The problem was the board more than AMD. Gigabyte and even Asus had some issues early on but the last few AGESA updates since have been very solid. Most should be fine but Gigabyte can be frustrating IMO. Oddly, Asrock working close with AMD this gen meant their boards have been notoriously reliable. They aren't perfect but my X670 Taichi has been solid since launch and even a B650E PG Riptide I'm testing now is running DDR5-8000 CL34 stable with a 7950X. Yes, I'm serious and I mean actually stable with a week's worth of real tests. A GB board I played with a few months back worked well enough if you know how to tune it but I wasn't impressed. Not saying they can't be good but for fancy aesthetics and bios features I would go Asus before them personally. Otherwise for a reliable experience, you can't go wrong with Asrock on AM5 now (as weird as that sounds). Yes you could say part of it is AMD not being as strict with partners but there's nothing 'wrong' with AM5 at this point. Intel is great too, just be mindful running above ~7400 without memory testing if you do more than gaming. A lot of people aren't as stable as they think.
TLDW. My computer is a powerhouse i built myself and it runs flawlessly, gets cleaned regularly, has its OS reinstalled on schedule, and it has amd in it. I cant complain with my purchase one bit. It doesnt matter which one you buy, if you have a problem with one of the components it just need replacing doa happens all the time and so does components that act strange. Also idk why you have pictures of a motherboard for a discussion about cpus
Yeah there is a demented setup in amd mobos that reads like 'run at maximum speed'. Problem nowadays is that everything is overclocked. And I am not talking about xmp. Defaults in mobo are not safe anymore. This is specifically AMD. Once that is deactivated and the rest was setup as it should be, great. It looks like manufacturers want to favor Intel...
I have got exactly the same board since 2 weeks now. paired it with G skill 6000Mhz DDR5 (G.Skill Flare X5 F5-6000J3038F16GX2-FX5 EXPO profile) and 7800X3D and a brand new Be quiet power pro 13 (850W) PSU. Its running bios 20Fa and its rock solid. No issues, gaming all days. fast solid no weird things. What brand of memory did you use? What powersupply did you use? Did you do a clean Windows 11 install? Did you use the latest bios? In the beginning they had a lot of stabliity issues but thats all sorted out with latest bios.
PS resetting bios means your motherboard/bios needs to learn your memory timings, This can take up to 2 or 3 minutes before you get power up screen. People are unpatience these days and think it doesnt boot. You need to be patience!
@@psies2005 I have 850Watts PSU, but that shouldn't be an issue. G.Skill RAM ALways cos they are the best. I know about the memory training etc. This was just not a good combo. Now i am running this Intel 14700k with the same RAM at 7466MHz with no issues. Booted straight up. Its a hit or a miss on AMD AM5 and DDR5 tho, some have good results and others cannot do shit with it. I am glad i sold it, let AMD sort their crap out and perhaps i go back but for now i am more than happy with my (powerhungry) 14700k lol.
I would suggest not surfing the bleeding edge if you are looking for a finely tuned and evolved machine. I just dropped a 5800X3D into an old X370 system and am very happy with the price/performance ratio of the upgrade. If ever there was time to step away from the bleeding edge, it has to be now. The previous generation is so close to usability perfection that there is no need for most people to pay much more for so little real world gains. That said, I have to be grateful to those who will spend heavily on both platforms to allow people like myself to sit a generation behind with little to no negative consequences, so thank you for investing so heavily in the new tech to encourage further developments that we all benefit from eventually.
as someone who just bought amd, i can tell you my intel never had the 4 minute ram check posts. they just worked. this one is kind of annoying me with that...
Had a gigabyte z690 gaming x which also had a horrible bios. So horrible i had to send it back after 6 hours of screwing with it. Got the msi pro z690-a which worked perfectly with a great bios.
I just built a computer with a Asus Z690 P Prime wifi after the first thing i did was check how old the bios was it was over a year old so i updated it runs fantastic and stable.
That is what I do normally too but I discovered that newer bios doesn't mean better performance or stability. On the AMD board I was more stable on beta than on "stable" bios lol.
