This is probably really difficult, but do you have a way of gathering the pressures and pressure rate from those hawk blitzes last year? I just don’t remember them generating much pressure at all last year
Curious if phillips can ever be more then 3 sacks in a season if he could be a 5-6 sack a year guy that'd be huge although maybe unlikely now that we have 3 quality edge rushers
Honestly im just hyped vikings have more then 1 reliable pass rusher . No more playing wonnom who was terrible unless he was playing the bears honestly think pat jones a similar guy to wonnum but the facts hes our edge #4 instead of a starter makes it so whatever he gives you is a bonus. Be curious to see what flo cooks up against good offenses sunday we will see if it was just the giants are bad or if flo made adjustments from his defense getting solved late last year
Pff is weird with dropping turner so low cuz of penalty yet Blake brandel ( our highest pff grade this week I think) had the only oline penalty that I saw and was getting worked by dexter lawrence. Also not as much vikings but is Zimmer running the double A gap defense with kendricks and parsons? If so and we make playoffs and catchup with Dallas hitman will know that defense like he's part of it
What’s stopping Brian Flores from doing fake Hawk rules? As in, set up a play that looks like they’re using Hawk rules, or this new Hawk rules Flores is using, but it’s not dependent on what the offense does at all? That seems easy enough to punish an offense that tries to predict the Hawk rules.
He very well could be- kind of impossible for us to tell the difference without being in the room. The disadvantage to that, though, is it's kind of inflexible. If you force-drop the guy who would have been unblocked, you kind of undermine the whole point
Isn't this the way that things has been for years though?, when our Vikings play below .500 teams they will do really well against some of them but just squeak by the rest and against above .500 teams we hope and pray. I want to see them be at least competitive or maybe win some of the top teams on a consistent basis, then I will become a true believer instead of remaining a true wisher.
Only really saw one bad play from turner that was the penalty maybe the run defense wasnt the best but hes playing to get to the qb as a rookie at least early on . Patrick jones also had a low grade for a guy with multiple sacks
A lot of drops too. He had several redzone drives that produced no points. The Giants might have a bit more success against the Commanders next week. I'd bet the Giants aren't quite the train wreck some folks are picking.
Key was playing daniel jones . Doubt they are close to as dominant vs any even average nfl qb but hating just see that game going differently against the non giants,panthers, commanders, broncos of the league
The key takeaway from Sunday is that the Vikings played a deeply flawed opponent. And even given the weakness of their adversary, they still punted 4 times, turned the ball over twice, and only scored 21 offensive points on 10 possessions. The remainder of the schedule has zero "cupcake" teams like the Giants. Given Sunday's performance, the Vikings will go 5-12 and that is if they beat their other flawed opponents: the Jaguars, Titans, Cardinals, and Falcons.
I think some of the punts came when koc went to a "safer" offense (one thing he needs to work on is playing aggressive with a lead) , cj ham fumble on first drive would have at least ended in a field goal based off how following drives went fumbles can ruin games as we saw last season though, the int I think is avoided if it was jefferson or addison vs the 2 dbs (#11 had chance at the ball and our other receivers win 50/50 balls at like a 75/25 rate) . I get where your coming from with the flawed team take but at least it was dominating a flawed team how they should be instead of letting them keep it close. I don't think we are winning a super bowl this year unless darnold turns into a 2017 keenum/ nick foles but taking the nfc north back and shutting up lions fans would be acceptable for the real first year of koc/kam/flores era here. Skol
@@TylerSmith-vz3ch The Vikings scored on three possessions and punted on four possessions - hardly a domination. The Saints dominated the Panthers - scoring on their first nine possessions and punting on their last two, after they were up by 37 points. The Cowboys punted six times against the Browns and still put up 26 points against a much better defense than the Giants. The Giants possessed the ball eleven times - if they had any offensive talent, they could have won.
Is it? And if so then that must be the same takeaway for the Cowboys and Falcons and Lions and Bears. I have watched all Darnold's games over the last 3 years and suggested that he would play exactly as he did, (my score prediction was 31-10). And I expected that most folks would settle for the conventional wisdom and blame the Giants for being a bad team. So tell me what will all the folks that regurgitate second hand cliche takes say next week when the Vikes beat the 49ers and Giants beat the Commanders???
@@TylerSmith-vz3ch Exactly, except the game was over in the 3rd quarter and KOC shut the offence down going into the 4th quarter. He just started running out the clock and bringing in the rotational starters.
I tried to tell so many of my friends this is an underrated defense.
And has room to get better as the new guys get used to the system and playing next to each other.
Just week 1. Niners will be a great test on Sunday. #1 key is to stay healthy.
But I love what they're building
I am looking forward to flores game plan vs 49ers
They smashed the Giants for their home opener. Overcoming odds needs to be part of their identity against the 49ers in our house. Let's Skol!
