Correction!: Dr. Kastrup misspoke at one point during the interview. He accidentally claims that Galileo was burned at the stake which is of course not correct. What he meant was that Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake. Kastrup also refers to Giordano Bruno in his writings.
Bernardo Kastrup has to be approaching a world record for interviews over an hour. I feel like he goes door to door with his own glass of water and asks people if they would like to interview him. He's certainly done his part in putting forward the idea of idealism. Congrats on a good interview. 👍
At 2:01 Bernardo Kastrup encapsulates the Gospel of Thomas saying of Christ: If you bring forth what is within you, it will save you. If you fail to bring forth what is within you, it will destroy you. It seems that because so many only "look outside" (at screens, any shiny object, etc.), we remain asleep and subject to destruction. Wonderfully done! Thank you for this conversation.
Thank you both for this discussion. There are many of us wrestling with issues of faith, transcendence and meaning, and often this leads to a sense of isolation. Being able to share in conversations like this is very encouraging and supportive on this journey.
I was watching this interview for three days. Thank you both for your courage and manliness. Bernardo Kastrup is in pure guidance of archangel Michael. No bullshit, no self-pity, warrior stance, sword. The great spirit of Schopenhauer is supporting him and giving him his clear tongue. The magic of Saint Benedict will take care of his life's path. The interview was approved and made valid by Kastrup's transcending cat. Meow 😻 🐈 🐈⬛️
This might be the most enjoyable Bernardo interview I've ever had the pleasure of watching. Great responses, great questions, production quality is perfect as far as I'm concerned. He seems slightly more comfortable and passionate during in-person interviews, this one shows it really well.
Interesting to hear about his evolution into philosophy coming from hard science. Impressive how he explains "pretty hard to get into" idea's in a straightforward, easy to digest way. Easygoing chemistry and flow between you guys here, great thoughtprovoking interview!
working as a craftsman the past 40 years, I admire and deeply respect the great cathedrals, churches tempels, pyramids etc. found worldwide. As said in this conversation. These are tangible results of a deep understanding and application of sacrifice and service (i.e.it is not about me), sometimes even trough several generations. Even today, with all our so called advanced technologies we are not able to create this kind combination of incredible balanced complex design and structures, resulting in this play of light, acoustics and the "feel and awe"" of space and silence. This, after centuries, even millennia
@@jacobjorgenson9285 it is not about money or materials, it is about ultimate collective and individual skill and even divine inspiration, which is very rare in our world today
I feel fortunate that BK has awakened me to the depth and value of Schopenhauer's thought. Seems to be some of the most fundamental knowledge related to our understanding of reality, life, experience, etc. As a counterbalance to the things AS conceived and described well, I would like to hear BK's comments on some of the "dark" or maybe "misguided" aspects of the AS corpus; particularly his ideas about women. Seems to have been some undigested psychic phenomena there...
I'd like to hear what Bernardo Kastrup, a philosopher and scientist who argues that there is a universal mind, has to say about the church in this age, but the video is too long. It would be more convenient to watch if you could break it up into chapters, and I would really appreciate it if you could do that. I think this would help spread the great content to more people who have similar interests to mine.
As someone who recently spent three years in a Catholic seminary, me and a brother seminarian would frequently use the phrase: "rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic." With great frustration. Unfortunately, in my experience, it seems as if the institutional church is composed primarily of professional bullshitters (see Harry Frankfurts essay 'On Bullshit'). There are far too many in positions of authority who either derive pleasure in patronising and gaslighting those they consider to be below them, or, if not consciously so, just don't have the capacity to realise how toxic their mindset can be. Nietzsche said that Christianity leads directly to the nihilistic age in which we live because it is inherently nihilistic itself. I think he may have had a point.. Where is the church in times of banality?.. well, for the Church to be able to accept that moral issues are not the most important thing it should be dealing with would be a minor miracle.. but to accept that the cold beige stone walls of the Church are seeping banality from its foundations directly into the groundwater of western culture...that would be a greater miracle than the death and resurrection of Christ.
