Aging Perfume - Maturing and Maceration (Why and How Long)
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- Опубліковано 3 кві 2021
- For today's lesson I'm going to answer a few questions about maturation and maceration in this in depth, simplified Perfumery tutorial.
Aging your blend is a timely but crucial component of product development.
With this guide, you'll be able to avoid the possibility of early oxidation while these molecules create bonds with eachother on a molecular scale.
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I hate the fact that you have to wait so long lol-- I want to make / wear it NOW lol
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ENGINEER SPOTTED! Only a science student can explain the way you did 🫂
Self Taught 😌
Ahh you did it! You're awesome as always and keep up the great work.
Of course! Glad you enjoyed the video 🙂
Good morning, enjoyed learning about this subject, be SAFE and BLESSED
I'm glad you enjoyed the video! And you as well Stuart 🙌🏼
Awesome 🙏🙏🙏 your videos are like a perfumery courses for beginners... Thank you so much😊😊😊 love, from India 😊🙏
You're very welcome! I'm trying my best to shed a little light on this amazing art and skill :)
Thanks for the informative video. Keep it up 👍🏽
Thanks for the support! Will do 👌🏼
THANKYOU. Great info
You're very welcome!
Yes well explained, good work
Thank you! Lots of research ⚙️
The video that i needed... ohh yes!!
Glad to hear that!
Amazing video!
Please, I just bought a new perfume, what will make to it if I put in the fridge and take out, repeating this process for 10 to 20 days?
Thanks!
Is it necessary to add carrier oil to the fragrance oil?if so what is the best carrier oil to use and how many ml should I use..thanks so much
Will keeping a fragrance in its original retail box hamper the process or slow it down even further? I have a perfume that i blind bought and i absolutely did not like it, it as way too powdery for me and the other notes just weren't noticeable to my nose. I had it for a year and i would always spray it once and put it back in its box just to see if i still didn't like it. I then decided to take it out of its box and keep it outside in my room to use as some sort of scent for my linens and sheets. After just a couple of weeks to my surprise one day, i notice that the scent has changed completely! Now i DO smell all the other notes and i really like it. I just noticed this yesterday and I've been spraying the scent on my ever since just to make sure I'm not hallucinating because its been so long I've had this fragrance and only now when its out of its box has it finally changed.
Thank you for your video. Please do an indept video about Schiff base
Once I experiment more with various Schiff's Base blends I'll create an in-depth video on the process!
Hello,
Please, which are the right temperatures for maturation and maceration?
Thank you
does the steel (metal can) can be used for aging the perfume after adding ethanol
Big help, as I have started purchasing from DUA. all of their fragrances are sent straight after hand mixture. They are entering the client's hand in a very infantile stage. Maceration is a necessity. This gave me all I needed.
Glad I could help! If you have any content suggestions you'd like to see in the future, check out my website and send me an email.
@@Whiffly thanks for the reply. Not sure if you actually create fragrances yourself, and I k ow the whole process is practically impossible to show, but it would be amazing to see you strain and vial the final product. I know for an fact, a ton of fragrance fans would really enjoy that. Another great idea would be just mentioning your favorite notes, and what time of year/ environment they remind you of. But hey, what do I know, lol?
That's a great idea! I will definitely create something like this in the near future. I'll have to create a recipe specifically for this, so why not record bits of the whole process including recipe development! 👌🏼 I do want to cover a few more things like allergenic ingredients and Terpene compounds before that though. Lots of plans in the works ⚙️ One more thing; You and many others have plenty of useful information/questions. We're the MF community all trying to reach the same goal. Understanding the art of perfumery ✌🏼
I need this. My cdnim edt is weak. Its a July 2023 batch and needs more time to macerate
Hi,
I just made a dylan blue clone for myself yesterday but currently only the top notes are prominent, will aging help bring up the middle and base notes too ? I mean the perfume is fading away too soon after the top notes fade away..
That's a tough one that you'll only be able to know for sure through trial and error. Aging might help but, you may also want to try reducing the concentration of top notes you have in your blend alongside aging your product long enough. This seems like a balance issue if you want your mid/base notes to shine more. Hope this helps!
Question: If making a scent with a lot of naturals but most of them are already pre-diluted, is there any point in going forward with the maturation stage or can you just add the additional alcohol or other carrier agent to get it to your desired concentration level and then move directly into the maceration stage? For example, I have two fragrances that I've finished with the initial blending process. One is at 27.5% concentration because I was using certain varieties of vanilla absolute, as well as tobacco absolute, benzoin and tonka bean and all had to be pre-diluted for me to use. The other scent, which contains fir balsam absolute (a material that is nearly impossible to work with in its pure form), along with labdanum, vanilla absolute, pine resin, etc. is at a 39% concentration. I want both of these scents to be at a 20% concentration so I'm just wondering if I should still undergo the maturation process.
I believe that letting your scent age after diluting it to the desired concentration would be beneficial and necessary to allow the alcohol time to bond with the blend on a molecular scale.
