And just in case there's any confusion, No, Keffals never helped the trans community. Even the people who think Keffals is good, that's the blind leading the blind. Someone being thankful that a dozed drug addled loser parrots their beliefs back to them and is consistent white noise is someone who is not being done a favor.
Keffals and her posse are already trying to discredit the video just for the thumbnail. Anybody that has an issue with the thumbnail probably has some underlying transphobia themselves.
That’s the crazy part. I’ve yet to see anyone actually try and refute points from the video. It’s literally JUST the thumbnail is what they’re being pissy about. Priorities, ig.
@@grumblemumble955keffals' audience still doesn't know that they were scammed. She said she was fundraising for a lawsuit that was just a drug fueled vacay. Willymac covered it a couple years ago when it happened.
True if it was literally any other hormone or drug they were teaching children to make there would be no conversation but since it's hormones people try to look at it more positively even though it can seriously damage someone's mental state and health especially if they have unknown mental or health problems.
I know. This is what I came to the comment section looking for. I think his eventual take wasn't the worst, but man it felt like he was bending over backwards to excuse a strange adult sending someone's kid drugs. If you can't criticize a trans person for overstepping boundaries with a child aren't you implying there's some inherent connection to avoid? Because any other adult would be viewed as a potential danger in the same situation
35:03 i feel your pain. called ahead to a local ice cream place to ask if they still had coffee flavor left and that place had amazing coffee flavored ice-cream. i get there and the person tells me "oh we just gave the last of it away" entire year ruined
Around 80% of adolescents who are diagnosed with gender dysphoria actually end up growing out of it with puberty, even when they are professionally diagnosed. That’s why it’s such an incredibly sensitive topic to touch on, and providing these pathways towards hormones is INCREDIBLY dangerous and illegal.
That's why doctors wait until you're an adult before perscribing those medications. I know many of those same medications are used for other purposes for different cases, but that's another story.
@@BeyondBaito then why are doctors prescribing puberty blockers at ages 12-13 and starting hormones at the ages of 16-18, if seen 16 year olds seeking too surgery and getting top surgery, even if it is a low percentage there is an incredibly small amount of research on adolescents with gender dysphoria and most of them that do exist are inconclusive because they’re not over yet. How is this is a good idea, to basically use teenagers as science experiments before they even hit puberty….
@@BeyondBaito And those cases are pretty straight forward. If you are born intersex you'll want to physically commit in some kind of way and if you have precocious puberty, you have to have blockers to prevent the disabilities that come from going into puberty way too early.
That's why I will never get behind the concept of trying to give minors hormones. Going through puberty is already confusing time. Why would you want to put more mental and emotional pressure on a child?!?
You're cherrypicking the data, 80% of the people with gender dysphoria that detranstition is because of the absence of familly support, they still have gender dysphoria.
I could be wrong, but I don’t think he said him. I think he said em short for them. I know it’s common where I live. So idk if he even said him honestly.
with way before you mean a year or 2 right ? destiny ocassionally talked politics but he became a political streamer only in late 2016 and hasan started in late 2017
Otoko-no-hito means man, otoko-no-ko means boy. If you're seeing otoko-no-ko in pornographic contexts, this could definitely involve feminisation, but the word itself just means boy or young boy.
Like I’m trans and I think kids under 16 should only be allowed to take hormone blockers since they are completely reversible. And not actual hormones.
BadEmpanada and SecondThought are two socialist youtubers and streamers that were attacked by keffals, vaush and another guy I forgot the name of. They also persecuted a bunch more, like Yakim and LunaOi, who are communists youtubers.
Transfer addiction works the other way too as why so many people including myself get fat when they get clean unfortunately though for me you don't lose the weight when you get back on the drugs LOL
I was subscribed to Keffals for a short time cause I watched her video on Ana Kasparian from TYT and liked it. Soon unsubscribed cause I couldn’t sit through any of her other videos and was really icked out by her Chris Chan interview. I like her less the more I learn about her
Same. I was subscribed when she defended Finnster one time and because she was a leftist streamer with a bit of the same humor as me. After that Lanza video about Keffels , I understood why a lot of people disliked her.
