The Rookie & Why Tech won't save Policing

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  • Опубліковано 28 чер 2024
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    The Rookie is an ABC cop show that spends a lot of time talking about the problems with policing and putting forth an aspirational vision of the police. Their solution? Body cameras, and lots of them. But is that a good idea or is the show just lying?
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    0:00 - Introduction
    4:43 - Divorced Dad Energy
    17:46 - Daddy Cop is Watching You
    29:20 - Source: Trust Me Bro
    #police #therookie

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  • @brentraptor
    @brentraptor 11 місяців тому +3255

    every episode skip will bring up a show i have never heard of in my life and then tell me it's one of the most popular shows in the country. great ep btw

    • @banonKING
      @banonKING 11 місяців тому +178

      You're probably not over 48 in age then.

    • @discographetti
      @discographetti 11 місяців тому +93

      now do Yellowstone (seriously never heard of it until it was like #1 TOP PERFORMING SHOW)

    • @GaigeGrosskreutzGunClub
      @GaigeGrosskreutzGunClub 11 місяців тому +41

      @@discographetti with like 8 spinoffs

    • @Social_Pugatory
      @Social_Pugatory 11 місяців тому +104

      It’s because if you’re in a UA-cam comment section you most likely aren’t watching daytime/primetime live tv. 😂

    • @anthonyiglesias1221
      @anthonyiglesias1221 11 місяців тому +18

      @@discographetti The most I know about yellowstone is from a youtube short of some sterotypical chinese people who are near a bear and just hate ranch owners? I guess

  • @bruhmoment4758
    @bruhmoment4758 11 місяців тому +1981

    Just found out LAPD is a real thing. Day ruined.

    • @Hawk7886
      @Hawk7886 11 місяців тому +39

      man Rodney King is rolling over in his grave

    • @Name-ot3xw
      @Name-ot3xw 11 місяців тому

      @@Hawk7886 scientists are wrapping his corpse in copper cable to use as a source of electricity.

    • @laceybabay1013
      @laceybabay1013 11 місяців тому

      LAPD is just a massive gang. Look up Cerise Castle and all of the shit she dealt with from LAPD for covering their crimes.

    • @tambrabonds950
      @tambrabonds950 11 місяців тому +21

      ​@@Hawk7886😂 this got me, we been having this talk since outright slave owning was made illegal and it ain't got anywhere

    • @Thor-Orion
      @Thor-Orion 10 місяців тому

      It’s so funny; cops will have the public believing that fentanyl and drug gangs are these fucking boogeymen, but the real Boogeymen are these cops playing with military surplus toys made for fucking war zones on the streets of our own cities. What the fuck does a civilian police department anywhere in the United States need an MRAP for? This ain’t fucking Chechnya, this ain’t Beirut, there aren’t ieds lining our roads. Shit is fucking ridiculous.

  • @paein9642
    @paein9642 10 місяців тому +643

    Correction: According to his family's attorney, Houston Ryan Tipping wasn't killed in a training accident, he was murdered because he reported two other cops for SAing a woman while on duty.

    • @Palemagpie
      @Palemagpie 7 місяців тому +1

      Jesus, they really are just a criminal organisation ain't they?

    • @waytoohypernova
      @waytoohypernova 7 місяців тому +61

      Holy zhit

    • @sarahmaxima
      @sarahmaxima 4 місяці тому +42

      Not even suprising.

    • @maragazh9993
      @maragazh9993 4 дні тому

      Hey, any updates on Houston Ryan Tipping? I am looking around and can't find anything besides headlines on the allegations by the family and their lawyer in 2022.

    • @suzuplaza
      @suzuplaza 3 дні тому

      @@maragazh9993 cops can murder anyone they want and get away with it. thats exactly what happened here. the only thing you can do about it is remember that cops arent immortal *wink wink*

  • @richardtickler8555
    @richardtickler8555 11 місяців тому +2689

    The actors get more training per season than real cops

    • @stenyethanmathews945
      @stenyethanmathews945 11 місяців тому +46

      😂😂 LMFAO

    • @jayerjavec
      @jayerjavec 11 місяців тому +118

      This.
      Duration of training is the issue. Here in EU it takes years of painstaking training to even become a rookie. US accepts a lot of questionable individuals, even those with PTSD trauma. So, good luck with reform.

    • @dongi2869
      @dongi2869 11 місяців тому +63

      @@jayerjavec Even then, in Germany there is still a lot of police brutality and well the police has a lot of nazis

    • @arditlika9388
      @arditlika9388 11 місяців тому +60

      @@jayerjavec Even so, it doesn't address the problem. We've seen the police in the UK, France, Germany etc, and how brutal they can be, and it's getting worse. We are becoming more like the Americans with each passing day.

    • @P-nk-m-na
      @P-nk-m-na 11 місяців тому +19

      ​@@jayerjavecgood thing im an abolitionist, not a reformist :)

  • @JordanSullivanadventures
    @JordanSullivanadventures 11 місяців тому +1167

    Lol the cop chief going, "can you imagine how horrible it is if someone shoves a PHONE CAMERA in your face?!" with zero irony is really par for the course here isn't it.

    • @dirrdevil
      @dirrdevil 11 місяців тому +131

      That was Eric Adams, former cop and conservative Democrat mayor of NYC. That's real. Adams is a heartless monster.

    • @belhariry
      @belhariry 11 місяців тому

      Eric Adams, the dumbest mayor in NYC history. He makes DeBlasio look like a genius in comparision.

    • @tambrabonds950
      @tambrabonds950 11 місяців тому +64

      It's truly par for the course. It's terrifying for cops to have independent accountability, but they don't have any issues with civilians recording other civilians

    • @emanymton5789
      @emanymton5789 10 місяців тому +58

      I'd answer him: "Would you prefer having a gun shoved in your face? That can be arranged. The problem you are having is that you're no longer controlling the narrative. It's the age old "Who watches the watchmen?" Well, we do. All the time. Get used to it."

    • @krelekari
      @krelekari 10 місяців тому

      Now... If it was a GUN it'd be different. We all know everybody loves police pulling a gun pulled on them

  • @TheRedneckGamer1979
    @TheRedneckGamer1979 11 місяців тому +1485

    Turning off their body camera is the new version of putting their badge in their pocket.
    Edit: The tool used to break the car window isn't new, and isn't exclusive to police. It's called a window punch, costs between 5 and 10 dollars and usually also includes a seatbelt cutter. I keep one in my car or pocket pretty much at all times. It is in my opinion a piece of equipment that everyone should keep in their car.

    • @gapsule2326
      @gapsule2326 11 місяців тому +107

      It was recommended by the Mythbusters too, in case your car starts sinking in water.

    • @TheRedneckGamer1979
      @TheRedneckGamer1979 11 місяців тому +52

      @@gapsule2326 Yep, can save your own life or the life of someone else.

    • @Name-ot3xw
      @Name-ot3xw 11 місяців тому +23

      If you can't find a window punch, find a hinge pin remover. It's just a nail on a spring thing.

    • @achimdemus-holzhaeuser1233
      @achimdemus-holzhaeuser1233 11 місяців тому +24

      There are also several placed on German Public Transportation as Security equipment in case of emergency.

    • @darkshadowrule2952
      @darkshadowrule2952 11 місяців тому +28

      Yeah, my dad had to break out a guy's window with a hatchet once to pull him away from a smoking car. Window punches help make that a bit safer for everyone involved. Would recommend

  • @RogueAstro85
    @RogueAstro85 11 місяців тому +923

    These shows are poisoning the minds of so many people. I'm a hospice nurse and the amount of old people that think downtown is full of murder is insane. I live in one of the safest cities relative to population size and old people still think I'm out there dodging bullets getting to the grocery store. Also, the amount of extra education I have to give people on the safety of narcotics is absurd. One patient's son freaked out and threatened to kill me because I suggested a fentanyl patch for his mother who was on her death bed in severe pain. Shows like this just make people terrified of mostly harmless things and I think they contribute a lot to right wing paranoia

    • @dirrdevil
      @dirrdevil 11 місяців тому +51

      Old people only watch Hallmark movies and cop shows.

    • @emanymton5789
      @emanymton5789 10 місяців тому +51

      I bet the son only knew fenta as a deadly street drug. same with oxicodon. oxi and fenta can be used to get high, especially when you buy them off the streets. but that is the *misuse* of those drugs. you know better than me about the medicinal use of oxi and fenta. and that's how it should be used. in this case on a terminal patient as pain reliever. she is not supposed to get high on the stuff, just feel a bit better and maybe make it a little easyer for her to let go. codeine for instance is found in some cough syrups, that one gets abused pretty much also. but the operational word here is abuse. you were not abusing the drugs, quite the contrary. you were using them as intended in a safe and controlled environment in safe and controlled dosages. most of the street drugs today started out as medicines that people decided to abuse. it is sad that this fact is widely forgotten. so thank you for caring so much for your patients that you wanted to make their last days or hours a little easyer. when my dad died of altzheimer's we had a doc come over and give him something for his pain to make it a little easyer. It was some rather heavy stuff, i didn't ask what it was, i was just thankful that it alleviated his pain. and ours. seeing my dad die was bad enough but seeing him die in pain would have broken me. so thank you for showing compassion. and don't let that freakout get to you, i believe the son was just out of his mind with grief and fear. you were just an easy target to vent. on hindsight this freakout seems kinda silly. he's fearing his dieing mom gets hooked on opioids. what's she gonna do, come back from the dead and demand more? unless we're at the beginning of a zombie apocalypse that seems highly unlikely.

