Mechanical Vibrations: Underdamped vs Overdamped vs Critically Damped

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  • @zepledfan413
    @zepledfan413 3 роки тому +109

    I already graduated with an engineering degree. I don't use a lot of this part of the degree at work but I have always wanted to go back and master the stuff we covered in college. Unfortunately, a lot of school in the US is only about passing a tests. Your videos are helping me go back and actually learn! Thank you so much!!

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  3 роки тому +17

      You are most welcome!

    • @shayaanrk
      @shayaanrk Рік тому

      Don't worry son, all schools around the world are only about passing the tests. This is all part of the matrix.

    • @kevinperera6129
      @kevinperera6129 Рік тому

      This has been my problem too. Thank you

  • @spaceiscool1236
    @spaceiscool1236 7 місяців тому +2

    This has genuinely blown my mind because it has linked comparatively simple concepts i learned in A-Level physics with ODEs to describe the world clearly using math's and i understood why. I was always told adding friction into mechanics makes it so much harder, and I'm sure in other places it is, but here its more simple than i expected.

  • @minhazulabedinakib9429
    @minhazulabedinakib9429 7 місяців тому +6

    I'm a mechanical engineering student. This really helped. Thank you so much!
    Love from Italy.

  • @NUGGet-3562
    @NUGGet-3562 2 роки тому +30

    See, I was tracking with you when you started explaining the friction force, like "Okay, I can remember that" but then you explained it in terms of the car or walking, and how it goes against you, and I was like "Okay now THAT makes sense!" I just gotta say, I wish more teachers explained stuff like you do. You make it relatable.

  • @SharkyShocker
    @SharkyShocker 8 місяців тому +3

    Wonderful explanations. Clear, Concise, and Clean.
    Thank you for your time, especially in making sure the "Why?" part is conveyed which is often the hardest to wrap my head around. But I totally get it now!

    • @wjiuvdjsvhsnsm
      @wjiuvdjsvhsnsm 8 місяців тому

      You said Exactly what I want to say

  • @georgesadler7830
    @georgesadler7830 Рік тому +2

    Professor T. Bazett, thank you for a strong Introduction to Mechanical Vibrations in Differential Equations. Mechanical Vibrations is a huge part of Mechanical Engineering, which deals with tools/equipment that vibrate upon impact. Many problems in Mechanical Vibrations are Underdamped.

  • @madisonmobach1205
    @madisonmobach1205 7 місяців тому +1

    I've been struggling with this concept in my physics class all term and you just cleared everything up in like 10 minutes! Thank you so much, your videos are the most helpful!!

  • @DD-gn4nj
    @DD-gn4nj 3 роки тому +13

    Best teacher in the world!

  • @erikawimmer7908
    @erikawimmer7908 3 роки тому +22

    Hi Trefor. Just wanted to tell you that your Videos are great. For me as a 14 year old math and physics nerd from germany you are gold!

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  3 роки тому +10

      Thank you so much! Love to hear from my slightly younger audience, keep at it for sure!

    • @erikawimmer7908
      @erikawimmer7908 3 роки тому +3

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    • @pinklady7184
      @pinklady7184 3 роки тому +4

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    • @erikawimmer7908
      @erikawimmer7908 3 роки тому +4

      @@pinklady7184 Thank you! Are you a mathmatician or something like that? I am interested in what you are doing. I want to get a Ph.D. in physics later.
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  • @somyaharjani3222
    @somyaharjani3222 Рік тому

    when everyone's just teaching to help us get marks,teachers like u help us find answers to all our curiosities
    thankyou so much sir!

  • @Altekameraden79
    @Altekameraden79 2 роки тому +3

    For anybody who gets into vibration analysis or reliability engineering, in mechanical system you can typically only vary mass or stiffness. Although it can be expensive to modify equipment in the two aforementioned fashions, it can prevent fractures. Changing mass, stiffness or both shifts the frequency response away from the current resonant frequency which is what kills shafts, bearing, supports, pipe fittings.

    • @dog360
      @dog360 Рік тому

      hey could i message you for help brainstorming for a math investigation coursework im doing for school?

