@@neptuneplaneptune3367 I did that with friends in high school, for funsies 😂 The know it all in the neighborhood saying it was an illegal move was definitely uncalled for, he wasn't even involved.
Yeah I was waiting for him to summon it out of his hand. Like "yeah sure fusion summon that out of your hand." It'd be card advantage to the opponent. The only real downside to binder summoning is if they had a card that sent extra deck monsters to the graveyard. Since if there was no extra deck it wouldn't work.
To be entirely fair, at this point in time that was basically how it worked. Your fusion deck could contain 20 unique cards, up to 3 copies of each, allowing for a 60 card fusion deck. Prior to 2004 there was no limit to the number of cards. The modern extra deck rules didn't come out until 2008 with the release of Starter Deck 2008 which also introduced synchro monsters
Fun fact many players may not remember, the Extra Deck was simply called the Fusion Deck until Synchros were introduced. That's why the Fusion Cards went there. If this was before even Synchros existed, it should have been even more obvious that he's supposed to put his Fusion Monsters there before the game starts.
@@GunbladeKnight Ritual monsters going there would've make so many of them WAY more viable. No, you needed to draw both the ritual magic card AND the ritual monster, and have enough materials.
@@GunbladeKnightnah if ritual monsters went there they would just be synchros you require a spell to summon instead of a tuner (most rituals have the same level req system as synchro monsters) rituals just sit in the main deck until you draw them which makes them so much worse
He might not have been aware that there was a rule change that limited the fusion deck to 20 cards. GOAT format is a GX format right before cydras release with an arbitrarily large fusion deck
I can recommend Magikey as an archetype then. It simply revolves around recycling Normal monsters of different attributes, and making extra deck summons combining Normal and Magikey monsters. Its pretty brain-off in terms of getting rules wrong because there are only like two quick effect interrupts and trap cards in the whole deck. Rest is done at your pace. Oh and it has extra deck and ritual monsters for the archetype of all kinds except Link monsters, so you can just pick your preferred summon type and stick with that if you dont know Xyz or Synchro or whatever
I only play Yu-Gi-Oh! digitally but Digimon Physically I once got thrown out for accidentally breaking the Rules At that Time Japan had recently limited Hammer Spark I didn't know it was changed for the english Version at the same Time since the Release Dates aren't synchronised yet (but soon) . . . Hammer Spark is btw. Kinda like Pot of Greed in the Way of "Simple overpowered Effect with no Drawbacks from the earlyest Release"
This is how it feels to play Master duel because the rules in master duel are slightly altered then what they are in actual Yu-Gi-Oh not to mention how some cards react to other cards are also changed
@@grimmspectrum1547 the ban list is different too! If you're watching a decklist/ deck building video, always check what they say they're using it on. Maxx C is very banned in TCG but flies free on MD
@@ChainxBlaze I know people that had a "fusion binder" because some fusion monsters were pricy. I also know an E-hero player that played with graded fusions
I know some people who would summon extra deck monsters from their deck box for years and they probably shouldn't have. I'm pretty sure stuff like what happened in both of these cases wouldn't fly nowadays.
I think the main things for that would be if said binder only has Fusion monsters in it and if you both explain it to your opponent and the judge ahead of time while showing (facedown) that there is a legal number of cards in it
My first ever yugioh match, my opponent didnt let me shuffle his deck because he "likes the way it is", then summined swamp battle guard and lava battle guard in the same turn, saying he won. Of course he wanted to bet our best cards on the match.
@@AesopRock77 He tried to take my best card, Summoned Skull. I told him no but he stole my Eevee toy and rode away on his bike. The next day he asked my mom if he could hang out and show me how to do high kicks and she kicked him out. 15 years later I left my fake leather jacket at a party and somehow he stole that too. I knew it was mine cause I had a pin on it I won from a different card game. He ended up passing away and I never got that jacket back so I bought a new one from Temu but it zips up on the other side.
Feel bad for Zane here. No one even tried explaining to this clearly clueless guy about what an extra deck was. It's clear he just didn't know about it and mightve just made an extra deck really quick.
yeah, but the issue is that he was already in a tournament that was in-progress. If you started the tournament without an extra deck, you'll have to play the tournament without an extra deck. Sure they could just be nice and let him assemble one in the last round, but it would technically still be against the rules.
@@SageTigerStar ok so back when fusion was the only extra deck mechanic there was no hard extra/fusion deck limit so I would agree with another post that said he should specify his fusion deck was in his binder and showed the card number
To be fair, at the time there was no limit on how many cards you could run in the extra deck so you literally could play 3 copies of every fusion monster that existed at the time if you wanted, so I could see where Zane was coming from by thinking he could just slap the fusion monster straight from his binder since he owns them
it'd probably be fine if Zane announced that his extra deck is in his binder for some reason, especially with the lack of maximum deck size ruling back then, it's no difference than having every single cards in a PSA-graded case as long as you could handle them in a reasonable time. Obnoxious, yes, but at worst you get a few eyerolls
@@shadowstep1375 Realistically not much would change in the combo department, while we do use alot of extra deck monsters nowadays, removing the extra deck size limit wouldn't change much about how we do combos and what boards we end on, it's not like combo decks summon so many monsters to show off how many their deck is capable of summoning, they have a desired end board and once they reach that they will stop. What it would do however is power boost cards like Pot of Extravagance that remove cards from your extra deck for some sort of benefit, currently what we do is have a number of cards we don't use in our extra deck dedicated to that purpose but if the extra deck size limit didn't exist we could run a few more core cards, now technically this could change what boards we end on but I think it rather would create room for alternate board states and the combos would not get longer. Ultimately there is no point to extend combos longer than they need to be, you want to end end on a board that is hard to break and not risk losing it by continuing is the general mindset.
This actually reminds me when I was getting into YGO for the first time where I'd just put xyz monsters in my main deck thinking rank 4 were just the same as levels so I'd just normal summon them normally, before learning how extra deck monsters worked lmao
That's basically how my friend group played except with fusions since it was during the DM era. In our defense, Joey played Flame Swordsman from his deck and they never mentioned a fusion deck, so we just assumed Poly was to summon a fusion that you didn't have the card of, by stacking the materials on top of each other and saying it was fused.
@@POKENAR To be fair to anime Flame Swordsman, it's just your bog-standard normal monster, and even had the appropriate border in the sub. It's the dub that made Flame Swordsman's card appear as a fusion monster.
this is better than losers at school who used to put fusion monsters in the main deck and then summoned without tribute because you dont summon fusions with tributes.
Reminds me of a mistranslated card I have from a different card game that allows you to search a card from your "collection", not your deck, your collection...
If Konami ever printed such a card I'm certain everyone would find ways to be an absolute demon with it. With Swordsoul alone I can think of quite a few. If it's a quick effect then I could summon Protos on the opponent's turn and declare whichever attribute stops them from playing. If not then I could do a synchro summon without cost. I could do something like summon Mula Adhara (coming next month) without cost and set Necrovalley, or I could summon Baronne (in Master Duel) without cost. I could also bring out a free Shooting Riser which turns into either Chaos Angel or Dis Pater (in TCG), or Baronne. Such a card would have to get banned almost immediately (and this is all assuming it would only allow you to summon tournament legal targets), but while it lasts it would be a funny card.
As a Cyber Dragon enjoyer, I actually feel kinda bad for "Zane" here. Also, the fact that no one batted an eye before the semi-finals is questionable. Great story, btw. Just wish mine could be adapted into a video
Yeah if someone is this new to the game that they don't understand this concept, people should be letting them know and trying to help not just letting it fly
At this point in time, it was perfectly legal to have an up to 60 card fusion deck. So it wasn't as much of an issue as it seems. I watched people play with graded fusion decks, or announce that the first X pages of their binder were their fusion deck cards. Most people didn't have an issue with it, upper deck certainly didn't
I think I know this guy. When I was still in school in 2004, there was this cheater who liked to switch the cards in his hand with the cards in his side deck..... during his turn. As in, when he's not allowed to. Because he thought that's how side decks worked. He also liked to do things like set cards face-down in his spell/trap zones, then 2 turns later put them back into his hand illegally because he had just drawn Heavy Storm. Then, re-set the cards face-down after destroying my field. Fun fact: if you have a card he wanted, he'll grab it in the middle of the duel, then threaten to rip it up if you don't trade it to him for something worthless, or try to take it back from him. I had to stop playing the game whenever he was around, because he loved doing this stuff. And there was never a judge around to stop it. If this is the same guy I'm thinking of, then he was using his card binder as both his side deck and extra deck, to switch out all of the cards he was playing with during the entire duel. A judge was never around to keep an eye on it, so this behavior just continued to be enabled.