    • @picahudsoniaunflocked5426
      @picahudsoniaunflocked5426 10 місяців тому +43

      Thank you for becoming a hospice nurse. We all die, & I appreciate anyone making that easier for patient + families.

    • @VicViper1984
      @VicViper1984 10 місяців тому +56

      The issue surrounding the public's understanding of drugs is also the reason why people lose their minds over the use of puberty blockers for trans youth. They don't understand that dosage is everything with pharmacology, and the same drug can yield very different results based on the dosage, and that something that is very beneficial or efficacious in small doses can be deadly/harmful in larger doses, but that doesn't negate the positive uses of the drug.

    • @Tores444
      @Tores444 10 місяців тому +20

      Lol it's not the shows. Sheltered people will always think anwhere innercity is like fucking Gotham

  • @tellmewill
    @tellmewill 11 місяців тому +898

    Cops making a game out of arresting as many people as possible is literally a bit in the earlier seasons of Reno 911 about how cruel and unserious the police are. It baffles me so much that they put that in their show and tried to use it to tug at peoples hearts

    • @nont18411
      @nont18411 10 місяців тому +63

      And Brooklyn 99 as a bet for Jake and Amy to be romantic to each other.

    • @jacobc8036
      @jacobc8036 10 місяців тому +37

      Are you serious? That sounds like something I’d over hear in GTA V chatter

    • @BababooeyGooey
      @BababooeyGooey 10 місяців тому +72

      @@jacobc8036 GTA V isn't "hyper satire" it's just actual footage of Los Angeles made to look like a video game for legal reasons.

    • @Lowlandlord
      @Lowlandlord 10 місяців тому +18

      I think it's meant to show us how fun they can be, or something? Because arresting people is fun, I guess?

    • @andre8272
      @andre8272 10 місяців тому +4

      Or maybe TV shows about cops don't have to be accurate. I watched the show and they are extremely inaccurate.

  • @thewordshifter
    @thewordshifter 10 місяців тому +257

    I'm a community college professor. One of my students, a mom with young kids, did a research paper about how Paw Patrol is copaganda. She made some amazing points and got an A. One of the best paper topics I've ever received.

    • @CHiCguitar
      @CHiCguitar 7 місяців тому +17

      During the pandemic I saved a meme of Chase that said ACAB on it and I laugh every time I look at it. It's both hilarious and thought-provoking the longer you look at it.

    • @Noodlyk18
      @Noodlyk18 6 місяців тому +23

      That's hilarious, the poor woman deserved to talk shit about Paw Patrol, must've watched every episode a dozen times.

    • @oniemployee3437
      @oniemployee3437 4 місяці тому

      Ah yes, the kids show about talking dogs doing EMS is gonna brainwash your kids into being a cop lover. Because, you know, cops are evil? How dare these networks take such evil topics like "serving your community" and "being a good person" and market that to kids!! None of the shows we had as kids did that! No sir!

  • @disneybunny45
    @disneybunny45 11 місяців тому +185

    I am generally opposed to random people filming other while they do their job, but it's a different story when that job is being a cop. Police/sheriffs have so many protections that catching them on video is often the only way to prove that they did something wrong.

    • @Darkpara1
      @Darkpara1 10 місяців тому +25

      You have a constitutional right to film a police officer while out in public. But you don't have the right to interfere with their lawful duties. If an officer tries to interfere with you filming them at a reasonable distance, you'd have grounds to file a lawsuit.

    • @screamingcactus1753
      @screamingcactus1753 5 місяців тому +9

      And even if you manage to clear every bar and prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that a police officer did something illegal, then as long as they haven't been convicted of that exact same infraction in the past qualified immunity kicks in and nothing happens.

    • @sirbilliam3455
      @sirbilliam3455 5 місяців тому

      ​@@screamingcactus1753 double jeopardy is for that one specific offense. So if I murder my mother, get found not guilty then kill my father I can be found guilty for that murder.

    • @joshuaa7266
      @joshuaa7266 9 днів тому +1

      @@sirbilliam3455 I think he means that if there isn't a precedent for something being illegal (for instance, if a cop did something bad but there hasn't been an instance of that specific offense going to court for a cop) there's a good chance the court will decide to not convict the cop. I can't speak for him though.

  • @PeterEhik
    @PeterEhik 11 місяців тому +517

    It never stops surprising me how popular these cop shows I’ve never heard of are. Can someone stop all these old people from watching TV. I mean we complain about how TikTok and Instagram are rotting young peoples brains but no one says nothing about network TV and all their “news” and cop shows.

    • @user-es7ui5mc1m
      @user-es7ui5mc1m 11 місяців тому +60

      Ironically, tiktok *is* the place where most come in contact with The Rookie. Clips from it go viral all the time. And I don't think that's too much of a surprise, like he said, it's pretty popular in the 18-49 demogrpahic!

    • @shreksvr123
      @shreksvr123 11 місяців тому +11

      there are probably younger people making edits/mtvs on tiktok unfortunately😭

    • @Johnny_T779
      @Johnny_T779 11 місяців тому

      Oh but they have to rot old people's brains first, because... They are the ones who vote the most and protest the least 😅.

    • @Hawk7886
      @Hawk7886 11 місяців тому +1

      @@user-es7ui5mc1m 18-49 is such a bullshit massive demographic which is frequently spun to reach any and every conclusion under the sun. I don't hate on Nathan, he's just trying to get paid and he found his niche. I do hate on the bootlickers that can't feel their pants get tight unless someone in a uniform is shooting someone else.

    • @inspectregadget2856
      @inspectregadget2856 11 місяців тому +17

      It's young people too, unfortunately. My friend got really into the show (I imagine through TikTok).

  • @matthewmcneany
    @matthewmcneany 11 місяців тому +477

    'Be racist on your first day or be looked down upon by your more senior colleagues' might have been an actually interesting idea if they'd had the honesty to see it through and admit that Tim is the problem.

    • @warmachine5835
      @warmachine5835 5 місяців тому +32

      Years ago I listened to an episode of This American Life where the former cop being interviewed outright stated that if you don't conform to your senior officers' prejudiced expectations, in spite of whatever they pushed in academy, you'd get ostracized and stonewalled until you either adopted the prejudices or quit. It was at that moment I became a staunch police abolitionist; something that rotten cannot be reformed, only torn down and rebuilt.

    • @TheNobleFive
      @TheNobleFive 4 місяці тому

      ​@@warmachine5835 If you tear down and rebuild something you are reforming it.
      I have a lot of issues with cops, but I'd rather have them here than the attempt at fixing the police that cities like LA and DC have done.

    • @cracky3931
      @cracky3931 4 місяці тому +5

      @@TheNobleFive a great deal of cities that are described as "reforming" the police actually do no such thing, some "liberal" cities have even increased police funding without any reform.

    • @latch9781
      @latch9781 2 місяці тому +5

      Tbf he does ignore the fact that Tim acknowledges he was wrong, confronts his behaviour and changes because of it. That's called a character arc

    • @marvelmaniacs1
      @marvelmaniacs1 2 місяці тому +4

      Yeah, it's clear that you don't actually know what you're talking about given the fact that the whole entire lesson that Tim was trying to teach her was that she needs to follow orders and that wasn't supposed to be a whole storyline about how he's racist because he was never intended to be the whole entire point as I've already stated was to see if she would follow orders or not. You're also negating the part where he gets confronted by Lucy about this later in the show and he doesn't realize what he did was bad. Then he does and literally apologizes for it

  • @PaoloBosi
    @PaoloBosi 11 місяців тому +567

    Honestly, I'm just surprised Skip Intro is stil alive after so many videos on Copaganda. To 100 more years of this!

    • @JacksonJinn
      @JacksonJinn 11 місяців тому +65

      Alternative; I hope one day and one day soon, this show can become an archival project of how bad it *was,* instead of... 100 more years of copaganda that actively kills people and destroys lives.

    • @ArcadeJackson-us7mq
      @ArcadeJackson-us7mq 11 місяців тому +7

      @@JacksonJinn eek 😬 yea for real.

    • @I.____.....__...__
      @I.____.....__...__ 11 місяців тому

      Why would he be in danger? It's not like the videos on this channel are actually going to do or change anything. 🤷 Cops no longer fear witnesses or cameras and commit their crimes in plain view of both because it doesn't matter, at most, some people will whine or protest and give cops more opportunities to attack people, then it will fade away and the cops will get off scot-free. There's no reason to target him or the channel. 🤦

    • @TempRawr
      @TempRawr 11 місяців тому +1

      Def on a bunch of list by now sadly

    • @tambrabonds950
      @tambrabonds950 11 місяців тому +3

      Dudes being saved by having a relatively low number of subs, wait til he gets really big and starts getting swatted -_-

  • @krelekari
    @krelekari 10 місяців тому +59

    "I STAND ALONE" The cop recruitment ad sings, as 6 incredibly in sync members of a raid squad bust and pile through the door together

    • @latch9781
      @latch9781 2 місяці тому +3

      They were social distancing I guess

  • @JordanSullivanadventures
    @JordanSullivanadventures 11 місяців тому +391

    That racist Spanish cop test encounter is so baffling I can't even figure out what the writers thought they were portraying. Like I can't even interpret it uncharitably because I genuinely don't know what the point of the scene was supposed to be, except maybe, always defer to authority figures, especially if you're a woman or minority.

