We tested the battlefield baiting aspect some years ago. The idea is that shield user opens up to lure opposing spear to commit to a thrust. Then the spear next to shield guy thrusts at the opposing spearman at the same time. It's a fun training exercise. Try to kill the shieldman with a spear, without getting killed by a spear. You need three persons to try it: one shield, and two spears.
Yes, after I go over my interpretation of the basic techniques the next step is to see if I can get more people involved and show how it is used within the formation!
Thanks everyone for watching! And special thanks to me brother for helping me record this video! Also, I realize that I should have included a better explanation of why I suspect that “ride the dragon” may be referring to an ao bu. Basically, another author named Wu Shu 吳殳 wrote the text “A Record of Arms” 手臂錄. In this spear manual, he has a posture called Riding the Dragon which he describes as “An ao bu spear method”.
Rattan shields with swords were once very popular in my hometown of Taiwan. My grandfathers all learned it, but unfortunately it is now on the verge of being lost. I am glad to see such a detailed and in-depth analysis. Thank you for your help. share! brother!
I believe the move is demonstrated by Wim Lam in this Hung Gar video several times: ua-cam.com/video/6p1YF8hYp_s/v-deo.html first one at 10:00 seconds. The position change by jumping is shown better in the later moves. It's a good move against spears and polearms, and comes out of necessity when fighting against spears coming from multiple directions. In one on one situation you can use it as a bait, and push spear or polearm to the right while moving in. In fighting, it does not matter where the shield is as long as you can parry on time. Sometimes one needs to parry backwards, and then the shield ends up there, like in the pictures.
Very interesting. I didn't know that there were any shield routines still around. It seems that the North and the South both preserved aspects of General Qi's methods.
We usually say 順步 for put same side hand and foot infront and 坳步 for cross, like you put right hand in front,you put left foot in front, too. And I think 坳步 or 騎龍 is a ready for jumping. After you use your sheild to push opponent's weapon out, you would have a window to jump in and you could be very close to him. So you use your sheild to push him hard. I think it's the meaning of 挨 and 靠. I would try to make a video soon.
Im guessing formation battles can be very tiring and soldiers wouldn't be able to jab continuously for hours so they tend to be conservative and won't attack at your shield since it will only tire themselves out. This leads to stagnated battles where progression is slow and armies aren't making much progress on eachother which is why the practice of baiting your enemy would be employed to draw them out to attack first which you would then deflect their spears and engage once they exposed themselves.
Thanks for watching! To be honest there is still a lot that we don’t know about exactly what is was like to experience a battle on the ground in this time period. Luring an already weary or extremely cautious enemy to attack could be very useful.
Thanks for watching, the manual states that in formation the shield is basically just supposed to provide cover for spearman who do most of the damage to the enemy.
Thanks for watching! I made this one myself because I was not satisfied with the quality of the ones I found online and shipping is also very expensive.
I guess I didn’t explain clearly. Those are just different editions of this manual originally written by Qi Jiguang. I consult a variety of different historical editions which date from the 16th and 17th centuries for my interpretation. Sometimes there can be slight variations in the names or images of the posture which can help to get a more well rounded view of things. There are a few other textual descriptions of rattan shield use, but unfortunately most of them are very short (only a couple lines) and not as comprehensive as Qi Jiguang’s manual
The principle of using a "bad" shield stance to bait reminded me of this article: byzantineoplomachia wordpress the-reverse-shield-guard-the-discovery-of-a-byzantine-guard-hiding-in-plain-sight I've since used this concept in HEMA sparring, essentially holding the buckler to the chest to bait an attack to the arm, or side-ways to invite to the center. Can't say I'm a fan, but it might come down to personal taste. It does have its validity, and it's interesting to see it in other martial arts. Particularly, I think it has the psychological effect of your opponent becoming more hesitant on cashing in on apparent openings.
That was a very interesting read. Thank you for sharing! It is nice to see parallel shield tactics in other systems. I think that the exposed shield technique I demonstrate here is pretty good as long as you expect a thrust coming in quickly. The nice thing is that the enemy is mostly limited to one attack and the shield should be able to cover the user with the low squat. Qi Jiguang in other parts of the military treatise writes that the shield users should be young and agile so that they stay low and move quickly.
We tested the battlefield baiting aspect some years ago. The idea is that shield user opens up to lure opposing spear to commit to a thrust. Then the spear next to shield guy thrusts at the opposing spearman at the same time. It's a fun training exercise. Try to kill the shieldman with a spear, without getting killed by a spear. You need three persons to try it: one shield, and two spears.
Yes, after I go over my interpretation of the basic techniques the next step is to see if I can get more people involved and show how it is used within the formation!
Thanks everyone for watching! And special thanks to me brother for helping me record this video!
Also, I realize that I should have included a better explanation of why I suspect that “ride the dragon” may be referring to an ao bu. Basically, another author named Wu Shu 吳殳 wrote the text “A Record of Arms” 手臂錄. In this spear manual, he has a posture called Riding the Dragon which he describes as “An ao bu spear method”.
