Van Life Essentials How to Stay Cool with Windshield Covers While Living in a Van

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  • Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
  • Probably the best thing you can do to keep your car, van or RV a cool temperature is to keep the heat from ever getting into the vehicle. And probably the easiest, cheapest way to do that is to put a windshield cover up front. The windshield is the worst for letting heat in so it's very important to cover it. Fortunately, it's very easy to cover!
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  • @maryannecarvale8649
    @maryannecarvale8649 6 років тому +17

    Bob. I don't comment much but you are a gift from God for all the people that need this help .Thank you for being such a wonderful and careing person .

  • @winesipper9073
    @winesipper9073 6 років тому +8

    Blocking the sun's powerful rays "before" it hits the glass is the key, anything type of sun blocking before the sun rays get to the windows and even the metal body of the vehicle makes it cooler. Shade cloth that is anchored around the vehicle where the sun is hitting is a huge heat reduction, solar panels on the roof are also a huge heat reduction...Great subject to bring up.....a 360 degree shade cloth courtyard around the vehicle like Bob showed in a previous video is the way to do it.

    • @mattinthehat22
      @mattinthehat22 6 років тому +1

      Wine Sipper Amazon sells those shade cloths, too. We got a big square and two triangles for our little above-ground pool. They’re uv shielded so they don’t break down in the sun.

  • @Jrprez22
    @Jrprez22 6 років тому +2

    Actually I emailed the Reflectix company to ask another question and they said exactly the same thing. "Yes but when covering windows be careful to leave and air space between Reflectix and the window as well as space around the edges so the window can breathe or you will risk damaging the window."

  • @nancynightingale6267
    @nancynightingale6267 6 років тому +1

    Casey, sew on a piece of white canvas material to extend the bottom of your Adco windshield cover !

  • @robertvandenbrink5884
    @robertvandenbrink5884 6 років тому +9

    Went to Amazon and ordered a cover for my 1991Ford van thru your store....also added the 9 inch fan. It is getting hot in Fresno California. Thanks for this wonderful sieres.

    • @jennyeagan1840
      @jennyeagan1840 6 років тому

      Robert Van Den Brink Use to be a fresnan. practically born&raised. Raised my kids there. Got bad since the 80s. Not the same cool place where just about everyone got along with everyone else. Nearly 20yrs gone and my only regrets are having friends&family still there.

    • @jennyeagan1840
      @jennyeagan1840 6 років тому +1

      Jeffrey Whitaker Aww thanks..but I guess I failed to add. I then had10yrs of hot&humid FL almost yr round. Then moved to the Central Calif Coast, and the weather is year round mostly much better and there's all kinds of no cost, but then again, winemaking geared tours&stuff; and overall, the people generally much nicer. So the third time move was a charm!

    • @jillk2316
      @jillk2316 5 років тому

      dont know if you'll see this but what one did you order for your 91 ? I dont see one :(

  • @louisesmith443
    @louisesmith443 6 років тому +1

    They must be waterproof . For extra protection and cushion (due to a person spinning out and casting a rock that broke my windshield) I made mine for the outside and inside . I put reflective between the layers and I use reflective on the outside of the cover when I am going to be in a place for awhile .I stayed for a year in one place due to my mom's cancer .And doing this kept moisture from building up inside . Normally with just the cover mold would develop.I finally made my own for the inside windshield and both side windows with reflective between the layers .I use these for the times I am temporary parking and boondocking . Hobby lobby sells a rubber based material that is fantastic . Magnets are used in mine as well . The only color is beige on one side and white in the other .Which is what you usually buy already done . It serves as a safety issue .If one has to leave in a hurry it is more easily removed . And my takeoff is quicker .

  • @ksize3147
    @ksize3147 6 років тому +1

    Wow. Good info about the windshield and regular sunshades....

  • @tikilee7172
    @tikilee7172 6 років тому +2

    I have the Adco clear, which means there are built in screens. The vinyl rolls down at windows and windshield. This model is ordered year and make. Fits perfect.

  • @madeinmichigan6773
    @madeinmichigan6773 6 років тому +12

    You could use your wipers in a 9:00 position or any position except normal to hold it down better do the wind doesn't flop it around so much 😉

  • @toddramsay977
    @toddramsay977 6 років тому +1

    Yes I agree with others below. I use a white canvas paint tarp with Earth magnets. You can fold it to the right size, hold the bottom with the wipers and the top and sides with the magnets. It stays much cooler in my truck.

