My Mom grew up in Cleveland in the '50s and '60s and lived on the rundown side of town (she lived above a bar and a bowling alley before my Grandma moved into an actual house). Her uncle told her stories about this happening.
Wow, I feel sorry for those poor kids who found parts of bodies. I bet they had nightmares for a long time after that. The museum exhibit is really bizarre. I don't think I've heard this story before. You and Lamont are both very serious and respectful in these situations, which I appreciate. Good job.
Oh, I don't know. I don't think kids are as fragile as you think they are. Kids today have a lot of morbid curiosities despite overprotective adults trying to shield them from any kind of harm. It may have been disturbing for them at the time, but I'm sure the shock faded away after a while and they got on with growing up normally.
@@chrisb.1214 it definitely depends on the kid. Every person copes with hard situations in a different way. I mean, as a ten year old I discovered mutilated puppies and I still have trauma issues from it. My 15 year old has PTSD from watching her father have a severe seizure. It really just depends on several things, I think.
This is why I like quoting my friend, "It's best to stay home." You don't find dead bodies staying home do you!? Nobody ever called 911 watching Netflix and said, "I found a head!"
I guess on the flip side if you did find a body at least you know you found some family’s loved one and then they may get answers as to what happened🤷♂️but as a homebody myself I agree with you😆
I have read that there was a connection. I have also read that Sweeney was in Chicago, just in time for the Lipstick killings, and the unsolved murder of a 3 year old girl, who was done the same way as the Black Dahlia.
@@truthseeker2321 there is also the letter that was mailed to Cleveland’s Police Chief a few months after the murders stopped here. The writer claimed to be the killer, and stated that Cleveland could rest easy now, as he had moved to California and was continuing his “experiments” out there. This letter is now widely believed to have been a hoax, but the really interesting thing is that in this letter, the writer gave the location where he claimed to have buried the head of one of his California victims. The area was searched but nothing was found. However, nine years later, the spot where The Black Dahlia was found was only about three blocks from the location the letter writer falsely claimed to have buried that head. Likely just an odd coincidence, but who knows?
How awful for these people who were mutilated and for the ones who found them. The death masks in the museum certainly something you would not forget after seeing them. Thanks for sharing!
@elizabethrowe7262 What’s even more awful is that many of the victims’ remains were discovered by children. One as young as 12. I can only imagine the scars left on their psyches just from finding a dead body, but add to that the fact that these bodies were decapitated and sometimes dismembered and that would have just been horrific. Two boys, only 12 and 14 years old, discovered just the head of one of the victims. That’s the stuff nightmares are made of. Even the coroner was shaken by these murders, so there’s no telling what damage was done to the children who discovered them.
Informative and fascinating because the material is presented with great sensitivity with respect to the victims. And Elliott Ness is buried at Cleveland’s Lakeview cemetery.
I love when you guys videos together and equally love your channels separately! Those poor people in that area must’ve been terrified. Love your channel Chris!
Both of You work well together. The combination of intellect covers all the bases for us the viewer. Thank you for all your efforts in obtaining this information. You are Appreciated very much gentlemen! 🙂
@@xr6lad Good for you, there is an option you can select that will not recommend his awesome content. I surely don't care if you feel that way and know Lamont feels the same.
i love a good mobile instinct lemont colab, always good to see a video from either of these guys. i have read about this case glad you are covering it.
I realize I am not that old yet, but to say this was only like 40 years before I was born when talking about the 1930’s trips me out… 1930’s feels so old and long ago.
Yet another great video. Thank you mobile instinct for your hard work at putting these together. I have been following you since about the end of 2015.
I was born in Cleveland and lived in Ohio most my life. Never heard this case before, so thanks ! also Lamont at large big fan, cool colab. Keep up the good work !
Born and raised in Cleveland as well and didn't hear of this case until a few years ago. The cases that stick with me are the murder of Beverly Jarosz, the disappearance of Beverly Potts and the murder of Marilyn Sheppard, and subsequent trial of her husband, Dr. Sam Sheppard.