i really appreciated this discussion, and thanks for uploading. Although as a westerner i find advaita as the most subtle tool to approach the big questions, (who am i or what am i ?,what is this all about? etc..)personally i am immersed in the non- dual path, but i understand Bernardo's need to approach transcendence via Christianity.
no, he said exactly what he wanted to say, because most likely he is not familiar with the biographical facts of galileo and bruno)) in another place he called schopenhauer robert, not arthur))... it looks like this video is a hoax.. to talk for two and a half hours to come to one single thought - that god wanted to test his mistakes on experience)) and that it is time to restore the church... maybe he is just a brazilian spy in europe.
These artificially generated subtitles are often wrong. For example at 1:30:35 Bernardo says "psychically ill" and the text reads "psychically evil". Big difference.
Right; the captions are not good enough on their own to enable adequate understanding of the conversation. Almost seems there should be a warning to people trying to follow the video using only the captions. I've seen this frequently; I assume it's due to some money-saving approach to converting sound to text, some algorithm maybe. Still need actual people to check the accuracy of such conversions. Otherwise, meaning can be garbled badly.
I humbly request that you put together a reading list for those of us who want to start reading the christian mystics. Also... Bernardo needs to write a book thats specific about christianity.
I would not say it is the beginning of free will. The 'will' has always been free, but it is a "fall" into what Bernardo Kastrup calls 'meta-consciousness' or self-consciousness. It is the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil", so eating from it starts let's say a moral sense of the world and the self. The moment we have this sense we also have the capability to imagine, create, alternative 'worlds'. That's like having the power of God in a reflected derivative way. We are, in other words, playing with God's power with all the possible dangers that comes with that power.
I think you are wrong if you think that all sense of meaning and transcendence is lost to us.The modern spiritual experience for a mass congregation is the concert, usually the rock concert. People do get uplifted by music and art. And in the past too, in the church it was music that was the vehicle that carried people out of themselves and brought them to a sense of being connected to something universal and intangible. We don't need to reconcile clergy with theologians to bring people back to that in church congregations. Leonard Cohen did it. And while mediaeval people needed glorious cathedrals to distract them from their drab lives and to intimate the spiritual to them, we don't. But we get it sometimes in a poem or indeed in the enthusiastic eloquence of Bernardo Kastrup. And we get it in love. Don't fall for the cynical view that all meaning has been drained from life because the church has fallen apart.
One day the following One-Paragraph Cosmovision will be THE Cosmovision of the whole of Humanity: "The Totality of Existence IS The Universal Mind asking: 'ARE YOU ANOTHER ME?'. Your answer determines your reality. 'No' brings suffering, 'Yes, I AM ANOTHER YOU!' reveals Cosmic Love. This is the ONLY real Freedom: choose your answer and live the consequences. THERE IS NOTHING MORE TO KNOW. Suffer or be happy." Want to indict me for writting it? Talk to my lawyer: Bernardo Kastrup. 😊
@2:14:00 the “story line” Bernardo discerns in the Bible has been extensively studied cross culturally by Michael Witzel (Harvard) in his 2012 book “The Origins of the World’s Mythologies” - to put it briefly it is not at all unique to the Bible but underlies literally most human mythologies - what Witzel terms “Laurasian” mythology and estimates originated with populations migrating out of Africa 45,000 years ago based on historical-comparative reconstruction and its extremely wide cross cultural presence.
@@imperfekt7905 ...and his level of intelligence)) The 20th century had an unpleasant tendency to declare all sorts of psychopathic charlatans philosophers
Kastrup asserts that Galileo was burned at the stake. He was not. And that assertion went unchallenged. A rather glaring detail that gives you pause when conceding credibility to other points on which the discussion depends.
Dr. Kastrup just misspoke here. He was actually talking about Giordano Bruno who was burned at the stake in 1600. Kastrup also refers to Giordano Bruno in his writings.
