Just rewatched this after viewing this video. Its everything you said, but I have to admit that Apollo's actor totally sold it, and it was surprisingly touching at the end. Also, Leslie Parrish was stunningly beautiful in that pink toga gown Apollo dressed her in.
I did not feel sorry for Apollo. He was a good representative of Greek mythology and how they characterized their gods with all the unlikeable traits of humans. Above all, selfishness, denial of free will and conditional love. Not something to admire.
@@davestang5454Yeah, but its a pitiful existence. They have no choice but to have atleast some of these negative traits because they need that to retain their corporeal forms. Imagine needing peoples love and worship to exist and function. Once apollo realised he would never be able to regain the golden age he sublimated into the aether like all of his bretheren. His misguided hope is what kept him together. Until it was simply too obvious to ignore, humanity had changed and olympus was no more.
I actually thought this was one of the better ones for finding God... in large part due to the actor's performance as Apollo. I thought he was quite good, especially at the end.
This episode introduced me to Star Trek as a kid back in the early '80s. I guess for that reason it remains one of my favorites. I like the smart-ass review, but this chapter was actually well-written and reflected on human nature and mankind's place in the universe quite effectively. Michael Forrest proved he was a competent thespian rather than just a bodybuilder trying to pull off the role of Apollo. In my opinion, his acting held this story together.
It is interesting to note that in the original script, Carolyn was supposed to be pregnant with Apollo’s child. McCoy comes on the bridge and tells this to Kirk, but they decided for many reasons to cut that part out…
So, Pollux is the actual name of a nearby star, so despite the unfortunate way it sounds Pollux 4 is indeed a reasonable name for a planet. For all we know it actually exists. Edit: okay there is at least one planet in the pollux system. Weirdly scientists call it "Pollux b", but hey that's astronomers for you ;)
Michael was in a couple other shows I like as well. He played a driver who is involved in a accident with Sgt. Carter on Gomer Pyle. And as a alien in Black Leather Jackets on The Twilight Zone.😁
In Roddenberry's defense, rehashing the same story concept over and over and looking at it through different lenses is very common. Hitchcock did the "mistaken identity fugitive" movie three times before creating the masterpiece North by Northwest, and Heinlein did the "man goes on doomed adventure because boobies" at least a dozen times. I don't think that's a bad thing so long as you are continuing to explore the topic. Personally I've put the "examination of the role of leadership" in everything I've written to one extent or another because leadership is a topic that churns in my brain quite a bit. The important thing is that you're adding something new to the discussion, and that's where my defense ends. All Roddenberry had to say was, "God bad" and he kept saying it over and over. I would say the same thing about Heinlein's annoying recycling of his favorite juvenile story premise.
@@Somefurfag I wish I could remember the name of the book, even more the author, but I read a story based on just that, humans would either be rendered so helpless due to robots performing every task "To prevent a human from getting harmed through inaction", humans making robots do stupid things through "Obey all orders", or cause robots to commit suicide through spoken malicious logic using all three laws. The author contended the three laws were a start, but were flawed, and proposed three amended laws based on Asimov's, but with an addition of a fourth law to prevent robot abuse and idleness.
That actually makes some sense. If your enemy has a weapon and you don't, you have a better chance of overcoming him if you believe he has a limited source of ammunition and you can fool him into wasting it, which would result in leveling the playing field. It's a calculated gamble out of Sun Tzu's "The Art of War".
@@Redshirt434 yep! Fan made material is always better, because at the very least they always try really hard to keep the fictional universe canon and recognisable.
So has SFDebris 👍😁 TOS has its charms but at times it did get repetitive and ridiculous. Good old 1960s ideas that couldn't be done today. The space amoeba one being one of the more successful examples, and Apollo is 50/50 for me...
@@MasterFhyl I don't know, I wasn't there, maybe you were and and have firsthand knowledge to the contrary. But the fact that all the lawsuits he filed were dismissed, and that people should believe women when they come forward about harassment, all add up to more evidence towards being a jerk than against it
@@acerumble nah. people should believe evidence, not blind accusations without proof, conjured up through hatred or jealousy. that's no different than witch hunts or snitching to kgb in soviet russia.
Did you ever find info about the original ending, where Polamus actually gets impregnated by Apollo and at the end, McCoy asks 'what will this baby become?'
What is the name of the black woman in the blue uniform who is an extra at 1:15 in the video? Wondering if she appeared in more TV and/or movie appearances. She's beautiful.
