i work as graphic designer for several years, and my2cents is .. the creative people in a corporate world is usually not the boss. so when they suggest something outside the box, the boss doesnt understand and wont implement it. so there goes creativity, dead before conception .
I watched that Tiktok and I thought it's very mild and it's her perspective based on her own experiences/preferences. She wasn't being hateful or overly critical. I don't get why people are so triggered tho.
i agree with the american lady that singaporeans don't really think out of the box. why? because our society and education doesn't encourage us to think out of the box. it's ingrained in our mind to stay in the box. When someone goes out of the box, they are being reprimanded and punish for going out of the box.
Dont think so, i have seen many great local creatives. I learnt to appreciate sg culture unlike overseas whereby there are way too many homeless and lazy ppl as a result of the out of the box thinking culture
@@eugene4261 surely thinking out of the box makes you homeless and not your own decision making. surely all lazy people are thinking out of the box. clueless.
I think creativity comes from varied experiences - not necessarily struggle. tbh there’s lots being put out by sg creatives. but they always end exploring the same narratives & cultural icons, which makes it mundane (e.g how many times can we talk about sg difficult school life/multiculturalism/work culture etc in a truly fresh way?) its just difficult to have that variety (e.g landscape, life paths etc) to even EXPERIENCE, let alone explore through art, in sg resulting in the same stuff being rehashed
Yes, the longer you stay in the country the more you will fit into the societal norm. So I grew up in Australia. It was all work life balance, drop the work even though haven't finished and "do it tomorrow mate". So I moved to SG and I was so happy because finally I found a place where it aligned to my work ethic. Like Jon I wasn't able to sit there and do nothing (like everyone else). I found that life boring. So SG was perfect for me. Though I won't go shopping every night I loved the "option" of buying food late if I needed to, or buying shoes which have holes rather than having to tahan till Saturday. Yeah, I am glad I moved to SG. Nearly half my life now. Majulah!
I like how the title of this podcast has little to no relation into the 2nd portion of the video, and I commend you guys for going down the rabbit hole on that "topic". Would have loved to join in, but i don't know enough to have a genuine opinion.
The conversation about whether there needs to be a good idea for it to succeed, I'm reminded of the Codex Alera series where the author was debating on an online forum with another user whether it was more important to have a mediocre idea and good execution or good idea with mediocre execution. The author, whose stance is that execution is more important than idea, challenged the user to give him 2 mediocre idea and he will write a good story out of it. He was given the prompts Pokemon and the Lost Roman Legion, and he wrote the Codex Alera series, which became one of the bestselling series when it came out.
On creativity. Its ironic how a fast paced society like Singapore, likes to place so much emphasis on progress and productivity. So much so that it seems like the same emphasis on progress/productivity is exactly what hinders the progress that we so want so much of. Productivity as in being able to produce as much quantity as possible where the quality just needs to be sub par or slightly above average to be acceptable And we all know quality and creativity takes time. And most times, developers, homeowners, wtv kind of clients simply just dont have or is willing to give, bc they dont wanna "lose out" in their life's progression. And because of our lack in natural resource/manual labour, things that takes more time to build simply isn't gonna make the cut. Or just requires a lot of $$$ and becomes a trade off thats not so worth it anymore In the end, like what Denise said, I also I think when you're able to fully understand a problem well and even the restrictions, then find the most suitable solution to the said problem is what makes us creative! And this takes practice to be able to execute in a timely manner
On creativity, I did an interview with a Singaporean company once. In the interview I was asked what are some of my strengths to which I replied “if I have the space to be creative to solve problems”. The interviewer immediately jumped and reacted “We always need things done yesterday. You say creative. I actually want to know can you work fast ah? Like can you handle pressure? You can work fast or not?”. I replied to say “creativity and efficiency is not mutually exclusive” to which the interviewer disagreed. She was quick to equate creativity = slow. And the worst part was she was extremely righteous about it😅 That was my first impression of Singapore work culture. Mind you this was a fairly huge corporate company