    • @I.____.....__...__
      @I.____.....__...__ 11 місяців тому

      That's exactly what cops want, always defer to their authoritah! Like Routh's characters expositing the crap out of the other scene by actually saying he likes obsequious citizens (which is 100% backwards, cops are SUPPOSED to serve the people that pay them, not the other way around). 🤷

    • @jeremycanning7058
      @jeremycanning7058 11 місяців тому +76

      Well see, it's simple really they wrote that guy as the racist asshole cop then fumbled giving him an arc.

    • @trianglemoebius
      @trianglemoebius 10 місяців тому +41

      The seconds scene is an attempt to gaslight the audience.
      They're hoping that either the audience has forgotten exactly what happened in that scene or started watching too late to have seen it. It was mentioned in a few reviews, vids, etc. when it aired, so they're hoping they can make people think the backlash was "taken out of context".

    • @picahudsoniaunflocked5426
      @picahudsoniaunflocked5426 10 місяців тому +29

      @@jeremycanning7058 Probably! I was like "oh, they wanted to keep that actor so they had to make his big horrible racist sexist scene seem innocuous so they got a different actor to be the expendable racist cop & cartooned it up so they could pretend it was different." That was wild.
      Also want to know who came up with the "he wants to be a cop, but his Dad is a rich hip hop artist" character bc that is whack. Tho we live in a world where a hip hop artist plays a cop on TV, so...

    • @mohamadhoumani5312
      @mohamadhoumani5312 10 місяців тому +7

      @@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 to be fair they actually explicitly do call him out on that in the show. Admittedly, it takes a long time, but when they’re talking about it with Tim about the whatever cop I know the actor I don’t know the characters name but the racist she points out that’s exactly how those people she stopped on her first day felt when he was talking at them they were terrified of him, trying to live their life, and he was tormenting them effectively just to teach her a lesson, and it’s made abundantly clear he didn’t really think about it like that

  • @anirbannandi8263
    @anirbannandi8263 11 місяців тому +206

    So according to the show, you stop saying "f**k the police" once you actually, you know, f**k a police.
    Side note: you're going to love viduthalai, the Tamil movie
    Also side note: please do 24

    • @notNajimi
      @notNajimi 11 місяців тому +11

      Yes! Do 24!

    • @alexandraw6264
      @alexandraw6264 11 місяців тому +8

      24! 24! 24!
      Ps do you recommend viduthalai? Is that the one on Netflix?

    • @andreavacca9182
      @andreavacca9182 10 місяців тому +5

      Oh yeah, 24 would be a banger!

  • @ivan-to2zy
    @ivan-to2zy 11 місяців тому +433

    One of the biggest fake things in rookie is that they actually hold police accounting there. Someone does something wrong on the show, the hammer comes down at them and they struggle to show they did everything right.
    In reality, a cop does something wrong and the department bends over backwards to protect them.

    • @thepubknight6144
      @thepubknight6144 11 місяців тому +27

      That's most cops shows even movies about cops do the same thing
      The only "realistic" approach I've seen was in comic movies

    • @daverobson3084
      @daverobson3084 11 місяців тому +18

      It depends on the department , but, yeah. Especially when making a movie about the LA police department , where, if they didn't bend over backwards to defend bad police behavior they would have about 12 cops for the whole 3 million+ city population.

    • @picahudsoniaunflocked5426
      @picahudsoniaunflocked5426 10 місяців тому +16

      @@daverobson3084 Yeah I can't remember the number exactly but last year I read reporting on how many police-gangs are on LAPD & it was...just not a good number. Anything above zero is bad, but I remember trying to look up more info bc it was a startling # to me.

    • @IsaRican810
      @IsaRican810 10 місяців тому +13

      I grew up watching Law and Order in its various forms and Internal Affairs was always portrayed as the bad guys harassing perfectly good cops just doing what they have to to get “perps” off the streets.

    • @TheArrowedKnee
      @TheArrowedKnee 10 місяців тому

      It's copaganda in kind of an opposite way of Blue Bloods

  • @someguy79
    @someguy79 11 місяців тому +70

    10:20 i lold and thought "the US doesn't so much _train_ paramilitary forces ... we mostly just _arm_ them"

  • @beast_boy97
    @beast_boy97 11 місяців тому +651

    I went to high school with that "daddy cop" singer. He coerced and assaulted several women in college. His dad created this show, so of course he puts his son in it. Almost got nauseous seeing his face again lol

    • @tai9705
      @tai9705 11 місяців тому +95

      daaaaaaamn. that's....I hope that's not true but I also wouldn't be surprised if it was

    • @MegaHAZE21
      @MegaHAZE21 11 місяців тому +68

      These are some serious allegations. Did anything happen to him?, were any investigations conducted?.
      I have low hopes of any "justice" being served if his dad is wealthy and connected enough to create tv shows.
      There's also the whole deeply depressing culture surrounding this topic in general, but I'd like to know now you've said it.

    • @I.____.....__...__
      @I.____.....__...__ 11 місяців тому +46

      Huh? You'll have to be more clear. The show was created by Alexi Hawley and there are no actors named Hawley on the show. 🤔

    • @Hawk7886
      @Hawk7886 11 місяців тому +41

      man I swear it's impossible to have a comment section on anything without someone claiming they personally knew one of the dudes and they're some sort of monster. Come on.

    • @beast_boy97
      @beast_boy97 11 місяців тому +140

      @@I.____.....__...__ His name is Zander Hawley, he appears only in that episode, Daddy cop. He was publicly accused by several women and it was brought to the attention of the University he was attending at the time, but was never brought to court for it.

  • @taylorfox7974
    @taylorfox7974 11 місяців тому +130

    The rookie is admittedly a guilty pleasure. I enjoy it. Buuut yeah it is hardcore copaganda, pretending to be "asking the tough questions" about cops.They do ask tough questions, but the answer is invariably "not all cops"

    • @adrianguinn3331
      @adrianguinn3331 11 місяців тому +9

      propaganda is designed to be enjoyable. if it wasnt nobody would give a shit.
      good luck with life and such.

    • @beautifullEternal
      @beautifullEternal 10 місяців тому

      @@adrianguinn3331is that what you tell the Chinese?

    • @tired690
      @tired690 10 місяців тому

      ​@@beautifullEternalwhat's this gotta do with chinese ppl u sinophobe

    • @lanalan4157
      @lanalan4157 4 місяці тому +4

      ​@@adrianguinn3331 but that's true though..Not all cops are bad and vice versa..I think the rookie did a good job of showing both sides.

  • @Schm1dtstorm
    @Schm1dtstorm 11 місяців тому +365

    I agree with the take on bodycams, however I don't think we should get rid of them. Instead, the justice system needs to treat a non-operational bodycam during an incident as an admission of guilt.

    • @JacksonJinn
      @JacksonJinn 11 місяців тому +131

      Openly allowing civilians to record officers would help. As has been pointed out, bodycams are pointed at the civilians, not the officers.

    • @tylerhippo
      @tylerhippo 11 місяців тому +15

      ⁠@@JacksonJinnwhat are you even talking about lol? Civilians are already allowed to film cops lmao. Do you also want the body’s cam to be replaced with a 3rd person camera using a stick 😂

    • @randomguy966
      @randomguy966 11 місяців тому +129

      @@tylerhippothere have been multiple cases of civilians being harassed by law enforcement for simply recording them, recently a Arizona law had to be struck down because it blatantly violated this right. There have been multiple cases of cops blaring music while being recorded so that it would get copyright struck.

    • @Hopperton
      @Hopperton 11 місяців тому +79

      ​​@@tylerhippoKentucky just attempted to put a law on the books saying you can't film police because of the 2020 BLM protests. Lmao

    • @I.____.....__...__
      @I.____.....__...__ 11 місяців тому +1

      @@JacksonJinn To what end? Cops don't care about cameras or witnesses, they commit their crimes in front of both with impunity because the WHOLE SYSTEM is corrupt. Think about it this way, literally EVERY video of corrupt cops that you've seen was recorded on camera, and it didn't help the victims, did it? It didn't punish the cops, did it? It didn't stop dirty cops, did it? 🤦

  • @wesleydragon9885
    @wesleydragon9885 11 місяців тому +174

    Love for you to look at Chicago PD - they have an openly corrupt cop as the lead ‘moral’ character - ‘he was doing it to arrest drug dealers’ they say.
    Also SVU and Elliot Stabler being a overly violent cop because ‘his dad was an overly violent cop and Stabler hates child molesters’
    Both programs have longevity and large fandoms and connected series. It be interesting to see what you think.
    As a Brit it’s interesting to see police dramas commercialised as adverts, the uk spends much more time on detectives with drinking problems.