This type of thing was actually sadly more common than you would think at the time. Back before Synchros, the Fusion Deck (the Zone's original name) had no maximum limit and it was not unusual for people to not even put it on the field. I remember a story of a regional where a player had to forfeit a round as he was playing a Magical Scientist deck and had left his Fusion Deck sitting in a separate deck box on the table for convenience, right until another player used that to get a judge to (correctly) declare that he can't use it if it isn't in the zone.
I was thinking "sure, that CyDrz guy will tribute summon the fusion monster from his hand, of course!"... I didn't expecting the true story ending! 😮😂😅
2007 means i was...10, yea i didnt know an extra deck was a thing til my 20's, so frankly i totally understand this guy. I never played Tournaments but ive never ever ever seen an extra deck actually used because im a child playing other children who also dont know this
Here's my locals story: One day, I entered locals, round one I sit across from my friend, both of us shuffle up, as do the others around us, and we all begin the duels. My friend and I get into a fairly lengthy grind game(im playing yubel, he's playing voiceless voice), and we finish game 2, siding for game 3, when I hear my opponent next to me declare the effect of Red Reboot(currently banned in the TCG). My friend and I, hearing the name of a banned card, slowly look up at each other, clarifying what we had just heard was correct, before informing the person who activated the card that card was banned from tournament play. He simply responded with, "no, it's at one copy, i can show you the ban list right now". He proceeded to navigate to Konami's website on his phone, and clicked on the banlist. His face dropped from excitement to utter dismay as he saw Red Reboot in the forbidden section, and suddenly exclaimed, "why did the banlist update but no one told me!?", before looking at his opponet and declaring him the winner, as he said, "i can't proceed with an illegal deck", and packed up his cards, and walked out of the locals, and has since never returned.
@@variousnumber891I'd let the guy take the card out of his deck and replace it then reset that game. It's a local tournament, probably not a big deal to do so.
Going by other comments, there was no instituted rule on extra deck size at the time. There's effectively no difference between using a binder and just having three of literally every fusion to have ever been printed. As long as the summoning was valid, it should have been allowed.
To be fair most of us fusioned that way as a kid. Yugi and Kaiba never has any extra deck either. It's even funnier that he made it into the semifinal. How come the other players in that tournament didn't know about extra deck too.
Ya know when I heard "reached under the table" I thought he was gonna have his extra deck on his lap out of fear that someone might swipe it. Not the dude just wiping out his entire backpack.
I remember something similar happening at my locals. The shop owner stopped the duel and demanded that my opponent setup her extra deck first before proceeding or she's gonna get disqualified. We restarted our duel without issues.
@@potato_nugget he also said advanced summoning mechanics Which at the time. Rituals were not unless your name was demise, king of armageddon or hearld of perfection
The only reason I think he got to the semis while doing that could be people thinking. "Well it is the card that would of been in the extra deck and it is the right conditions. Maybe he just doesn't want to risk loosing the fusion monsters. It doesn't really effect anything so I'll allow it." Though I think the shop keeper should of said rather then can't fusion for rest of tourney. Should of been can't for that match then maybe allow him to make an extra deck if he truly didn't understand he needed them in the extra at the start of the match.
@eeefe972 that is not what I meant. I meant if it was a genuine mistake which he could rectify there. Saying no fusions for rest of tourney is a bit harsh cause if he did win rectifying his mistake would mean nothing cause he would still be handicapped in the next match. Which is unfair if you made a honest mistake which several other people didn't try to correct you on.
@@Anime12345freak speaking to the actual rules of the game, in a tournament setting you're not allowed to change the make-up of your deck while the tournament is still going (this applies to locals as well as larger tournaments, otherwise people could just swap decks every round). If he entered without an extra deck, he would have to continue without one. I guess you could say that the only reason he got away with it until then is because he wasn't "caught" by the judge or called out until the story takes place. The judge could have just allowed it to be nice, but if we're talking Fairness, he entered a tournament without an extra deck and they're abiding by the rules.
IMO if this is just a random weekly tournament, that’s not the best way to handle that. It’s very clear there was a misunderstanding of the rules and there is definitely a better fix of just having him make the extra deck right there and make it a teaching moment. If it’s a higher level tournament then, fair enough, but for casual weekly stuff the goal is to learn, have fun, and build community.
He clearly had a competitive edge by not following the rules against multiple opponents. If this was round 1 then changing the deck would be fine, but if anything letting him continue after he basically admitted to cheating was generous in itself
@mnm1273 What's the "competitive edge" when there was no upper-limit to the fusion deck in 2007? He should take all the fusions out of his binder first and pile them on the mat, for what?
@@hermitxIII I was wondering if I had the time right. I remembered there being no size limit on the fusion deck at one point but I can't remember when that stopped.
I think the only main issue with it is that if they had an extra deck card that sent monsters to the graveyard it wouldn't have a target, but if the guy played correctly the opponent potentially could play such a card to interrupt/prevent the summon.
yeah, i know it's a bad card, but if the opponent had "Success Probability 0%" they'd see no extra deck and wouldn't technically be able to activate it, while Cyber player would be able to fuse from the Binder with no clear set of Extra Deck cards. (Nobody uses SP0%, but nobody uses the spell card "Question", and we still have viable rulings on game state regarding that, so it should apply here too)
Theres no way this story is real. You're telling me they got to the semis of a tourney large enough where players drop and not a single person called him before this? And also coincidentally didnt play any other players with an extra deck?
To be fair, this was likely before they introduced limits to the size of the Fusion deck. So most likely "Zane" didn't really see any real issue with using his binder for his fusion deck. In any case, all materials required for the game should be on the table BEFORE the game and it is significantly bad etiquette for a player's hands to go below the table since they could be adding additional cards to hand.
I wonder how did they not know this. It's in rule books, the anime and how all of his opponents let him do this up until now. Well it's a learning moment for them.
At the time, only Fusions existed, and nothing in the anime hinted at the existance of an Extra Deck. In fact, I don't even think we ever saw the Fusion monsters in card form.
The year was 2015. January of 2015 to be exact. Pendulum summoning was still considered new, and I was heading to the Ohayocon Anime Convention. I was doing something that became a annual tradition of sorts and cosplayed Dark Magician while entering the convention's tournament as Dark Magician with my Dark Magician deck. This year was special though, as Dark Magician got some new key cards to play with namely Dark Magician Girl the Dragon Knight, Ebon Illusion Magician, and Dark Renewal. It had not yet gotten its now staple support cards like Dark Magical Circle or Eternal Soul so experimenting with what cards to fill out the deck with was still common. Cards like Elemental Hero Prisma, Gagaga Magician, and Summoner Monk to get them easier where the decks low end at the time. This is important for later. Before the tournament started I was getting in some practice games for fun and just so happened to come across another player experimenting with Dark Magician at the time, however, in a much different way. This player was combining Dark Magician with the new Magician Pendulum monsters. During the duel, my opponent would summon a card I had not yet heard of before "Performage Trapeze Magician". It is an interesting card that needed two level 4 Spellcaster monsters. Its effect allowed another monster two attack twice in exchange for that monster being destroyed during the end phase. It seemed like a very useful card especially with cards like Gagagashield, that could more or less get rid of the negative side effects of the card my protecting a Spellcaster type monster from destruction twice per turn. After the duel we shared deck building ideas for the he asked me why I hadn't summoned that card during the duel when I summoned other Rank 4 monsters like Silent Honor Arc and Daigusto Emeral. My answer was simple, I had never heard of the card before. I had to admit though it was a very useful card that I would definitely think about adding into my extra deck in the future. My opponent said I can start using it now and handed me the card giving it to me. I asked if he was sure and he said yes. Think of it as a gift for giving him a fun in costume duel. Now this opponent couldn't say for the full tournament regardless, but I did except his gift and would replace one of my copies of Silent Honor Ark in my extra deck with it. The tournament itself was surprisingly steep competition. Normally the tournament is fairly casual but this year I would see some competitive decks like Mermail, Sylvans and Madolche. Somehow I managed to make it into the top cut for the tournament being placed in a bracket for the top 8 after the previous rounds concluded. The top 8 games start and my 1st opponent was playing... Lightsworn. My heart sank because this deck and me had a history. A couple years early at a regional event I faced a version of the Lightsworn deck. Was using a different version of my Dark Magician deck back then, making my way past all 3 copies of Judgement Dragon, only to have my Sorcerer of Dark Magic get Snatch Steal'd for a loss. I was not confident in this matchup even after winning one game and heading into game three. As the game progressed it felt like we exhausted each other's resources. My opponent used a searcher card, Pot of Duality to add Judgement Dragon to his hand. I knew what that meant. On his next turn he would summon it, wip the field and take the win. My life points were low, and all I had on the field was a single copy of Dark Magician Girl. I had all my copies of Dark Magician in the graveyard already, her attack points sitting at 2900 and my only face down card was Gagagashield. Sure It could protect Dark Magician Girl from the field wipe, but it wouldn't help me win. I looked at my hand. All I had was a useless Dark Magic Attack, that needed Dark Magician to be activated. It wasn't going to help. My opponent still had all of his life points, sure his field was mostly empty now, flip summoning a Ryuko in an attempt to destroy Dark Magician Girl, only to meet Gagashield as a response, but there was no way I could think of that would let me deal enough damage in a single turn before Judgement Dragon would be summoned next turn. Disheartened I drew my card, Summoner Monk. I went through my extra deck seeing if I hand anything that I could use, and there it was Trapeze Magician. A smile spread across my face as I summoned Summoner Monk, used its effect to discard Dark Magic Attack to summon Gagaga Magician the overlaid them to Summon Trapeze Magician, I used its effect targeting Dark Magician Girl. Attacked with her twice, once destroying Ryko dealing 2700, and then going for a direct attack for 2900. Then attacked directly with Trapeze Magician for 2500, just barely dealing enough damage to win and take me into the top 4. I lost the next round to Burning Abyss, but I ran into the guy that gave me Trapeze Magician later in the convention and told him that I made top 4 thanks to him. We both had a laugh and agreed that the situation was one of the most Anime moments either of us had heard of. Fitting for an anime convention.