The one thing neither of you addressed in this otherwise interesting conversation was the denial of feminine principles/qualities in ‘the church’. I despair at Bernardo for this. Why do we value the latin mass more than Silence, for example? Why not quote some of the Gnostic texts, banned by the Early Church Fathers which held Silence as the ultimate relationship with Spirit? Where was Sophia/Wisdom, missing from your particularly patriarchal narrative, which arguably was originally The Holy Spirit, The Mother? Why not mention Quakerism which was - and still is - a singularly more healthy Christian approach to living in service to others (pacifists, tolerant, without dogma or hierarchy). Jung placed emphasis on the Coniunctio, the alchemical marriage of the opposites, as the ultimate goal of individuation. The Catholic Church has spent its history destroying - in every way conceivable - to deny the feminine aspect of humanity, to suppress and deny the female perspective. Surely that is worth a mention. And yet how many institutions are digging in to this appalling set of patriarchal values which still hammer on about the mansplaining of Life and how it is experienced. Yes, you both hit a wall here. And to me it’s blindingly obvious. I didn’t hear ONE single reference to anything other than blokes chatting about blokey things with ubiquitous masculine perspective and pronouns.
"Answer to Job" attempts to overturn the idea that evil is a privation of the good. If evil is not a privation of the good then good and evil are either subjective categories or there is an ontological evil. Thus, God would be either beyond good and evil or both good and evil. Jung was criticised by Fr White, amongst others, for this absurdity.
Bernardo Kastrup often repeats non-historical mythical nonsense about an _a priori_ conflict faith and science. Kastrup frequently refers to Giordano Bruno as a 'scientist' when in fact he was a speculative philosopher at best: "Bruno was not a scientist, and he cannot be said to have contributed to the scientific verification of the hypothesis [of Copernicus]" (Frederick Copleston). He was more of a Neo-Platonist interested in wild speculations than in science. So, please, let's not repeat the same old nonsense. And, Timothy, you should have challenged him a bit more!
BK seems to be an earnest, good person. To use the word Spouted is to impute a negative judgement of him. Why not just disagree courteously and respectfully, and focus on the content of the discussion instead of insulting the person you are disagreeing with?
@@imperfekt7905 I said that he should be challenged about repeating the Enlightenment myths about Galileo and Giordano Bruno (who wasn't even a scientist!). What Kastrup said was non-historical but he repeats this nonsense in lots of videos.
@@imperfekt7905 I am not sure what I did wrong other than use a word you dislike ("spout"). Kastrup likes to distance himself from Christianity, even though he is a cultural Christian.
Correction!: Dr. Kastrup misspoke at one point during the interview. He accidentally claims that Galileo was burned at the stake which is of course not correct. What he meant was that Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake. Kastrup also refers to Giordano Bruno in his writings.
Bernardo Kastrup has to be approaching a world record for interviews over an hour. I feel like he goes door to door with his own glass of water and asks people if they would like to interview him. He's certainly done his part in putting forward the idea of idealism. Congrats on a good interview. 👍
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At 2:01 Bernardo Kastrup encapsulates the Gospel of Thomas saying of Christ: If you bring forth what is within you, it will save you. If you fail to bring forth what is within you, it will destroy you. It seems that because so many only "look outside" (at screens, any shiny object, etc.), we remain asleep and subject to destruction. Wonderfully done! Thank you for this conversation.
Thank you both for this discussion. There are many of us wrestling with issues of faith, transcendence and meaning, and often this leads to a sense of isolation. Being able to share in conversations like this is very encouraging and supportive on this journey.
I was watching this interview for three days. Thank you both for your courage and manliness. Bernardo Kastrup is in pure guidance of archangel Michael. No bullshit, no self-pity, warrior stance, sword. The great spirit of Schopenhauer is supporting him and giving him his clear tongue. The magic of Saint Benedict will take care of his life's path. The interview was approved and made valid by Kastrup's transcending cat. Meow 😻 🐈 🐈⬛️
This is a fabulous interview!
