The original music and all verses!!! How wonderful!! Yes! A Mighty Fortress is our God! Thank you for sharing this historic version with us! God's blessings!
maybe those groups who GREW up singing the original rhythm ARE the ones better at singing this; better than us who grew up from don moen to israel houghton.
Many say that Bach was ahead of his time when he composed. (there were times when the music had syncopation) I agree with that. However, Luther must have had some of this because the rhythm of this (written before Bach) truly has syncopation. I prefer this one.
There was another verse written for, "A Mighty Fortress is Our God," by Grundtvig, a Danish Lutheran Pastor in 1817. This verse did not catch on to be the 5th verse, rather became a separate song, some still sing to the tune of "A Mighty Fortress is Our God," and some sing it to another tune, the song is entitled, "God's Word is Our Great Heritage." God's Word is our great heritage And shall be ours forever; To spread its light from age to age Shall be our chief endeavor. Through life it guides our way, In death it is our stay. Lord, grant while worlds endure, We keep its teachings pure Throughout all generations. * I got these words from Wikipedia, yet in the old ALC, and the ELCA, have the words, and song to the tune of "A Mighty Fortress," a bit different at the end. I think the ELCA should consider this Hymn, for they have departed from the Word of God! Ichabod Crane! God's Word is our great heritage And shall be ours forever; To spread it's light from age to age Shall be our chief endeavor. Through life it guides our way, In death it is our stay. Lord, grant while time shall pass, ***Your church may hold it fast, Throughout all generations.***
Most North American protests grew up singing a subpar translation by a Unitarian named Hedge. It appears that Hedge's translation was published in an early Methodist hymnal and grew in popularity from there. It's even the version that appears in the Episcopal hymnal in 1982. It's confusing why his translation is the preferred one among American protestants, but it's clear why Lutherans never adopted it. Not only was Hedge a heretic, but his translation isn't very good!
This tune is different. One thing does drive me crazy, though; Not Singing All the Verses! The hymn doesn't make sense when even one verse is left out. If it's sung too slowly I feel like shouting out, "Hit It!"
@@susichie I didn't say they left the verses out here. I said it drives me crazy when all the verses aren't sung. It is basically a story in song. The 4th verse answers the question in verse 3.
That is Pastor George Borghardt. He probably knows the girl. He is also the President of Higher Things, which is a Confessional Lutheran youth ministry.
I am ignorant to the Lutheran church. This is a genuine inquiry. Can someone explain to me the difference between this Lutheran gathering and a Catholic mass? I am genuinely interested in being informed. I initially thought this was a Catholic mass, and found it ironic that the Catholics would sing a song written by the man who started the protestant reformation. As an outsider, I can not tell a difference from appearance. Do Lutherns practice transubstantiation? Do Lutherns perform a mass similar to the Roman Catholic church? Why very similar garments? T.I.A. to anyone who can answer those questions for me.
To watch Confessional Lutheran videos look up the UA-cam channels of Bryan Wolfmueller and Jonathan Fisk. They both have a lot of videos and they are solid Scripture alone theologians! Entertaining as well!
@@RageaholicRecon Nicely stated. I've worshipped with Roman Catholics in religious orders including a Lutheran monastery in Michigan. We believe the same [ie. Real Presence]
Actually the liturgy we use today dates to the time of the persecutions. And far from turning the churches into social clubs, this repetition of God's own words back to Him have kept us focused on the real reason we gather on Sunday morning: not to express what we feel or offer anything to God as if He needed it, but to receive what He offers us in His Word (including the liturgy) and Sacraments.
Robert E. Waters I know the lutheran history but before and after the reformation there were other churches that suffer persecution,and they received the word of God anyway. And if we want to be faithfull to the liturgy of the church of the first century, then everething was more simple than now,and I'm not talking about only of lutheran congregations,but also the rest of the reformed churches. But of you are happy in a lutheran congregation I respect you an congratulations, but that's not for me thank you.
Read what I wrote again, Flema. I'm not talking about Lutheran history. I'm talking about the Church of the First Century which- contrary to what you seem to believe- used the elements of the historic liturgy even in the time of the Apostles and essentially the same liturgy we use today while they were still being fed to the lions. A humanly chosen and unhistorical preference for "simplicity" over the very Word of God is neither historic nor biblical. Nor, by the way, are we one of the "Reformed" churches. In fact it's the American neglect of the Word in favor of our own reactions and emotions and opinions which are the true scourge of the modern Church. It's a scourge that is most severe in the churches which have abandoned the historic liturgy in favor of a human preference for sparseness and false "simplicity" unknown even in the time of the Apostles. You are certainly entitled to your own tastes. But please don't misstate either history or the issues! In this, as in much else, it is the Anabaptists and their successors who have departed from the earliest church with teachings and practices unknown until the Sixteenth Century. We need what God offers us in His Word, sung as well as heard. All else is dross-including our personal tastes.
This is Luther's original melody, the one "everyone else" sings is Bach's version which is also sung amongst Lutherans. If you check the German hymnal they have both, sometimes sing both simultaneously mixing the verses.
