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Great conversation. I love hearing the Chinese perspective. I also appreciate that your guest used "stay woke" appropriately. That was a breath of fresh air!
Wonderful show Eugene and Kris. Thank you. This is the kind of conversation missing from msm, that’s so much needed to build bridges between people instead of the constant fear-mongering.
I am an overseas Chinese, Kris Yang, in my opinion is one of the most talented and well spoken (in both languages and more) social/political commentator I have ever seen from the Chinese independent/social media scene. I thoroughly enjoyed his own show on the GuanCha channel here on UA-cam. I am so glad to see him here in one of my favourite Western independent media. We Chinese want our voices (from a real Chinese person, not some self claimed China experts) heard by Western audiences, thank you BTN for making this happen!
What is the status of labor unions in China? Both Socialism and Capitalism is practiced there and it would be helpful to determine which ideology takes precedence.
@@xinyucao1247 Thanks for the response. Chinese capitalism controlled by the party is still run on competitive neoliberal principles of profit, cutting labor costs and top down management, correct? Do the workers determine the direction of these Chinese corporations? Is profit sharing a component of these entities?
Chinese society and people are in general conservative/traditional, due to beliefs and moral values passed on from ancient times. But despite this, the Chinese society can also be very inclusive due to the stress on ''harmony'' (core belief of Confucianism and also socialism/communism). However, what I think most Chinese people are against is the fake political correctness of the West, as it is often very hypocritical, like it is totally unacceptable to be against one group of people while at the same time completely fine to be xenophobic and hateful against another (Russophobia for example).
@@Bug-sg1li No, not the same at all. Western conservatism was originally all about maintaining the interests of the elite class (even now the Conservative Party of the UK for example is there to serve the interests of privileged elites), it was never a working class thing.
I couldn't agree more. Racism in the west are taught over centuries of imperialism and now that we are no longer in charge, it is time to come down from our high horse. More and more westerners are realising we ARE being brainwashed to hate people our politicial elites/establishement want us to hate, usually to our own detriment. These elites orchestrate wars all over the world, but it is the plebs that fight and die in them.
How is it possible that the Chinese people in China criticize the corporate, liberal left of the West, and not criticize the American conservatives? They totally forgot Trump?? “China virus”? “China did it”? Tariff war? Leaving the Paris Agreement? Domestic racism in America that was being reported?
Great conversation Eugene. Americans, like myself, so rarely get to hear a very articulate Chinese intellectual talk about China: its culture, its questions about America, its fears, its hopes. Thank you both; do it again soon.
Chinese impression of the USA: A lot of Americans with awesome super powers and dressed in bright, colourful, super tight outfits. We don't understand why there is so much crime in the USA when you have people (Superman, Superwoman, Batman, Iron Man, Captain Marvel, Captain America, Antman and Antlady, Black Panther, etc) with such super powers fighting crime and punishing criminals and evil doers.
Good topic. It's too bad that at around 7:00 Eugene P. contrasts woke representation with the disparity agenda. It's just an impromptu chat without much forethought, but here are some comments anyway: The second rationale is not the solution to the first, even if the critique of the first is appreciated. You don't need to stay woke, you need to understand how the culture war (woke war) is a class war of the Professional-Managerial Class that can only benefit a small percentage of the population. See on this topic the essay "The Trouble with Disparity" by Walter Benn Michaels and Adolph Reed. Equal or proportional representation in i.e. Hollywood films is about as radical as the equal distribution of wealth inequality among different racially ascribed ethnic and gender etc groups. Not very socialist at all and if that's your angle then you would be in concert with Cold War policy, which was made into something like official cultural policy in the postmodern and Cultural Studies of the 1980s and 90s. We're passed that even if people like Ta-Nehisi Coates sound like the Cosby Show. Some of the key thinkers on this are Barbara and Karen Fields, Adolph Reed, Vivek Chibber, Slavoj Zizek, Alain Badiou, Ellen Meiksins Wood, Cedric Johnson, Mark Fisher, Nevideta Majumdar, Touré Reed, Barbara Foley, Daniel Zamora, Jodi Dean, Paul Street, Sharon Smith, Dan Kovalik, Terry Eagleton, Melissa Nascheck, Ben Fong, and too few others. One issue is that the class analysis is skewed by postmodern theory. The cultural approach advanced by people like Stuart Hall was premised on more or less the end of socialism and the revolutionary left, and the idea was that the new communication technologies would allow for a proliferation of new subjectivities, so the identity struggles of the 50s and 60s that were based on universalism and civil rights were eroded in several ways that you could sum up with the terms of neoliberalism and postmodernism. See the book by Cedric Johnson, "The Panthers Can't Save Us Now" (Verso, 2022). On the subject of Barack Obama and these woke issues, see my book "Too Black to Fail: The Obama Portraits and the Politics of Post-Representation" (Red Quill Books, 2022), which discusses the work of neoliberal postmodernists like artist Kehinde Wiley and the activists who wanted to destroy the New Deal Arnautoff murals at the George Washington High School in San Francisco. For a good critique of the uses of diversity quotas in Hollywood film, see the columns by David Walsh on the World Socialist Web Site. If you don't address the international division of labour and the need to get rid of capitalism on a global scale you're wasting your time and satisfying yourself with the opiates of entertainment -- Chinese entertainment for China and American entertainment for the US, i.e. the meagre anthropological or nationalist definition of culture -- which is not to be dismissive of culture, on the contrary. And that tells you also why the Obamas are now involved in entertainment. If most crimes in the US are committed by whites (33:00), it could also be mentioned that most of the victims of police violence are working-class whites. The real issue in Eugene's way of presenting this is how someone understands the relationship of race and class, or class and nation. The "do both" race and class approach is not a socialist perspective, it's a liberal and postmodern perspective. That's the easy answer. In socialism, class is central but not exclusive. Marxists need to become more adept at disambiguating the conflations that you find in intersectionality, decoloniality, radical democracy, critical race theory, privilege theory and left populism. Brian Becker should weigh in on this identity and class discussion. It's too bad Jeffrey Sachs leaned into the lab leak conspiracy. COVID-19 is the result of zoonotic transfer. There is plenty of evidence for this and zero evidence of a lab leak, which is not even plausible at this point. The scare around gain of function research is an unfortunate side effect of the right-wing lab leak theory that preys one people's lack of scientific knowledge, much like the way that "woke" discourse (i.e. equity and difference politics) preys on people's lack of understanding of both Enlightenment philosophy (and Marxism) and postmodern theories, like discourse theory, deconstruction and Deleuzianism, etc. Scholars who are adept at one often misrepresent the other.