Not sure what kind of job you are applying for. The interviewer seems kinda biased, but still have some validity in her opinions. Just think of this. Jobs can be broadly categorized as (1) "Operations" or (2) "Development" work. (1) Operations involves repetitive workflows and following a set of standards, which most of time leave little time for creative deviation. Such jobs demand time-efficiency / minimise wastage by stipulating a standard set of rules for the staff to follow. (2) "Development" work, on the other hand, requires the staff to creatively forge path towards the unknown. And people have inclination towards either of it. Of course, there is always shades of (1) in (2), vice versa, in everyone and job type. Assuming if you are an employer wanting to hire someone for an time-sensitive operations role with an already established set of SOPs, would you prefer a candidate's greatest quality to be efficiency or creativity? Also, note that hiring a candidate who over-emphasized on his/her interest for creativity also pose the risk that the candidate may get bored over time, and leave the job. The employer needs certainty for an operation headcount, and can't afford high turnover for an already time-sensitive operations. But if you are applying for a "Development"/creative position, then it would be absolutely nuts for the employer to discount the importance of creatively and mention to you the above. I am in an "Development" and I can tell you that nothing is worse than having staff with strong "Operations" type of mindset working in "Development". They destroy the value of creativity, by cutting "creative" corners to deliver half-baked "creative" solution, which "Development" peeps have to resolve for them at the end. Of course, there will always be outliers or a few outstanding individuals like yourself who are good at both arenas. But what's the probability of getting a candidate or assessing one from just a few interview? The employer can't risk it for a time-sensitive ops role. To assume / para-phrase what your interviewer mean: This is a boring and repetitive job. Are you sure you want to do it?
I also work in an MNC and used to be in a position that had the chance to improve processes. Usually it is always a struggle when rolling out changes between how much it will help and how long will it take to implement. It really takes management level's faith and blessing for things like that to be done, and not a lot of people can accept that. It is not wrong that if there's no problem, don't have to solve anything. Most of the time it is not that there is no problems, it is that it may be restrictive or there is an impending problem that may happen with time.
I was recently talking to my friend abt why hk actors are so much better than sg’s. Because we grow up without much struggles and dont hv those experiences to put into acting. Our older sg actors are great but not the younger gen.
I have to agreed with that lady. I am a local btw. Firstly most of us feel bored here (Shopping is always in the central) Ya...I know Neighborhood malls also can men some might argue but just that one or two malls 😅 it's like ,buy your stuffs and go home ,can't even compare with Korea n japan. We are not Creativity , definitely yes ... (look at TCS)😅 Actually i believe we have more to talk about, if not we won't be hearing is bored ,boring bla bla bla by our own people .
Singaporeans are actually creative until practical and realistic needs come into play. It’s the same as having hobbies, everyone enjoys them until they realise they can’t sustain on them. I don’t think porn targetted for paedophiles/rapists is the way to go. They already have a problem in their brain, and once they get bored of porn and want something more, isn’t their problem gonna be more worse? CGI or real people, porn is all imaginary and in your head. Once your urge can no longer be fulfilled by whatever is on the screen, you’d look for it in reality and it’s not there and you end up hurting people and yourself.
Coming from a writer and ex-designer, ideas are cheap. Anybody can come up with a wild or good idea. The most important thing is actually executing it and executing it well
I'm sry but on the context on child porn, do u all even hear what u are saying? It's no laughing matter. Children are being trafficked n forced into sex labour as we speak. What the heck is medicinal child porn even? I would think anyone who has ill designs on a child is demented, no? Let's not forget Dee is serving prison time for solliciting teens, much less children..
I don't mind hot weather. But wahhh Singapore so humid brooo. Like I dress nice nice alr, before I leave my house, I sweat a bucket alr broo😭😭😭 Literally everyday😕
Agree with Dan. Most Singaporeans are not creative. Probably bcos most are pampered, hence not street wise. Are being spoon fed from an early age. Even has to have a campaign ‘courtesy is our way of life’ to be taught how to be courteous.
As someone who works in research and engineering, there is creativity. Especially in solution making. As for the school, i have to correct about the brainwashing.. schools give the tools that you need for any job..As for snakes, pretty common in Sembawang like pythons and Grass snakes..
I wish there was 1 constant brown Singaporean in the panel 😔 it’s a constant issue I have is that local minorities are never represented in every situation in Singapore. That is my only thing I don’t like about Singapore as a 3rd gen brown Singaporean.