I...feel like no one ever explained to this kid how the Extra Deck works. I honesty assumed he would have had the Fusion monsters in his regular Deck and assumed he had to draw them like Rituals. Not...this
Going by other comments, there was no extra deck at the time. It was called the fusion deck and there was no deck size limit. You could theoretically have a fusion deck that was literally just three of every fusion to have ever been printed. There would have been no effective difference between summoning from binder, summoning from a dedicated deck box, or summoning from fusion deck provided A) you own the card B) the summon was valid
Just want to point out that this was before there was official deck size limitations, which was introduced in the first Master Rules in 2008 (the beginning of the 5D's era). So his extra deck was probably the entire binder and it wouldn't have made much sense to carry around like 50 fusion cards.
To be honest, based off how stories like this typically go, I was totally expecting Zane to throw a giant hissy fit and go on some anime-esque main character rival rant about how "I totally can summon from my binder and how dare you try to take away my rightful victory!!!"...
I mean, the fusion deck didn't have any size restriction, so it's not like he's gaining anything from summoning cards from his binder (as long as it's not more than 3 copies)
This reminds me of when I got back to Yu-Gi-Oh and went to a local tournament after taking a break from the game for so long, I went half way through my first turn before realizing I forgot to put my extra deck down. I quickly did it and apologies and off handling said "Man I should be dq for that damn" my opponent literally brought in the judge at the card shop explaining to me "Well since you brought it up we got to check man, it's the rules" I thought he was joking until I started realizing "oh he's serious about this" thankfully the head judge was like "Dude this is a local ots tournament, not a YCS, it's not that big of a deal" and continued the duel as is. Sadly still lost that duel since it was my first time against a Minkako deck and I didn't knew what they did. Which remind me, you can tell he was a little, too obsessed with that archetype since he decked out every accessories he had with Minkakos
I kind of get it. Unless it was just a well normal monster card, I’m a stickler for having my cards in a good condition because I want to cherish them for a long time. So if he has an ultra rare cyber dragon and told his opponent that he didn’t want the cards to get damaged could he keep them in The binder for it to be protected. And this I think was before the rule of having a set amount of extra dec- sorry fusion deck cards right. So if he asked his opponent if it was ok I think we wouldn’t have a problem.
When I was a kid, despite owning the fusion monsters, I never owned poly. So I played cyber dragon with no extra deck. It didn't do too badly either. Id combo limited removal (sometimes more than one) with fairy meteor crush and some other equip spells and otk
This happened to me. I was playing morphtronics (dont judge me) and cyber dragon was a popular staple. I managed to create a board that was annoying my opponent, he was thinking for several minutes. Then he says 'oh wait' then then mushes my monsters to the graveyard and digs through a bunch of deck boxes to special chimeratech fortress. My jaw dropped that such a dumb card exists. This was my first local so I didnt know for sure if that was illegal but it felt dirty lol. I didn't play yugioh in local tournaments again after that. Just pickup games with friends or digital games.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the extra deck called the fusion deck and was unlimited at the time? If so, I don't think keeping it in a binder is any different from having a huge stack of all your fusion monsters
the difference would be if it's required to submit your decklist for the tournament. If you keep everyone informed beforehand, like "hey I keep my fusions in my binder so here's my fusion deck" it's probably all good. Also the difference would be casual play and tournament play, even if it's just a LGS event
I had a friend who ran HEROes back in the day, he had a 90-card Fusion Deck and quit the game when they made the 15 card rule. He kept his fusions in a deckbox all their own, and when he'd play, he'd pull the heap out and put it on the board like you're supposed to.
@@potato_nugget In 2004 they limited it to 20 cards (up to 3 copies each), but prior to that it was unlimited. Then at some large event a dude had an over 100 card extra deck, and Upper Deck only gave judges something like 3 minutes to deck check. Which was just not possible in that circumstance. In 2008 the extra deck rules came out alongside synchros.
This reminds me of another anecdote. On a Mexican magazine I bought back in the day, there was an article by the person whi was the runner up for the world championship of (I think) 2004 or 5. If memory serves, his name's Sergio Piña. He was narrating his trip to Japan, and on the flight there (which departed from the US) there where many judges and in one conversation with them, one noted that at a tournament he was monitoring a player announced "and now, I sacrifice my three monsters to summon Obelisk, the tormentor.". It is worth pointing out that at that time, the only god.cards that existed weren't tournament legal.
Couple small mini stories from the same event I went to early in the lifetime of Yu-Gi-Oh! Sometime circa 2002 when we basically had the starter decks, and maybe Metal Raiders. Like the cards still said Magic Card instead of Spell Card. Anyways, my first ever Yu-Gi-Oh! locals ever (I specify Yu-Gi-Oh! because I'd played both M:tG and PokemonTCG at the same game store. All of that aside, we get to our tables, and the first...amazing thing happened. Everyone is pulling out their decks, shaking hands, and shuffling, and at the table next to me I see a guy stack a deck that must have literally been 200 unsleeved cards. (No this isn't that famous situation). After he was done shuffling he placed a single sleeved card on top. His opponent complained, he looked confused so we had to explain why he couldn't just place his Shadow Ghoul on top of his deck, needless to say he lost. Then my duel, first one went pretty quickly, I got the play, drew my first card (because that's how the rules were back then) activated Thunder Dragon adding 2 more to my hand, set my wall of illusions and set a trap hole. Quick easy turn. My opponent draws, activates Monster Reborn, then Soul Exchange targeting my face down, then summons Blue-Eyes White Dragon. He made short work of my. Second game, I'm going first again, weaker hand than before, I set a man-eater bug and set something in M/T and pass. He draws, discards his own thunder dragon, monster reborn, soul exchange, BEWD. I thought, man, what a lucky guy. He did the same thing in the next 2 rounds and was caught when a couple of us commented on how he had done the same to us....he got kicked out of the store for cheating, because obviously! I was given my first round as a win, still didn't make it very far that day though. And lastly, watched a guy try to play a deck that had several fusion monsters in the main deck and not in the fusion deck. Which is weird because he also had cards in his fusion deck. Games were different back in 2002 when people didn't understand how the game worked because they learned from watching an anime.
In his defense, if you never read the rulebook and only assumed rules from the anime, his play is completely justified. I dare anyone to find an episode where someone actually has an extra deck. I know the duel disc doesn't have a slot for extra deck, but logically the cards have to come from somewhere. I see nothing wrong with this. Now, if he had a binder full of extra deck monsters that can be accessed at any time (like every protagonist apparently has), THAT would be a problem. Looking at you Yusaku with 47 monster extra deck.