@@darlenegriffith6186the Beverly Jarosz murder is one of the most perplexing cases I’ve ever heard of. I wasn’t born yet when it happened so I have no first hand recollection of it, but what I’ve learned about it over the years is absolutely chilling!
Thanks for sharing guys . Good job . Good reporting, it takes time to research this stuff. I wish today's reporter's did this research. We would get true news. Thanks guys.
So glad to see another fascinating video ! You guys def do a great job tog and I love how y’all never cut each other off,it’s very entertaining to observe Great dynamic
@@SixbyFire I remember seeing something on TV years ago, maybe Unsolved Mysteries, where someone said Shepherd's uncle or another relative was suspected of being the Torso killer, but the information given was vague.
@@truthseeker2321 Oh wow. I thought you were joking. Most of my research is to pinpoint exactly where the victims were found. There are lots of locations given, but often nothing super specific, granted many of the locations are built over or no longer exist as they did back then.
@SixbyFire- Sam Sheppard's father was on the short list of suspects. I know one former Cleveland homicide detective who thought he was the Butcher Of Kingsbury Run for sure. He wasn't a detective at the time of the murders, however. Most of the police detectives working the case didn't spend a whole lot of time pursuing Sheppard. They zeroed in on the hobo population, convinced the killer was someone living that lifestyle, and moving in and out of town on the trains.
I live 5 minutes from calvary, you guys are in my back yard. You should check out Lakeview cemetery while you're here, there's a lot of interesting people buried there. Be sage fellas.
This was one of the cases that always intrigued me. I read a book titled "In the Wake of the Butcher: Clevland's Torso Murders", some years ago which was really good.
I've lived in Cleveland my whole life and never heard this story. Thank you. The fact that the Cops did all that horrible stuff to the shanty town and the arrested man is so sad
@@crazychase98 that's because the murderer had no where to murder! Lol what I mean that was where he killed. And if I was that guy and the cops pinned it on someone else.....I got away free...I'm not going to keep going.
Glad you were in the area-That Doctor at a funeral parlor on Broadway, not far from the kill sites-its believed he was draining the blood at his office. He did send letters to Ness taunting him.
@@CHMartinsonand that funeral parlor was about a two or three minute drive from Kingsbury Run. Certainly would have made it convenient for disposal of the bodies as well.
Hi Chris love the hard work you put into your videos. Also love them when Lamont tags along. It’s a very interesting video I think that doctor was involved in some way. RIP to all the victims 🙏🙏 👊👍🇬🇧🇺🇸
@@samanthab1923 I don't know about that. I guess it's the way it's presented. Nobody seems to gripe about "Jack The Ripper" dramas, and that's an unsolved mystery.
Hard to believe one huy could of done all of that, seems he had to had help to put the blood somewhere where nobody can find it.I wished someone was caught those poor families. Ty Chris
Great video, guys! I’ve lived in Cleveland my whole life and have studied this case for years. It was awesome to actually see first hand the locations where some of the bodies were found. One quick note about Rose Wallace…the reason victim 8 was never conclusively identified as her is mainly because when her skeletal remains were found in June, 1937, the coroner estimated she had been dead for about a year, placing her murder as sometime in May/June of 1936. However, Rose Wallace had not disappeared until late August of that year. A newspaper ad found in the sack with the skeletal remains was also dated June, 1936, which lined up with when the coroner believed she had been killed, so there is certainly enough evidence to support the coroner’s estimation of her time of death. However, the fact remains that Rose Wallace knew both Edward Andrassy and Flo Polillo, the only two victims with positive ID’s, and all three of them belonged to a larger group of people who were regular patrons of a particularly sketchy bar on Central Avenue, and Rose was last seen leaving that bar with a man, allegedly for a party. Nobody saw her after that. Whether victim 8 was Rose Wallace or not, the connections she had to Andrassy and Polillo as well as other acquaintances common to all three definitely can’t be ignored. Plus, the dental work matched hers, so if she wasn’t Rose Wallace, it certainly makes Rose’s disappearance a remarkable and baffling coincidence.