Judi Taylor This is the correct tune and rhythm. If it were the truly correct version, you wouldn't be able to hear the melody, which was placed in the tenor voice for SATB singing in the early Lutheran Church.
TheJakeman789 I was looking for the original. This is it, then, huh? Interesting... Not quite what I was expecting. I wonder if there was any counterpoint and harmonization in the very first version(s) as well.
As a German Lutheran we prefer the 41 Hymnal Also. So Judi I agree with you and I know why they changed it. What they don’t tell you as they tried to improve on the old 41 hymnal but they made it worse and now the good Lutheran chorales from that old hymnal are just ruined and that’s sad but that is the society that we live within today. They try to change the music tunes around and everything when they should be preaching better morality and how to live by Christ’s Commandments and what he taught and speak out against this wicked government and culture today. The LCMS is failing badly in that regard. Sad.
The original music and all verses!!! How wonderful!! Yes! A Mighty Fortress is our God! Thank you for sharing this historic version with us! God's blessings!
No group can sing this hymn as well as us Lutherans. I am currently undergoing chemo and this my battlecry.
I RESENT THAT I LEARNED A MIGHTY FORTRESS IN THE CRADLE
IN SPITE OF BEING EPISCOPALIAN I STILL CAN BELT IT OUT
maybe those groups who GREW up singing the original rhythm ARE the ones better at singing this; better than us who grew up from don moen to israel houghton.
Paul Hines Presbyterians
can recite this hymn like the Apostles' Creed!
Paul Hines How is your fight going?
Ich hoffe dass Sie jetzt heilen sind. J'espere que vous etes maintenant gueri. I hope you are now healed.
These are the words I learned as a child!
Glory be to God in the Highest !
Yep, Lutherans can sing, Thank You Jesus
I am moved by the way that the Lutheran community is engaged with the music. Like they say, when we sing well it's like praying twice 🙏🙏
Many say that Bach was ahead of his time when he composed. (there were times when the music had syncopation) I agree with that. However, Luther must have had some of this because the rhythm of this (written before Bach) truly has syncopation. I prefer this one.
yeah I also really like the rhythmic version of the hymn! Just as Luther intended
There was another verse written for, "A Mighty Fortress is Our God," by Grundtvig, a Danish Lutheran Pastor in 1817. This verse did not catch on to be the 5th verse, rather became a separate song, some still sing to the tune of "A Mighty Fortress is Our God," and some sing it to another tune, the song is entitled, "God's Word is Our Great Heritage."
God's Word is our great heritage
And shall be ours forever;
To spread its light from age to age
Shall be our chief endeavor.
Through life it guides our way,
In death it is our stay.
Lord, grant while worlds endure,
We keep its teachings pure
Throughout all generations.
* I got these words from Wikipedia, yet in the old ALC, and the ELCA, have the words, and song to the tune of "A Mighty Fortress," a bit different at the end. I think the ELCA should consider this Hymn, for they have departed from the Word of God! Ichabod Crane!
God's Word is our great heritage
And shall be ours forever;
To spread it's light from age to age
Shall be our chief endeavor.
Through life it guides our way,
In death it is our stay.
Lord, grant while time shall pass,
***Your church may hold it fast,
Throughout all generations.***
People keep commenting on how this version isn't the "right" version, but this is the version I grew up with... 🤷♂️
Most North American protests grew up singing a subpar translation by a Unitarian named Hedge. It appears that Hedge's translation was published in an early Methodist hymnal and grew in popularity from there. It's even the version that appears in the Episcopal hymnal in 1982. It's confusing why his translation is the preferred one among American protestants, but it's clear why Lutherans never adopted it. Not only was Hedge a heretic, but his translation isn't very good!
@@lukemwills Some of the confusion is probably regarding the original rhythmic vs. newer isometric versions.
i came here looking for good hymns and canticles
We've got TONS of those!
This tune is different. One thing does drive me crazy, though; Not Singing All the Verses! The hymn doesn't make sense when even one verse is left out. If it's sung too slowly I feel like shouting out, "Hit It!"
Janet Young what do you mean by not singing all the verses
I heard all of them so I am unclear here.
@@thelutheranorganist4846 Sometimes the song leader says to only sing verses 1-3. Verse 4 answers verse 3.
@@susichie I guess there is more than one translation from the German.
@@susichie I didn't say they left the verses out here. I said it drives me crazy when all the verses aren't sung. It is basically a story in song. The 4th verse answers the question in verse 3.
YES- THIS PRINCE MAY SCOUL FEIRCE AS HE WILL! LOOK AT THE VIDEO!!! 1:34- 1:36!!
♥️🙏🏻
please.... does no one else see this! between the minutes of 1:34 -1:36.......WATCH!
What’s the big deal?
That is Pastor George Borghardt. He probably knows the girl. He is also the President of Higher Things, which is a Confessional Lutheran youth ministry.
This is the weirdest version of this hymn I’ve ever heard, and this is one of my favorite hymns.
It's the way it was originally written by Luther. Most people know the later metrical version by Bach.
I guess there are 2 translations to Luther's hymn. I'm used to the translation by F. H. Hedge.
@@wcwirla Exactly the information I was looking for! I heard this one and it sounded so off to my ears. That would explain it!