This might be the most enjoyable Bernardo interview I've ever had the pleasure of watching. Great responses, great questions, production quality is perfect as far as I'm concerned. He seems slightly more comfortable and passionate during in-person interviews, this one shows it really well.
Loved the format and the clear Q and.A more clear to me than some other talk. And useful relevant for the spiritual life and church Thank you
Interesting to hear about his evolution into philosophy coming from hard science. Impressive how he explains "pretty hard to get into" idea's in a straightforward, easy to digest way. Easygoing chemistry and flow between you guys here, great thoughtprovoking interview!
Great guest, great public service. Thank you! Or, has we say in portuguese, "Obrigado".
Brilliantly relevant and so happy you both give transcendence and yr personal opinion and . attention
Great Interview 💥
working as a craftsman the past 40 years, I admire and deeply respect the great cathedrals,
churches tempels, pyramids etc. found worldwide. As said in this conversation. These are
tangible results of a deep understanding and application of sacrifice and service (i.e.it is not about me), sometimes even trough several generations. Even today, with all our so called advanced technologies we are not able to create this kind combination of incredible balanced complex design and structures, resulting in this play of light, acoustics and the "feel and awe"" of space and silence. This, after centuries, even millennia
We can create the work, but we don’t want to pay for it . Steel, concrete and glass is much much cheaper than stone
@@jacobjorgenson9285 it is not about money or materials, it is about ultimate
collective and individual skill and even divine inspiration, which is very rare in
our world today
What a delightful conversation!
Beautiful conversation. Subscribed
Great conversation! But one correction… it was Giordano Bruno that was burned at the stake in 1600, not Galileo.
Great interview, hope you guys talk again
I feel fortunate that BK has awakened me to the depth and value of Schopenhauer's thought. Seems to be some of the most fundamental knowledge related to our understanding of reality, life, experience, etc. As a counterbalance to the things AS conceived and described well, I would like to hear BK's comments on some of the "dark" or maybe "misguided" aspects of the AS corpus; particularly his ideas about women. Seems to have been some undigested psychic phenomena there...
I knew that was Bernardo on the thumbnail! He’s one of my favorite humans!
I'd like to hear what Bernardo Kastrup, a philosopher and scientist who argues that there is a universal mind, has to say about the church in this age, but the video is too long.
It would be more convenient to watch if you could break it up into chapters, and I would really appreciate it if you could do that.
I think this would help spread the great content to more people who have similar interests to mine.
The greatest breakthroughs in science occurred first through pure thought. Einstein's revolution is a case in point.
Timestamps would be really useful
As someone who recently spent three years in a Catholic seminary, me and a brother seminarian would frequently use the phrase: "rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic." With great frustration. Unfortunately, in my experience, it seems as if the institutional church is composed primarily of professional bullshitters (see Harry Frankfurts essay 'On Bullshit'). There are far too many in positions of authority who either derive pleasure in patronising and gaslighting those they consider to be below them, or, if not consciously so, just don't have the capacity to realise how toxic their mindset can be. Nietzsche said that Christianity leads directly to the nihilistic age in which we live because it is inherently nihilistic itself. I think he may have had a point.. Where is the church in times of banality?.. well, for the Church to be able to accept that moral issues are not the most important thing it should be dealing with would be a minor miracle.. but to accept that the cold beige stone walls of the Church are seeping banality from its foundations directly into the groundwater of western culture...that would be a greater miracle than the death and resurrection of Christ.
Brilliant discussion ! 👍.
An important conversation between two thoughtful men of god. May there be many more.
This was great
In Latvian we have a word for gezelligheid (Dutch) or hygge (Danish), too. It's Omulība. Pronounced Oowmooleeba. 😊
i really appreciated this discussion, and thanks for uploading.