My Mom grew up in Cleveland in the '50s and '60s and lived on the rundown side of town (she lived above a bar and a bowling alley before my Grandma moved into an actual house). Her uncle told her stories about this happening.
did he have a creepy nostalgic smile on his face as he was recounting the details?
Marcel...😂😂😂
@@Marcel_Audubon yooo 😂😂😂
This duo on UA-cam gotta be one of my favourites
I must say, you and Lamont make a great team. We really enjoy watching both of your channels. Great video!
Wow, I feel sorry for those poor kids who found parts of bodies. I bet they had nightmares for a long time after that. The museum exhibit is really bizarre. I don't think I've heard this story before. You and Lamont are both very serious and respectful in these situations, which I appreciate. Good job.
I know even as an adult I would but for a child I couldn't even imagine..
@@Regina0964 Agreed.
Oh, I don't know. I don't think kids are as fragile as you think they are. Kids today have a lot of morbid curiosities despite overprotective adults trying to shield them from any kind of harm. It may have been disturbing for them at the time, but I'm sure the shock faded away after a while and they got on with growing up normally.
@@chrisb.1214 You are probably right. I was thinking of how it would have affected me. LOL
@@chrisb.1214 it definitely depends on the kid. Every person copes with hard situations in a different way. I mean, as a ten year old I discovered mutilated puppies and I still have trauma issues from it. My 15 year old has PTSD from watching her father have a severe seizure. It really just depends on several things, I think.
This is why I like quoting my friend, "It's best to stay home." You don't find dead bodies staying home do you!? Nobody ever called 911 watching Netflix and said, "I found a head!"
I guess on the flip side if you did find a body at least you know you found some family’s loved one and then they may get answers as to what happened🤷♂️but as a homebody myself I agree with you😆
That’s kind of a lame quote. “Stay home” because you might find a human head. Why live in fear?
@@CANControlGRAFFITI Oh ffs! lol
That's a George Carlin quote.
@@ChrisN85420 give it time….. Weirder stuff has happened today. 🤷♂️
Interesting fact about Dr Sweeney, He’s also suspected of killing the “Black Dahlia “. He was in LA at the time and he was staying in the same hotel.
I have read that there was a connection.
I have also read that Sweeney was in Chicago, just in time for the Lipstick killings, and the unsolved murder of a 3 year old girl, who was done the same way as the Black Dahlia.
@@truthseeker2321 there is also the letter that was mailed to Cleveland’s Police Chief a few months after the murders stopped here. The writer claimed to be the killer, and stated that Cleveland could rest easy now, as he had moved to California and was continuing his “experiments” out there. This letter is now widely believed to have been a hoax, but the really interesting thing is that in this letter, the writer gave the location where he claimed to have buried the head of one of his California victims. The area was searched but nothing was found. However, nine years later, the spot where The Black Dahlia was found was only about three blocks from the location the letter writer falsely claimed to have buried that head. Likely just an odd coincidence, but who knows?
Love you two together! You both truly compliment each other for a truly interesting and informative case study! Thanks Gentlemen for your hard work!
complement vs compliment --- look it up.
You're welcome.
@@Marcel_Audubon opps! Thank you!
Love how there’s no time wasting intros, just straight into it
My late husband use to drive a dump truck right under the bridge you and Lamont were standing on.
Wow what a story, gave me chills especially seeing those death masks. You and Lamont work really great together
You,hands down are my favorite UA-camr and then you add Lamont At Large (love Lamont) and it's a priceless video! Thanx guys
How awful for these people who were mutilated and for the ones who found them. The death masks in the museum certainly something you would not forget after seeing them. Thanks for sharing!
