I'm just a random white who grew up in Mozambique in the nineties and learned shangaan with my friends at the time. I find tsonga very similar to shangaan even though there are differences. Thank you for remind me because vocabulary its all gonne.
U couldn't agree more . AND I WOULD SAY : Tsongas who were conquered by Soshangana plus Ngunis who immigrated wish soshangana to Mozambique. Its more over political identity more then ethnic identity . Ivagaza .
Xangana people are the are the thesonga people who were conquered by Soshangana + Nguni people who immigrated wish soshangana to Mozambique + people ather regions who were brought to kagaza as slaves By king Ngungunhana . Its more over political identity more then ethnic , identity . IvaGaza .
VuTsonga is a creation of the Swiss missionaries: its a mixture of the South East coast of Africa, consisting of Rongas, Tswa, VaChopi, VaNdua, VaRozwi VuChangani is a creation of the those Ndwandwe mercenaries vaka Nxumalo, Zwide, Mkhantswa , Langa: the ngunis subjected and conquered the people of the South East coast of Africa being Rongas, Tswa, VaChopi, Ndua, Rozwi. Funny thing is the language called Shangaan is nothing like the nguni languages like Zulu, Swati etc
Thank you for sharing the difference between Shangaan and Tsonga. I've often heard that it the word "Shangaan" is often used in a derogatory sense to describe people of the Tsonga clan. I know that some Tsonga people even get offended when you call them "Shangaan", do you feel this is because they feel mislabeled or is there just a negative connotation associated with being Shangaan?
There are variety of views for that but yes some find it offensive. The word itself is derived from Soshangane who was a general in the Zulu Kingdom during the the times of King Shaka. Others find it inappropriate to be used because they say it assumes the history of Tsonga people to only start in 1820s or so while there is more beyond that (similar to saying SA began in 1652 🤣), others find it offensive due to how other tribes used it against them, etc. So yes, there are many views and of course others do not have a problem with it
@@BestKhosahe was not general of Zulu ......that's why you don't know nothing .... Zulus are magebas,jama,sigujana, So soshangaan was commander of ndandwe kingdom in kwanongoma
Can I just correct the morning greeting part. Morning greeting is 'rixile' and not 'Avuxeni'. 'Avuxeni' means the east, which is where the Tsongas originate. So when we say 'Avuxeni', we are saluting our identity, or where we come from. 'Avuxeni' can be used anytime of the day. Nonetheless, beautiful content makwavu
Is it shangaan or Changani? Because I first heard the word "Shangaan "in guateng from other tribes accents.like zulu and other tribes most found in guateng. Xhosa, Sotho etc
Changane is the Moçambican Portuguese spelling of Shangaan. In southern Moçambique, the language is called xitchangane and is widely used. But there are other languages further north.
All shanganas are Tsonga but not all Tsongas are Shanganas , true . But as a language, how do you differentiate the language that you have teach us from Shangana ? We ,in Mozambique still have Xitswa ,xirhonga , xitxopi ,xichangna etc... but there is no a singular known language as Tsonga , so i would like to understand as languages, the differences .between those 2
My family is from Mozambique south (Maputo), they speak XiRhonga wich is very very very similar to Xitsonga, the Shangane people from Gaza province in Mozambique say XiRhonga is the same as Shangane, I do not agree there’s loads of differences between both languages although the origin is the same probably.
I’m from Gaza (Mozambique), it’s called changana or xichangana. Most people from Maputo speak changana instead of ronga (it’s rare to hear someone speaking ronga which is changana with a different pronunciation).
Tsonga and Shangaan is one tribe there is no difference.Tsonga means Junior and Changani is the name formed when the Nguni and the AmaThonga joined into one nation.
Tonga means ...to rule... Tonga or Tsonga are found in Zambia Congo Zimbabwe Mozambique South Africa. They are the first wave of so called 'Bantu' migrants from Sudan Egypt who inhabited Southern Africa thousands of years before anyone else except the so called 'Bushmen'. Shangaan are recent group from 1800s not more than 200 years old.