I remember a year or two after synchro's were introduced a went to an event for the launch of a pack ( i think it was the one that introduced ancient fairy dragon) before the the pack tournament started i was playing a casual game with a guy id just met who was running a black rose plant deck full of synchros and didn't know that the tuner and non tuners had to match the synchro's level, fortunately when I explained this to him there was a few others watching who backed me up and he just found it quite funny 😂
Use to play with a guy who was legally blind. I knew about this cheat but never called him out on it cause I thought it was great! He had like 25 cards in his extra deck and whenever he was asked about it, since he kept it in his deck box so as to not lose them, he would say “oh i must of put that in the wrong deck box” and proceed to, with his very limited vision (again legally blind), take out the like 10 cards that didnt match up to his opponent best and move them. Awesome guy though he doesnt play anymore his vision is completely gone now
Okay i have a story or rather confession that you can turn in to a video, So this all happened last year(march 2024) in Lyon Regionals during Snake-eyes format where, Wanted's cost was 100 bucks each, Raging phoenix was 30-40 Euros, and so on. And me a broke engineer student in France dint want my spent on meta cards. Although (don't want to be selfish) but i'm a pretty good player and played the game competitively since TOSS format (even have some tops in T1/2 events), so even tho i dont have the cards i'm pretty knowledgeable about the meta and decks. 1 Week before the tournament we made plans to go to tournament with friends, and asked a friend to lend me his Snake-eye deck... Which is missing some cards.. 1 poplar, 1 Flamberge and 1 Raging phoenix was missing. (Standard ratio at the time was 2 Flamberge and 2 Poplar in the main deck) So i asked others in my locals to lend me all the missing cards and he told me has the cards but he can give them the day of the tournament. Awesome right ? Tournament day, woke up at 6AM to go to Lyon with friends at locals, when we arrived, i called my guy to get the missing cards, he tells me: Ohh i thought you needed cards for the locals, i didn't go to lyon for the Regs... And at that point i knew i fucked up. Tried to find it before the tournament, but it wa too late. Now its time to duel. Round 1, ofc mirror match, lose dice. My opponent doing missplays i play around interruption pretty well, i have 3 bodies on the bord vs 0 interruption, i do the combo and reach for my extra deck to OTK, except... fuck i dont have raging Phoenix, so couldnt OTK and got phoenix Otk'd on his turn. Great Start. Game 2 i open SE Ashe , Poplar, Bonfire. Because i cant add poplar of Ash since i play one i had to NS poplar get handtraped and died. Rip Round 1 Round 2, this time agains SE FireKing. this game gets longer i do some missplays, and my opponent isnt that great we draw. AND during this round they give us the ENTRY PACKS. At this point i'm tilted as fuck, so i open my packs and pull... Poplar... huh a second Poplar. My score is 0-1-1 at this point and i thought to myself, i have no chance of wining at least i can have some fun. And i enter the 2nd poplar to my main deck. Round 3, win, round 4, win round 5, win round 6 win round 7 win I'm in flow state, drawing 1 starter 1 extender and 3 handtraps every game. In one the games i even realize that i can't do the standard SE combo with just 1 Flamberge MID COMBO, and i still win, i'm just that good. Then Round 8 starts... I WIN. and my score is 6-1-1, going to top 8 if i win the this last round. I'm super hyped and after each round my friends are joking with me calling 1 poplar, 1 Flamberge META, then i realize that they all know my decklist if they watch my last match on top8 they will all realize what is happening. I panic and rush to the toilettes to revert my decklist, thinking my result is good enough for top32 even if i lose. The moment i exit from toilets someone calls me. FUCK, both me and my opponent did not enter the results of round 8, so we both get a game lost, and there is nothing i can do. My score becomes 5-2-1. I'm angry to myself and play the last round and win it. So my final result is 6-2-1. I take a deep breath and wait for the results, i'm ........ 33'rd.... oh i missed the prizing by tiebreaker. Welp that's what they call KARMA. To this thay only my closest friends knows about this. And that's it folks, Moral of the story, READY YOUR DECK BEFORE ENTERING A TOURNEMENT
Well, if Zayne had somehow. won the duel, surely he could have put the cards he wanted into an extra deck, instead of the rest of the tournament? Or did Grandpa just assume there was no way he could win without fusions?
at the star I thought it was in his main deck, then I thought he just had it in a separate place to prevent stealing, but never would I have expected this
I love this story. But realistically, how did he even get into the tournament without submitting an extra deck list? I remember having to do that even as a kid at locals way back then lol
Some locals didnt do that back then. What Im more curious is, how he managed to get so deep into the tournament without anyone of his opponents going to a judge.
@@radandpaisley lol wut? Back in the Upper Deck days you were submitting decklists to locals? I went to and even judged some major events that didn't require decklists in the Upper Deck Era. None of my locals even thought about deck lists, especially since there was no extra deck, it was a fusion deck and could be 60 cards.
How did he not understand that FUSIONS go into the FUSION DECK??? It wasn't even called the Extra Deck back then. If they were playing on any sort of mats with marked zones, it would've been called the Fusion Deck. How did Yu-Gi-Oh! players lack reading comprehension as far back as 2007?
Here I thought he had his extra deck mixed in with his main. Turn out to be much better 😂😂😂
Same! Cause as a kid I did do that, wich I think was a common misconception back then
@@neptuneplaneptune3367 I did that with friends in high school, for funsies 😂
The know it all in the neighborhood saying it was an illegal move was definitely uncalled for, he wasn't even involved.
But in the anime like that too right?
Yeah I was waiting for him to summon it out of his hand. Like "yeah sure fusion summon that out of your hand." It'd be card advantage to the opponent. The only real downside to binder summoning is if they had a card that sent extra deck monsters to the graveyard. Since if there was no extra deck it wouldn't work.
@@ilhamarasy3671 not sure, they play duel monsters in the anime anyways so the rules are likely different.
Bro watched Yu-Gi-Oh! GX, saw Jaden use a 400 card Extra Deck, and just made the most logical assumption. He’s summoning from a card binder.
Yeah definitely canonically accurate
As God intended.
To be entirely fair, at this point in time that was basically how it worked. Your fusion deck could contain 20 unique cards, up to 3 copies of each, allowing for a 60 card fusion deck. Prior to 2004 there was no limit to the number of cards.
The modern extra deck rules didn't come out until 2008 with the release of Starter Deck 2008 which also introduced synchro monsters
I mean you could also store your cards in your binder, as long as you keep exactly 15 cards there
@@ManuelRiccobono well no, because there are now cards that manipulate the extra deck.
Blud just activated a Duel Links skill where you summon a card out of your ass
Duel Links in 2007
@diego6424 he thought he had a Skill activated that turn 🤣
@@HyperWhale286 we had Yugioh BAM!
@@diego6424 which character does that?
@@FuriousJesse Literally EVERYONE
"Extra deck? You mean my backpack?"
Fusion-summoning from a binder? Imagine having a binder full of Superpoly-targets...
At the time there was actually no limit on fusion deck size which would have made for some fun super poly targets.
@@jacobisbell9388 It would have been unique at least since most Fusions back then required specific targets
That would have required quite the imagination, considering superpoly wasn't printed yet
I mean, back then the fusion deck had no limit. So you could have all your fusion monsters in it
Fun fact many players may not remember, the Extra Deck was simply called the Fusion Deck until Synchros were introduced. That's why the Fusion Cards went there. If this was before even Synchros existed, it should have been even more obvious that he's supposed to put his Fusion Monsters there before the game starts.
I thought ritual monsters also went there, but they were all terrible anyways.
@@GunbladeKnight Ritual monsters going there would've make so many of them WAY more viable.
No, you needed to draw both the ritual magic card AND the ritual monster, and have enough materials.
@@GunbladeKnightnah if ritual monsters went there they would just be synchros you require a spell to summon instead of a tuner (most rituals have the same level req system as synchro monsters) rituals just sit in the main deck until you draw them which makes them so much worse
I call it the Upgrade factory as I use original Cyber Drache
He might not have been aware that there was a rule change that limited the fusion deck to 20 cards. GOAT format is a GX format right before cydras release with an arbitrarily large fusion deck
I thought for SURE he was gonna pull out a twin cyber dragon figurine out of his backpack for a hot second there
Now that would have been a giga chad move 😂😂😂
I think the judge would have had to allow that if he did that. How can you not.
Could have been a Glock
This is one of my greatest fears - accidentally cheating because I don't understand the rules to my own cards fully
That's my fear, too.
I can recommend Magikey as an archetype then. It simply revolves around recycling Normal monsters of different attributes, and making extra deck summons combining Normal and Magikey monsters.
