HI Devon- If a clock is set in beat and still doesn't want to run then yes, there are power problems which are preventing the pendulum from having sufficient over-swing. It could be due to dry and dirty oils or wear issues or a myriad of other things. If straightening out these issues aren't something you are comfortable doing, you can seek out a professional here... awci.memberclicks.net/find-a-professional Hope that helps!
The Ingraham half-deadbeat has a strap pallet which can be adjusted for entrance drop by slightly bending the strap close to the middle. So, you don’t actually adjust one pallet or the other, you adjust both simultaneously. Hope that helps!
It isn't normally necessary to remove an escape wheel from its hub. Remounting it, or mounting a new one, often necessitates making a new hub to ensure the EW runs true. Should it need to be removed, I would carefully machine off the peened areas of the hub which hold the wheel in place and then drive off the wheel.
@@jordanbusby6231 Well... That's not what the manufacturer had intended and, as a professional clockmaker, not something I'd recommend doing. However, it would be a good learning experience in adjusting an escapement 🙂. The recoil escape wheel can be removed, flipped over, and used as a deadbeat EW (sort of). The EW teeth will be too wide at the base and not have sufficient clearance for a Graham deadbeat anchor but may work for a half-deadbeat strap anchor. The half-deadbeat strap pallets will need to be custom shaped to conform to the proper escapement geometry. If you are wanting a Graham deadbeat escapement, the EW teeth can be filed to shape so they have enough relief. The effort to do this conversion greatly outweighs the benefits of a deadbeat escapement vs a recoil escapement. Good luck with it!
The Timetrax 185 works the same as the model 350 for beat amplifier and BPH. However, the Timetrax 350 has additional features like a Holdoff knob. This allows the timer to “listen” at just the right moment for the “tick” and “rock”, eliminating other noises that can cause errors in the readout. Two other features are… 1) pre-set time trains for rate and 2) balance for in or out of beat.
Hi Constantine- Without knowing exactly what sort of escapement you have, I can only speak in generalities. (It should be noted that escapement adjustments are separate from beat adjustments.) The anchor has two pallets; entrance pallet and exit pallet. It therefore has two drops (when the EW tooth falls off the pallet); entrance drop and exit drop. Deadbeat and half-deadbeat anchors have pallets with lift angles and lock is important on these; entrance lock and exit lock. Adjusting an escapement means making the drops equal and small but not so small that the escapement is unreliable. There needs to be drop all the way around the wheel, no teeth catching. For escapements where lock is important, the lock is maximized by minimizing the drops. So, how to adjust? You adjust the entrance drop first by opening or closing the pallets (increasing or decreasing the distance between the pallets) by bending the anchor close to the middle (don't try to bend the pallet itself as this area is hard). This process can be very difficult if the anchor is solid rather than the strap type. Opening the pallets increases the entrance drop and closing decreases the drop. Once the entrance drop is where it needs to be, the exit drop is adjusted to match. This is done by varying the distance between the pivot points of the anchor and escape wheel. Many movements have an adjustable cock for this purpose. Increasing the distance makes the exit drop larger and decreasing makes it smaller. Great question!
i meant to ask you when winding the clock the left winder i think is for the gears and is the right for the striker..i dont wind all the way till i cant wind any more i usually wind till i feel it getting tight then i stop..but tonight when i was winding one of my clocks again ever so carefully the spring sort of unwound about 1/3 from where i started to where i had to rewind it again what causes the spring to do that..in other words the spring on the left it wants to not wind like it feels like it untightens or whatever the term is wheni put the key in and tried to tighten both sides
Hi IFCJ-Supporter- Clock mainsprings should be would fully or the clock won't function properly. If a mainspring is wound fully and doesn't want to unwind, it means it is time to service it. Also, you mention one of your mainsprings seems to unwind during the winding process. The mainspring is probably sticky and causing the mainspring to jump during winding. 30-day mainsprings are extra long and the outer coils, if sticky, will often stick in the unwound position while the inner coils are being wound. When the tension on the inner coils gets strong enough to overcome the stickiness, the outer coils will slip onto the inner coils and the whole mainspring relaxes. This is another indication the movement needs to be serviced. Hope that helps!
