Fix Backlash - CNCnutz Episode 222

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  • Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
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    Following on from the last video I explore further the problem of backlash on our CNC machines and how we can use backlash compensation to fix it. Before we start we first need to now what Backlash is and what causes it.
    Put simply backlash is the effective loss of steps when an axis changes direction. These steps are used to take up the slack in the system before it starts moving in the opposite direction. These steps are not translated into movement in the axis so it doesn't travel the full distance. Backlash is non cumulative so will not increase as the cut progresses.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 84

  • @darkwinter6028
    @darkwinter6028 5 років тому +5

    It’s almost 3am here... how did you know? 😜

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      You can rest easy now.
      Cheers
      Peter

    • @R3N0T3
      @R3N0T3 3 роки тому

      Underrated Comment in an underrated video :) (I was expecting it to have way more views). It pains me to live in a world that doesn't care about backlash!!!! Great video and thanks for sharing your experience/knowledge!

    • @seimela
      @seimela 2 роки тому

      @@R3N0T3 title must be modified

  • @zulfqarali8603
    @zulfqarali8603 5 років тому +1

    Very well done Peter, your macro saved me lots of hassle.

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      Thanks Zulfqar glad it helps.
      Cheers
      Peter

  • @shaunwhiteley3544
    @shaunwhiteley3544 5 років тому

    Sorry you may not had a lot of views yet on this video but for us who do watch, Thank you! Very good info and very much appreciated! Cheers

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      Thanks Shaun. It normally takes a couple of days for the views to get to what I would call the initial watched level. Given the different time zones and the fact I release it while most of my audience is still in bed. it takes a while.
      cheers
      Peter

  • @solarmandave
    @solarmandave 5 років тому

    Peter, Thanks for the great calibration videos. I just got around to doing the backlash. Before I started I noticed a very loose Y axis which I was able to fix quickly. (I wouldn't have found unless I was fiddling around... thanks) Next I did the x axis that looked great. The Y axis needed a bit of backlash and the Z was spot on. Love the videos and enjoy your humor. Keep them coming. Next stop- new pendant, ordered a few minutes ago (PS4 made by VistaCNC).

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      Thanks Dave.

  • @solarmandave
    @solarmandave 5 років тому

    Peter, Excellent. I have thought about the backlash but never knew how to start to measure it or fix. I'll be heading down to the shop in the morning. Thanks.
    Dave

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      Good one Dave.

  • @j.hankinson7803
    @j.hankinson7803 Рік тому

    Thanks again for another great tutorial

  • @johnrevill9592
    @johnrevill9592 5 років тому

    Great video Peter. This is the best video I have seen on backlash to date. I might be a little biased, but Excellent Job.

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      +John Revill
      Thanks John. I think your allowed to be bias. 😉
      Cheers
      Peter

  • @red6rick
    @red6rick 5 років тому

    Peter, THANKS! I had some lingering issues with my machine, and backlash never crossed my mind. Z and Y were perfect, but X was really sloppy.
    Happy cuts to you!

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      Good one Rick. You will be away and laughing now.
      Cheers
      Peter

  • @TalkieT
    @TalkieT 5 років тому

    Many thanks - I had done this manually a couple of times but this makes it so much easier to replicate and confirm the results...

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      Thanks Neil
      The macro certainly makes things easy. Hopefully ask tested good.
      Cheers
      Peter

  • @rtkracht
    @rtkracht 5 років тому

    Great job Peter! Heading to the shop now to give it a try.

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      Thanks Rusty.

  • @Gopher_Rancher
    @Gopher_Rancher 5 років тому +2

    The thing I dislike the most about digital indicators is whenever I need to use one the battery is usually dead. Thanks for the informative video and the Mach3 macro.

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому +2

      I know what you mean. Everything has a battery these days and they are all flat.
      Cheers
      Peter

    • @shaunwhiteley3544
      @shaunwhiteley3544 5 років тому +3

      CNCnutz (Peter Passuello) I have seen a lot of round and rectangular batteries as well 😀, not just flat 🤗

  • @InvestmentsRUs
    @InvestmentsRUs 5 років тому

    Thank you sooooooooo much; you saved many 1000's hours for people

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      Thanks Vivart

  • @23fields
    @23fields 5 років тому +1

    my back has some backlash when i bend the wrong direction. Good video man

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      Thanks Frankie.

  • @paweljasinski8612
    @paweljasinski8612 3 роки тому

    That's a nice way of dealing with backlah.I wish that would be a macro for centroid .Great job.

