DOUBLED UP! On Our First Ever Elk Hunt - DIY Public Land Archery Bulls
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- Опубліковано 19 лют 2022
- Jeff and I drew our first ever elk tags in Wyoming. In a matter of months, we gather up all the gear we needed, learned as much as we could about elk behavior and hunting tactics, e-scouted all over WY public land, and practiced extensively with our calls and bows. All the preparation for our DIY backcountry public land archery hunt was worth it because we were able to bring home truck load of meat and 2 nice sets of antlers.
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What is wrong with you people! You shoot one Bull.have no idea of lethal or not, Man up! Punch your Damn tag, go home with the experence, knowing what you have to better in the future! Don`t do your practicing on these Majestic animals, Lame, really Lame!!
Definitely agree! Tag should’ve been punched! That shot hit shoulder but was lethal. He probably went a long ways but died
Congrats fellas!
Thanks!
When you can’t hold your bow back any longer doesn’t mean you just let an arrow fly. I’m glad you recovered the last bull but that was a terrible shot option. The only good shot bow hunting is to execute a good shot option, not settle for a less than perfect shot. When you don’t have the right shot you pass and wait for the right opportunity. Hope you understand how lucky you got and make a better judgment shot next time. The Elk deserve better.
From a 25yr veteran Elk bow hunter with 26 Elk kills.
Totally agree on this end! Too many videos to fill “content” that reflect poor shots. “Draw blood/punch tag!”
Agreed! Too many bow hunters that don't put enough practice in and calculate risk with shot placement and surrounding obstacles. Blood on the ground, punch the tag.
Wounded bull. Tag should have been notched. Not gut shoot another one. It’s not a failure to let down and not take a shot when you don’t have a good one.
If you dont recover the animal, you dont notch the tag. The fish and game department accounts for wound loss in their tag allocation numbers and if the population couldn’t sustain it, then they would issue less tags. Party on boys.
Yepppp
Glad you got that second bull. At that distance the frontal is your best option. Glad it worked out for you guys.
Hind sight I agree, but yeah so glad it worked it. He made a hell of a shot!
If I ever think my shot has killed or it will kill the animal that tag is filled in my opinion... Everyone has their opinion and these guys didn't break any laws
Great job!
External reed call would be your friend lol
I’ve brought a few people on they’re first elk hunt. It’s always such an incredible experience watching a guy put down his first bull! Great hunt boys!
Thank you! We had a blast and are hooked. Definitely have a lot of room for improvement.
@@NobleSavageOutdoors yeah but you killed two bulls. Very impressive for your first year. It’ll always be exciting but never as exciting as the first time
Great season guys, thanks for sharing with us. Best of luck this year. I'll be happy if I see half the bulls you did in this video. Nice work!
Thanks for the support. Didn't draw a tag this year. Hopefully next year. Good luck to you!
Man you knew you spined that bull when you said you shot and it dropped and your watching and filming it while doing a monologue? Have a little respect for your quarry and go put it out of its misery, instead of letting it suffer while you give a play by play of what just happened. That last bull had an absolute terrible shot on it that luckily caught the femoral or something but if it was an inch right it probably would have wounded it in the hip or gut. There was no shot there besides a frontal and if you weren’t comfortable with it don’t take it. He wounded a bull before that so it could have possibly been two bulls that you wouldn’t have found.
I actually do have a ton of respect for all the animals I hunt. If you watched our conversation, you can clearly see we were not positive if he could move or not. After doing the play by play and watching him from a distance for a little while, I was convinced he couldn't move but you can still hear the hesitation in my hunting partner. In the moment, I still believe we made the right call. I can see how it may not look like that from the video, but part of that is likely due to editing. I edited out a lot of us watching and talking about what to do next, because it's not entertaining to watch.
Hunting isn't perfect. There is the possibility of wounding animals. If you can't handle that you should not be hunting. The first bull was a perfect setup, a good shot, and ended up with missing injured bull. The second was not a great shot opportunity, but incredible shot placement and ended with a dead elk.