I dunno, this is kinda one of those 4d chess Rune Level 7 situations where whatever amount of right you are is offset by Kiwifarms being destroyed, and the lack of actual stakes. Honestly does feel like she was overly brigaded for being trans and lefty. Like, even if we go with her doing the bad things, why did SOG, a 2m channel, cover it when she had a major falling out with SOG friends, Kiwifarms. The maths weird.
I think it is crazy for her to say the r slur, and be like lol its whatever, but if you say a slur for trans people she loses her shit. Like no one should say either, but you cant have your cake and eat it too, smh
Still kinda miffed that he used a sketch of PlegueMoth instead of Keffals to represent her. Even if she harmed the trans community, show her face, not a PlegueMoth police sketch
The farms are great. 99.9% of the people you watch on stream get all of their information from there since it aggregates information about most key sources on one place. It’s Wikipedia for controversial internet figures. That and it teaches people that are Ingratiated in internet hug boxes to have thicker skin. If you are a far left or right figure that gets a thread there and sees people joking around using the worst words imaginable to describe small indiscretions it gives them a +2 armor to criticism almost instantly.
No it doesn't make it ok. Being wronged or hurt by someone doesn't mean you get to hurt them back or lie/Exaggerate. This all assumes you aren't a Keffelz loyalist and trying to save face for her.
Exaggerating is one thing--still really shitty to do It's another when you use those exaggerations to steal pity money from your fans who think you're being harassed
Papa really made this video with the intent to tell the story of his spinach mushroom calzone
Pretty much.
Don’t forget his wife is a social worker
@@fedorahatguys7979And he was big on TikTok at one point.
Clara has literally done so much to harm the trans community, more than she’s ever helped it - that’s for sure.
Just wait until the collab with Chris Chan
Edit: so it seems that has already happened…
Nah , she is just an excuse for what people already believe funny how that logic only applies to trans people
@@mrgaudy1954YOURE LYING 😭😭
And just in case there's any confusion, No, Keffals never helped the trans community. Even the people who think Keffals is good, that's the blind leading the blind. Someone being thankful that a dozed drug addled loser parrots their beliefs back to them and is consistent white noise is someone who is not being done a favor.
@saucetiny Yeah but she made it private.
Keffals and her posse are already trying to discredit the video just for the thumbnail. Anybody that has an issue with the thumbnail probably has some underlying transphobia themselves.
That’s the crazy part. I’ve yet to see anyone actually try and refute points from the video. It’s literally JUST the thumbnail is what they’re being pissy about.
Priorities, ig.
Yeah, the artist who did the thumbnail draws cis people the same way as well.
@@grumblemumble955keffals' audience still doesn't know that they were scammed. She said she was fundraising for a lawsuit that was just a drug fueled vacay. Willymac covered it a couple years ago when it happened.
It's a weird move imo, why promote the vid's existence haha a few keffals fans might watch and convert
@@aynala8095 its actually the opposite, if you can discredit the video then her fans dont need a reason to watch it and can write it off
1:57:00
THERE IS NO 2 SCENARIOS. They shouldn't be selling stuff to minors, and bragging about it being unnoticed by parents
True if it was literally any other hormone or drug they were teaching children to make there would be no conversation but since it's hormones people try to look at it more positively even though it can seriously damage someone's mental state and health especially if they have unknown mental or health problems.
I know. This is what I came to the comment section looking for. I think his eventual take wasn't the worst, but man it felt like he was bending over backwards to excuse a strange adult sending someone's kid drugs. If you can't criticize a trans person for overstepping boundaries with a child aren't you implying there's some inherent connection to avoid? Because any other adult would be viewed as a potential danger in the same situation
Papa gut has a very nice voice
You should see the Twitter war in his post classic Keffals deflection worked everyone is honing in on the thumbnail rather than the content itself
Not that Twitter is a good example of anyone with an attention span focusing on something important.