I recall a lot of TV over-acting back in the day, but the producers of Star Trek somehow seemed to get their actors to take it up to eleven on a pretty consistent basis, Bill Shatner exemplifying that characteristic. Perhaps they were over-compensating for the quality of the scripts? Great/funny analysis! P.S. - They should have given him a costume with pants or a long robe, because it's pretty obvious Apollo was skipping leg day at the gym - "Behold the Olympian toothpicks upon which I totter about!" 🤣
I love it when people claim that an actor is "over-acting" because that makes no sense. These old TV shows were essentially STAGE PLAYS where the actors were using a lot of "projection" acting technique, which was normal, just as an actor would do on stage. I will take this acting over at least 95% of the "acting" I see in comic book movies in the modern era. It's worse.
"Pollux is the brightest star in the constellation of Gemini. It has the Bayer designation β Geminorum, which is Latinised to Beta Geminorum and abbreviated Beta Gem or β Gem. This is an orange-hued, evolved red giant located at a distance of 34 light-years, making it the closest red giant (and giant star) to the Sun. Since 1943, the spectrum of this star has served as one of the stable anchor points by which other stars are classified. In 2006 an exoplanet (designated Pollux b or β Geminorum b, later named Thestias) was announced to be orbiting it."
The network actually did make them put in the line about one god. The line was supposed to be "Mankind has no need for gods." And that's it. How incredibly poignant it would have been to have done it the way it was written.
I really didn't like it at all Gddm network suits. Maybe they're good at doing.... whatever it is they usually do, but I think it's crazy they're allowed any creative input at all. I would politely tell them to go get boofed.
At the time when this episode was being made, the concept that the Ancient Greek and Roman gods as well as others were actually Alien beings from another planet, was just coming to the forefront of discussion. Chariot of the gods came out a little later.
@@coleparker Because I believe in science and history and human achievement. The idea that things were handed to us by the gods, whether it's wheat or pyramids or Greek philosophy is contrary to that.
I have a suspicion that when Adonais took lieutenant Carolyn Palamas into the undergrowth he gave her a dam good rodjering. Obviously, what she was after. But then contention.
Your review is excellent, but I'd give a higher rating because of the acting! BTW, i recently watched the sequel to this episode on Star Trek continues. Was fantastic and possibly even better than the original!
-One may wonder if you high level of education would bring you above saying words like Booger. Thank you for the clarification on that. -I have to agree with other viewers. Dispite the level and quality of the writing for the episode, Michael Forest did excellent. I'm not saying I like the character, I'm saying I like what Forest did with it. It could have been much worse under anoother actor's care. Through Forest, I truly believed that Apollo believed everything he said. I was surprised when Kirk had voiced his theory on Apollo being a real god, but only because he didn't make that claim with the others before and after. But, the claim itself didn't surprise me because Apollo seemed guileless with his claim, not hiding an ulterior motive. He truly believed he was giving the people what they wanted, by the example of how they reacted 5,000 years ago. After years of seeing fake gods, in many forms, through out all of the spin-offs and movies, it was definitely different having an authentic one, for once.
I don't care, I really like this episode; So many other TOS premises have "God like" or "near a God", this one cuts out the pretense and subterfuge by ending with on "no, this really WAS Apollo". It really makes you think... "4/10"... or not.
Not well. What’s most amazing is how all these all powerful races, Gothosians, Organians, the Metrons from Arena, the Q, etc didn’t ever meet, fight, etc.
The worst "(insert god here) is really an advanced alien" episode is still the Animated Series episode How Sharper than a Serpent's Tooth". One would think that it would have turned the franchise off of such things, but Star Trek V exists, so...
Who mourns for "Who Mourns for Adonis?"? Nobody. In the context of that Ellison quote, Star Trek V might be seen as "the most Roddenberry-ish" of the movies. That's not praise.
I sometimes wonder if in the Trek universe do they have any follow up missions to planets with weird discoveries? For example this planet would be of huge interest to historians. The place were the greek gods came from?Ie Ancient aliens was true all along?Just about every historian specialised on Antiquity would sell his arm for the chance of seeing such a place. Heck historians would be offended that they had to eliminate one of the few 'living' links to the world of Antiquity.
TOS had 7 or 8 excellent episodes - the remainder ranging from turd-on-a-stick to ho-hum. Adonis is ho-hum (the first yawn occurring about 1/3 of the way through) - mind you, the force field shaped like a hand was pretty damn cool.