    • @wesleydragon9885
      @wesleydragon9885 11 місяців тому +17

      Also Rookie Blue, an Canadian cop show from 2010 which takes a similar story of new cops first 5 years on the job. One big storyline is Dov Epstein shooting a black kid in a corner store, it’s questioned for about two seconds of whether he racially profiled before it’s revealed the kid was ‘bad’
      The show is pretty balanced for a cop show but that episode/storyline always felt off to me

    • @thepubknight6144
      @thepubknight6144 11 місяців тому

      They also constantly make the FBI look bad or uncaring
      Even when they do speak on corrupt cops they make it seem like they'll police each other and call internal affairs which we know never happens even with good cops they stay quiet
      Didn't a story about a sheriff and his cops were having sex with a female cop that went on for years and and was only exposed because a FBI agent was investigating money fraud this year ??

    • @bloomnights
      @bloomnights 11 місяців тому +15

      I think svu in particular might be an interest case just by how much damage control they've been doing on Stabler's actions now that he is back. The amount of times characters said "thing's don't work like that anymore", hinting or outright talking the BLM protests in 2020 is insane. It's very much "the cops are bad except this ones that are def the good ones".

    • @wilcee238
      @wilcee238 11 місяців тому +4

      The Copaganda episode about Chicago PD would have to be a three parter

    • @beautifullEternal
      @beautifullEternal 10 місяців тому +8

      I love chicago fire and med, but I just can’t with pd. It’s like I’m watching actual bad cops. Whenever there’s a crossover Idk what to do lol

  • @janine7384
    @janine7384 11 місяців тому +258

    Wasn't that officer who died in a "training accident" actually murdered because he was investigating gangs?

    • @ahmadhadi177
      @ahmadhadi177 11 місяців тому +3

      Can you please elaborate it?I want to know more.

    • @Matt-vq8fg
      @Matt-vq8fg 11 місяців тому

      I don't think they were investigating gangs. They were investigating other officers involved in a gang rape and suspiciously died in training. Fucked up either way.
      "LAPD officer Houston Tipping died after a training exercise during which he was beaten & slammed to the ground by other cops. Now, his lawyer says that at the time he died, he was investigating a gang rape by 4 cops, at least one of whom was part of the exercise."

    • @darkshadowrule2952
      @darkshadowrule2952 11 місяців тому +38

      The California one? I vaguely remember he was part of investigating a handful of the guys that "accidentally" beat him to death.

    • @Hawk7886
      @Hawk7886 11 місяців тому +137

      @@ahmadhadi177 Officer Houston Tipping somehow encountered a fatal 'training accident' "after submitting reports concerning a female victim who claims she was raped by four LAPD officers, including one who was part of the training during which Tipping was killed"
      I encourage everyone to read up on his case. It's clearly shield-related retaliation and the killers got away with it. Like they usually do.

    • @ahmadhadi177
      @ahmadhadi177 11 місяців тому +7

      @@Hawk7886 Thank you for the information.So it's the fault of the police officers,not criminal gangs,right?

  • @moopara7991
    @moopara7991 11 місяців тому +145

    And here I thought the most insane cop shootout show was Blindspot, where literaly every time the FBI team gets a lead they charge in with M16s, kill everyone and then just learn the next plot point through some contrivence.

    • @Martell364
      @Martell364 11 місяців тому +13

      Oh man, I'd almost forgotten about Kurt "Manly Man" Weller and his gun club 😂
      What a weird show.

    • @chaotickreg7024
      @chaotickreg7024 10 місяців тому +15

      "Kill everyone to advance" is such a video game thing. And it bothers me. So many video game battles are over petty theft and it becomes a bloodbath when they could have just let you have whatever it was you wanted.

  • @LeoVader
    @LeoVader 11 місяців тому +263

    another banger! can't be overstated how much shows like this influence public perception. the contrast with the actual stats on officer deaths is staggering.

    • @Ooffoop
      @Ooffoop 11 місяців тому

      Obligatory “hey I know you” comment
      (Now that’s done)
      I think a large problem with the police is that due to public perception now one who actually wants to do good and knows what police should actually do want nothing to do with policing (rightfully so) and likewise due to the perception the wrong kind of people come in wanting nothing to do with what police should actually be doing and being needlessly violent
      This means the only way to properly reform would mean an almost complete restaffing (also because no one currently hired would be made better by retraining)
      In such a profit motivated and frankly lack of care world of politics this option is simply never going to happen without an outright revolution
      TLDR : it’s so joever, team.

    • @thisfooreallysaid
      @thisfooreallysaid 11 місяців тому +2

      Whoa! My man, I love your vids. Cool seeing you watch skip intro too

    • @ivan-sin-compania5710
      @ivan-sin-compania5710 11 місяців тому +2

      Oh hi Leo. I guess baldies attract each other, huh?
      Jk I love your videos

    • @Objectified
      @Objectified 11 місяців тому +1

      Like the difference between public perception and actual stats on unarmed black men killed by cops.

    • @picahudsoniaunflocked5426
      @picahudsoniaunflocked5426 10 місяців тому +1

      Is this really Leo Vader?? Very cool you watch Skip.
      Oooh crossover? "Bad boys bad boys, whatcha gonna do, when you gotta think of something to collab to--"...

  • @minieyke
    @minieyke 11 місяців тому +61

    Please know that Patrick Lyoya’s murderer would not have been charged without massive protest efforts. The city govt didn’t care, and the Police Union for GRPD still supports Christopher Schurr’s action of killing Patrick.

    • @jordanmason7127
      @jordanmason7127 10 місяців тому +1

      Didn’t that guy fight the cop arresting him and get a hold of his taser, also the body cam fell off during the fight so I don’t think it was a cover up. I feel this is a bad example of bad policing

    • @lotus_dream
      @lotus_dream 9 місяців тому +7

      ​@jordanmason7127 those thing you say still doesnt mean he deserve a death sentence. We dont need perfect victims everytime we bring up police violence misconducts....

  • @AeroDOTwav
    @AeroDOTwav 11 місяців тому +42

    Should start another series after this one
    "Docaganda"
    Medical shows and how they make medicals diagnosis sound way more scary than they are and id love to see specifically house as i actually like that show

    • @belhariry
      @belhariry 11 місяців тому +8

      It's never lupus.

    • @AeroDOTwav
      @AeroDOTwav 8 місяців тому

      @@belhariry never 👀

    • @alim.9801
      @alim.9801 4 місяці тому +4

      There's so much malpractice displayed in those shows (I think I've seen many people call out Grey's Anatomy for that specifically lol), I'd love to see videos on that
      I can't remember talk/depiction of malpractice or medical mistreatment/negligence on those shows like ever tbh

  • @deefpaladin
    @deefpaladin 11 місяців тому +50

    The one thing the actors got from police training other than firearms was 'check for murderers'.

  • @StephenLeGresley
    @StephenLeGresley 11 місяців тому +360

    One of the main problems with the police is that they are there to arrest people, not to listen to them, not to determine if a crime has actually been committed. But to arrest and detain people. I've witnessed police get visibly upset when the evidence proves the person is innocent. Police should be looking for the truth, not a quota of arrests.
    The only people who belong in Prison are people who are violent on a brutal level, crime lords, murderers and sex offenders. Everything else would be much better handled through counselling and community support and rehabilitation programs.
    But Police are there to beat up and arrest anyone in their way. I am more sacred to be around cops then I am almost any other segment in society because as a person with multiple disabilities I am helpless if they decide to attack me.
    We need to scale back and re-organize policing efforts. We need to stop listening to this nonsense idea that if we do that we'll have chaos everywhere because that simply is not true and there is no data to support that belief.

    • @msjkramey
      @msjkramey 11 місяців тому +2

      Amen

    • @anirbannandi8263
      @anirbannandi8263 11 місяців тому +34

      Exactly. I'm not going to burn down my local grocery store just because there's no one to arrest me. It's not going to be the purge of we abolish the police

    • @StephenLeGresley
      @StephenLeGresley 11 місяців тому +7

      @@anirbannandi8263 No it won't and we will always need someone to go after the real criminals. But we in Canada and America impression more of our own population than China, North Korea or Russia does.

    • @anirbannandi8263
      @anirbannandi8263 11 місяців тому +34

      @@StephenLeGresley here in India, a huge number of cases are closed by arresting someone from the poor or minority population, pinning the crime on them and torturing them into making false confessions. I have a friend who was once returning from office and was arrested in a sweep up. The cops forced him to pay 2.5k to let him go, even though they knew he was innocent. In India, police can beat up anyone, anytime, without any repurcussion. Torture in police custody is more than an open secret, it's a fact of life. Hell, half the Mumbai police department was accused of moonlighting as mob hitmen for hire. Despite all of this, in Indian cinema, extrajudicial murder by the police is glorified. Badass cop shooting/beating multiple criminals to death is a popular trope in Indian cinema. Copaganda in Indian media is on a whole other level

    • @briansupermega5692
      @briansupermega5692 11 місяців тому

      This isn’t true. Cops can’t arrest people or detain people without sufficient evidence or good reason. Police are bad because they escalate things.

  • @ravendreaming3966
    @ravendreaming3966 11 місяців тому +66

    The cops also executed a protestor in Atlanta. Tortuguita was sitting down, with their hands up.

  • @siphillis
    @siphillis 11 місяців тому +96

    It's honestly super interesting watching the Cop Drama Monolith attempt to navigate around what has recently become uncertain waters. The Monolith is ultimately heading in the same direction as it always has and always will, but it can no longer sail forward without some careful steering around this topic here and that topic there.