@@clockclass5480 thank you very much. You are a really excellent teacher and thank you for your replies. Wish I could do a survey on you. You’re the best Have a great weekend
hi I have a Elgin RA Korean made pendulum 31 day wall clock..it stopped beating and it is balanced of course its up against the flat wall and it is balanced from left to right as well. i have several clocks as my grand father was a Seth Thomas clock maker but he is now passed away but i got a few of his clocks and they work fine but this Elgin is a mystery to me.i think it was made back around the late 1960s early 70s.. i cant get it to work for no more than 5 minutes and it stops..when i swing the pendulum left to right all i really hear is a tick. Not a tock..what could that be knowing it is against the wall and leveled right to left..is there a difference between leveled R-L and balanced R-L..im at a loss here..would appreciate maybe what you could tell me what it could be..i'm mechanically savvy..i build camera systems and i work with alot of Micro tools building cameras. Usually big studio cameras..if you could direct me as what to do i will try it and see if it helps .and i really appreciate your level of horology or clock smithing..you are obviously a master clock Smith and this is a rare art talent..Wish i had been around my grand father more when i was younger but the military kept me away a lot..i was always amazed watching him though,,his home had about 20 clocks that went off at the same time day in and day out and at night when i stayed with him sometimes they were not all in sync..ha ha..talk about not getting any sleep..personally i cant sleep if my clocks are not going off and i love the sound of the tick tock tick tock..my friends all tell me how can you deal with the sound of those clocks..literally i don't hear them like they do..thanks for the video. watching it was a lesson learned..
Hi IFCJ-Supporter- A clock can be level side-to-side and still be out of beat. The beat must be adjusted by either bending the crutch wire or adjusting the friction clutch by pushing the crutch to one side. You say you are only hearing a "tick" and not a "tock" and what you may be hearing is the anchor bottoming out on the escape wheel rather than the anchor catching an escape wheel tooth as the escape wheel rotates. Remove the hands and dial and watch the escapement. If the anchor isn't positioned to allow the escape wheel to rotate, adjust the beat until you get the proper escapement action and an even "tick" "tock". Hope that helps!
Hi Mark- The "tick-tocks" are generally recorded as "beats per hour" (BPH) in clocks and there's no standard. The BPH is dependent upon the number of wheel teeth and pinion leaves in the time train; a ratio which determines the pendulum length. A short pendulum will have a higher BPH than a longer pendulum. A seconds pendulum, in which each beat is 1 second, will have 3600 BPH. Having said that, it should be possible to determine the BPH of your cuckoo. If your cuckoo is a modern one by Regula, the following information applies... Movement with short pendulum (19.5 cm) = 8212.8 BPH Movement with long pendulum (23.5 cm) = 7443 BPH Movement with extra long pendulum (28.5) = 6723 BPH The pendulum length is measured from the suspension post down to the center of the bob. This applies to both 30 hour and 8 day modern cuckoo clocks. Hope that helps!
@@clockclass5480 Thanks for all the good information. I just put my clock up 20 hours ago. I counted 180 tick tocks and my stop watch said 176.71 which ment it was slow. 3.29÷3= 1.09 sec per tick tock. after adjusting the pendulum a few time over 10 hours I think it very very close to real time. Thanks again for helping me.
Dear sir,I need your advice,I filled the spring that it stucked and no longer can give the power to the pendulum.Would you tell me how to release it a little bit or whatever I can do?thanks in advance
Hi JJ- If you wind your clock fully, and it doesn't want to unwind, it is time to get it serviced. However, you asked what you can do to let the mainspring down a bit... Give the pendulum a push every time it stops. If the clock is tick-tocking at all, the mainspring will eventually unwind a bit and the clock may start running on its own. Another method of letting down the mainspring is to release the click but this can't be safely done without some special tools and would require removing the movement from the case. Hope that helps!