  • @Momo-bb2fn
    @Momo-bb2fn 9 місяців тому +2

    8:33 OHHHHHH, you're a genius!! That's such a good image!

  • @diegosuarez8491
    @diegosuarez8491 Рік тому

    Thanks boss, got a Intro to Vibrations Test on Monday and you make this so much more understandable. Very grateful, and I hope you get a lot of blessings!

  • @xoticbeats_
    @xoticbeats_ 7 місяців тому

    Your engaging bright attitude makes it easier for me to learn this stuff thank you

  • @AMR-555
    @AMR-555 3 роки тому +5

    First time I ever hear that friction is a function of velocity. I mean it does make a difference if you're moving or not (static vs kinetic friction coefficient), however, once you start moving it becomes a function of the normal force (independent of velocity). Now, an hydraulic/pneumatic dampener does depends on velocity. Anyway, great video as always!!

    • @angelmendez-rivera351
      @angelmendez-rivera351 3 роки тому

      This is friction on a spring, and here, there is no normal force, because there is no gravity being considered.

    • @AMR-555
      @AMR-555 3 роки тому

      @@angelmendez-rivera351 that's definitely not it

    • @rohitchaudhary3619
      @rohitchaudhary3619 3 роки тому +3

      Its viscous force of damper , act like friction force here

    • @AMR-555
      @AMR-555 3 роки тому

      @@rohitchaudhary3619 I would agree with that, that's the example we always see in Mechanical Vibrations. Usually there's a "damper" parallel to the spring in the schematics.

    • @carultch
      @carultch Рік тому +1

      @@AMR-555 Friction is proportional to velocity assuming viscosity governs the fluid mechanics of drag, rather than stagnation pressure. Usually at low velocities and high viscosities (called laminar flow), you get drag forces that are proportional to velocity. Eventually, there is a speed at which there is a transition from laminar flow to turbulent flow, where it is much more accurate to model drag as proportional to the square of speed, rather than to speed itself. Non-fluid friction is independent of velocity altogether, and only depends on normal force, the identity of the surfaces, and whether they are initially at rest, or initially moving.
      This kind of problem is significantly more difficult to solve, if you have to work with a kind of friction other than viscous damping that is proportional to speed.

  • @mognokhan1701
    @mognokhan1701 3 роки тому +7

    Your videos are indubitably helpful. Keep up the good work, Dr. Trefor!

  • @manrajmann4732
    @manrajmann4732 3 роки тому +1

    ( AWESOMENESS !!!!!!!!!! + RESPECT + PASSION + KNOWLEDGE ) * (MATHEMATICS ) = Dr .Trefor Bazett !

  • @linaalghamdi8271
    @linaalghamdi8271 Рік тому +1

    Thank you so much, you can never imagine how you helped in understanding this part

  • @sethtang2643
    @sethtang2643 Рік тому

    this man is literally carry my differential equations class

  • @lukecaetano8405
    @lukecaetano8405 2 роки тому +7

    You're a great teacher, thank you so much

  • @Benjicmm
    @Benjicmm Місяць тому

    I with my ODE class covered more physics examples. It all makes a lot more sense in the context of a real system.

  • @DrAtomics
    @DrAtomics 2 роки тому +3

    Love your videos, ironically I was already subscribed to you but my Analytical Methods professor recommended your video series for our class to watch as a mandatory thing before class! 😁 Your content is making it to universities 🤙

  • @jagadishkumarmr1067
    @jagadishkumarmr1067 Рік тому

    This video just explained a lot of stuff on solving Second order differential equations and others doubts.. Thanks!

  • @LearnWithFardin
    @LearnWithFardin 2 роки тому +1

    10:00
    At t≈7/3≈2.33 second!
    [Setting the derivative equal to zero]

  • @porit1023
    @porit1023 Рік тому

    Thank you Sir for this awesome video. The explanation with graph really helps with the understanding.

  • @NickLaoutaris
    @NickLaoutaris Рік тому +1

    Professor my respect to you ! Amazing video !

  • @MGSchmahl
    @MGSchmahl Рік тому +3

    Do you have a video where friction is modeled as a constant?