Although some of the Tsonga deny that they are Changana well it is their choice but the majority who speak this language they do not believe being Changana means they were conguared.That is wrong no one imposed himself on Changana.The Changana tribe was legally formed by both the Nguni and the Thonga or Tsonga.Remember the situation that time there was war.The Nguni led by Soshangana had their land taken away by Chaka and the Zulu warriors.Since the Soshangana had no other option he then incorparted the Tsonga into his war effort so that he would be able to defend himself against Chaka warriors.The formation of Changana was held at Chaimiti in the Limpopo Tsonga area.All Tsonga who joined Soshangana became Changana and this is their official tribal name in Mozambique and Zimbabwe.In Zambia some are called Tonga and others are called Ntsenga.In Malawi they are called the Ngoni tribe even inTanzania.In Matebeleland the western area of zimbabwe those who joined Mzilikazi are known as Ndebele.There is no difference between the Tsonga and the Zulu.The Tsonga were the ones who invented fire.that is why the majority are called Chauke.I do not know why a group of Tsonga along Limpopo deny that they are Changani while the majority accept it.
It is out of hatred towards the Zulu people, these groups of people who are calling themselves as the so called Tsongas especially from Giyani are the ones who are pushing that stupid ideology. The only hatred when you listen to them is that King Manukosi Gaza Nxumalo (Soshangana) has committed atrocities towards their forefathers during the time when they were invading, fighting capturing and wars. You can't say you don't want to be associated with the king who have conquered your forefathers or ancestors, they were beaten those people even if they could say they their chiefs like Njakanjaka and Manungu never fought and defeated their chieftaincy but they remain chiefs and not the Kings they don't have kingdom. They have agreed to surrender their powers under the kingdom of King Soshangane. The issue of Tonga or Tsongas trace back to Kwa-Nongoma in KZN and all over SADC that is why our totem names and surnames are similar and full of Nguni praises called izithakazelo or swithlokovetselo. They are lots of surnames that were changed along the way as they were running for fear of not to sound like Nguni in them. If you run away from the King it means you have been defeated unless you come back to fight that king and win that battle so that you can retain that kingdom of that nation you have conquered. Shaka Zulu was doing all distasteful atrocities on his people but he remains their king. Why when it comes to us the Vatsonga-Machangana we are ditching out Soshangane because he did the same things that Shaka has done to his people? Who is the Tsonga King and where is his Kingdom? There is no human being on earth who doesn't have a king and Kingdom. If you refuse to have king on earth, you will also refuse to God as your King and kingdoms has been created by God and they were taking kingdoms by force, atrocities and killing of people. Let these people just accept that we are one, in KZN we are Tonga or Amathonga, in SADC we are also called Tonga and in Mozambique Rhonga, Tonga Bitonga, Gintonga, Tsonga, Machangana and in South Africa we are Vatsonga-Machangana and we are one thing. Boarrying topic and refusal to accept history. 🤔🥱😔🤣
The above contribution which attempts to clear the difference between Tsonga and Changana is true and sensible.I do not agree with the word Tsonga myself because it means junior and you know very if you are being treated as inferior and you accept it means there is something wrong with you.This word or name was imposed on us by Whites .It was their way of devide and rule which I think many people are not aware of Ours is Thonga or Amathonga not Tsonga.The name Thonga shows our authority and by accepting the name Tsonga we are saying we have no authorite we are a defeated nation.Lets not curse ourselves guys wake up. You see another blander our our next door country called Mozambique I do not know why it is using this name the name of an Arab called Moosa al Bique.The Landim is better than this one.
You need to go back to school. I know Gazankulu in South Africa, know Gazakhomanani in Zimbabwe and lastly there is ka Gaza in Mozambique. Gaza is the grandfather of Soshangani. So that means the Tsongas have no origin because they stole our grandparent's name.