  • @steveharmon156
    @steveharmon156 6 років тому +2

    You are SO AWESOME Bob. I just ordered the 2524 for my 2017 Carado Axion, it has built in screens for x ventilation. Again, thank you so much!!!!!!!!

  • @mrsjohnson1743
    @mrsjohnson1743 6 років тому +1

    This video gave me the idea to custom-make one from reflectix for the outside of the window. Slight more R-value and less light would mean less heat. A few pieces of outdoor velcro &/or magnets glued to inside of reflectix would hold, I think

  • @carllarsen6234
    @carllarsen6234 6 років тому +1

    Bob, they also now make uv blocking windshield film now called 70 percent light transmitting that supposedly cuts 90 percent of the btu's coming through the windshield.. I'm gonna try it here in Houston.

  • @sweetbee2761
    @sweetbee2761 6 років тому +1

    This is great to use at home, work, shopping, etc so you don't enter a hot car

  • @lelandfields3783
    @lelandfields3783 Рік тому

    Thanks for the info.
    I bought one on Amazon for my 06 ford e350.
    Works perfect !

  • @valamonica
    @valamonica 6 років тому

    Bob, I just took delivery of the Windshield Cover for my 2003 Ford Class C. Very easy to put on by myself and the cab IS lighter. My Dad always said keep the heat off the outside. I ordered off your channel. Only $38.17 with tax. I think I can store it in the box it came in while traveling. Thank you so much for the suggestion 😍

  • @darlenecrone5585
    @darlenecrone5585 6 років тому

    I just want to say....Thank you !!

  • @thizizliz
    @thizizliz 6 років тому +1

    Wow, super affordable! And much easier installation than I would have guessed.

  • @mrj-charles6383
    @mrj-charles6383 3 роки тому

    I wish they carried these for my 09 Dodge Grand Caravan. I can use just a white tarp or that space blanket Bob showed to help out.

  • @valamonica
    @valamonica 6 років тому +1

    Than you all so much. This is timely for me as I’m heading out in my 2003 Four Winds Class C this weekend. It’s hot in the So Cal desert 🔥

  • @dannywatson1914
    @dannywatson1914 6 років тому +4

    i think i would try to follow the temps but i have never done a nomad life but i going to try before i die im 65 now

  • @lisabooker6405
    @lisabooker6405 6 років тому +1

    Thank you Bob!

  • @mackdickerson9322
    @mackdickerson9322 6 років тому +1

    looking good KC...........

  • @mathewrupp8568
    @mathewrupp8568 6 років тому

    I purchased the one with the window screens for my 2011 Chevy van. It fit fine and I run an ac between the seats with both front windows down, with an insulated curtain separating the back. I used it in the Missouri Ozarks and the back stayed nice and cool, while the front got warm but was it was well vented. I think I'm going to rig a small DC fan for one of the front window to increase air flow.

  • @Pack.Leader
    @Pack.Leader 6 років тому +24

    12:35, if you want to see them actually putting one on.

    • @ahm-erudeness7171
      @ahm-erudeness7171 6 років тому +1

      Bea, Honey dog and me 👌 excellent

    • @lindabeebe7065
      @lindabeebe7065 6 років тому +2

      Yes! Exactly. Too much blah, blah, blah. I want to see the product!

    • @Pack.Leader
      @Pack.Leader 6 років тому +2

      This is one reason why I don't really watch those live-stream videos until they're posted later on. Once posted, I can skip ahead to parts that interest me and not have to sit through the yackity yack yack yack. Bob can talk.

  • @mannys4036
    @mannys4036 6 років тому +1

    Great video; thank you Bob and & company!

  • @greeneyedggirl
    @greeneyedggirl 5 років тому

    I have one for my 2003 Ford E-350 and simply love it!!!

  • @rustyred459
    @rustyred459 6 років тому

    Cut a large paint tarp in half long ways and sew together.... then you can close in doors ..... little cheaper till you can afford to buy one that fits .... I also use an sun shield underneath this out side ....

  • @maine044
    @maine044 6 років тому

    We got an ADCO 2407 White Class C Ford cover on Amazon for $35. It has worked great during the heat we've had.