I have the same set up, same motherboard paired with a 7700x and 6000 ddr5 with a rx 7800 xt and its been nothing but issues. Drops wifi and ports get knocked out randomly. Some times it wont boot up or it blue screens on me and corrupts windows 10 on the regular. Unfortunately I can't return the motherboard because I have had it for a couple month now. I even tried to update the bios to the very newest stable not beta bios. Wont buy another Gigabyte product again and I have been buying Gigabyte mobo's for something like 25 years now. I should have just went intel like you, but since x570 was so good I assumed x670 was going to be a good follow up upgrade. Very mad!!
Yes, on AMD i tried all the BIOS on that board. I never look on QVL cos it means nothing. Sets that are on the list may not even work while others that are not on the qvl work perfectly fine.
Damn dude. First I wish you all the best. I am all for people buying what they are comfortable with and What they Like. But a few things. Please Go and listen to some PROFESSIONALS like Long career overclockers talk about DDR especially DDR5. When you Chase Numbers. Im telling you this because I don't want you to self scam, more I don't really care if you use intel Or AMD or This new Chinese chip they have. 1st you have to Understand especially with DDR5 6000 is not a Guarantied in ALL conditions on a MB that supports DDR5. Even when The MB vendor lists it as compatible. It DOESN'T mean it will work 100%. Like MB claims: SUPPORTS 7000Mhz is BS. They found 1 combination that MAYBE can do it and it's just a selling point. But even they state its an XMP or AMP or DOCP. Not a Working Frequency. Its like intel or AMD saying Boost up to 5.1Ghz. That doesnt mean your chip will, it means it has a chance to. These numbers are basically like overclockers Charts where they have Maximum overclocks and Maximum safe Overclocks. But even If they Are Maximum safe OC doesn't mean it's gonna work for you. JDEC is What HAS to be guaranteed to work or you have legal right to sue them for scam. And you are the victim. Advertised speeds are Maximum repeatable safe clocks they had but it doesnt mean your DDR will go there and be stable. It depends on at least 2 more Parts in your PC. And Not even class of Parts but literally You personal example. Your silicone. It is because people Got used to Thinking that it WILL work because on 90% of cases it does. Its Not Manufacturers Absolute Confirmation it will work but Advertised possibility. We did this to ourselves when we started claiming that number is almost guaranteed. And yes there are companies that abuse it but We are the main ones to blame. I had a Kit of Kingston HyperX Fury @ 1866Mhz CL10 that I overclocked to 2400Mhz CL11 worked like that With an AMD x4 760K for 5 years Never crashed even once or cause instability. Could I Do it again. Probably Not even If I buy 20 More Kits of the same 16GB kit. Or maybe a few will work. That's my whole point. UA-camrs are also to blame for this misinformation. Chasing Clock for clock comparison is for people who do not understand tech. What are your Real word comparisons. AMD in Many cases on Lover DDR clock can Outperform intel in the same price range. Why dies it matter the Number is higher? If the Performance is better. 2nd. AMD and Intel archive same work in different ways. They Use different Dyes and different configurations. Also 3D cache demands lover clocks because of temperature sensitivity. But At lower clocks will outperform competitions in Gaming. But it will lose in Productivity. It's Like Saying Oh My new Mercedes AMG SL65 is Garbage because I had a Mazda RX8, and it revs to 9000Rpm and SL only revs to 7000Rpm. If you are chasing Numbers to post on Forums lets not talk about Real Practical Results. and one more thing be Mad as you wish Vendors for MB are Extremely Biased towards Platforms. GigaJunk makes absolute trash even at high tier for AMD and I had NO issues with MSI and ASUS replacing the GigaJunk using all the same components on them. I have 4 X570 Aorus Elite from them DEAD From PC I built 1 for me and 3 for Friends. All with the same issue. Sometimes it truns on, sometimes it doesn't. It works fine if it turns on, but if it restarts which can happen more often than other brands, it may choose not to start again. When we RMA them They somehow start them and once they start on Stock clocks they work. But they tell you It works on Stock settings, a Top shelf Most expensive Board works only on stock clocks. WOW... Same company that writes EXTRA DURABLE on their boards. I don't know about you But the Gigabrick is very Old news since AM3 and Old i processors came out. You apply memory OC. Oooops better get your battery out. And yes you are right Gigajunk doesn't want AMD. Try MSi and ASUS, Asrock next time and see for yourself. While On intel everything worked perfectly. And this is 5 past generations Not AM5 and intel 1700. So be careful when you talk shit without factual data. If you feel Intel is better for you that is amazing and that is the right choice for you. But please don't sell as intel said it recently snake oil to people. (talking shit about AMD re-relasing chips while 14Gen is a refresh of 13 gen) I love My Mazda Lantis 323F. I know there are tons of better cars out there but this one feels Best for me. And If it is the best car ever made, cool. If its Not ,that's fine because for me it is the best I have tried newer and older, and I will keep it as long as I can. Because it fits me as a glove.