This is probably really difficult, but do you have a way of gathering the pressures and pressure rate from those hawk blitzes last year? I just don’t remember them generating much pressure at all last year
Really looking forward to how we come out against the 49ers. I really think the Vikings wanna come out and prove who they are
This comment aged well! Flores made purdy question himself every play! Skol
Curious if phillips can ever be more then 3 sacks in a season if he could be a 5-6 sack a year guy that'd be huge although maybe unlikely now that we have 3 quality edge rushers
Honestly im just hyped vikings have more then 1 reliable pass rusher . No more playing wonnom who was terrible unless he was playing the bears honestly think pat jones a similar guy to wonnum but the facts hes our edge #4 instead of a starter makes it so whatever he gives you is a bonus. Be curious to see what flo cooks up against good offenses sunday we will see if it was just the giants are bad or if flo made adjustments from his defense getting solved late last year
Pff is weird with dropping turner so low cuz of penalty yet Blake brandel ( our highest pff grade this week I think) had the only oline penalty that I saw and was getting worked by dexter lawrence. Also not as much vikings but is Zimmer running the double A gap defense with kendricks and parsons? If so and we make playoffs and catchup with Dallas hitman will know that defense like he's part of it
What’s stopping Brian Flores from doing fake Hawk rules? As in, set up a play that looks like they’re using Hawk rules, or this new Hawk rules Flores is using, but it’s not dependent on what the offense does at all? That seems easy enough to punish an offense that tries to predict the Hawk rules.
He very well could be- kind of impossible for us to tell the difference without being in the room. The disadvantage to that, though, is it's kind of inflexible. If you force-drop the guy who would have been unblocked, you kind of undermine the whole point
People put waayyy too much stock into PFF's grades. They are laughable most of the time.
I think i heard Blake brandel was out highest graded on pff . I don't put much stock into it😂
Isn't this the way that things has been for years though?, when our Vikings play below .500 teams they will do really well against some of them but just squeak by the rest and against above .500 teams we hope and pray. I want to see them be at least competitive or maybe win some of the top teams on a consistent basis, then I will become a true believer instead of remaining a true wisher.
It's been the opposite since 2020, basically every game being one score no matter how good the opponent is
It's a long time since they've dominated a team this much. And it's never easy on the road.
@@LockedOnVikings After today's win against SF, I'm on my way to being a true believer.
Only really saw one bad play from turner that was the penalty maybe the run defense wasnt the best but hes playing to get to the qb as a rookie at least early on . Patrick jones also had a low grade for a guy with multiple sacks
6:55 Andrew only played for dolphins and vikings
Jones had a lot of open targets.
A lot of drops too. He had several redzone drives that produced no points. The Giants might have a bit more success against the Commanders next week. I'd bet the Giants aren't quite the train wreck some folks are picking.
@@robe2504 I don't know, Jones looked lost. Considering the investment, he will probably be given time to turn it around.
@@hunniebe6 I'd suggest the Vikes D will make a few QBs look lost this season. Flores has added 7 or 8 new guys that actually fit his scheme.
Key was playing daniel jones . Doubt they are close to as dominant vs any even average nfl qb but hating just see that game going differently against the non giants,panthers, commanders, broncos of the league
The key takeaway from Sunday is that the Vikings played a deeply flawed opponent. And even given the weakness of their adversary, they still punted 4 times, turned the ball over twice, and only scored 21 offensive points on 10 possessions. The remainder of the schedule has zero "cupcake" teams like the Giants. Given Sunday's performance, the Vikings will go 5-12 and that is if they beat their other flawed opponents: the Jaguars, Titans, Cardinals, and Falcons.
I think some of the punts came when koc went to a "safer" offense (one thing he needs to work on is playing aggressive with a lead) , cj ham fumble on first drive would have at least ended in a field goal based off how following drives went fumbles can ruin games as we saw last season though, the int I think is avoided if it was jefferson or addison vs the 2 dbs (#11 had chance at the ball and our other receivers win 50/50 balls at like a 75/25 rate) . I get where your coming from with the flawed team take but at least it was dominating a flawed team how they should be instead of letting them keep it close. I don't think we are winning a super bowl this year unless darnold turns into a 2017 keenum/ nick foles but taking the nfc north back and shutting up lions fans would be acceptable for the real first year of koc/kam/flores era here. Skol
@@TylerSmith-vz3ch The Vikings scored on three possessions and punted on four possessions - hardly a domination. The Saints dominated the Panthers - scoring on their first nine possessions and punting on their last two, after they were up by 37 points. The Cowboys punted six times against the Browns and still put up 26 points against a much better defense than the Giants. The Giants possessed the ball eleven times - if they had any offensive talent, they could have won.
@@richarddean3154If the Vikings still had Kirk Cousins, the Giants would have won😂
Is it?
And if so then that must be the same takeaway for the Cowboys and Falcons and Lions and Bears.
I have watched all Darnold's games over the last 3 years and suggested that he would play exactly as he did, (my score prediction was 31-10). And I expected that most folks would settle for the conventional wisdom and blame the Giants for being a bad team.
So tell me what will all the folks that regurgitate second hand cliche takes say next week when the Vikes beat the 49ers and Giants beat the Commanders???
@@TylerSmith-vz3ch Exactly, except the game was over in the 3rd quarter and KOC shut the offence down going into the 4th quarter. He just started running out the clock and bringing in the rotational starters.