  • @kimsims9293
    @kimsims9293 6 років тому

    a good way to get magnets free. Buy a shower curtain liner at dollar tree for 1 dollar, it has aprox 10 magnets encased in the bottom , about the size of a nickle. ( they are srong magnets for their size) You can use curtain for lots of projects and get free magnets to boot.

  • @marilynbennett6483
    @marilynbennett6483 6 років тому

    The black side out on the sunshades is for during the winter. Black absorbs heat. The reflective side is what is used for summer heat.

  • @katcankan7129
    @katcankan7129 6 років тому +1

    Useful information again.

  • @mhend235
    @mhend235 6 років тому +1

    Good info! Great job with the filming and editing, KC. You are going to take Bob’s videos to a new level. Thanks!

    • @Dragonfly7189
      @Dragonfly7189 5 років тому

      I think KC is a very intelligent woman would like to see more of her in videos

  • @taradead
    @taradead 5 років тому

    great...and I just bought a nice reflective shield for the INSIDE of my windshield.

  • @torpedo1306
    @torpedo1306 6 років тому +1

    These are solid videos, but you really need to invest in some wireless mics for your guests.

  • @Zorazora1234
    @Zorazora1234 6 років тому +1

    Bob could you possibly do a video with the lady explaining visually her window set up. It sounds like she has more than one protector in her windshied. I have a Honda Element, desperate for window heat relief. Would luv a visual for the mosquito net also. If I don’t get a visual Im lost
    Appreciate all that you do..

  • @ThePyleDriver
    @ThePyleDriver 6 років тому +2

    Well now I'm going to have to make a custom one for my Jeep! :)

  • @johno6861
    @johno6861 6 років тому

    Use the cheap drop cloths from Harbor Freight, cut to size and sew. You can also use swimming pool nuddles to creat an air space to keep the body cooler, or if you are handy you can put a mister on them to keep them wet. You can also build a swamp cooler out of a cooler or a medical circulating cooler, with a hose coming through the floor from the shaded air under the van. I have a 20’ shuttle bus I really like, fits in any parking space, I can walk in it, is stealthy and are a really good price.

  • @justinevirtue1755
    @justinevirtue1755 6 років тому

    I got one for my '93 E-150. Called the product mgr at Adco. He was great. I sent pictures of my mirrors and he told me which one to get then ordered from Amazon. Highly recommend calling the mfg.

  • @guzzialfa
    @guzzialfa 6 років тому +1

    First search I did on Amazon turned up the Adco for the ProMaster. It's model 2524 but it's not $34, rather more expensive at $57.12 for Class C RAM ProMaster RV Motorhome. Considering it's just the windshield cover, shouldn't make any difference being an RV Motorhome or a ProMaster van. If I order it, I'll provide feedback for it as I have a reversible Weathertech ProMaster inside windshield cover for keeping heat out or in. Recently, I got the full window covers for inside R16 protection using magnets on all doors, windshield, sliding and rear doors all from Vanupgrades.com. Their main business is custom screen doors for Vans from ProMaster, Transits and Sprinters. While I didn't order those, the cut to fit window covers at R-16 made from Prodex and Reflectix making 1/4" covers more effective than Reflectix alone. All but can doors were a perfect fit. The door window covers we're way over size!

  • @hkulmn3720
    @hkulmn3720 3 роки тому

    Now they are available on Amazon for Transits & Promasters.

  • @Whocares.........
    @Whocares......... 6 років тому +1

    Thanks for that! Well done. Rox

  • @newtuber4freedom43
    @newtuber4freedom43 6 років тому +1

    Vantastic!! ♥️🚐🎞👍🏻

  • @CharityS-Minnesota
    @CharityS-Minnesota 6 років тому

    Thank you so much for this video! And looking around and this is exactly what I needed for my husbands F350 king ranch

  • @gracecallowayable
    @gracecallowayable 6 років тому +1

    Good info!!!👠🚌👠

  • @avocado3748
    @avocado3748 5 років тому

    I always learn new things from you Bob.

  • @GeorgePencilArt
    @GeorgePencilArt 6 років тому

    If I have to start out in a family van or SUV, maybe I could cut one of those to size and sew a bit... Would take some work, but might be worth it! I can see if I didn't do that, ther'd be way too much material flapping around in the wind. :)

  • @beetlebailey
    @beetlebailey 6 років тому

    I highly suggest a cover called HEAT SHIELD - GOLD SERIES. They make them for all my 2017 Ram 3500 windows and on my KENWORTH T680

    • @taradead
      @taradead 5 років тому

      Heatshield go on the inside of the windshield. I know because I just bought some (they do work well thought...hope windshield doesn't crack).