Its pretty brain-off in terms of getting rules wrong because there are only like two quick effect interrupts and trap cards in the whole deck. Rest is done at your pace. Oh and it has extra deck and ritual monsters for the archetype of all kinds except Link monsters, so you can just pick your preferred summon type and stick with that if you dont know Xyz or Synchro or whatever
I only play Yu-Gi-Oh! digitally but Digimon Physically
I once got thrown out for accidentally breaking the Rules
At that Time Japan had recently limited Hammer Spark
I didn't know it was changed for the english Version at the same Time since the Release Dates aren't synchronised yet (but soon)
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Hammer Spark is btw. Kinda like Pot of Greed in the Way of "Simple overpowered Effect with no Drawbacks from the earlyest Release"
This is how it feels to play Master duel because the rules in master duel are slightly altered then what they are in actual Yu-Gi-Oh not to mention how some cards react to other cards are also changed
@@grimmspectrum1547 the ban list is different too! If you're watching a decklist/ deck building video, always check what they say they're using it on. Maxx C is very banned in TCG but flies free on MD
Leaving the extra deck inside the deckbox was fairly normal back then so i can see someone fusioning from the binder by just not knowing any better.
@@ChainxBlaze I know people that had a "fusion binder" because some fusion monsters were pricy. I also know an E-hero player that played with graded fusions
I know some people who would summon extra deck monsters from their deck box for years and they probably shouldn't have. I'm pretty sure stuff like what happened in both of these cases wouldn't fly nowadays.
I think the main things for that would be if said binder only has Fusion monsters in it and if you both explain it to your opponent and the judge ahead of time while showing (facedown) that there is a legal number of cards in it
My first ever yugioh match, my opponent didnt let me shuffle his deck because he "likes the way it is", then summined swamp battle guard and lava battle guard in the same turn, saying he won. Of course he wanted to bet our best cards on the match.
Tell me you didn't let him take your cards.
@@AesopRock77 He tried to take my best card, Summoned Skull. I told him no but he stole my Eevee toy and rode away on his bike. The next day he asked my mom if he could hang out and show me how to do high kicks and she kicked him out. 15 years later I left my fake leather jacket at a party and somehow he stole that too. I knew it was mine cause I had a pin on it I won from a different card game. He ended up passing away and I never got that jacket back so I bought a new one from Temu but it zips up on the other side.
Feel bad for Zane here. No one even tried explaining to this clearly clueless guy about what an extra deck was. It's clear he just didn't know about it and mightve just made an extra deck really quick.
yeah, but the issue is that he was already in a tournament that was in-progress. If you started the tournament without an extra deck, you'll have to play the tournament without an extra deck. Sure they could just be nice and let him assemble one in the last round, but it would technically still be against the rules.
@@SageTigerStar his binder was his extra deck
@@EmptyJarDoto then it should have been on the table and not in the binder/backpack. Rules are rules. :)
@@SageTigerStar Yeah but clearly it didn't really make a difference back then and most players didn't care.
@@SageTigerStar ok so back when fusion was the only extra deck mechanic there was no hard extra/fusion deck limit so I would agree with another post that said he should specify his fusion deck was in his binder and showed the card number
To be fair, at the time there was no limit on how many cards you could run in the extra deck so you literally could play 3 copies of every fusion monster that existed at the time if you wanted, so I could see where Zane was coming from by thinking he could just slap the fusion monster straight from his binder since he owns them
I feel it'd even probably fly in a casual match, but not a tournament.
it'd probably be fine if Zane announced that his extra deck is in his binder for some reason, especially with the lack of maximum deck size ruling back then, it's no difference than having every single cards in a PSA-graded case as long as you could handle them in a reasonable time. Obnoxious, yes, but at worst you get a few eyerolls
Yeah og fusion deck rules would be crazy now...
@@fatrobin72 Imagine if they never changed that. There would be some absolutely crazy combos going on at every level of play.
@@shadowstep1375 Realistically not much would change in the combo department, while we do use alot of extra deck monsters nowadays, removing the extra deck size limit wouldn't change much about how we do combos and what boards we end on, it's not like combo decks summon so many monsters to show off how many their deck is capable of summoning, they have a desired end board and once they reach that they will stop.
What it would do however is power boost cards like Pot of Extravagance that remove cards from your extra deck for some sort of benefit, currently what we do is have a number of cards we don't use in our extra deck dedicated to that purpose but if the extra deck size limit didn't exist we could run a few more core cards, now technically this could change what boards we end on but I think it rather would create room for alternate board states and the combos would not get longer.
Ultimately there is no point to extend combos longer than they need to be, you want to end end on a board that is hard to break and not risk losing it by continuing is the general mindset.
This actually reminds me when I was getting into YGO for the first time where I'd just put xyz monsters in my main deck thinking rank 4 were just the same as levels so I'd just normal summon them normally, before learning how extra deck monsters worked lmao
That's basically how my friend group played except with fusions since it was during the DM era.
In our defense, Joey played Flame Swordsman from his deck and they never mentioned a fusion deck, so we just assumed Poly was to summon a fusion that you didn't have the card of, by stacking the materials on top of each other and saying it was fused.
@@POKENAR During the scene in gx with zane vs the guy whose voice sounded wrong, he even took his entire deck out to summon overdragon
@@POKENAR To be fair to anime Flame Swordsman, it's just your bog-standard normal monster, and even had the appropriate border in the sub. It's the dub that made Flame Swordsman's card appear as a fusion monster.
this is better than losers at school who used to put fusion monsters in the main deck and then summoned without tribute because you dont summon fusions with tributes.
7:02 I fully expected bro to eat his opponent's playmat or something
Reminds me of a mistranslated card I have from a different card game that allows you to search a card from your "collection", not your deck, your collection...
If Konami ever printed such a card I'm certain everyone would find ways to be an absolute demon with it. With Swordsoul alone I can think of quite a few. If it's a quick effect then I could summon Protos on the opponent's turn and declare whichever attribute stops them from playing. If not then I could do a synchro summon without cost. I could do something like summon Mula Adhara (coming next month) without cost and set Necrovalley, or I could summon Baronne (in Master Duel) without cost. I could also bring out a free Shooting Riser which turns into either Chaos Angel or Dis Pater (in TCG), or Baronne. Such a card would have to get banned almost immediately (and this is all assuming it would only allow you to summon tournament legal targets), but while it lasts it would be a funny card.
As a Cyber Dragon enjoyer, I actually feel kinda bad for "Zane" here. Also, the fact that no one batted an eye before the semi-finals is questionable. Great story, btw. Just wish mine could be adapted into a video
MAYHAPS
@jakerosser7362 WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE????
Yeah if someone is this new to the game that they don't understand this concept, people should be letting them know and trying to help not just letting it fly
Zane*
At this point in time, it was perfectly legal to have an up to 60 card fusion deck. So it wasn't as much of an issue as it seems. I watched people play with graded fusion decks, or announce that the first X pages of their binder were their fusion deck cards. Most people didn't have an issue with it, upper deck certainly didn't
I think I know this guy. When I was still in school in 2004, there was this cheater who liked to switch the cards in his hand with the cards in his side deck..... during his turn. As in, when he's not allowed to. Because he thought that's how side decks worked.
He also liked to do things like set cards face-down in his spell/trap zones, then 2 turns later put them back into his hand illegally because he had just drawn Heavy Storm. Then, re-set the cards face-down after destroying my field.
Fun fact: if you have a card he wanted, he'll grab it in the middle of the duel, then threaten to rip it up if you don't trade it to him for something worthless, or try to take it back from him. I had to stop playing the game whenever he was around, because he loved doing this stuff. And there was never a judge around to stop it.
If this is the same guy I'm thinking of, then he was using his card binder as both his side deck and extra deck, to switch out all of the cards he was playing with during the entire duel. A judge was never around to keep an eye on it, so this behavior just continued to be enabled.
"Gee, I wish there was another cool Yu-Gi-Oh video for me to watch right about now."
"Uploaded 6 minutes ago."
Neat!
I got this 9 hours later.
Oh sure, when Yusaku does it, it's called "Activating his Skill: Storm Access," but when _I_ do it it's "cheating." Uh-huh.
This type of thing was actually sadly more common than you would think at the time. Back before Synchros, the Fusion Deck (the Zone's original name) had no maximum limit and it was not unusual for people to not even put it on the field. I remember a story of a regional where a player had to forfeit a round as he was playing a Magical Scientist deck and had left his Fusion Deck sitting in a separate deck box on the table for convenience, right until another player used that to get a judge to (correctly) declare that he can't use it if it isn't in the zone.
