This equatorial feature is a real game changer for smart telescopes. I don't think other manufacturers can keep on selling their options without that option.
Very Exciting, waiting for mine to arrive. Excellent video as usual . Dwarf Lab are really scoring big time with this. those images are amazing for that little guy. Keep up the good work!
Your welcome. My older unit was one of the first batch so i am glad that the problems with the first units were fixed and Dwarf 3 got to be so good now especialy with the new updates
That is a really cool update. Thanks for highlighting that. Looking at the close up @3:58 it seems that there are a lot of hot pixels in the image. Are you sure the dark frame were applied? If you changed to gain after taking the darks, they might not have been used as the settings were different.
Thank you! The single images they are not calibrated with the dark frames, the dark frames will calibrate only the live stack, not the single exposures, The darks were made before the plan and worked well on the image stack you can check the stack image at minut 05:02
Very good video; is it possible to polar align using this scope for those of us who live in the southern hemisphere (Chile)? Any special considerations to consider? This for your help😊
This looks like a killer feature for sure. A question around these astrophotography smart telescopes I am always curious about is the limiting magnitude. I have seen the Unistellar EvScope 2 listed at a limit up 17th magnitude on their website. I have heard people say the Seestar S50 goes to like 15th magnitude. Both the Unistellar and Seestar are limited in exposure time because they are not EQ mode scopes. So, assuming we can now go to 2-minute exposures here, what magnitude does that get us to? It would be interesting to see what kind of objects are visible now with this feature. I love the idea of it taking less time as well. A lot of the images I see with these smaller smart scopes involve over 10 hours of capture but that is usually with exposure times of 10-15 seconds.
Thanks for the feedback. With the option of longer exposures we could get better results on fainter nebulas like shark nebula, witchead nebula, seahorse nebula and others, but those faint targets still require long integration time even with expensive telescopes to get a good signal in the final stack, but even so is an inprovment and will help get better results
You need to learn postprocessing to get the best results. This can be done with also free software, and you can start with free and then move to also paid software like pixinsight rc astro tools_BlurXtermiantor, Noise xtermiantor and StarXtermiantor, Pixinsight costs 300 euros, Blur xtermiantor i think 100 euros, the the other t2o plugings you cang et them cheaper after you buyt the first one
Hi. I showed i think on my Andromeda video with Dwarf 3. You can use programs like starnet plus, or rc astro star Xterminator to make a starless image and also a star mask, and after you can process the starless image and then place stars back in photoshop using the screen blending mode
awesome vid i hope to get mine soon well before 2026 at least haha , would you be so kind to do a tutorial on how you do the 3d star effect in DaVinchi Resolve please that would be awesome 🙏 subbed
Very nice new feature! I participate on the DwarfLab beta program for iOS (TestFlight) but they didn’t make this longer exposure time feature available for iPhones yet. Unfortunately.
That is what I first thought. But PA has always been “special” here even for advanced astrophotographers since we do not have a “visible” polar star. Thks for te prompt answer.
Your welcome. Polar alignment is needed only for eqmode, on alt azimuth is not required but in alt azimuth mode you need usualy to image up to 30 sec not to have trails
I don not know, but if i have to guess probaly no, since they are only alt azimuth scopes, even if they can be used on your own risk on equatorial mode is not recomended by zwo
I saw the 120 sec on Tuesday night when I used the Dwarf 3 for the very first time, I was like ...WHAT! 120 sec is this real, this is really a very big game changer for a smart telescope. also I was able to get a 1° deviation in EQ mode I spent quite a long trying to get it at ° but most time on one axle, either the pan or tilt but not both at the same time Nevertheless, I was very happy with the 1° deviation, also what is the name of the software you used for the animation, thank again for a very informative video.
I think you need to join and to be accepted, you can check on their website ornon the dwarf telescopes groups more info, also google pkay has i think option to join beta
Nice images. But would love to see photos of the dimmer deep sky objects that you refer to. Most videos of the Dwarf 3, Seestar S50 and S30 show the same deep sky objects, which are fairly bright. Hesitant to purchase any of these units because it seems that all the reviews and tutorials are from "influencers". Sorry...enjoyed the video but would love to see some of the fainter objects you are referencing.