  • @creaturefeaturepetsittingl3579
    @creaturefeaturepetsittingl3579 6 років тому

    Thanks Bob...bought one right away!

  • @cathymiller3086
    @cathymiller3086 4 роки тому

    Thank you so much for taking the time to share!🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

  • @lamarrharding4776
    @lamarrharding4776 Рік тому

    I ALSO cover the windshield so that I don't have to scrape ice or snow!

  • @snooks73
    @snooks73 6 років тому +3

    That was excellent information and you saved me a lot of time. I've been looking for a cover for a Promaster ever since I saw an earlier video of yours. I did find a more expensive cover at EuroCampers.com. It's almost twice as expensive but claims to be marine grade. Delivery is about 4 weeks. I'll reply to this comment once I've tried it out and comment on whether it's worth the price difference. Thank you for your service to your fellow travelers. I hope to join y'all soon.

    • @thom_lester
      @thom_lester 6 років тому

      thumbs up on the covers available from EC. My wife and I have a set on our 2017 PM. High quality (and as you mentioned...high price!)

  • @livefreeordie4850
    @livefreeordie4850 6 років тому +1

    Cool

  • @55197A
    @55197A 6 років тому

    Great job Bob. Thanks for the info. Wish I could find something for my gums truck.

  • @freedomfred6518
    @freedomfred6518 6 років тому +1

    Good video, thanks for making it.

  • @debicaron6046
    @debicaron6046 6 років тому +1

    Thanks..great info as usual..getting one of these..

  • @g.cosper8306
    @g.cosper8306 6 років тому +1

    Great demo

  • @lindalanasa1437
    @lindalanasa1437 6 років тому +1

    Bob I am concerned about the future of and safety of public lands because certain current events, should I be?.

  • @luvcats778
    @luvcats778 6 років тому +1

    Thanks for the info, another great video

  • @jamesking4308
    @jamesking4308 6 років тому +1

    Gotta try this! Thanks for the info :)

  • @tonyruiz2390
    @tonyruiz2390 6 років тому +1

    That's cool

  • @chantellenew2331
    @chantellenew2331 6 років тому

    They do have for pro master. I found them. God bless.🚙

  • @linasbildusas3843
    @linasbildusas3843 6 років тому

    Great idea,and inexpensive!

  • @coppertopvon
    @coppertopvon 6 років тому +1

    As the guy said the heat builds up btwn glass & shade, does it still buildup if a window is cracked open...just curious if this applies to cars with the tin foil looking fold up style as well....

  • @stevegunderson9795
    @stevegunderson9795 6 років тому +2

    Great info, thank you! Do you have any videos on how to best do window screen on a SUV so you can keep the windows down on hot nights or day without getting bugs in...thank you, love your channel

    • @noreenn6976
      @noreenn6976 6 років тому +1

      Steve Gunderson - he has an older video where he shows his adco cover and screen, sorry cant recall the name of the video, he uses magnets to attach screen to the van.

    • @jbaux84
      @jbaux84 6 років тому

      He mentioned in video #1 that he would be making a video on how to make your own window screens...so stay tuned 😊👍🏻

  • @CFL641
    @CFL641 6 років тому

    Same thing has happened to my Jeep... Wow..

  • @mattinthehat22
    @mattinthehat22 6 років тому +1

    Great demo! Nice outro music, too - seems I’ve heard that somewhere before... choose freedom. One question, tho: are those covers washable?

  • @fancy3907
    @fancy3907 6 років тому +1

    Hey Bob, I just was wondering if you could tell us where could we could find the magnets you use to help hold your windshield cover?

  • @debralewis3864
    @debralewis3864 6 років тому

    Great info as always. I had heard that to receive the greatest shade coverage on a vehicle is to park it with it with its head west. Comments?

    • @noreenn6976
      @noreenn6976 6 років тому

      Debra Lewis - I've heard that too, interested to hear the rationale of facing windshield west versus north.