Swivula leswaku hi matoya. Hichava ku teka risk. Munhu loyi a chavaka vhele ivitaniwa toya. Loko vaku Amashangana amagwala, swa hi vavisa kambe kuri hina hi ti bumabumelaka hi swona hee!! 🤔🥱
Xangana people are tsonga people who were conquered by Soshangana + Nguni people who immigrated with soshangana to Mozambique + people from ather regions who were brought to kagaza as slaves By king Ngungunhana . Its more over political identity more then ethnic , identity . IvaGaza . So , not all Shangana people are Tsongas , Some os then are Ngunes ,the majority of them are Tsongas .
Once a person regard themselves as hi Magaza or Gaza or Gazankulu it means that you are Muchangana and your king is Soshangane. Youth stop confusing our nation, in fact we are more than all these other ethnic groups in Africa considering where we are coming from tracking from Israel Gaza Strip and the whole of SADC. Pfukani Machangana ha mbombomela naswona ku ticiva switele ngompfu ka rixaka ra ka hina. Leswi swi khomisa tingana, utswale n'wana utivula Muchangana na yena n'wana loyi kambe yena loko akula ibyela mutswari wakwe ku yena iMutsonga. Famba uyavutisa swikoxa le Giyani ku va vulavula ririmi rihi, enhlamulo leyi u ta nyikiwaka yona I ndzi Machangana. Vanhu lava va ti chief vo vanga vuhosinkulu hi mhaka ya ndlala ni kuvona kuri thlari arahari kona ari tirhi, loko akove nkari luwa wa tinyimpi avangata swiendla leswi. Loko vaku vukosi abyi peli nambu va vula leswaku loko ufika ka matiko mambe, ufanele ufika uluva Hosinkulu ya tiko lero, kambe loko u lava kuva Hosinkulu ufanele ulwa udlaya Hosinkulu leyi fumaka kutani uteka vukosi kumbe vuhosinkulu. 🤔🥱😌
You are just in denial without facts. Tsonga people are Shangaans, there's no kingdom without kings. You were just bullied by Zulus in Gauteng and think of separating yourself to your origin.
Nkensa butti from Sweden! nikombela ngeteriwa Xitsonga lessons:)
This translation is legendary 💀😭😭😭💯
I'm just a random white who grew up in Mozambique in the nineties and learned shangaan with my friends at the time. I find tsonga very similar to shangaan even though there are differences.
Thank you for remind me because vocabulary its all gonne.
I'm here for the xiTsonga lessons.
Na Khensa Best...
Couldn’t be more grateful for this video. Definitely subscriber number 201 🥳
Shangaan means you are part of those Tsonga that were conquered by Soshangane,they were originally Tsongas
This is the most reasonable take .
some of were part of the conqueroring army...but there was a lot of intermarriage and rapes
They were rhonga not Tsonga in Mozambique we don't know the Tsongas
U couldn't agree more .
AND I WOULD SAY : Tsongas who were conquered by Soshangana plus Ngunis who immigrated wish soshangana to Mozambique. Its more over political identity more then ethnic identity . Ivagaza .
Xangana people are the are the thesonga people who were conquered by Soshangana + Nguni people who immigrated wish soshangana to Mozambique + people ather regions who were brought to kagaza as slaves By king Ngungunhana . Its more over political identity more then ethnic , identity . IvaGaza .
I really enjoyed this video
I want to learn shangaan,can we get shangaan lessons ,they seem to be unavailable ,pple seem to be publishing tsonga material only
Ha Kensa na Hina, só Instructive and mostly Informative, tama uri kona.
VuTsonga is a creation of the Swiss missionaries: its a mixture of the South East coast of Africa, consisting of Rongas, Tswa, VaChopi, VaNdua, VaRozwi
VuChangani is a creation of the those Ndwandwe mercenaries vaka Nxumalo, Zwide, Mkhantswa , Langa: the ngunis subjected and conquered the people of the South East coast of Africa being Rongas, Tswa, VaChopi, Ndua, Rozwi.
Funny thing is the language called Shangaan is nothing like the nguni languages like Zulu, Swati etc
Why did you stop making videos?