I think I could do a top ten but I’d have to look through a list of titles. Off the top of my head, my top 4 are 1) Amok Time, 2) Mirror, Mirror, 3) Journey to Babel, 4) City on the Edge of Forever. What are your 7 or 8? But I’m gonna one example: Man Trap, the first episode (shown). It’s neither a turd, nor ho-hum. It’s quite exciting, just not a top tenner.
@@RLucas3000 Where no man has gone before, Charlie X, Mudd's Women, the Trouble with Tribbles, The Corbomite Maneuver, The menagerie, Balance of Terror, The Galileo 7, Court Martial, Space Seed, The Devil In the Dark, Errand of Mercy, The Doomsday Machine, A Piece of the Action, The Ultimate Computer... there are a few more, but definitely a lot more than a ridiculous 7 or 8 that the OP claimed.
Gotta love those TOS dresses. I simply HAVE to imagine the pure outrage of conservative parents throughout the Midwest at how risqué the show could be for its time. After all, leading young boys and idle husbands into the visual temptations of the female form must have been intolerable for some. Just not the boys and idle husbands.
So you put up these videos to mock star trek in particular or all science fiction in general. One should note the series was written in the sixties. Though why should the idea of any parent choosing to stay home and raise thier own children instead of having the state raise them. That hand that rocks the cradle rules the world. I acknowledge that Kirk's stunt w/ fathers car would probably provide evidence that he lacked certain discipline and or good judgement. Back when Starfleet only had 12 interstellar warp capable ships they did not hand out captain's rank /duty haphazardly. Well mayhe for the exception of Garth, Tracy, Decker... 😅
All science fiction stories are ultimately Earth things in space because we have no frame of reference but our own existence to weave stories about. The best we can do is use our experience of existence as a foundation and try to twist it in some manner to seem more alien because we've no comprehension what any truly alien thing might be like. Indeed, anything truly, fully alien would be, at least initially, beyond our ability to comprehend. H.P. Lovecraft had a lot to say on that matter.
Idk about finding God every episode ... ( they find many things obvs that are far from it)... but it is sadly formulaic . Steven king will say anythung the can pretend to depth and darkness or to new thought. Yawn ... yeha that was not needed steven... old as the hills
Honestly the "we find the one quite adequate" is the reason why this episode sticks out to me more than the Apollo lore. The fact that it canonizes religion for humanity simply makes more sense, atheistic periods in history are short and never complete, religious periods are near universal and long.
I like the fact it included a scene of Uhura doing something technical and out of her usual sphere. That's pretty great for the 60s.
Just rewatched this after viewing this video. Its everything you said, but I have to admit that Apollo's actor totally sold it, and it was surprisingly touching at the end. Also, Leslie Parrish was stunningly beautiful in that pink toga gown Apollo dressed her in.
This was one of the first episodes I saw when I was a kid. I felt so sorry for Apollo. Michael Forest gave a great performance as Apollo.
And he actually reprised the role in "Star Trek Continues", which can be seen youtube.
Love that sequel, so well9 done, 50 years later!
I did not feel sorry for Apollo. He was a good representative of Greek mythology and how they characterized their gods with all the unlikeable traits of humans. Above all, selfishness, denial of free will and conditional love. Not something to admire.
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I believe you've given a great argument for your feelings!
@@davestang5454Yeah, but its a pitiful existence. They have no choice but to have atleast some of these negative traits because they need that to retain their corporeal forms. Imagine needing peoples love and worship to exist and function. Once apollo realised he would never be able to regain the golden age he sublimated into the aether like all of his bretheren. His misguided hope is what kept him together. Until it was simply too obvious to ignore, humanity had changed and olympus was no more.
I actually thought this was one of the better ones for finding God... in large part due to the actor's performance as Apollo. I thought he was quite good, especially at the end.
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I agree, I’d give this around a 7 out of 10.
He made me sad for him 😂
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Who mourns for adonais is one of my top five for the absolute simplicity and in effect maximum hilarity
This episode introduced me to Star Trek as a kid back in the early '80s. I guess for that reason it remains one of my favorites. I like the smart-ass review, but this chapter was actually well-written and reflected on human nature and mankind's place in the universe quite effectively. Michael Forrest proved he was a competent thespian rather than just a bodybuilder trying to pull off the role of Apollo. In my opinion, his acting held this story together.