  • @ersankaykusuz2747
    @ersankaykusuz2747 2 роки тому +4

    perfect explanation, thanks :)

  • @manofletters2434
    @manofletters2434 3 роки тому +6

    Thanks so much for all the content recently, it's been a massive help this semester! I have been meaning to ask, do you have any plans to create more pure-math oriented videos in the future? I noticed on your personal website that your background is in topology. It would be amazing to have some videos which give an intro to point-set topology (or maybe functional analysis which also seems really interesting), considering the clarity with which you are able to explain things!

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  3 роки тому +11

      You are most welcome! I actually am a topologist and so have definitely been meaning to do a series on that. I want to do quite a bit more, but so much to do so little time ha!

  • @bradleybanach98
    @bradleybanach98 2 роки тому +2

    great video man thanks

  • @Andrew-jw2qs
    @Andrew-jw2qs 2 роки тому +2

    Solid video

  • @lucieneyvrard5414
    @lucieneyvrard5414 3 роки тому +2

    He is a genius absolutely no doubt about that
    At 4.25 when the 4 canceled would you not get square root of -mk over m ?

    • @aleksandreakhvlediani8034
      @aleksandreakhvlediani8034 3 роки тому +1

      Yes, but m in the denominator m = sqrt(m)*sqrt(m), one sqrt part will cancel with numerator and you are left with sqrt(-k/m)

  • @continnum_radhe-radhe
    @continnum_radhe-radhe 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you so much sir 🔥🔥🔥

  • @emreyuksel7586
    @emreyuksel7586 2 роки тому +1

    Very nice explanation and it is very informative:) Thank you so much sir.

  • @H1HHH10
    @H1HHH10 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks doctor

  • @copernicus6420
    @copernicus6420 9 місяців тому

    1:44
    Shouldn't the fiction and the spring force have inverse signs here? Don't they have inverse directions?

  • @pepsiatlas5452
    @pepsiatlas5452 2 роки тому

    ive never been able to figure out why you need both a sign and a cosine term in the underdamped solution. surely just having the one and moving it around will let you set whatever initial conditions you want

    • @carultch
      @carultch Рік тому

      You can either have a single amplitude and a phase constant, or you can have a sine and cosine term. They both will give you the same solution, since they are both multiplied by the same exponential decay envelope. Through a trig identity, you can prove that they are equal.
      Initial value problems with underdamping are significantly easier to solve, if you keep them as an arbitrary linear combination of sine and cosine terms, and then solve for the coefficients based on the initial conditions. If you switch it to a single trig function with an amplitude and phase constant, it is a harder problem to solve.
      For the situation with no damping, you can proceed either way to find the coefficients. You can use conservation of energy to find the amplitude, and inverse trig to find the phase constant. Or you can use a linear combination of sine and cosine, solve for their amplitudes from initial conditions, and then use trig identities if necessary to translate to a single trig function with an amplitude and phase constant.

  • @jhanolaer8286
    @jhanolaer8286 Рік тому

    What is the similarity of hooke's law and boyle's law?

  • @jacobvandijk6525
    @jacobvandijk6525 Рік тому

    Put in a source of oscillation and some Green's function and you're 'almost' doing Quantum Field Theory ;-) Great job, man!!!

  • @martinsanchez-hw4fi
    @martinsanchez-hw4fi 5 місяців тому

    Why , if friction is a constant times the normal force, can we say the damping is proportional to the velocity?

  • @zodiatti1825
    @zodiatti1825 29 днів тому

    Is the Modal damping RATIO directional dependent or independent? X,y,z

  • @joeferreira-qr7iq
    @joeferreira-qr7iq 10 місяців тому

    well there is actually 4 cases , the under damped can be separated into two cases,damped (real part is 0) and underdamped

  • @Sanjay-so7mk
    @Sanjay-so7mk 3 роки тому +6

    Sir, will you recommend laplace transform to solve these differential equations? Actually I used it for a while and got some weird solutions, like extra sine terms and cosine terms... Will it affect my solutions?