Fainter objects requires more imaging time that you can do with clouds that is why most of the tests are with brighter objects, you can see the faint clouds visible in the background, you can also download the data from my channel membership and my processed inahe and zoom in close. Dimmer objects will image when clear sky will allow for longer plans, curently been closy almost every night
You dont need to stick to one setting, you should take 30sec shots no matter what so you can process the core later, it is best to shoot orion on 30sec shots and 60sec shots is enough, 120sec shots disadvantage is you will lose more time if wind hits or airplane then you lose that 2min frame
Imaging Orion Nebula can be done also with short exposures, but this was a new feature test os 120s, Capturing Orion Nebula also with longer exposures will make posible fainter dust to be more visible in the background
@ it wont matter, stacking multiple short images would still expose those faint nebula without the risk of wasting time when vibration occurs which cause oval stars. athe other advantage is you get less noise when you stack more images than less with long exposures.
With the same integration time longer exposures will give better signal to noise ratio and ocupy less space on the hard drive. But if you like to image only with short exposures nobody stops you
@@GalaxyArtMedia In theory the longer exposure yields higher SNR but that is just theory. You need to consider: 1. The Law of Diminishing Returns: With shorter exposures, the improvement in SNR from stacking more frames can outpace the SNR of individual longer exposures, especially when you’re dealing with environmental noise (like air turbulence, wind, etc.). The more frames you stack, the more you reduce random noise through the averaging process, which can indeed result in a cleaner image with less noise 2. Noise Reduction with Stacking: Stacking many shorter exposures works very well for reducing random noise (thermal noise, read noise, etc.). Even though each individual exposure might have a lower SNR than a single long exposure, the stacking process helps average out those random noise fluctuations. So, if you stack enough frames, the noise gets reduced, and the faint nebula details become clearer as a result. 3. Shorter exposures reduce the risk of tracking issues or star bloating, and this means that while you’re reducing some of the SNR benefits from a longer exposure, you’re also avoiding some distortions and imperfections that could muddy up the image. 4. Saturation vs. Signal: Longer exposures often lead to saturation in bright stars or nebulae, which reduces the amount of useful signal you can get in those areas. In contrast, shorter exposures might avoid overexposure and keep the image dynamic, leading to better overall contrast and preserving details in both bright and faint nebula. Since your subject is Orion, a 30sec sub outweighs the longer exposure because you cannot recover from overexposure on the nebula core and bright stars, you will get booated stars.
Thanks for the video. One personal comment. I really want to see the images and screens you illustrate but your personal image is much too large on the screen and gets in the way- quite distracting? Just a thought!
This equatorial feature is a real game changer for smart telescopes. I don't think other manufacturers can keep on selling their options without that option.
Thanks for feedback! Indeed is an important feature to have
Very Exciting, waiting for mine to arrive. Excellent video as usual . Dwarf Lab are really scoring big time with this. those images are amazing for that little guy. Keep up the good work!
Thank you so much and clear sky! Hope you will recive it soon
Thanks for covering this and I'm glad you received a defect-free Dwarf 3.
Your welcome. My older unit was one of the first batch so i am glad that the problems with the first units were fixed and Dwarf 3 got to be so good now especialy with the new updates
Thanks!
Thank you very much for SuperThanks! Glad you loved the video
Feels like I've been waiting forever on my Dwarf...!
Hope you will get it soon!
I am so glad that I chose Dwarf3 over Seestar S50
Thanks for feedback
Same! Every time I got to shoot there's a new update to play with.
Wow. Fantastic photo for short integration. Thank you.
You are welcome Maria! Glad you enjoyed the video!
Your post processing skills are amazing
Thank you very much! I appreciate that!
Great work as always, Ioan!
Thank you! Cheers!
That is a really cool update. Thanks for highlighting that. Looking at the close up @3:58 it seems that there are a lot of hot pixels in the image. Are you sure the dark frame were applied? If you changed to gain after taking the darks, they might not have been used as the settings were different.
Thank you! The single images they are not calibrated with the dark frames, the dark frames will calibrate only the live stack, not the single exposures, The darks were made before the plan and worked well on the image stack you can check the stack image at minut 05:02
@@GalaxyArtMedia oh you are right. Thanks for the clarification.