@@NobleSavageOutdoors You shot a bull with an arrow and saw that it dropped. The only way that happens is with a spinal shot. Walk up and put a finishing shot in it to end it’s suffering, why would it matter if it could move or not? There is always the possibility of wounding something but when you take marginal shots the chances of that happening go up extremely. If the shot isn’t there don’t shoot, it’s simple. The shot placement was only good because it luckily hit the femoral. Nobody should intentionally try a shot like that with an animal that is that extremely quartered too where it is almost face on. If he didn’t feel confident with a frontal shot he should have put down. The fact that your debating between the shot he took and a frontal shot shows a lack of care. That’s like saying “ I could have shot him broadside through the lungs or back in the liver, it’s a tough call to make in the moment but I think I chose the right one”. Both result in a dead bull but the likelihood of not finding one is far greater than the other.
Sounds like you got it all figured out.
I agree with you on them not immediately putting another arrow in that spine shot bull that was flopping around and watching it kicking before putting another arrow in it to give it as quick of a death as possible and instead doing an interview in front of the camera. It's known within seconds after the shot if that animal is struggling to try and get away. Take care of the animals first out of respect. if there's ever any questions you should just get closer, as they did, and put another arrow in it, it will only make it quicker for the animals and obviously you filled your tag so the extra arrows in your quiver can be helping to make it a quicker death.
@@NobleSavageOutdoors It’s obvious to us all that you guys do not have it figured out.
Congratulations! Your video was very well put together. Great Job!
Thank you!
Here’s my issue, I normally don’t say anything. You’re starting your own station or site and publicizing the events and actions of you.
If you are posting these then you fall subject to criticism don’t take it totally negative just to build up.
You need to be looking at taking better shots and quit putting yourself in risk of questionable shots. The hunting industry is always under attack by those who know nothing about conservation and are prone to emotional reactions rather than rational thought. Sometimes if you want to post it you need to also accept the responsibility to represent all of us with the highest ethical decisions. Let it walk when I’m doubt. The first shoulder loss was jitters it looks like the more experienced you become those shots should be minimized. Good luck and God Bless
I completely respect your approach to a discussion instead of a lecture like some. On my first shot, I was going off information I've heard over and over again. Elk don't jump the string like whitetail so you can take 50 or even 60 yard shots with a bow. I've heard this countless times even from professionals. Unfortunately, I had to learn from experience that this was not true. At 53 yards, this bull drop and turned probably 8 inches. I know this because the location the arrow struck was not even in my sight picture when I shot. I learned that when an elk is on high alert, it will jump the string almost just as much as a whitetail. This was a learning experience, and I will take it with me knowing I was lucky to spine it. The second shot, was a 30 yard perfectly broadside shot, I would not call it jitters, again the bull jumped the string. If you pause the video you can see the bull drops 2-3 inches causing the arrow to hit the shoulder. Anyone in there right mind would have taken that shot and anyone could have the same outcome. The last shot in hind sight probably could have been a frontal shot. However so many people have pointed out that was the only option here. I completely disagree. A frontal shot only gives you about 3-4 inches of lethal target to miss both collar bones. If they are not perfectly straight, it is much less because the vitals don't line up. His behind the shoulder shot could arguably have the same kill zone size for that angle. The fact that aiming behind the shoulder is practiced prbably 100x more often than a frontal, ups the perctage of the behind the shoulder shot even more. In the end, the perfect broadside shot ended with a wounded missing elk and the questionable quartering shot ended with a dead elk in 70 yards. This is a perfect example that it is impossible to know the actual risk of any shot. Hunting is not perfect and if you wait for everything to be perfect you will never take a shot. I take all of the experiences in and use them to get better. I am continually developing what I believe to be ethical for hunting. However that does not mean I have to accept any responsibility to represent what you decide is ethical. If it becomes law sure I must follow it, but your opinions of what you believe to be ethical are not my responsibility. Thanks for the civil discourse, hard to find on here, take care.