i didnt read the whole thing you wrote but i agree with you. i build computer when i had to solder chipset and cmos to update its firmware and some case brought a brick motherboard. when it comes to new tech, there's always high chance its not stable. specially with ram, cpu and motherboard. the rest component doesn't matter much at most it just cause computer freeze or blue screen. normally manufacture have part is of brand of ram they tested that is compatible with the motherboard. a lot of people never understand changing and setting on the computer could cause unstable. even if it seem to work fine, there's might be a glitch happened in the background that user unaware - something that wont freeze the computer. in some case even overclocking the ram could make the system slower as it could knock off timing of all system communication.
It's not that they don't want AMD to win AMD is there own worst enemy they hold themselves back but if you run Linux AMD is there open source drivers and all but that's 2% of the market so yeah the only thing holding AMD back is AMD.
Yep, I think Ryzen 7000 is an amazing cpu and AM5 has good potential but too many issues for me and that can Elbe related to AGESA and motherboard vendors. Both are the "blame". AMD just gives erratic agesa which is the micro code for the entire CPU and the motherboard vendors have to work with it cos they cannot change or alter that code.
The problem was the board more than AMD. Gigabyte and even Asus had some issues early on but the last few AGESA updates since have been very solid. Most should be fine but Gigabyte can be frustrating IMO.
Oddly, Asrock working close with AMD this gen meant their boards have been notoriously reliable. They aren't perfect but my X670 Taichi has been solid since launch and even a B650E PG Riptide I'm testing now is running DDR5-8000 CL34 stable with a 7950X. Yes, I'm serious and I mean actually stable with a week's worth of real tests.
A GB board I played with a few months back worked well enough if you know how to tune it but I wasn't impressed. Not saying they can't be good but for fancy aesthetics and bios features I would go Asus before them personally. Otherwise for a reliable experience, you can't go wrong with Asrock on AM5 now (as weird as that sounds).
Yes you could say part of it is AMD not being as strict with partners but there's nothing 'wrong' with AM5 at this point. Intel is great too, just be mindful running above ~7400 without memory testing if you do more than gaming. A lot of people aren't as stable as they think.
Digital Foundry just switched from Intel to AMD and has been praising it ever since 🤷♂️
TLDW. My computer is a powerhouse i built myself and it runs flawlessly, gets cleaned regularly, has its OS reinstalled on schedule, and it has amd in it. I cant complain with my purchase one bit. It doesnt matter which one you buy, if you have a problem with one of the components it just need replacing doa happens all the time and so does components that act strange.
Also idk why you have pictures of a motherboard for a discussion about cpus
It's not only about CPUs as you can hear and see in the video. It's the entire platform.
Yeah there is a demented setup in amd mobos that reads like 'run at maximum speed'. Problem nowadays is that everything is overclocked. And I am not talking about xmp. Defaults in mobo are not safe anymore. This is specifically AMD. Once that is deactivated and the rest was setup as it should be, great.
It looks like manufacturers want to favor Intel...
I have got exactly the same board since 2 weeks now. paired it with G skill 6000Mhz DDR5 (G.Skill Flare X5 F5-6000J3038F16GX2-FX5 EXPO profile) and 7800X3D and a brand new Be quiet power pro 13 (850W) PSU. Its
running bios 20Fa and its rock solid. No issues, gaming all days. fast solid no weird things. What brand of memory did you use? What powersupply did you use? Did you do a clean Windows 11 install? Did you use the latest bios? In the beginning they had a lot of stabliity issues but thats all sorted out with latest bios.
PS resetting bios means your motherboard/bios needs to learn your memory timings, This can take up to 2 or 3 minutes before you get power up screen. People are unpatience these days and think it doesnt boot. You need to be patience!