Although as a westerner i find advaita as the most subtle tool to approach the big questions, (who am i or what am i ?,what is this all about? etc..)personally i am immersed in the non- dual path, but i understand Bernardo's need to approach transcendence via Christianity.
Loved it. Would like to have transcript available to follow along. Thank You
Please enable captions and subtitles.
20:16 Bernardo meant to say Filippo Bruno.
Yes. Galileo died at home, of "natural causes" aged 77.
you meant to say Giordano Bruno
@@boulderguitarcoach5269 No, I meant Filippo. It was his birth name.
no, he said exactly what he wanted to say, because most likely he is not familiar with the biographical facts of galileo and bruno)) in another place he called schopenhauer robert, not arthur))... it looks like this video is a hoax.. to talk for two and a half hours to come to one single thought - that god wanted to test his mistakes on experience)) and that it is time to restore the church... maybe he is just a brazilian spy in europe.
Obrigado Bernado! Como sempe genial e profundo. Gigante! ,,🇧🇷
But of course, you wait for the green light in the middle of the night! In the post Sovjet Union area, we don't even try to fart without permission.
These artificially generated subtitles are often wrong. For example at 1:30:35 Bernardo says "psychically ill" and the text reads "psychically evil". Big difference.
Right; the captions are not good enough on their own to enable adequate understanding of the conversation. Almost seems there should be a warning to people trying to follow the video using only the captions. I've seen this frequently; I assume it's due to some money-saving approach to converting sound to text, some algorithm maybe. Still need actual people to check the accuracy of such conversions. Otherwise, meaning can be garbled badly.
Which book of Schopenhauers ideas, in Dutch, do you recommend to read? If I may ask
I humbly request that you put together a reading list for those of us who want to start reading the christian mystics.
Also... Bernardo needs to write a book thats specific about christianity.
Would you be so kind as to comment or put in the show notes the referenced Schopenhauer works?
Great interview, thanks - do you think that the eating of the fruit of the tree of knowledge was the beginning of free will for mankind?
I would not say it is the beginning of free will. The 'will' has always been free, but it is a "fall" into what Bernardo Kastrup calls 'meta-consciousness' or self-consciousness. It is the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil", so eating from it starts let's say a moral sense of the world and the self. The moment we have this sense we also have the capability to imagine, create, alternative 'worlds'. That's like having the power of God in a reflected derivative way. We are, in other words, playing with God's power with all the possible dangers that comes with that power.
I think you are wrong if you think that all sense of meaning and transcendence is lost to us.The modern spiritual experience for a mass congregation is the concert, usually the rock concert. People do get uplifted by music and art. And in the past too, in the church it was music that was the vehicle that carried people out of themselves and brought them to a sense of being connected to something universal and intangible. We don't need to reconcile clergy with theologians to bring people back to that in church congregations. Leonard Cohen did it. And while mediaeval people needed glorious cathedrals to distract them from their drab lives and to intimate the spiritual to them, we don't. But we get it sometimes in a poem or indeed in the enthusiastic eloquence of Bernardo Kastrup. And we get it in love. Don't fall for the cynical view that all meaning has been drained from life because the church has fallen apart.
One day the following One-Paragraph Cosmovision will be THE Cosmovision of the whole of Humanity:
"The Totality of Existence IS The Universal Mind asking: 'ARE YOU ANOTHER ME?'. Your answer determines your reality. 'No' brings suffering, 'Yes, I AM ANOTHER YOU!' reveals Cosmic Love. This is the ONLY real Freedom: choose your answer and live the consequences. THERE IS NOTHING MORE TO KNOW. Suffer or be happy."
Want to indict me for writting it? Talk to my lawyer: Bernardo Kastrup. 😊
@2:14:00 the “story line” Bernardo discerns in the Bible has been extensively studied cross culturally by Michael Witzel (Harvard) in his 2012 book “The Origins of the World’s Mythologies” - to put it briefly it is not at all unique to the Bible but underlies literally most human mythologies - what Witzel terms “Laurasian” mythology and estimates originated with populations migrating out of Africa 45,000 years ago based on historical-comparative reconstruction and its extremely wide cross cultural presence.