@@NobleSavageOutdoors just bringing up one point, that it was said you’ll never be able to take a shot if you wait for a perfect shot. I promise you the shot will be there. I’m just recommending to not get in a hurry over taking a frontal or strong angle towards you and then publish it. As you do these things it’ll just give others the idea to do the same especially others with low education in hunting elk. The rate at loss is high although you did find yours and usually there is a low blood loss in these instances.
Just remember a few keys while hunting elk
1- find where they tend to water in the night ( hunt above the grazing and water areas in the morning)
2- find where they bed and try to understand the times and thermals, especially watch out for ridges as they are prone to swirling wind,
3-elk play the wind and do not get caught with the wind. Have your caller up wind as they normally will work Down wind to find who or what they trying to find. Elk understand there is more than elk making elk sounds
In Utah they did a study, that in some limited entry units (so not a general unit that would not have full pressure) elk on the first day of the hunt and will start on the eve of that hunt transfer to private properties to not be hunted. This was not a few head. They figured only 30% of the elk were left once the hunt began.
Find where elk are using water in the day and just be patient be careful on leaving sent.
Once again the shot will be there just give it time, yes you might eat a tag once in a while but to me the loss of a wounded animal and risk it’s just not worth it.
One other, work on the reed calls in the use of cow sounds. Record yourself and imitate some of the sounds. Notice the sounds will change up due to the elk activity and estrus. It’s a fun world out there and enjoy.
God Bless
Just so you know, the reason I said you will never take a shot if you are waiting for a perfect one is because I believe a truly perfect shot does not exist. There are just too many variables at play all the time when hunting. Thats what makes it so enjoyable but also frustrating at times. I absolutely understand and agree we need to reduce risk and try to up our percentage where ever possible. Thank you for the advice, always looking to learn and improve.
@@NobleSavageOutdoors thanks for the conversation. Archery elk is definitely my favorite especially since my wife and I hunt together. The shots are there for you. One I have learned is that an elk walking has an issue, they have a tendency to react quick to any shot. They have the ability to duck and change direction or to dash quickly out. The elk are a very inquisitive animal and usually if you can keep the wind you have a good chance. Another hint for you is to think like the elk. If you were called in by another group of elk but when you get there, nothing is there or it is absolutely silent. Try using other sounds like rolling pebbles or rocks, pick leaves off branches just like they would rip them off. If you get callers allow them to keep some distance like I mentioned.
Just for the discussion yes I have killed elk and the closest was about 1.5” with archery tackle. I believe 5-8 within 5-10 yds. It’s simply a rush otherwise you and I would not be hooked and addicted. The learning experience you receive in the next couple season will be unmatched enjoy.
@@NobleSavageOutdoors I had an elk completely “duck” the arrow on a 43yd shot that would have hit below midpoint if it had not moved. When they drop to spring away, it can be 20+ inches. The short answer to the second shot is a heavier, weight forward arrow with an incredibly sharp broad head. Look a little more into that frontal shot. It’s not as small as you might think. Inside the shoulder blade above the brisket is extremely lethal.
That was pretty awesome
It was an amazing hunt for sure.
This is why I have trained myself and my sons to hold full draw for as long as we can and shoot accurately at the end of the hold time. I've only gone two minutes. Few people realize how much control that it takes to maintain that, but you are hunters, hiking on foot in the wilderness, so you know. Congratulations to the both of you! Sad about that 6x6 that shot looked great compared to the gut shot that dropped that last one. Hunting is full of unknowns and surprises, no doubt. Thanks for vlogging your first ever elk hunt and sharing it 👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks for the support! It is incredibly important training to do, and I'll admit I don't do enough of it. Most people do not understand how long 2 minutes at full draw can be.