Obama is of mix race. His dad is a Kenyan and his mom a white woman studying in Hawaii. Obama Kenyan Dad has several wives. Obama's White Mom took young Obama to Indonesia and she married an Indonesian man. She had a mix race daughter in this marriage. Obama's White Mom was advocating micro economics, leading to poorer Indonesian.
@andrewmah5605 Obama father is actually African American journalist/poet, his Kenyan “father” was a cia agent operative taught by Obama paternal grandfather at the time in Hawaii. The Asian man who later become his stepfather was a captain from Indonesian army also play apart in the Indonesian coup of 1965-66 against Sukarno gov and helping Suharto fascist regime took over Indonesia with the help of Obama’s mother.
@@andrewmah5605 It's neither here nor there since Obama has a post-race ideology. Getting into the specifics of Obama's racial identity, separate from his politics, leads you to race reductionism, as discussed by Touré Reed in "Toward Freedom: The Case Against Race Reductionism" (Verso, 2020) and Barbara and Karen Fields, "Racecraft: The Soul of Inequality in America" (Verso, 2012). In my book, I address these issues and in the section on "Racialism and Its Discontents." I discuss a few different groupings through which Obama's racial identity is related to different class politics: Race Activists (BLM, Keeanga-Yahmatta Taylor), Post-Race Advocates (Touré Neblett, John McWhorter), Race Managers (Michael Eric Dyson, Ta-Nehisi Coates), Race Brokers (Asad Haider, Chris Chen) and the left Intellectuals who make valuable critiques of all of these.
Nonsense. The culture war doesn't exist, it's invented by the media to generate clicks and to push right wing fascist beliefs into the forefront by making "the left" enemy #1. You've fallen for it like a good little slave.
Finally-the first attempt I've ever see to tackle this thorny subject of virulent Chinese anti-black racism in China. Lotta'SPLAININ' due, esp when China suffered the great humiliation. Questions to follow.
The basic thing about the West is that in general people don't like being hit and abused and we must prevent that. That belief is actually not held by large parts of the world, including China. The West values humans as individuals, also a unique position in world history. This is where human rights come from but many nations and cultures in the world reject this idea and China is definitely one of those. The Western powers saw the Chinese legal system in action in the 1830s and saw how brutal it was and how there was no such thing as innocent till proven guilty or the accused having any rights at all and that was so anathema it insisted that Westerners would be tried by their own legal system and not by the Chinese "legal" system. I'm not saying that extraterritoriality was good or right but I can definitely understand why they didn't want a bar of the Chinese system where people's heads are cut off at the whim of some corrupt official. I would NEVER want to be ruled by the current PRC government system. If you like having no rights or freedoms, then go for it. Me, include me out.
Lol, you Westerners respect human rights so much, you had/have no problem abusing and slaughtering your fellow human beings who happen to have a different skin colour, religion/beliefs, or simply happen to exist in a foerign land you occupy/occupied and invaded. If you really valued about individual rights and freedoms of your fellow human beings, you would not try to impose your own values/beliefs onto them, conquer and occupy their land, which has been pretty much what you've done in the past 200 years. Your hypocrisy and serious lack of awareness is stunning.
Long overdue, I’ve been frustrated with the fact that we hear China watchers without any Chinese voices. The only Chinese voices that we hear are anti China Hongkong types. Thanks guys
Really excellent. You are both so articulate and made superb arguments which I really enjoyed hearing. I love learning about China and its culture. I love hearing an American put across another, better way of how the US could really be. Watching from the UK. Many thanks.
Really good conversation. Thanks. At 25:38, you said "the media DEOSN'T SEEM to speak..." Please, don't ever say something passive like "doesn't seem" when talking about the media, the Democrats, etc. Both are owned by oligarchs and both are doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing.
Well, whoever is feeling that will relate regardless, there's no need to trigger anyone who doesn't, because maybe some don't feel that way YET, BUT WILL DO, unless they feel hostility first from this side and reject it. That or maybe there were more direct statements in the context anyway so then you're right. But anyway it's better to say things more diplomatically rather than create pointless conflict, despite it's not that profitable.