    • @thisspotrules3631
      @thisspotrules3631 6 років тому +1

      Noreen N parking nose north, you will get sunlight spill for the full amount am/ pm track. Nose west will be shaded untill later pm tracking when the sun is lower in the horizon.

    • @noreenn6976
      @noreenn6976 6 років тому +1

      ThisSpotRules! - thanks for your reply! Appreciate the information!

  • @Gena59
    @Gena59 4 роки тому

    The one for Ford is now $39.28 after tax on Amazon

  • @sunshinedayz2172
    @sunshinedayz2172 6 років тому +1

    I wonder if this would fit my GMC 1500 side step truck?

  • @cheath1018
    @cheath1018 6 років тому

    i have a ford 1981

  • @cathycahoe6888
    @cathycahoe6888 6 років тому +1

    When are you going to show us inside your up dated van

  • @dejonsmall9886
    @dejonsmall9886 6 років тому

    Bob my man, does RV Covers make a cover for cars? I'd like one for my car and Truck. Due to my schedule please don't ever delete your videos. I've made a folder to store this series so I can watch them all at once. Before I forget, did you do a vid of your top conversion? Keep it up, you are the man. I'm starting to unsubscribe from all the poor butts doing RV Vids.. You remain #1 for me....

  • @BrittMFH
    @BrittMFH 6 років тому +1

    Nice! TFS ❤️

  • @IraQNid
    @IraQNid 5 років тому

    Do you suggest magnetic bars like strips? If so would that be flexible or rigid? I would think the magnetic strips would hold out against the wind getting under these covers, be as easy to store, be easier to use with fewer pieces to attach or remove.

  • @magdawise1886
    @magdawise1886 6 років тому +2

    If you leave it on during the rain does it leak where the straps go over the doors?

  • @Scott_B1029
    @Scott_B1029 6 років тому

    They're available for the Promaster, but hard to find on Amazon.

  • @Just2HepCats
    @Just2HepCats 6 років тому +1

    Does anyone know if leaving the window down only a bit would help as well?? Thankx in advance

  • @TinyHomeCookingwithSherlei
    @TinyHomeCookingwithSherlei Місяць тому

    I can’t find the link for a Chevy windshield cover

  • @thomashoward7909
    @thomashoward7909 6 років тому

    Hi Bob , I have a 1982 Kingston midas rv with with the old style mirrors, do you think I could find a cover for the windshied and side windows?

  • @lansean9
    @lansean9 5 років тому

    Any chance of you using BOTH the vinyl and the Reflexis, but put the Reflexis under the vinyl, but OVER the windshield, using the vinyl as a paperweight on the Reflexis? That seems to cure both issues.

  • @jas71188
    @jas71188 6 років тому

    QUESTION: If you just use the Reflectix at NIGHT for privacy, that shouldn't be a problem, right? I don't plan to use one I just ordered during the day OR while it's parked under a carport.......wish I'd known about this before buying Reflectix

  • @GaryParks
    @GaryParks 6 років тому +1

    Bob, how did your ceramic tinting on the windshield workout for cooling? I'm just curious if that helps to keep the heat down. I'm sure this external cover works better. Just looking at getting my car windows tinted and wondering if the windshield is worth tinting with a clear or lite tint.

    • @hb5914
      @hb5914 10 місяців тому

      Ceramic tint is superior to standard tint in reflecting UV light and sun glare. I would find out what your state’s/counties rules are regarding maximum tint. Then tint up to or under your state’s/counties and states you will be camping/vacationing in to find out what the legal tint limits are before having it applied. Because Law Enforcement Agencies are able to measure tint at roadside stops and you may be written a ticket or fined some other way if it is too dark.

  • @johnwren3976
    @johnwren3976 4 роки тому

    2411 Dodge Ram Van 1500-3500 1998-2003

  • @henrysrvlife6458
    @henrysrvlife6458 6 років тому

    Looks great but can you get one for a Chav Silverado pick up?

  • @parksguy3018
    @parksguy3018 6 років тому

    Another excellent video Bob. I have a 2000 dodge 3500 van, do they make one to fit it?

  • @daisymae3511
    @daisymae3511 6 років тому

    Cannot find any to fit our van. Nissan NV 2500 Cargo Van... 😊

  • @carolkeener995
    @carolkeener995 6 років тому

    We utilize our pickup truck bed area as a camper (with cap). How do I find one that will fit pickups?