I was thinking "sure, that CyDrz guy will tribute summon the fusion monster from his hand, of course!"... I didn't expecting the true story ending! 😮😂😅
Same
2007 means i was...10, yea i didnt know an extra deck was a thing til my 20's, so frankly i totally understand this guy. I never played Tournaments but ive never ever ever seen an extra deck actually used because im a child playing other children who also dont know this
Here's my locals story:
One day, I entered locals, round one I sit across from my friend, both of us shuffle up, as do the others around us, and we all begin the duels. My friend and I get into a fairly lengthy grind game(im playing yubel, he's playing voiceless voice), and we finish game 2, siding for game 3, when I hear my opponent next to me declare the effect of Red Reboot(currently banned in the TCG). My friend and I, hearing the name of a banned card, slowly look up at each other, clarifying what we had just heard was correct, before informing the person who activated the card that card was banned from tournament play. He simply responded with, "no, it's at one copy, i can show you the ban list right now". He proceeded to navigate to Konami's website on his phone, and clicked on the banlist. His face dropped from excitement to utter dismay as he saw Red Reboot in the forbidden section, and suddenly exclaimed, "why did the banlist update but no one told me!?", before looking at his opponet and declaring him the winner, as he said, "i can't proceed with an illegal deck", and packed up his cards, and walked out of the locals, and has since never returned.
I mean, fair play to the guy for accepting the facts and not trying to bitch and moan over it.
@@variousnumber891I'd let the guy take the card out of his deck and replace it then reset that game. It's a local tournament, probably not a big deal to do so.
at 5:50 ish, that AI pitchfork is cursed af. that is all.
It's especially baffling that he made it all the way to the semifinals without someone calling him out or a judge catching wind of it.
Going by other comments, there was no instituted rule on extra deck size at the time. There's effectively no difference between using a binder and just having three of literally every fusion to have ever been printed. As long as the summoning was valid, it should have been allowed.
would've thought bro was fusing into twin cyber glock if i saw him reaching under the table
To be fair most of us fusioned that way as a kid. Yugi and Kaiba never has any extra deck either.
It's even funnier that he made it into the semifinal. How come the other players in that tournament didn't know about extra deck too.
No we didnt as we didnt have a binder
@BaxsStudios I mean like from a random pile of cards outside the deck.
@@BaxsStudios oh some kids definitely had binders
To be fair if it was a not serious tournament, I probably would have just let the guy do it, even if I knew it wasn't allowed lol
acually in battle city, their extradeck/fusion deck was in the deckbox on their belts
Ya know when I heard "reached under the table" I thought he was gonna have his extra deck on his lap out of fear that someone might swipe it. Not the dude just wiping out his entire backpack.
As a Ghost Reaper fan, nothing would make me more happy than being able to carry around my Extra Deck like this
He play it like an anime character as they also don't have extra deck to be seen and just pull it out of somewhere.
I remember something similar happening at my locals. The shop owner stopped the duel and demanded that my opponent setup her extra deck first before proceeding or she's gonna get disqualified. We restarted our duel without issues.
2007 bro: why does frost monarch have so many words
Ah, 2007... a simpler time, back when I first started watching proper with GX and built my first deck with Red-Eyes at its core! The memories...
Ah 2007… I used to play Curran and Pikeru + Gravity Bind deck, those where peak Yugioh days
Ritual: Not even mentioned
Which I mean, fair.
They don't go in the extra deck
Ahhhhh, he did say "extra deck" ?😒
@@potato_nugget he also said advanced summoning mechanics
Which at the time. Rituals were not unless your name was demise, king of armageddon or hearld of perfection
@@DarkSymphony777Relinquish crying in a corner
@@JoseGarcia-r2w9h thousand eyes asserting dominance
Well that's definitely a weird one. At least on the plus side he tried summoning a legal monster.
The only reason I think he got to the semis while doing that could be people thinking. "Well it is the card that would of been in the extra deck and it is the right conditions. Maybe he just doesn't want to risk loosing the fusion monsters. It doesn't really effect anything so I'll allow it." Though I think the shop keeper should of said rather then can't fusion for rest of tourney. Should of been can't for that match then maybe allow him to make an extra deck if he truly didn't understand he needed them in the extra at the start of the match.
Lol u think he won the match without his fusions I doubt it
@eeefe972 that is not what I meant. I meant if it was a genuine mistake which he could rectify there. Saying no fusions for rest of tourney is a bit harsh cause if he did win rectifying his mistake would mean nothing cause he would still be handicapped in the next match. Which is unfair if you made a honest mistake which several other people didn't try to correct you on.
@Anime12345freak except he'd be losing this match without his fusions meaning he's out of the tournament no next match
@@Anime12345freak speaking to the actual rules of the game, in a tournament setting you're not allowed to change the make-up of your deck while the tournament is still going (this applies to locals as well as larger tournaments, otherwise people could just swap decks every round). If he entered without an extra deck, he would have to continue without one. I guess you could say that the only reason he got away with it until then is because he wasn't "caught" by the judge or called out until the story takes place. The judge could have just allowed it to be nice, but if we're talking Fairness, he entered a tournament without an extra deck and they're abiding by the rules.
@@SageTigerStaragain at the time of the tournament there was no hard limit on extra deck/fusion deck he should have just clarified
IMO if this is just a random weekly tournament, that’s not the best way to handle that. It’s very clear there was a misunderstanding of the rules and there is definitely a better fix of just having him make the extra deck right there and make it a teaching moment. If it’s a higher level tournament then, fair enough, but for casual weekly stuff the goal is to learn, have fun, and build community.
He clearly had a competitive edge by not following the rules against multiple opponents. If this was round 1 then changing the deck would be fine, but if anything letting him continue after he basically admitted to cheating was generous in itself
@mnm1273 What's the "competitive edge" when there was no upper-limit to the fusion deck in 2007? He should take all the fusions out of his binder first and pile them on the mat, for what?
@@hermitxIII tricking people into thinking he has no fusion options and ignoring the three/one of each card (depending on the card) per deck limit
@@hermitxIII I was wondering if I had the time right. I remembered there being no size limit on the fusion deck at one point but I can't remember when that stopped.
@@professorhaystacks6606 It changed in master rule 1. I.E, when synchros came out.
5:06 Thank you for not making the obvious meme.
Who needs heart of the cards when you got cards on binders?
I think the only main issue with it is that if they had an extra deck card that sent monsters to the graveyard it wouldn't have a target, but if the guy played correctly the opponent potentially could play such a card to interrupt/prevent the summon.
yeah, i know it's a bad card, but if the opponent had "Success Probability 0%" they'd see no extra deck and wouldn't technically be able to activate it, while Cyber player would be able to fuse from the Binder with no clear set of Extra Deck cards. (Nobody uses SP0%, but nobody uses the spell card "Question", and we still have viable rulings on game state regarding that, so it should apply here too)
Theres no way this story is real. You're telling me they got to the semis of a tourney large enough where players drop and not a single person called him before this? And also coincidentally didnt play any other players with an extra deck?
To be fair, this was likely before they introduced limits to the size of the Fusion deck. So most likely "Zane" didn't really see any real issue with using his binder for his fusion deck.
In any case, all materials required for the game should be on the table BEFORE the game and it is significantly bad etiquette for a player's hands to go below the table since they could be adding additional cards to hand.
Tristan: "In another few hours, the sun will rise".
I wonder how did they not know this. It's in rule books, the anime and how all of his opponents let him do this up until now. Well it's a learning moment for them.
At the time, only Fusions existed, and nothing in the anime hinted at the existance of an Extra Deck. In fact, I don't even think we ever saw the Fusion monsters in card form.
The year was 2015. January of 2015 to be exact. Pendulum summoning was still considered new, and I was heading to the Ohayocon Anime Convention. I was doing something that became a annual tradition of sorts and cosplayed Dark Magician while entering the convention's tournament as Dark Magician with my Dark Magician deck. This year was special though, as Dark Magician got some new key cards to play with namely Dark Magician Girl the Dragon Knight, Ebon Illusion Magician, and Dark Renewal. It had not yet gotten its now staple support cards like Dark Magical Circle or Eternal Soul so experimenting with what cards to fill out the deck with was still common. Cards like Elemental Hero Prisma, Gagaga Magician, and Summoner Monk to get them easier where the decks low end at the time. This is important for later. Before the tournament started I was getting in some practice games for fun and just so happened to come across another player experimenting with Dark Magician at the time, however, in a much different way. This player was combining Dark Magician with the new Magician Pendulum monsters. During the duel, my opponent would summon a card I had not yet heard of before "Performage Trapeze Magician". It is an interesting card that needed two level 4 Spellcaster monsters. Its effect allowed another monster two attack twice in exchange for that monster being destroyed during the end phase. It seemed like a very useful card especially with cards like Gagagashield, that could more or less get rid of the negative side effects of the card my protecting a Spellcaster type monster from destruction twice per turn. After the duel we shared deck building ideas for the he asked me why I hadn't summoned that card during the duel when I summoned other Rank 4 monsters like Silent Honor Arc and Daigusto Emeral. My answer was simple, I had never heard of the card before. I had to admit though it was a very useful card that I would definitely think about adding into my extra deck in the future. My opponent said I can start using it now and handed me the card giving it to me. I asked if he was sure and he said yes. Think of it as a gift for giving him a fun in costume duel. Now this opponent couldn't say for the full tournament regardless, but I did except his gift and would replace one of my copies of Silent Honor Ark in my extra deck with it.