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  3 роки тому

      I just uploaded a Gcode version of the Backlash test routine and added it to my writeup.
      Follow the link under the video.
      Cheers Peter

  • @KennethHall
    @KennethHall 2 роки тому

    I added backlash compensation to my machine because I was getting a positional error while doing inlays. X and Y required a .013 (imperial) entry to the backlash compensation in the Mach3 machine. after restarting I got backlash down to .001 which was ok for me, but I then ran a test using a 10-degree engraving bit .0100 deep, and at each quadrant, the backlash compensation corrected the position and had a jagged movement to correct for the backlash. Backlash measurement only measures it in the axis understudy so a multi-axis move may be aggravated by the compensation. Further research in Mach 3 manual said that using this method should be the last step. it trying to correct for backlash if all other steps failed. I was hoping to correct my backlash in software but learned that must resolve why I have the physical or mechanical problem first. I think it is the nut that is the main culprit, and I am researching that now. Thanks for your series, I enjoy all the episodes you produce. --Ken

  • @thanhnhanhuynhnguyen3652
    @thanhnhanhuynhnguyen3652 2 роки тому

    Thanks a lot! Brilliant video

  • @alistairecook4606
    @alistairecook4606 3 роки тому

    That dial moved 3 micron! I'm a service engineer and wouldn't worry about anything less than 10 generally on a 250k machine so for the hobbyist I'd say anything less than 0.1mm is perfectly acceptable. You have too many factors (encoder accuracy, dial accuracy, motor accuracy, etc..) eventually there comes a point where your fighting against each one. So to chase less than 5 microns you would be there a long time and may never get anywhere because of those other factors!
    In context the average human hair is 60 microns 0.060mm!
    Great video by the way!

  • @masf1977
    @masf1977 5 років тому

    Pete, you are a genius.Thanks for sharing.

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      Thanks Manny
      I can't really take credit for a file someone gave me and explaining a subject older than I am but thanks anyway.
      Cheers
      Peter

  • @MrDaniell1234
    @MrDaniell1234 5 років тому

    Good shit Peter I am going to give this a shot next week. hopefully, I can get the same results. the temp of the day can make a difference.

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      Thanks Daniel. Good thought about the temp especially on hot days and cold nights. I'll worry about that when NASA comes calling for my services. 😉
      Cheers
      Peter

    • @MrDaniell1234
      @MrDaniell1234 5 років тому +1

      don't you mean rock lab LOL

    • @johnrevill9592
      @johnrevill9592 5 років тому

      I have tested backlash on an 8degC morning and 35DegC Day and on my setup at least, I don't see a measurable difference in backlash.

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      Thanks for letting us know. We thankfully don't get that type of temperature here. 30 is about as high as it gets here and that's far too hot for me. Mind you below 20 is too cold.
      Cheers
      Peter

  • @mestevep12
    @mestevep12 5 років тому

    Thank you for another great video and your macro !!!

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      Thanks Stephen

  • @shaunwhiteley3544
    @shaunwhiteley3544 5 років тому

    That looked like a lot of macros in your Mach3 folder. Fancy doing a video on them and sharing any good ones 😀. Please 🙏. Cheers

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      All the Macrors you saw in my folder are the default ones that come with Mach3
      Ihave absolutley no idea what most of the do but the ones with nimbers below 100 are the M codes used in Gcode. eg M6 for a tool change.
      Cheers
      Peter

  • @robertturner1550
    @robertturner1550 3 роки тому

    Great video.

  • @MegaTopdogs
    @MegaTopdogs 5 років тому

    Excellent, Peter! Thank you!

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      Thanks Geert

  • @ArcticSeaCamel
    @ArcticSeaCamel 2 роки тому +1

    Great tutorial! Thanks! Found you by my viewers' suggestion. :)
    And thanks for the macros! I'm using UCCNC and need soon to make final adjustments to my BIG cnc machine I've built. You can check the videos from my channel if you like.

  • @grantclarke4713
    @grantclarke4713 5 років тому

    Great information Peter.....thanks

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      Thanks Grant

  • @incyberideas
    @incyberideas 4 місяці тому

    Hello, thank you for your script. I need community advice. I'm setting up the backslash in the settings, saving it. Then I'm doing Save Config. Then I'm restarting Mach3. I double-check, and there are no changes. No matter what value I enter in Backslash, there are no changes.

  • @azademambocus
    @azademambocus Рік тому

    Hello Peter can you please tell me where you bought the rack and pinion drive .

  • @dptp9lf
    @dptp9lf 5 років тому

    Thanks much Peter... gonna try this on mine. I don't even have a hairless cat either!

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      Thanks Lyle. Neither did I until recently.