    • @carultch
      @carultch Рік тому +1

      You can use either the Laplace transform, or the traditional method of assuming the solution has the form of e^(r*t), and solving for the characteristic equation that determines the value of r. It depends on the form of the differential equation given, and whether you are given initial conditions or not.
      If you are just solving the simple case of a free vibration, and initial conditions aren't really in the picture, then I recommend the more traditional method of assuming the solution has the form of e^(r*t), and solving the characteristic equation for possibly-complex values of r. If instead, you are given an exotic forcing function other than a simple sine or cosine, then I recommend the Laplace transform method.
      Try a few examples both ways. See if you get consistent results, and which method seems to be easier in which circumstances.

  • @tofuwiener
    @tofuwiener Рік тому +1

    you're amazing thank you

  • @virsapienssapiens6295
    @virsapienssapiens6295 5 днів тому

    2:21 why does the x'' and x' covert into r ?

  • @enyioma8
    @enyioma8 2 роки тому +1

    " it's gonna be a block that goes... Aneeeeeeer😂😂

  • @chg691
    @chg691 3 роки тому +2

    Sir please recommend me the standard book of linear algebra and mathatical analysis with visualization....

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  3 роки тому +1

      THis is a decent free linear algebra one: open.umn.edu/opentextbooks/textbooks/5

    • @chg691
      @chg691 3 роки тому

      @@DrTrefor thanks sir

  • @rainbow_doglover8301
    @rainbow_doglover8301 8 місяців тому

    Thank you!

  • @Sarif_boy_amit_
    @Sarif_boy_amit_ 3 роки тому +2

    Sir I have a question from number system. Could you please make me understand this question kindly which is given below
    Prove that every positive integer different from 1 can be expressed as a product of a non negative power of 2 and an odd number

    • @carultch
      @carultch Рік тому +1

      What's there to prove? Look up the concept of a prime factorization.

  • @limcz259
    @limcz259 3 місяці тому

    is that possible underdamped more faster than critically damped?

  • @Ytterbium-fo4jd
    @Ytterbium-fo4jd Рік тому

    Hi, Dr.Trefor thank you for the video, but I would like to ask you that what e^rt means at 2:08~a high school student from Asia.

  • @PunmasterSTP
    @PunmasterSTP Рік тому +1

    Mechanical vibrations? More like "Might good differential revelations!"

  • @iamdanish99havocx79
    @iamdanish99havocx79 3 роки тому

    plz cover physics 2 topics and materials topics too

  • @leecollins2469
    @leecollins2469 Рік тому +1

    I found this video but don't see your Mech Vibration's Playlist on your UA-cam site. Do you have one?

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  Рік тому +1

      This video is part of my differential equations playlist.

  • @nicobriceno732
    @nicobriceno732 Рік тому

    @Dr. Trefor Bazett, When you arrived at the second order differential equation of ma + cv + kx= 0, why did you ignore the negative sign in front of the c and the k? Because if you do not ignore it, you get a sqrt(c^2 + 4mk). Then from this, how would you explain the motion of the oscillation from the discriminant?

    • @carultch
      @carultch Рік тому

      The negative signs in front of c and k, are only there when you have them on the opposite side of the equation as m*a. The negative signs switch to positive, when you move all terms to one side.
      When you solve for the values of r, you get:
      r = (-c +/- sqrt(c^2 - 4*m*k))/(2*m)
      When this c^2 - 4*m*k is negative, you get two complex conjugate numbers for r. This corresponds to an exponential decay function at the real value of r as its decay constant, that envelopes a linear combination of sine and cosine waves. Knowing that c^2 - 4*m*k is negative, you "ignore" the negative sign, carry out the root, and then know that it belongs with an imaginary unit when constructing the rest of the solution.

  • @sabarishssibi3382
    @sabarishssibi3382 3 роки тому +2

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  • @joeeeee8738
    @joeeeee8738 3 роки тому +1

    Where does that t come from in the critically damped? You didn't explain how you got there

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  3 роки тому +1

      Ah it was in the previous video in the playlist for “repeated roots”.

  • @underfilho
    @underfilho 2 роки тому

    I don't get way in the Overdamped case (2th case) r1 and r2 are both always negative. sqrt(c²-4mk) can not be greater than c? Because if can -c + sqrt(c²-4mk) > 0 and so r1 is positive.