The tournament itself was surprisingly steep competition. Normally the tournament is fairly casual but this year I would see some competitive decks like Mermail, Sylvans and Madolche. Somehow I managed to make it into the top cut for the tournament being placed in a bracket for the top 8 after the previous rounds concluded. The top 8 games start and my 1st opponent was playing... Lightsworn. My heart sank because this deck and me had a history. A couple years early at a regional event I faced a version of the Lightsworn deck. Was using a different version of my Dark Magician deck back then, making my way past all 3 copies of Judgement Dragon, only to have my Sorcerer of Dark Magic get Snatch Steal'd for a loss. I was not confident in this matchup even after winning one game and heading into game three. As the game progressed it felt like we exhausted each other's resources. My opponent used a searcher card, Pot of Duality to add Judgement Dragon to his hand. I knew what that meant. On his next turn he would summon it, wip the field and take the win. My life points were low, and all I had on the field was a single copy of Dark Magician Girl. I had all my copies of Dark Magician in the graveyard already, her attack points sitting at 2900 and my only face down card was Gagagashield. Sure It could protect Dark Magician Girl from the field wipe, but it wouldn't help me win. I looked at my hand. All I had was a useless Dark Magic Attack, that needed Dark Magician to be activated. It wasn't going to help. My opponent still had all of his life points, sure his field was mostly empty now, flip summoning a Ryuko in an attempt to destroy Dark Magician Girl, only to meet Gagashield as a response, but there was no way I could think of that would let me deal enough damage in a single turn before Judgement Dragon would be summoned next turn. Disheartened I drew my card, Summoner Monk. I went through my extra deck seeing if I hand anything that I could use, and there it was Trapeze Magician. A smile spread across my face as I summoned Summoner Monk, used its effect to discard Dark Magic Attack to summon Gagaga Magician the overlaid them to Summon Trapeze Magician, I used its effect targeting Dark Magician Girl. Attacked with her twice, once destroying Ryko dealing 2700, and then going for a direct attack for 2900. Then attacked directly with Trapeze Magician for 2500, just barely dealing enough damage to win and take me into the top 4. I lost the next round to Burning Abyss, but I ran into the guy that gave me Trapeze Magician later in the convention and told him that I made top 4 thanks to him. We both had a laugh and agreed that the situation was one of the most Anime moments either of us had heard of. Fitting for an anime convention.
I...feel like no one ever explained to this kid how the Extra Deck works. I honesty assumed he would have had the Fusion monsters in his regular Deck and assumed he had to draw them like Rituals. Not...this
Going by other comments, there was no extra deck at the time. It was called the fusion deck and there was no deck size limit. You could theoretically have a fusion deck that was literally just three of every fusion to have ever been printed. There would have been no effective difference between summoning from binder, summoning from a dedicated deck box, or summoning from fusion deck provided
A) you own the card
B) the summon was valid
He was just playing Yuma strats. But instead of summoning all the numbers monsters, its just an entire fleet of fusions.
Just want to point out that this was before there was official deck size limitations, which was introduced in the first Master Rules in 2008 (the beginning of the 5D's era). So his extra deck was probably the entire binder and it wouldn't have made much sense to carry around like 50 fusion cards.
I can only imagine how embarrassing this is
I dont even play yugioh and Ive watched this entire series, good job
To be honest, based off how stories like this typically go, I was totally expecting Zane to throw a giant hissy fit and go on some anime-esque main character rival rant about how "I totally can summon from my binder and how dare you try to take away my rightful victory!!!"...
Sounds like the kid was either too young to understand the rules or the kid was dyslexic and couldn't read the tournament rules
I hope the cyber dragon dude won; that would be hilarious
He activated his skill to fusion summon a monster outside of his deck
This whole video was a whole - "wait...what?"
I mean, the fusion deck didn't have any size restriction, so it's not like he's gaining anything from summoning cards from his binder (as long as it's not more than 3 copies)
When i heard backpack i thought it was gonna take a bad turn
For a second there, I thought his Fusion monsters were shuffled in his main deck lol
Pretty sure it was just called a fusion deck at the time because this is about when I stopped playing.
Lol this is even funnier that in the anime, Zane is shown to took Chimeratech Overdragon out of his Main Deck when summoning it.
This reminds me of when I got back to Yu-Gi-Oh and went to a local tournament after taking a break from the game for so long, I went half way through my first turn before realizing I forgot to put my extra deck down. I quickly did it and apologies and off handling said "Man I should be dq for that damn" my opponent literally brought in the judge at the card shop explaining to me "Well since you brought it up we got to check man, it's the rules" I thought he was joking until I started realizing "oh he's serious about this" thankfully the head judge was like "Dude this is a local ots tournament, not a YCS, it's not that big of a deal" and continued the duel as is.
Sadly still lost that duel since it was my first time against a Minkako deck and I didn't knew what they did. Which remind me, you can tell he was a little, too obsessed with that archetype since he decked out every accessories he had with Minkakos
I kind of get it. Unless it was just a well normal monster card, I’m a stickler for having my cards in a good condition because I want to cherish them for a long time. So if he has an ultra rare cyber dragon and told his opponent that he didn’t want the cards to get damaged could he keep them in The binder for it to be protected. And this I think was before the rule of having a set amount of extra dec- sorry fusion deck cards right. So if he asked his opponent if it was ok I think we wouldn’t have a problem.
When I was a kid, despite owning the fusion monsters, I never owned poly. So I played cyber dragon with no extra deck. It didn't do too badly either. Id combo limited removal (sometimes more than one) with fairy meteor crush and some other equip spells and otk
OK, this is a troll. There is no way this has to be a troll
The guy was just playing with Duelist Kingdom fusion summoning rules. Perfectly understandable.
I summon my backpack in attack mode, from my binder I summon cyber twin dragon...
This guy is literally Yuzu from Yugioh Arc V learning fusion.
come on man, the other day you posted a story about a guy who literally ate his opponents card, this one was lacking a little
Some people defy explanation.
This happened to me. I was playing morphtronics (dont judge me) and cyber dragon was a popular staple. I managed to create a board that was annoying my opponent, he was thinking for several minutes. Then he says 'oh wait' then then mushes my monsters to the graveyard and digs through a bunch of deck boxes to special chimeratech fortress. My jaw dropped that such a dumb card exists. This was my first local so I didnt know for sure if that was illegal but it felt dirty lol. I didn't play yugioh in local tournaments again after that. Just pickup games with friends or digital games.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the extra deck called the fusion deck and was unlimited at the time? If so, I don't think keeping it in a binder is any different from having a huge stack of all your fusion monsters
Nope, you still need to put it in the extra zone, & ohhh boy back in the day you see ppl with 50+ cards in it 😅
the difference would be if it's required to submit your decklist for the tournament. If you keep everyone informed beforehand, like "hey I keep my fusions in my binder so here's my fusion deck" it's probably all good. Also the difference would be casual play and tournament play, even if it's just a LGS event
I had a friend who ran HEROes back in the day, he had a 90-card Fusion Deck and quit the game when they made the 15 card rule. He kept his fusions in a deckbox all their own, and when he'd play, he'd pull the heap out and put it on the board like you're supposed to.
@@potato_nugget In 2004 they limited it to 20 cards (up to 3 copies each), but prior to that it was unlimited. Then at some large event a dude had an over 100 card extra deck, and Upper Deck only gave judges something like 3 minutes to deck check. Which was just not possible in that circumstance.
In 2008 the extra deck rules came out alongside synchros.
He just activated the yellow batten
This reminds me of another anecdote. On a Mexican magazine I bought back in the day, there was an article by the person whi was the runner up for the world championship of (I think) 2004 or 5. If memory serves, his name's Sergio Piña. He was narrating his trip to Japan, and on the flight there (which departed from the US) there where many judges and in one conversation with them, one noted that at a tournament he was monitoring a player announced "and now, I sacrifice my three monsters to summon Obelisk, the tormentor.".
It is worth pointing out that at that time, the only god.cards that existed weren't tournament legal.