@@psies2005 I have 850Watts PSU, but that shouldn't be an issue. G.Skill RAM ALways cos they are the best. I know about the memory training etc. This was just not a good combo. Now i am running this Intel 14700k with the same RAM at 7466MHz with no issues. Booted straight up. Its a hit or a miss on AMD AM5 and DDR5 tho, some have good results and others cannot do shit with it. I am glad i sold it, let AMD sort their crap out and perhaps i go back but for now i am more than happy with my (powerhungry) 14700k lol.
I would suggest not surfing the bleeding edge if you are looking for a finely tuned and evolved machine. I just dropped a 5800X3D into an old X370 system and am very happy with the price/performance ratio of the upgrade. If ever there was time to step away from the bleeding edge, it has to be now. The previous generation is so close to usability perfection that there is no need for most people to pay much more for so little real world gains.
That said, I have to be grateful to those who will spend heavily on both platforms to allow people like myself to sit a generation behind with little to no negative consequences, so thank you for investing so heavily in the new tech to encourage further developments that we all benefit from eventually.
as someone who just bought amd, i can tell you my intel never had the 4 minute ram check posts. they just worked. this one is kind of annoying me with that...
Yep, one of my reasons why I went to Intel. I couldn't be more happy tbh.
Had a gigabyte z690 gaming x which also had a horrible bios. So horrible i had to send it back after 6 hours of screwing with it. Got the msi pro z690-a which worked perfectly with a great bios.
really? What was wrong with your Gigabyte bios?
I just built a computer with a Asus Z690 P Prime wifi after the first thing i did was check how old the bios was it was over a year old so i updated it runs fantastic and stable.
That is what I do normally too but I discovered that newer bios doesn't mean better performance or stability. On the AMD board I was more stable on beta than on "stable" bios lol.
I have the same set up, same motherboard paired with a 7700x and 6000 ddr5 with a rx 7800 xt and its been nothing but issues. Drops wifi and ports get knocked out randomly. Some times it wont boot up or it blue screens on me and corrupts windows 10 on the regular. Unfortunately I can't return the motherboard because I have had it for a couple month now. I even tried to update the bios to the very newest stable not beta bios. Wont buy another Gigabyte product again and I have been buying Gigabyte mobo's for something like 25 years now. I should have just went intel like you, but since x570 was so good I assumed x670 was going to be a good follow up upgrade. Very mad!!
My first instinct is builder error 89% of the time. Sounds like a mother board issue though.
did you update to latest bios ?where the ram on the qvl of the mainboard?
Yes, on AMD i tried all the BIOS on that board. I never look on QVL cos it means nothing. Sets that are on the list may not even work while others that are not on the qvl work perfectly fine.
XMP is not the same as EXPO the subtimings are tighter, yes the main timings might be the same but if you get into nitty gritty they ain't the same
With that cpu how is it running on windows 10 i was told windows 11 for 12th gen and 13th and i see you are running a 14700k.
I am running windows 11 tho. CPU runs fine, no issues so far. Some minor things but nothing can compare to AMD issue wise. RAM is also more stable.
Damn dude.
First I wish you all the best. I am all for people buying what they are comfortable with and What they Like.
But a few things.
Please Go and listen to some PROFESSIONALS like Long career overclockers talk about DDR especially DDR5.
When you Chase Numbers.
Im telling you this because I don't want you to self scam, more I don't really care if you use intel Or AMD or This new Chinese chip they have.
1st you have to Understand especially with DDR5 6000 is not a Guarantied in ALL conditions on a MB that supports DDR5. Even when The MB vendor lists it as compatible. It DOESN'T mean it will work 100%.
Like MB claims: SUPPORTS 7000Mhz is BS. They found 1 combination that MAYBE can do it and it's just a selling point.
But even they state its an XMP or AMP or DOCP. Not a Working Frequency.
Its like intel or AMD saying Boost up to 5.1Ghz. That doesnt mean your chip will, it means it has a chance to.
These numbers are basically like overclockers Charts where they have Maximum overclocks and Maximum safe Overclocks.
But even If they Are Maximum safe OC doesn't mean it's gonna work for you. JDEC is What HAS to be guaranteed to work or you have legal right to sue them for scam.
And you are the victim.
Advertised speeds are Maximum repeatable safe clocks they had but it doesnt mean your DDR will go there and be stable. It depends on at least 2 more Parts in your PC. And Not even class of Parts but literally You personal example. Your silicone.