It is interesting to note that in the original script, Carolyn was supposed to be pregnant with Apollo’s child. McCoy comes on the bridge and tells this to Kirk, but they decided for many reasons to cut that part out…
You should review "Star Trek Continues". This first episode of that series is a sequel to this one. They even got Apollo's actor to reprise the role.
Maybe when he's ran out of established trek... although I am hoping he one day reviews it.
He has a policy against reviewing fanfilms and web series
And it's pretty good for a fanfilm, though you can really tell the difference in skill with a professional actor in the mix.
@@stevenkies802 Yeah the second to last episode with Jean de freaking Lancie in a full guest star role, who totally steals every scene he is in!
Michael Forrest was the actor. He was a stock actor at the time, playing a lot roles in old TV Series.
So, Pollux is the actual name of a nearby star, so despite the unfortunate way it sounds Pollux 4 is indeed a reasonable name for a planet. For all we know it actually exists.
Edit: okay there is at least one planet in the pollux system. Weirdly scientists call it "Pollux b", but hey that's astronomers for you ;)
Lol where's A?
@@Krill_all_health_insuranceCEOs haha exactly. Maybe one day I'll build myself a starship and go look for it! Yes, that sounds like a reasonable goal.
@@SirWilliamKidney Hells yea it is. I wanna know what happened to A dammit
@@Krill_all_health_insuranceCEOsStar Trek: The Search for Pollox A.
A giant green hand is about to grab the Enterprise. Wow that green lantern crossover happened sooner than I thought.
I see by this time, Chekov still hasn't lost his Monkees look yet!
Michael was in a couple other shows I like as well. He played a driver who is involved in a accident with Sgt. Carter on Gomer Pyle. And as a alien in Black Leather Jackets on The Twilight Zone.😁
In Roddenberry's defense, rehashing the same story concept over and over and looking at it through different lenses is very common.
Hitchcock did the "mistaken identity fugitive" movie three times before creating the masterpiece North by Northwest, and Heinlein did the "man goes on doomed adventure because boobies" at least a dozen times.
I don't think that's a bad thing so long as you are continuing to explore the topic.
Personally I've put the "examination of the role of leadership" in everything I've written to one extent or another because leadership is a topic that churns in my brain quite a bit.
The important thing is that you're adding something new to the discussion, and that's where my defense ends. All Roddenberry had to say was, "God bad" and he kept saying it over and over. I would say the same thing about Heinlein's annoying recycling of his favorite juvenile story premise.
You could read a different story every day of the month about how the three laws of robotics make robots do stupid, unexpected things.
@@Somefurfag IT people have assured me, there's some truth in that fiction...
@@Somefurfag I wish I could remember the name of the book, even more the author, but I read a story based on just that, humans would either be rendered so helpless due to robots performing every task "To prevent a human from getting harmed through inaction", humans making robots do stupid things through "Obey all orders", or cause robots to commit suicide through spoken malicious logic using all three laws.
The author contended the three laws were a start, but were flawed, and proposed three amended laws based on Asimov's, but with an addition of a fourth law to prevent robot abuse and idleness.
Point in case, Scorsese did the Irish Man, because movies about mobsters never get old.
This is common on MANY episodic TV shows. I can think of at least 20.
Harlan Ellison - a man who did not suffer fools gladly.
FYI, J Michael Straczynski is involved with helping Ellison's estate after his passing.
Harlan Ellison: also a bit of a jerk. Really great for creativity in design work, but still a jerk.
@@hariman7727 Also the Sun is a bit warm, and the ocean is a bit damp.
Apollo: continuing "Talk to the Hand" jokes beyond when they should have died.
You know, for the God of the Sun, Apollo used a lot of thunderbolts
That's because Zeus had vanished and Thor hadn't been invented yet!
@@Brando64 Or he could be like Azula from Avatar: derives her power from the sun, but uses it to create lightning.
So what was he supposed to use to intimidate the mortals? Give them a sunburn?
Ahahhahahahah I stumbled on this review/commentary. Man oh man I laughed. This guy is great!
This was awesome I love these surreal episodes such as Catspaw , Spectre of the Gun etc.
Everyone TOS did was surreal lool
The "science" part wouldn't start until the films or TNG
Kirk: If we get the enemy to shoot us, he'll run out of bullets!
That actually makes some sense. If your enemy has a weapon and you don't, you have a better chance of overcoming him if you believe he has a limited source of ammunition and you can fool him into wasting it, which would result in leveling the playing field. It's a calculated gamble out of Sun Tzu's "The Art of War".