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Very interesting. I didn't even know about maturation. I did a little bit of research and found out that maturation isn't really a thing unless you have a significant volume of perfume concentrate to work with (more than 5 kilos). I usually make 10ml testers with the perfume concentrate weighing no more than 2 - 2.5 grams. Do you think I should try "maturing" such small amounts of perfume concentrate or is that really not going to make any difference at all?
I absolutely recommend maturing even in small quantities. I do the same thing as you weighing an average 2-4 grams and I find that after 1 week there is a noticeable difference. At the end of the day there are still bonds being formed on a molecular scale that I personally find important. Try this; create a formula that you mature by 1+ weeks, once it's aged, replicate that exact same formula and give both a whiff to see if you notice a difference. Happy blending!
@@Whiffly Thanks for the quick answer. I'll definitely try it out. Maceration is certainly noticeable and in my personal experience is a long process, as I have bottles of the same formulation that I made 3 months and also 12 months ago, which smell significantly different, with the older one smelling better in almost every case. I'm excited to see how much of a difference a bit of maturing can make.
So i recently picked up a cheap clone of Valentino Uomo born in Roma and while the oils are good and smell fairly similar to the original there's such a high concentration of water and alcohol that the longevity is bad. I was wondering if i could evaporate those out of the fragrance so that i would be left with a higher ratio of oil to water/alchohol. I currently have a cup with about 70% of the bottle decanted in it sitting with no lid in my fridge and i'm hoping for it to evaporate. Is there a better way to do this? Will what i'm hoping to happen yeild a result? What would you reccomend?
I'd say just let it sit and don't try to evaporate any of your perfume's containments
Is it maceration or maturation when you buy the bottle and leave it in a dark room for a few months ?
Hello, do you think it's ok to let maturate in the glass jam jars type?
Definitely! If there was anything inside the jar beforehand, make sure it's cleaned properly and sterilized
Bro, my bottle of armaf untold was arrived, and when i spray and sniff, i just got a water + alcohol with a little little bit notes.... :( , What must i do now , are it is because of "during transportation" from the factory into my house, the bottle to many shaken , so all the notes is broken????
Just sit (maceration) 1 month u bottle.
Untold is a clone of Baccarat rouge 540, which is a molecule fragrance. Meaning it smells in the air but if you put your nose close to where you sprayed it, you may not smell anything. Some people are nose blind to it but it smells
Do you suggest keeping a newly blended fragnance inside a fridge for a certain period of time?
In a fridge wouldn't hurt unless one or more of your ingredients has a really low freezing point. If that's the case, using a fridge that's too cold might recrystallize some of your ingredients
aluminium also reacts - with both bases and acids
this is science
sir if we are making oil based perfume,do we still have to age it?
Yes, on a molecular level, you still want your fragrance ingredients to make bonds with the carrier oil.
Does it help with longevity of the scent and not just how it smells?
Absolutely! It will help with longevity due to the fixation effect it will have as it bonds with the heavier, less volatile ingredients
How to prevent discoloration or darkening caused by schiff base Aurantiol in the blend?
To the best of my knowledge the discolouration is caused by a reaction with other chemicals. There is a difference between Dimethyl Anthranilate and Methyl Anthranilate. Make sure you're purchasing your ingredients from reliable sources and always read the chemical information carefully.
@@Whiffly The issue of darkening is due to the color of the schiff base itself. Some schiff bases, such as Citral/Methyl Anthranilate, turn very dark (almost black) and viscous, whereas something like Benzaldehyde/Methyl Anthranilate is clear and less viscous than any of the precursors.
How long would you suggest to macerate a bottled fragrance for if it not as potent after it has been sprayed?
How long was it previously aged?
@@Whiffly not sure how to find that out. The batch code is from this year though
@@MiyamiSky It's hard to judge from a previously made/aged product. The best thing you can do is set it in a cool, dark place and let it age for 1+ month(s) at a time before testing again. Something to consider is that the issue may not be the aging, as it could be the strength or concentration of the ingredients inside as well.
@@Whiffly I had a sample of this fragrance that was very potent in terms of how loud the notes were. The bottle is not anywhere near as rich. Maybe that's the word I was looking for. It's not as rich as the sample.
@@MiyamiSky Ahhhh, there it is. Unfortunately a lot of the time some brand sample bottles "seem" to have a higher concentration than the final bottle itself. It's a hugely debated and controversial subject online among perfumers and fragrance enthusiasts. From a marketing standpoint, this would make sense to create a hard hitting, long lasting first impression of a fragrance to a first time buyer.
Do you believe a fragrance can improve over time after the bottle is first sprayed? I just received Xerjoff Nio and the citrus notes seem very quiet in comparison to the tester I was using.
Absolutely! Allowing your scents more time to mingle (even after the first spray) seems to promote scent improvements. It's possible that the tester was aged longer than your freshly purchased bottle.
@@Whiffly Yes, the tester I sampled from was about halfway finished and was a batch from 2018 (mine is 2020). Based on this, what would you recommend I do to age this as quickly (albeit as safely) as possible? Thanks so much for your help!