@@emanuelneagu14 I think we're at the point where we must thoughtfully, but firmly, always use language that does not imply there is hope that 1 party is better than another. We must not use soft language about the actors putting on a big play with the goal of tricking voters into thinking things can be ok under the current system. Things can't and won't. A little later in the interview, the host said something direct indicating he knows the media is propaganda and working for oligarchs. We must not ever give them the benefit of the doubt or waste the opportunity educate people of the reality.
having lived in China I know that many Chinese are more informed of american politics than americans are. Americans have been so dumbed down by capitalism that it is extremely difficult to have an intelligible conversation with an average american about anything to do with politics, economics, history, science, etc..
I am so impressed by Mr. Yang’s analysis and his language skills. We need more Chinese people from China with his capability and talents in combat with the evil West led by the U.S.
The basic difference between the west especially usa is chinese DON’T politicize much but They CARE more on economy IE rice Bowl .Democracy spend too much time on politics.Chinese treasure PEACE,prosperity and non interference.
it is the thought of deng xiaoping. one need to enrich oneself first, have the weapons necessary to protect oneself and the positive spirit to build a peaceful world. without economic success, ones opinion will not be respected. just imagine, if US becomes a poor country, would US influence still exists in this world？
@@xinyucao1247 my entire life, we were taught to hate communism, especially Mao, and we in the west found it odd that chinese people have high regards for Mao, in the west we are told that Mao "killed" millions of chinese during the revolutions, but ONLY now did I realise they were all greatly exaggerated to paint China as evil. I even found out that Tiananmen is NOT a massacre, it was in fact a CIA (based in HK) that has orchestrated the violence during a peaceful protest, called "Operation Yellowbird". I shouldn't really be surprised at all given it is now known that Iraq was a lie, Syria was a lie, in fact ALMOST ALL wars inflicted by US, UK, EU, NATO are terrorism. I have now ceased to trust western propaganda medias anymore.
Representation is very important, if the character is black then yes the actor should be black and so on, we should not have a Ghandi movie played by a white guy who darkened his skin when we have so many good Indian actors.... My only gripe is having thing like the Black version of the little mermaid that is a reboot and .... That's it... They could create a whole new story where for example this black mermaid is a princess in a different kingdom who meet Ariel and both learn to discover differences....and go through challenges and come out of it stronger and wiser...instead of just saying.. let's take something from the past that made money and make it more inclusive....
i agree with this. i am a tolkien fan and not white. elves are a race- actually arguably a species. their appearance is clearly described in tolkien’s work, as were the other races. you cast someone who can pass for that race, not someone totally unlike them, just as you wouldn’t cast an African to play a Chinese character.
@@nurainiarsad7395 but then again, it's a fantasy so....yeah.... The only thing that becomes ackward I'd when dwarves who always love underground suddenly have a sun tan... I mean in the overall story it doesn't matter but... We all know that accumulation of sun over thousands of years gave some of us darker or light complexion. I'm a red head, my ancestors probably were not lately on the African continent(in the last 10000 years)...i guess I always saw the most typical dwarf taint as the duergar who represents a closer reality.....
This collaboration is a wonderful project. Strengthening the links between Chinese and Western projects is a very important task. This is why I like World Review of Political Economy (journal) and Breakthrough News.
The thing about 'baizuo', or 'white left', is that it is specifically denigrating the white bourgeoisie latte liberal. And the subject of denigration is the baizuo's sheltered existence and moral arrogance causing them to be in conflict against POCs in America and in China and the entire third world. The best example of this is Vaush and his terrible takes on almost everything that isn't related to social liberalism.
So there's a class element to 'baizuo'? I was always apprehensive about characterising it's use by some Chinese netizens as 'right wing', and that maybe the case for some ppl. But this makes more sense now.
@@JonKino828 " Someone stole my name." err, you are right. The other one created his account at Nov 12, 2021. Sorry for my replies above. I will delete them now.
1) US +Euro independent left media,.3rd 4th, etc..parties need more intl contacts + publicity, which of course means more US + NATO EU gov s increased harassment.
I mean honestly the hostility and hypocrisy from the media is relatable, honestly as a Chinese socialist I'm pretty sympathetic to Trump not for other things he does but the fact that the media united against him when he decided to run for '24... The liberal media saw him like an enemy. Can you imagine a country that call itself a democracy have major medias like CNN BBC New York Time all saying "how we stop him from running..."?
Hard to find someone who seemingly good in chinese but also speak english fluently. The guest is amazing in his analistical views, i totally agree with his assessment. American is just self center and stubborn to learn about others, much less about china….as someone once said” america is an open society but very close minded, china is a close society but very open minded”…
The issue with black actors playing roles such as Ann Boleyn is she wasn't black and it looks like Hollywood is overcompensating. I'd like to see Brad Pitt play Oprah in the Oprah Winfrey story. Why not tell great stories about black people with black actors instead of having black Hobbits.
One issue that goes over many people is that the separation between economics and social left. We need to lean (hard) left economically, like China🇨🇳. Socially, the west is already left, maybe abit too left. The former doesn't get much attention at all, it's always the latter pushed by the liberal media and so called "left" politicians and pundits. Everything in the neoliberal west is right or center right economically while way far left socially. The wealthy oligarchy in the west only really care about the economy staying right of center. We need an *economic left turn, ie. see Michael Hudson, Ellen Brown MMT btw very good show😊
I think this gentleman is completely wrong with 白左（the Baizuo he was referring). It doesn’t stand for western liberalism, it’s exactly as the wording is, white liberalism. We all know what white liberalism, has nothing to do with actual any type of equality.