After having been through the Twitter cesspool led by Keffals' fans, this video made me feel sane again. Big ups, Papa.
Her new boyfriend must be called Justice since she keeps saying she wants to see Justice.
So sad i missed this live but happy i get to watch it now. Love ya papa keep up the good work brother
Man I’m so glad I stumbled across you on tiktok you’re very funny and also hella relatable. You’re pretty neat.
I sincerely appreciate papa gut's charitability but I assign more malice to keffals, they're not naive imo
Papa gut
Somebody had to say it
I second this notion
This guy carries the boats
spinach and mushroom calzone sounds yummy ngl
i love the idea of madison beer still being a viewer lmfao
Off the percs, benz, Colombian snow, and that adhd powder? Maybe keffals was more based than I knew
I waited so fucking long for this.
It's just a retelling of the Destiny manifesto. I was hoping for some new revelations.
papa gut on average pauses the video once every 7 seconds lol, honestly wild
1:51:10 the HARAM text is so hilarious 😂.
35:03 i feel your pain. called ahead to a local ice cream place to ask if they still had coffee flavor left and that place had amazing coffee flavored ice-cream. i get there and the person tells me "oh we just gave the last of it away" entire year ruined
Around 80% of adolescents who are diagnosed with gender dysphoria actually end up growing out of it with puberty, even when they are professionally diagnosed. That’s why it’s such an incredibly sensitive topic to touch on, and providing these pathways towards hormones is INCREDIBLY dangerous and illegal.
That's why doctors wait until you're an adult before perscribing those medications.
I know many of those same medications are used for other purposes for different cases, but that's another story.
@@BeyondBaito then why are doctors prescribing puberty blockers at ages 12-13 and starting hormones at the ages of 16-18, if seen 16 year olds seeking too surgery and getting top surgery, even if it is a low percentage there is an incredibly small amount of research on adolescents with gender dysphoria and most of them that do exist are inconclusive because they’re not over yet. How is this is a good idea, to basically use teenagers as science experiments before they even hit puberty….
@@BeyondBaito And those cases are pretty straight forward. If you are born intersex you'll want to physically commit in some kind of way and if you have precocious puberty, you have to have blockers to prevent the disabilities that come from going into puberty way too early.
That's why I will never get behind the concept of trying to give minors hormones. Going through puberty is already confusing time. Why would you want to put more mental and emotional pressure on a child?!?
You're cherrypicking the data, 80% of the people with gender dysphoria that detranstition is because of the absence of familly support, they still have gender dysphoria.
I could be wrong, but I don’t think he said him. I think he said em short for them. I know it’s common where I live. So idk if he even said him honestly.
Destiny was doing political content WAY before hassan was a thing. Hasan got bigger tho
He knows. He is mocking that Hasan "i paved my own way" bs
@@leodamasceno1765 oh, alright then. Ive never watched hasan so i didnt know that was a thing. Thanks
with way before you mean a year or 2 right ?
destiny ocassionally talked politics but he became a political streamer only in late 2016 and hasan started in late 2017
Indeed, at least destiny is actually somewhat likable.
That joke rlly flew over your head huh?
Lol Nathan Fielder presents: CatBoy Ranch!
Also, the word “otokonoko” basically means femboy, and is a little bit closely associated with pownogwaphy
It doesn't mean femboy, but it does mean young boy. Which is still bad in the context of this video.
@@rahulpanuganti4623 shonen or otoko (contextually) would mean young boy, otonoko describes a feminine presentation of a boy, I.e femboy
Otoko-no-hito means man, otoko-no-ko means boy. If you're seeing otoko-no-ko in pornographic contexts, this could definitely involve feminisation, but the word itself just means boy or young boy.