@elizabethrowe7262 What’s even more awful is that many of the victims’ remains were discovered by children. One as young as 12. I can only imagine the scars left on their psyches just from finding a dead body, but add to that the fact that these bodies were decapitated and sometimes dismembered and that would have just been horrific. Two boys, only 12 and 14 years old, discovered just the head of one of the victims. That’s the stuff nightmares are made of. Even the coroner was shaken by these murders, so there’s no telling what damage was done to the children who discovered them.
Can't imagine how eerie that place is at night.
Very creepy place at night a bet
Glad to see you guys together.
Hey Lamont! You two need to do more like this!
I’ve heard of this some years ago. Sort of surprised more people haven’t talked about it. Keep up the great work Chris and Lamont!
Not talked about much locally anyways. Very likely there are blood relatives of the killer still in Cleveland.
This channel offers us one of the best quality content we could ever ask for. May God bless you always.
Why god's blessing vs just wishing someone the best of luck?
Same thing?
@@wes89 it is a personal wish from one individual to another, to much political correctness in the world 🥵
May God bless you also , Early Merry Christmas and a Prosperous 2023 😉
I really enjoy the colab with Lamont at Large !! He’s a very good story teller too!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Mobile using his Instinct with Lamont at Large aka Gotta Luv Both of Them 🥰
He pretty much cuts off anything Lamont is saying but yeah the guys got some knowledge!
@@CANControlGRAFFITI why does he cut him off ??
Informative and fascinating because the material is presented with great sensitivity with respect to the victims. And Elliott Ness is buried at Cleveland’s Lakeview cemetery.
Terrific post. Love you two guys but together you're incredible. Thanks so much for posting. Love from Ireland 🇮🇪 ❤.
Always good stuff mate. Early morning here in Australia, waking up to one of your videos is always a good start.
I love when you guys videos together and equally love your channels separately! Those poor people in that area must’ve been terrified. Love your channel Chris!
Stay safe out there, and rock on, Lamont and Mobil Instinct! 💜✌
Both of You work well together. The combination of intellect covers all the bases for us the viewer. Thank you for all your efforts in obtaining this information. You are Appreciated very much gentlemen! 🙂
Thank you for all you do, Love the collaboration with Lamont. You two make great videos filled with value.
Creepy weird Lamont? I dislike his involvement and turn every video off.
@@xr6lad Good for you, there is an option you can select that will not recommend his awesome content. I surely don't care if you feel that way and know Lamont feels the same.
All the videos here are great but the ones where you and Lamont collab are by far the best. You guys work seamlessly together
i love a good mobile instinct lemont colab, always good to see a video from either of these guys. i have read about this case glad you are covering it.
Good work sharing this gruesome history from Cleveland.
Nice to see another great Lamont-Chris Collab !! Always look forward to these !!!
Wow 2 of my favorite channels together. Always great content coming from either of these creators. Thanks guys. A super treat for me. Ft
As always another interesting story. Thanks for all your hard work.
Good job on this video Chris and Lamont!!!
Great job guys!! Very interesting and sad story. To bad nobody was apprehended in the case. Keep up the great content. Love both your channels!!
I realize I am not that old yet, but to say this was only like 40 years before I was born when talking about the 1930’s trips me out… 1930’s feels so old and long ago.
I always love your stuff but it's always nice to see you and Lamont at Large working together!
Wonderful Information on Cleveland and its history of the row houses! Thank you and Lamont for the collaboration!
Hi Guys, nice to see you together again. Be safe out there. Merry Christmas 🎄.
This was an amazing find you and Lamont are very good at finding these true crime areas. You never know what's in your backyard.
I enjoy when you and Lamont link up. Always both do exceptional research on topics you interject on each other with further details.
@@outlander_... lol, what?
You guys do great team work!
Thanks Lamont for the Cameo in this Video :) :)
You and Lamont make a good investigation team.
Yet another great video. Thank you mobile instinct for your hard work at putting these together. I have been following you since about the end of 2015.
I was born in Cleveland and lived in Ohio most my life. Never heard this case before, so thanks ! also Lamont at large big fan, cool colab. Keep up the good work !