It is because people Got used to Thinking that it WILL work because on 90% of cases it does. Its Not Manufacturers Absolute Confirmation it will work but Advertised possibility.
We did this to ourselves when we started claiming that number is almost guaranteed.
And yes there are companies that abuse it but We are the main ones to blame.
I had a Kit of Kingston HyperX Fury @ 1866Mhz CL10 that I overclocked to 2400Mhz CL11 worked like that With an AMD x4 760K for 5 years Never crashed even once or cause instability.
Could I Do it again. Probably Not even If I buy 20 More Kits of the same 16GB kit. Or maybe a few will work. That's my whole point.
UA-camrs are also to blame for this misinformation.
Chasing Clock for clock comparison is for people who do not understand tech. What are your Real word comparisons. AMD in Many cases on Lover DDR clock can Outperform intel in the same price range. Why dies it matter the Number is higher? If the Performance is better.
2nd. AMD and Intel archive same work in different ways.
They Use different Dyes and different configurations. Also 3D cache demands lover clocks because of temperature sensitivity. But At lower clocks will outperform competitions in Gaming. But it will lose in Productivity.
It's Like Saying Oh My new Mercedes AMG SL65 is Garbage because I had a Mazda RX8, and it revs to 9000Rpm and SL only revs to 7000Rpm.
If you are chasing Numbers to post on Forums lets not talk about Real Practical Results.
and one more thing be Mad as you wish Vendors for MB are Extremely Biased towards Platforms.
GigaJunk makes absolute trash even at high tier for AMD and I had NO issues with MSI and ASUS replacing the GigaJunk using all the same components on them.
I have 4 X570 Aorus Elite from them DEAD From PC I built 1 for me and 3 for Friends. All with the same issue. Sometimes it truns on, sometimes it doesn't. It works fine if it turns on, but if it restarts which can happen more often than other brands, it may choose not to start again.
When we RMA them They somehow start them and once they start on Stock clocks they work. But they tell you It works on Stock settings, a Top shelf Most expensive Board works only on stock clocks. WOW...
Same company that writes EXTRA DURABLE on their boards.
I don't know about you But the Gigabrick is very Old news since AM3 and Old i processors came out. You apply memory OC. Oooops better get your battery out.
And yes you are right Gigajunk doesn't want AMD.
Try MSi and ASUS, Asrock next time and see for yourself.
While On intel everything worked perfectly.
And this is 5 past generations Not AM5 and intel 1700.
So be careful when you talk shit without factual data.
If you feel Intel is better for you that is amazing and that is the right choice for you.
But please don't sell as intel said it recently snake oil to people. (talking shit about AMD re-relasing chips while 14Gen is a refresh of 13 gen)
I love My Mazda Lantis 323F.
I know there are tons of better cars out there but this one feels Best for me.
And If it is the best car ever made, cool.
If its Not ,that's fine because for me it is the best I have tried newer and older, and I will keep it as long as I can. Because it fits me as a glove.
i didnt read the whole thing you wrote but i agree with you. i build computer when i had to solder chipset and cmos to update its firmware and some case brought a brick motherboard. when it comes to new tech, there's always high chance its not stable. specially with ram, cpu and motherboard. the rest component doesn't matter much at most it just cause computer freeze or blue screen. normally manufacture have part is of brand of ram they tested that is compatible with the motherboard. a lot of people never understand changing and setting on the computer could cause unstable. even if it seem to work fine, there's might be a glitch happened in the background that user unaware - something that wont freeze the computer.
in some case even overclocking the ram could make the system slower as it could knock off timing of all system communication.
It's not that they don't want AMD to win AMD is there own worst enemy they hold themselves back but if you run Linux AMD is there open source drivers and all but that's 2% of the market so yeah the only thing holding AMD back is AMD.
Yep, I think Ryzen 7000 is an amazing cpu and AM5 has good potential but too many issues for me and that can Elbe related to AGESA and motherboard vendors. Both are the "blame". AMD just gives erratic agesa which is the micro code for the entire CPU and the motherboard vendors have to work with it cos they cannot change or alter that code.
ASUS does suck, they charge top dollar and have this killer rep, and all their tools an apps are broken garbage.
They are the worst man. I never buy assus again nor should anyone else.