@@clockclass5480 yesterday I took off the hands,unscrew the face of it so I could see all the parts.I tried to help it ticking,anyway it ticks for 3-4 minutes before it stops,aynway I tried to do anything as i'm not professional in this but I really like exploring new things which pushed me to search and watch videos on the web.After I put back everything it worked normally for about three hours and stopped again,today I did the same thing and it's working for about 4 hours now,I hope it will continue like that.Lately I noticed that every time it stops according to its need to rewind and after I do it,it keeps stopping for two days or less and after that it works normally,my main problem that I don't know when to stop rewinding it till it stops and I stop moving the key but this time it didn't work after.It's written on it 30 days,does it mean that I have to rewind it once a month,right???Anyway I don't want anyone to open it,I don't know a good and professional honest watchmaker around me and already I don't trust people here so I wish to keep it working by myself as much as I can
@@jexawyjexawy7434 Your description is typical of a clock that has dry and dirty oils. Touching up the oils with a good clock oil might solve your problem if there isn't a significant amount of wear. Timesavers and Merritts are two places which sell clock oil. You don't oil teeth or levers but anything that rotates 180 degrees gets oil where it goes through the plate. And you can put oil on the mainspring by dripping it on each side and allowing it to wick into the leaves of the mainspring. Let me know if I can help further!
@@clockclass5480 Is there any brand you recommend?I will ask a friend in the states to get it for me so it will help if I told him the brand,I thought about the oil but I wasn't sure about the idea.Thanks again for caring and answering me,it's working regularly.....so far,I will put the oil on the springs before rewinding it next time.Thanks again :-)
Your video helped me realize just how important overswing is for a clock to run well. Outstanding video! Thank you very much. 😊
Just The Perfect Lesson to "set the beat" for different clock brands. Thank You.
I do this the old school way-I use my ears.Works great!
Great explanation and i love the leveling board. I am definitely going to make one.
Great job explaining this....makes a lot of sense, but what happens if the wall clock movement still stops? Dirty?
HI Devon-
If a clock is set in beat and still doesn't want to run then yes, there are power problems which are preventing the pendulum from having sufficient over-swing. It could be due to dry and dirty oils or wear issues or a myriad of other things. If straightening out these issues aren't something you are comfortable doing, you can seek out a professional here...
awci.memberclicks.net/find-a-professional
Hope that helps!
When you adjust the pallets on a ingraham half deadbeat do you adjust both or just one
The Ingraham half-deadbeat has a strap pallet which can be adjusted for entrance drop by slightly bending the strap close to the middle. So, you don’t actually adjust one pallet or the other, you adjust both simultaneously.
Hope that helps!
Very nice sir
How would you take off a sessions escape wheel from it's hub?
It isn't normally necessary to remove an escape wheel from its hub. Remounting it, or mounting a new one, often necessitates making a new hub to ensure the EW runs true. Should it need to be removed, I would carefully machine off the peened areas of the hub which hold the wheel in place and then drive off the wheel.
@@clockclass5480 what if you want to change a sessions recoil to a deadbeat escapement?
@@jordanbusby6231 Well... That's not what the manufacturer had intended and, as a professional clockmaker, not something I'd recommend doing. However, it would be a good learning experience in adjusting an escapement 🙂. The recoil escape wheel can be removed, flipped over, and used as a deadbeat EW (sort of). The EW teeth will be too wide at the base and not have sufficient clearance for a Graham deadbeat anchor but may work for a half-deadbeat strap anchor. The half-deadbeat strap pallets will need to be custom shaped to conform to the proper escapement geometry. If you are wanting a Graham deadbeat escapement, the EW teeth can be filed to shape so they have enough relief. The effort to do this conversion greatly outweighs the benefits of a deadbeat escapement vs a recoil escapement. Good luck with it!
I have a timetrax 185. It doesn’t have some of those buttons on yours. Do they work the same?
The Timetrax 185 works the same as the model 350 for beat amplifier and BPH. However, the Timetrax 350 has additional features like a Holdoff knob. This allows the timer to “listen” at just the right moment for the “tick” and “rock”, eliminating other noises that can cause errors in the readout. Two other features are… 1) pre-set time trains for rate and 2) balance for in or out of beat.
Thanks for the video
Thanks for the description. How can the anchor and pallets be adjusted? I inadvertently broke a pallet on a Set Thomas.