Another who thinks 4 was too low. Highly entertaining, engaging acting, cool idea. 7.
At least a 7!
One of the best endings. The ending saved this episode.
This story has a non-canon sequel on Star Trek Continues (which is canon to me).
Star Trek Continues is more canon to me than any of the Kurtzman shows.
@@Redshirt434 yep! Fan made material is always better, because at the very least they always try really hard to keep the fictional universe canon and recognisable.
Who needs a tractor beam when you've got huge hands.
Coming back to this after LD Season 5 and the reveal of a certain Ensign Olly who was the demigod child of “Zeus”.
I’m gonna say that Futurama probably nailed it correctly.
So has SFDebris 👍😁
TOS has its charms but at times it did get repetitive and ridiculous. Good old 1960s ideas that couldn't be done today. The space amoeba one being one of the more successful examples, and Apollo is 50/50 for me...
you should review star trek continues at some point, that apollo actor held up pretty well 50 years later. certainly better than shatner.
They did a pretty good job tying up TOS loose ends while also connecting towards the movies and TNG. Too bad Mignogna turned out to be a jerk
@@acerumble yeah no. Looking at the disreputable harpies lobbing accusations at him, it's pretty clear that "kickvic" is bullshit.
@@MasterFhyl I don't know, I wasn't there, maybe you were and and have firsthand knowledge to the contrary. But the fact that all the lawsuits he filed were dismissed, and that people should believe women when they come forward about harassment, all add up to more evidence towards being a jerk than against it
@@MasterFhyl haha are you fucking kidding me
it is not in fact pretty clear
oh and nice misogyny there, really helps your case
@@acerumble nah. people should believe evidence, not blind accusations without proof, conjured up through hatred or jealousy. that's no different than witch hunts or snitching to kgb in soviet russia.
Did you ever find info about the original ending, where Polamus actually gets impregnated by Apollo and at the end, McCoy asks 'what will this baby become?'
Nothing, because serialization and continuity didn't exist yet ;)
Though really... that could have actually been interesting.
A demigod methinks
10:15 Taunting him like a French Knight
Was that a Monty Python Reference? XD
Yeah, I laughed out loud 😄
What is the name of the black woman in the blue uniform who is an extra at 1:15 in the video? Wondering if she appeared in more TV and/or movie appearances. She's beautiful.
I recall a lot of TV over-acting back in the day, but the producers of Star Trek somehow seemed to get their actors to take it up to eleven on a pretty consistent basis, Bill Shatner exemplifying that characteristic. Perhaps they were over-compensating for the quality of the scripts? Great/funny analysis!
P.S. - They should have given him a costume with pants or a long robe, because it's pretty obvious Apollo was skipping leg day at the gym - "Behold the Olympian toothpicks upon which I totter about!" 🤣
I love it when people claim that an actor is "over-acting" because that makes no sense. These old TV shows were essentially STAGE PLAYS where the actors were using a lot of "projection" acting technique, which was normal, just as an actor would do on stage. I will take this acting over at least 95% of the "acting" I see in comic book movies in the modern era. It's worse.
Honestly I think 'How Sharper Than A Serpent's Tooth' did this better from the animated series.
I think all of Stargate did it better as well!
"Pollux is the brightest star in the constellation of Gemini. It has the Bayer designation β Geminorum, which is Latinised to Beta Geminorum and abbreviated Beta Gem or β Gem. This is an orange-hued, evolved red giant located at a distance of 34 light-years, making it the closest red giant (and giant star) to the Sun. Since 1943, the spectrum of this star has served as one of the stable anchor points by which other stars are classified. In 2006 an exoplanet (designated Pollux b or β Geminorum b, later named Thestias) was announced to be orbiting it."
At least apollo can look on the bright side unlike dukat he didn't have to do "good" things for his subjects and still gets statues of him made.
The network actually did make them put in the line about one god. The line was supposed to be "Mankind has no need for gods." And that's it. How incredibly poignant it would have been to have done it the way it was written.
nah, it's fine how it is. no need to throw in too many fedoras.
I really didn't like it at all
Gddm network suits. Maybe they're good at doing.... whatever it is they usually do, but I think it's crazy they're allowed any creative input at all. I would politely tell them to go get boofed.