Bro, if you’re going to talk about racism in America - a very sensitive topic for generations - could you at least learn he basics of how to talk about it? Otherwise it will undo what goals you have.
there is a thing like, when one flew over the cuckoos nest came out, i was dissapointed in nickleson being cast as mcmurphy, because he is a big irish guy. the key action of the movie, when chief broom throws the machine out the window and escapes, it is what mcmurphy always wanted to do. nickleson is a little guy, not a giant irish guy, and it ruined that whole thing
Most peoples issue with the LOTR tv show is that they tried and are trying to change from the source material, there is nothing wrong with pointing out that Elves where not black, if they wished for black Elves they are free to make their own story and no one would bat an eye but Hollywood is lazy and profit hungry not hungry for new stories or new concepts.
these woke people want to shove their way into the unreceptive crowd, they want to do it by revolution. the only trouble with a revolution is it's bloody, violent and destructive. Doing it by evolution is a lot tidier and peaceful, it'll just take longer.
Well, the source material itself alone is already problematic with its wholesale orientalist and xenophobic allusion of the Eastern civilization, even Miyazaki also vocally criticize it.
@@SVTDI Revolution, not really of the traditional meaning like marching, rallying, etc per se but enforcing it to an unsuspecting and uncooperative populace, by force, legislation or otherwise. Evolution is gradually changing the minds of the populace through mindful education and exposure. Gradually over time, it is not an issue anymore.
@@GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies1435 Oh well. If you want to make a movie or tv show based on a source material then be faithful to it. No one is forcing anyone to make LOTR content yet they chose it.
The conclusion that all Chinese are racist because some are is simply bigoted. Racism is human because we are tribal animals. Combating racism is a function of civilization, based of education and experience, and that is why your channel & dialogue is valuable.
I love that he said “stay woke” he certainly well informed and have a layer of depth. He is my now favourite Chinese social commentator. Eric young was my go to for a deep analysis.
China is capturing Africans in high interest loans they are unable to pay. And most of the projects headed by China, has a labor force of over 80% Chinese and little to no Africans.
Thank you for this conversation. Very articulate and completely underrepresented in the US. This is what we need in order to create world peace. Keep up the good work.
The China's transformation from the *"bicycle"* to a *"first world"* society in roughly 40 years is astonishing. However, the Chinese culture hasn't really adjusted to the new global and multicultural society. This is seen in how a lot of Chinese people treat the citizen of their neighboring country of Southeast Asia.
Eugene, when you say yes, because you mean yes- that's fantastic. Do that all the time. When you say no, but you mean yes, it is incongruent and doesn't work, it creates dissonance, like the whole "the pleasure is all mine" car crash of a thing that starts everything off wrong. "No, I think that's so important" "No, I think you are completely right". Forgive me for such a minor gripe, but this one does grate on me. The reason it's such a minor gripe is because there's nothing else to even try and criticize. Breakthrough news is and continues to be fantastic.
East is East and West is West and never the twain shall meet wrote Rudyard Kipling over 100 years ago, and he was correct in his assessment. China and the West have had over 400 years to get to know and understand each other and they still don't.
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Well done both of you. Appreciate this so much. Solidarity from our little leftist independently media studio to both of you. Keep it moving!
Great conversation. I love hearing the Chinese perspective. I also appreciate that your guest used "stay woke" appropriately. That was a breath of fresh air!
Check out wave media please. You might be pleasantly surprised
@@yeungnanami9100 thanks for the rec!
Great conversation! I doubt there are many Americans thst have as much insight into China as Kris has into America and the West generally.
Wonderful show Eugene and Kris. Thank you. This is the kind of conversation missing from msm, that’s so much needed to build bridges between people instead of the constant fear-mongering.
I am an overseas Chinese, Kris Yang, in my opinion is one of the most talented and well spoken (in both languages and more) social/political commentator I have ever seen from the Chinese independent/social media scene. I thoroughly enjoyed his own show on the GuanCha channel here on UA-cam. I am so glad to see him here in one of my favourite Western independent media. We Chinese want our voices (from a real Chinese person, not some self claimed China experts) heard by Western audiences, thank you BTN for making this happen!
What is the status of labor unions in China? Both Socialism and Capitalism is practiced there and it would be helpful to determine which ideology takes precedence.
@@presterjohn1697 socialism or the ccp oversee the capitalist. capitalist with chinese characteristics manage the economic part of the country.
Fellow overseas Chinese here. Seconded that. Been a fan of kris yang for a long time. Glad to see him again
@@xinyucao1247 Thanks for the response. Chinese capitalism controlled by the party is still run on competitive neoliberal principles of profit, cutting labor costs and top down management, correct?
Do the workers determine the direction of these Chinese corporations? Is profit sharing a component of these entities?
@@presterjohn1697
It is extremely hard to fire workers
Chinese society and people are in general conservative/traditional, due to beliefs and moral values passed on from ancient times. But despite this, the Chinese society can also be very inclusive due to the stress on ''harmony'' (core belief of Confucianism and also socialism/communism). However, what I think most Chinese people are against is the fake political correctness of the West, as it is often very hypocritical, like it is totally unacceptable to be against one group of people while at the same time completely fine to be xenophobic and hateful against another (Russophobia for example).
Confucius includes both conservative and liberal values and more. Its hardly similar to western conservatism.