Literally a Novus Ordo Mass
More or less, Lutherans and Catholics are the two christian denominations with the most in common.
Lutherans are in many senses Roman in their practice of Catholicism
Actually German Luther Mass from early 16th century is older than Tridentine Mass
@@clonen1234 There is a lot in common with Roman Catholics but Lutherans are in full communion with Anglicans
@@charleshappold4637 The Lutherans in this video are not in communion with Anglicans.
I am ignorant to the Lutheran church. This is a genuine inquiry. Can someone explain to me the difference between this Lutheran gathering and a Catholic mass? I am genuinely interested in being informed. I initially thought this was a Catholic mass, and found it ironic that the Catholics would sing a song written by the man who started the protestant reformation. As an outsider, I can not tell a difference from appearance. Do Lutherns practice transubstantiation? Do Lutherns perform a mass similar to the Roman Catholic church? Why very similar garments? T.I.A. to anyone who can answer those questions for me.
To watch Confessional Lutheran videos look up the UA-cam channels of Bryan Wolfmueller and Jonathan Fisk. They both have a lot of videos and they are solid Scripture alone theologians! Entertaining as well!
@@RageaholicRecon Nicely stated. I've worshipped with Roman Catholics in religious orders including a Lutheran monastery in Michigan. We believe the same [ie. Real Presence]
why is it at 1:37 mark the choir boy "slaps" the girl when he passes by? Just saying.,,,,,,
That's a pastor from Higher Things. He probably knew her personally or something.
yes, probably; and I also may have jumped to conclusions.... :( thanks for your reply - much appreciated! :)
@@suedralle8571 He very well could be her own parish pastor.
So many liturgies,but the first disciples gather together at homes and shared everething!The church have become a social club.That's very sad!.
Actually the liturgy we use today dates to the time of the persecutions. And far from turning the churches into social clubs, this repetition of God's own words back to Him have kept us focused on the real reason we gather on Sunday morning: not to express what we feel or offer anything to God as if He needed it, but to receive what He offers us in His Word (including the liturgy) and Sacraments.
Robert E. Waters I know the lutheran history but before and after the reformation there were other churches that suffer persecution,and they received the word of God anyway.
And if we want to be faithfull to the liturgy of the church of the first century, then everething was more simple than now,and I'm not talking about only of lutheran congregations,but also the rest of the reformed churches.
But of you are happy in a lutheran congregation I respect you an congratulations, but that's not for me thank you.
Read what I wrote again, Flema. I'm not talking about Lutheran history. I'm talking about the Church of the First Century which- contrary to what you seem to believe- used the elements of the historic liturgy even in the time of the Apostles and essentially the same liturgy we use today while they were still being fed to the lions. A humanly chosen and unhistorical preference for "simplicity" over the very Word of God is neither historic nor biblical. Nor, by the way, are we one of the "Reformed" churches.
In fact it's the American neglect of the Word in favor of our own reactions and emotions and opinions which are the true scourge of the modern Church. It's a scourge that is most severe in the churches which have abandoned the historic liturgy in favor of a human preference for sparseness and false "simplicity" unknown even in the time of the Apostles.
You are certainly entitled to your own tastes. But please don't misstate either history or the issues! In this, as in much else, it is the Anabaptists and their successors who have departed from the earliest church with teachings and practices unknown until the Sixteenth Century.
We need what God offers us in His Word, sung as well as heard. All else is dross-including our personal tastes.
@@RobertEWaters Yes, the words of the confession: "poor, miserable sinner, confess" is the Lutheran understanding of God's mercy
I find it weird how Lutherans never sing the real version of this hymn
The real version?
The text the Lutherans sing is not the same as the text everyone else does.
This is Luther's original melody, the one "everyone else" sings is Bach's version which is also sung amongst Lutherans. If you check the German hymnal they have both, sometimes sing both simultaneously mixing the verses.
@@clonen1234 Thanks for the clarity. One must yield to Lutherans on the authentication of this hymn.
We do with the old 41. I prefer that tune.
This is NOT the correct version! You have butchered this magnificent hymn!
Judi Taylor This is the correct tune and rhythm. If it were the truly correct version, you wouldn't be able to hear the melody, which was placed in the tenor voice for SATB singing in the early Lutheran Church.
It's Luther's version. It's sung here as he wrote it.
TheJakeman789
I was looking for the original. This is it, then, huh? Interesting... Not quite what I was expecting. I wonder if there was any counterpoint and harmonization in the very first version(s) as well.
Hi there. You may be looking for the accompaniment written by Bach. Here’s one: ua-cam.com/video/hGdfJoIi5h8/v-deo.html
As a German Lutheran we prefer the 41 Hymnal Also. So Judi I agree with you and I know why they changed it. What they don’t tell you as they tried to improve on the old 41 hymnal but they made it worse and now the good Lutheran chorales from that old hymnal are just ruined and that’s sad but that is the society that we live within today. They try to change the music tunes around and everything when they should be preaching better morality and how to live by Christ’s Commandments and what he taught and speak out against this wicked government and culture today. The LCMS is failing badly in that regard. Sad.