Hi Elltielle! I am still working on the perfect solution. For this test I think I had about 46 kg, of which 30 was in the main/forward storage compartment. Realistically speaking the extra buoyancy I had in was not usefully attached, so didn't have any effect. The weight distribution while sailing was not great, I felt the boat was too nose heavy like this, but the total weight wasn't far off. The last time I went sailing I had 34 kg on board, with just 10 kg in the main storage and 24 just aft of the dagger board case in two water containers, one on each side. This felt fine for sailing, but I didn't do a capsize test. My current 'next plan' is to try and use the two storage compartments either side of the mirage drive box as water ballast tanks. For that I need to sort a pump system of some kind, but I think the location and size is probably about right. Reading through the books written in the late 1800's once people moved on from the 'Rob Roy' type canoes, they quickly started adding quite a lot of ballast to them (at least in the UK - I think things may have developed differently in the US). I did use the hull as a paddling canoe during the summer with great success, and we filled it completely full of gear and kids, no idea how much weight we had on board, but me 2 kids and the forwards and aft storage full, and it worked really well, so the hull can certainly support a big load. For buoyancy, I currently have these four fenders tied tightly to fittings that I screwed into the shear clamp, so they are right up inside, under the deck, but I am not sure really how useful they are, as I have not done a capsize test since making that change from what you see in this video. Good luck with your tests! I know Dillon is working on some outriggers for the design, so it will be interesting to see where that goes. check out the Forum on Fyne boat kits, there are a few of us there discussing these details! G
@@guyhall6241 sorry just got to jump in. I love your long reply. I leave long comments hope you don't mind . have you ever capsized in open water yet ? and do you know what the conditions are when you capsize ? "rough" . the capsize test in the video. those conditions is purely to see if it will sink straight to the bottom. And testing where your feet can't touch the bottom is radically different, from standing there and self-supporting yourself. everybody believes they can do it until it happens ,and you're never ready. We sailed around the world without outriggers. Ballast is the only way to go, unless you're already using a boat trailer. And put an outboard on it. I sail my canoe in Open water. I live on the coast of Florida. After watching your capsized test I'd bring a waterproof cell phone. Two sand bags will fix all your problems in that canoe. 100 lbs of glued to the floor movable ballast. I hope you didn't find anything I said rude. I will tell you my friend went over last weekend in a 15 ft Grumman aluminum sailing canoe and a 32sqf lug .couldn't self rescue had to be saved by friendly boaters .and when he got back to the beach he canceled our trip, and went home. Ran out of energy trying to save his stuff. choices have to be made when you capsize. I haven't watched any of the other videos and I'm busy commenting to you on here so if you don't mind I'm going to watch a few and comment.
@@Jarrod_D Hi Jarrod! great to see others with interest in messing about in small boats. Yes, I have capsized in open water, and got back in and emptied out all fine. During that experience I did have some extra water ballast on board that helped a lot. I am currently working on some outriggers (a new kit from CLC - the kit's designers). There are others in the UK who have reduced the rig size, and also a steel centreboard, which added something like 20kg of ballast in just the right place! He says it's transformed the boat.
Really good test and mostly good camera work. Well done to the kids. This design has surprisingly good stability and doesn't want to turn turtle. I would not add a metal centre plate, as one of the main advantages of canoes is the low transport weight. Adding some water bottles and fastening them down seems a good solution. I don't see what the point of the fender under the boat was. All in all, seems like a good, safe boat. I will have to view some videos of her sailing.
Well I appreciate the video .I love messing around with little boats.
Interesting tests, I still need to do these next spring with my Waterlust.
What was your conclusion on ballast and air, how much did you put where?
Hi Elltielle! I am still working on the perfect solution. For this test I think I had about 46 kg, of which 30 was in the main/forward storage compartment. Realistically speaking the extra buoyancy I had in was not usefully attached, so didn't have any effect. The weight distribution while sailing was not great, I felt the boat was too nose heavy like this, but the total weight wasn't far off. The last time I went sailing I had 34 kg on board, with just 10 kg in the main storage and 24 just aft of the dagger board case in two water containers, one on each side. This felt fine for sailing, but I didn't do a capsize test. My current 'next plan' is to try and use the two storage compartments either side of the mirage drive box as water ballast tanks. For that I need to sort a pump system of some kind, but I think the location and size is probably about right. Reading through the books written in the late 1800's once people moved on from the 'Rob Roy' type canoes, they quickly started adding quite a lot of ballast to them (at least in the UK - I think things may have developed differently in the US). I did use the hull as a paddling canoe during the summer with great success, and we filled it completely full of gear and kids, no idea how much weight we had on board, but me 2 kids and the forwards and aft storage full, and it worked really well, so the hull can certainly support a big load. For buoyancy, I currently have these four fenders tied tightly to fittings that I screwed into the shear clamp, so they are right up inside, under the deck, but I am not sure really how useful they are, as I have not done a capsize test since making that change from what you see in this video. Good luck with your tests! I know Dillon is working on some outriggers for the design, so it will be interesting to see where that goes. check out the Forum on Fyne boat kits, there are a few of us there discussing these details! G
@@guyhall6241 sorry just got to jump in. I love your long reply. I leave long comments hope you don't mind .
have you ever capsized in open water yet ? and do you know what the conditions are when you capsize ? "rough" . the capsize test in the video. those conditions is purely to see if it will sink straight to the bottom. And testing where your feet can't touch the bottom is radically different, from standing there and self-supporting yourself. everybody believes they can do it until it happens ,and you're never ready.
We sailed around the world without outriggers.
Ballast is the only way to go, unless you're already using a boat trailer. And put an outboard on it. I sail my canoe in Open water. I live on the coast of Florida. After watching your capsized test I'd bring a waterproof cell phone.
Two sand bags will fix all your problems in that canoe. 100 lbs of glued to the floor movable ballast. I hope you didn't find anything I said rude. I will tell you my friend went over last weekend in a 15 ft Grumman aluminum sailing canoe and a 32sqf lug .couldn't self rescue had to be saved by friendly boaters .and when he got back to the beach he canceled our trip, and went home. Ran out of energy trying to save his stuff. choices have to be made when you capsize.
I haven't watched any of the other videos and I'm busy commenting to you on here so if you don't mind I'm going to watch a few and comment.
@@Jarrod_D Hi Jarrod! great to see others with interest in messing about in small boats. Yes, I have capsized in open water, and got back in and emptied out all fine. During that experience I did have some extra water ballast on board that helped a lot. I am currently working on some outriggers (a new kit from CLC - the kit's designers). There are others in the UK who have reduced the rig size, and also a steel centreboard, which added something like 20kg of ballast in just the right place! He says it's transformed the boat.
@@guyhall6241 well thank you for the reply I appreciate it. 😊
Really good test and mostly good camera work. Well done to the kids. This design has surprisingly good stability and doesn't want to turn turtle. I would not add a metal centre plate, as one of the main advantages of canoes is the low transport weight. Adding some water bottles and fastening them down seems a good solution. I don't see what the point of the fender under the boat was. All in all, seems like a good, safe boat. I will have to view some videos of her sailing.