    • @Eloraurora
      @Eloraurora 11 місяців тому +6

      This is giving me an image of an ocean liner painted like a cop car navigating around tiny obstacles to cartoon tip-toeing sound effects.

  • @Boalmighty
    @Boalmighty 11 місяців тому +99

    I’m loving this entire series. I wonder if you would consider Person of Interest? It is heavily tech focused and deals with corruption in police, surveillance, and ethics. It’s unfortunate to find out about actor Jim Caviezel’s real life ideology, but his character in the show is solid.

    • @roza2633
      @roza2633 11 місяців тому +13

      would love to see person of interest included in this series. it's my favorite show of all time but it very much is a copaganda so a breakdown like this would be great. and yeah really sucks to find out about jim caviezel's real life personality and views :|

    • @drdarkeny
      @drdarkeny 9 місяців тому +4

      @@roza2633- well, PERSON OF INTEREST (which is a great show, agreed!) is less about "cops are good" and more "We should only trust this kind of power to a limping Billionaire and his guilt-ridden ex-CIA Black Ops guy.... Oh, an a sociopathic computer hacker, her sociopathic ex-CIA Black Ops gal lover, a dirty cop...and their dog." By the end of the series, they were treating Reese as a sort of Batman-style vigilante, and there were times the show felt like a gritty off-brand superhero series.
      It's one of those "Is privatizing law enforcement the right way to go about protecting the public?", which is not strictly copaganda but it certainly adjacent to it.

  • @upsetstudios1819
    @upsetstudios1819 11 місяців тому +35

    I still can't get over my love for Nathan Fillion's other cop show "Castle" though

    • @BirgitProfessional
      @BirgitProfessional 11 місяців тому +13

      Allegedly, Fillion and the leading lady hated each other behind the scenes - I should rewatch it and see if I spot the dislike.

    • @LarshHill
      @LarshHill 11 місяців тому +8

      read up on that further. i think he recently clarified that due to the breakneck production schedule both he and Stana Katic were chronically fatigued and unenthusiastic, not with each other per se

    • @drdarkeny
      @drdarkeny 11 місяців тому +4

      I know, I watched most of CASTLE's run! Although it was an incredibly unrealistic look at police procedure, it succeeded as a "eccentric detective" series like MURDER, SHE WROTE or the early seasons of LAW & ORDER: CRIMINAL INTENT, where Goren was more like Nero Wolfe than an actual police detective.

    • @upsetstudios1819
      @upsetstudios1819 11 місяців тому +4

      @@BirgitProfessional It sucks that the production was treating them bad and overworking them, but I still love their relationship. Castle's confession scenes are the BEST

    • @slashandbones13
      @slashandbones13 11 місяців тому +4

      That's a lot like Lucifer where policing are more of a framing device than anything else.

  • @kesterite
    @kesterite 10 місяців тому +17

    I'm from that part of Michigan. We all remember Patrick Lyoya's name and his family deserving the utmost respect. It means a lot to hear him mentioned. People are lost and mourned every day and there was no reason for another to be lost as well. This is.. weirdly genuine for a UA-cam comment from someone under 40, but it just means a lot to know that his loss didn't fall on deaf ears.

  • @matthewmoran1866
    @matthewmoran1866 10 місяців тому +40

    I saw someone a few years ago suggest that turning off a Body Cam should carry an automatic charge of Destroying Evidence, obviously this doesn't actually solve all the problems but it does at least give Body Cam enforcement some teeth.

  • @MarshallRyanMaresca
    @MarshallRyanMaresca 11 місяців тому +38

    I just watched this whole series, and what I found most insidious was the use of Wesley and James-- two characters who were both introduced to be voices explicitly challenging policing and police practices, who then BOTH became so turned around on that challenge that they BOTH MARRY COPS.

    • @virz4432
      @virz4432 7 місяців тому +5

      The real problem is NOT them "marrying cops" because it could bring interesting conflicts to complement with another valid perspective, the real problem is that they were stripped of what made them an interesting contrast to their cop spouses, and they've been nothing but filler since then, it's a total shame because I really thought the show was going THERE but no.

  • @NotreDanish
    @NotreDanish 11 місяців тому +41

    This series has really helped me put my feelings about police into words. Because this is how I’ve felt for most of my life, and I only just now have the words to explain it to others.

  • @NiccFurious
    @NiccFurious 11 місяців тому +123

    🚨WE MISSED YOU DADDY 🚨

  • @Retlaw32
    @Retlaw32 11 місяців тому +10

    When copaganda makes the criminal minds episode the world will start healing

  • @tophatturtle6452
    @tophatturtle6452 11 місяців тому +131

    My stepdad watches this show and one time i mentioned not liking copaganda and he was like “no this one is super progressive, it’s completely fine.” I’ve also seen this clip where a bunch of gen z strawmen automatically hate him for being a cop (as a gen z who took a community college speech class with a retired cop who even did a poorly informed speech on traffic stops, this definitely doesn’t happen lol). I’ve definitely been super excited for this one

    • @briansupermega5692
      @briansupermega5692 11 місяців тому +2

      What ar gen z strawmen

    • @MulberryDays
      @MulberryDays 11 місяців тому +37

      @@briansupermega5692 - a straw man is a kind of argument where someone builds up a fake or disingenuous scenario to respond to. sometimes using false or misinterpreted information to "debunk" or, like in this example, presenting a stereotype and then arguing against the stereotype as though it's accurately representing reality.
      this has the benefit of controlling the entire narrative of what is happening - taking the strawman (the falsehood or stereotype or misinformation) as granted and then reacting to that is a good way to throw people off or distract them with argument over your reaction *rather than* your initial assumption or misinformation.
      often it isn't even entirely conscious or intentional - plenty of people believe their own straw men, the stereotypes they've built up in their minds as reality and then devote so much energy to sparring with. which makes an anyway frustrating situation even more difficult to untangle and have a real conversation about.

    • @briansupermega5692
      @briansupermega5692 11 місяців тому +2

      @@MulberryDays can you give an example of this happening in these shows?

    • @MulberryDays
      @MulberryDays 11 місяців тому +30

      i cannot tell whether you're just young, or whether you're intentionally sealioning. either way the OP here already gave one example and....oh yeah it's a fundamental part of what Skip's entire copaganda series is about. you are welcome to watch it as many times as you like.

    • @briansupermega5692
      @briansupermega5692 11 місяців тому +3

      @@MulberryDays bro all I asked is for a single example. After your 3 long paragraph essay and now you upset.

  • @caiasmith1341
    @caiasmith1341 11 місяців тому +90

    Great video! Have you considered doing Psych? I feel like it lands in a very interesting space in terms of its tone and beliefs while still glorifying the police side characters.

    • @literaterose6731
      @literaterose6731 11 місяців тому +26

      I was just thinking this! (Recent rewatch 😁) After not seeing it for a long time, I’d forgotten how appalling Lassiter’s behavior and views are, and how jarring that is juxtaposed with the way the audience is supposed to feel sympathetic and even warmly towards him (complicated, of course, by Timothy Omundson’s charm and comedic timing, which are spot on). I’d love to see a Copaganda deconstruction of Psych, maybe side-by-side with The Mentalist-similar setups, similar charismatic main characters, one comedy and one drama.

    • @suzannewdowik
      @suzannewdowik 11 місяців тому +22

      Psych is a perfect show for this copaganda series! I personally LOVE Psych, but it's absolutely still copaganda in ways that differ from some of these other shows

    • @chewviewleonardo6511
      @chewviewleonardo6511 11 місяців тому +3

      Psych changes perspective about police stations. Slightly even if Shawn is the son of an officer. That would be great to introduce for this Copaganda Series. The show uses the Psych agency: Shawn and Gus as incompetent 'detectives'. When the duo interrupts investigations, they criticize the droll procedure of the cases. While it certainly makes cops be shown in a good light, it does come with a good ol' cringe moment. The in-show Media Release slightly exposes flaws in the police reportings. I recommend seeing Dexter and their Press Releases. Those are better at expressing the behind the scene drama.
      Most of the time, the show remained static despite some story arcs. Show creators kept to the premise to make riffs, not commentary. They were just getting on the 2000s and 10s TV Police trend. Although I would have preferred more absolute growth for the characters. Most of the cast are really chill and are active on other projects. Anyways, It was a good laugh when it was on.

  • @thejudgmentalcat
    @thejudgmentalcat 11 місяців тому +40

    Tbh, I worked in a courthouse and attorneys sometimes switch "sides" (indigent lawyer pay not good, experience needed, etc.)...as batsh*t as this show is, the lawyer arc is probably the most realistic

  • @LadyTylerBioRodriguez
    @LadyTylerBioRodriguez 11 місяців тому +26

    I have played the Copaganda playlist several times while video game grinding. Its one of the best playlists on UA-cam I'm so glad another episode is out.

  • @Sidecutter
    @Sidecutter 10 місяців тому +15

    So I notice we didn't touch on the fact that it appears he spent three years as a rookie...and then went almost IMMEDIATELY into training other cops. Like...does that not stand out as absolutely INSANE, or is that actually realistic and I just don't know it?