@@Bug-sg1li No, not the same at all. Western conservatism was originally all about maintaining the interests of the elite class (even now the Conservative Party of the UK for example is there to serve the interests of privileged elites), it was never a working class thing.
peace and love over conflict and hatred.
I couldn't agree more. Racism in the west are taught over centuries of imperialism and now that we are no longer in charge, it is time to come down from our high horse. More and more westerners are realising we ARE being brainwashed to hate people our politicial elites/establishement want us to hate, usually to our own detriment. These elites orchestrate wars all over the world, but it is the plebs that fight and die in them.
How is it possible that the Chinese people in China criticize the corporate, liberal left of the West, and not criticize the American conservatives? They totally forgot Trump?? “China virus”? “China did it”? Tariff war? Leaving the Paris Agreement? Domestic racism in America that was being reported?
Great conversation Eugene. Americans, like myself, so rarely get to hear a very articulate Chinese intellectual talk about China: its culture, its questions about America, its fears, its hopes. Thank you both; do it again soon.
Chinese impression of the USA: A lot of Americans with awesome super powers and dressed in bright, colourful, super tight outfits. We don't understand why there is so much crime in the USA when you have people (Superman, Superwoman, Batman, Iron Man, Captain Marvel, Captain America, Antman and Antlady, Black Panther, etc) with such super powers fighting crime and punishing criminals and evil doers.
Excellent conversation, many points that I also think are contentious amongst people from different countries were raised!
Thank you!
great dialogue i love this idea ❤
The host needs to take a breath and not talk so much, let the guest have more of a say. We all know how it is in America already.
Does BreakThrough News upload videos to YouKu as well? You could use the Chinese subtitles to add to your UA-cam videos too
I think Bilibili seems to be the most popular one when it comes to Chinese video streaming service, but ppl also use Xigua.
Wow, I did not know of the unsegregated blood bank for China in WWII. Eugene is a font of hidden knowledge.
You are great because you are mighty. In short, might is right and that's the policy the US and the West for the last 200 years.
But the last few years has shown that we are on a huge change
This Chinese guy is quite intelligent
Good topic. It's too bad that at around 7:00 Eugene P. contrasts woke representation with the disparity agenda. It's just an impromptu chat without much forethought, but here are some comments anyway: The second rationale is not the solution to the first, even if the critique of the first is appreciated. You don't need to stay woke, you need to understand how the culture war (woke war) is a class war of the Professional-Managerial Class that can only benefit a small percentage of the population. See on this topic the essay "The Trouble with Disparity" by Walter Benn Michaels and Adolph Reed. Equal or proportional representation in i.e. Hollywood films is about as radical as the equal distribution of wealth inequality among different racially ascribed ethnic and gender etc groups. Not very socialist at all and if that's your angle then you would be in concert with Cold War policy, which was made into something like official cultural policy in the postmodern and Cultural Studies of the 1980s and 90s. We're passed that even if people like Ta-Nehisi Coates sound like the Cosby Show. Some of the key thinkers on this are Barbara and Karen Fields, Adolph Reed, Vivek Chibber, Slavoj Zizek, Alain Badiou, Ellen Meiksins Wood, Cedric Johnson, Mark Fisher, Nevideta Majumdar, Touré Reed, Barbara Foley, Daniel Zamora, Jodi Dean, Paul Street, Sharon Smith, Dan Kovalik, Terry Eagleton, Melissa Nascheck, Ben Fong, and too few others. One issue is that the class analysis is skewed by postmodern theory. The cultural approach advanced by people like Stuart Hall was premised on more or less the end of socialism and the revolutionary left, and the idea was that the new communication technologies would allow for a proliferation of new subjectivities, so the identity struggles of the 50s and 60s that were based on universalism and civil rights were eroded in several ways that you could sum up with the terms of neoliberalism and postmodernism. See the book by Cedric Johnson, "The Panthers Can't Save Us Now" (Verso, 2022). On the subject of Barack Obama and these woke issues, see my book "Too Black to Fail: The Obama Portraits and the Politics of Post-Representation" (Red Quill Books, 2022), which discusses the work of neoliberal postmodernists like artist Kehinde Wiley and the activists who wanted to destroy the New Deal Arnautoff murals at the George Washington High School in San Francisco. For a good critique of the uses of diversity quotas in Hollywood film, see the columns by David Walsh on the World Socialist Web Site. If you don't address the international division of labour and the need to get rid of capitalism on a global scale you're wasting your time and satisfying yourself with the opiates of entertainment -- Chinese entertainment for China and American entertainment for the US, i.e. the meagre anthropological or nationalist definition of culture -- which is not to be dismissive of culture, on the contrary. And that tells you also why the Obamas are now involved in entertainment. If most crimes in the US are committed by whites (33:00), it could also be mentioned that most of the victims of police violence are working-class whites. The real issue in Eugene's way of presenting this is how someone understands the relationship of race and class, or class and nation. The "do both" race and class approach is not a socialist perspective, it's a liberal and postmodern perspective. That's the easy answer. In socialism, class is central but not exclusive. Marxists need to become more adept at disambiguating the conflations that you find in intersectionality, decoloniality, radical democracy, critical race theory, privilege theory and left populism. Brian Becker should weigh in on this identity and class discussion. It's too bad Jeffrey Sachs leaned into the lab leak conspiracy. COVID-19 is the result of zoonotic transfer. There is plenty of evidence for this and zero evidence of a lab leak, which is not even plausible at this point. The scare around gain of function research is an unfortunate side effect of the right-wing lab leak theory that preys one people's lack of scientific knowledge, much like the way that "woke" discourse (i.e. equity and difference politics) preys on people's lack of understanding of both Enlightenment philosophy (and Marxism) and postmodern theories, like discourse theory, deconstruction and Deleuzianism, etc. Scholars who are adept at one often misrepresent the other.