@@NobleSavageOutdoors Yeah, and then I consider how long two minutes would be without 65%-80% let off! 😵
That was such an awesome hunt man. I'm so glad for the both of you.
Looked to me that the first bull was hit in the shoulder blade. Definitely no vitals or pass through. Its happened lots of times.
Can I go elk hunting with you guys🤷🏽😆that was freaking awesome!
If you can get me a tag, I'd go hunting with you...haha. Missed out this year. Hopefully you had better luck!
Two bulls for your buddy! Where does ethics play in??
Great display of poor something, as I would never call it hunting. I saw three poor shot attempts, 2 you got lucky, who the heck knows how many other poor attempts are on the editing room floor. Dont talk like a experienced hunter saying "oh well, thats how elk hunting goes" , especially when it was your first elk hunt, or so you said. I will save this one for new hunters to show them how not to do it.
You tallk to them like they should of known better. They were inexperienced Elk hunters. People make mistakes. I'm sure you'll show it to new Elk hunters and be waiting there with your belt out to keep them in line. They did some good things too. They were patient and determined, and walked out with 2 Elk. What?
Yea not so noble here. You shot a bull your done notch your tag your done no respect for this group
Congratulations guy. Great job. Really enjoyed the video. Thanks for blocking out all the bad words. Just remember young people watch theses videos. I’m a GODLY man
Thank you for the support! I really should be blocking them before they come out of my mouth.
The fact that people actually thought this was a good video is insane! 3 piss poor shots on an animal and no one notices? First shot wasn’t even ranged “I thought it was about 50 yards they said”. The shot eas through a tiny opening and probably got deflected. Then they stood around doing play by play when the elk was laying there paralyzed suffering! JUST SICKENING! Show some hunting ethics and finish the bull instantly!!
Second shot they didn’t know the range. “20 or 30 yards” well there’s a difference between 20 yards and 30 yards. The shot eas high and too far forward. Probably a dead elk even though they didn’t find it. That should’ve been the end of the hunt. And you looked for a total of 5 hours for it??? That’s just PISS POOR HUNTING ETHICS!!! You can’t cover the 2 miles you say you covered looking for that bull in 5 hours.
Third shot was lucky to recover the bull. At 20 yards a frontal shot is your best option. If you would’ve done your homework prior to your first elk hunt you would know that!!
There’s several UA-cam vidoes that go into great detail on frontal shots on elk and how to make them. Just because you say you can’t hold your bow back anymore is no reason to take a marginal shot on any animal.
UA-cam is ruining hubting cuz clowns 🤡 like them are making people think it’s ok to take piss poor shots and wound animals. Then they say “that’s part of hunting” NO ITS part of being an unethical hunter!!!
You, sir, are a hunting Nazi.
@@NobleSavageOutdoors No, he's an ethical bowhunter giving criticism where it is needed. He is exactly right as to your saying you looked for 5 hours in blowdowns. I call Bullshit ! You both should work on your ethics as this is exactly what anti-hunters want to see to show the blatant disregard for an animals life by not following up with a killing shot instead of your mini celebration. And you're answer to criticism is to call someone a Nazi. PISS POOR ETHICS IS THE LEAST OF YOUR NEEDS.
Piss poor if you shoot a bull you punch your tag. It’s not kill and release boys. It’s called ethics….
Great stuff guys. Congrats on a big double up!
Thanks Nick!
What state and unit?
Flinging arrows with reckless abandonment, I wonder how many other animals they wounded that didn't make the cut due to "editing"
Unbelievable isn’t it? I’ve been a bow hunter for over 40 years I’ve never seen anything like it is now. In my opinion, when people wound an animal that should end their hunt. That allows the hunter to reflect on their mistakes and sustains the population. I live in the heart of elk country and it’s a shame these magnificent animals are often treated with little or no regard.