Thank you for sharing the difference between Shangaan and Tsonga. I've often heard that it the word "Shangaan" is often used in a derogatory sense to describe people of the Tsonga clan. I know that some Tsonga people even get offended when you call them "Shangaan", do you feel this is because they feel mislabeled or is there just a negative connotation associated with being Shangaan?
There are variety of views for that but yes some find it offensive. The word itself is derived from Soshangane who was a general in the Zulu Kingdom during the the times of King Shaka. Others find it inappropriate to be used because they say it assumes the history of Tsonga people to only start in 1820s or so while there is more beyond that (similar to saying SA began in 1652 🤣), others find it offensive due to how other tribes used it against them, etc. So yes, there are many views and of course others do not have a problem with it
Is just because negative connotation attached with machangana Nation
There is no longer a difference now we are one Nation
@@BestKhosahe was not general of Zulu ......that's why you don't know nothing .... Zulus are magebas,jama,sigujana,
So soshangaan was commander of ndandwe kingdom in kwanongoma
When you speak of Tsonga you normally refer to written book for reading
I’m happy that you have highlighted one important issue: Tsongas are not Shangans.
Tsonga people were under Shosangane, they are therefore Shangaan
Hi. Am I right in saying in N'wina the 'apostrophe represents a soft g?
Yes that’s correct. I hope it’s what I am thinking too
Thank U my Sir. I'm following U
Is it true that Shangaan women of Bushbuckridge don't wear Xibelane?
So, is Va Ka Valoi (Mathevula) a King of Tsongas? I read they are direct descendence of Changamire since centuries ago i.e. 1490s...Plz advise.
There’s no king of Tsongas ( Maybe a king of the Mathevula clan but not Tsongas)
I'm Tonga from Zambia. It seems we have been around for some time.
Tonga are descendents of thonga the same group tsongas come from.
Tonga from Zimbabwe here
Is good to learn your language.
Can I just correct the morning greeting part. Morning greeting is 'rixile' and not 'Avuxeni'. 'Avuxeni' means the east, which is where the Tsongas originate. So when we say 'Avuxeni', we are saluting our identity, or where we come from. 'Avuxeni' can be used anytime of the day. Nonetheless, beautiful content makwavu
Very informative. I'm starting to learn the language slowly. I need someone to teach me
Avuxeni Johan
Is it shangaan or Changani? Because I first heard the word "Shangaan "in guateng from other tribes accents.like zulu and other tribes most found in guateng. Xhosa, Sotho etc
Changani are Tsonga shangaans are not
Changane is the Moçambican Portuguese spelling of Shangaan. In southern Moçambique, the language is called xitchangane and is widely used. But there are other languages further north.
Good one
All shanganas are Tsonga but not all Tsongas are Shanganas , true . But as a language, how do you differentiate the language that you have teach us from Shangana ?
We ,in Mozambique still have Xitswa ,xirhonga , xitxopi ,xichangna
etc... but there is no a singular known language as Tsonga , so i would like to understand as languages, the differences .between those 2
Those are clan in the Tsonga ethnic group
All those groups are clans of tsonga people and those are dialects of the Tsonga language.
Mina ni muchangani a nimu tsonga ni dyondze xitsonga. Shangani kova mazulu vanga tsandzeka ku hivitana kahle
Wow I love this
👌🏾 on point
Inkomu
Ndzi khense ngopfu.
My family is from Mozambique south (Maputo), they speak XiRhonga wich is very very very similar to Xitsonga, the Shangane people from Gaza province in Mozambique say XiRhonga is the same as Shangane, I do not agree there’s loads of differences between both languages although the origin is the same probably.
Rhonga people are Tsonga people shangaans are not Tsonga but majority of the people is Gaza are not shangaan but Tsonga.
I’m from Gaza (Mozambique), it’s called changana or xichangana. Most people from Maputo speak changana instead of ronga (it’s rare to hear someone speaking ronga which is changana with a different pronunciation).