Who made your rattan shield?
@@robertmccann5838 I wove this one myself. You can find some online for sale, but they are not always made using historical methods.
@@thescholar-general5975 that is very impressive!
You are one of the only few channels doing Chinese manual demonstrations, appropriate it very much.
And forgot to say: great to have you back with the shield stuff!
It is good to be back, I will not make you wait a year for the next one!
Rattan shields with swords were once very popular in my hometown of Taiwan. My grandfathers all learned it, but unfortunately it is now on the verge of being lost. I am glad to see such a detailed and in-depth analysis. Thank you for your help. share! brother!
Thank you for your support! I will do my best to try and bring the real Tengpai back into kung fu!
Glad to see the return/continuation of this series.
Thanks for your support!
It takes a lot of confidens and training to executie that move,great explanation.
Good to see you back to doing this series
I thought you would turn up! I plan to finish the series fairly soon, and then I will have a summary video kind of putting everything together.
I believe the move is demonstrated by Wim Lam in this Hung Gar video several times: ua-cam.com/video/6p1YF8hYp_s/v-deo.html first one at 10:00 seconds. The position change by jumping is shown better in the later moves.
It's a good move against spears and polearms, and comes out of necessity when fighting against spears coming from multiple directions. In one on one situation you can use it as a bait, and push spear or polearm to the right while moving in.
In fighting, it does not matter where the shield is as long as you can parry on time. Sometimes one needs to parry backwards, and then the shield ends up there, like in the pictures.
Very interesting. I didn't know that there were any shield routines still around. It seems that the North and the South both preserved aspects of General Qi's methods.
Very Informative and WELL DONE! Thank you! Much Respect and a big salute (bow). Keep up the good work.
Thank you for watching
We usually say 順步 for put same side hand and foot infront and 坳步 for cross, like you put right hand in front,you put left foot in front, too.
And I think 坳步 or 騎龍 is a ready for jumping.
After you use your sheild to push opponent's weapon out, you would have a window to jump in and you could be very close to him. So you use your sheild to push him hard. I think it's the meaning of 挨 and 靠.
I would try to make a video soon.
I look forward to seeing you video!
Here is my video
ua-cam.com/video/whh2e-A_CyU/v-deo.html
Im guessing formation battles can be very tiring and soldiers wouldn't be able to jab continuously for hours so they tend to be conservative and won't attack at your shield since it will only tire themselves out. This leads to stagnated battles where progression is slow and armies aren't making much progress on eachother which is why the practice of baiting your enemy would be employed to draw them out to attack first which you would then deflect their spears and engage once they exposed themselves.
Thanks for watching! To be honest there is still a lot that we don’t know about exactly what is was like to experience a battle on the ground in this time period.
Luring an already weary or extremely cautious enemy to attack could be very useful.
I wonder if the reason for some of these shield positions would have anything to do with moving in group formation?
Thanks for watching, the manual states that in formation the shield is basically just supposed to provide cover for spearman who do most of the damage to the enemy.
Hmmm, can you try swing the sword from right up to left down, do the low stance with shield front of you and pick up sword over head?
Where did you get your shield
Thanks for watching! I made this one myself because I was not satisfied with the quality of the ones I found online and shipping is also very expensive.
@@thescholar-general5975 🙏can you teach us how to make one?
@@anotakudetective1546 I plan to do a video tutorial on how to make one. Hopefully in the near future
You mention other manuals that include these shield forms. What are these manuals, and who wrote them?
I guess I didn’t explain clearly. Those are just different editions of this manual originally written by Qi Jiguang. I consult a variety of different historical editions which date from the 16th and 17th centuries for my interpretation. Sometimes there can be slight variations in the names or images of the posture which can help to get a more well rounded view of things.
There are a few other textual descriptions of rattan shield use, but unfortunately most of them are very short (only a couple lines) and not as comprehensive as Qi Jiguang’s manual
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Thanks for watching!
So it's baiting.
Yes exactly!
Hey it’s aj I think at then end of the videos you should also stay shiny
I will have to wax beforehand
The principle of using a "bad" shield stance to bait reminded me of this article:
byzantineoplomachia wordpress the-reverse-shield-guard-the-discovery-of-a-byzantine-guard-hiding-in-plain-sight
I've since used this concept in HEMA sparring, essentially holding the buckler to the chest to bait an attack to the arm, or side-ways to invite to the center. Can't say I'm a fan, but it might come down to personal taste. It does have its validity, and it's interesting to see it in other martial arts.
Particularly, I think it has the psychological effect of your opponent becoming more hesitant on cashing in on apparent openings.
That was a very interesting read. Thank you for sharing! It is nice to see parallel shield tactics in other systems. I think that the exposed shield technique I demonstrate here is pretty good as long as you expect a thrust coming in quickly. The nice thing is that the enemy is mostly limited to one attack and the shield should be able to cover the user with the low squat. Qi Jiguang in other parts of the military treatise writes that the shield users should be young and agile so that they stay low and move quickly.