Born and raised in Cleveland as well and didn't hear of this case until a few years ago. The cases that stick with me are the murder of Beverly Jarosz, the disappearance of Beverly Potts and the murder of Marilyn Sheppard, and subsequent trial of her husband, Dr. Sam Sheppard.
@@darlenegriffith6186the Beverly Jarosz murder is one of the most perplexing cases I’ve ever heard of. I wasn’t born yet when it happened so I have no first hand recollection of it, but what I’ve learned about it over the years is absolutely chilling!
Thanks for sharing guys . Good job . Good reporting, it takes time to research this stuff. I wish today's reporter's did this research. We would get true news. Thanks guys.
Awesome documentary, you and Lamont make a perfect combination.🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
So glad to see another fascinating video ! You guys def do a great job tog and I love how y’all never cut each other off,it’s very entertaining to observe
Great dynamic
That was a sad time in Ohio history. Very put together Chris. Happy holidays to you and your family.
high quality presentation. great with co host discussion, both educational and entertaining.
Thank you, Chris and Lamont, for another good video. Very interesting stuff. Those death masks were freaky.
Good job! I’m a native Clevelander and I’ve done a lot of casual research on this case. Well done both of ya!
Did your casual research lead to Sam Shepherd?
@@truthseeker2321 Of course.
@@SixbyFire I remember seeing something on TV years ago, maybe Unsolved Mysteries, where someone said Shepherd's uncle or another relative was suspected of being the Torso killer, but the information given was vague.
@@truthseeker2321 Oh wow. I thought you were joking. Most of my research is to pinpoint exactly where the victims were found. There are lots of locations given, but often nothing super specific, granted many of the locations are built over or no longer exist as they did back then.
@SixbyFire- Sam Sheppard's father was on the short list of suspects. I know one former Cleveland homicide detective who thought he was the Butcher Of Kingsbury Run for sure. He wasn't a detective at the time of the murders, however. Most of the police detectives working the case didn't spend a whole lot of time pursuing Sheppard. They zeroed in on the hobo population, convinced the killer was someone living that lifestyle, and moving in and out of town on the trains.
I do like when you work together, another great story!
I’m in Cleveland and have always been obsessed with these cases. I would have loved to meet you both!
Love when you two hook up! 2 0f my favorites
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I live 5 minutes from calvary, you guys are in my back yard. You should check out Lakeview cemetery while you're here, there's a lot of interesting people buried there. Be sage fellas.
Great documentary...always good to see Lamont to
Great story you two. How sad it was never solved 😢 RIP to all that died then.
This was one of the cases that always intrigued me. I read a book titled "In the Wake of the Butcher: Clevland's Torso Murders", some years ago which was really good.
I want to read that too
Thank you gentlemen 😊 you make a GREAT duo
I've lived in Cleveland my whole life and never heard this story. Thank you. The fact that the Cops did all that horrible stuff to the shanty town and the arrested man is so sad
Can you imagine if the cops burned down a homeless camp now!?!?!?
@@marusiaphillips4791 a riot. And they definitely pinned it on that dude to quiet the public.
I'm sure crime went down so did the murderer
@@crazychase98 that's because the murderer had no where to murder! Lol what I mean that was where he killed. And if I was that guy and the cops pinned it on someone else.....I got away free...I'm not going to keep going.
@@brandyylee216 usually those guys can’t stop tho. It’s an addiction
Great Job Guys!!! love the collaboration!!!
Wow Chris! Never heard of these gruesome murders 😮 Certainly must have sent chills through the town!
Thanks for the eerie story! Loved it💙🙏🏻
Glad you were in the area-That Doctor at a funeral parlor on Broadway, not far from the kill sites-its believed he was draining the blood at his office. He did send letters to Ness taunting him.
Next time in Ohio look up the Giants of Seville, Ohio Capt Bates tallest couple married tragic lives
@@CHMartinsonand that funeral parlor was about a two or three minute drive from Kingsbury Run. Certainly would have made it convenient for disposal of the bodies as well.