    • @Darkpara1
      @Darkpara1 10 місяців тому +6

      I don't think each season is meant to be a year. But yeah, he went straight into being a training officer rather than regular patrol officer due to some in universe reward for his good work.

    • @firewolfandrewb
      @firewolfandrewb 10 місяців тому +5

      I'm assuming they just wanted to keep the title relevant and didn't think about it much past that.

    • @vanessa_lmao8219
      @vanessa_lmao8219 10 місяців тому +1

      I think the Rookie period was 1 year (in the UK its 2) and after that you are on patrol and you are allowed to become a training officer I think after a year (in the UK) but ofc the Rookie is a TV show so Nolan had to pass an exam (so I'm guessing that he stayed 1 year on patrol) and was given a golden ticket to make sure that he could become a T.O.

    • @awhryan
      @awhryan 6 місяців тому

      He had to take an exam, and then right as he was about to take the final exam to be a training officer, the union president who hated him forced him to take a case in the middle of nowhere where he wouldn't be able to complete it. While there, he helped take down a gang, nearly died, and was given a "golden ticket", which essentially allowed him to pick any position he wanted where he would be trained without having to wait another 2 years for the exams to open up again.

  • @josephsmith2682
    @josephsmith2682 11 місяців тому +34

    Saw on Nebula. Great work! I've seen a few episodes of the early Rookie seasons. I'm not sure why I didn't pick up on Axon as a sponsor. Their logo is plastered all over the screen for like 25% of the show.

  • @_xolga
    @_xolga 10 місяців тому +11

    i love how they acknowledge Stanton is racist and negligent but apparently not enough to get fired

    • @virz4432
      @virz4432 7 місяців тому +3

      The worst case is not Stanton. At least he WAS somehow punished. Tim Bradford is just like Stanton since the pilot episode and he NEVER faced/faces ANY consequences because he's THE "best" one. And he's a MAIN character.

  • @JacobTCannon
    @JacobTCannon 11 місяців тому +49

    I work in tv and film in Atlanta and Shadowbox Studios (formerly Blackhall Studios) having a hand in Cop City has been a real uncomfortable reminder of the ties that our industry down here in Y'allywood has to the police-industrial complex.

    • @thepubknight6144
      @thepubknight6144 11 місяців тому

      And people swore Hollywood is liberal
      Nothing about Hollywood is woke , progressive or liberal
      Especially the racist "test "

    • @MrPiccoloku
      @MrPiccoloku 10 місяців тому +2

      "Y'lallywood" lel

  • @PhotonBeast
    @PhotonBeast 11 місяців тому +59

    I wonder if the excessive display of really violent shootouts is a response (intentional or not, conscious or not) to the epidemic of mass shootings. Since in the 'idealised' version of the show, good guy with gun will beat bad guy with gun. But if so... then it also means that in the idealised world the show wants to show, the mass shootings and gun violence is somehow even worse. That they would rather have these kinds of violent guilt free shoot outs versus, I dunno, communal safety.

    • @Toberumono
      @Toberumono 11 місяців тому +14

      I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a bit of fear tactics woven in there, but I’d bet that it’s actually a response to the (at this point, extremely reasonable) proposal that cops shouldn’t get guns.

    • @chongwillson972
      @chongwillson972 4 місяці тому

      @@Toberumono
      "proposal that cops shouldn’t get guns"
      how would that work?
      wouldn't that increase gun related violence since they know cops won't have guns?

    • @Toberumono
      @Toberumono 4 місяці тому +1

      ​@illson972On a practical level, this is what I was referring to by "fear tactics". The idea that cops are constantly under threat is (broadly speaking) nonsense. Are there particular *areas* in which cops are more likely to be in danger? Yes. And, assuming that their training can be improved to the point where having a gun would increase their safety (accuracy records for cops are at Storm Trooper levels, which is about on par with the average civilian), I would be fine with those cops having guns (see below for caveats).
      However, cop B doing "legit" speeding tickets on the edge of a mostly black neighborhood doesn't need a gun (if that example sounds super specific, I'd encourage you to look up how police fund their departments and the harms of "ticket quotas").
      On a societal level, shooting a cop is a bad idea because of their authority, not because of their weaponry. As a result, removing their guns (which are not their authority) is unlikely to increase ambient gun crime. In other words, a crazy psycho is going to shoot regardless of whether they're armed or not, so using such a person as an excuse is nonsensical.
      On an implementation level, there are some problems. The first is that police departments have consistently demonstrated that they cannot under any circumstances be trusted to self-regulate. My original solution to this was to simply restrict cops to tasers because they're generally non-lethal. And then I saw what cops do when given tasers, so those are out (If you want to look up somebody having a some sort non-violent mental health episode getting tased in the back 12 times while not resisting, you can. The footage is disturbing, though, and, naturally, the cops that did it weren't punished). I then thought, "well, we can surely trust them to use their hands", and then I saw the holds that cops were throwing around for non-violent offenders. Those are *extremely* lethal, but not because of intent, but because using them successfully entails flipping a coin to see whether you knocked somebody out or killed them. And, I should be clear, none of the cases I'm referring to have involved the cops being in danger in any way shape or form.
      I've tried for a while to figure out how to implement giving cops access to firearms in a way that they won't immediately abuse, and the issue I run into is one of practicality. I think that the program would have to be that every cop has a unique gun, they must have their body camera on continuously from *before* they enter an extremely over-secured room in which guns are kept until *after* they leave the room again after putting the gun back. If, at any point, the body camera shuts off for *any* reason (this includes faults in the system), they're fired on the spot. In order to reduce the likelihood of technical faults (and to get two stories) they'd always have a partner. In the event that they need to so much as DRAW their weapon, they will have to file the time it happened, why they felt like they had to draw their weapon (in detail. "The car looked a bit sketch" does NOT count unless they're in an area that is known to be dangerous), AND the incident must be publicly reported, with the body cam footage made available with faces blurred out within 24 hours. The department will have to pay a suitable fine for every hour over that limit (and by fine, I mean their budget gets reduced by that amount next year). If they FIRE their weapon, they will have to do the same, but the incident must be reported publicly and with body camera footage available (with faces blurred) within 2 hours of the cop returning to base (the same fines apply). If the footage isn't available, the cop and their partner will be fired. If more than 10% of the cops in a precinct get fired for one of the above reasons within a year, the entire place gets replaced. Furthermore, in the event that cops are involved in any sort of action, they will be interviewed immediately upon returning to base (if an interviewer isn't available, they and their partner will be required to *separately* dictate their description of events into an audio recorder). If they stop for anything on the way, they are fired. The preceding restrictions on timing are, of course, subject to reasonable modification due to injuries, but they will require a note from a doctor. If all of those restrictions are put in place, I'd consider allowing cops access to firearms.
      Alternatively, I'd accept cops wearing body cams (with the footage made available upon request) so long as they are disallowed from claiming Qualified Immunity . Their choice.
      The above set of restrictions addresses an *extremely* abbreviated list of ways that cops have tried to hide abuse of their power when it comes to firearms. The punishments are harsh because being polite has failed spectacularly. Assuming that police training is actually reformed (from the descriptions of training that officers currently undergo, I'd call it more, "deliberate infliction of extreme PTSD" than training, but what do I know?), none of those requirements seem likely to be particularly stringent. Blurring faces isn't exactly rocket science (I made it on-request for cases in which they don't fire their gun in order to reduce load), and cops have to write up all the reports I'm referencing anyway. The time restrictions are strict, yes, but, again, it's not unreasonable to require somebody who is executing a government operation to keep a record of what they did.

    • @PhotonBeast
      @PhotonBeast 4 місяці тому +1

      @@Toberumono I would also add that its a many prong solution. Reducing thr availability of guns/vastly improving gun safety laws is an addition part. Most people will pause or change mind if they take 15 minutes before getting a gun out - its like taking 15 minutes before responding to an internet troll. Those that don't , like you said, arent thinking of what the response will be only ejat they eant to achieve. And in many cases, that may very well be outside the realm of normal cop. I wouldnt expect a civil officer or normal cop to be taking on organized crime for instance or a hostage negotiation. Those are specialized circumstances.

  • @sadei-xy5ov
    @sadei-xy5ov 10 місяців тому +9

    Would love a copaganda episode about The Walking Dead. Although it definitely isn't a cop show it would be really interesting to look at why someone like Shane would become a cop and how Rick previously being a cop affects the show.

    • @virz4432
      @virz4432 7 місяців тому +2

      TWD is a modern cowboys vs zombies XD

  • @dustypartition
    @dustypartition 11 місяців тому +6

    I saw the "arrest me but make it sexy" clip a while ago,
    I've had it stuck in my head ever since.

  • @blueoutrun
    @blueoutrun 10 місяців тому +11

    SkipIntro: It's worse than Blue Bloods.
    Me: What?! No way.
    SkipIntro: It's directly a big commercial for corporations that make their profits off of murdering minorities and mass incarceration.
    Me: 😰 It's worse than Blue Bloods.
    My parasocial perception of Nathan Fillion is shattered. I am instead armed with direct examples of cops working for capital.
    I hope this series never ends. You're doing the lord's work, Skip.