It's worth a shot! Knowing they are two years apart, Another reason this may be happening could be due to formulation tweeks. A lot of brands tend to make modifications to their fragrances over time. Just something to consider!
@@Whiffly I am hopeful it is not a batch reformulation issue, so would you recommend i get some air in the bottle and then store away for a period of time? Should I store in a dark place or would a little bit of light speed up the process? Thank you
You'll want the least amount of air inside the bottle as possible, it may cause oxidation. A cool dark place is recommended. Avoid light! I cover all of this in the video above 👌🏼
If i put my fragnace back in its container to sit should i take off the cap?
@@user-zn4op3yu6f No, don't take the cap off. Your top/heart notes will evaporate off while your entire formulation does the same at a slower rate.
Where we can buy best quality ingridients? Is Symrise best company for parfume oils?
Best is hard to say due to personal preferences. With that being said I purchased my Ingredients from Perfumers Apprentice from many different brands including Symrise, Givaudan, and IFF. The only way to know is to take a whiff! ✌🏼😁 I often purchase small 4ml vials to test. If I like them, I'll purchase a larger amount.
@@Whiffly Man...thank you so much for your time. I am big fan of parfumes and I would like to make some mix of my own. This means a lot to me.
You're welcome! I'm glad you're enjoying my content 🙂 Good luck on your journey into this craft and Welcome to The Modern Fragrance Community ✌🏼
Does aging make the perfume last longer?
Do you mean previously developed perfumes or personal creations?
@@Whiffly Like a bottle of new batch of a previously developed perfume
I can't say for sure, but I've heard that sometimes with a new batch they will release it before the aging process is complete assuming it'll take time to sell. My best advice would be to let it sit for a month+ to see if the longevity increases. That's the only way to find out.
i cant smell any if my base notes will it start developing after maturation
Thank you for this, as a newbie perfumer i shocked when i made first batch perfume (at 9grams) for how different they are with the pre-diluted sample i've made, especially at the top note!
turn out, i skipped the maturation process.. straight combine all materials with alcohol
You remind me of Grove Street.
Let rest a bottle with a lid or no???
With a lid, yes
😍link to your shirt man?
Glad you dig the shirt! Haha 😁 Unfortunately I can't remember where I picked it up
Why the multiple cuts in the video? Do it once for more believability.
Believability isn't my end goal. I don't do well socially, so this is the best way to make sure my content is quick, and to the point. The science speaks for itself as far as "believability" goes. Time is valuable for most!
This guy took retakes for every single sentence he spoke.:D
Nice work though 👍
I don't do well socially, so instead of adding stutters or gaps in thought, I decided to chop up the clips. My mind moves faster than my mouth 😂 A mild inconvenience to quick and concise lessons ✌🏼 And thanks mate!
@@Whiffly It was indeed the most informative video on maceration and maturation of perfumes.
Seems you have done some serious research on this stuff.
I am an introvert so I can imagine the struggle you have gone through during making UA-cam videos.
Keep doing great work. ✌️
Thanks! I really appreciate that. Hours and hours of research well spent 🙂 Glad I can help
What's up with the stilted performance and jump cuts between each and every single line? Was this for a high school project or something?
Haha! No. I'll be honest with you, I'm not a very good conversationalist. For my own sanity and to provide a clear understanding of what I'm teaching others I keep things straight to the point. No umm, uhhh, or random unnecessary gibber-gabber. Did you sit back and take a second to learn something? Or was the directing too distracting for you.
@@Whiffly fair. Though, I think that improving your ability to do one takes would be beneficial for your content and for your speaking skills in general. I trip over my words all the time and I've been practicing with audio-related videos on another channel.
My friend actually led me to this video. I'm not really into perfume myself lol. He was saying that your delivery was distracting, but that he has to watch your videos as you have the monopoly on this information (on UA-cam anyway). I just commented in a mean way because I'm a shit disturber and I was also curious about the delivery.
I appreciate the hell out of that reply lol. It's something I'm working on. I'll definitely continue to work on my skills, as this isn't the first time it's come up! Focusing on it a little more moving forward into 2022 isn't a bad idea 👌🏼
From one disturber to the next; I appreciate the constructive criticism ✌🏼
I wonder what is the problem with this guy that he can't connect more than one sentence together
Great question Richard! Would you rather I keep all the uh's, breaks, and stutters or just keep the video straight to the point? 🤔 If your time isn't valuable I can send you the unedited version.
@@Whiffly Thank you for a kind reply on a not so kind comment. All the best to you.
Its so unsettling to watch these videos with 1,283,482 unnecessary edit cuts...
It's necessary if you want my educational content to be straight to the point and easily comprehended. I don't do well socially, so I'd rather cut the uh's, and stutter out and keep the main Information in. Thanks for the comment though! I get this a lot.
This video seemed like it might be interesting but my lord, the jump cut after every sentence was driving me crazy after 45 seconds. Get a tele prompter or something for gawds sake, or y'know, don't work from a script at all?