Obama is of mix race. His dad is a Kenyan and his mom a white woman studying in Hawaii. Obama Kenyan Dad has several wives. Obama's White Mom took young Obama to Indonesia and she married an Indonesian man. She had a mix race daughter in this marriage. Obama's White Mom was advocating micro economics, leading to poorer Indonesian.
@andrewmah5605 Obama father is actually African American journalist/poet, his Kenyan “father” was a cia agent operative taught by Obama paternal grandfather at the time in Hawaii. The Asian man who later become his stepfather was a captain from Indonesian army also play apart in the Indonesian coup of 1965-66 against Sukarno gov and helping Suharto fascist regime took over Indonesia with the help of Obama’s mother.
@@andrewmah5605 It's neither here nor there since Obama has a post-race ideology. Getting into the specifics of Obama's racial identity, separate from his politics, leads you to race reductionism, as discussed by Touré Reed in "Toward Freedom: The Case Against Race Reductionism" (Verso, 2020) and Barbara and Karen Fields, "Racecraft: The Soul of Inequality in America" (Verso, 2012). In my book, I address these issues and in the section on "Racialism and Its Discontents." I discuss a few different groupings through which Obama's racial identity is related to different class politics: Race Activists (BLM, Keeanga-Yahmatta Taylor), Post-Race Advocates (Touré Neblett, John McWhorter), Race Managers (Michael Eric Dyson, Ta-Nehisi Coates), Race Brokers (Asad Haider, Chris Chen) and the left Intellectuals who make valuable critiques of all of these.
Nonsense.
The culture war doesn't exist, it's invented by the media to generate clicks and to push right wing fascist beliefs into the forefront by making "the left" enemy #1. You've fallen for it like a good little slave.
Finally-the first attempt I've ever see to tackle this thorny subject of virulent Chinese anti-black racism in China. Lotta'SPLAININ' due, esp when China suffered the great humiliation. Questions to follow.
Good interview.
Lot’s of J Sakai’s Settlers covered this 40 years ago.
Tkanks for pointing that out. Just looked up the book📚 sounds pretty interesting.
Excellent conversation
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Works for me. Check your sound and internet.
Sounds good to me.
The basic thing about the West is that in general people don't like being hit and abused and we must prevent that. That belief is actually not held by large parts of the world, including China. The West values humans as individuals, also a unique position in world history. This is where human rights come from but many nations and cultures in the world reject this idea and China is definitely one of those. The Western powers saw the Chinese legal system in action in the 1830s and saw how brutal it was and how there was no such thing as innocent till proven guilty or the accused having any rights at all and that was so anathema it insisted that Westerners would be tried by their own legal system and not by the Chinese "legal" system. I'm not saying that extraterritoriality was good or right but I can definitely understand why they didn't want a bar of the Chinese system where people's heads are cut off at the whim of some corrupt official. I would NEVER want to be ruled by the current PRC government system. If you like having no rights or freedoms, then go for it. Me, include me out.
Lol, you Westerners respect human rights so much, you had/have no problem abusing and slaughtering your fellow human beings who happen to have a different skin colour, religion/beliefs, or simply happen to exist in a foerign land you occupy/occupied and invaded. If you really valued about individual rights and freedoms of your fellow human beings, you would not try to impose your own values/beliefs onto them, conquer and occupy their land, which has been pretty much what you've done in the past 200 years. Your hypocrisy and serious lack of awareness is stunning.
U r welcome to indulge in your ignorance
Are you for real?
Long overdue, I’ve been frustrated with the fact that we hear China watchers without any Chinese voices. The only Chinese voices that we hear are anti China Hongkong types. Thanks guys
So good to see this!
Fully agreed. It is such a great discussion. Love them both.
Really excellent. You are both so articulate and made superb arguments which I really enjoyed hearing.
I love learning about China and its culture. I love hearing an American put across another, better way of how the US could really be.
Watching from the UK. Many thanks.
Really good conversation. Thanks. At 25:38, you said "the media DEOSN'T SEEM to speak..." Please, don't ever say something passive like "doesn't seem" when talking about the media, the Democrats, etc. Both are owned by oligarchs and both are doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing.
they don’t _seem_ to speak because their raison d’être is to disseminate propaganda.
It seems that way.
@@wnklee6878 Ha. Nice.
Well, whoever is feeling that will relate regardless, there's no need to trigger anyone who doesn't, because maybe some don't feel that way YET, BUT WILL DO, unless they feel hostility first from this side and reject it.
That or maybe there were more direct statements in the context anyway so then you're right. But anyway it's better to say things more diplomatically rather than create pointless conflict, despite it's not that profitable.
@@emanuelneagu14 I think we're at the point where we must thoughtfully, but firmly, always use language that does not imply there is hope that 1 party is better than another. We must not use soft language about the actors putting on a big play with the goal of tricking voters into thinking things can be ok under the current system. Things can't and won't. A little later in the interview, the host said something direct indicating he knows the media is propaganda and working for oligarchs. We must not ever give them the benefit of the doubt or waste the opportunity educate people of the reality.