  • @tenaniousdome
    @tenaniousdome 11 місяців тому +44

    I know I don't apply critical thinking when I am watching The Rookie, so for months now I've been waiting for you to do an analysis on this show... And hot-damm! there is so much that I missed.
    The underlining tone of cops knowing what is right or wrong AND the degradation of characters like Wesley and James... wow I don't even remember them being on the opposite/other side of the cops. 😭
    Like, 8-9 months of break between each seasons make you forget what their personality trait is usually like.

  • @birthdayfruitecake8158
    @birthdayfruitecake8158 11 місяців тому +18

    It also kind of sucks that a lot of newspapers and other sources are likely, owned by a large parent/grandparent company, but I'll still consider looking through it all.

  • @sleepingbee8997
    @sleepingbee8997 10 місяців тому +21

    26:25 The key phrase there is "The results we intend." The cops aren't looking for accurate and unbiased responses, they're looking for any scraps of "probable cause" that let them assert their authority. Since those are the intentions, the results are absolutely perfect.

  • @peggy7744
    @peggy7744 11 місяців тому +20

    I'd love to see you do a video about Columbo, in the context of where cop shows meet the traditional detective genre.
    Columbo is an interesting one because he goes against a lot of the archetypes in these cop shows, for example there are a load of instances of him skirting LAPD procedure but it's stuff like not filling his firing range time because he hates guns.
    He's generally presented as a man of the people, using what resources are available to him (mostly pestering) to solve murders that very rich people have committed. There's also an episode where a high ranking police officer did the murder, and Columbo effectively puts his job in jeopardy to get him. All of this stuff combines to make Columbo look sort of like the one good apple in a sea of medicority if not outright incompetence.
    However, it also serves to reassure us about the good intentions and efficacy of the police and it was made in the 70s at first so I'm 100% sure there'll be some problems in there.

    • @Nocturnalux
      @Nocturnalux 11 місяців тому +7

      Very interesting points. Columb is close in spirit to the “cozy mystery” genre and cops are often absolutely incompetent there, almost by default as it is up to the amateur sleuth to solve everything.
      Columbo is an actual detective but in spirit he does seem closer to an amateur in many ways. He even presents himself in a highly unassuming manner- although that is part of the strategy, in order to get people to lower their guard around him- going out of his way not to bandy his authority around.

  • @dearyvettetn4489
    @dearyvettetn4489 11 місяців тому +37

    I wonder if that arrest/conviction competition is a real thing among cops? 🤔 We were pulled over in my home state by a state police officer on the interstate trying to changing lanes to get out of his way, thinking he was going after someone near us doing over 80. He instead pulled us, (hubby and I) over and accuse us of doing that speed until my husband politely pushed back on it. The cop lightened up and changed his story on that, and when he saw that we were actually locals in a rental car with out of state plates. I’m guessing that ticketed out of towners would be an unchallenged slam dunk in traffic court. Meanwhile the person doing the actual speeding was long gone down the highway.
    Our tax dollars at work 🤡 but let just reward them with more toys and a big playground in Atlanta to fine tune and amp up the harassment.

    • @I.____.....__...__
      @I.____.....__...__ 11 місяців тому

      Yup. Cops LOVE to ticket out-of-towners becasue they know that it's too much of a hassle and too expensive for them to have to hang around for days or weeks, or to come back weeks or months later to go to court to fight the ticket, so they just bend over and pay it. That's why they intentionally target any foreign plates with fake traffic-stops. 😠

    • @Hawk7886
      @Hawk7886 11 місяців тому +6

      in my state the cops are the worst speeders on the road. They'll fly through on-ramps, dive across multiple lanes until they're all the way left, then ride bumpers to get people to change lanes out of their way, all while doing 5mph+ than the fastest traffic around.

    • @IsaRican810
      @IsaRican810 10 місяців тому

      Cops definitely target out of state plates or rentals because they know people won’t challenge or be able to challenge if they wanted to. Cops in the town where I grew up would specifically mark school events like back to school nights and concerts on their calendars as good days to give out lots of parking tickets. Punishing parents for being invested in their children’s schooling while being the same kinds of people to blame crime on “uninvolved parents”. 😒

    • @mvprime8
      @mvprime8 6 місяців тому

      They don't need competitions for it, it's official policy they need to fill certain quotas of arrests and tickets, and hey if you do more than your quota you're a rockstar. Also the targets of those quotas matter, if they're targeting white people instead of minorities they'll get a talking to.

  • @Scriven42
    @Scriven42 11 місяців тому +16

    "I take full accountability...... unlike the police." 💀 Call 911, Skip killed me..... oh wait....

  • @heavenly2k
    @heavenly2k 11 місяців тому +13

    Why does every actor in this show deliver their lines with the same cadence

  • @bbrbbr-on2gd
    @bbrbbr-on2gd 11 місяців тому +27

    Love these Copaganda videos. You ever think of doing one for the Military in Hollywood? Specifically just how intertwined with different projects its been.

    • @mysteriiis
      @mysteriiis 11 місяців тому +3

      How covers that in the superhero, and Top Gun: Maverick episodes.

  • @jagermanjensen1
    @jagermanjensen1 10 місяців тому +5

    I still can’t believe that documentary quality videos like yours exist for FREE, on the internet. Thank you, great video

  • @gregvs.theworld451
    @gregvs.theworld451 11 місяців тому +13

    I don't know why Skip emphasized all the shootouts with automatic weapons in The Rookie, that's pretty standard fair in LA. Once you sign up for the Gangs™ loyalty program and pay your dues, they ship you your first automatic weapon for crime doing free. Stay in a gang and pay your dues for six months and you're automatically signed up for 1 replacement should your automatic weapon get lost or damaged, with another replacement available every subsequent six months. Of course the dues go into collecting ammo reups monthly, allowing for frequent usage of your automatic for optimal crime doing.

    • @caffetiel
      @caffetiel 10 місяців тому

      I don't think Skip is gun people and might not even know to think about it?

  • @TheMajorStranger
    @TheMajorStranger 11 місяців тому +18

    This show rest on the unending well of charisma that is Nathan Filion. I love the guy!

    • @alim.9801
      @alim.9801 4 місяці тому

      That and the undeniable attractiveness of the cast 😂

  • @GrainneMhaol
    @GrainneMhaol 11 місяців тому +10

    The only thing I know about this show is the long-touted relationship between Tim and Lucy. I watched some clips and my god, it's so messed up. Not only have they no chemistry, but their dynamic is incredibly unprofessional. He's her superior officer and trainer, not to mention he's outright abusive to her at times.

    • @Halbmond
      @Halbmond 11 місяців тому +2

      Any romantic feelings between them really only start once she’s become a full-grown officer and more of a colleague. He’s not doing any more Tim tests at this point, either. I think they have chemistry but yeah, the training is really questionable imo

    • @virz4432
      @virz4432 7 місяців тому +1

      ​​​​​​@@Halbmond Oh, no, don't justify that toxicity. That's NOT real love. That's just romanticed(?) Stockholm syndrome. If Tim's character had been fixed before dating Lucy then it could make some sense. But he wasn't. The show downplayed everything wrong about him and made him look like a victim just because of his daddy issues and his unprofessional abusive behaviours are always shamelessly justified with the excuse of "discipline". Lucy was abused and badly influenced. And Tim never faced any consequences. I thought The Rookie would do better than that crap but no and there you have the mentally ill "Chenford" shippers who see that shady relationship as the sweetest/cutest/most "badass" (I don't even understand how/why that dumb word is supposed to be positive). Disappointing.

  • @Gunbudder
    @Gunbudder 9 місяців тому +5

    my favorite statistic is that tree will kill more lumberjacks than criminals will kill cops. by a huge amount. if i remember it right, you are 25 times more likely to be killed by a tree as a lumberjack compared to being killed as a cop. and the most heinous killer of all? The Bering Sea. Just fishing in the Bering Sea is BY FAR the most deadly and dangerous job, probably in the world. even the smallest mistake could kill yourself or someone else in an instant

  • @JaceAce22
    @JaceAce22 10 місяців тому +9

    I really love how often people point out how wrong these shows of public servicemen, of both cops, doctors and firemen, and how they make huge mistakes in depicting procedures, scenarios and terms that the writers absolutely have no experience in.

    • @virz4432
      @virz4432 7 місяців тому

      It's just a FICTIONAL show. That's why. 🤷‍♀️
      It's NOT a docummentary. It's fantasy. 🙄🤦‍♀️

  • @queenwednesdayart
    @queenwednesdayart 11 місяців тому +33

    I've been waiting for you to talk about this show for a long time. I used to watch it when I was a teenager and most of what I watched was some kind of cop-adjacent drama. I stopped watching it after the episode when Jackson got beat up, it was so triggering. Seeing it now with my adult Anarchist lens, it really is one of the worst things I could've subjected myself to.

    • @Tetragrammaton22
      @Tetragrammaton22 11 місяців тому +13

      When you were a teenager? The show started in 2018 and you're making it sound like a bygone era.

    • @queenwednesdayart
      @queenwednesdayart 11 місяців тому

      @@Tetragrammaton22 I was 17 in 2018.

  • @MenchuRamosGallardo
    @MenchuRamosGallardo 11 місяців тому +27

    this video is 100% awesome, seriously, don't get demoralized by censorship this is incredible work bro.