  • @akka4751
    @akka4751 Рік тому

    hello peter, thanks for the great video! i'm a mach3 user i'm getting crazy cause i'm not able to find any usb motion controller that support backlash compensation in mach3... do you have any suggestion? should i opt for an ethernet controller???

  • @Freetheworldnow
    @Freetheworldnow 5 років тому

    Good tutorial. Refreshing.
    Cheers.

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      Thanks Pierre

  • @bengrobben2582
    @bengrobben2582 3 роки тому

    this is a really nice video. is there a way to take this software and use it in the openbuilds software program? i use the blackbox and it dont have backlash option.

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  3 роки тому

      I just added a Gcode version of the backlash script that will work with any machine.
      You can download it from my website. Follow the link under the video.
      Cheers Peter

  • @johnhorne3862
    @johnhorne3862 5 років тому

    Good video.

  • @thefloormat
    @thefloormat 3 роки тому

    Hey Peter, I've been having issues with my Gatton and zeroing. I did your backlash test and I have about 0.002 even tho I have backlash nuts. When I go to try and fix it in the mach3 backlash settings, it doesn't change anything....any ideas?

  • @dharmendrasuthar4342
    @dharmendrasuthar4342 3 роки тому

    What does khz mean on cnc board?

  • @fbchess
    @fbchess 5 років тому

    Great video. I have a Shopbot Buddy PRS alpha that uses Shopbot 3 software. Is there a macro available for backlash testing that would work in my control software?

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      The macros I showed were custom written for UCCNC and Mach3 by John and myself. To the best of knowledge there is no similar macros but I am not familiar with shopbot software.
      Cheers
      Peter

  • @joem5110
    @joem5110 5 років тому

    So going from one direction to the other, does Mach 3 add additional steps to take up the backlash and not calculate them in position?

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому +1

      It adds the additional steps to make the distance travelled correct.
      Cheers
      Peter

  • @TalkieT
    @TalkieT 5 років тому

    How have you found that .001 indicator? Is it actually any more useful than the .01?

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      I only just bought it so other than the last 2 videos I haven't used it for anything else. Maybe in the future I will find other uses but not really sure if I will need the extra resolution.
      Cheers
      Peter

  • @shaunwhiteley3544
    @shaunwhiteley3544 5 років тому

    I understand how the system compensates on direct x,y or z movements, but if your moving diagonal or circular motion and reverse direction does it compensate by ratio/percentage of the backlash? Cheers

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      Yes it does. It doesn't matter what direction you move. Before an axis can change direction it has to take up the slack in the drive so the backlash figure is exactly the same wetere ou are moving straight or diagonal. there is no percentage.

  • @trent79
    @trent79 5 років тому

    Hi I am next door from Australia I have a program running right now can you please let me no how I can stop it and continue tomorrow I am using mach3 thanks👍

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      Hi trent
      Watch this video on stopping and starting Mach3
      ua-cam.com/video/x6gvNP2paCo/v-deo.html
      The short answer is press the feed hold button and when the machine stops moving turn off the spindle. Do not turn off the machine.
      Cheers
      Peter

  • @neuxstone
    @neuxstone 5 років тому

    Great vid Peter...!

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      Thanks David

  • @marcus3d
    @marcus3d Рік тому

    You're not fixing backlash here. The problem isn't only that it won't go back to where it was, but also that it's backdrivable the backlash length. E.g., maybe your z measurements show 0 backlash because your gantry is so heavy that it'll just backdrive itself down, but as soon as you start to actually cut something, that will push it up by the backlash amount. Or if you have some backlash compensation in x, but as soon as you put pressure on it it'll move by the backlash amount in the backdrivable direction. In these cases backlash compensation does nothing. So it basically only works if your router is so massive with so much friction that it will completely overwhelm the cutting forces.

  • @zulfqarali8603
    @zulfqarali8603 5 років тому

    BTW: Link to the digiDial is no longer valid.

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому +1

      Thanks. That's the problem with specific links to sellers.

  • @deanrichards9541
    @deanrichards9541 5 років тому +1

    No more “whip” this week? 😋

    • @cncnutz
      @cncnutz  5 років тому

      Whip free 😉

  • @cenktaskent5072
    @cenktaskent5072 Рік тому

    it's a very useful video, but it's on the wrong software. I'm sorry, but the "UCCNC" sales support consists of cheap marketers. It is difficult to understand how such a legless and lying sales and support team was put in front of such successful hardware and software.

  • @MarkLindsayCNC
    @MarkLindsayCNC 5 років тому

    Excellent, Peter! Thank you!