Wow ❤ China 🇨🇳
having lived in China I know that many Chinese are more informed of american politics than americans are. Americans have been so dumbed down by capitalism that it is extremely difficult to have an intelligible conversation with an average american about anything to do with politics, economics, history, science, etc..
I am so impressed by Mr. Yang’s analysis and his language skills. We need more Chinese people from China with his capability and talents in combat with the evil West led by the U.S.
Good conversation ... kudos to BreakThrough News
Wow! Thanks for this interview 👍 keep them coming
When you fears someone doing better you must had guilty conscious
US congress marked 500 millions for anti China things in recent legislation HR 4521 and S 1260
The basic difference between the west especially usa is chinese DON’T politicize much but They CARE more on economy IE rice Bowl .Democracy spend too much time on politics.Chinese treasure PEACE,prosperity and non interference.
it is the thought of deng xiaoping. one need to enrich oneself first, have the weapons necessary to protect oneself and the positive spirit to build a peaceful world. without economic success, ones opinion will not be respected. just imagine, if US becomes a poor country, would US influence still exists in this world？
@@xinyucao1247 my entire life, we were taught to hate communism, especially Mao, and we in the west found it odd that chinese people have high regards for Mao, in the west we are told that Mao "killed" millions of chinese during the revolutions, but ONLY now did I realise they were all greatly exaggerated to paint China as evil.
I even found out that Tiananmen is NOT a massacre, it was in fact a CIA (based in HK) that has orchestrated the violence during a peaceful protest, called "Operation Yellowbird".
I shouldn't really be surprised at all given it is now known that Iraq was a lie, Syria was a lie, in fact ALMOST ALL wars inflicted by US, UK, EU, NATO are terrorism.
I have now ceased to trust western propaganda medias anymore.
Representation is very important, if the character is black then yes the actor should be black and so on, we should not have a Ghandi movie played by a white guy who darkened his skin when we have so many good Indian actors.... My only gripe is having thing like the Black version of the little mermaid that is a reboot and .... That's it...
They could create a whole new story where for example this black mermaid is a princess in a different kingdom who meet Ariel and both learn to discover differences....and go through challenges and come out of it stronger and wiser...instead of just saying.. let's take something from the past that made money and make it more inclusive....
i agree with this. i am a tolkien fan and not white. elves are a race- actually arguably a species. their appearance is clearly described in tolkien’s work, as were the other races. you cast someone who can pass for that race, not someone totally unlike them, just as you wouldn’t cast an African to play a Chinese character.
@@nurainiarsad7395 but then again, it's a fantasy so....yeah.... The only thing that becomes ackward I'd when dwarves who always love underground suddenly have a sun tan... I mean in the overall story it doesn't matter but... We all know that accumulation of sun over thousands of years gave some of us darker or light complexion. I'm a red head, my ancestors probably were not lately on the African continent(in the last 10000 years)...i guess I always saw the most typical dwarf taint as the duergar who represents a closer reality.....
Brilliant. Encouraging. Thanks.
Excellent dialogue and analysis 👍👍👍👍💪💪💪💪💪
This collaboration is a wonderful project. Strengthening the links between Chinese and Western projects is a very important task. This is why I like World Review of Political Economy (journal) and Breakthrough News.
Kris, Eugene, you MUST keep this thing going, i'll back you 1,000% . such an exchange is so important. keep up the good werk, all da best.
Capitalism, wih Chinese characteristics.
This is one of the best conversation on China v US from Eugene Puryear and Kris Yang.
The thing about 'baizuo', or 'white left', is that it is specifically denigrating the white bourgeoisie latte liberal. And the subject of denigration is the baizuo's sheltered existence and moral arrogance causing them to be in conflict against POCs in America and in China and the entire third world. The best example of this is Vaush and his terrible takes on almost everything that isn't related to social liberalism.
So there's a class element to 'baizuo'? I was always apprehensive about characterising it's use by some Chinese netizens as 'right wing', and that maybe the case for some ppl. But this makes more sense now.
Great discussion. Does Kris Yang has an English UA-cam channel?
Would live to hear more from perspective of someone inside China.
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Great talk guy just stumbled on this Chanel
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1) US +Euro independent left media,.3rd
4th, etc..parties need more intl contacts + publicity, which of course means more
US + NATO EU gov s increased harassment.
I mean honestly the hostility and hypocrisy from the media is relatable, honestly as a Chinese socialist I'm pretty sympathetic to Trump not for other things he does but the fact that the media united against him when he decided to run for '24... The liberal media saw him like an enemy. Can you imagine a country that call itself a democracy have major medias like CNN BBC New York Time all saying "how we stop him from running..."?
Hard to find someone who seemingly good in chinese but also speak english fluently. The guest is amazing in his analistical views, i totally agree with his assessment. American is just self center and stubborn to learn about others, much less about china….as someone once said” america is an open society but very close minded, china is a close society but very open minded”…
Brilliant!! & greatly needed!!🙏🏼💯
3rd comment 😅 hoping this helps with the algorithm
The issue with black actors playing roles such as Ann Boleyn is she wasn't black and it looks like Hollywood is overcompensating. I'd like to see Brad Pitt play Oprah in the Oprah Winfrey story. Why not tell great stories about black people with black actors instead of having black Hobbits.
I’m from Nigeria live in NYC I love this conversation Black “stay woke”
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Love this serious dialogue
Great conversation, and like hear more.
Sadly, 99% of Americans will not be able to comprehend the discussion that had taken place here. This is so mind blowing.