Tsonga and Shangaan is one tribe there is no difference.Tsonga means Junior and Changani is the name formed when the Nguni and the AmaThonga joined into one nation.
Tonga means ...to rule... Tonga or Tsonga are found in Zambia Congo Zimbabwe Mozambique South Africa. They are the first wave of so called 'Bantu' migrants from Sudan Egypt who inhabited Southern Africa thousands of years before anyone else except the so called 'Bushmen'. Shangaan are recent group from 1800s not more than 200 years old.
Although some of the Tsonga deny that they are Changana well it is their choice but the majority who speak this language they do not believe being Changana means they were conguared.That is wrong no one imposed himself on Changana.The Changana tribe was legally formed by both the Nguni and the Thonga or Tsonga.Remember the situation that time there was war.The Nguni led by Soshangana had their land taken away by Chaka and the Zulu warriors.Since the Soshangana had no other option he then incorparted the Tsonga into his war effort so that he would be able to defend himself against Chaka warriors.The formation of Changana was held at Chaimiti in the Limpopo Tsonga area.All Tsonga who joined Soshangana became Changana and this is their official tribal name in Mozambique and Zimbabwe.In Zambia some are called Tonga and others are called Ntsenga.In Malawi they are called the Ngoni tribe even inTanzania.In Matebeleland the western area of zimbabwe those who joined Mzilikazi are known as Ndebele.There is no difference between the Tsonga and the Zulu.The Tsonga were the ones who invented fire.that is why the majority are called Chauke.I do not know why a group of Tsonga along Limpopo deny that they are Changani while the majority accept it.
It is out of hatred towards the Zulu people, these groups of people who are calling themselves as the so called Tsongas especially from Giyani are the ones who are pushing that stupid ideology. The only hatred when you listen to them is that King Manukosi Gaza Nxumalo (Soshangana) has committed atrocities towards their forefathers during the time when they were invading, fighting capturing and wars. You can't say you don't want to be associated with the king who have conquered your forefathers or ancestors, they were beaten those people even if they could say they their chiefs like Njakanjaka and Manungu never fought and defeated their chieftaincy but they remain chiefs and not the Kings they don't have kingdom. They have agreed to surrender their powers under the kingdom of King Soshangane. The issue of Tonga or Tsongas trace back to Kwa-Nongoma in KZN and all over SADC that is why our totem names and surnames are similar and full of Nguni praises called izithakazelo or swithlokovetselo. They are lots of surnames that were changed along the way as they were running for fear of not to sound like Nguni in them. If you run away from the King it means you have been defeated unless you come back to fight that king and win that battle so that you can retain that kingdom of that nation you have conquered.
Shaka Zulu was doing all distasteful atrocities on his people but he remains their king. Why when it comes to us the Vatsonga-Machangana we are ditching out Soshangane because he did the same things that Shaka has done to his people? Who is the Tsonga King and where is his Kingdom? There is no human being on earth who doesn't have a king and Kingdom. If you refuse to have king on earth, you will also refuse to God as your King and kingdoms has been created by God and they were taking kingdoms by force, atrocities and killing of people. Let these people just accept that we are one, in KZN we are Tonga or Amathonga, in SADC we are also called Tonga and in Mozambique Rhonga, Tonga Bitonga, Gintonga, Tsonga, Machangana and in South Africa we are Vatsonga-Machangana and we are one thing. Boarrying topic and refusal to accept history. 🤔🥱😔🤣
The above contribution which attempts to clear the difference between Tsonga and Changana is true and sensible.I do not agree with the word Tsonga myself because it means junior and you know very if you are being treated as inferior and you accept it means there is something wrong with you.This word or name was imposed on us by Whites .It was their way of devide and rule which I think many people are not aware of
Ours is Thonga or Amathonga not Tsonga.The name Thonga shows our authority and by accepting the name Tsonga we are saying we have no authorite we are a defeated nation.Lets not curse ourselves guys wake up. You see another blander our our next door country called Mozambique I do not know why it is using this name the name of an Arab called Moosa al Bique.The Landim is better than this one.