I don’t think that TikTok is even considered offensive, I mean if we can’t take criticism how can we grow? I believe it has something to do with boomers and internet faux news, especially with the current geopolitics. Cause just look at the Malaysian PR, who did a video on SG in UA-cam/TikTok, 2019. Using the exact same key words, “the Best” and “the Worst” place to live in. Did he got any backlash from viewers back than? No, in fact it propel his fame as an influencer further or perhaps SG has become more “conservative” the last 3yrs? 🤷♂️
HELLO......PLEASE.....DONT USED WEATHER AS A BIG EXCUSE ❤❗️❗️❗️❗️ IF SPORE AS AN ISLAND COULD STAND UP AND MOVED TO A TEMPERATE WEATHER......SHE WILL ❗️❗️❗️❗️ BUT GEOGRAPHICALLY......LOCATION IS LOCATION❗️❗️❗️ ONLY GOD CAN MOVE SPORE TO ANY PART OF THE WORLD ❗️❗️❗️❗️ SERIOUSLY, THE LOCATION OF A PLACE CANNOT BE CONSIDER AS THE REASON FOR CHOOSING TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY ANYONE WHO WANT TO STAY IN SPORE FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY.....SHOULD DO THEIR HOMEWORK FIRST BEFORE EVEN COMING,....TO FIND IT HOT OR NOT❗️❗️
There's a great video by Veritasium that touches on the agricultural --> population boom phenomenon back then: ua-cam.com/video/EvknN89JoWo/v-deo.html A significantly smaller world population would be nice though.
Really enjoyed this conversation, no offence to Denise but she's really bringing the intellectual level down with her random, poorly timed interjections like "child porn is good" and "video games make you violent" and commenting on Russian and Chinese politics with poor knowledge. But apart from that, this has been a fun series and I always look forward to this, especially the 2 Jons
i work as graphic designer for several years, and my2cents is .. the creative people in a corporate world is usually not the boss. so when they suggest something outside the box, the boss doesnt understand and wont implement it. so there goes creativity, dead before conception .
If Singapore’s temperature decrease by 10 degrees I think my happiness will double (at least)
us too :’)
I watched that Tiktok and I thought it's very mild and it's her perspective based on her own experiences/preferences. She wasn't being hateful or overly critical. I don't get why people are so triggered tho.
Oversensitive
Not surprising, most Singaporeans are easily offended just about everything by foreign opinions
aiya...as usual. if a foreigner said bad thing about SG then will alway ask them to leave the country =,=
@@kangkinkang tbh idk why my singaporean bros get so heated during this when they have to agree to the fact that not every country can be perfect
@@cleffa3000 even in usa its gonna get the same review just like singapore but just the crime and killing where as for singapore its expensive
i agree with the american lady that singaporeans don't really think out of the box. why? because our society and education doesn't encourage us to think out of the box. it's ingrained in our mind to stay in the box. When someone goes out of the box, they are being reprimanded and punish for going out of the box.
so you cant change? you cant stand up for yourself?
Dont think so, i have seen many great local creatives. I learnt to appreciate sg culture unlike overseas whereby there are way too many homeless and lazy ppl as a result of the out of the box thinking culture
Once cocooned, always cocooned
@@shazam1522 if you're a low level worker you can't do shit. what power do you have to make any change?
@@eugene4261 surely thinking out of the box makes you homeless and not your own decision making. surely all lazy people are thinking out of the box. clueless.
I think creativity comes from varied experiences - not necessarily struggle. tbh there’s lots being put out by sg creatives. but they always end exploring the same narratives & cultural icons, which makes it mundane (e.g how many times can we talk about sg difficult school life/multiculturalism/work culture etc in a truly fresh way?) its just difficult to have that variety (e.g landscape, life paths etc) to even EXPERIENCE, let alone explore through art, in sg resulting in the same stuff being rehashed
Woooo Alison’s appearance! Is Q gonna be on next time too?
Yes, the longer you stay in the country the more you will fit into the societal norm. So I grew up in Australia. It was all work life balance, drop the work even though haven't finished and "do it tomorrow mate". So I moved to SG and I was so happy because finally I found a place where it aligned to my work ethic. Like Jon I wasn't able to sit there and do nothing (like everyone else). I found that life boring. So SG was perfect for me. Though I won't go shopping every night I loved the "option" of buying food late if I needed to, or buying shoes which have holes rather than having to tahan till Saturday. Yeah, I am glad I moved to SG. Nearly half my life now. Majulah!