Writers need to be a bit pushier and not roll over so much
BIG OOF
not just here ... Other trek series and TV series and films as well
On the contrary. I applaud the change. The network was right.
Nice to see you again 🙏🙏🙏
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Man, i watched 2 Episodes and was GONE
This show would be awesome... if Futurama never existed
At the time when this episode was being made, the concept that the Ancient Greek and Roman gods as well as others were actually Alien beings from another planet, was just coming to the forefront of discussion. Chariot of the gods came out a little later.
Too bad they said he was real instead of an impersonator.
@@sandal_thong Who? The guy who wrote chariot of the gods was a con man.
@@coleparker The character of Apollo. It galls me to hear Captain Kirk saying this creature inspired or created Ancient Greece.
@@sandal_thong Interesting, can you tell me why it galls you?
@@coleparker Because I believe in science and history and human achievement. The idea that things were handed to us by the gods, whether it's wheat or pyramids or Greek philosophy is contrary to that.
Apollo always gives me the vibe that he realy, REALY, NEEDS TO TELL US ABOUT MACHO GRANDE.
over macho grande?
No. He'll never be over Nacho Grande.
In the James Blish paperback adaptions, at the end, back on the ship, Carolyn Palamas turned out to be pregnant...
That was part of the original script, but NBC nixed it.
"Please enjoy our thirty-page forum thread on this issue." As an Atheist, I find that comment absolutely hilarious! 🙂
13:19 The temple looks like it’s made out of valveeta cheese.
I have a suspicion that when Adonais took lieutenant Carolyn Palamas into the undergrowth he gave her a dam good rodjering. Obviously, what she was after. But then contention.
To his credit, Kirk was able to do in an hour what Jack O'Neill took an entire decade to accomplish.
Your review is excellent, but I'd give a higher rating because of the acting!
BTW, i recently watched the sequel to this episode on Star Trek continues. Was fantastic and possibly even better than the original!
-One may wonder if you high level of education would bring you above saying words like Booger. Thank you for the clarification on that.
-I have to agree with other viewers. Dispite the level and quality of the writing for the episode, Michael Forest did excellent. I'm not saying I like the character, I'm saying I like what Forest did with it. It could have been much worse under anoother actor's care. Through Forest, I truly believed that Apollo believed everything he said. I was surprised when Kirk had voiced his theory on Apollo being a real god, but only because he didn't make that claim with the others before and after. But, the claim itself didn't surprise me because Apollo seemed guileless with his claim, not hiding an ulterior motive. He truly believed he was giving the people what they wanted, by the example of how they reacted 5,000 years ago. After years of seeing fake gods, in many forms, through out all of the spin-offs and movies, it was definitely different having an authentic one, for once.
I don't care, I really like this episode; So many other TOS premises have "God like" or "near a God", this one cuts out the pretense and subterfuge by ending with on "no, this really WAS Apollo".
It really makes you think... "4/10"... or not.
There are far worse but I think it's the acting and a couple scenes that go above and beyond the tired trope. It's almost poetic.
@@ShamrockParticle Agreed, I’d give it a 7. The unsung hero of many shows is the casting director.
If you listen carefully, "Apollo" actually admits that he isn't really a god in the story. He said that he was LIKE a god to Carolyn.
Scotty is the tos worf.
No wonder the two were wary of each other in TNG’s Relics.
it's times like this I wonder how the original team would've reacted to Q
Not well. What’s most amazing is how all these all powerful races, Gothosians, Organians, the Metrons from Arena, the Q, etc didn’t ever meet, fight, etc.
Michael Forest was gorgeous! No wonder she got preggers.
6:33 wait were those last two at the same time?
The worst "(insert god here) is really an advanced alien" episode is still the Animated Series episode How Sharper than a Serpent's Tooth". One would think that it would have turned the franchise off of such things, but Star Trek V exists, so...
"What does god need with a starship?"
10:11 I wouldn’t be surprised if Roddenberry originally wrote it as Yahweh/Jesus, but was forced to rewrite it as Apollo.
6:25 in that exact order? 😯
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Pollax as in Pollax Troy, the brother of Castor Troy from FACE / OFF?
Uh, why didn't he just crush the ship with his hand, what (16:01), where's his hand? ;-)
Who mourns for "Who Mourns for Adonis?"? Nobody.
In the context of that Ellison quote, Star Trek V might be seen as "the most Roddenberry-ish" of the movies. That's not praise.