I only knew that there was tsonga and it was the only one
You need to go back to school. I know Gazankulu in South Africa, know Gazakhomanani in Zimbabwe and lastly there is ka Gaza in Mozambique. Gaza is the grandfather of Soshangani. So that means the Tsongas have no origin because they stole our grandparent's name.
I dont think many people these days say "ina/e-e" unless when writing in a Tsonga test😂usually moes we just say "eya/hawa"
Muchangaan mutsonga wochava kutsongola xa munhu😂😂
Swivula leswaku hi matoya. Hichava ku teka risk. Munhu loyi a chavaka vhele ivitaniwa toya. Loko vaku Amashangana amagwala, swa hi vavisa kambe kuri hina hi ti bumabumelaka hi swona hee!! 🤔🥱
I doubt that Kharanga who are vhanyai have ruins in Mozambique.
Tsonga and Xichangana are the same.
Mina ni muchangani a nimu shangani
They are related
Who was the Ruler Of GAZA Kingdom
manokuse (excuse the spelling)
In isiZulu uManukuza. In XiTsonga uManukosi,
Soshangane
Xangana people are tsonga people who were conquered by Soshangana + Nguni people who immigrated with soshangana to Mozambique + people from ather regions who were brought to kagaza as slaves By king Ngungunhana . Its more over political identity more then ethnic , identity . IvaGaza .
So , not all Shangana people are Tsongas , Some os then are Ngunes ,the majority of them are Tsongas .
No one was conqured
We are VaTsonga Machangane we are one let's leave these politics
The diversity is not division. It shows that we are the only democratic tribe in South Africa.
To be honest, Soshangane messed up our history.
To me Tsonga and Shanagaane arw same
They are not
@@matimbamasangu7916 They are same, Soshangana ruled them
Once a person regard themselves as hi Magaza or Gaza or Gazankulu it means that you are Muchangana and your king is Soshangane. Youth stop confusing our nation, in fact we are more than all these other ethnic groups in Africa considering where we are coming from tracking from Israel Gaza Strip and the whole of SADC. Pfukani Machangana ha mbombomela naswona ku ticiva switele ngompfu ka rixaka ra ka hina. Leswi swi khomisa tingana, utswale n'wana utivula Muchangana na yena n'wana loyi kambe yena loko akula ibyela mutswari wakwe ku yena iMutsonga. Famba uyavutisa swikoxa le Giyani ku va vulavula ririmi rihi, enhlamulo leyi u ta nyikiwaka yona I ndzi Machangana. Vanhu lava va ti chief vo vanga vuhosinkulu hi mhaka ya ndlala ni kuvona kuri thlari arahari kona ari tirhi, loko akove nkari luwa wa tinyimpi avangata swiendla leswi. Loko vaku vukosi abyi peli nambu va vula leswaku loko ufika ka matiko mambe, ufanele ufika uluva Hosinkulu ya tiko lero, kambe loko u lava kuva Hosinkulu ufanele ulwa udlaya Hosinkulu leyi fumaka kutani uteka vukosi kumbe vuhosinkulu.
🤔🥱😌
Mina ni maluleke a proud muchangana mutsonga dont be a tribalist
Don't lie bro Soshangaan Nxumalo was king nd Hosi Limpopo
Hosi ya va ka Mpisani
You are just in denial without facts. Tsonga people are Shangaans, there's no kingdom without kings. You were just bullied by Zulus in Gauteng and think of separating yourself to your origin.
Y u hlamusela hi English nah?
Kasii wo yendlela matsonga ntsena?
We don't all understand Xitsonga that's why we are here to learn.
All tsongas are Machangana not the otherway
Swinga endla Ativa yona
Hy bro you are crazy
Wanya Wena, even before Tsonga take over in South Africa there called shangannies even in the id
Minjhani kumbe ku njhani is nguni but hi xitsonga mi fanele miku Xewani loko milava ku vula ku u endla yini mi fanele miku u maha yini
maha yini???