made using a magnetic Eire reel to reel machine, the precursor to tape. Thanks for the info.
@klaussperger6237it sounds like Musique Concrete b/c you're listening to the invention of it.
Pierre Schaeffer invented the term and the idiom and this set of studies (etudes) is the beginning.
Trains 0:01
Toy Tops And Pericussions 2:52
Piano Records 4:51 8:11
Sauce Pans Canal Boats Singing Speech Harmonica Piano 12:11
Thank you for providing so much knowledge about sound, Pierre Schaeffer.
To my point of view, this music is justified by itself. And especially through the last part where we find a lot of creativity. There are the sound effects for the movies, and there is this electronic music. This music is not subordinated to a visual schema. She is not obliged to an image. This is what sets it apart from electronic music (and electronic sound effects) designed to accompany a film's images. You can feel this difference by listening to the soundtrack.
Gotta love double talk.
0:52 : Ennio Morricone - The good, the bad, the ugly
The good, the bad and the ugly was released in the 60's
@@rodrigorivas5374 come on mr. aphex twin logo, you can do better than that. I'm sure OP meant that Morricone was inspired by this. And I'm glad I'm not the only one who's heard it. In fact, as I've just found out, Morricone made the acquaintance of Schaeffer, but no-one has pointed out this link anywhere. fascinating stuff!
True
Good ear. I don't know if you're a musician but if you don't know it's not that easy to make this kind of match.
This is one of his few pieces that has almost no overarching sense of darkness and I'm really digging it
Amazing stuff for this time! Still sounds futuristic in 2015!
It was the beginning of electronix, just beautiful
+Kamil Kosecki Composer Fascinating stuff indeed, one of the fathers of modern noise music. Actually early Merzbow work from the 80s sound very similar. Totaly got asmr listening to this :)
Also 1 of the fathers of electronic music in general.
yeah, this is like a baby doing the firsts steps
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Crap. Do research.
This rocks! early experimental electronic music
... Verdadeiramente ... ! Genial ... ! Adorei, Todos Estes Estudos e as Criações De Música Concreta e dos Objectos Sonóros de Pierre Schaeffer ... ! Durante O Meus Estudos - De Música Concreta - de Música Electrónica - e Experimental ... ! Com Os Professores - Compositores : Filipe Pires - António Sousa Dias - Bill Alves e Luís de Pablo - Entre Outros ... ! * BRAVÍSSIMO* ... !!! ...
This is mesmerising, especially timbre of each sound is very unique
Compositeur de génie
💞👍✌👍👍👍👍👍
Avec les bruits de la vie ✌extraordinaire
Michel !
Very intresting composition with sample of natural and industrial sound
He abstracted familiar sound and cutted, coppied and mixed them to create music. The beginning of the history of recording studios
Emot. Issues ::i
A piece of the history for sure, but recording studios had been in existence for easily 20 years!
I hear early days of drum n bass/hardcore techno.
This is the birth of Electronic music.
1948 and still ahead of everyone else
I forgot about Pierre! 😯Thanks for posting. Love him. He influenced many of the greats that came later.
Molto bene!!😊👍
this is actually very enjoyable
I hope to understand this some day. I was born in 1948.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’m not sure if this a joke or not
beautiful
Très intéressant !
Point de référence Historique de Composition-Acousmatique Contemporain.
Étude aux chemins de fer - trains.
Étude aux tourniquets - toy tops and percussion instruments.
Étude noire - piano recorded for Schaeffer by Boulez.
Étude pathétique - sauce pans, canal boats, singing, speech, harmonica, piano.
It's insane that he made this just using records with circular grooves. didn't even have tape
Le mentor d'un certain Jean Michel Jarre ....
I love this samples
This is amazing work. I guess it's time to find physical copies of his works. Interesting.
0:21 Listen closely and feel the beat. It goes like Ya EY! EY EY EY EY EY EY. Make a easy drum pattern under this and you got a groove to rap on 😅
Jokes aside I don't can even realise how genius this man was.
felt the trap comin from 1948
Genio musical.
OK like safic aisha music 👍👌🎶🎼🎧🎵❤️🎸 house, panic and thrill, 🎼💋
I really like Étude noire
P.Schaeffer - Études de bruits || Chef-d'œuvre (masterpieace)
Pierre Schaeffer - Études de bruits (1948)
0:01 Étude aux chemins de fer
02:53 Étude aux tourniquets
04:52 Étude violette
08:13 Étude noire
12:11 Étude pathétique
It is difficult for people to imagine in these times how few magnetic tape machines there were in 1948.
This was not done using magnetic tape. Schaeffer and the French radio studio did not get a tape recorder until 1951. This was done using disk recorders.
thousands actually. Germans started to produce them in 1930s and they sold them a lot.
France got their German AEG magnetophones in 1945 at least.
BOILER ROOM
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Bruites - Tea Pot!
At times it reminds me of Negativland because of the large contrast of seemingly unrelated sounds and also the precision of the way the tape is spliced. Very enjoyable suite of pieces, Schaeffer has really been on my mind lately.
Plunderphonics owes much to Electro-Acoustic.
Does sound like the first Negativland album.
4:30 I can literally hear that sound when I try to read my colleagues programming code.
1:52 Time for a cup of tea
Très bien
Tremendo Sr. Schaeffer ;)
real nice
This was composed using only turntable technology.
Dragonhammer Soulbreath Magnetic tape with analog effects and often times mechanical, not electronic, analog effects. All hand spliced together.