  • @tygates4301
    @tygates4301 11 місяців тому +5

    You’re telling me this guy used to captain a smuggling ship in space and now he’s working for the lapd?? How the mighty fall

    • @youmukonpaku3168
      @youmukonpaku3168 3 місяці тому

      to be fair, he was basically also a Confederate veteran [in space!] in that show, so really the LAPD is a perfect fit.

  • @wilkinscoffee4228
    @wilkinscoffee4228 11 місяців тому +22

    Fun fact: it takes less time to become a cop in the US than a barber

    • @xp8969
      @xp8969 11 місяців тому +3

      To be fair cutting hair is dangerous
      They let barbers use scissors 😮😢😮

  • @ComradeMarlow
    @ComradeMarlow 11 місяців тому +7

    Yoooo, I noticed how omnipresent Axon was in so many shots, was wondering if their sponsorship would come up

  • @OneImmortalStudios
    @OneImmortalStudios 11 місяців тому +17

    I would like to see an episode analysing UK shows, such as The Bill, or Taggart.

    • @Scuzzlebutt142
      @Scuzzlebutt142 11 місяців тому +6

      Yep, it would be good to see how the copaganda show changes depending on country, comparing to The Bill, or Blue Heelers in Australia.

    • @I.____.....__...__
      @I.____.....__...__ 11 місяців тому

      What about _Luther_ ? The movie was weird, they actually put him in prison for his crimes (well, the one he was framed for). WHAAAAA-‽‽‽ 😲

  • @DouxBrume
    @DouxBrume 11 місяців тому +14

    Wasn’t expecting to have my last named called racist today but here we are 🤣

    • @thag_simmons
      @thag_simmons 11 місяців тому

      "Paging Dr. Racist, are you there? Stopbeing Racist, do you read?"

  • @masondeross
    @masondeross 11 місяців тому +13

    The way to pass Tim's test was to stand up to him, and refuse to translate his racism, nether to translate it accurately nor to attempt to surreptitiously change it the way she decided to. I hate the show. I'm just saying based on your presentation of the test, that was the solution.

    • @virz4432
      @virz4432 7 місяців тому +2

      But he terrorized innocent civilians for that. And for someone who claims to "hate the show" you sound just like the rabid fans defending all crap the Bradford character does. The guy has NO excuse. Too bad the show justifies him.

  • @YOSSARIAN313
    @YOSSARIAN313 11 місяців тому +5

    Im still waiting on a law and order svu copaganda episode since its one of the most damaging cop shows

    • @virz4432
      @virz4432 7 місяців тому +1

      And Chicago PD. Super problematic.

  • @Soguwe
    @Soguwe 11 місяців тому +21

    I like The Rookie
    Bad show, but Nathan Fillion is sexy enough to hold it up with just a look and a smile

  • @sheep2826
    @sheep2826 10 місяців тому +14

    I really appreciate this video. I’ve been a fan of Nathan Fillion since Castle, and started watching the rookie back when it came out and have kept up with it sense. I never took it too seriously, for me it’s just been a fun show with characters I feel invested in. I’m skeptical enough to not let the show influence my belief or perspectives on social issues, but this video helped me realize the way that likely isn’t true for many people. You make good points on how the show’s messaging can be problematic, and it made me realize how much I’d ignored that because of my enjoyment of the show otherwise.

  • @isocuda
    @isocuda 11 місяців тому +6

    The two shows I recommend to people who watch The Rookie, Blue Bad,SVU, etc:
    Generation Kill & Southland, because they both glorify things and also highlight the flaws of humans attempting to do absurd things like policing/invading.
    Note: Both shows had direct involvement of people from their respective fields AND were cumulation of stories across said field.
    My favorite quote is from the Chief for Westwood PD: "If you think you're going to be John Wayne with a badge and gun chasing criminals, there's the door. 99% of this job paperwork and dealing with good people having a bad day."

  • @heavenly2k
    @heavenly2k 11 місяців тому +7

    This content is really thoughtful and entertaining at the same time. Creators like you are an absolute blessing.

  • @JordanSullivanadventures
    @JordanSullivanadventures 11 місяців тому +10

    So the happy ending to the racist-cop-definitely-a-bad-dude episode is that he...gets to keep doing the same job in a different part of town?

    • @Qwerty-xi2zs
      @Qwerty-xi2zs 11 місяців тому +5

      It's definitely weird, they straight up say that the system is completely broken and if he's punished by being fired he can easily find another job as a cop elsewhere and the best they can do is make him a pariah at his new precinct, and then that's how it ends. That's not a conclusion, they acknowledge the system is broken and then continue to glorify it everywhere else. It made no sense to me when I watched it but hey, at least it's more realistic than the rest of the show.

  • @YourFavoriteVampireSuccubus
    @YourFavoriteVampireSuccubus 10 місяців тому +7

    I only watch the show for Nathan, he deserves the praise for going above and beyond for something so mid

  • @merbst
    @merbst 11 місяців тому +4

    I once lived in the city of Los Angeles, but after a failure of Los Angeles emergency response to respond to a life threatening emergency, I moved to Los Angeles county.
    Then after the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department threatened to kill me, for not abiding by the whims of a LASD Gang, I moved the fuck out of LASD County, and I am never entering that county again.

  • @daverobson3084
    @daverobson3084 11 місяців тому +6

    Anyone remember the episode where Nolan arrested a guy for mildly defending himself from the two women who were assaulting him ? After Nolan witnessed them assaulting him.

  • @duncmanxxx
    @duncmanxxx 9 місяців тому +3

    10:09 Jesus, my wife is about to start cosmetology school and she's going to have to log 1600 hours to graduate

  • @Thebotulism
    @Thebotulism 11 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for this, I started watching this about a month ago and pondered. "Was there a copaganda video about The Rookie", sadly their wasn't until Now! I knew it was copaganda from the first episode.

  • @junoestro
    @junoestro 11 місяців тому +6

    half-life metal hit sounds 6:17

  • @0hn0haha
    @0hn0haha 10 місяців тому +3

    The show is not about John Nolan after like, season 1. Its all about Chenford

  • @Somethingbloody
    @Somethingbloody 8 місяців тому +2

    I remember shorts from this show being pushed hard by the algo a couple of years ago, and there was something about it that gave me the same feeling as seeing loaned or licensed military hardware with real world brand names and military designations in some war movies and videogames. It just has that vibe of a production materially supported by their subject in exchange for consultation and script approval.

  • @Dude_Abides
    @Dude_Abides 11 місяців тому +5

    Now im curious... Are you going to cover 21 Jump Street?

  • @danielpaez1724
    @danielpaez1724 11 місяців тому +6

    Thanks for covering cop city. The battle over cop city is incredibly important. Thank you for including it in your video!❤❤

  • @natgrafton5138
    @natgrafton5138 11 місяців тому +5

    You're gonna blow my phone speakers with that violence section my god 😂

  • @teekaa2520
    @teekaa2520 11 місяців тому +1

    The glass breaky thingy is called a center punch. It's standard equipment for metal work shops and increases the precision of drilling.

  • @TheMooshy11
    @TheMooshy11 11 місяців тому +4

    you should cover chicago pd (the show) lol that show’s horrific

  • @lyddig
    @lyddig 11 місяців тому +7

    i’d be interested to hear you talk about 9-1-1 on fox. the first episode shows the firehouse having a ‘blue lives matter’ flag; angela basset’s character is a police sergeant, and when her daughter is reckoning with this, the show comes to the conclusion the daughter was being ridiculous because ‘not all cops.’ that daughter goes on to be a 911 dispatcher. lol

  • @NotSoMax
    @NotSoMax 11 місяців тому +5

    I feel like an interesting angle to look at copaganda now would be non-cop cop shows, ie shows that focus on an outside consultant or a CI like: psych, white collar, the mentalist, bones, castle, etc. some range from the police are inept and useless without our hero assisting them to, cops can do no wrong, to this makes me wanna do crime.

  • @ZeroTsar
    @ZeroTsar 11 місяців тому +3

    the rookie has some funny bits in it. The open gags are under rated

    • @virz4432
      @virz4432 7 місяців тому

      The Rookie is often very funny, but sometimes the humour is misplaced. They should fix that.

  • @johnchristopher5733
    @johnchristopher5733 11 місяців тому +7

    Lack of training is part of their training.

  • @Lo33y_
    @Lo33y_ 11 місяців тому +5

    Oh god the rookie clips that I've been recommended are just the most wtf

  • @butterflymage5623
    @butterflymage5623 10 місяців тому +4

    The gun fights and all the bad guys having automatic rifles on this show always made me laugh. For one they’re illegal and as such very hard to get you’re hands on, the only way to legally get them is to get a license that’s almost impossible to get yet alone afford. The other reason it’s hilarious is because it’s in California, the amount of gun control there (I lived there) makes it so if they did get automatic weapons the capacity of magazines there would make you reload every 5 seconds. Plus you can’t buy a rifle there without getting one that was specifically made so that when you reload you have to break down the rifle itself in order to remove the magazine.
    It’s just humorous.

  • @uncle-keg
    @uncle-keg 11 місяців тому +3

    Your videos are so well researched, great job!

  • @JellicleCat09
    @JellicleCat09 10 місяців тому +3

    I have literally never even HEARD of this show, and you're telling me it's one of the most popular shows on television??
    Am I so out of touch? No, it's the boomers who are wrong.