Very good video; is it possible to polar align using this scope for those of us who live in the southern hemisphere (Chile)? Any special considerations to consider? This for your help😊
Thank you! I think so, because platesolving works no matter of the region when the telescope is pointing
This looks like a killer feature for sure. A question around these astrophotography smart telescopes I am always curious about is the limiting magnitude. I have seen the Unistellar EvScope 2 listed at a limit up 17th magnitude on their website. I have heard people say the Seestar S50 goes to like 15th magnitude. Both the Unistellar and Seestar are limited in exposure time because they are not EQ mode scopes. So, assuming we can now go to 2-minute exposures here, what magnitude does that get us to? It would be interesting to see what kind of objects are visible now with this feature. I love the idea of it taking less time as well. A lot of the images I see with these smaller smart scopes involve over 10 hours of capture but that is usually with exposure times of 10-15 seconds.
Thanks for the feedback. With the option of longer exposures we could get better results on fainter nebulas like shark nebula, witchead nebula, seahorse nebula and others, but those faint targets still require long integration time even with expensive telescopes to get a good signal in the final stack, but even so is an inprovment and will help get better results
Nice review to inform future owners!
Glad it was helpful!
That animation is very cool!! Can I ask how this was done please?
Thank you, I used Davinci Resolve for the animation, and also for editing the video
Hi there how much would it cost to get pictures like your for everything and what type of telescope do you use just amazing I've dreamed if doing this
You need to learn postprocessing to get the best results. This can be done with also free software, and you can start with free and then move to also paid software like pixinsight rc astro tools_BlurXtermiantor, Noise xtermiantor and StarXtermiantor, Pixinsight costs 300 euros, Blur xtermiantor i think 100 euros, the the other t2o plugings you cang et them cheaper after you buyt the first one
How do you cut the stars out so they are not saturated? Please explain. Great work. It is amazing and your work is phenomenal. TY
Hi. I showed i think on my Andromeda video with Dwarf 3. You can use programs like starnet plus, or rc astro star Xterminator to make a starless image and also a star mask, and after you can process the starless image and then place stars back in photoshop using the screen blending mode
Dwarflab claims 12-14 weeks out on pre-sale order processing. Ordered Dwarf 3 in late September and still haven't gotten it.
Unfortunatly the waiting time can be a pain, hope they will find a sollution soon to ship faster. You can tey message them and ask about the shipment
I just got mine yesterday, ordered same time, should be any day now❤
@@dangerdave3954 Wisah you clear sky to enjoy your new Dwarf 3
awesome vid i hope to get mine soon well before 2026 at least haha , would you be so kind to do a tutorial on how you do the 3d star effect in DaVinchi Resolve please that would be awesome 🙏 subbed
Thank you very much, curently i am behind with the content, but will keep the ideea in mind for a future video if time will allow
Very nice new feature! I participate on the DwarfLab beta program for iOS (TestFlight) but they didn’t make this longer exposure time feature available for iPhones yet. Unfortunately.
Thank you very much, hopely will make it available soon for ios and also in a public update
@GalaxyArtMedia is the mosaic mode also available in the same new beta version for Android?
That looks really good for 16min, can't wait to try it out tonight!!😅
Thank you. Glad tou enjoyed watching
We need some tools to get even better Polar Alignment in EQ Mode
Dwarflab is curently working on making the eqmode better with more options for better alignment
That is what I first thought. But PA has always been “special” here even for advanced astrophotographers since we do not have a “visible” polar star. Thks for te prompt answer.
Your welcome. Polar alignment is needed only for eqmode, on alt azimuth is not required but in alt azimuth mode you need usualy to image up to 30 sec not to have trails
Click “be more precise “ to get the eq perfect
Thanks for watching
the eq mode and more seconds of exposure are in developing on Seestar s50/30?
Thanks
I don not know, but if i have to guess probaly no, since they are only alt azimuth scopes, even if they can be used on your own risk on equatorial mode is not recomended by zwo
@@GalaxyArtMedia thanks :)
@@Paolo14984 welcome
I saw the 120 sec on Tuesday night when I used the Dwarf 3 for the very first time, I was like ...WHAT! 120 sec is this real, this is really a very big game changer for a smart telescope. also I was able to get a 1° deviation in EQ mode I spent quite a long trying to get it at ° but most time on one axle, either the pan or tilt but not both at the same time Nevertheless, I was very happy with the 1° deviation, also what is the name of the software you used for the animation, thank again for a very informative video.
Thanks. Glad you was able to get that good alignment! I heard the ewmode feature will be improved further to get an accurate alignment faster
How does one join the beta tests or are they just for a select few?