+pocoapoco2 this was actually created before magnetic tape was widely used in recorded music. People still used magnetic wire back then, which was very hard to edit on and the magnetic tape they had during this time period, I believe wasn't durable or of high enough quality to manipulate for a piece like this. He recorded all of the parts onto different phonograph discs and then manipulated each part by creating locked grooves, playing parts backward, playing them at different speeds, etc. and then mixed all these parts together onto one master disc. really really difficult and time consuming im sure.
+pocoapoco2 Schaeffer did not get his hands on magnetic tape until 49, and did not begin using it much until 51
Add beats to this and BAM- industrial techno.
Hahahaha hahaha
Pretty nice idea
Hahaha
Only I hear Resurrection of Planet Perfecto Knights on 1:11? I'm referring to the sound of train's wheels meets the split between the rails
grazie
Ne pas oublier que l'Analogique est toujours présent entre les 1 et 0 que l'on nous sert à tour de bras tous les jours ! 😉 ❗
This guy invented electronic music,.
Leon Theremin
@@tedmerr Not really. The theremin was invented to be incorporated in orchestral and band music amongst acoustic instruments. But it was Schaeffer the one who actually invented "acusmatica" and conceived the creation of music by entirely out of non-acoustic instruments.
not really its found sound non of its electronic..other than the recording device
@@tonystephen6312 But it is the manipulation of sounds by use of electrical devices. It's the beginning of music-making without musicians playing in real time, or musicians at all.
@@RayZappa Well that's just recording - what defines electronic music as 2 interpretations. In the 1970s it generally was used to mean synthesis with electronic oscillators as a sound source.
electronic music goes back to the 1920s vacuum tube oscillator. re-Ondes Martenot etc so the OPs wrong.
damn gooooooooood!
it was not tape at this time. it was vinyl discs. tape came after
no it was tape. tape had been around for a while. There was no way to make this without tape.
no it was turntable technology for sure. Schaeffer didn't have access to a tape recorder until 1951 when he founded GMRC with Henry and Poullin.
Can you explain why?
I couldn't explain why exactly, but I can have a go at explaining how. If my memory serves me correctly in his book "On The Trail of a Concrete Music" there is only mention of a "disc cutting lathe" at least up until after he begins working with Pierre Henry in '49. I'm sure the tape recorder was a later edition to his studio in '51, I seem to remember reading they had some trouble with the thing at first.
Magnetic tape wasn't in widespread use. Americans used coated paper until after the war, when they discovered that the Germans had been using a more rugged material.
6:40 i love this part
Some of this kinda reminds me of Boards of Canada
- "Études de bruits" it's a real Classic of electroacustic music.
this is lit
1948?
Volle Westervelt yep, literally studying about it now and he's the first one to do it
I find it funny how Schaeffer is advocating very strongly for reduced listening approach and disassociating oneself from the 'cause' or 'origin' of the sound, but then make the titles of his work to associate again with the source of the sound...
lol, you're kinda right but making titles is hard :(
(Also the titles of the sub parts actually helps in the way he was going for but your point still stands, I just like to be annoying...)
Banger
lol!
I wonder if the first etude influenced Steve Reich’s Different Trains?
The Sample is born...
Master!
dale like si sigues escuchando esta rola en 2021
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from 4:30 .. pure electronica ! nothing invented today..
Je trouve que cette musique se justifie par elle-même. Et spécialement dans la dernière partie il y a beaucoup de créativité. Il y a les effets sonores pour les films, et il y a cette musique électronique. Cette musique n'est pas subordonnée à un schéma visuel. Elle n'est pas obligée à une image. C'est ce qui la distingue de la musique électronique (et des effets sonores électroniques) conçue pour accompagner les images d'un film. On peut sentir cette différence à l'écoute de la trame sonore.
This reminds me of Giygas :)
Ça me rapelle Giygas
NANANANANANANAANA EPICO EL PIERRE
The man is the great grandfather of many styles.
The first Madlib
still love it!!
0:22-0:44 - train/horse/waves 1:52 - bird/kettle/alarm 5:08-5:50 - haunting presence 5:31 14:00 - ok yea this is haunted
Parfait
Yes ! 😀
This is REAL music, I was born in the wrong generaton, screw Justin Bieber!!!!!!11
really?
you WERE born in the wrong generation, you wouldn´t get it, if it happened right in front of your nose - off with you into the stone age, so we don´t have to read your boring comments....
say, what´s wrong with justin bieber?
buuuuuuuuuuu.................................
Maybe Justin Bieber is shit but this is crap aswell. I don't fucking know how you can consider this REAL MUSIC !!! This is by miles away from good music.
@@janmajer4662 I know these comments are years-old, but some of you guys don't know what a joke is
buena musica para dormir haha like +1
super classic !
historique mais stérile.
french maestro electro acousmatic...
WHERE'S THE DROP
💎
Nonmusic is boredom without melody harmony and rhythm
You amuse me.
Nonmusic actually doesn't exist. Because music in it's most stripped down form, is just a combinaton of vibrations and expressions.
OK COOL
👁🍄👁
Kraftwerk's father!
Perfect I was trying to link KW to this …...
Appropriate music for shrinks
j'ai peur du gros monsieur sur la photo
il me plait quand même mais bon
13:00
J'aime pas trop
Me too
lit
Cool.
Crisp as fuck
tan grande como J. Cage.
I hear some harry partch
ALL CAPS when you spell the man name
14:07 kkkk aí sim, tosse and piano
I highly encourage folks to read his books:
Treatise On The Musical Object and In Search Of A Concrete Music -especially the latter.
It gives added dimension to these compositions .
0:35