Hi Constantine-
Without knowing exactly what sort of escapement you have, I can only speak in generalities. (It should be noted that escapement adjustments are separate from beat adjustments.)
The anchor has two pallets; entrance pallet and exit pallet. It therefore has two drops (when the EW tooth falls off the pallet); entrance drop and exit drop. Deadbeat and half-deadbeat anchors have pallets with lift angles and lock is important on these; entrance lock and exit lock.
Adjusting an escapement means making the drops equal and small but not so small that the escapement is unreliable. There needs to be drop all the way around the wheel, no teeth catching. For escapements where lock is important, the lock is maximized by minimizing the drops.
So, how to adjust? You adjust the entrance drop first by opening or closing the pallets (increasing or decreasing the distance between the pallets) by bending the anchor close to the middle (don't try to bend the pallet itself as this area is hard). This process can be very difficult if the anchor is solid rather than the strap type. Opening the pallets increases the entrance drop and closing decreases the drop.
Once the entrance drop is where it needs to be, the exit drop is adjusted to match. This is done by varying the distance between the pivot points of the anchor and escape wheel. Many movements have an adjustable cock for this purpose. Increasing the distance makes the exit drop larger and decreasing makes it smaller.
Great question!
I have a wall clock with pendulum. Working but strike 10 minutes past as half past and 20 minutes to as on the hour. How do I fix it.??
Hi At-
Many clocks have a bushing in the minute hand which can be rotated to adjust the strike release point. Be careful not to break the hand!
i meant to ask you when winding the clock the left winder i think is for the gears and is the right for the striker..i dont wind all the way till i cant wind any more i usually wind till i feel it getting tight then i stop..but tonight when i was winding one of my clocks again ever so carefully the spring sort of unwound about 1/3 from where i started to where i had to rewind it again what causes the spring to do that..in other words the spring on the left it wants to not wind like it feels like it untightens or whatever the term is wheni put the key in and tried to tighten both sides
Hi IFCJ-Supporter-
Clock mainsprings should be would fully or the clock won't function properly. If a mainspring is wound fully and doesn't want to unwind, it means it is time to service it. Also, you mention one of your mainsprings seems to unwind during the winding process. The mainspring is probably sticky and causing the mainspring to jump during winding. 30-day mainsprings are extra long and the outer coils, if sticky, will often stick in the unwound position while the inner coils are being wound. When the tension on the inner coils gets strong enough to overcome the stickiness, the outer coils will slip onto the inner coils and the whole mainspring relaxes. This is another indication the movement needs to be serviced.
Hope that helps!
@@clockclass5480 thank you very much. You are a really excellent teacher and thank you for your replies. Wish I could do a survey on you. You’re the best Have a great weekend
hi I have a Elgin RA Korean made pendulum 31 day wall clock..it stopped beating and it is balanced of course its up against the flat wall and it is balanced from left to right as well. i have several clocks as my grand father was a Seth Thomas clock maker but he is now passed away but i got a few of his clocks and they work fine but this Elgin is a mystery to me.i think it was made back around the late 1960s early 70s.. i cant get it to work for no more than 5 minutes and it stops..when i swing the pendulum left to right all i really hear is a tick. Not a tock..what could that be knowing it is against the wall and leveled right to left..is there a difference between leveled R-L and balanced R-L..im at a loss here..would appreciate maybe what you could tell me what it could be..i'm mechanically savvy..i build camera systems and i work with alot of Micro tools building cameras. Usually big studio cameras..if you could direct me as what to do i will try it and see if it helps .and i really appreciate your level of horology or clock smithing..you are obviously a master clock Smith and this is a rare art talent..Wish i had been around my grand father more when i was younger but the military kept me away a lot..i was always amazed watching him though,,his home had about 20 clocks that went off at the same time day in and day out and at night when i stayed with him sometimes they were not all in sync..ha ha..talk about not getting any sleep..personally i cant sleep if my clocks are not going off and i love the sound of the tick tock tick tock..my friends all tell me how can you deal with the sound of those clocks..literally i don't hear them like they do..thanks for the video. watching it was a lesson learned..