    • @carultch
      @carultch Рік тому

      If they were positive, you'd have exponential growth, rather than exponential decay. This could only happen if time were to go backwards, and the dampers added mechanical energy to the system, instead of subtracting it.
      -c + sqrt(c^2 - 4*m*k) cannot be greater than zero, as long as m and k are both positive real numbers, which they'd have to be for this situation to be realistic. In the limit as c gets large, the -4*m*k term approaches zero. We end up with -c + sqrt(c^2), which simplifies to zero. In the limit as c approaches zero, we end up with sqrt(-4*m*k), which when divided by (2*m), gives us sqrt(k/m), as we have for the frequency of a free vibration without damping.
      One way you could make a situation where "k" is negative, is with the falling chain. You have a chain with a uniform mass per unit length, and part of it is hanging off the edge of a table, while the rest of it is sitting on the table in a straight line. After you release the other end, the part hanging over the edge pulls the rest off the table, with an acceleration that is proportional to the fraction that is hanging. In the frictionless case, the motion is modeled with the function cosh(t). This is essentially how you make a negative spring constant, because the force causing the motion is proportion to position and in the same direction as the position.

  • @gustavoespinoza7940
    @gustavoespinoza7940 2 роки тому +1

    I always thought frictional forces were nonlinear, something like
    First derivative squared

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  2 роки тому +1

      It depends on the speed and the medium. Linear for slower speeds and things like movement in fluids. Fast speeds in air quadratic.

    • @gustavoespinoza7940
      @gustavoespinoza7940 2 роки тому

      Oh my god I’m fangirling so hard rn
      You noticed me senpai

    • @carultch
      @carultch Рік тому

      @@gustavoespinoza7940 It has to do with the relative ratio of "inertial forces" to viscous forces that govern the flow. We quantify it with a unitless number called Reynolds' number, which is rho*v*x/mu. rho is the density, mu is the viscosity, v is the speed, and x is the characteristic geometry dimension.
      When Reynolds' number is low, viscosity governs, and the flow is laminar. The drag forces are proportional to speed. When Reynolds' number is high, inertial forces govern, and the flow is turbulent. The drag forces are proportional to speed squared.
      For mass/spring/damper systems, the problem is significantly more difficult to solve if friction is anything other than a viscous damper. That's most likely what is used in practice in an application such as a car's suspension system.

  • @carlmarshall5814
    @carlmarshall5814 3 роки тому

    At 1:58, the force of friction is defined as -cx', but when it's included in the larger equation it's +cx'. Is the sign arbitrary?

    • @musabothman4362
      @musabothman4362 3 роки тому +1

      the velocity could be - or + ,depending on whether the body is moving upward or downward . and the -ve sign in the equ put so that the friction force is always opposite to the direction of moving

    • @ohmc7gd7610
      @ohmc7gd7610 5 місяців тому

      ​@@musabothman4362can you explain what is c and it's units

  • @wakeawake2950
    @wakeawake2950 3 роки тому

    How to deal with a case when the mass of that block also decrease as a function of time? Like
    m(t) = m(o)- rt . I don't know how to solve it.plzz reply

    • @DrTrefor
      @DrTrefor  3 роки тому +1

      That could totally be done and just gets a new ODE. It is no longer constant coefficients, but it is still linear which is good.

  • @RyeonLok
    @RyeonLok Рік тому

    I think mazda 2 dj has characteristic of critically damped

  • @Aarreks
    @Aarreks 2 місяці тому

    But I thought force of friction was proportional to the normal force

  • @mjcatanyag2426
    @mjcatanyag2426 3 роки тому

    ❤️ thank you

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    @continnum_radhe-radhe 2 роки тому +1

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    @yaiba8992 3 роки тому +1

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      @DrTrefor  3 роки тому +2

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      @yaiba8992 3 роки тому

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    @aahys8qx 5 місяців тому

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    @sahadatislam.6336 3 роки тому

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    @dydx3741 3 роки тому +1

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  • @FancyAnimal
    @FancyAnimal 10 місяців тому

    Why would you not show the plot for all 3 cases on a single plot? You're so focused on the mathemaics, you've forgotten the qualitative value of understanding.