Is it just me, or does Japan always have suspicious media involving small kids or characters?
Wow, Incredible.
Xanderhall is eating good this week
poppy gutty
Trueee
Just started watching your videos. So this is WingsOfRedemption good ending+actual beard. Nice.
When they say london theyre talking about london ontario canada. I go to school there lmao
5:50 DIY Ozempic
My wife went to University with the Baby Reindeer guy. She doesn't have many nice things to say about him either 😬
At least during the Christmas special, he was a nice extra in the reindeer scene.
If the "r-slur" is a slur then so are the words "dumb" "moron" "stupid" and "imbecile" among hundreds of others
Why did the male transgender not eat meat??? He was a herbefore / Herbivore
You're welcome. That joke is a 10/10
Like I’m trans and I think kids under 16 should only be allowed to take hormone blockers since they are completely reversible. And not actual hormones.
15:54 how they dropping an “Idiocracy” reference
BadEmpanada and SecondThought are two socialist youtubers and streamers that were attacked by keffals, vaush and another guy I forgot the name of. They also persecuted a bunch more, like Yakim and LunaOi, who are communists youtubers.
39:30 ...to make that potato salad
Close to the vest brother
I haven't seen any arguments against anything in the video, just people screeching about the thumbnail.
Transfer addiction works the other way too as why so many people including myself get fat when they get clean unfortunately though for me you don't lose the weight when you get back on the drugs LOL
James is still alive
I was subscribed to Keffals for a short time cause I watched her video on Ana Kasparian from TYT and liked it. Soon unsubscribed cause I couldn’t sit through any of her other videos and was really icked out by her Chris Chan interview. I like her less the more I learn about her
Same. I was subscribed when she defended Finnster one time and because she was a leftist streamer with a bit of the same humor as me. After that Lanza video about Keffels , I understood why a lot of people disliked her.
“Is this her idea of a joke” is so funny coming from papa gut 💀
What did you think of mutas vid?
@@desmondbush8804 it was good
I dunno, this is kinda one of those 4d chess Rune Level 7 situations where whatever amount of right you are is offset by Kiwifarms being destroyed, and the lack of actual stakes. Honestly does feel like she was overly brigaded for being trans and lefty. Like, even if we go with her doing the bad things, why did SOG, a 2m channel, cover it when she had a major falling out with SOG friends, Kiwifarms. The maths weird.
His big on Facebook fb clips too
I think it is crazy for her to say the r slur, and be like lol its whatever, but if you say a slur for trans people she loses her shit. Like no one should say either, but you cant have your cake and eat it too, smh
Still kinda miffed that he used a sketch of PlegueMoth instead of Keffals to represent her.
Even if she harmed the trans community, show her face, not a PlegueMoth police sketch
Algo
The farms are great. 99.9% of the people you watch on stream get all of their information from there since it aggregates information about most key sources on one place. It’s Wikipedia for controversial internet figures.
That and it teaches people that are Ingratiated in internet hug boxes to have thicker skin. If you are a far left or right figure that gets a thread there and sees people joking around using the worst words imaginable to describe small indiscretions it gives them a +2 armor to criticism almost instantly.
Meh
2:39:15
I don’t think half of it was that bad. Like I would probably exaggerate people doing wrong stuff to me too. Screw em if they wronged me.
two wrongs don't make a right
It's the whole creating a false narrative to garner fame and wealth thing that's gonna be off-putting.
No it doesn't make it ok. Being wronged or hurt by someone doesn't mean you get to hurt them back or lie/Exaggerate.
This all assumes you aren't a Keffelz loyalist and trying to save face for her.
Exaggerating is one thing--still really shitty to do
It's another when you use those exaggerations to steal pity money from your fans who think you're being harassed
Im glad what you think vs what's reality are 2 different things
I genuinely cannot tell if the wrestling joke was a reference to Bra and Panties matches in the WWE in the 2000s
Very pogger papa gut