You and Lamont did a great job on this . Thanks to both of you, for your work.
Fascinating indeed . Thank you for sharing this piece of history. Great video.
Thanks Fella's Excellent show
I love your content!!!! Lamont and you did a great story together.
The best 2 UA-camrs are back 😁
Great video guys.
Well done on your research and video. You’ve gathered even more interesting info than my husband and I did. Keep up your great work!
Another very interesting video, keep up the good work, thank you 👍
Thank you! I'm following now and have been following Lamont's channel for some time. Again thank you for your research and presentation.
Wow!! That's crazy I've never seen anything like this before the death masks... ty for doing this story!
Another great video , never heard of this story before
About time this story got some proper attention.
Nice work
Great video!!
Hi Chris love the hard work you put into your videos. Also love them when Lamont tags along. It’s a very interesting video I think that doctor was involved in some way. RIP to all the victims 🙏🙏 👊👍🇬🇧🇺🇸
You're the best Chris! Another very interesting upload
❤ From Australia
Love this channel one of my fave very interesting video thanks for putting in the time and travel
Lamount my other UA-cam. Great seeing yall together.
Those shantytowns were called 'Hoovervilles.'
Nice job, very interesting to watch... as always.
Great collaboration!
It's awesome when you and Lamont get together, best duo on you tube hands down. I watch Lamont everyday. Good video once again guys.
This is a really interesting case thanks for posting
This would make an interesting 'Zodiac', 'Silence of the Lambs' type movie, especially if Eliot Ness was involved.
Interesting. The problem is people like their mysteries solved. Fincher said that was everyone’s gripe with Zodiac
@@samanthab1923 I don't know about that. I guess it's the way it's presented. Nobody seems to gripe about "Jack The Ripper" dramas, and that's an unsolved mystery.
@@williamanthony9090 That’s true. I just know what he said about it. I love that movie.
Hard to believe one huy could of done all of that, seems he had to had help to put the blood somewhere where nobody can find it.I wished someone was caught those poor families. Ty Chris
Chrissy and Lamont, Merry Christmas
I love your colab videos.
My grandfather was 10 years old around this time about 10 miles away in Lakewood. I wish he was here to ask him about it.
Great video thanks for posting the history of Cleveland it is all very interesting
Thanks for covering this. My wife is from Garfield Heights
I'd like to see a tour of Albert Fish's sites in New York.
Westchester house, Riker Ave Dumps, Sing Sing etc.
That was fun I like the debate. You and that guy would be great together in a podcast. Voices are on point
Great videos! Have you ever thought of coming to Detroit and doing video of flight 255. Really bad crash. One sole survivor and it was a young girl.
Great video, guys! I’ve lived in Cleveland my whole life and have studied this case for years. It was awesome to actually see first hand the locations where some of the bodies were found. One quick note about Rose Wallace…the reason victim 8 was never conclusively identified as her is mainly because when her skeletal remains were found in June, 1937, the coroner estimated she had been dead for about a year, placing her murder as sometime in May/June of 1936. However, Rose Wallace had not disappeared until late August of that year. A newspaper ad found in the sack with the skeletal remains was also dated June, 1936, which lined up with when the coroner believed she had been killed, so there is certainly enough evidence to support the coroner’s estimation of her time of death. However, the fact remains that Rose Wallace knew both Edward Andrassy and Flo Polillo, the only two victims with positive ID’s, and all three of them belonged to a larger group of people who were regular patrons of a particularly sketchy bar on Central Avenue, and Rose was last seen leaving that bar with a man, allegedly for a party. Nobody saw her after that. Whether victim 8 was Rose Wallace or not, the connections she had to Andrassy and Polillo as well as other acquaintances common to all three definitely can’t be ignored. Plus, the dental work matched hers, so if she wasn’t Rose Wallace, it certainly makes Rose’s disappearance a remarkable and baffling coincidence.
Those death masks were crazy. Excellent video!
Very well presented.
Another very interesting video! Thanks.
8:48 - wow , a Must Visit, !👍