39 years a Bowhunter myself. Shot my first deer with my bow on my 15th birthday. I’ve NEVER taken a shot I wasn’t sure was going to be a lethal shot. I’ve shot elk, deer, caribou, bear and turkeys with my bow. Never taken a shot over 27 yards! It’s bow hunting it’s supposed to be up close and personal. Vidoes like this make me sick!!! He didn’t range the bull, shot through a tiny opening, and made a PISS POOR SHOT!! He just got lucky to drop it with a bad spine shot. Then they wasted time before they put another arrow in him. That’s just unacceptable. UA-cam is the worst thing that EVER HAPPENED TO hunting.
hm. need some training in ethical hunting.
40 minutes of action packed video! Throughly enjoyed it…great camera work.
Thanks glad you enjoyed it!
Congrats to you both. Awesome video
Congrats! Helluva hunt.
Agreed thanks!
That was an awesome hunt man!!! Been watching some of your videos your a good hunter hope to see more of it!!
Thanks! I appreciate the compliment. The best part about hunting is there's always more to learn.
why would you aim for the guts
I agree with the boy if he was only 25 yd and he stopped perfect for you you should have beenn a settle your pin but it's right on his heart and even if you're a puncher let's say push the trigger and the arrow hits where it hit's where it hits or you learn how to execute but true you know surprise shot and it followed through and you know that's how the That's what bro archers look for anyway anyway cause it results in perfect accuracy
Great hunt and great job capturing everything! I love the hunting referees in the comments😂 Impressive steep quartered to shot on that last bull, congrats!
Thank you! I knew I was going to get the keyboard warriors on this one. I'm sure they've never injured anything and had it get away or made a decision that in hind sight could have been better...
Say what? He should have put a frontal shot on that bull instead of a gut shot. Lots of lessons learned for sure. Each bull had at least one bad shot put on it.
@@sneakybow1 oh definitely! Im sure they could say a hundred more things they "should have" done on this hunt to make it completely perfect, but hindsight is 20/20. Easy to look back and say "should have" this and "should have" that, especially from the couch! Real time, in the moment decision making is completely different and I understand that. Im impressed with the shot because he put it in what looked like from the camera mans angle to only place you could if not shooting frontal. Congrats to the hunter!
Great video guys!!!
Thanks!
Great video and congrats on 2 great bulls!! Droptine bull was cool, close calls on him. Rut was definitely on. Didn't seem like there were many hunters to compete with?
Thanks! We definitely picked the right time to go, they were fired up. We purposely picked spots far enough from roads and ATV trails to avoid people. Ended up running into only 3 other sets of hunters in a little over a week.
Screw the haters! Awesome hunt and thank you for sharing. We all make mistakes, and that’s just a part of hunting. You live and your learn. We as hunters need to stick together.
Completely agree! I am not backing down from the fact that there were multiple mistakes made, but it was literally our first time ever elk hunting and we learned an incredible amount that we will improve on tremendously for next time. That's not only a part of hunting, it is the point of hunting in my opinion.
@@NobleSavageOutdoors Amen guys!
That's called black and out you just Don't even remember where you shot at I've done it I think every hunter has done it Joe Turner Is teaches all about it
What a fricken nice hunt .....way to go
Thanks!
Congrats guys good job. Can you tell me what camera you where using
You can find the camcorders I use under the "Filming" list here. www.amazon.com/shop/noblesavageoutdoors
Aisha let down he should have never Shot that animal after holding that bow that long
Epic trip..
It absolutely was! Thanks for watching.
2 for 3. Nice job.
Why would you ever try to shoot that animal in its side when it's looking dead at you you automatically put it right below it's juggler dad in the center of its chest a frontal will kill an animal fast
Great hunt guys. Persistence paid off.
Thank you for the support!
awesome to double up congrats great video also
Thanks!
Was it the Panasonic Full HD Video Camera Camcorder HC-V180K, 50X Optical Zoom
I do have that one and use it, but use the Panasonic HC-VX870K more.