I like how the title of this podcast has little to no relation into the 2nd portion of the video, and I commend you guys for going down the rabbit hole on that "topic".
Would have loved to join in, but i don't know enough to have a genuine opinion.
Same here
The conversation about whether there needs to be a good idea for it to succeed, I'm reminded of the Codex Alera series where the author was debating on an online forum with another user whether it was more important to have a mediocre idea and good execution or good idea with mediocre execution.
The author, whose stance is that execution is more important than idea, challenged the user to give him 2 mediocre idea and he will write a good story out of it. He was given the prompts Pokemon and the Lost Roman Legion, and he wrote the Codex Alera series, which became one of the bestselling series when it came out.
I think we aren’t creative because our entire education system is just road learning. It’s very difficult to try new paths
very true.
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@@TheGeneTORRES if you're using this poor excuse of an example, you're probably also in the box.
On creativity.
Its ironic how a fast paced society like Singapore, likes to place so much emphasis on progress and productivity. So much so that it seems like the same emphasis on progress/productivity is exactly what hinders the progress that we so want so much of.
Productivity as in being able to produce as much quantity as possible where the quality just needs to be sub par or slightly above average to be acceptable
And we all know quality and creativity takes time. And most times, developers, homeowners, wtv kind of clients simply just dont have or is willing to give, bc they dont wanna "lose out" in their life's progression.
And because of our lack in natural resource/manual labour, things that takes more time to build simply isn't gonna make the cut. Or just requires a lot of $$$ and becomes a trade off thats not so worth it anymore
In the end, like what Denise said, I also I think when you're able to fully understand a problem well and even the restrictions, then find the most suitable solution to the said problem is what makes us creative! And this takes practice to be able to execute in a timely manner
On creativity, I did an interview with a Singaporean company once. In the interview I was asked what are some of my strengths to which I replied “if I have the space to be creative to solve problems”. The interviewer immediately jumped and reacted “We always need things done yesterday. You say creative. I actually want to know can you work fast ah? Like can you handle pressure? You can work fast or not?”. I replied to say “creativity and efficiency is not mutually exclusive” to which the interviewer disagreed. She was quick to equate creativity = slow. And the worst part was she was extremely righteous about it😅 That was my first impression of Singapore work culture. Mind you this was a fairly huge corporate company
Not sure what kind of job you are applying for. The interviewer seems kinda biased, but still have some validity in her opinions. Just think of this. Jobs can be broadly categorized as (1) "Operations" or (2) "Development" work. (1) Operations involves repetitive workflows and following a set of standards, which most of time leave little time for creative deviation. Such jobs demand time-efficiency / minimise wastage by stipulating a standard set of rules for the staff to follow. (2) "Development" work, on the other hand, requires the staff to creatively forge path towards the unknown. And people have inclination towards either of it. Of course, there is always shades of (1) in (2), vice versa, in everyone and job type. Assuming if you are an employer wanting to hire someone for an time-sensitive operations role with an already established set of SOPs, would you prefer a candidate's greatest quality to be efficiency or creativity? Also, note that hiring a candidate who over-emphasized on his/her interest for creativity also pose the risk that the candidate may get bored over time, and leave the job. The employer needs certainty for an operation headcount, and can't afford high turnover for an already time-sensitive operations. But if you are applying for a "Development"/creative position, then it would be absolutely nuts for the employer to discount the importance of creatively and mention to you the above. I am in an "Development" and I can tell you that nothing is worse than having staff with strong "Operations" type of mindset working in "Development". They destroy the value of creativity, by cutting "creative" corners to deliver half-baked "creative" solution, which "Development" peeps have to resolve for them at the end. Of course, there will always be outliers or a few outstanding individuals like yourself who are good at both arenas. But what's the probability of getting a candidate or assessing one from just a few interview? The employer can't risk it for a time-sensitive ops role. To assume / para-phrase what your interviewer mean: This is a boring and repetitive job. Are you sure you want to do it?