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While I generally like what Dr. Kastrup brings to the table, his essentializing notions like western and eastern minds is pretty silly.
Doing a Bible series a la Peterson Bernado? 😊
All this, the musical note, the will and life as such, are described in the Tibetan Book of the Dead. Schopenhauer was late with his revelations.
LOL, Schopenhauer was somewhat constrained by the date of his birth.
@@imperfekt7905 ...and his level of intelligence))
The 20th century had an unpleasant tendency to declare all sorts of psychopathic charlatans philosophers
You look like you are from a bruegel painting i mean this with the utmost respect, i hereby initiate you into the internet
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Kastrup asserts that Galileo was burned at the stake. He was not. And that assertion went unchallenged. A rather glaring detail that gives you pause when conceding credibility to other points on which the discussion depends.
Dr. Kastrup just misspoke here. He was actually talking about Giordano Bruno who was burned at the stake in 1600. Kastrup also refers to Giordano Bruno in his writings.
The one thing neither of you addressed in this otherwise interesting conversation was the denial of feminine principles/qualities in ‘the church’. I despair at Bernardo for this. Why do we value the latin mass more than Silence, for example? Why not quote some of the Gnostic texts, banned by the Early Church Fathers which held Silence as the ultimate relationship with Spirit? Where was Sophia/Wisdom, missing from your particularly patriarchal narrative, which arguably was originally The Holy Spirit, The Mother? Why not mention Quakerism which was - and still is - a singularly more healthy Christian approach to living in service to others (pacifists, tolerant, without dogma or hierarchy).
Jung placed emphasis on the Coniunctio, the alchemical marriage of the opposites, as the ultimate goal of individuation. The Catholic Church has spent its history destroying - in every way conceivable - to deny the feminine aspect of humanity, to suppress and deny the female perspective. Surely that is worth a mention. And yet how many institutions are digging in to this appalling set of patriarchal values which still hammer on about the mansplaining of Life and how it is experienced. Yes, you both hit a wall here. And to me it’s blindingly obvious. I didn’t hear ONE single reference to anything other than blokes chatting about blokey things with ubiquitous masculine perspective and pronouns.
Women are expected to silently sacrifice our entire lives in service of men. For little or nothing in return.
"Answer to Job" attempts to overturn the idea that evil is a privation of the good. If evil is not a privation of the good then good and evil are either subjective categories or there is an ontological evil. Thus, God would be either beyond good and evil or both good and evil. Jung was criticised by Fr White, amongst others, for this absurdity.
Bernardo Kastrup often repeats non-historical mythical nonsense about an _a priori_ conflict faith and science. Kastrup frequently refers to Giordano Bruno as a 'scientist' when in fact he was a speculative philosopher at best: "Bruno was not a scientist, and he cannot be said to have contributed to the scientific verification of the hypothesis [of Copernicus]" (Frederick Copleston). He was more of a Neo-Platonist interested in wild speculations than in science. So, please, let's not repeat the same old nonsense. And, Timothy, you should have challenged him a bit more!
Christianity and 'the church' is banal.
You should have challenged the Enlightenment anti-Christian myths that Kastrup spouted.
BK seems to be an earnest, good person. To use the word Spouted is to impute a negative judgement of him. Why not just disagree courteously and respectfully, and focus on the content of the discussion instead of insulting the person you are disagreeing with?
@@imperfekt7905 I said that he should be challenged about repeating the Enlightenment myths about Galileo and Giordano Bruno (who wasn't even a scientist!). What Kastrup said was non-historical but he repeats this nonsense in lots of videos.
@@imperfekt7905 I am not sure what I did wrong other than use a word you dislike ("spout"). Kastrup likes to distance himself from Christianity, even though he is a cultural Christian.
From the oppression of women to the current oppression of LGBTQ+ folk… had more than I can take of this religion.