To be fair, it was the most Shatner. :)
Maybe Morn does
9:31 I would love to hear how someone like Ellison would respond to finding out there actually was an afterlife.
I sometimes wonder if in the Trek universe do they have any follow up missions to planets with weird discoveries? For example this planet would be of huge interest to historians. The place were the greek gods came from?Ie Ancient aliens was true all along?Just about every historian specialised on Antiquity would sell his arm for the chance of seeing such a place. Heck historians would be offended that they had to eliminate one of the few 'living' links to the world of Antiquity.
You don't know where that hand's been!
It would have been funny if the hand "flagged a bird" as the Enterprise departed.
TOS had 7 or 8 excellent episodes - the remainder ranging from turd-on-a-stick to ho-hum. Adonis is ho-hum (the first yawn occurring about 1/3 of the way through) - mind you, the force field shaped like a hand was pretty damn cool.
I think I could do a top ten but I’d have to look through a list of titles. Off the top of my head, my top 4 are 1) Amok Time, 2) Mirror, Mirror, 3) Journey to Babel, 4) City on the Edge of Forever. What are your 7 or 8? But I’m gonna one example: Man Trap, the first episode (shown). It’s neither a turd, nor ho-hum. It’s quite exciting, just not a top tenner.
@@RLucas3000 Where no man has gone before, Charlie X, Mudd's Women, the Trouble with Tribbles, The Corbomite Maneuver, The menagerie, Balance of Terror, The Galileo 7, Court Martial, Space Seed, The Devil In the Dark, Errand of Mercy, The Doomsday Machine, A Piece of the Action, The Ultimate Computer... there are a few more, but definitely a lot more than a ridiculous 7 or 8 that the OP claimed.
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Agreed!
Castor and Pollux are twin half-brothers in Greek and Roman mythology,
"THE McTEMPLE" Lost it! It's not much bigger than the picnicc tablle!
That's what you do with a limited budget. These days the producers with just use computer trickery.
Giant green hand is more Mogo's deal than Ego's.
14:12 klingons have nothing on kirk as far as god slaying goes.
Up casting bigby’s hand
Haven't thought of Bigby's since Baldurs Gate 2.
Reminds me of making crude Abi Dalzims Horrid Wilting jokes in 9th grade. :P
Apollo is a niceguy
Lolol r/ancientniceguys
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Gotta love those TOS dresses. I simply HAVE to imagine the pure outrage of conservative parents throughout the Midwest at how risqué the show could be for its time. After all, leading young boys and idle husbands into the visual temptations of the female form must have been intolerable for some.
Just not the boys and idle husbands.
Stereotyping conservatives is pretty pathetic when liberals are just as bad and just as "puritanical" in their own way.
So you put up these videos to mock star trek in particular or all science fiction in general.
One should note the series was written in the sixties.
Though why should the idea of any parent choosing to stay home and raise thier own children instead of having the state raise them.
That hand that rocks the cradle rules the world.
I acknowledge that Kirk's stunt w/ fathers car would probably provide evidence that he lacked certain discipline and or good judgement.
Back when Starfleet only had 12 interstellar warp capable ships they did not hand out captain's rank /duty haphazardly.
Well mayhe for the exception of Garth, Tracy, Decker... 😅
Man, all of these "Earth thing but in Spaaaaace!" early Trek stories are by far and away the most dated and dumb. They're borderline embarrassing...
How are you bash tos
All science fiction stories are ultimately Earth things in space because we have no frame of reference but our own existence to weave stories about. The best we can do is use our experience of existence as a foundation and try to twist it in some manner to seem more alien because we've no comprehension what any truly alien thing might be like.
Indeed, anything truly, fully alien would be, at least initially, beyond our ability to comprehend. H.P. Lovecraft had a lot to say on that matter.
Dated yes but not dumb, they're not mutually inclusive
I will take anything in this "dated" series over modern sci-fi. You have given modern sci-fi far too much credit.
Not as good as the episode where Kirk phasers Jesus and Scotty beams Muhammad on to the surface of the sun .
Idk about finding God every episode ... ( they find many things obvs that are far from it)... but it is sadly formulaic . Steven king will say anythung the can pretend to depth and darkness or to new thought. Yawn ... yeha that was not needed steven... old as the hills
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Honestly the "we find the one quite adequate" is the reason why this episode sticks out to me more than the Apollo lore. The fact that it canonizes religion for humanity simply makes more sense, atheistic periods in history are short and never complete, religious periods are near universal and long.