  • @irstill1
    @irstill1 6 років тому

    is there one available for VW Vanagons??

  • @einnockate
    @einnockate 3 роки тому

    Do they fit/ make them for minivans?

  • @vanadee1618
    @vanadee1618 6 років тому

    I know you try to keep things cheap; but I think the sell price is kinda of low. $50.00 would be a better price point for the quality and design. I just priced myself out of affording one; but honestly this is sweet.

  • @zekehooper
    @zekehooper 6 років тому

    I have a Nissian truck, wonder what would fit that?

  • @janineivey03121
    @janineivey03121 4 роки тому

    Do they also work for SUV?

  • @crispjon
    @crispjon 6 років тому

    Great information, great guy a bit long winded, 3 minutes of info drug out for 15

  • @000MACK000
    @000MACK000 6 років тому

    Okay I have a 1991 Class B G30 Chevy which one do I get?

  • @robertmycroft8268
    @robertmycroft8268 6 років тому +1

    What, no RAM...?

  • @safari338
    @safari338 6 років тому

    Anything for a Vanagon?

  • @adventurebythemile
    @adventurebythemile 6 років тому

    I have a sub. Can you cut to ffit?

  • @gerard9128
    @gerard9128 6 років тому +12

    Bob you almost completely ignored the lady and spoke and faced your friend , im a gentlemen in my upper 70s and surprised at your inattentive , she needed more help with her situation and should have been more considerate. I noticed theis about alot your videos that when you chat with more then one person you speak with them your tendency is to focus on one as opposed as to keep both in the conversation

    • @gerard9128
      @gerard9128 6 років тому +1

      yes as a woman thats different one on one but because he talks on woman one on one is different then when others along with him thats my opinion i been watching him for years i mostly enjoy his videos but just telling it like i see sorry we all have our opinions

    • @yunggolem4687
      @yunggolem4687 6 років тому +4

      Or he was talking to the guy that introduced him to the covers and knew the most about them.

    • @martywilsonlife
      @martywilsonlife 6 років тому +3

      Yes, in this case, he did indeed ignore her a bit. He's usual really good about these things. I met him and also watched him speak in large crowds and he was better than most men (in regards to how they tend to avoid bringing women into the conversation). Although I am very fond of Bob and all he has done for many folks (women and men alike), I find this observation to be excellent. ' Just a little more effort and he'll be perfect.

    • @sesolar5854
      @sesolar5854 6 років тому +7

      Gerard and Marty,
      For someone like Bob who likes living and being alone on the road I don't believe for a second that Bob intentionally leaves anyone out of the conversation. Think about it - this self proclaimed loaner has come out to provide online video content to a worldwide audience and is helping others without bias in my eyes. He is trying to convey message in a very short time and cover the information thoroughly. If anything he may get a bit distracted trying to remember and cover every detail. He's become a UA-cam sensation in the past couple years, like it or not, and I think he will never be the polished journalist people may think he should be but he gets the message out and is handling his newfound stardom gracefully and as best he can. I applaud Bob for all he does and I hope to meet up with him someday on the road and say thanks.
      You have your opinions as we all do and obviously you are fans or you wouldn't be here offering advice. I acknowledge all opinions and hope you see reason to let Bob adjust to his new full time job of documenting Freedom on the road. May we all have a great life!
      Cheers from NC

    • @martywilsonlife
      @martywilsonlife 6 років тому +2

      Of course, it wasn't intentional and good point about the 'being alone' lifestyle. I'm hoping that I don't make things worse, because Bob is the greatest, but for B.R. to say that it's ok because the 'guy introduced him to the covers and was more important' is very short-sighted. If the gal was of no use to the conversation, Bob should not have included her. Seriously, again Bob really is a wonderful, wonderful person... 'just taking a moment to turn his attention towards her (indeed in a very conscious manner), he would have been practicing 'Interviewing 101.' Btw, I tend to notice these types of things a lot. I don't think I am negative per se, but I literally will keep a keen eye on interactions by business associates, customer service personnel, etc. I have found that the tendency is for most men to feel uncomfortable fascilitating an open and equal exchange with the women in the group. I think Gerard made a good point without malice. It's just a slight tweaking of the interviewing process, while keeping in mind the foibles of many other men currently in this society. Bob has raised the barre in SO many wonderful ways... the world is a far richer place due to his many efforts to be of service.