One issue that goes over many people is that the separation between economics and social left. We need to lean (hard) left economically, like China🇨🇳. Socially, the west is already left, maybe abit too left. The former doesn't get much attention at all, it's always the latter pushed by the liberal media and so called "left" politicians and pundits. Everything in the neoliberal west is right or center right economically while way far left socially. The wealthy oligarchy in the west only really care about the economy staying right of center. We need an *economic left turn, ie. see Michael Hudson, Ellen Brown MMT
btw very good show😊
I think this gentleman is completely wrong with 白左（the Baizuo he was referring). It doesn’t stand for western liberalism, it’s exactly as the wording is, white liberalism. We all know what white liberalism, has nothing to do with actual any type of equality.
Bro, if you’re going to talk about racism in America - a very sensitive topic for generations - could you at least learn he basics of how to talk about it? Otherwise it will undo what goals you have.
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0:08 *Baaaaaaaased.*
Keep up the good work guys!
Love this new series!
there is a thing like, when one flew over the cuckoos nest came out, i was dissapointed in nickleson being cast as mcmurphy, because he is a big irish guy. the key action of the movie, when chief broom throws the machine out the window and escapes, it is what mcmurphy always wanted to do. nickleson is a little guy, not a giant irish guy, and it ruined that whole thing
Liberalism is just liberal on principles.
Thank you ❤️😊❤️😊❤️❤️❤️❤️😊
very intelligent host
Excellent
Most peoples issue with the LOTR tv show is that they tried and are trying to change from the source material, there is nothing wrong with pointing out that Elves where not black, if they wished for black Elves they are free to make their own story and no one would bat an eye but Hollywood is lazy and profit hungry not hungry for new stories or new concepts.
these woke people want to shove their way into the unreceptive crowd, they want to do it by revolution. the only trouble with a revolution is it's bloody, violent and destructive. Doing it by evolution is a lot tidier and peaceful, it'll just take longer.
@@rap3208 revolution is the asnwer when the majority of the people support it. The thing is the majority does not support thise woke shit.
Well, the source material itself alone is already problematic with its wholesale orientalist and xenophobic allusion of the Eastern civilization, even Miyazaki also vocally criticize it.
@@SVTDI Revolution, not really of the traditional meaning like marching, rallying, etc per se but enforcing it to an unsuspecting and uncooperative populace, by force, legislation or otherwise. Evolution is gradually changing the minds of the populace through mindful education and exposure. Gradually over time, it is not an issue anymore.
@@GuyWhoLikesTheSnarkies1435 Oh well. If you want to make a movie or tv show based on a source material then be faithful to it. No one is forcing anyone to make LOTR content yet they chose it.
Everyone makes fun of the woke left except themselves
"the woke left" is an invention by the media
The conclusion that all Chinese are racist because some are is simply bigoted. Racism is human because we are tribal animals. Combating racism is a function of civilization, based of education and experience, and that is why your channel & dialogue is valuable.
I love that he said “stay woke” he certainly well informed and have a layer of depth. He is my now favourite Chinese social commentator. Eric young was my go to for a deep analysis.
Great video, sadly the majority of America will never watch it nor stomach the genuine viewpoints here
“洋眉吐气”Kris！ Hope we can see you here more often! One of my favourites “actors” from Guancha Channel lol
Wow this was great I love the quest, he well informed and articulate
And lots of people believe captain America a here even though they know it a fiction
Thank you for your perspectives
Nice content and topics. Subbed.
Are yall gonna talk about castillo?
I've seen this video before. Did YT delete it? ✌
Has anyone defined "woke"?
the last 10 year of protesting has not changed 1 single thing = apart for some small talk
This is one of my favourite collab shows. Love BreakThrough and Wave.
It's so awesome that you found a guy who represents all Chinese people, does he also represent overseas Chinese?
I think he does, I believe he spent many years in the West, studying and more, he understands the West very well.
What about China in Africa?
Command and Conquer
What about it China is not invaded Africa.
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China is capturing Africans in high interest loans they are unable to pay. And most of the projects headed by China, has a labor force of over 80% Chinese and little to no Africans.
Thank you for this conversation. Very articulate and completely underrepresented in the US. This is what we need in order to create world peace. Keep up the good work.
It's never the intention of the US to have world peace bcos they prospered by sowing chaos n sorrow to others
The China's transformation from the *"bicycle"* to a *"first world"* society in roughly 40 years is astonishing. However, the Chinese culture hasn't really adjusted to the new global and multicultural society. This is seen in how a lot of Chinese people treat the citizen of their neighboring country of Southeast Asia.
Eugene, when you say yes, because you mean yes- that's fantastic. Do that all the time. When you say no, but you mean yes, it is incongruent and doesn't work, it creates dissonance, like the whole "the pleasure is all mine" car crash of a thing that starts everything off wrong. "No, I think that's so important" "No, I think you are completely right". Forgive me for such a minor gripe, but this one does grate on me. The reason it's such a minor gripe is because there's nothing else to even try and criticize. Breakthrough news is and continues to be fantastic.
Lol, your comment made me laugh, don't be too picky ; )
East is East and West is West and never the twain shall meet wrote Rudyard Kipling over 100 years ago, and he was correct in his assessment. China and the West have had over 400 years to get to know and understand each other and they still don't.
"Liberalism" is thrown about rather liberally in this video. But they don't define it. What the hell is "liberalism" in context of this?