I think you need to join and to be accepted, you can check on their website ornon the dwarf telescopes groups more info, also google pkay has i think option to join beta
Nice images. But would love to see photos of the dimmer deep sky objects that you refer to. Most videos of the Dwarf 3, Seestar S50 and S30 show the same deep sky objects, which are fairly bright. Hesitant to purchase any of these units because it seems that all the reviews and tutorials are from "influencers". Sorry...enjoyed the video but would love to see some of the fainter objects you are referencing.
Fainter objects requires more imaging time that you can do with clouds that is why most of the tests are with brighter objects, you can see the faint clouds visible in the background, you can also download the data from my channel membership and my processed inahe and zoom in close. Dimmer objects will image when clear sky will allow for longer plans, curently been closy almost every night
What software do you use?
I used siril pixinsight and photoshop for processing the data
never done alignment still get good pictures
With short exposures up to 30 sec you can get good results without eq mode
wow!! this is so exciting.
Thank you very much
if they push to limit can autoguiding whit large view and exposing whit primary sensor on eq mode
Sorry i do not understand the question. You ask if it does autoguiding? If so it does autoguiding also, but don t have yet the details
@GalaxyArtMedia I explained myself badly, I meant that it would be nice if he could autoguiding with the wide field camera and shoot with the main one
@@fabriziopiermaria9122 That is true, live autoguiding with the widefield would be nice if is posible
The file whit this update can be saved on linear raw?
Only if you stack the inages on the pc, curently the live stack is saved in 16 bit fits
You dont need to stick to one setting, you should take 30sec shots no matter what so you can process the core later, it is best to shoot orion on 30sec shots and 60sec shots is enough, 120sec shots disadvantage is you will lose more time if wind hits or airplane then you lose that 2min frame
Imaging Orion Nebula can be done also with short exposures, but this was a new feature test os 120s, Capturing Orion Nebula also with longer exposures will make posible fainter dust to be more visible in the background
@ it wont matter, stacking multiple short images would still expose those faint nebula without the risk of wasting time when vibration occurs which cause oval stars. athe other advantage is you get less noise when you stack more images than less with long exposures.
With the same integration time longer exposures will give better signal to noise ratio and ocupy less space on the hard drive. But if you like to image only with short exposures nobody stops you
@@GalaxyArtMedia
In theory the longer exposure yields higher SNR but that is just theory. You need to consider:
1. The Law of Diminishing Returns: With shorter exposures, the improvement in SNR from stacking more frames can outpace the SNR of individual longer exposures, especially when you’re dealing with environmental noise (like air turbulence, wind, etc.). The more frames you stack, the more you reduce random noise through the averaging process, which can indeed result in a cleaner image with less noise
2. Noise Reduction with Stacking: Stacking many shorter exposures works very well for reducing random noise (thermal noise, read noise, etc.). Even though each individual exposure might have a lower SNR than a single long exposure, the stacking process helps average out those random noise fluctuations. So, if you stack enough frames, the noise gets reduced, and the faint nebula details become clearer as a result.
3. Shorter exposures reduce the risk of tracking issues or star bloating, and this means that while you’re reducing some of the SNR benefits from a longer exposure, you’re also avoiding some distortions and imperfections that could muddy up the image.
4. Saturation vs. Signal: Longer exposures often lead to saturation in bright stars or nebulae, which reduces the amount of useful signal you can get in those areas. In contrast, shorter exposures might avoid overexposure and keep the image dynamic, leading to better overall contrast and preserving details in both bright and faint nebula.
Since your subject is Orion, a 30sec sub outweighs the longer exposure because you cannot recover from overexposure on the nebula core and bright stars, you will get booated stars.
Hope the waiting game is over soon...😢
Hope so also
Thanks for the video. One personal comment. I really want to see the images and screens you illustrate but your personal image is much too large on the screen and gets in the way- quite distracting? Just a thought!
tHANKS FOR FEEDBACK
what will be now with astro systems for $5000... the end of their epoch
Will still ne better if they have a cooler camera
What's up with the dark vertical banding? It did not seem to come out with processing.
Probaly clouds combined with christmas lights from the neighbours
Maybe they should worry about distribution>>>???
I think they are, hopelly will speed up shipment soon
What !
thanks for watching
These upgrades are useless unless we can actually buy one.
You can buy at preorder, but need to wait more at this moment, hope soon they will shorten more the waiting time