Hi IFCJ-Supporter-
A clock can be level side-to-side and still be out of beat. The beat must be adjusted by either bending the crutch wire or adjusting the friction clutch by pushing the crutch to one side. You say you are only hearing a "tick" and not a "tock" and what you may be hearing is the anchor bottoming out on the escape wheel rather than the anchor catching an escape wheel tooth as the escape wheel rotates. Remove the hands and dial and watch the escapement. If the anchor isn't positioned to allow the escape wheel to rotate, adjust the beat until you get the proper escapement action and an even "tick" "tock".
Hope that helps!
Thank you so much.
How many tick tocks in one minute on a standard clock? Mine is a black forest cuckoo clock.
Hi Mark-
The "tick-tocks" are generally recorded as "beats per hour" (BPH) in clocks and there's no standard. The BPH is dependent upon the number of wheel teeth and pinion leaves in the time train; a ratio which determines the pendulum length. A short pendulum will have a higher BPH than a longer pendulum. A seconds pendulum, in which each beat is 1 second, will have 3600 BPH.
Having said that, it should be possible to determine the BPH of your cuckoo. If your cuckoo is a modern one by Regula, the following information applies...
Movement with short pendulum (19.5 cm) = 8212.8 BPH
Movement with long pendulum (23.5 cm) = 7443 BPH
Movement with extra long pendulum (28.5) = 6723 BPH
The pendulum length is measured from the suspension post down to the center of the bob.
This applies to both 30 hour and 8 day modern cuckoo clocks.
Hope that helps!
@@clockclass5480 Thanks for all the good information. I just put my clock up 20 hours ago. I counted 180 tick tocks and my stop watch said 176.71 which ment it was slow. 3.29÷3= 1.09 sec per tick tock. after adjusting the pendulum a few time over 10 hours I think it very very close to real time. Thanks again for helping me.
It’s coming over to me very blurry maybe the lens is dirty.
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Dear sir,I need your advice,I filled the spring that it stucked and no longer can give the power to the pendulum.Would you tell me how to release it a little bit or whatever I can do?thanks in advance
Hi JJ- If you wind your clock fully, and it doesn't want to unwind, it is time to get it serviced. However, you asked what you can do to let the mainspring down a bit... Give the pendulum a push every time it stops. If the clock is tick-tocking at all, the mainspring will eventually unwind a bit and the clock may start running on its own. Another method of letting down the mainspring is to release the click but this can't be safely done without some special tools and would require removing the movement from the case. Hope that helps!
@@clockclass5480 yesterday I took off the hands,unscrew the face of it so I could see all the parts.I tried to help it ticking,anyway it ticks for 3-4 minutes before it stops,aynway I tried to do anything as i'm not professional in this but I really like exploring new things which pushed me to search and watch videos on the web.After I put back everything it worked normally for about three hours and stopped again,today I did the same thing and it's working for about 4 hours now,I hope it will continue like that.Lately I noticed that every time it stops according to its need to rewind and after I do it,it keeps stopping for two days or less and after that it works normally,my main problem that I don't know when to stop rewinding it till it stops and I stop moving the key but this time it didn't work after.It's written on it 30 days,does it mean that I have to rewind it once a month,right???Anyway I don't want anyone to open it,I don't know a good and professional honest watchmaker around me and already I don't trust people here so I wish to keep it working by myself as much as I can
@@clockclass5480 Thank for answering me,really I appreciate it
@@jexawyjexawy7434 Your description is typical of a clock that has dry and dirty oils. Touching up the oils with a good clock oil might solve your problem if there isn't a significant amount of wear. Timesavers and Merritts are two places which sell clock oil. You don't oil teeth or levers but anything that rotates 180 degrees gets oil where it goes through the plate. And you can put oil on the mainspring by dripping it on each side and allowing it to wick into the leaves of the mainspring. Let me know if I can help further!
@@clockclass5480 Is there any brand you recommend?I will ask a friend in the states to get it for me so it will help if I told him the brand,I thought about the oil but I wasn't sure about the idea.Thanks again for caring and answering me,it's working regularly.....so far,I will put the oil on the springs before rewinding it next time.Thanks again :-)
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This entire video is out of focus. Good information but irritating to watch.