It is because it is a huge corp and that is why it sucks
I also work in an MNC and used to be in a position that had the chance to improve processes. Usually it is always a struggle when rolling out changes between how much it will help and how long will it take to implement. It really takes management level's faith and blessing for things like that to be done, and not a lot of people can accept that. It is not wrong that if there's no problem, don't have to solve anything. Most of the time it is not that there is no problems, it is that it may be restrictive or there is an impending problem that may happen with time.
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Omg the ad segment is so cringe yet so cute at the same time 😂
Trek 2000 International Limited is the Singaporean company that created the ThumbDrive. Went to research on it :)
Happy National Day!
🎉
Man should had gone to celebrate at the marina parade there but my teacher go give me shit ton of homework
why feels like each episode getting more and more chaotic HAHA
I was recently talking to my friend abt why hk actors are so much better than sg’s. Because we grow up without much struggles and dont hv those experiences to put into acting. Our older sg actors are great but not the younger gen.
I have to agreed with that lady. I am a local btw.
Firstly most of us feel bored here (Shopping is always in the central) Ya...I know Neighborhood malls also can men some might argue but just that one or two malls 😅 it's like ,buy your stuffs and go home ,can't even compare with Korea n japan.
We are not Creativity , definitely yes ... (look at TCS)😅
Actually i believe we have more to talk about, if not we won't be hearing is bored ,boring bla bla bla by our own people .
Singaporeans are actually creative until practical and realistic needs come into play. It’s the same as having hobbies, everyone enjoys them until they realise they can’t sustain on them.
I don’t think porn targetted for paedophiles/rapists is the way to go. They already have a problem in their brain, and once they get bored of porn and want something more, isn’t their problem gonna be more worse? CGI or real people, porn is all imaginary and in your head. Once your urge can no longer be fulfilled by whatever is on the screen, you’d look for it in reality and it’s not there and you end up hurting people and yourself.
This year's ndp lineup is SO GOOD. Really one of the best.
I think the creative component and further discuss, really interesting...
of coz weather makes lots of difference. as such, swiss standards can only happen in swiss. not anywhere else
Invite ghib ojisan for his 10 reasons of SG is best country to live in
didnt think much about the agriculture revolution until now that john talk about it. 30:00
Please upload more often, I have been dying to listen to your podcasts
we are working hard to produce more! thanks for your support Huang!
@@TheDailyKetchupPodcast Slack lesser jkjk hahaha , keep up the good work !!!
We lack a thinking culture for many reasons. It engenders innovation, problem-solving and creativity.
True, our minds are always closed
Coming from a writer and ex-designer, ideas are cheap. Anybody can come up with a wild or good idea. The most important thing is actually executing it and executing it well
Creativity comes from within❤
Can yall have timestamps? Really Please
The lady did a video on 10 reasons to stay too.
I'm sry but on the context on child porn, do u all even hear what u are saying? It's no laughing matter. Children are being trafficked n forced into sex labour as we speak. What the heck is medicinal child porn even? I would think anyone who has ill designs on a child is demented, no? Let's not forget Dee is serving prison time for solliciting teens, much less children..
To be honest i think if u want to live in a mostly safe country, you need to kinda pay the price . Aka more expensive things
Usually just before leaving they will take the opportunity to complain nonstop.
Last 5 min of the show escalated quickly
48:34 Legendary line.
I don't mind hot weather. But wahhh Singapore so humid brooo. Like I dress nice nice alr, before I leave my house, I sweat a bucket alr broo😭😭😭 Literally everyday😕
If you are someone who love cars and like to drive then definitely SG is not a good place
Please do a video on life of a singapore man 🙏
Always feel creativity can't be taught,it's wht ur born into(surrounded by)not taugh;)*
SG is irritating hot. Yet many places are without aircon.
Agree with Dan. Most Singaporeans are not creative. Probably bcos most are pampered, hence not street wise. Are being spoon fed from an early age. Even has to have a campaign ‘courtesy is our way of life’ to be taught how to be courteous.
no competition here..
Just like our sense of fashion.
As someone who works in research and engineering, there is creativity. Especially in solution making. As for the school, i have to correct about the brainwashing.. schools give the tools that you need for any job..As for snakes, pretty common in Sembawang like pythons and Grass snakes..
so we gonna have a Singapore movie called " Snakes on a Tree ? "
2 Singaporean guys talking about going outdoors to set up tent, campfire and all.
SAF: WELL HELLO THERE. You miss outfield? :3
I love how y’all talked about ahole monkeys in sg HAHAHA
Happy Birthday Singapore!