This is the worst fake story yet. There ain't no way that this dude made it to the semis doing this shit. I call BS
Bro activated the wrong cyber style skill
Couple small mini stories from the same event I went to early in the lifetime of Yu-Gi-Oh! Sometime circa 2002 when we basically had the starter decks, and maybe Metal Raiders. Like the cards still said Magic Card instead of Spell Card. Anyways, my first ever Yu-Gi-Oh! locals ever (I specify Yu-Gi-Oh! because I'd played both M:tG and PokemonTCG at the same game store. All of that aside, we get to our tables, and the first...amazing thing happened. Everyone is pulling out their decks, shaking hands, and shuffling, and at the table next to me I see a guy stack a deck that must have literally been 200 unsleeved cards. (No this isn't that famous situation). After he was done shuffling he placed a single sleeved card on top. His opponent complained, he looked confused so we had to explain why he couldn't just place his Shadow Ghoul on top of his deck, needless to say he lost.
Then my duel, first one went pretty quickly, I got the play, drew my first card (because that's how the rules were back then) activated Thunder Dragon adding 2 more to my hand, set my wall of illusions and set a trap hole. Quick easy turn. My opponent draws, activates Monster Reborn, then Soul Exchange targeting my face down, then summons Blue-Eyes White Dragon. He made short work of my.
Second game, I'm going first again, weaker hand than before, I set a man-eater bug and set something in M/T and pass. He draws, discards his own thunder dragon, monster reborn, soul exchange, BEWD. I thought, man, what a lucky guy. He did the same thing in the next 2 rounds and was caught when a couple of us commented on how he had done the same to us....he got kicked out of the store for cheating, because obviously! I was given my first round as a win, still didn't make it very far that day though.
And lastly, watched a guy try to play a deck that had several fusion monsters in the main deck and not in the fusion deck. Which is weird because he also had cards in his fusion deck. Games were different back in 2002 when people didn't understand how the game worked because they learned from watching an anime.
Toby, Charlie, Two Girls and Gadgets reigning supreme 😂😂
I know when yugioh first started there was no limit in your extra deck.
In his defense, if you never read the rulebook and only assumed rules from the anime, his play is completely justified. I dare anyone to find an episode where someone actually has an extra deck. I know the duel disc doesn't have a slot for extra deck, but logically the cards have to come from somewhere. I see nothing wrong with this. Now, if he had a binder full of extra deck monsters that can be accessed at any time (like every protagonist apparently has), THAT would be a problem. Looking at you Yusaku with 47 monster extra deck.
I remember a year or two after synchro's were introduced a went to an event for the launch of a pack ( i think it was the one that introduced ancient fairy dragon) before the the pack tournament started i was playing a casual game with a guy id just met who was running a black rose plant deck full of synchros and didn't know that the tuner and non tuners had to match the synchro's level, fortunately when I explained this to him there was a few others watching who backed me up and he just found it quite funny 😂
Having a binder for an extra deck or side deck must have been the nuts 😅
Ah, dude just got done watching the anime where the Extra deck doesn't exist
At least not until 5Ds when we actually see Extra Deck monsters in card form.
Use to play with a guy who was legally blind. I knew about this cheat but never called him out on it cause I thought it was great! He had like 25 cards in his extra deck and whenever he was asked about it, since he kept it in his deck box so as to not lose them, he would say “oh i must of put that in the wrong deck box” and proceed to, with his very limited vision (again legally blind), take out the like 10 cards that didnt match up to his opponent best and move them. Awesome guy though he doesnt play anymore his vision is completely gone now
Okay i have a story or rather confession that you can turn in to a video, So this all happened last year(march 2024) in Lyon Regionals during Snake-eyes format where, Wanted's cost was 100 bucks each, Raging phoenix was 30-40 Euros, and so on. And me a broke engineer student in France dint want my spent on meta cards. Although (don't want to be selfish) but i'm a pretty good player and played the game competitively since TOSS format (even have some tops in T1/2 events), so even tho i dont have the cards i'm pretty knowledgeable about the meta and decks.
1 Week before the tournament we made plans to go to tournament with friends, and asked a friend to lend me his Snake-eye deck... Which is missing some cards.. 1 poplar, 1 Flamberge and 1 Raging phoenix was missing. (Standard ratio at the time was 2 Flamberge and 2 Poplar in the main deck) So i asked others in my locals to lend me all the missing cards and he told me has the cards but he can give them the day of the tournament. Awesome right ? Tournament day, woke up at 6AM to go to Lyon with friends at locals, when we arrived, i called my guy to get the missing cards, he tells me: Ohh i thought you needed cards for the locals, i didn't go to lyon for the Regs... And at that point i knew i fucked up. Tried to find it before the tournament, but it wa too late. Now its time to duel.
Round 1, ofc mirror match, lose dice. My opponent doing missplays i play around interruption pretty well, i have 3 bodies on the bord vs 0 interruption, i do the combo and reach for my extra deck to OTK, except... fuck i dont have raging Phoenix, so couldnt OTK and got phoenix Otk'd on his turn. Great Start. Game 2 i open SE Ashe , Poplar, Bonfire. Because i cant add poplar of Ash since i play one i had to NS poplar get handtraped and died. Rip Round 1
Round 2, this time agains SE FireKing. this game gets longer i do some missplays, and my opponent isnt that great we draw. AND during this round they give us the ENTRY PACKS.
At this point i'm tilted as fuck, so i open my packs and pull... Poplar... huh a second Poplar. My score is 0-1-1 at this point and i thought to myself, i have no chance of wining at least i can have some fun. And i enter the 2nd poplar to my main deck.
Round 3, win, round 4, win round 5, win round 6 win round 7 win
I'm in flow state, drawing 1 starter 1 extender and 3 handtraps every game. In one the games i even realize that i can't do the standard SE combo with just 1 Flamberge MID COMBO, and i still win, i'm just that good. Then Round 8 starts... I WIN. and my score is 6-1-1, going to top 8 if i win the this last round. I'm super hyped and after each round my friends are joking with me calling 1 poplar, 1 Flamberge META, then i realize that they all know my decklist if they watch my last match on top8 they will all realize what is happening.
I panic and rush to the toilettes to revert my decklist, thinking my result is good enough for top32 even if i lose. The moment i exit from toilets someone calls me.
FUCK, both me and my opponent did not enter the results of round 8, so we both get a game lost, and there is nothing i can do. My score becomes 5-2-1. I'm angry to myself and play the last round and win it. So my final result is 6-2-1.
I take a deep breath and wait for the results, i'm ........ 33'rd.... oh i missed the prizing by tiebreaker. Welp that's what they call KARMA. To this thay only my closest friends knows about this.
And that's it folks, Moral of the story, READY YOUR DECK BEFORE ENTERING A TOURNEMENT
*sets backpack on the extra deck zone*
I wish their were tournaments near me so i could have moments like this
I'm waiting for the Orcust player that used Horus Spell to send Orcust Harp...
Well, if Zayne had somehow. won the duel, surely he could have put the cards he wanted into an extra deck, instead of the rest of the tournament? Or did Grandpa just assume there was no way he could win without fusions?
What I like about the extra deck is I Have another 60 chances before I deck out.
at the star I thought it was in his main deck, then I thought he just had it in a separate place to prevent stealing, but never would I have expected this
Binder Summoning sounds like something that would happen in the anime.
I thought Zane had put his fusion monsters in his normal deck before the reveal that he just pulled it from a binder
Bro pulled playmakers skill, instead of linka its fusions😂
I love this story. But realistically, how did he even get into the tournament without submitting an extra deck list? I remember having to do that even as a kid at locals way back then lol
Some locals didnt do that back then. What Im more curious is, how he managed to get so deep into the tournament without anyone of his opponents going to a judge.
@@radandpaisley lol wut? Back in the Upper Deck days you were submitting decklists to locals? I went to and even judged some major events that didn't require decklists in the Upper Deck Era. None of my locals even thought about deck lists, especially since there was no extra deck, it was a fusion deck and could be 60 cards.
Ah, that era when everyone extra deck was on a binder or a box with 20+ extra deck monsters.
How did he not understand that FUSIONS go into the FUSION DECK???
It wasn't even called the Extra Deck back then. If they were playing on any sort of mats with marked zones, it would've been called the Fusion Deck. How did Yu-Gi-Oh! players lack reading comprehension as far back as 2007?
I have the theory everyone before that point just took pity on the guy and just let it happen.
that should count as forfeiting a duel
you cant just take a card out of nowhere and say you summon it
it has to be in your deck or extra deck
I waited so much for him to be a very old player who played at the time the fusion deck was infinite and so take a blinder full of fusions XD