You had your chance with the first bull and took a questionable shot, a wounded animal with no recovery is a burnt tag, stop hunting. In some states it is illegal to do what you did. I am of the mindset that if you wound and animal and don't recover it, you are done hunting.
Here here!!! Tough love, but increases likelihood of the sureshot!!
Wyoming has a law on the books about this exact scenario.
@@hammertime714 "Wounding and Retrieving. No person shall wound or kill any game animal without making a reasonable effort to retrieve it and reduce it to possession. For the purpose of this subsection, making a reasonable effort shall include a person physically going to the nearest location where the game animal was when a person attempted to take the game animal, in order to search for any sign the game animal was wounded or killed, and take the game animal into possession."
No doubt you killed the bull. Don’t ever expect blood. New hunters, know your anatomy “before” you shoot. Elk are tough animals beyond belief! They deserve your utmost respect, accordingly make the “sure shot”. Save your shot till you’re confident of a kill…or pass. When you draw blood, punch your tag. It’ll make you more likely to take the sure shot and not the iffy one! (Glad you guys got yours!)
I like this advice on a normal basis (like in your home state), but it is much tougher when you can only get a tag every 5 years, spend thousands of dollars on the trip, and plan for months in advance just to punch your tag at the sight of blood. Also the bull we lost was what I would consider a "sure shot" stopped broadside at 30 yards with its attention elsewhere. I wouldn't expect nor advise anyone to hesitate on taking that shot whether they lost one in the past or not. Sometimes everything works out in your favor and sometimes everything is against you, but you can always learn, get better, and increase your odds. That's what makes hunting so frustrating yet addicting at the same time.
@@NobleSavageOutdoors - Respectfully, I disagree. In state or not, I’m inclined to encourage anyone who takes a shot to make it feel like it’s your one and only! You’re far more likely to hold out. I pay non-resident fees. I live year around for the hunt. I’m ok with the “close encounters”, (nothing like the pounding Adrenalin of getting close!) I’ll take more of those encounters any day and go home empty handed, then risk sending an arrow, hoping to hit something lethal. To each their own. Good luck in 22!
@@NobleSavageOutdoors what kind of logic is that? Just because you finally get drawn for a tag after 5 years you can throw ethics out the window? Punch the tag when blood is drawn, whether animal is found or not. This type of content gives non hunters fuel to try to ban hunting for all.
@@NobleSavageOutdoors what kind of logic is that? Just because you finally get drawn for a tag after 5 years you can throw ethics out the window? Punch the tag when blood is drawn, whether animal is found or not. This type of content gives non hunters fuel to try to ban hunting for all.
The same logic can be applied if say you shoot an elk with gangrene or inedible disease, you are able to turn it in and get a new tag. Even though you drew blood and your ethical rule states you should be done hunting for the season, you still allow a loophole for this situation. Another example may be if you were legitimately starving you may throw all your ethical rules out the window and may even break the law to feed yourself or family. I am not saying these situations are anywhere close to mine, but you ask what kind of logic it is and I'm trying to explain how it is situation based. The problem with ethics is that it's not agreed upon by the people. Everyone has their opinion and they feel they can shame others for not following it regardless of the situation or knowing the full situation. It's very similar to political correctness there is no law stating what is or what isn't politically correct, but enough people (even though probably not the majority) have shamed others for their opinions that collectively free speech is being effected. Essentially its whoever yells most and loudest gets to decided things. It's a dangerous path to go down. The answer is to have your own ethics for yourself but don't shame people into following your ethics. If you believe in your ethics enough, advocate for laws to be changed. If the majority agrees, make it law.
Awesome video Impressive video
Thanks!
For real that is embarrassing. You shot a bull punch your tag.
Don’t sit there telling the story after you spine shoot an animal and it’s there thrashing around. Go put it out if it’s misery then tell the story.
Too much talk, rather see video of the elk.
This is what happens when you give people with an extra chromosome access to the internet and give them a bow. What an embarrassing video for all hunters