Happy National Day 🇸🇬🇸🇬🇸🇬
13:26 the other hand not censored, yes I no life
On this 47:00 plus there are already many sketchy Japanese content that have that.
I think the macritchie monkey tried to pull my bro's hair when crossing the bridge. Then when my dad walk past he smack his backpack
Any type of child porn is wrong, even if the intention is good (if that is even possible).
I wish there was 1 constant brown Singaporean in the panel 😔 it’s a constant issue I have is that local minorities are never represented in every situation in Singapore. That is my only thing I don’t like about Singapore as a 3rd gen brown Singaporean.
I don’t think that TikTok is even considered offensive, I mean if we can’t take criticism how can we grow? I believe it has something to do with boomers and internet faux news, especially with the current geopolitics. Cause just look at the Malaysian PR, who did a video on SG in UA-cam/TikTok, 2019. Using the exact same key words, “the Best” and “the Worst” place to live in. Did he got any backlash from viewers back than? No, in fact it propel his fame as an influencer further or perhaps SG has become more “conservative” the last 3yrs? 🤷♂️
The irony of seeing a zenyum ad and i just got my zenyum aligners 😂
Being a laymen n a: proud Singaporean(we r hard 2please
such a hilarious episode. well done
Sorry I think the audio quality has dropped recently. This time Dan’s audio sounded not right… last time it was John…but still I enjoy it a lot.
HELLO......PLEASE.....DONT USED WEATHER AS A BIG EXCUSE ❤❗️❗️❗️❗️
IF SPORE AS AN ISLAND COULD STAND UP AND MOVED TO A TEMPERATE WEATHER......SHE WILL ❗️❗️❗️❗️
BUT GEOGRAPHICALLY......LOCATION IS LOCATION❗️❗️❗️
ONLY GOD CAN MOVE SPORE TO ANY PART OF THE WORLD ❗️❗️❗️❗️
SERIOUSLY, THE LOCATION OF A PLACE CANNOT BE CONSIDER AS THE REASON FOR CHOOSING TO LEAVE THE COUNTRY
ANYONE WHO WANT TO STAY IN SPORE FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY.....SHOULD DO THEIR HOMEWORK FIRST BEFORE EVEN COMING,....TO FIND IT HOT OR NOT❗️❗️
I already decided I want to stay at Taiwan to retire 😂
ONE MAN MEALS, IS ANOTHER MAN POISON.
Singapore is boring, restricted, expensive, soulless, and inhumane. I'm here 4 days and I can't wait to leave for Thailand.
This is just want an ordinary person like myself think lah😅*
So true😅
nice.
India has bigger GDP than Singapore but Singapore think India are poorer than them
???? How much more ??
Yes There are rich people in India , but there are more poorer people. The gap is huge.
There's a great video by Veritasium that touches on the agricultural --> population boom phenomenon back then: ua-cam.com/video/EvknN89JoWo/v-deo.html
A significantly smaller world population would be nice though.
Great to grill, do a BBQ... LOL 😂🤣
doesn’t reward to be creative…
Never been so early ~~~
ALGOO
Watched
Bali isn't a countryyy
You can't buy guns or chew gum
How did the conversation derail to child porn 🤣🤣
Best movie is 跑吧孩子？This story is copied.
Algooooo
Very funny discussion on pornography:) a bit off topic but very funny, love it 😍
Our culture is we are traitors who abandoned our homeland and created our own rules in a new homeland. 😂
algooooooooooooo
Tiktoker.... hmmm..... what to expect.?
Rude to Singaporeans.
kopitiam talk..........giggle here giggle ther....wtf
If you want to improve your English ...this is not the podcast !!!
i think the camping YT videos could be this. i am following and watching these too --> ua-cam.com/users/FISH13
1st
Really enjoyed this conversation, no offence to Denise but she's really bringing the intellectual level down with her random, poorly timed interjections like "child porn is good" and "video games make you violent" and commenting on Russian and Chinese politics with poor knowledge. But apart from that, this has been a fun series and I always look forward to this, especially the 2 Jons
imo the random interjections makes the conversation fun